City Council - workshop

Welcome to the Waterloo City Council Work Session for Monday, July 20th. Madam Clerk, roll call.

Mr. Schmidt. Here. Mr. Mauro. Here. Ms. Creighton-Smith. Here. Ms. Berry. Present. Mr. Salamanca.

Here.

Oh, okay. Fantastic. Mr. Martin. Here. And Mr. Simon.

Thank you. Here. First up is a discussion on Capital Improvement Plan Software Upgrades by Bridget Wood, our Finance Director.

Good afternoon. Bridget Wood, Finance Director. I actually have Shaylin with Planet Software. He will be the one that will be showing you the overview of Planet.

I'm sorry. I apologize. I got to stop. Mr. Simon.

Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion to approve the agenda as proposed as well as the approval of the minutes of the July 6, 2026 work session as proposed. Second.

Motion second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Same sign. Motion carried. Please. All right. My apologies.

I've got with planet software. He'll be the 1. I'll be doing a brief overview of our software that we use as well as a couple of the add ons that we're going to be bringing forth the council at the August 3rd meeting. But it would be for the replacement plan management tool as well as a web transparency tool where the public would then be able to look at different. Cp projects that the city has either going on or has in the works. So I'll let Shannon take over.

Hello everyone can you hear me? Okay.

Yep. Yep. Great.

I will share my screen. Cool. Let me know when you can see it.

Yep. Yeah, we can see it. Thank you. Get this thing out of the way.

Shailen, if you could enlarge it, that would be helpful.

Yes. Here, one moment.

There we go.

Okay.

All right. I'll try to enlarge it. Is that good? Yes. Perfect. Cool. So, my name is Shalen. I work with Planet CFP software. We've been working with Waterloo for a while now, and today I can show you two new things based on what Bridget was saying, our replacement plan management tool and then our web transparency tool. So I'll start with the replacement claim management tool. And essentially what this allows you to do is to get all the different vehicles, equipment, various assets that are on a replacement life cycle in one spot. And then it will automatically forecast for you the replacement cost of that vehicle, which is difficult to do and excel because typically every department has their own spreadsheet so it gets everything in one place and then automates the forecasting piece so then you can obviously plan more effectively. So what we're looking at here is kind of the home screen. I won't bore you too much with it, but essentially you'll have all your assets in one place and then you can add a bulk inflation rate across all your assets and then it'll automatically forecast out five years. or 10 years or 20 years, as many years as you want based on the data that you give it. So practically what that looks like is you input the data, you can input more data to get a more accurate forecast, or you can input just a few data points to get a better forecast than you probably can do in Excel. So there's room to, I guess, fine tune the forecast if you want. But essentially you'll put in the amount, this is the original cost, the date, It'll automatically apply an inflation rate. And then based on that, it'll automatically calculate that future replacement cost based on a formula that we created with a lot of different municipalities. And then you can apply automatic funding rules. Pay for the asset. And then the reporting side, it's linked with your capital improvement plan. So what that practically looks like here. And this would be a project that would appear in your capital improvement plan. And it would show all the different assets. That you've kind of grouped into 1 bucket. So, in this case, it'd be like. All your vehicles in the fire department, so it groups them all into 1 bucket. And then it aggregates all the cost to cost vehicles and. So, you can see here, there's 4 different things up for replacement in this year. it'll automatically roll in all the different automatic funding calculations. Then you can adjust it 20 years, 100 years, one year, et cetera. And then what that allows you to do is you can create a variety of different reports that you can then convert to PDF, Excel. It'll become a part of the Web Transparency Tool. So there's a variety of ways that you can show the data. But in this example, you can see It'll show the aggregated cost for this group of assets across five years, and then how you're funding that group of assets across these five years. And then you can show kind of any detail on the assets that make up this total beneath it. So it's just a really nice, simple view to see how much you got to pay for it to replace your vehicles in this case over the next five years. I'll pause there. Any questions?

Any questions, Council, so far? Keep going.

Cool. Yeah, so then you can also do the benefit of this is then it's a fully integrated system that is also a process. So you're now getting a process where everything's in one place that's in a controlled environment. that's integrated together so you're not going to have errors that typically come from having a standard Excel process where you've got to aggregate a bunch of spreadsheets into one place and then report on it. So it makes it a lot more simple, streamlined, and kind of bulletproof so that you can then plan more proactively versus reactively. Just to give you a little idea, some of the other reports that you can create is something like this where it shows next five years, here's how much we're going to pay to replace In this case, vehicles. And then I'll show you specifically the vehicles that are up for replacement each year. So there's a lot of different ways you can present the data that makes it easy to consume and kind of get a quick summary of where the money is going and when. So that is the replacement plan management tool. So now I can kind of transition to the web transparency tool unless there's any questions.

I HAVE A QUESTION MR. MAYOR. MR. SIMON HAS A QUESTION SIR.

SO THIS PAYMENT PLAN SOFTWARE BASICALLY WHAT IT IS IS IF WE'RE FALLING BEHIND OR IF WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON THOSE THIS SOFTWARE AUTOMATICALLY SHOWS THAT IN THE IN THE PROGRAM ITSELF. SO IT CAN BE ADJUSTED AND LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT SOMETHING ON A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND WE'VE HAD TO MOVE IT BACK TO A TEN-YEAR PLAN, IT'S ALL INTEGRATABLE THAT WAY, CORRECT? I'M GETTING A NOD FROM BRIDGET, SO I'M ASSUMING IT IS.

YEAH, YOU CAN ADJUST THE YEARS HERE AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO LIKE SAY YOU HAVE AN ASSET THAT YOU REPLACED EARLY OR YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH IT OUT, YOU CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND. OKAY, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. Mr. Morrow has a question, sir.

Yes, I have a couple questions. You're looking at replacing vehicles here, and some of them are miles, some of them are hours, and some of them are going to be on maintenance usage. So can you adjust the item that defines when it should be replaced?

So that would be obviously a dynamic calculation. So like example to your point would be like, You have equipment that's only used a minimal amount of years. So then the typical replacement cycle doesn't make sense because you're only using it a little amount. So it's going to last a lot longer. So you can put the data in the tool. We don't have the functionality today that will then dynamically create a more accurate forecast, but that's something that will be coming out in, say, two months. Sorry. I was going to say, a lot of what we tell a lot of our government customers is you're kind of here and you want to get here, but this kind of gives you the ability to take a step to where you'll have good foundational data. So then you can layer in those more like engine hours, those different factors that will give you a more accurate forecast. So for you guys, by the time the data is in the tool, we'll have the functionality to where you can add the engine hours, vehicle hours, to then kind of create a more specific forecast based on the whatever's happening with the vehicle or piece of equipment in that example.

Yes, I was kind of coming at it from the farmer side of me that if you have a combine that's kind of becoming a maintenance problem, or you want to replace it ahead of hours or time or whatever. And I'm just wondering if you had that option to put that kind of a factor in your program.

Yeah, so, yeah, there's ways to manually do it. I guess what I'm talking about is maybe getting ahead, but. we can do things where you input the data and that'll automatically incorporate it into a calculation. But that's coming in the future. What you can do right now is essentially say something like this one's a lot of maintenance, let's move it forward two years. So you can do it manually, but in the future, there's coming the ability to where you can put in like different data points on whatever you're tracking. And then based off that data, it'll create a more accurate forecast.

Council, any other questions before we keep moving? I guess not. You can go ahead and continue, sir.

Sounds good. This is actually my first council presentation, so thanks, everybody. I've never done this before. uh because as i was like can i can i ask if you guys want to ask questions but i guess obviously you can um so here's the example of the web transparency tool um so i'll give you a kind of live example now for roseville minnesota so essentially what this is is it's a interactive website that you can post uh to your city website for your constituents to click on and then view. You can also obviously send it to the council to review. And it's a live webpage that's connected to all the data in PLANET. So to update it, it's really easy. You just hit refresh. But in this example, they just have kind of their overview of their CIP here, department summary, and then there's some interactive analytics that you could filter the data down a variety of ways. And then it'll show a list of all your projects. You can also switch it to a map view where it'll show, for example, all your projects on a map. And any project on the website, you can click into it to see more detail on the project. And this is just all pulling live information from Planet. So then another page here, like this is an example of a cash flow report on a specific fund for police vehicles that they decided to show. So you can show this report, and it's all live connected to your data. So again, to update it, you just hit refresh. And it has a list of all the things, in this case, in the police department. And then you can just click on it to see the detail on the project. And how you kind of create it is, if you go back here, It's a pretty simple kind of website builder that comes pre-built with what most people would want. And then you can customize it a lot of different ways. You can add, for example, like reports, text boxes, images, videos, documents. You can add as many pages as you want. And then kind of configure the pages a lot of different ways. But then ultimately what you'll get is this live link. So, when you publish it, you'll get a link that then you could publish to your city site. And then you can have multiple versions that you're working on. So you can have a live version and other versions that you're working on in the background. And whenever you want to refresh the information, you'll just hit refresh and I'll pull in and update all the reports automatically. So, at the end of the day, you kind of build the. Like, what Roseville did here to kind of build the overarching structure of. what you want the transparency tool to look like. And then to maintain it year over year, it's pretty straightforward. You just hit refresh to refresh all the data, and then you'll probably want to update maybe some of the terms or dates on the narrative portion.

Any questions on that piece council any questions is there is there a portion in there, sir, where the, where the, the public can access this. But is there a portion here where the public can actually make suggestions for capital improvements.

There, so you can make comments. On projects, um, that's. A newer area that works 1. So right now I would say I don't really like how we do it and there's room for improvement, but something that we're actively figuring out how to do and then incorporate that into like a scenario planning prioritization process as well. So I guess maybe there's a way to do it, but I don't like how we're doing it right now. So I wouldn't recommend it until we build it out a little bit more.

When do you think that might happen?

Kind of depends on our customers. A lot of our development is driven by what they want and when they want it. So I guess if you guys are really like, we really need this in a month, then we'd do it. But if you go into our app, you can see on this release notes page, pretty much every day, we're pushing out things that then you can see like, specific customers like Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Grand Rapids, Michigan, things that they requested. And how that works for us is you say, hey, we really need this. This is something that's going to help us a lot. And we'll just determine if this can help other customers as well. If it's a yes, then we'll say, well, when do you need it? And then we'll typically be able to build it by that point in time. But all of our future development is driven based off of customers telling us what they need. So for this case, it benefited a lot of customers. But no one specifically asked for it yet, so we haven't prioritized it. So if you guys ask for it, then we prioritize it.

Thank you. Mr. Simon.

I got one more quick question, too. How many municipalities or groups do you currently work with, and how long have you guys been providing this service?

Yeah, so we work with hundreds and hundreds. And we've been around 25 years.

How many 100 I didn't hear you cut out.

Oh, we typically don't say, like, the exact amount of customers. We have for some, I don't know. Yeah, I guess I'm not again. It's my 1st council meeting. So I'm not sure. HOW TO NAVIGATE THAT.

SO YOU HAVE HUNDREDS, THOUGH, YOU WOULD SAY? YEAH. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND WE HAVE A LOT IN IOWA. I COULD SEND A LIST OF ALL THE CUSTOMERS IN IOWA, LIKE DES MOINES, IOWA CITY, ANCONY, THERE'S A LOT THAT I COULD SEND A FULL LIST IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

NO, THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? MS. BRIDGET, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD?

The only thing I'd like to add is I will be sending out a view only link for you guys with a login for the CIP software so that you can go in and see what departments have submitted. That way, if you have any questions, you can always reach out to Noel, Tim, or myself, and we can address any questions that you may have.

Mr. Schmidt.

So Bridget, I'm not sure if this is a question for you or our presenter, and I'm sorry if I missed this. I didn't see it anywhere in the attachments. So the bottom line is, do we know today what would be the cost to the taxpayers for this upgrade, or is that all?

So the two items that he went over today are $3,000 apiece. And currently for the Planet software, I believe our annual renewal is about $9,900. So it'd be increasing by approximately 6,000 dollars. And so the benefit to the taxpayers would be an efficiency in our ability to do what we do with the software as well as having access to visually see what the city has planned for different upcoming projects.

Gotcha. And did you have this in your budget for this year?

Yep.

Thank you.

And it's creating more transparency. Correct. For the citizens to be able to log on and view what each department is spending, what they've requested in their CIP, and how it's been spent the last few years. Am I correct? Yes.

Okay.

Any questions for Bridget? Council? Any other questions for our presenter? Did you have something? Mr. Meyer, go ahead.

When would you look to implement the changes that you're trying to look at?

So I have the upgrades coming to council on the 3rd, so it'd be shortly after that that we would start implementing.

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

Anybody else? Okay, thank you. Thank you both. Appreciate your time.

Thank you. Okay.

Next up, we have a presentation from International Paper. Please approach the podium and state your name and address or your company address for the record, sir.

Okay. My name's James Baumer. I'm the manager of capital projects for our packaging solution group in International Paper. We're headquartered at 6400 Poplar Avenue in Memphis, Tennessee.

Perfect Thank you presentation up there again.

Mr mayor council members. Thank you for this opportunity. Certainly international paper is excited about this project. Most certainly we have a presence here in Waterloo already, and we've essentially outgrown that facility and most certainly looking to expand our footprint in this region given the customers that we have.

First slide, please. Oh, you're doing a great job.

Just again, international paper, leader in corrugated packaging, partners with their customers across industrial. Really, we've really changed the focus of the company around packaging, and that's kind of our basis now. For 125 years, focused around paper. We've now made that transition in the last few years to really focus on the packaging market. That's where the segment is growing in the United States as well as across the globe. As I had indicated, headquartered in Memphis. I have 420 facilities globally. Founded in 1898, 29 mills. Uh, you can see the statistics there as far as sales and even on customers. Good next one, um, serve a wide range of industrial, uh, needs around shipping, uh, food and beverage, uh, grocery, retail, uh, personal care, E, commerce, E, commerce is the, the one that. is really growing in the United States. It has expanded into the double digits with all the amount of home shopping that we all do. So again, just a great opportunity for International Paper to refocus itself around packaging.

Next one.

Again, just real quick, the mission. Together we create sustainable packaging solutions that enables our customers, teammates, and shareholders to thrive in every changing world.

Okay.

What I have here, if you will please, a video of this project now. The project obviously is out near the airport, just with some facts as it's being queued up. It is the largest box planted international paper we'll have in its portfolio. It's 850,000 square feet. Give you some context around that. A normal box plant and our asset base is around 250, so quite a huge investment around 300M dollars put back into this community to be able to grow. Now, that means more jobs. That means more volume, not only for those. that are working there, but think about how it migrates out into the community with more people here. They're consuming more, going to the grocery stores, going to the restaurants and so forth, so that that base will continue to grow as we grow here in Waterloo. As you can see, as it's progressing, when we broke ground, just the near site is so large. And as you see here, we're starting to set the precast panels. They were brought in from Missouri and set out here. One of the largest concrete pours that we have in the organization. 26,500 cubic yards of concrete, 800 plus tons of reinforcing steel, and over two million linear feet of rebar. You can see him putting the roof on now. Going through the winter months. We started this project, as most of you recall, back in June, July timeframe. And where we are now is we've got the building enclosed. We're in the process of finalizing a lot of the building shell and interiors. as we've started to migrate forward with bringing in the production equipment and The rail again connecting off of the main line is a big source of our Supply line around the rolls the corrugator in this facility is The largest one that we'll have in the portfolio in international paper at 132 inch width And those rolls are going to be coming out of Cedar Rapids, our mill there. Now some sots on the interior. Given talked about the rebar.

Are those rolls like 10,000 pounds?

Yes. A roll? A roll typically is around six to eight times. So this is the first greenfield box planted international paper is done in the in over 35 years. Last one was in El Paso. We've been growing because of acquisitions. More than 85 jobs added to the facility's headcount, bringing it to 210 employees, of which the migration from the existing facility over to this facility. There's 177 million suppliers spent through our contractors and so forth. Minority and women-owned businesses supplied $13 million. Small and medium-sized business supported $58 million. See some of the finishes that are now starting to occur in some of our ancillary spaces. We've got an elevated catwalk, again, for safety for our employees to get them out into where their workstations are, but also for customers. This facility is really built around customer focus. When we bring customers into this facility, we want to make sure that they can see their product being developed from the design aspect all the way through production to the point where we can actually take them out into the plant along that catwalk, watch their product go from the corrugator all the way through the shipping department. And some of the staircase actually goes down into the shipping area where they can actually Touch and view their product being manufactured and before shipping Here we're starting some of the corrugator again for those that are not familiar with the box making process As we indicate we got a rather large roll room to house those rolls over 3,000 rolls as a merit indicated 132 inches so we stack them too high. We could actually put one of our smaller facilities in that roll room, that's how big it is. From there it goes into that corrugator and you see how there's the roll room right there. It houses the ability for 22 rail cars to be in there and we had to put a series of conveyors in there just to be able to handle that much volume coming in through that facility. Typically, those roles will turn over within three, three and a half weeks. If I can go back to the corrugator, the corrugator, again, the largest one that we'll have in international papers, portfolio of assets. It will be able to produce annually four billion square feet of board. a typical box plan in international paper does anywhere from 700,000, 700 million to up 2.5 billion so this is double the size of what our largest facility is again we've invested quite a bit into the employees trying to make a very accommodating space and functional space from the employees coming in working in the office working in the production spaces And certainly when this video is taken a couple weeks ago, we've made quite a bit of improvements in development and so forth. Again. We've got a series of conveyors coming off the corrugated in the back there. Once the board's made through the system, it's got to be housed as it's then positioned in front of 6. different converting machines and then that starts getting into our storage of finished goods as it then would be able to migrate out into the shipping area out to the docks and out to our customers. You see a lot of red and yellow in there. The red indicates we want to make sure that our employees know where fire alarms are, where fire extinguishers are. So that's what signifies the red. Yellow, we want to make sure that we highlight where there is potential fork truck traffic so that way there's no damage that's done that way. So again, all of this is being done in the partnership between the city and International Paper and our vendors. And again, I can't tell you how much we really appreciate the support that the city's been giving us from Jamie and Noel to a number of those in this chamber here to be able to make this possible for us. So with that, is there any questions?

When do you plan your grand opening?

The grand open is planned for next spring. It'll probably be in April May. We want to, because our production is such that that corrugator we're looking in the October time frame to get it started. And then once we get all the converting put in there, we're pushing up into the first quarter of next year. So we want to make sure that the grand opening, the ribbon cutting event, is in an environment that we can have something outside. So obviously we want to wait until we get the weather to break.

And I can test because I used to be an industrial electrician that I've never been in a cleaner construction zone or a plant in my entire life. You take safety to a new level council questions. Mr. Schmidt. Sorry.

Well, I've got a questions from, I think we all got an email from a citizen. So first, I'd like to compliment you on this project and, you know, I think it's a great benefit to the city of Waterloo and the. Noel and his staff and current mayor, previous mayor, previous council. So look forward to the ribbon cutting. I got an email from a citizen that just had a couple questions. First, what percentage of your employees make a livable wage or better?

So I would answer that as all our employees make livable wages. I am not an expert on the MIT chart that was referenced in that, but most certainly our beginning wage is $25 an hour. Certainly, it expands all the way up to some of our more senior individuals in the production side that can make up to $40 an hour.

So it'd be $25 and up, basically? Yes. Thank you. And then the other one is, it's a little bit of a long question. Waterloo is providing you with an active and lively workforce, close proximity to an airport, city streets, and infrastructure. We're also giving you a tax incentive on your property taxes. You will be investing to expand your business and profitability here in our beautiful city. What benefits do you plan on providing the city of Waterloo, our shared environment, and or the average taxpayer?

most certainly I'd like to do a little more research on that question given that I just found out about it but quite honestly it's it's the investment that international paper is making in this community and as I've indicated it's also branching out into those other tiers of the community right it's it's the more individuals that we employ there, the more opportunity for families to partake in going to shops and retail, hardware stores, grocery stores, all those second tier, third tiers start to kick in. Most certainly, International Paper has been a huge community partner. Most certainly, we are always open to working very closely with the community on other community projects that may be out there that both benefit both the community and International Paper.

I think the council will agree what Waterloo needs more than anything else is good paying jobs. So I appreciate you providing that. Neil, or Neil, Noel's brother Neil, could you give us a ballpark on the tax benefit of this, you know, once it's up and running and going?

Noel Anderson community planning development director and the minimum assessed value on the building is forty million comparable to the target distribution center just for people out there for minimum assessed value. So, creating a lot of value out there. Obviously, they had some tax incentives for the first years, but it's definitely benefiting us out there to be able to create the roads and, of course, build out additional infrastructure, not just for them, but for additional.

businesses out there and if you've been out there um i think we have about six or eight active projects so thank you and it should be known that it's not just international paper because there's not other businesses that support you correct that'll be working within our community and outside our community that bring things into this community. Ms. Berry.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And on the same line as what Councilman Schmidt was just asking, maybe if you could describe the type of jobs that you will be hiring for. I think that would help our community to better understand how they can prepare.

This is Zach Butel, our general manager with the facility. Certainly, thank you.

Okay. I'm Zach. Okay. Um, I work out at the, uh, facility. I'll be the general manager, um, for the, the local facility. So I'll be the, the one staying here. So I'm at 3230 legacy road. Now, um, we really have a wide range of positions there. So our general hourly pool, um, you know, those are the jobs start at 25 dollars an hour. Um, and that would be, I would say just general production labor. Um, and then we have all the way through really all the positions that it would take to run a manufacturing facility. So we have a pretty large pool of skilled trades. Um, we partnered with the water, the career center there, uh, as well as community college to attract those. So, those are those higher end paying jobs that. I think current union contract has about 41 dollars an hour. So, and upwards from there, and then we have a lot of machine operators, so we're bringing in new modern technology with these machines. So that requires a good pool of machine operators throughout the facility to run. So, those are those jobs that are paying 30 to 32 dollars an hour as a, as a starting wage there. Um, beyond that, we have our, I would say our traditional support staff, so supervisors, office staff, customer service, accounting, HR, um, you know, all the functions it takes to run a business.

Okay, wonderful. Thank you.

Any more, ma'am?

Mr. Mayor.

Thank you. Mr. Salamanca is up and then I'll call on you, ma'am. Mr. Salamanca.

Real short, quick comment. I just want to commend International Paper for also contributing back to the community. I know International Paper partners with a lot of nonprofits in their local regions. Having worked for the Boys and Girls Club, I can tell you and can attest that International Paper does support local nonprofits. So if folks are worried about community impact or how a business gives back to the community, I can 100% attest that International Paper does that. And it's something that I think folks should do a little bit more research prior to jumping to any conclusions. So appreciate it.

Yes, thank you. Thank you. Ms. Creighton Smith. You have a question.

Yes, thank you. Mr. Mayor. This is very exciting. We were enthused about it last session as we were contemplating all that your company. would do for Waterloo, so we are excited about it. And I was checking, you anticipate hiring 200 members in the Waterloo facilities, is that correct?

Yes, that's correct.

Okay, great, great. So that's definitely a wonderful boost to the economy here in our city as well. And it's also exciting that I guess globally you have over like 65,000 people working. And your headquarters is in Memphis. So and our facility is the largest box. Could you explain it for me in the world or tell me about that? Largest box factory or?

Yeah. Um, you know, certainly we're trying to be the largest in the world that gets a little difficult to confirm because our competitors won't give us those details. But I do know within international paper, this will be their largest facility and this will be 1 of the largest facilities. For sure in North America. Um, and it will be competing on a global global scale. So, if there's a, there's a large demand for our product, and we're very happy to invest here. So we can fill that demand.

Wonderful Thank you. No more comments.

Thank you ma'am.

Yeah, you have, are you supporting both domestic and international customers out of that facility?

Um, so our direct customers are all domestic. Uh, we do have a lot of product that does ship internationally. Um, but that would be our customers customers. Um, so we, we do produce a lot of boxes that are printed in Chinese and Korean, uh, mostly for meat exports.

So you're, you're producing them, shipping them to a middleman, if you will, and or, or your customer, and then they're exporting them out.

Correct.

Okay.

Yes. All right. Thank you. And you do make food storage boxes for Tyson's?

Yes. Yep, Tyson's a large customer of ours. So we produce for most all of their facilities.

Very good. Any other questions, council? Simon anything no thanks, I want to thank you for coming into today and I can't I can't thank you enough for investing in waterloo is 1 of the most exciting projects that we've had to come to fruition in a long time. And and and it's because of of international papers commitment to the city of waterloo and our ability to work hand in hand with you to make this a reality again. I can't thank you enough.

Oh.

Yes, and thank you for the support. That was a huge part of being able to get this project off was the support we got from this council here. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Simon. Mr. Mayor. Go ahead. I'd like to make a motion to be adjourned. Second.

I've got a motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Same sign? Motion carried. We are adjourned.