County Council - Regular Meeting

We'll see where it ends up. Are you okay to take the short-term rental bill? That's part of the reason to change it. You've got some books tonight that are going to speak about it as well. And I know T.J. you said that somebody should read it. So we don't have a substitute bill. So we can table it. And I talked to Tom Dixon. He's got some books that he wants to put in the fireworks bill. So I'm asking to table that as well.

Yeah, so the other thing is, you know, Kimberly, you've got an interesting question. Tom said there's stuff in there that he wants to clean up anyway.

Good evening everyone welcome to the Tuesday May 22nd meeting obviously with the holiday we move the meeting back to tonight.

Tonight we will start with our invocation doctor Mark Engelhardt from United Methodist Church in Wentzville is here. Thank you Mark for coming to pray for us. Kelton woman York was going to do our pledge of allegiance, but she unfortunately could make the meeting. Mr Baker, would you fill in and do our pledge for us?

Mark, if you would.

Let us pray. Heavenly Father, our God, we praise your holy name. As we gather tonight to conduct the important work of this Council, we ask that you guide our hearts and minds and wisdom in humility and in service guide us in our deliberations to do your will as we seek to do the best for the people of Saint Charles County provide us with clarity of thought and courage of heart to carry out the responsibilities set before us tonight. Give us grace where we fall short and help us to extend grace and understanding to each other during our discussions and decision making. Lord, as you came to serve and not condemn, let us also seek to provide for the welfare of the people of Saint Charles County. This we pray in your holy name. Amen.

Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. You may be seated. Please call the roll.

Councilman Swanson. Here, ma'am. Councilman Brazel. Here. Councilman Hammond. Here. Councilman Elam.

Here.

Councilman Hollander. Councilman York. Councilman Baker. Here.

That gets us to public comments on today's meeting the clock in front of Mister Swanson will show you 3 minutes at the end of that 3 minutes you'll hear of the I thank you for your comments and we will move on to the next speaker, our first speaker tonight is our first week or Tom and Mary minor regarding their construction in their neighborhood.

Chairman of the central city or St. Charles County Council thanks for letting me have this opportunity. My name is Tom minor that's my wife Mary and last year you guys might remember in July or August, a main water pipe broke a water was shut off to Saint Peter Saint Charles City. That was inherited landing. Well anyway, a company came in called ground works to finish this project. It was to shore up these homes that were along creeks and everything so that you know there's like several locations, maybe 20 or whatever. Anyway, this job has never been completed to date we've got weeds over there as you'll see with the pictures. You know these are this is an upstanding neighborhood with beautiful homes and this job needs to be completed it'll be a year this July or August. And we've contacted ground works. A gentleman named Mister Steve Randall we've got not got no response. You promised my wife about a week ago that be done in 2 to 4 weeks and that was 6 weeks ago. So basically they're stonewalling this thing and a lot turning into well, but make a lot that you wouldn't want next to your house. And we just like to get to get this thing done. Tim Baker, I've been working with Tim And Rob Wiley with Steve Ellman's office. So we just need some help from you guys to get this job completed. And that's basically it. You got anything? No.

That's it. And I think that's it. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker.

Doug and Ashley Carey regarding bill number 5490, short-term rentals.

Hey there. Thanks for the opportunity for allowing us to speak. We are local people who live here in the community and we do own short-term rentals. We own one that's in an unincorporated area. We bought specifically in that area to not have so much oversight, although we do understand the position that you guys are in because you probably have a lot of people talking about these. But we want to give a different perspective and that we are very responsible owners. Um, we usually buy the properties on the street that are the most dilapidated worst ones. We have paid past taxes for owners that couldn't, you know, do that. We fixed up the houses nine times out of 10. Our properties are like literally the nicest homes on the street. we are incentivized since they are short-term rentals for our guests whenever they come stay to get we want good reviews right so we want to make sure our property is maintained we want to make sure that we're abiding by everything we want it to be safe we understand those things that are written in the bill that mrs york put together we get it and we respect our neighbors as well we have excellent relationships with our neighbors and that they were a lot of them have come over to us and thanked us for fixing up the house that was dilapidated and falling apart I think we wanted to ask like some clarifying questions because we do understand that the city of Saint Charles they imposed restrictions and they charge $500 per property and this bill would charge $200 will that be on top of the 500 for the city will that be totally separate if it's an unincorporated property we just were on we're not sure about the verbiage.

We don't do back and forth during public comment to make your comments and then we can talk about it.

Yeah, okay, okay, I'm sorry, yes, okay, okay, and then what.

You have a question to the county is certainly aware that we have every in these we do pay a already a higher amount in our property taxes, we also have to pay a quarterly tax for the revenue gain and really any small business. I mean this is like SBA statistic every $100 spent 68 of it stays in the area and even our guests that come you know we when I go to course copy they say hey we have more guests in today when we go down to the Bell the same thing your guests are always coming in patroning so it is a good thing for community. Anything out there there can be a bad side to it certainly that's not what we promote that's not how we run ours.

I can't help how everybody runs their we don't we don't allow nightly stays I mean to cut you off but we don't allow parties we have cameras up I mean you also think about regular rentals in the community that are just left to be dilapidated like Another argument that has been said is that we are like restricting first time homebuyers from actually buying these properties that will be by the properties of the worst on the street first time homebuyers cannot buy these houses you have to get hard money of the take on risk we're hiring local contractors local businessmen and women and it seems like world.

Thank you will have discussion on the bill.

Tony the Bosco regarding bill number 5490.

Thank you all. I'm former State Representative Tony Levasco, here to reluctantly speak in opposition to Bill 5490, at least as it's currently drafted. I understand the need to have some regulation, perhaps, in dealing with out-of-town folks that come in and buy up houses and turn them into hotels on an otherwise quiet street. I understand that there's some concern about that, and it's certainly happening more and more. However, the way this bill is written, it does not limit its scope to out-of-town or even out-of-street residents. It actually applies to homeowners in their own home. Under the language of this bill, if you go out of town and want to hire a house sitter to keep an eye on things for a couple of weeks, you have to pay $200 to get a license. If you're a parent whose kid goes away to school and you want to charge them some rents when they come home for spring break, Well, guess what? Maybe the county wants to inspect your property now to make sure you're in compliance with this bill. I don't think that's the intention. I don't think that was how this bill was brought forward. However, the reality is, as it is currently structured, it does prohibit people who live in the house from renting out their property in almost any circumstance without getting these licenses. And the bill had some pretty hefty penalties. You can be imprisoned up to 30 days per day. That seems very drastic for people that might just want to make some extra money from the bedroom. Incidentally, when I was in the legislature, we contemplated situations like this. And I actually got a statute passed, 71.990, that specifically deals with home-based businesses. That statute says that no municipality or political subdivision can require a license or otherwise require prior permission for operating a no-impact home-based business. Reality is, if you live in the house and you're renting out a bedroom that you've got in the basement or whatever, that's a no impact business according to state law. This bill here does not have any accommodations for that. It treats someone using their own property that they live in day to day, that they're a resident and they're paying attention to what's going on and are able to respond to problems exactly the same as some out of state conglomerate. I think that's heavy handed and I don't think that's the intention of this bill. But the reality is when you look at provisions in here like saying that if any of your neighbors, for example, already have one of these permits, if BlackRock buys up your neighbor's house and decides that they wanted to make a short-term rental and they get one of these permits, well, you're prohibited from actually getting this permit. And so now you can't rent out your bedroom. I don't think that was the intention there either. I think this needs to be tabled until it can be rewritten to actually do what's intended to do because currently it just doesn't hit the mark. So thanks, guys. Thank you.

Bobby, you know regarding bill 5490.

My name is Bobby, you know live in council district 7 off the dingle that road just up the street from me we have a short term rental that you all could be talking about it before with the parties weddings wedding receptions fight the street fight yard parking trucks in the yard. A neighborhood is where your home is Your home is a safe place. How many times have you been on a trip and you come into your subdivision or come down a familiar road and you think, I'm home, I'm going to be there. That goes away with short-term rentals because the people that live next to that short-term rental, they don't know who's there. They have no idea. Even if you have a neighbor that you don't care for, that you don't like you still know he's there you still know that that guy's there and if it was an emergency or something you could probably count on we don't know that with the short-term rental. A neighborhood is supposed to be a safe place it is not with the short-term rental I told you earlier that people are trying to get away from Saint Peter's Saint Charles Wentzville and so on. because they want to go to unincorporated because it's non regulated it's just that simple there's stuff on the Internet that I read about heard about that's what they're looking for this is the company that's here it's locally they use local labor I'm sure they do the one up the street from me is owned by a company in Oregon and guess what they use local labor they use local painters they use local carpet people it's no different the company in Oregon owns a So 100 of these SDR around the nation. OK, the other thing is and this is what really concerns me. So when there was a fight in the wedding and everything that was going on on Mark Street, the neighbors got an upper they got very upset. And we live in a world where things could go from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat. We all know that we've all seen it with all you got to do is watch the news and you'll see that. And that's what could happen in some of the subdivisions with the short-term rentals. As I said before, when it's a two-bedroom, one-bath, near Main Street or whatever, very simple. When you get to larger homes with five bedrooms, three and a half baths, there's a problem. And there's nothing to say that they can't put 40 people in there sleeping at night. All they need is a couple of blankets and air mattresses. This is out of control. It needs to be reined in. $54.90 was a good bill. Some people don't like the way it's worded. I think it's worded pretty well. And I think what you need to do is to vote on it, bring it up, talk about it and vote on it. It should be passed. It needs to be passed. All right. Thank you. Have a nice day.

Good evening, members of the Council. My name is James Pludrey and I'm a Republican candidate for County Council in District 7. As a resident of this county, I believe in small government, equal justice under the law, and protecting the property rights of everyday citizens, not just a select few. I'm here tonight to speak regarding Bill 5490 and to ask a simple question. Why does this Council believe that corporate and commercial investors in the Agricultural Tourism District deserve a completely different set of rules than everyday homeowners in the rest of the county. The ordinance creates a massive loophole if you run a short term rental inside or within one mile radius of the agricultural tourism overly district you're completely exempt from having to obtain a license you don't have to pay the $200 fee. You don't have to worry about the 600 foot density spacing rule you don't have to face mandatory background checks registration paperwork or County code inspections. But if an ordinary residents and any other unincorporated neighborhood wants to do the same exact thing. They face a mountain of red tape. They must pay fees, navigate strict spacing buffers and submit to property inspections under threat of a $500 fine or 30 days in jail. We are the residents. Why are the residents of our standard neighborhoods being penalized and regulated while wealthy commercial operators in the winery corridor are given a free pass? If short-term rentals pose a safety and nuisance risk that require strict regulation, then those risks exist just as much in defiance in Augusta as they do anywhere else in this county. Safety codes and community standards should apply to everyone equally. The blanket exception is the definition of preferential treatment. It protects a specific group of politically connected business owners while leaving regular citizens to carry the burden of government over age. I urge the council to amend this bill close this loophole and ensure that if you're going to pass regulations you apply them fairly across the entire County. Thank you for your time thank you.

I think we are leading up regarding animal control Missouri highway and study and agenda ordinances.

Good evening, Mister chairman members of the Council, my name is Arnie see a CD not County public advocate running forward that to be the next County executive in the August primary. A couple things I want to talk about first of all on the consent agenda, it's an alarming red flag that went up for the executive office building here the slate roof replacement that we just replaced the roof a few years ago. I understand it from the hail storm from 2024. I asked you a brazel who's the roofing expert. These 3 bids go from $334,000 to 1,000,594,000 that's a big discrepancy like you to question the facility staff and how much from the insurance claim but we're also self insured so is is our roof here self insurance is coming out of our pocket need to be some questions about the huge discrepancy in the bids. Bill number 5493 by captain Sullivan and she for is bringing the security licensing process from the eastern law enforcement Academy back to the county police for best practices. I believe by doing this it will give us better control better enforcement keeping bad actors out of the security business. The next issue is bill number 5492 mutual aid agreement for building and code services that seems like a pretty good common sense issue for municipalities bill number 5493 the FIFA World Cup providing to police officers can we find the resources because of our shortage here in our County police and I know we're going to get reimbursed but are we shorting are we change shorting ourselves in terms of the shift and the unincorporated neighborhoods from any patrolling services. Next is bill number 5495 license plate reader for the camera access to municipalities. I'm asking that we not use this to track our residents and that the disposition or the destruction of those materials happen within 30 days or some other type of format. The animal control shelter, why was it closed this past Saturday, I guess we'll ask Joanne like I'm the director of administration, it was not a holiday the holiday was on that Monday. So we're taking away resources from our county residents who want to find their lost pets and so there needs to be some answers answered about that. Missouri highway and duplication of the same study. We're paying 400 to $500,000 with Chicago firm one very disappointed in so far their work we'll see what kind of more work they come up on Thursday. It was gateway hired a consultant and a price tag through the county. And finally why are we paying Bob are a high consultant hourly salary when you retire from the county under logger's it just doesn't make it. You know thank you next week.

Jake Jackson regarding bill number 5495, block cameras.

Good evening, council members. My name is Jake Jackson, and I'm 26 years old, and I'm a lifelong resident of St. Charles. I'm here today speaking as a young constitutional conservative against flock cameras. In the past few months, I've seen these ominous block cameras popping up everywhere here in St. Charles. I'm seeing them on main roads, in parking lots, and at the entrances of neighborhoods and apartment complexes. As a constitutional conservative, I believe our rights come from our creator, not government. I believe in the principles that our country was founded upon, and I believe in the Fourth Amendment, which is our constitutional right to privacy from government intrusion. The Supreme Court reaffirmed that government cannot engage in long-term pervasive tracking of our movements in Carpenter versus United States. This is not about public safety. This is another step towards digital surveillance. Flock cameras don't make me feel any safer. They make me feel like my rights and my safety are being eroded. There have been verifiable cases that I personally found where FLOC falsely flagged innocent people and they had to prove that they were innocent. As a young law-abiding citizen, as a young person, I don't want to have to worry about being falsely flagged by FLOC for a crime I did not commit. Now that this infrastructure is in place, the temptation to expand it, to add facial recognition, retain data longer, and to share it with federal agencies will be irresistible. History shows us that surveillance powers granted for our safety are rarely ever surrendered when the crisis fades. I just want to also say that I fully support the rule of law, and I appreciate great individual police officers that put their lives on the line to enforce it. However, they also have to abide by the Constitution and protect, not erode our individual liberties in doing that. And that is why officers have to read your rights when they arrest someone. I believe that government's primary role isn't to keep us safe, it's to protect our individual God-given liberties. I don't want government's top priority to keep me safe because that road always descends into just tyranny. The last time government wanted to keep me safe, it tried to force me to wear face masks and take harmful experimental vaccines. And that's why I'm calling on the council to vote no on anything that expands or normalizes the use of flock cameras. In fact, I'm here today to call on you to ban them completely in the county. Get the flock out of here. This is completely unacceptable. It's completely unacceptable. And if you're Republicans, if you're registered Republicans, I'm calling you to vote no on this. This is just a fundamental violation of our rights. Each of you has an obligation and a duty to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution is non-negotiable. All it does is reaffirm our God-given rights from God, not government. And so any member that does vote in favor of flaw cameras, they're saying that they don't give a damn about our rights. A vote for this is a vote to erode our Fourth Amendment rights as an act of pure tyranny. I yield my time.

Thank you.

Teresa Lentz, bill number 5495.

What authority do you have? What gives you the authority?

Hi, I'm Teresa Lentz, Nick, and I am a St. Charles resident. And I am definitely against flat cameras as well. I I don't like public surveillance that actually that is I I believe against our 4th amendment right. And I I just I definitely agree with what Jake Jackson said. So it kind of it's kind of like that not back to the future but it's just it's just really scary that so I just I really Pray that you but against 5495 and I pray for clarity and courage for this. Assembly to and so thank you thank you.

Sir, this is if you want to do public comment you fill out a card and you speak you don't just yell from the audience. It's too late we're done with public comment at this point you need to do that before the beginning of the meeting. On the next meeting you can do that at this point we're done with public we're done with public comment at this point Sir please have a seat please have a seat.

Please have a seat.

Sir.

At this point we're up to oral report from the county executive.

Wait till we get to the bill we have a family arena presentation is that correct.

Hello Council on I'm not giving the report but i want to introduce sandy femmer and tom o'keefe sandy is the general manager of the family arena tom o'keefe is the booking manager of the family arena and between them they have short just short of 50 years experience working at the family arena in their respective roles so you've heard from me enough over The years on things like this and I think it would be best for you to hear a little more from the boots on the ground and the people who really make this place operate so.

But Sandy kick it off you get a break in between graduations to make it here.

Just a few. Well that for Saturday and we have. Yeah. 12 12 sorry for the other.

Yes, I didn't mean to throw you out that's okay.

Good evening council members, my name is Sandy Femmer and I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight about the family arena and the role it plays in our community. The family arena is a 10,000 seat multipurpose venue serving the Saint Louis metropolitan region. The arena opened in 1999 and has since become a cornerstone of entertainment civic activity and community service for a region. We have hosted more than 1,100 sporting events in front of 2.5 million fans, including basketball, boxing, football, hockey, MMA, soccer, and more. We have also held more than 400 concerts for approximately 1.5 million fans and nearly 250 circus performances attended by more than 840,000 spectators, along with worship services, trade shows, cheerleading and gymnastics competitions, and a wide variety of other events. Over the years, we have also hosted more than 450 graduation ceremonies for 30 different schools, including both high schools and universities. Of the county's 15 public high schools, 11 located in St. Charles County hold their graduation ceremonies at our venue. Since opening, more than 1,820,000 people have attended graduation ceremonies at our facility. The family arena has been utilized numerous times over the years for political campaigns and appearances by motivational speakers and public figures. We're also proud to serve as a polling place for elections held here in Saint Charles County. Currently the family arena is home to the Saint Louis ambush was a member of the major arena soccer league. This year the ambush secured a 2026 MSL playoff berth by clinching a top six spot in the regular season. They advanced to the semifinals and completed their season this year, coming in third place in their league. The Family Arena employs 15 full-time staff members along with substantial part-time workforce of approximately 275 people from the surrounding area. For context, Chaffetz Arena, a comparably sized venue, operates with 23 full-time employees. We are proud of what our lean, dedicated team accomplishes. Beyond our role as an events venue, our staff routinely assists the St. Charles County Administrative Office during personal property tax billing season and the Senior Real Estate Property Tax Relief Program. The Family Arena has a full-service in-house catering department that services our suites, club, backstage, hospitality, and artist catering, while also providing catering for nearly 400 private events, both on-site and off-site, since opening. The arena has a 1 million square foot parking lot with 3600 spaces which has been utilized for over a thousand parking lot rentals throughout our history and we routinely make the lot and facility available to local law enforcement agencies for training purposes having done so for more than 425 occasions at no charge. Our parking lot is a hot commodity thanks to its wide open layout and lack of violence making it highly desirable for right and right. overflow parking outside events and more if only we had a few additional access roads leading to the facility instead of backing up to the river. Our annual attendance typically exceeds 300,000 in strong years has surpassed 400,000 over the past 26 years more than 9 million people have attended over 5,000 events that are venue including both ticketed and non ticketed event. On average, we host more than 110 ticketed events each year, along with an additional 100 or more non-ticketed events. According to Ticketmaster data, the majority of our ticket purchasers reside within a 45-mile radius. That said, in 2025 alone, we sold over 1,000 tickets to buyers from each of the following cities, Cape Girardeau, Springfield, Columbia, and Kansas City, reflecting our regional draw. We recently experienced an increase in the number of family shows appearing at our facility including popular children's character production such as Blippi, Peppa Pig, Baby Shark and Blue's Clues. Earlier this month Sesame Street Live made its first ever appearance at the family arena and we hope to welcome them back again in the future. I can honestly say that seeing our venue filled with children enjoying the many shows we brought to the facility has been one of the true highlights over the years. On the capital improvement front. We have recently completed several significant upgrades including the replacement of lower bowl seating with an automated retractable seating system updated video and ribbon boards installation of public Wi-Fi and full replacement of our HVAC system, including new boilers and chillers. We also repaved our parking lot, replaced the main roof skin and upgraded our clear calm communication system. The replacement of the outdoor digital marquee was recently approved and plans for the relocation of our video control room are currently in the design phase. Future projects included in our 2027 capital plan will focus on addressing water intrusion issues that have recently been identified. In addition, we will again be requesting funding for additional spotlights and a video wall to meet the growing demand for enhanced video production capabilities from artists and productions of all sizes. At this time, I would like to introduce Tom O'Keefe, our marketing and booking manager, who will speak to how our events are sourced, structured, and brought to life.

Thank you. So there are three primary deal structures under which we book events. The first is a building rental in which the venue assumes no financial risk. The second is a building purchase in which we act as promoters and assume full responsibility. And the third is a co-promotion with an outside promoter in which risk is shared. As I continue to explain how we book events, the slideshow will show a small sampling of the wide variety of artists that have played the arena over the years. Events come to us in a few different ways. Artist agents will reach out directly to gauge our interest and availability. Other times I proactively seek out opportunities. A significant portion of our programming involves show creation, which would be assembling multi-act packages that aren't necessarily touring together in that configuration. I will then approach artists individually and build the lineup myself. Many of the acts we work with are what the industry terms soft ticket acts, so those are performers who typically appear at fairs or festivals where admission is not specifically tied to seeing that artist. So by strategically combining several of these acts and positioning them as a standalone ticketed event, we can be more proactive rather than simply waiting for major national tours to become available. This is a crucial strategy because many of the largest touring acts operate under exclusive deals with national promoters like Live Nation and AG. They purchase entire tour runs and place them exclusively in venues that they own and operate, effectively removing independent venues like ours from consideration. The genres where we consistently perform well are classic rock, country, and Christian music. Our marketing approach typically involves a balance of radio and digital advertising. Radio buys are genre driven. On the digital side, we utilize social media advertising, mobile ads, and streaming platforms, both video and audio. Digital advertising allows us to target audiences with a high degree of precision, including age, gender, geographic location, and lifestyle interests. We still use print advertising where it's appropriate for the target demographic. Television advertising has become less of a focus due to rising costs, though we have shifted towards streaming-based television formats, both over-the-top services and connected television platforms, which deliver targeted ads at a lower cost than traditional broadcast while maintaining the same audience targeting capabilities of digital. In closing, the family arena is more than an events venue. It's a community asset that generates economic activity, supports county operations, and brings residents together, whether for a concert, a graduation, or children's shows. We're proud of what we have built over the last 26 years, and we remain committed to growing our impact for the residents of St. Charles County and the greater St. Louis region. We're grateful for the council councils continue support and we look forward to many more years of service to the community. Thank you.

Hold on a second County executive.

I want to know that that that George W Bush Bernie Sanders.

That's George W Bush.

All right, thank you very much.

Thank you anything else.

Well, we have questions.

Oh sorry. So back up.

This may be Bob question maybe for you Bob we've been talking about this for a long time now about naming rights. Where are we with getting I mean the family arena sounded great when George did it 30 years ago, but we've got to we've got to get some naming rights on this thing.

There's a work in progress with it right now. The RFP for naming rights went out, oh, Rob, what do you think, two months ago, something like that. We have responses back, and several companies were just non-starters. But we have two very solid companies lined up at this point. to talk to you about naming rights. They have secured naming rights in numerous types of venues, very similar to the family arena, all across the country. And these aren't just onesie-twosie kind of jobs that these folks have been successful with. We're talking hundreds. of venues that they've secured naming rights for. But when will we have a naming? We're looking at them right now. And I would hope within the next 30 days to have a recommendation to you. We need to talk to these people and just start that process. So we'll be doing that and having that. What naming rights ultimately wind up to be from the standpoint of revenue to us, is a matter of negotiation. Don't expect any numbers like you see downtown. What are the numbers downtown that we don't expect to see?

It's millions of dollars a year. What are we talking about? Hundreds. Okay, well it's 100,000 we haven't been getting for the past 30 some years.

Well, and there is some proprietary name recognition here to in the name family arena. Everybody in Saint Louis knows what the family arena is. So everyone who Riverport was too.

Well, absolutely.

But they know what the family arena is too. Sandy mentioned in her presentation, you know, we've had 9 million, over 9 million people in that building. And a lot of people come here to attend events at Family Arena every year. They're attending restaurants and local businesses before the show starts. And it does bring a level of commerce to the area as well. So we will be looking at these naming right opportunities and getting them to you. And we'll follow up. All we have right now are two proposals. And both of them have to be acted upon. The level of interest from them sending their information to us now has to be brought to the next level and make sure they're sincere about what they want to do and their interest here. So we'll be able to report back to you in the near future about that.

Okay. We've been spending a lot of money on improvements for the family arena. I know the marquee. We have.

There's been about $14 million worth of improvements that have gone into the family arena. over the last couple of years in the projects that Sandy mentioned in her comments. Of that $14 million, we are on the hook for $3 million of that. In the bond issue that was passed in 2025, we had a $3 million carve out there for the $14 million minus what we were getting from the shuttered venue operators grant that came out when covid hit and all the entertainment venue shut down we received like 3 million dollars there along with arpa and along with the well it was the cares the cares act money thank you for that so out of pocket we've been we're about 3 million dollars out on 14 million dollars worth of renovations that should last for the next couple of decades.

So what's our gross expenses and our gross income on Family Arena?

It varies from year to year. And so our gross is $3 million, $5 million a year, something like that. On a net basis are operating losses have generally been in the several $100,000 a year range so we've been losing 700,000 a year several 100,000 a year, but as I said in other conversations we've had about the family arena. It's not necessarily the mission of county government to to make a profit. Family arena is bringing something to this community that up till now has seen to be a value. And and we hope that that continues for a couple of $100,000 a year. We get a lot of bang for a buck and a lot of exposure to Saint Charles County and it's no different, you know the parks department doesn't make profit and we put 10's of millions of dollars of that in on the budget every year for the parks department. It's not our role to make a profit at the county at that at the public's expense and by and large we're holding our own there. But you know that's a discussion that I agree with you, but we should I think it should be our role to not lose money on it though. If we have we're successful in a fruitful naming rights. Proposal that we decide to go forward with that will help trim it yes. I don't know what that number is yet though I look forward to seeing that thank you any other question.

Seeing that thank you all thank you all for your presentation anything else from the county executive with that that will bring us to the consent agenda any items to be removed from the consent agenda. Motion to that that do I have a second second all those in favor. I any other items to be removed from the consent agenda. entertain a motion to approve the amended consent agenda motion to approve second motion is second all those in favor. I any opposed Mister Brazil will go to you for facilities.

On this particular. The the I assume this is is this hail damage on the slate roof that is correct and when so the head of the slate roof on this bill is the original roof, I assume right the majority of it has been repaired spot repaired over the years. So my question would be is on the insurance claim. Isn't it in fact to be replaced with like time that is correct. So why would we replace half of it not the whole thing because you're going to have shingles that are 200 years old on one side and new shingles on the other side why wouldn't we do a light can replacement with all new shingles and on this there are I assume the original slate or not synthetic correct. That is correct.

Okay, because the insurance company just identified what was damaged over the from the hailstorm itself.

But we've been through this before we've been through this before with the communications in the police department were paying insurance. and it's replaced with like kind it's not replace have to roof. It's not replace a quarter of the roof. It's replaced the roof when it's damage and if it's over 50% or actually if it's over 25% by NRCA it's supposed to be full replacement. I'm not positive on the total percentage of compared to the roof. Well it's not going to be $400,000 being less than 25% it's going to be more than because your bids are you got to bid at $723,000 for entire replacement and we're going with 404,000 and then you also have a bid for 334,000 not sure why that person got kicked maybe there's a reason for it.

Yes, they're they were not qualified to this type of job and they were out of state now they have a local office, however, all the projects that they submitted for us to compare to and call as references. None of them were even in about 200 miles of this area, most of them in Arizona, New York things like that. But there means and methods was just not correct.

I don't have I don't have a problem with the other companies, but I'm just asking the question is why why wouldn't we why would we patch it for $400,000 when its replacement like time. So we are are they doing when you pull it off we're going to put down a water and ice shield down. Yes, they're they're putting things underneath they're putting a member and underneath their 100% all the way through on the side what is it one side of the patch and holes are how you how we doing it. As far as when you say repair, is it is it per profile? Is it in patches? It's large areas. So it's not just, you know, the north side. So you realize when you do these slate shingles, shingles are 200 years old and you're going to go start popping a bunch of these off in different areas. And then you got guys walking around up there cracking the ones that it's not on the scoreboard to replace. I just don't know if that's a great idea. I don't know why we're not replacing the whole thing it just I don't understand that because we talked about this when we had that roof replacement with the police department and that they're doing repairs when it should be replacement like an entire roof. You guys went back and you did your job and they did replace the entire thing. I don't know why we're not doing that on this particular job.

Our risk managers did go back to our insurance company to request this and they were denied. They even actually requested additional funds, but it was denied.

I'm not going to support this. So, I mean, if you want to table it or if you guys want to vote, I'm going to vote no.

Are you making a motion to table, Joe?

If that's what you all want to do, I mean, I want to know why we haven't, why our risk management, why are we this, I mean, we have, we pay all this insurance. I mean, And we should get replacement value for what we're paying for. So anyway, I make a motion to table. I'll second.

The motion to table in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye. It is table. Yes, Sir.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you.

That will get us to bills for final passage starting with bill number 5489.

Bill number 5, 4, 8, 9, an ordinance amending the 2026 budget adopted as ordinance 25 dash here to as amended by transferring unencumbered appropriations between light items and the recorders fund budget of the Saint Charles County recorder of deeds.

Any questions or comments on this bill. Seeing none we call the roll.

Bill number 5489, an ordinance amending the 2026 budget adopted as ordinance 25-082 as amended by transferring unencumbered appropriations between line items in the Recorder's Fund budget of the St. Charles County Recorder of Deeds. Councilman Swanson, yes, ma'am. Councilman Brazel, yes. Councilman Hammond, yes. Councilman Elam, yes. Councilman Hollander, Councilwoman York, Councilman Baker, yes.

Bill 5, 4, 8, 9 passes up to bill 5, 4, 9, 0.

Bill number 5, 4, 9, 0 in ordinance and acting section 6, 6, 0 ordinances of St. Charles County, Missouri relating to short-term rentals.

This guy was in this bill. Mister Brad yeah, I can a couple comments and then make a motion to table. But first of all I want to address a couple things I grew this couple here talking about haven't PRBO is taking the worst house in the neighborhood. and fixing it up because that is basically what they're doing a 100% right on first time home buyer has taken the crappiest house on the street and fix it up making a nice and keeping mice. So your reviews are say good. The other gentleman criticizing our bill for not separate and keeping the one district out of it what that gentleman doesn't understand is a wine district is different. It's an 80 district agriculture tourism that's what that stands for we set up that way for a reason. The winery is the oldest winery district in the United States. That's another thing you don't understand. And so the fact is, is the bed and breakfast has been out there a long time with the wineries prior to any of our charterment and our amendments and anything to this county. And it's where it's been out there with the wineries and the business they have with the weddings and the vineyards and all this stuff. So it is different. So it should be treated different whether or not you agree with it. but being a republican at uc or i don't know why you're trying to make more and more rules because that's actually the opposite of what we're supposed to be doing and most of these ordinances that we have tonight are creating less liberties and freedoms which i do have a problem with quite a few of them on this one i understand the intent every time you do something like this there's always unintended consequences and like these other some of these other bills and so i i i'm going to make a motion to table because it does have some problems and we're going to have to i you guys talked about it we're going to have to soften it somehow but try to get to some kind of point where we're trying to accomplish whether or not i mean i you know there's our compromise here that i don't like this thing at all however I can see the council's trying to work with us to make it more agreeable so for that reason I like to make a motion to table it and readdress some of these issues.

Before you do that I had some good question for you the couple that came of it have you had a chance to read the bill you want to come up. I put what was there something in there that bothered you the most or.

Well, it was not understanding the $200 fee like we get it. We want it to be safe. We don't want to bother our neighbors. We understand the compromise, right? Like we care about that, but we're not sure about in the city of St. Charles, it just felt like a huge money grab. It was basically like $500 per property and our taxes doubled on our house on our properties. Um, and it was just, it was very gut wrenching whenever we're a small business trying to feed our Children and having a short term rental doesn't give us that opportunity. Hard to have a regular rental anyways. So we're just not sure what if it will be $200 on top or

By like how is that the city of the city is not account that's what separate if there is that the county fees just 200 OK if you're in the city of Saint Charles. There's no county fee.

I got just so separate okay cool I'm glad we got that figured out a lot of people don't understand I think we're over the city's city have power over their own boundaries we have unincorporated count good good good the other thing was okay so like I was just messaging with my head cleaner and there's other local people that live here that are invested in the community that have paid a lot of money to fix up these houses they have no idea this is happening nada And so, I mean, we were randomly notified by a random friend of a friend who sent us a link and we were like, what? Like, OK, that's why we're here tonight. So I don't know, maybe putting it out there more to where other people who are actually invested in our community who care about it who have short-term rentals could maybe come here and speak as well and we are also concerned with that like 600 foot buffer like I get that you don't want an Airbnb on every single like on every house like absolutely not right but like the people who are actually running these right now will they be grandfathered in will they be given the opportunity to actually you know they already put the money up there you know and so will they be given that opportunity so that's I think that was our that our main concern

That was a big one. There's already existing ones that are within that buffer. And that buffer is even farther than the restrictions that the St. Charles City put in, which some, I guess, liked it, but a lot thought it was a little heavy-handed as well.

But they were good things though too. I thought that it was good that like we went, I mean naturally we did this, we went to each neighbor and gave them our phone number so they actually have a human to speak to if anything ever does arise. We don't want bad things at our properties at all. We value our homes. So like that was good. We also learned very quickly that nightly stays are no good. I don't want parties. I want mom and dad who are in town for a soccer tournament. I want local business people who come and stay. A lot of our stays are people from the community that just want to come in closer. So anywho.

Just so you know, I'm not against timeshares because I go to one every year down in Florida for a month.

It's normal people like me and you who go and stay. Of course there's going to be bad actors. Anywhere you go that's going to happen.

And that's what we're that's what we're trying to do. That's why we're trying to prevent one night stays.

That's one thing that like we learned real fast that like I don't have a question real quick.

Mark if they have an existing VRBO.

I think grandfather from all this and now we're not not necessarily know they would still have to get licensed if they're within 600 feet of somebody else they should license quickly.

We have a thing we've already you're you're saying I want to understand this are you saying that if somebody beats into the licensing that they could it's going to put them out of business.

Effectively is the bills currently written.

Yes, that's a bummer right we put the

And that's something mainly for unincorporated St. Charles?

All we have jurisdiction over is unincorporated. We can't tell the cities what to do in an area like this.

And I understand that people in unincorporated may not want Airbnbs, but also at the same time, people in unincorporated don't necessarily move to unincorporated for more regulation as well.

And I think that was Mister Eno's point.

And just real quick one of the impetus behind this ordinance and I use this scenario if you have a cul-de-sac you have 10 homes and I live in that cul-de-sac in the 6 of them are Airbnbs I wouldn't want that would you want that nobody want that so we want to put some restrictions on stuff like that that is one of them the other one is the problem the ones we have problems with we have fights we have out of out of state The corporations that own it we can't get on the phone and call them and tell them hey you've got a problem here we need you to do something about it so unfortunately there are some unintended consequences like my council in Brazil brought up now we did have a work session on this but 2 weeks ago 3 weeks ago. And I know this has been in the post dispatch in the mid rivers magazine, but this whatever reason a lot of people just seem to find out about it last week and I and that but you know I'd be open to have a another work session to talk about this again, but

i think something needs to get done i mean i've got a lot of constituents that have had problems with with with short-term rentals i know it's not your not your place i'm sure is yours in the city or is it in unincorporated you are we have a number of them around but we have one that's not but tim some of the things you got to consider let's say they have four i don't know how many people let's have it four and they're all within 600 feet they've never run a great business so we're going to say we're going to let them get one permanent and the three of them got to go out of business that just isn't right i know we got to work this thing through but that's not right

Yeah, I would probably should be an appeal section in there for some somebody that pre existed before the ordinance.

I mean imagine if you go out and you buy a property that is dilapidated the grass is overgrown and you go you put a $100,000 into that with the full-on intent of the income that you can earn and then you're just stuck with the property that you're under water, I mean. All right, thank you.

One more thing I agree with the scenario that you came up with. Which scenario? You've got one in your cul-de-sac. If you draw 600 feet around that, you might not even be in your neighborhood anymore. You might have one, honestly, fairly far away, different neighborhood. That's something to consider. Yes, you don't want it in your cul-de-sac again, and I agree with that, but 600 feet is a long way away to where there could be one 300 feet away, and you wouldn't even know that other one's over there.

Thank you miss what yeah with the email of Mister Brazel sent us with. Proposed changes new information has come forth in the past 48 hours almost I do think would be wise have another work session on this that way councilmember York will be here as well since she is a co-sponsor of that so we can make sure that maybe happens even at our next meeting. I think that'd be great.

Any of the discussion on this. Mister yes.

Yeah, just been having a side sidebar here with our with our attorney in my in my question and I'm going to ask what if you don't vote on this tonight.

Mister president is going to read the table redo his motion to table. I just didn't want to entertain that.

So what you're going to do yes, if you do table it. Thank you you told me you they look at this somewhat it seems to me that if Mr. Brazel's concern, if somebody already has a business there, and you can go ahead and change the amount of money they have to pay, that's not a zoning ordinance. But when you tell them if they're not first in line, they lose their right, that is zoning, and I think they would be grandfathered in as a prior existing use, and now you can determine how much they have to pay, but I don't think you can But anyway. Rather than rather than me thinking about it, I think that we ought to get some legal.

And I did approach that subject on grandfather and then I think I sent it to the council yeah didn't get much response.

Okay, that's I haven't been thinking about like you know, but I mean for scenarios like these folks, I mean.

you know we don't want to put people out of business that have been running a short-term rental that making probably want to take care of the problem areas.

Mark I would say before you weigh in on that I feel like the Council just judging by this we're going to table is anyway so rather than you take a step that you may not feel comfortable taking right now I want to go ahead and motion table. All those in favor. I oppose.

I was going to ask Mister Bosco question possible. He's the other reason why I think we need a table you had to to complain that the first one is what about the reverse situation where you're paying somebody to come in and babysit your kids or something that was just an example it does say you have to wrap for compensation. So So yeah, if you paid a house that are house has to be paid something. I don't think it would apply with the owner of the house paying somebody else to come in for some period of time. I see what you're saying. Okay. But then you had a second.

My second example would call.

Your second example I think was a little tougher.

The second example was imagine you had a kid that goes away to school and they come back for spring break and you want to charge them some rent for the week that they're home because you know what they're an adult now and they ought to pay some rent. That would be a short-term rental under this bill. I don't think that's the intention. That seems ridiculous. But a plain wording, it doesn't make any distinction between whether the owner is living there or not.

Is he a minor or is he over 18?

Bill doesn't care.

As much as I would love to entertain this discussion, it's been tabled, so we're moving forward at this point. Thank you, Tony.

The last thing I would say, if you've got some language...

So now we move on to bill 5491.

Bill number 5491 an ordinance amending sections to 10.1 of 5 and to 10.1 10. Ordinances of Saint Charles County Missouri relating to the sale and use of fireworks and unincorporated Saint Charles County.

This bread. Yes, we've talked with Mike and some of the other council members. This is a complicated bill. We have horses and stuff I'm not really in favor of it. but I understand it. So we need to do some adjusting to this we need to talk to some of the fireworks vendors and this fire marshal and I think he's going to add some different language because some of the stuff that we already have in here already in state law and so But we're not our police officers and so forth are trained to know I'm not knowing how do you know how many M G's or whatever the stuff is and they're talking about these fireworks shoot way up in the air and have no color up and it is make huge bombs is that that's what we're talking that's it. So but this needs to be worked on because we don't need to please going out and have a look through people's fire works display and all that nonsense because I love our session of all the time, but. Not all the time, of course, we have an ordinance.

It was allegedly that is a matter of speech. Yes, the matter anyway motion the table that yeah, well, yeah, before we do that just to piggyback on your point we're working with the folks who have the largest fireworks. area here with the tents and and freestanding so we're talking with them because it turns out when we put this out there are some things in the current fireworks code that they say to just like we're talking about short term rentals, they're bad actors in everything and these folks would like to clear up some language to stop some bad actors who are in the fireworks industry. So I think we may be able to come to something that's going to be good for everybody so with that I say it again. Joe our motion to table please and second all those in favor. I any of those that bill is table that will get us to 54.92.

Bill number 5, 4, 9, 2, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement relating the mutual aid for building and code services between the county of Saint Charles on behalf of the community development department and municipalities within the county.

Any questions or comments on this bill. Seeing none to call the roll.

Bill number 5, 4, 9, 2, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement relating to mutual aid for building and code services between the County of Saint Charles on behalf of the community development department and municipalities within the county. Councilman Brazel, yes. Councilman Hammond, yes. Councilman Elam, yes. Councilman Hollander, Councilwoman Newark, Councilman Baker, yes. Councilman Swanson, yes ma'am.

Bill 5, 4, 9, 2 passes up to bill 5, 4, 9, 3.

An ordinance bill number 5, 4, 9, 3 an ordinance amending sections contained within the title 6 business and occupation chapter 6, 0, 5 of the ordinances of Saint Charles County Missouri revising sections 6, 0, 5, 0, 10, 6, 0, 5, 0, 40, 6, 0, 5, 0, 70, 6, 0, 5, 0, 80, 6, 0, 5, 1, 20, 6, 0, 5, 1, 30, 6 of 5.1 40 all concerning the private watchman and security guards licensing.

Questions or comments on the current is this on you. You got a couple questions for you remember you may not remember this is before your time but back in the day we used to have security out of the wineries a lot. When it was. I can't remember who the sheriff was not maybe stressed out starter whatever his name was was no salter yeah. And then when it came in, they changed it to no police, no service of alcohol. And then we went back and forth, went back and forth. Would this allow the wineries to have some kind of security or some kind of law enforcement in the October days?

This strictly deals with private security watchmen and licensed security officers, not police.

OK, so they did do that. They hired security firms that were commissioned.

And is that going to allow them if they want to do that nothing changes what they're allowed to do and not to do so I don't know that this ordinance forbids them from working in wineries if if the winery wants to hire private security company they could do that.

Wasn't there someone showing it happened with that I mean the sheriff's alters did not allow sheriff's deputies to work as bouncer's where there was alcohol. because of the look of it but then they hired them outside firms and then there was some well they were hiring from some small jurisdictions in north st louis county and there were some concerns about how patrons were being handled But for a number of years, I believe that it was acceptable if it was secondary, but I think most of them have gone to private security is my understanding.

All right, so you did, yeah, okay.

Yeah, this just streamlines the process we have now. I get a lot of complaints from the companies and hospitals that have assets on both sides of the river because it's two different licenses, and our process right now is pretty convoluted, and we're just streamlining it.

I got you, okay, thank you.

Okay.

Any of the questions about chief you may want to stay up.

I thought you're going to ask him that question. You you good right now, yeah, okay. Please call the roll.

Bill number 5493, an ordinance amending sections contained within the Title VI Business and Occupation Chapter 605 of the Ordinances of St. Charles County, Missouri, revising section 605.010, 605.040, 6 of 5.0 70 6 of 5.0 80 6 of 5, 1, 2, 1.1 20 6 of 5.1 30 6 of 5.1 40 all concerning the private Watchman and security guards licensing. Councilman Hammond, yeah, how many of them yeah, Councilman Hollander comes woman York Councilman Baker, yes, Councilman Swanson this man has been Brad Harris.

Bill 5, 4, 9, 3 passes that gets us to 5, 4, 9, 4.

The number 5, 4, 9, 4, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute intergovernmental agreements relating to mutual aid and assistance for the upcoming 2026 people World Cup matches and associated events that are scheduled to occur in Kansas City, Missouri from June through July of 2026 questions or comments.

Seeing none, please call the roll.

Bill No. 5494, an ordinance authorizing the County Executive to execute intergovernmental agreements relating to mutual aid and assistance for the upcoming 2026 FIFA World Cup matches and associated events that are scheduled to occur in Kansas City, Missouri from June through July of 2026. Councilman Elam. Yes. Councilman Hollander. Councilwoman York. Councilman Baker. Yes. Councilman Swanson. Yes, ma'am. Councilman Brazel. Yes. Councilman Hammond.

Yes. Bill 5494 passes. Last bill for the evening is Bill 5495.

Bill number 5, 4, 9, 5, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute intergovernmental agreements with political subdivisions and their respective law enforcement agencies regarding the transmission receiving and dissemination of the information captured through the use of license plate readers as for approved law enforcement purposes.

Chief you mind. So correct me if I'm wrong and I know the flock cameras there's been some benefits I remember the home invasion.

Can I stop you for just a second and add something. Go ahead, these are not plot cameras. What's your blocks of brand yeah flock is a brand it's a 3rd party entity. These are not plot cameras, these are owned by Saint Charles County.

So can you explain how they work and what all I guess there's I've heard some people concerned about you know the

ticket on running a red light now they're not that they don't mind the red light say if if someone commits a crime. Mostly only level some class a Mister mere level crime. Investigators can hear that played into the system and when the pastor license plate reader it will activate the Rick will get that dispatched out to officers in the area put it out as FYI and then all usual if they run the car though they'll make a stop But they give updates where the car is the most recent example good example that I have we make high quality arrest every week with these things. We we got a murder suspect on. 364 about 2 months ago and within 2024 hours before that he committed a murder in Georgia. The Georgia officials of the skater put it in a block sister or the LPR system of flock LPR system and we got hit we're able to get that subject in custody.

what is it was that the same camera used when we caught that home invader in uh wing haven yes yeah so i mean it seems like you have a pretty good handle and you think this is a it's a great investigative tool nobody is sitting there monitoring nobody's watching it's not big brother watching it's if your plates entered in the system uh as wanted as an active wanted for a felony

or possibly class a misdemeanor, then it'll trigger the system if you pass through a license plate reader. We also get numerous sexual offenders in our county parks every month. They're not allowed to be in the parks, but they'll hit the license plate reader and we'll get it indicated that there's a sexual sex offender in the park and we can make that arrest.

So are these, what Brian was saying, are these, these are not a vendor owned camera? Or they don't know they're only they're not they're owned by off their own by the county who manages the information.

The wreck does your Rick, yeah, the real-time crime center.

So the information is only transmitted to St. Charles County. This is it offered out to other agencies.

So that's what this agreement is so if say Wentzville that they want to get access to only like Lake St. Louis and found because that's on the side of them they may not want St. Charles City because that's pretty far away. So they they're going to pick and choose what the license plate reason want access to to to get hits so who else is a go to like. As we go to the FBI now now just local just yes just to record the local PD correct.

So okay, so. If there was this is going to be a hard question for you. I'm about to dream up a scenario that I want you to after was somebody in control of this camera and they were doing some mischievous would they be able to do that.

To an investigator.

But yeah, like look up, let's say they some spouses have an affair this or that and use it for investigative services that have nothing to do with a crime.

There's an audit there's an audit trail to this.

Well explain that.

So let me let me touch on that I I know as much about this, I'm sure. So the answer to your question is no. So all that this agreement does, now let me say a couple of things. This doesn't add any cameras. It doesn't do anything else. These agencies are already getting this information. They're just getting it from the RIC. And what they're asking to do is eliminate the middleman and allow those hits to go directly to the agency. But all they're getting are those hits with those license plates that have been entered into the system. This agreement does not allow for any historical lookups or to track any plate in real time. If they want to do that, they have to go through the RIC. that Rick has an audit trail protections are in place that make sure your scenario does not happen.

Yeah, the thing is is that after code with the county is cold, but nobody just government more than one of them, but I just I just always I believe your intentions are true your intentions are good, but I just always worry about that person who doesn't have 2 intentions, you know and it's like a violation of our freedom and freedoms and liberties and so it doesn't always make me nervous no question about it.

The flock things I know a lot more about those now I've never reported this is a block and that's why we're asking for this agreement it puts those protections in place so that if something like that were to happen with him immediately cut off the access and they lose access all what one of the questions that comes up is how long does this data get stored.

And that's that's one of the things that you hear about.

Right now, I believe our retention is 90 days.

90 days. Yeah. But you're not retaining any kind of data. You're just entering a license plate where someone was accused or committed a crime, and that's the only data you have.

And if that investigation hasn't started for 90 days, it won't be in the system anymore. Correct.

So if it expires or whatever? Yeah. I got you. Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir.

I think, I don't want to put words in, but I think Mr. Braz is referring to the same sort of problem as potentially the regents.

correct, correct, any law enforcement database.

That's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime. One more question. So Chief, what you're saying is, I heard you say they audit these? Yes. Who audits them?

Well, I'm not familiar with the audit process, but there is an audit mechanism built into this, so there's accountability. Who is it, Brian?

It's the RIC. Yeah, so it's built within the RIC. Yes. The supervisors... They audit every entry and every search, but understand that what we're talking about here does not include any search function. It's only the live hits when those plates hit the camera when they go by, so that officers in those jurisdictions are aware that there's a potential violent felon that just passed right by them. That's the only information they're getting. They can't log on to the system. They can't go back and look at where that plate was over the last 30 days. They only get the live hits.

Yes. If you have questions about the wreck, I encourage all of you to go take a tour. It's amazing what you can do. One more time. We have people over there. One more time.

You just to be clear here it does not scan any other plate and a place is entered into the computers are correct.

No, it scans every vehicle that passes the camera plate, but it only hit that one that have been entered only hits the ones are correct or so they won't get notifications of anything other than the wanted vehicles. They don't have access to that information it reads the plate, but nothing happens unless it's triggered by a by an entry and again that infrastructure is already in place. We're not asking to add anything. It's just in how we share the information because it's already being shared.

Yes, sir. Using technology to be more effective. We have them on vehicles and everything else in their license plate readers. That's what they're doing. So when that goes by, it's not some camera that's zooming in on you driving or anything else. And it's for real-time hits where we have something bad going on. We can get that person off the street as soon as possible and let the other jurisdictions know within St. Charles County how this MOU is written.

that they put in there and we can get them quick that's correct yeah all right one last question what is so this is the third time you've said one last question i know it is but i don't want to understand this you said the rick r-i-c yeah regional information intelligence center which we're partners in with st louis county So who is monitoring this wreck is in Saint Charles County of St. Louis we have we have that scary to investigators over there and then St. Louis County staff as well so you're all set in the same room together that's during this monitor process correct.

They're monitoring a lot more they're not just modern the license plate readers they've got cameras and all over the region that are there monitoring but they're doing investigations they're not just watching people but they're watching events for public safety reasons large-scale events so they're watching a lot of different things and then also they might get an alert on license plate reader hit and then they'll they'll validate that first and then before they dispatch it.

Any more questions to one life but I'm good. Okay.

So with that I would call the roll number 5, 4, 9, 5, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute intergovernmental agreements with political subdivisions and their respective law enforcement agencies regarding the transmission receiving and dissemination of the information captured to the use of license plate readers for approved law enforcement purposes. Councilman Hollander Councilwoman York Councilman Baker, yes. Councilman Swanson, yes, ma'am Councilman Brazel, yes. Councilman Hammond, yes. Councilman Elam, yes.

Bill 5, 4, 9, 5 passes that wraps up bills for final passage we have no bills for introduction that gets us to announcements and miscellaneous anything from the council.

Yes, Mister Bob just want to since Tom and Mary came here to talk about the work on heritage. You know we've just we've just had a lot of problems with this contractor and it's not no fault of the county highway department we got the low better and sometimes it's low quality and I think that's what we've got I think they've been off more than they can to my opinion. But I think we're at the point now where there's been a year that we need to seriously look at pulling their performance bond. I mean every contractor submits a performance bond and we need to maybe look at that pulling it and get somebody in there like a reputable contractor to come and finish it. I mean this has been going on. I've been receiving a lot of complaints. Things that are supposed to be sodded are seeded and there's no timetable when they're going to be thought it and just a plethora of issues and I think I'm done dealing with this contractor, I think it's time to pull the performance bond to get a contractor in there to do it so that's my 2 cents on the heritage.

Yes, I like to have a 10 saying because we we are aware of other projects to have certain specs were supposed to be signed but there should see the strong that's up to the county to do the inspections that's up to you guys to make sure you're doing a good job and doing what's bid And if you're not going to get cheated and so if this thing's been going on for a year that's completely unacceptable what 10 that's unacceptable.

Well this one did have the water line break that we all remember when there was a year ago that was a year ago, I mean that there's no excuse I think I think you know being in the in this business for 36 years, I think what happened is that they just they got overwhelmed with the scope and they can they can't. They they can't they don't have the horses to do it so but their their performance bond let's get the forces to do it I'm serious we're I'm tired of it, I mean I get more complaints and we shouldn't have these I mean we hired a consultant to manage this on a day-to-day basis. It's not being done. And we've just got too many problems that we just need to get that sign and I appreciate Rob Rob's been working on this diligently is just that time to quit talking about it time to start doing so that's my comments.

With that I would like to give kudos to Kevin Killeen and his folks for putting together a excellent Memorial Day program yesterday out of veterans tribute part that is every time I get the opportunity to go out there. Just kudos to our parks department for all the great parts that we have but that one in particular, I'm a big fan of I know we're getting ready to do the grand reopening I guess kinetic part and that would maybe it but for a Memorial Day celebration. This one was fantastic, although I told the county executive I think perhaps we should invest in doing a cover over there because my lack of hair led to a pretty good sunburn on my head by sitting there yesterday so a hat would have been a good investment yesterday, but March mid spoke. A great speaker, former Vietnam veteran who did two terms. His job was going in and pulling out folks who were in hot LZs and getting them out like he told the story of an admiral who'd been shot down and they went and pulled him out of a place behind enemy lines. great stories I know we had wonderful programs around the county yesterday I got to attend 3 of them. They all did a great job with their city so it's a wonderful County where we continue to honor veterans but honor those yesterday was all about like Billy Ray Cyrus is song said all gave some but some gave all yesterday was really all about the some. who gave all and it's great to live in a county that continues to honor those folks and especially thinking of those families like Mark Schmitz and Jared's family who is left in Collins family to I think there are 2 recent young Marines that we lost so yes, sir.

Yeah, I walked in this morning, and Brian White, who's one of our excellent carpenters, was working, and I talked to him a little bit, and he told me that he was at our program the other day, and he was very impressed with you and how you helped our 18 veterans who were praying for us, and he got over there and helped me before he fell down.

He gets He did what Tommy Tommy Shaw actually caught Larry's Larry's a great guy he's with American Legion post 3.12 here and he was got caught in the sun took a number on him yesterday and yeah we were able to help him out so it was good. That's very kind of him well, thank you everybody for everything you've done take a motion to dismiss motion.

Second that all those in favor.

We are adjourned.