Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Good evening. Welcome to the June 15th Planning Commission meeting. If all commissioners would please mute your microphone until it's your turn to speak, that would be appreciated. Members of the public can join this meeting online on any PC, Mac, or other device. You can access the meeting online at the city's website, woodbury.gov. Public can ask questions and provide comments online. Members of the public, can join this meeting online on any, nothing better than hearing your own voice back to you. Can ask questions or provide comments online during the meeting by using the link to the virtual meeting to join. Submit your questions via the question and answer feature within the meeting. Please include your name and address when submitting a question or comment. You also have the option of asking any questions you have regarding this meeting during regular business hours at City Hall. For members of the public that are here in person and would wish to speak on a topic in person on the agenda, please fill out one of the yellow forms at the back of the room, provide that sheet to staff. All questions online and in person will be called on after the project in reference is presented. With that, we will call the meeting to order. Dan, can you do the roll, please? Thank you, Chair. Marsha Kennedy?

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John Collin? Here. Here. Stephanie Swanson.

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Shay C. Brooks.

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Jacob Guzik.

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Giselle Parnell.

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Rian Halole.

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Soren Shah.

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And Jim Gentile. Chair, we have a quorum.

Thank you, Dan. One item on the agenda for this evening, that is the Bailey Properties Master Plan, project number 19-2025-00603. And Eric, I believe you are presenting this plan.

Thank you, Chair. The City of Woodbury has conducted a master plan for the property located to the north of Bailey Road. This is the Bailey Holdings. Those holdings are approximately 185 acres of land, again, north of Bailey Road and just to the west of the existing New Life Academy site. Master plans are required for properties that are above 100 acres in size or if it's a part of an opening of a development phase or sub phase. So in this case, the Bailey Holdings are above the 100 acre threshold, which necessitates the need for a master plan. CITY HAS SUCCESSFULLY UTILIZED MASTER PLANS TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. SOME OF THOSE ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CERTAINLY FAMILIAR WITH THE DALE ROAD AND COTISH ROAD DRIVE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY HAS USED IT AS PART OF OUR TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AS PART OF THE GOLD LINE. THE SOUTH OF DALE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA, THAT WAS IN ADVANCE OF OPENING UP OF SUB PHASE 2C AND 2D. THE URBAN VILLAGE AREA, THE URBAN VILLAGE IS THE WEST SIDE OF RADIO DRIVE, SOUTH SIDE OF BAILEY, THAT'S SHOWN IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER. And going all the way back to the area where we are right now, which is the city center area back to 1982. So again, the city has been well served by utilizing master plans. The purposes of this master plan is to focus on the areas that are on the screen, and I'll briefly walk through those components. They were also highlighted within the Planning Commission staff report, but the area of stormwater management, a connection from a pedestrian and greenway corridor standpoint, focusing on some architectural themes, and there will be some modifications that are recommended out of the master plan for changes to the comprehensive plan. I'll begin with the stormwater management approach. The graphic on the screen in the red boxes highlight the two areas of regional ponds. The reason for the regional pond is an effective and efficient way to handle the stormwater for the proposed development areas versus the alternative, which could be multiple smaller stormwater ponds on each individual development site. As part of the development of this site, the regional ponds in this regional pond, I should say, will be developed up front as part of the initial infrastructure improvements. The latter in the northern regional pond would be graded and built as part of the low density residential development, which is not anticipated to be in the first phase of this project. The overall southern regional pond would provide stormwater management for all of the areas, this southern area, as well as provide stormwater management for future expansions to Bailey Road. Another focus area was the pedestrian and Greenway corridors. You can see a very dedicated connection point to Carver Lake Park to the north, including the east-west Greenway corridor along the north property, also Greenway corridors along the eastern property line tying back into the Century Road corridor, which The graphic doesn't show very clearly. We will update that as it moves to a final master plan, but there are pedestrian infrastructure improvements proposed on both sides of Century Avenue that will link a lot of these pedestrian movements through the site. So very high quality connectivity through the different uses that are proposed within this master plan. The architectural themes are an area as we, as the previous graphic shows, there's a number of different uses proposed here, commercial, more retail uses, light industrial office, sorry, light industrial, industrial type uses, high density residential, whether that's an apartment format or a townhome format. The medium density is anticipated more of a townhome format. So it was important to look at architectural themes to bring all of these projects together, the different land uses, the different categories together for continuity purposes. So the master plan contemplates some material pallets. How that will be implemented is some of the first projects that will be in front of the planning commission will set the tone and we'll see some of those carried on as the projects move forward to really create a sense of place in BROADER 185 ACRES. ALSO IN PART OF THE OF THE MASTER PLAN IS A MODIFICATION TO LAND USE TO SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRES BY NEW LIFE ACADEMY. WHEN THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THIS WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED, THIS ACQUISITION. SO REALLY FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE EXISTING 2040 PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 40 ACRES OF MIXED USE AREA, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HOUSING AS WELL AS retail uses, what's being shown now is just really those uses spreading and wrapping the acquisition from New Life Academy. So no net increase in the amount of mixed use is proposed, but would accommodate that expansion. New Life Academy's current campus is located directly to the east. The other recommendation that will not occur with the project approval, but instead will be looked at as part of the work done by our TASK FORCE FOR THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS EVALUATING AND ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDING THE FINAL MOVEMENT FROM PLACES TO WORK TO LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROJECT AREA. AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, THERE'S ALSO THE REGIONAL PONDING. YOU'LL ALSO SEE CENTURY AVENUE IS SHOWN CURRENTLY TO CONNECT to the north in through Maplewood and Ramsey County through that area. Our existing 2040 comprehensive plan does identify the extension of Century Avenue. This will be an area that will also be reviewed as part of the 2050 plan on whether that connection continues to occur. It is shown within the master plan, but we do anticipate further review of that connection as part of the 2050 plan. And with that, staff recommends the Planning Commission recommend the City Council adopt the Bailey-West Master Plan. It is important to note a neighborhood meeting was held on two separate occasions. was last fall, which was actually put on by the City of Newport because of the surrounding development, but those in close proximity from Woodbury were invited to that. That was last fall. And the project, from a Woodbury standpoint, had a neighborhood meeting on May 11th with approximately 40 attendees. There were general questions regarding the timing of the development, the details of the Greenway corridor, preservation of existing VEGETATION QUESTIONS ON WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL USES THE ANTICIPATED TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CERTAINLY ALSO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT EXTENSION OF CENTURY AVENUE WAS ALSO HEARD AT THAT MAY 11TH MEETING AND AGAIN WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN.

Thank you, Eric. I do have two yellow sheets, so I want to invite those folks to come up and speak or ask your question. First is Janelle. Come on up to the podium, please. If you could just state your name and your city and state that you live in, that'd be great.

Hi, can you hear me okay? Yes. Hi, I'm Janelle Erickson. I live on Century Avenue South. I pay taxes in both Maplewood and Woodbury, and... I grew up there, I bought the house that I grew up in, so I've been on Century Avenue for a very, very long time, and recently found out about all of this, so here I am. I am asking the commission to continue to explore alternatives to extending Century Avenue South. I'm sure all of you have enjoyed Carver Lake Park, or if not, I hope you have, and know that that is a very windy, small farm road that was really never intended to be kind of a main thoroughfare. It's already very challenging for pedestrians and cyclists. There's very little separation between the road and the lake, properties, driveways, etc. Not a lot of room for a sidewalk, and in fact, sometimes only one foot. A lot of blind curves, a lot of low visibility, a lot of cars in ditches, especially in the winter. I just want to share something that happened literally yesterday. It was a beautiful day. There were a lot of people going up to the park to use it. I was outside working in my yard, and three maybe 12-year-old boys rode by on their bicycles. And as they were going up the road on one of those very narrow paths, a huge truck came flying down Century Avenue, that big hill from the park, speeding, as many people do, literally ran one of them off the road. One of the kids, it was so close to hitting them, one of the kids fell off his bike, tumbled down very steep, ditch into my neighbor's yard. The truck swerved and just kept going. I tried to get a license plate number. I couldn't get it. It was so scary. Thankfully, there was only some scrapes, but it was very scary. And literally 10 minutes before that, there was another family biking along the same path of two little girls. And I don't know if it would have had the same outcome. So anyway, it This is all happening before any of the traffic considerations are happening. I see that it's a dotted line coming from Century Avenue, where Carver Avenue is, and that, Eric, you said that still, you're still looking at that as you're developing your new plan. Please, for the sake of the people, like so many cyclists go up there, so many people, fishermen walk up there, they park and cross the street there to go and fish. Please consider not extending that just for the safety of everyone, both that live there and also use the park. Yeah, I think that's it. Thank you for your time and consideration and thanks for allowing public comment and keep using that beautiful park where I worked in high school. I can do to work, it was great. Yeah, thank you.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Also, Johnny. Again, if you could just state your name and city and state for the record, that'd be great.

Yes, Johnny Dime. I live at 1211 Century Avenue South and that's in Maplewood. Just wanna reiterate some of the things that Janelle said. I guess start out with a little backstory too. So we actually purchased our home in the height of COVID and made the offer from across country without seeing the house. Looked on a map and our house is directly between two parks. And we thought this is like, no matter what is going on with the house, perfect property. We're super excited about it. And what we've learned in the four years of living there is that we've never felt so far away from a park just because there's no safe way to access the park. I know that we're Maplewood, Ramsey County, you guys are Woodbury here, but we have significant concerns about continuing the road through. So ultimately, we love the paths in Woodbury. We go biking through Woodbury all the time. You guys do a really awesome job. We've talked with Maplewood and Ramsey County about what they plan on doing, if you guys do continue this through. And it's been a little wishy-washy. I know that you guys meet with them, and I appreciate that. I think our biggest thing is we want to make sure that you guys continue working with our city and make sure that it's done safely. So... You know, we see in the plan, you know, there's businesses. I know these are separate topics you could get into, but, you know, we see that there's business parks. You know, we have concern of, you know, trucks going down our street. You know, any increase in traffic we don't really feel comfortable with. And, you know, between two parks, we got the wildlife park. And we have power lines, so it really makes a narrow area to be able to fit, you know, the road and pedestrian path through. So I know Janelle mentioned, you know, we have tight turns and hills, varying speed limits. And you know who likes, you know, those varying conditions is race cars and motorcycles. And every year we're finding vehicles in the ditches. In the winter every year there's been abandoned vehicles just because it's a valley and there's no way to get out of it when the road is icy. I think the grade is like a 12 grade. It's pretty steep. And then specifically there was a neighbor that did get hit and nearly killed when he was in his mailbox just because it's such blind corners. As you can see, I have a daughter and we did go walking once into Cover Lake Park and there were two cars that raced in both lanes of traffic. and came right at us in a corner. And we had to throw this, you know, with her in it, we had to jump into the shoulder, you know, off of the road to be able to prevent us from getting hit. And it's just, it's just too many of those. And we want to make sure there isn't any more. And certainly we want to make sure that there's less. So, you know, in closing, you know, We really want to make sure that you guys are working with, you know, all the municipalities and, you know, continue seeking this feedback. We really appreciate it. You know, just happy to chat with any of you guys. I know, Eric, we've chatted with you, too, and you've been very open, and we appreciate that. So thank you all for the opportunity to comment.

Thank you, Johnny. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm sure this will come up with the other commissioners. So just, I know there was a specific question there, but Eric, can you just maybe for the, in light of the comments, just talk a little bit more about like the specific process that we would go through to evaluate the improvements for Century Avenue. I know in the packet, it talks about some of the extensions and sidewalks and trails and some of that infrastructure would build up around that. But what does that process look like for citizens?

Yeah, I think this graphic shows kind of the timing when it becomes more ripe. The phase one, as I alluded to, for Century Avenue and whether that is a county road or a city road is going to generally for phase one be built to this location. The connection point would be as part of what's determined as a later phase and the master plan contemplates that that would be reviewed. NOT ONLY THE LAND USE BUT ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS THROUGH THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LENS WHICH WOULD MEAN SOMETIME IN LATE 2028 THAT WOULD BE INTO 27 AND 2028 THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF THE NEEDS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS AS PART OF THAT WE WOULD WORK AND CONTINUE TO WORK AS the speaker commented on, we have been having regular dialogues with the city of Newport and the city of Maplewood as part of the development of this area. In fact, we meet weekly with those teams and have for several months and we'll continue to do so as more information is known about the need for those roadways and those will be studied as part of the updating of our transportation chapters within the 2050 plan. And so as we are making any recommendations or finalizing, there would be a public engagement process that would be open to residents within the corridor, and we would actively pursue their feedback. Okay.

I'm gonna go ahead and open it up to other commissioners for questions that you might have, and we're gonna start with Commissioner Guzik.

Thank you, Chair. First question is for staff, a little bit of my own ignorance, I guess, but with this master plan, if you could help explain what, you know, obviously we have the land use and we have the zoning, what kind of things are enforceable per se, or what can we expect if this were to be approved? Like how stuck are you within this?

Master plans are a guiding document, so they certainly do establish policy direction. They are adopted by resolution by the city council, and any project that is requesting a PUD through the city must be consistent with that master plan. We are... certainly working with the market as we create these plans but there will be modifications just as was seen on the previous master plans that as the users come in there will be specific needs that will then be evaluated against this but the idea is these master plans set a a tone and they set kind of the guidelines if you will to work under in this case in every master plan is a little different some of the things that were really important were shown on those previous slides things about how do we connect to carver park how do we look at some of there's a fair amount of land use diversity here so how do we make sure that aesthetically that that all comes together um the integration of the sports area facilities and the layering in the multifamily around that area was another nuanced and unique part of this master planning effort but overall as you can see for instance this commercial area there is some level of patterning that you're gonna that you're seeing here that is not regulatory there likely will look much different as part of that but the important part that the master plan looks to do is identify that there will be pedestrian connectivity through that commercial area it will connect to century it'll connect to bailey road as part of those future development areas and the uses overall are intended to be retail FOR INSTANCE.

THAT WAS HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I GUESS KNOWING THAT, I DID HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THE COMMERCIAL AREA, FOR EXAMPLE. I GUESS IN PART OF THE PLAN ON PAGE 24 OF THE MASTER PLAN, IT SAYS, Parking lots with street frontage should be minimized where they occur, landscaping and other screening devices are encouraged. Because I felt like the commercial area had parking lots fronting that street instead of, I was thinking more like with that statement looking more like Woodbury Lakes area instead of kind of all in their own parking lot island kind of thing.

Yeah, so I think one of the things that this plan identifies is kind of a double loaded commercial frontage and really you're seeing that orientation. I think the direction of the master plan is where feasible you would bring some of these Bailey Road buildings to be much more present along the roadway and try to shield some of those parking areas by those building design areas. We also want to put our best architectural foot forward on some of these projects. So again, until we know the final user, are they backs of buildings, are they sides of buildings? We want to make sure that we're being mindful of that as well as part of the ultimate architectural design.

Another question I had was, what do we know about the Newport's land there and what's being planned?

So it's our understanding that the area that I'm circling here is a light industrial building that the area to the south of the area and this is likely one of the first projects is a quick trip gas station. So that's on the west side of Century Avenue. FURTHER TO THE WEST IS A HIGHER DENSITY AFFORDABLE PROJECT THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPER OF THAT IS REAL ESTATE EQUITIES THEY'RE THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT IS DOING ONE OF OUR AFFORDABLE PROJECTS IN THE NORTHEAST AREA TO THE EAST OF SETLERS RIDGE AND SOUTH OF HUDSON ROAD THE CARON DRIVE APARTMENTS SO SAME USER THERE AND THEN BACK TO SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF NEWPORT to implement again some architectural continuity even within their city. So it's not obviously covered under our master plan because we don't have any jurisdiction there, but we have been working with their team to, at the end of the day when this development occurs over the next several years, hopefully there's continuity whether it's a project in Newport or Woodbury. So we've been working closely with them.

And then with Century Avenue extension, I noticed we're showing 120-foot right-of-way, and then there's a typical section here. I guess how set in stone is that? I know there was the extension study done, and based on that, I also read that they're following the Washington County's comp plan and what the recommended right of way was. But also Washington County's comp plan said if it was more of an urban section, it could be 100 foot right of way. I was wondering how set in stone that is

Yeah, we right now are being fairly conservative on the right-of-way and it has not had project impacts. The reason for that is to ensure that if ultimately this connects to the existing Century Avenue that that becomes a county roadway versus the city of Woodbury maintained and owned roadway. So we are being very deliberate to meeting all of the Washington County design standards, including right-of-way widths, access management, distances, They've been very involved in the design aspects, for instance, at the intersection of the future century and Bailey Road to ensure that those meet all county standards as well. Whether or not that will ultimately come to fruition will be seen in the future, but we didn't want to have a design challenge be the reason that it ultimately ended up being a city versus county road.

If possible, I would like to see boulevard trees along Central Avenue between the trail and the roadway, and not just the double row on the outside. I don't know if that's a county thing or something.

That is a county standard, but as we get more information, and if ultimately there is a determination that it's not ultimately a county function, then the city requirements do allow plantings within the right of way. Okay.

The only other thing I had, I really like the greenway and the trails, and there's a lot of sidewalks, which is good. The only thing is I did notice we had a couple, like on sheet 11, where it says private drive, no sidewalk or trail. Because my recommendation would be to have Anywhere there's a private drive to have a sidewalk or trail so that is more walkable. I think we've done a great job of some recreational trails and stuff, but making it more connected and walkable is a place you wanna stroll. You can come to that commercial area and go to one spot and then walk to the next instead of hopping in your car and parking in a new spot would be something I would like to see.

Yeah, I think one of the areas that we will be looking at closer, and I'm guessing, Commissioner, you're looking at in the commercial area, one of the things that we're where we do show that sidewalk is kind of north-south. And again, as alluded to, there would also be connection back to Bailey. That's a little incomplete right now. So the thought was to have a north-south movement versus this is a fairly active, anticipated to be a fairly active vehicle movement that we wanted to protect people from being in conflict with. That's why we did not layer a east-west pedestrian movement through here versus just kind of forcing the north-south and the spines on the north. And this road and Bailey Road would provide that east-west movement for users ultimately. The secondary road, some of these areas here and ultimately through this site, we do anticipate that there will be some level of trails through the new life as that gets formalized, but it is private property and not public, so we didn't want to... UNNECESSARILY HAVE PUBLIC MOVING THROUGH THESE SPACES. WE WANTED IT TO BE MORE DELIBERATE MOVEMENTS ALONG CENTURY AND THEN INTERNAL TO THE APARTMENT SITES. THOSE WERE THE BALANCE POINTS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. BECAUSE IT IS ONE OWNER RIGHT NOW BESIDES THE NEW LIFE PARCEL, IS IT ANTICIPATED THAT THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THE THAT WHOLE MIXED USE AREA? SO THE COMMERCIAL HIGH DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY, IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT WOULD BE ALL UNDER ONE DEVELOPER OR WOULD IT GET SPLIT UP?

IT'S ANTICIPATED IT WILL BE MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS, MULTIPLE PROJECTS. REALLY EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WILL PROBABLY BE THEIR OWN WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION. Commercial would be likely an overall commercial developer, retail developer, high density on its own, and then this would be a separate, the medium density would likely be a separate, unless a significantly larger player came in that's not currently in discussions.

Okay, one last comment would be on the pedestrian crossings at intersections on page 13. I do think within the City of Woodbury's safe systems approach plan, I don't know if we've adopted, I don't think we've ever adopted complete streets per se, but I think it would be prudent to have more curb extensions or bump outs or pedestrian refuge islands, potentially raise crosswalks on the city-owned streets, could make that more pedestrian friendly.

we will certainly take a look at that as part of the movement from the draft plan to the final plan. Thank you. No further questions.

Thank you. Commissioner Kennedy, you're up next.

Thank you, Chair. Eric, a quick question about the Newport section. The quick trip, is that the what there was such passionate discussion in the fall in the Newport, okay.

It was, there's a lot of excitement within the community for that project.

Yeah, and the only concern was for the traffic, I think, especially of trucks and such delivering things. Yeah, I know they worked that out among themselves.

Correct.

And so that would be, I think, as long as that's settled and that's across from or attached to the commercial section that we're proposing.

That's correct. Okay.

All right. And then a quick question about the New Life section of this now, which is really driving the train, I think, on this whole revamp for the master plan, which makes good sense because it's connected to the New Life Academy right now. The parking. Is there, because the sports fields are so like an accordion with the parking and the traffic, et cetera, I'm sure you've thought of this. I'm sure it'll get shaken out when that happens, but where is the parking in that particular structure, do you know?

Yeah, there is a number of different parking locations that are identified for the New Life site, some to the south, some to the west, and then closer to these field areas. So there's multiple different areas. And that is a best practice as you look, unfortunately, and we've certainly learned this at the Sports Center, people will park in close proximity to the field in which they're going to be at. So really taking that to heart and trying to create nodes in close proximity versus a large multi-purpose field where people will BE RELUCTANT, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, THIS IS A 30 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO THERE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WALK DISTANCE. IN A PERFECT WORLD, THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE UTILIZATION OF THE EXISTING PARKING AT THE CHURCH AND ACADEMY SITE, BUT IN REALITY, THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE SEE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE IT BUTTS UP INTO THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, SO I GUESS THEY'LL WORK IT OUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. And then the landscaping, I was pleased to see so much green focus on that, and I appreciate your focus, Commissioner Guzik, on that. As many trees, et cetera, we don't want to be a concrete jungle. And I think the focus, is the focus, as you were looking at this, with the residential, which has more opportunity than a commercial area to provide that. And then of course, I mean, the sports academy has the fields, not necessarily trees and bushes and things, but.

Yeah, I think that's a very fair summary and I think what's not and it's purposely not a part of the master plan is some of the internal landscaping that will be present. The master plan's really looking at the outside edge as part of whether it's the residential use or the commercial use. There'll be increased landscaping internal to those sites as well.

And that's a developer by developer contribution too? That's right. Okay. Focusing on the transmission line there, I know when that was mixed use, there's a strong feeling sometimes in the residential areas about that. It's got a park area there in the upper corner, which I think is good. No one wants to live right underneath that. And it's a low-density residential there, which means there will be more space and such around homes and and those kinds of buildings. Any thoughts from the neighborhood meetings on that?

No significant feedback received from the transmission line aspect. I think positive feedback regarding utilization of that for trail connectivity and some of those comments. What we've experienced when we moved into the area south of Bailey Road in our start of phase two, the areas Ashton Ridge, Bailey Lake subdivisions, there's large power lines that run through that portion. We were concerned that that would have a significant market impact for the development of those areas. And that concern did not come to fruition. The market saw not every buyer, certainly some buyers were not, but many buyers saw it as open space, significant open space in the rear of their property. So there is a fair amount of power line corridors within Southern Woodbury and TODAY IT HAS NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE DEVELOPABILITY OF PROPERTIES FROM A MARKET ACCEPTANCE STANDPOINT.

I GUESS IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE SITTING. AND THEN THE TRAIL BETWEEN NEW LIFE AND SOMETHING I WROTE I CAN'T READ, BUT I THINK THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THE ACADEMY. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ONE PROPERTY. I'M SURE THEY ALL HAVE MOVEMENT THERE. No street, they really have to cross there. Is there, is that all?

Really more of the, yeah, there's a driveway connection between these two uses, so this private drive will extend through into the existing parking lot within that area, but there will also be some connection that's going to ultimately occur between the two campuses.

Okay, that's what I wondered, especially with the wetlands in that new area there. And that's all I have. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Commissioner Swanson.

Thank you. My first question is about Century Avenue. Are there improvement plans for north of this project going through the county section at all?

There are not any improvement plans that are currently identified by either Ramsey, Washington, or the municipalities.

For the proposed extension, would the county or the city be in charge of the tree species selection?

TREE SPECIES SELECTION ALONG CENTURY?

YEAH, ON THE EXTENSION THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN. WOULD IT FOLLOW THE TEN TREES THAT ARE LISTED IN HERE?

YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE PLANTED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA MORE THAN THE ROADWAY NETWORK.

OKAY. SO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE TREES, THERE ARE TEN TREE SPECIES PROPOSED, ONE OF WHICH IS AN EVERGREEN. ONLY ONE OF WHICH IS AN EVERGREEN. ONLY ONE OF WHICH IS AN EVERGREEN. I'M SURE I'M NOT PRONOUNCING I'M SURE I'M NOT PRONOUNCING THIS RIGHT. THIS RIGHT. THUJA GREEN GIANT IS THE ONLY THUJA GREEN GIANT IS THE ONLY EVERGREEN OUT OF THESE TEN EVERGREEN OUT OF THESE TEN OPTIONS. OPTIONS. AND SO I WAS CURIOUS IF ON THE AND SO I WAS CURIOUS IF ON THE CENTURY AVENUE PLAN WHERE IT SAYS CENTURY AVENUE PLAN WHERE IT SAYS SPECIES A, SPECIES B, SPECIES C, IF WE SPECIES A, SPECIES B, SPECIES C, IF WE COULD GUARANTEE THAT ONE OF THOSE COULD GUARANTEE THAT ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE EVERGREEN SO THAT there's at least some trees that have leaves on them still, and it's not just barren.

Yeah, I think we could certainly update some language within the final plan to include an assurance that there's an evergreen presence in that area.

And then you know I'm gonna talk about the color palette. At this point, I'm just wondering if you're trying to hurt my feelings. WE'VE GOT BROWN AND CREAM AND WHITE, AND I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT SEEING MASTER PLAN AFTER MASTER PLAN WHERE WE COULD END UP WITH A SERIES OF WHITE, BLACK, BEIGE GLASS BOXES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. And I'd love if we could include red brick in the palette. So there's a tricolor of opportunities there. And it's not... I just... I really want to be clear. I don't want a hot air balloon filled with Barbie pink paint and glitter. I do not want that. I just want to make sure... It could be cool. But... I JUST DON'T WANT US TO JUST HAVE THE SAME WHITE, BLACK, BEIGE GLASS BOXES OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT COULD BE IN WOODBURY IN MINNESOTA OR COULD BE IN ARIZONA OR COULD BE IN FLORIDA. JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT I'M SEEING SOME GABLES SO WE MAY NOT GET ALL BOXES. but it'd be really great to have opportunities for some standout and some more contrast instead of neutral on neutral on neutral. So I would appreciate the inclusion of red brick as well.

I think we can likely amend that section fairly easily to increase on page 28.

I THINK IT WOULD GO WONDERFULLY. LOOK AT THIS THIRD COLUMN SECOND ROW FROM THE TOP. RED BRICK WITH THAT DARK TRIM SURE LOOKS PRETTY.

THE MASTER PLAN DOES SUPPORT FAIRLY I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS A WRITER ON THIS GRAPHIC AND SO I THINK THE INTENT IS TO break up the boxes. I think that's one of the, as I look at these graphics that's, and I'm glad you picked up on it, utilization of awnings and gables and breaking up the box elements that comes with today's designs from a multifamily standpoint, really breaking up those elevations. with balconies and different pitched roofs. So those are some of the design intents, but I think we can layer in some additional brick colors. We can also give some language if the commission is interested in some level of focal point, whether that's through material color.

I appreciate that. And then it's funny that Marcia mentioned parking for the school because my concern about parking was actually for the high density residential and they're right next to each other. So great minds think alike. Do you imagine that that's gonna be a subterranean garage for the residents? Yes. Okay. I think that's gonna alleviate SOME OF THAT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH GUEST PARKING IN THAT COMMERCIAL AREA OR IN THE NEW LIFE AREA IF THE GUESTS OF THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

YEAH, I THINK IF WE'RE, WE'LL HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WILL BE SPILL OVER OPPORTUNITIES IF THE PARKING RATIOS ARE TOO TIGHT.

But I think that this was incredibly well thought out. And I really appreciated all the references to the Bailey Orchards throughout the project. And these kinds of projects take so much work. And I think it's really nice. Thank you. I'm done.

Thank you. Commissioner Schell, you're up next.

Thank you, Chair. A lot of questions I had were already asked. I do have a few more. One is, it's back to the Century Avenue, just so I'm clear on it. What I heard is that the part of Century Avenue that actually goes Go back to go to that red Circle around the low density that kind of shows like the 20. Okay, so so basically up till That mark that you actually pointed to which is near the regional pond of future The century Avenue would actually be extended as part of phase one is is is that correct about right here? Yep, okay, and and so that would be done by obviously city of Woodbury correct, okay and because that's necessary just to actually support what you are showing as the phase one plan. Correct? Okay. Um, and then eventually, you know, like one of your first bullets, um, actually says it'll be designed to the Washington County standard so that eventually it could become a county road, uh, if it gets extended to the current century Avenue. Correct? That is correct. Okay. Um, and then, uh, so thanks for that one. And then,

At the intersection of Century Avenue phase one and Bailey There is a signal light correct it is anticipated that will be a controlled intersection It has not been finalized that it'll be a signal it It is unlikely that it's going at this point that it'd be a roundabout, but that decision has not been Officially the roundabout or a signal control, okay?

Yeah, because that could be a very busy intersection. It's anticipated that that would be. Today, Century Avenue is, sorry, Bailey is already getting busy enough. Okay. Thank you. And the architectural themes, we already talked about it, and the red brick got introduced, which I'm actually glad about. But since the part of this master plan is also Newport and maybe even Maplewood, right? And you actually, I think, touched on it, but not very clearly, is that the architectural themes would be essentially adopted across all three.

cities that is what has been communicated to us by Newport staff is that as part of their development reviews they're going to be using our the palette the approved palette and so some of the brick components that you're seeing are consistent for instance with a traditional darker some would say it's radish brick from a quick trip type use that that's being brought in on this this palette because again we want architectural continuity whether you're in Woodbury or Newport

And that's what because it's going to develop over time. Right. So it's not happening all at once. And so it'd be important to actually coordinate across the city. I mean, the challenge here is it's across cities, not just one city. All right. Thank you. And then kind of had a question made probably for my knowledge and then anything else but you know you are actually suggesting or recommending here two different things one is modifications to the 2040 comprehensive plan to support the new life academy right uh extension uh the sports field so on so forth but then you are also talking about the the future low density um would be post adoption of 2050 plan, right? So kind of one of my questions was could this new life modification to the 2040, can it actually be part of 2050 or does it actually have to be done ahead of time?

The ask is part of the master plan and the ask from New Life Academy is to have that occur in 2026.

Because they need to start developing that place.

They would like to begin fundraising. They would like to begin acquisition of the property. So ensuring that the land use is appropriate is important. We viewed it from the city standpoint differently than the area to the north. There's a couple of reasons why we recommend the area to the north. One is what we've talked about quite a bit about future opportunity to look through the comprehensive planning lens about Century Avenue. Number two is really would like to see some of the activity begin in the commercial and higher density areas in advance of the low density starting. So really from a strategy standpoint, we would like the area to the south to develop so that those future buyers of the lower density property can know what those adjoining uses are.

Because the 2050 comprehensive plan is not going to be done until 28, right? Correct. So you're saying we don't have two more years to actually wait for some of the phase one of this? That's correct. All right. Great. Last small comment. I think you brought up the pedestrian crossing already and went to page 13, I think, in your 1117 sheets. That, my preference, as always before, is to consider using flashing pedestrian crossing, you know, because it's going to be quite well utilized pedestrian crossing areas based on the density of people in this area.

We will certainly bring that up to our engineering staff members, our transportation planners, and bring that perspective on the flashing beacons as well as the modifications to the actual pedestrian intersections for those crossings.

All right. Thank you very much, Chair. That's all I had.

Thank you. Commissioner Seabrooks.

SO THIS MIGHT BE JUST A MATTER OF ORIENTING ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE UPTICK IN TRAFFIC ON BAILEY, SPECIFICALLY IN THE MORNING, RIGHT, WHEN NEW LIFE IS IN SESSION AND A LITTLE BIT BEFORE 8 O'CLOCK AND EVERYONE'S GETTING TO WORK GOING DOWN BAILEY. I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING TRAFFIC FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. There is certainly, I believe it's Bailey Road and Lydia Lane that is awfully dangerous, especially if you're taking a left coming from New Life or even a right to get to work or wherever you have to go. And so I'm hoping you can kind of orient me. I know on page 12 there is a symbol for a controlled intersection, but I'm kind of wondering how the city is thinking about that and planning accordingly.

Yeah, currently New Life Academy has a condition that requires an alternate access before any future expansion because of the experiences that you're seeing. So One of the driving factors of the acquisition of the 30 acres, not only to give them opportunities to add athletic, but it provides that critical connection point. So from their parking area, there will be an alternate connection back through the private drive. And I'll move in a second back to the site plan, but I'll draw it kind of through this area and then back down to Century, which again is anticipated to be a signalized intersection. So that we anticipate, so you can kind of see it right through here on how that drives back into the New Life Academy site. RUN BACK THROUGH THIS IS A PRIVATE DRIVE BACK TO CENTURY AVENUE SO THAT WILL GIVE AN ALTERNATE WAY IN AND OUT TO BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC WHICH SHOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE VOLUMES THAT WE'RE SEEING ON LYDIA.

OKAY. SO THEN THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT'S A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION CURRENTLY SO THAT WILL JUST BE UPDATED TOO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOW BEEN AN UPTICK IN TRAFFIC GOING DOWN MILITARY ROAD. TO CONNECT TO BAILEY? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN NEXT ONE IS KIND OF AN AND THEN NEXT ONE IS KIND OF AN EASY QUESTION, BUT I'M KIND OF EASY QUESTION, BUT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS JUST ON TIMELINE TO CURIOUS JUST ON TIMELINE TO PHASE ONE.

PHASE ONE. IT'S PENDING CITY APPROVALS. IT'S PENDING CITY APPROVALS. THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN THE LATE SUMMER, CONSTRUCTION IN THE LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL. EARLY FALL. SO AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. SO AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. AU

Yes, I just had a question regarding the new life area. I was wondering how the plan will accommodate any future growth of the church and the school.

New Life Academy, like many of our faith-based organizations and school properties, have spent a significant amount of resources over the last several decades studying and restudying their needs from a growth standpoint. And so the application that's in for the city right now to look at both expansions at their existing facility, kind of their built area, as well as future opportunities at their new on the sports field side have been informed by some of those long-term needs. At this time, it's not known the exact timeline for some of those, but there are certainly significant improvements both academically within the existing campus that are anticipated that would be in front of the Planning Commission and Council in the future. As labeled on the screen, the acquisition area is really focused more on that athletic side.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, thank you. Commissioner Hilole.

Thank you, Chair. I do have a question about the Greenway. Ensuring pedestrian safety, will the existing trails be connected to the Greenway or the Carville Lake Park?

Yeah, there is anticipation for connection and connectivity to the existing trail network within. Some of these brown areas are some of the off-road trail, cycling trail area, but the more yellowish are some of those connections back into Carver Lake, and then also look at opportunities to connect and enhance as these greenway corridors come to fruition to provide better access into Carver Lake Park.

And also, how will the Greenway complement Carver Lake Park, especially with architecture and the preservation of trees?

The area... along the southern portion of Carver Lake Park is really not an overly treed area. So there will be basically what that Greenway corridor will provide is some buffer between the existing park area and the future development area, but it'll also be dual purpose by providing a trail within that location. So it will enhance from a buffering standpoint, the existing park area.

And one last question I have about the business park. What type of businesses will be envisioned around that commercial area?

In the business park area and this building here, we would anticipate similar growth patterns that we've seen in the northeast business park area. We have a couple of different businesses BUILDINGS THAT ARE OF SIMILAR SCALE TO THIS. IT SETS ITSELF UP TO BE EITHER COULD BE A LARGE SINGLE USER BUILDING OR MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD BE A MULTI-TENANT. SO THERE WOULD BE THREE OR FOUR CLIENTS OR TENANTS WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD SPLIT THAT BUILDING UP. BUT VERY SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE NORTHEAST BUSINESS PARK AREA IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

Okay, thank you, great questions. Let me see, I have a few questions here. I wanted to go back to Commissioner Swanson's conversation about trees and the tree selection. I'm curious in terms of if we've studied how our current tree selections are performing throughout the city. Just as an example, I was driving on Pioneer Drive today, and it looks like two or three of those trees have already been replaced and that work was just done a year or so ago. So is there any work being done so that these plantings that we are making going to be able to withstand the conditions a little bit better than maybe what we're seeing right now or maybe what we've seen in some recent projects.

Yeah, we have spent a significant amount of time over the last several years meeting with multi-divisional groups between engineering, public works, and and community development to address trees in the community and one of the main areas of that discussion is exactly what you just pointed out the survivability of certain types of species within kind of the built environment within right-of-way corridors as part of development within commercial areas and making sure that we're setting up the tree selections with success. Coming out of that, there will be modifications to our existing, we have an approved tree list that currently governs the both right-of-way creation or plantings along city roadways or county roadways, as well as the plantings that ultimately go into our commercial and residential developments. One of the biggest challenges that we're also tackling is some of the installation practices. So it's actually not the tree itself, it's actually the installation, especially on commercial projects. That has been a significant challenge that we are tackling head on.

Okay.

Thank you for that commentary. A parks question, maybe a clarifying question. the proposed low density residential area, would they be, based on the size of that, I understand it's not finalized yet, but based on the size of that, would they be required to do a park dedication or would they not be required to because of the proximity to Carver Lake Park?

I think that's something that's going to be looked at again as part of that 2050 plan and one of the reasons why staff is recommending to move that decision forward without knowing the type of product that is being provided within that area it is harder to identify the future park needs if they need to have what I'll call kind of a local park a park that's REGIONAL PARKS ARE FANTASTIC FOR MANY, MANY REASONS, AND MAYBE THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY CAN ATTEST TO THIS. It doesn't provide sometimes the day-to-day park needs. When you're heading there for 15 minutes, 20 minutes, 25 minutes, a tot lot, things of that nature that regularly are seen within a residential neighborhood. So I think the strategy that the master plan identifies is as part of the future development post the 2050 comprehensive plan processing evaluation on whether a neighborhood park is needed as part of that development area.

I think our standard today is if it's within one mile walking distance. It's a half mile. Half mile. Half mile spacing. I didn't know what that, I tried to get my little Google Earth thing to figure out, but I wasn't sure where that park starts and where it ends and to make that determination. So, okay. I think that makes sense to have like something that's residentially oriented park in that area. And then obviously if it could be accessible to all the residents there. Question about the retail commercial area. portion of the development in phase one. How are we, is that going to be graded level with Bailey Road? Do we think, is there going to be, is that going to be graded up in terms of just thinking about the screening and the car parking and car movements in there? how that's gonna be graded or if it's gonna be level to the Bailey Road.

It will be higher than Bailey Road as part of the overall grading of the site. There's a lot of earthwork that's necessary to develop the overall 165, 170 acres of grading activity that'll happen early on in this project. Generally, the grades coming that you see today will be significantly altered from what you see today as part of that mass grading exercise.

So there'll be some grade change there, and then between that and the screening, we'll be able to cover headlights and some of those movements that could be distracting out on Bailey.

And those areas that were not, as you move, the grades do settle a little, which is not unusual. We'll likely use some plantings in those areas as more information is known.

Just a clarifying question on something Commissioner Swanson talked about. in the packet on page 18 and 19 that talks about screening. So Commissioner mentioned about having evergreen on the Century Avenue portion. But as I look at the screening guidelines, Century Avenue is allocated for, I'm just trying to understand, there's high opacity versus medium opacity. And I guess my question was, would evergreens even be permitted on that Century Avenue corridor given, I believe those would fall into more of a high opacity DESIGNATION?

YEAH, I THINK THE LENS I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THIS THROUGH IS THAT CONTINUITY. SO YOU WANT TO BRING IN SOME LEVEL OF EVERGREENS EVEN IN THE STREETSCAPE MODEL, BRINGING IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS. WHETHER IT'S THE BUSINESS PARK AREA OR THE HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO SCREEN A LITTLE BIT. SO THE IDEA IS TO BRING SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS AND SOME OF THOSE LANDSCAPING CHOICES INTO THE PALETTE SO THAT AS MORE INFORMATION IS KNOWN ON ARE THERE AREAS THAT you want to slightly screen, we can bring those in, and it meets the overall cohesion of the development.

Last question I have was, in the last master plan that we looked at, we talked about medium density, some of the challenges with that townhome product. We talked about 45 foot lot frontages, not to bring that whole conversation back, but Would that 45 foot lot concept potentially be deployed in this master plan as part of the options for a medium density residential developer?

There would need to be a specific approval recommended by the Planning Commission, ultimately adopt by the council. That would be viewed from a staff standpoint as a change to the master plan. The idea here is that the master plan's gonna deliver more of a townhome function versus a small lot single family. So the flexibility is not built in on that front.

Is that because we don't think that product is the best fit for this particular master plan or we think that perhaps that transitions into a low density part of the low density product if there's more of a need there?

That's right. If we were to have a smaller lot, we would look at that as part of that lower density area to the north. Carve out part of that. The medium density is still intended to be in that 10 units per acre or more area. density range, so very much a townhome product. We want to provide the residents in this location to be able to create the walkable environment and that kind of energy towards the commercial area. So a little bit more density, both in the high density residential, more in the apartment format. And then as you move north and closer to the existing development area, and we did receive feedback throughout the process about wanting a little bit more of a townhome feel in this location versus additional apartments. So the master plan did acknowledge that ask.

So we could see a scenario where we flow to the north from high density to medium density to potentially 45 or 50 foot lots to more of our standard 55 and 65 foot lots.

That's a very real possibility from kind of the order of movement.

Okay. And would we mark that up as part of the 2050 comp plan process to identify that for future developers then? or leave it more open?

I think we would probably leave it more open and allow the plan unit development flexibility and as part of that conversation about park dedication and other needs. Okay.

All right. Great. Okay, are there any other follow-up questions from commissioners?

As always.

I knew I cracked that open, right? Go ahead.

As always.

Commissioner Swanson.

With the phase one, so you were saying ideally we would start from the south at Bailey, but there's already a developer ready to go for the low-density residential, and so phase one is actually going to be in the north side?

Phase one... Phase one from our definition is the infrastructure. So phase one infrastructure will be sewer and water that comes from Carver Lake Park that comes to the south. That's just infrastructure. That's not development. There's no verticality to that. The first projects from an overall development standpoint will either likely be the commercial area or the medium or high density. They both are kind of taking a parallel path right now through the city internal process. But really, from a development standpoint, the first phase will be the business park, medium density, high density, and commercial will be the first phase of development.

but as part of that Century Avenue is going to be extended from the north, not from Bailey up.

It'll be developed from Bailey up.

It will be developed from Bailey up.

Bailey up to the north. This section of road from this point to this point will not exist until the development of the low density occurs.

Okay, because what I was getting at is as things are going in, might it spawn conversations with the county of what's going on with the traffic in this new section of Century Avenue versus if we're going to extend it in later phases of the project. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THOSE RESIDENTS. THOSE RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT, THOUGH, IF THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO THOUGH, IF THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN TO FIX CENTURY AVENUE. PLAN TO FIX CENTURY AVENUE. BUT IF WE'RE DEVELOPING FROM THE BUT IF WE'RE DEVELOPING FROM THE SOUTH, NORTH, THAT COULD BE A SOUTH, NORTH, THAT COULD BE A CATALYST FOR CONVERSATIONS THEN. CATALYST FOR CONVERSATIONS THEN. POTENTIALLY.

POTENTIALLY. AS PART OF THE 2050 PLAN, AS PART OF THE 2050 PLAN, THERE WILL BE JURISDICTIONAL THERE WILL BE JURISDICTIONAL CONVERSATIONS. Each of those entities, Washington County, Ramsey County, Maplewood, Newport, all have an opportunity to review and comment on our comprehensive plan, but we'll be more proactive than that.

If we approve the plan with the extension in here, at what point do you think the extension from the business park to the current residential neighborhood would happen?

I don't think it's any earlier than 2029. And I think that's moving as quickly as possible. So it's probably no sooner than, yeah, no sooner than 2029. Okay.

And at that point, there would already be more conversations about 2040 plan, potentially even the 2050 plan.

That's right.

Okay. I hope that makes folks feel a little more comfortable about it because it wouldn't be an automatic thing happening right away. I hope it does.

Okay. Did you have anything else, Commissioner? Nope. Any other commissioners was filed? Commissioner Kennedy?

Yes.

Go ahead.

Chair, and actually it's in the same vein as Commissioner Swanson's. I wanted to thank the people who came to speak tonight because it's very important, I think, to hear your point of view, but also factors into what we're thinking. And it almost sounds like there needs to be some focus on that immediately or soon, but the this plan development, we'll scoop that up as we develop it. It's probably not, but is there any way we can consider now what's there and address that as we anticipate the development. Do you get where I'm going on that? Looking at it now and making changes doesn't make sense if what we're gonna do is change in the future. But as you say, it's not gonna be until 2029

YEAH, I THINK FROM A RIGHT NOW STANDPOINT, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE A CHANGE BECAUSE CURRENTLY THAT CONNECTION IS IN OUR ADOPTED 2040 PLAN. BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT UPDATING THE 2050 PLAN ARE OCCURRING. from a staff standpoint, it made sense to utilize that project to evaluate, much like we're evaluating all of our transportation needs within the community, have that conversation. It aligned well because it's not anticipated to develop in advance of those conversations, so it does allow for that sequential decision-making.

Okay, yeah, because we don't want it to be dangerous for our people to go get their mail. Right. You know, good. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

OK, thank you. Commissioner Shah, go ahead.

So I actually have a question for the two folks who actually came and brought up the concerns about the Century Avenue, the north side of it. Since we already, as you heard the discussion, we are talking about Century Avenue from Bailey till the mark that Eric actually pointed out to. Does that actually bring any concerns for you? Because you're not yet coming close to the area that you were concerned about. But the fact is that the Century Avenue is going to get connected to Bailey. just as in, you know, with essentially a dead end till the load entity.

What's that? Not connected, but it'll just go to a dead end.

Yeah, correct.

Johnny might have more to say since his daughter actually goes to New Life, but I will say, yeah, we were at the Newport meeting as well, um, about when they were talking about the quick trip and the apartment building, there was a large Bailey road neighborhood, which I'm sure you spoke, sounds like you've spoken with. Um, yeah, I also drive a lot on Bailey road and, and it is very crowded as well, but it also feels like there's more room for expansion with wise or like changes in that way versus the north part of century Avenue. There's not, unless all the houses are removed, which please don't do that. So, um, So, yeah, it feels better to come at it from somewhere other than Century Avenue South just because it's just steep drops on both sides. That's what I would say. But, you know, I also understand, like, the concern with the traffic along Bailey and New Life.

Yeah, I'll add, I think... The main concern for our area would be we're all on well water, which is contaminated with PFAS. But just making sure any of the businesses aren't contaminating our wells. I'm no scientist, but I do know gas station was a concern with Newport. and they work through it. I mean, you guys have runoff drainage ponds and you guys work through that process too, but that's, you know, to answer your question, that was another factor for us.

Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Anything else? Nope. Thank you. Any other commissioners?

Okay. Do we have any questions online tonight? Did we have any other yellow sheets? Anybody else? I don't think so. Okay. So with that discussion, I think staff would be looking for the recommendation.

I move to approve project number 19-2025-00603 with all of the planning commission comments as discussed over the last 70 minutes.

Do we have a second?

I second.

Okay, all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, the master plan review has been recommended for further consideration at the city council meeting on June 24th, where it will be formally reviewed and voted upon. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, next up, council report. Council Member Stafford. Thank you for joining us.

Our last council meeting was primarily approving a consent agenda. We had a large public forum, and then we went back to our workshop, so it wasn't a huge council meeting like we normally have. At our workshop, we began the review of the 2731 Capital Improvement Plan. The department heads presented reports to each of us at the workshop. The CIP is an appropriation. It's not an appropriation, it's just a plan. So they're all subject to changes and amendments all the way through. We were presented with the street reconstruction maintenance, including long-term funding and task force need assessment. The recommendation from the staff was that no new funding will be needed, which was good news to us. No policy changes, which is good news to us. And they're not recommending the need for a task force at this point in time. Apparently, historically, there was a situation where they felt the need. Our June 24th workshop will include strategic plan scoping, so we're starting to work on a strategic plan. The solicitor fee follow-up discussion, we're having some discussions about our solicitors and if we should change our fee schedules, and then how that would be set up as far as is it by individual, is it by company, what kind of a lead time, those type things, just to button that up a little bit. And then we're considering alternatives to the chicken ordinance. And we've got some really good plans and ideas, and we're working with them. After the first survey that was done two years ago, pretty much overwhelmingly is the general public said, uh-uh. Well, this last survey, it was about 50-50, so we need to listen to both sides, so we're looking at some alternatives to the current ordinance. We have some upcoming events. The July 4th celebration in fireworks is gonna be big, because it's the 200, yeah, it's July, Marcia, 250th anniversary of our beloved country. It will be at M Health Fairview Sports Center, People are going to have to pay attention to traffic patterns going in and out of there, but it is going to be a very, very large event. Fireworks will be bigger than they ever have been, and it's appropriate to celebrate. John, I know you won't be here. August 4th is Night to Unite. I don't know if you participate in your neighborhoods or not, but the council is participating as we do ride-alongs with public safety with police fire so that we're out and about in the community. So yes, we're very busy with different things coming at us, but the capital improvement plan is our big one right now. Great.

Thank you, Council Member. LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW OF THE MINUTES. OUR LAST MEETING MAY 4, 2026. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES?

AS ALWAYS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A SINGLE MEETING WHERE I HAVEN'T. AT LEAST ONE. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO. ON PAGE 5, SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL MY THOUGHTS WERE VERY CLEAR IN THE MINUTES. I'VE BASICALLY REWRITTEN PAGE FIVE. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO YOU. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER IT OR DO YOU JUST WANT ME TO GIVE IT TO YOU?

WHAT, FROM THE RECORD STAMP? THERE'S TWO OPTIONS EITHER. YOU CAN GO OVER IT HERE AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN VOTE OR WE CAN BRING THEM BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING A MEETING HERE PRETTY QUICKLY SO WE CAN AMEND THEM AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THEM IN CONTEXT WITH THE REST. IT'S REALLY OPEN. WHY DON'T YOU REVIEW THEM I'LL READ THEM.

I'LL READ THEM. OKAY, PARAGRAPH 3, PAGE 5. OKAY, PARAGRAPH 3, PAGE 5. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS TWO IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS TWO VERSIONS OF THE SAME THOUGHTS, VERSIONS OF THE SAME THOUGHTS, SO I COMBINED THEM. SO I COMBINED THEM. MS. SWANSON ASKED IF THERE WAS MS. SWANSON ASKED IF THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE OF UNITS AT THE A PERCENTAGE OF UNITS AT THE PROPOSED NARROW LOT WIDTHS PROPOSED NARROW LOT WIDTHS WITH PRICE-CAPPED HOUSES. WITH PRICE-CAPPED HOUSES. MR. SEARLES SAID THEY CAPT FROM 45 MR. SEARLES SAID THEY CAPT FROM 45 TO 50% AND GAVE INFORMATION OKAY. MS. SWANSON ASKED, AND I MS. SWANSON ASKED, AND I SCRATCHED OUT ABOUT THE SCRATCHED OUT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ONE MIGHT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ONE MIGHT TAKE TO BEND THE RULES WITH TAKE TO BEND THE RULES WITH THIS. THIS. SO MS. SWANSON ASKED HOW THE SO MS. SWANSON ASKED HOW THE CITY WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM CITY WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM BENDING THE RULES WITH THE PURCHASE BENDING THE RULES WITH THE PURCHASE PRICE WITH THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING PRICE WITH THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT ADDING IN A SENTENCE. AGREEMENT ADDING IN A SENTENCE. MR. SEARLES CLARIFIED THAT THE MR. SEARLES CLARIFI AND THEN I SCRATCHED OUT THE ENTIRE NEXT SENTENCE BECAUSE I ENTIRE NEXT SENTENCE BECAUSE I READ IT FOUR TIMES AND KEPT READ IT FOUR TIMES AND KEPT SAYING WHAT DOES THAT SAY. SAYING WHAT DOES THAT SAY. THEN ADDING IN HE SAID THE CITY THEN ADDING IN HE SAID THE CITY SEES THERE AREN'T PRODUCTS OF SEES THERE AREN'T PRODUCTS OF THIS SORT AND THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO THIS SORT AND THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO BRING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT TO BRING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT TO THE MARKETPLACE. Paragraph seven, so it starts, Ms. Swanson gave her concerns about people taking advantage of this and whether the city thought about ways to prevent that. I want to add in, she expressed concern that without requirements, the homes would not go to first and second time home buyers, but to investors looking to sell for a maximum profit. Between paragraph 8 and 9, I'd like to add one. Ms. Swanson gave an example of an affordable by design housing concept in another jurisdiction and expressed that without some kind of income or price restrictions, housing products with a zoning incentive can work against affordability instead of helping solve the problem. That's it. Okay.

Eric, are you comfortable with that amendment of the record or would you like to... go over it and have us revote on it at our next meeting.

I certainly have full trust in Stephanie's memory on it. It's really a commission comfort more than a staff comfort. If you would like, you can certainly vote on it. And if we can spend a little time listening to the numbers and if there's something different, but I don't anticipate that.

Well, I will ask the commission if anybody wants to make a motion to approve the minutes as amended by Commissioner Swanson.

I probably shouldn't.

I will move to approve the minutes as amended by Commissioner Swanson, the Planning Commission meetings.

Do we have a second?

I second.

Okay, let's vote then. All in favor of adopting the minutes as amended, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The minutes are adopted. And that concludes the meeting. You're adjourned.