Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good to go. Thanks. Uh calling January 26 uh planning commission meeting to order. Um can we start with a roll call? Commissioner Corey here. Commissioner Franco here. Commissioner Hall. Vice Chair Sandridge here. Commissioner Kesler here. Commissioner Ramirez here. Chair Garcia here. Please stand for the flag salute.

Ready to salute to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, and justice for all.

Okay. Um, during the public hearing, I will ask first for staff's comments and reports on the items being discussed. After staff's presentation, I will then open the hearing to public testimony. I will then close the public meeting, at which time no member of the public shall address the commission unless specifically asked by members of the commission through the chair. The planning commission will then discuss the matter amongst themselves and take actions on the items items being considered. When on the phone, if you wish to address council during the public comment portion of the agenda, press nine to raise a hand and we will select you from the meeting queue. Press six to unmute, I'm sorry, star 9 and star six to unmute and mute mute yourself. [clears throat] Potential conflicts of interest. Any commissioner who has a potential conflict of interest may now identify the item and recuse themselves from discussing and voting on the matter. Okay. Oral communications notices to the public. At this time, any member of the public may address the commission regarding any item over which the commission has jurisdiction. No action or discussion will take be taken on any item that is not on the agenda. Issues raised will be referred to the chairperson for review. Members of the public shall limit their remarks to three minutes. Hi, Joan Nelson, 1058 Mil Street. Is can we speak now regarding the subdivision that you're planning? Okay.

No, this is for things that are not on the agenda. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Stella Romero, Selma, California. I just wanted to um address that Commissioner Hall's name is not on the agenda and I don't I didn't hear when he said here when the name call roll call was um asked it. It's not on the there's a correction agenda that uh the correct agenda is the name was being corrected for uh SIOS which is Ramirez and so uh there was an oversight on ours our part so I can update that for you. Oh but Hall correct that includes

Hall thank you

on the amended agenda he is on it and and I can see him so we're good. Okay. Consent calendar. All items listed on the under the consent calendar considered routine. The complete consent calendar will be uh enacted by one motion by roll call vote. For purposes of discussion, any commission member may have an item removed from the consent calendar and made part of the regular agenda. The commission can then approve the remainder of the consent calendar. Uh first item is consideration and necessary action on the minutes of November 13, 2025. here. Okay.

Miam, we've noticed a um possible error on the ME meeting minutes. Um for the first item, um um Commissioner Cury did vote yes, but her name is not listed. and Commissioner Kesler also voted yes. Do we have a movement to approve with the uh noted corrections?

Need a second. A second. Can we do a roll call vote, please? Commissioner Kesler, yes. Commissioner Ramirez, yes. Commissioner Corey, yes. Commissioner Franco, yes. Commissioner Hall, yes. Vice Chair Stand, yes. Chair Garcia,

yes. Okay, our second item is a tentative subdivision map and annexation prezone lavvenia track 6514. Um, can we get uh staff to do their presentation?

Uh, sure. Uh, Garcia. Yes, we have um consultant uh Jerome King going to present on for staff and we're going to go ahead and pull up the presentation. Give us one second. Good evening, commission. Um before you is uh plan 2511 which as the chair chairman stated is a 237 lot subdivision uh tenative subdivision map and uh annexation and prezone of uh 82 acres. The subdivision itself is approximately 53 acres. So next slide please. Uh the applicant is Joe Crown of Crown Homes uh with the property owners of Melvin Alves and uh I believe Harender Singh Harvey Singh. Um the property is located on uh generally on either side of Rose Avenue, north and south side of Rose Avenue near uh or west of uh Amber Avenue and north of Roen. Um, as I stated, the proposed subdivision is about 53 uh gross acres with the subdivision area being a little bit larger at 82 acres, which we have a a

slide for that. Next slide, please. [snorts] So, as you can see, um, the annex, uh, the subdivision area shown in red, um, is directly adjacent to the city limits to the west. Uh it's adjacent to the proposed um Rose Avenue subdivision, which I believe is about uh 40 plus uh lots to the to the west on north of Rose Avenue. Um with the annexation area shown in the crosshatch uh about 82 uh acres to create a nice uh logical boundary for services, which is what the Fresno uh local agency formation commission generally prefers. Uh, next slide, please. Or actually, um, I'll go into it, but, um, the proposed subdivision, as I stated, is 237 Sandville family residential lots. As part of that subdivision, you have two neighborhood parks totaling approximately 4.3 acres. Uh, you have an associated storm drain basin and the associated infrastructure uh, sewer water connections uh, proposed as part of the sub uh, subdivision and it is within the existing sphere of influence. Uh, next slide, please. Uh here's uh you know a general layout of the subdivision uh with access from Rose Avenue, Amber Avenue, and Roen Avenue with the local uh internal uh streets that have some um traffic control shown on the inside to kind of break up the ability of people to drive higher speeds within that subdivision. Uh the lot sizes range from about 5,000 square feet with um some of the pro uh more prominent sizes being about 6200 square ft with some as large as 9,000 square ft within the subdivision. Next slide, please. Um the general plan is actually low and

medium low density residential uh with the proposed pre-zoning of R14, which is a 4,000 foot minimum uh lot size. Uh the R14 zone district does allow larger um you know lots to be proposed and that's why the applicant has proposed 5,000 square foot lots. He doesn't have to build 4,000 uh as uh under that zone, but it is allowed and it does allow him to meet the density prescribed in the general plan and uh all parts of his project. That's why you see minimum lot sizes kind of range from 5,000 to 6,6200 and like I said you have some in the 8 800 9200 square foot range as well. Uh next slide please. Uh the project um ex uh is being processed as uh exempt under the California Environmental Quality Act um for consistency with the general plan and zoning densities and in a prior EIR uh previously analyzed these land use designations for the proposed development and the applicant has carefully crafted the project to be within the densities allowed at the general plan. Uh under the 15183 exemption, um it explicitly mandates that no environmental additional environmental review be required uh if a project is um within the density ranges uh previously analyzed in the general plan and there are no new new significant or uh unique impacts associated with the project. uh staff worked with uh uh the environmental consultant to craft a substantiation memorandum that walks through all the impacts that are identified under SQA and outlines that no uh significant um new impacts have been identified uh as part of the project that weren't analyzed under the general plan uh programmatic EI. Next slide please. So, um, staff's recommendation, uh, for

this project is, uh, that the planning commission recommend approval to the city council of tenative trackmap 6514, uh, that does consist of a 237 lot residential subdivision uh, with the attached conditions of approval as well as recommend approval of the annexation and prezone uh, to R14 of the 82 acres uh, area shown. Um the one thing I would add is there's also a detachment um from the Fresno County uh fire protection district that would accompany any annexation to the city. So that would be part of your recommendation as well. Uh lastly, uh staff is recommending that the planning commission recommend uh that the project be found to be exempt under the section uh 15183 uh exemption uh consistency with the uh zoning community plan or general plan. um uh due to the project meeting the densities prescribed in the general plan and the certified programmatic EIR. So staff's available for questions. Um thanks um that was staff's presentation. I will now open the hearing to public testimony. Uh please state your name and your address and if uh you are going to be held to three minutes for your comments.

Thank you, Joan Nelson, 1058 Mil Street. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Um, I don't usually open my planning commission emails, but I think God was telling me I needed to open it. Um, we live on Mil Street. We basically call our area the Merian subdivision. They were all custom homes. We chose our lots. We paid for those. We chose our engineering of our plans. We paid for those. And we play paid for our custom home builders. We've worked hard to get there. We've worked our whole life to get to a nice quiet neighborhood in Selma. There's probably three upscale subdivisions in Selma. These these cars will going will be going right by Roarden. Those are the biggest custom homes in our area. I don't think it's fair to them. They didn't pay for that. It's going to be a thorough fair back and forth, back and forth. Um I'm really concerned about the value of our homes going down. So, thank you for your time. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to address the commission?

My name is Joseph Crown, the owner of Crown Homes. And while I can appreciate uh custom home building and the guess attitude of not in my backyard, we we don't we don't want to be the builder that comes in and builds a bunch of cracker boxes and creates problems. Okay. I've got uh 500 lots in Fowler, got 44 customs in Kingsburg I'm doing and 80 in Dauba. All of our homes come with quality and affordability. Yes, there's going to be some traffic. There always is when you build developments, but the city of Selma has has not had development here for several years and there's been a pent-up demand of, you know, people that want to come home. Maybe kids want to come live closer to their parents. There's no available housing. So what we want to do is we want to bring a great product here, a quality product, affordable product, and be a good neighbor. I would appreciate your, you know, your blessing on this project. It's going to take several years to build the 237 houses. The way LAFCO works is they decide what acreage they want. It's not up to me, it's up to them. So they're saying we want 80 acres. So like I said, this is going to be a several year project and I would appreciate your blessing. I'm a local builder with local tradesmen, local contractors, and we buy all of our materials locally. Thank you.

Good evening everyone. My name is Harvey Singh. I live west of the freeway on Danny Bay Avenue by the airport. I happen to be the owner of two of those three parcels that were Jerome discuss. One being up to Roden, the old Blake Ranch. Anybody who might lived here long enough may know Richard Blake and the other one's across the street on the north side, the old Gulian ranch, Robert Gulians, and then it backs up to Robert Elves. Uh just like everybody else, we've been here a long time, 50 plus years in the valley and in this particular part. Alex McDonald was my godfather from Emac Packing and I kind of grew up in that area. And I know Roden is somewhat of a concern and can be, but at the end of the day, Roden only goes to Amber at a dead end. So I don't see a lot more. There'll be some traffic, don't get me wrong. At the end of the day, it's not going to be massive traffic on Roden, but the frontage being occupied by the park and homes. The only the majority of the traffic is going to be on roads, which is a major thorough affair from Selma all the way to Reedley. And it's a heavily tra Travis and quite frankly you're going to have your share of traffic but at the end of the day you've got a we development to keeping Selma the way it is. You want to keep Selma the way it is that's fine but at the end of the day I don't think they brought in the sewer lines and I don't think they brought in all the infrastructure for us and Serian to the north of me on Floral and Del Rey just to keep Selma there. It's meant to grow. Now certainly the style of housing that Joan had said was way different 30 40 years ago than today. And then God knows what's going to happen 30 years down the road. So we cannot you know use that as basis of argument that hey I want a pristine landscape. I want pristine gardens and pristine neighborhood when the rest of it I think I don't know Mr. Crown. I know I'm selling the property to him. I take his word that those are going to be not cracker box houses. They should be good houses. At the end of the day, there's

going to be some give and take, but I think they'll be surprised. It's going to be a good project with us with my neighbors Gulian and then one next to Rose Ban have sooner or later that area has to develop. You didn't pay for that main trunk just to sit on it. Okay. And we would appreciate that everything be decided not just one attitude or one uh need or one desire. What what's good for summer? What's good for bringing in more people? What's good for bringing more business? was good for bringing in more revenues in more generation. We can't be stagnant. We've been stagnant way too long. My life is always come and gone. Here's the next generation. He'll benefit. I'll I'll see some changes, but he'll benefit because we waited awfully long when in this uh venture out there. Myself, I'm selfish. Yeah, those are our lots, but my neighbors elves, my neighbors Banus, everybody else is hoping and wanting development. If you're going to develop, that would be a nice area to develop. nice homes would complement, I think, what they've got going on there. Not to devalue the property, but hopefully to maintain the property, but also maintain the infrastructure and the improvements and the need for more houses and the need for more revenue. At the end of the day, that's what pays the city and and it citizens, not not, you know, holding back like we have been. This is probably the worst city to develop till now. is 1076 Mill Street. I usually don't get up and talk to these people. Huh? You hear me? Yeah.

So, so Greg, would you allow this in your if you still live there? Would you, Lewis? 4,000 square feet lots. Ours is what, 10,000? And he says he wants to be hopeful it's going to be kept up nice. It's not going to happen, bro. It's going to be garbage. Garbage homes on our side of town that's supposed to be custom houses in that lot, not track homes. If that happens, I'm moving. She've been here her whole life. I've been here 35 years. I've live in this town. Why don't you go build it by your house, Dennis, or your house? You don't even live here, probably. That's BS what you guys are doing. You're going to devalue my home. You wouldn't like it if you live there. I know it. And you don't like it. I hope you don't like it. Don't sell it. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Dennis Bleian, 2489 Country Club Lane. First of all, I want to start off by saying that I don't at all by any means dispute the quality of the homes that custom um developer could build. The problem is timing. I think it's the wrong project at the wrong time. We have a major development taking place in Selma for the first time in many years. I've been a resident in Selma most of my life. And I think that um if you bring in more housing, you're ultimately going to impact the potential that the current development has. We have brought in a national developer into our community is going to build multiple u phase development and when you impact the nucleus of that development ultimately it's going to unwind the

opportunity for growth in Selma. There's a formula builders have to invest and there's a big cost. This current development that's taking place has if you've been in the area and traveled uh and seen what's taking place, they're widening the streets, putting in a ponding basin, parks, um a lot of activity. They do that based upon a formula of a certain footprint to offset those costs. When you bring in now new development in a different part of town, you're impacting that formula. And ultimately, what happens? you are now unjustly burdening the de the buyers of that development [clears throat] because if they change the formula and have a smaller enumerator, a smaller footprint, they're only going to pass those costs to the buyers. And it's unfairly um burden burdening the the development and and the buyers of that project because uh that was not anticipated when they first moved in. What we're doing by considering this development is compromising the integrity of our city by now luring in an a developer and now considering changing the whole game plan and looking elsewhere for development. I'm for growth. I am a land owner in the valley. I've been farming here for for a very long time and growth is good but the timing of this particular growth is bad because what we have done now is what we're doing now is sending a message to the investors stakeholders that you really can't rely on the word of the city because they're

not really um on the same page as to what the future and the u uh the commitment they make. Thank you. Uh your time is up.

Thank you. I push a but uh good evening David Bleakian 1064 Roordan. I live on Roden. I agree with uh the last speaker's comments. You have a project now being developed. Why do we have to vote on this today? Let them build. Let's get the flavor of the demand for housing in Selma. These houses, the the lots being built now, the square footage. Let's see how they do to gauge development for this project. Also, I think equally important is the uh Miss Nelson's my neighbor. I think my neighbors are here. You have certain houses, lots, square footage in the area. Wouldn't it? And I live on Roen. I'm not concerned about traffic. If it's a small house or a big house, there's cars that going to come and go. But wouldn't you want houses that match the environment? When I'm when I'm across the street, I see a house that looks similar square footage. I don't What are the square footage of these homes? Uh I I understand that they're a lot smaller than the houses in this area. Why not continue development started one day on Roen in this area? Some of the approved houses that we live in with these square feet. Why don't we expand that in this area? Since you have houses with X size, why not build that and expand that to have more of these types of homes going down the area? Why shift now where you have these

homes in this spot, now you have homes of a much different size that doesn't match? That's what I don't understand. Let's vote today for homes of the same quality. But even that, let's wait. Let this other developer in Selma succeed. Let's see how he does and not flood the market. And then if based on his demand and his growth, then we'll readjust this. Thank you. Good evening. Uh, I live in 1089 Evergreen Street. Uh, my name is Alicio Zinea. Uh, I'm one of the original owners. We had the house built in 95. Uh, we bought that lot because we thought that general area like Garcia, Franco, we all bought that era, general area cuz we thought, you know, that whole area of the community was going to be at that same caliber of homes. We lived at the Raven Homes. I mean, don't get me wrong, there were nice there were nice homes, too. But I just think the the concept of it right now. I think I think it's like they're saying it's too many homes. We got the whole other subdivision over there going. We got this one back here that they want to build. We haven't heard no prices. We only heard square footage. Uh Mr. Crown says he is building custom homes. Or is he building track homes in Kingsburg? Is it track or

they're semicustom? Uh what value are we talking about? Well, let's say uh they'll be between 2500 cost.

Hey, that that's what I'm saying. If we're doing that caliber of uh homes in Kingsburg, if Kingsburg's doing it, why can't Sama do it? So, we need to stay in that general traffic concept. I mean, uh I want to stay in Sama, but like you know, a lot of us are thinking like, man, do we do we gota do we got to bounce out here? We got to move. I do want to move to San Diego. Don't get me wrong. You know, that might be in the future with the kids, but as of right now, I'm looking at that, you know, our living trust. That home is set up for our our kids. It's set up already and hopefully for the grandkids. We're setting a foundation for them for for their future to just just to move on, to do something better. So, I just think right now it's too much, too quick. We got that subdivision over there. I think that general error is going to go all to Wilson School. Wilson school right now is a small school. Uh we volunteer a lot there. We know all the kids. We we know all the teachers. I think it's too much too quick. And the 4,000 square foot of lots that's like shoot, you know? I mean, how custom can you get, you know? It it sounds ridiculous in that amount. I mean, I think minimum maybe 7,000 square foot lots and go from there. Let's let's keep the the value of Selma. I mean, we all want homes. I know it's going to grow, but let's keep the value of some of the the general income. I mean, you build and people move there is going to be of the value of the home. So, I mean, you're going to get people buy a $500,000 home. They're going to have some semi type of decent income that's going to generate more uh business for the communities. And I think that's just a better idea concept. So, I think we uh need to slow it down and let's focus on the other subdivision and and move on from there in the future. Thank you.

Terresa Solless, 1701 Denuba Avenue. I have been before the planning commission and the city council. We need housing. That's something that we all agree on. We are building. We have a huge track that's coming in. Those are entry level houses. We don't have high-end houses in Soma Country Club area. That's it. That's it. And if you block it in with lesser value houses, not to say they're not good houses, where are you going to put the high-end houses then? It's like they said, it's logical for them to be in that same area, expand out to the east, um to expand that whole type of neighborhood. People start in the beginning houses in Amberwood, that kind of thing. But then where do you go from there? I've let you guys know more than once. My daughter had a nice house. They were looking for something bigger. There was nothing available in Selma. They ended up in Fowler. Um, and I think a lot of people have left our community because there's nothing. There's no step up after your initial house and you've outgrown it or you're financially you want to get into the next step up. There's nothing like that in Selma. There's um a small area and that's Country Club Lane and and these these houses um south of of Rose, but there's just there's only a few and there's there's nobody's building more [clears throat] houses. If you don't have one of those houses, you're out of luck. Nobody's selling their houses. There's no place to go. So, I do agree that it's having the new houses is great. Let's keep building houses because we do need it. Selma needs to grow, but we also have to think about

what we're offering people. Not everybody wants a brand new tiny house. People are wanting to move up to the next step and we don't have that type of housing in Selma. Good evening, Janette Solio, 1191 Mil Street. Um, I'm a citizen here. I have the wonderful opportunity to live uh next to a lot of these amazing neighbors. And just so it's known, we learned about this really last minute. So, there's a lot of um homeowners who are very much interested, but a few were out of town. and um they will be sure to follow up with their concerns. Also um I want to start with my first thing is honor as the commission as the planning board. I am not original owner of these beautiful homes that were built. But I think you need to remember and honor what these first original homeowners agreed to. There was stipulations. There was minimum number of square feet. They like Joan said they worked really hard. They custom home. There were stipulations and those stipulations and the requirements that he these homeowners had to follow, those should be honored. You know, they've been here 20, 30, 40, 50 years. Again, I'm not original own homeowner, but I was able to move into the neighborhood. But as I'm looking and hearing and thinking like I feel that we should be a community that honor what

was precedented before guys are just if you choose to bring in 230 homes and he said he's building in Kingsburg and Fowler I think the numbers in Fowler were minimum 50 and now but 237 that's a huge difference big difference and um but I want to leave with you that first you need to honor what these homeowners were required to do what they paid. Okay. And like yeah maybe continue the build of extra homes that meet the same criteria. Um my number so my number one point was honor that you guys need to honor that. Number two change. Change doesn't always mean it's good to say oh it's time to change. It's time to change. Yeah, it's time to change, but look what happened to downtown. They changed it and that I don't know if anyone is happy with that change. I don't know what happened, but change is not always good, right? It has to be mindful. It has to be consistent. It has to be well thought out. Um, again, when we look at the landscape of of Selma, and I'm very much interested, invested in Selma. I'm on the parks and recreation commission. Um, but we're disjointed as a community. We have all these things. We don't have anything that flows naturally. Okay. We need to come up with as a planning commission, come up with the theme, right? And and map it out and plan it out so our city flows. Right now, we're doing one piece here, one piece here, and nothing's coming together. Um, lastly, I know my time's up. Um, the last thing is I'm really concerned about some of the statements they came in with. Hopefully, it'll be good. Maybe. I don't see any concise plans. You know, of course, um Mr. Crown over here, he's he's not from here. He's going to benefit. It's just financial gain. And Mr. Singh, maybe he can afford to move out of the area

quickly. But the those of us who can afford and who don't want to and who are vested in Selma, we want to stay here. We have a time limit. Yeah. But just remember the honor to honor these people's work. Appreciate it.

Thank you. any Okay, James Schaefer, 1196 Mil Street. So, um, you know, the people here made a good point. We don't build houses that are like kind over in that area. the people on the north side of town, other neighborhoods, there's no place for them to move up to. That's important. And the and as far as the traffic goes, it's going to change the traffic over there a lot. So, you try to cram a whole bunch of houses into a small area, it's not going to be good for that area, drive the value of the properties down. So,

okay. Thank you. Are there any further public speakers? Okay. Um, I will then close the public hearing at which time no Oh, we have a Sorry, we have someone on the line. Thank you. Sorry.

For all callers on the line, star nine to raise your virtual hand. Star six to unmute yourself. Hi, good evening. Can you hear me? Yes.

Okay, sweet. Thank you. Uh, good evening. This is Slade, uh, Slate Der, behalf of Freedom Forever based in Tmacula down south. Um, I've been working with Joe for a couple years as an energy consultant and solar installer for multiple communities in the Fresno area. Um, I just wanted to comment quickly on how Joe brings affordable solar and energy to the community. He's upsizing his solar as a base standard package to a net zero offering. So every single home that Joe is building does not have a single power bill. They're capable of being completely off-rid and they have uh capabilities of uh being tied to energy storage uh and thus helping reduce the overall impact of uh utility bills both on the residents themselves but also the local community. uh with solar power, we're looking at basically reducing uh bills from PG& and other utilities locally uh to essentially provide them with the power to avoid costs for distribution and and building new coal peaker plants and things like that. uh which should overall uh long-term reduce the cost for homeowners and residents for the city of Selma. Those are my comments. Thank you.

Are there any other uh online people who would like to address the commission? Are you have any comments? Hi, can everyone hear me? Yes.

Good evening. My name is Ubaldo Garcia. I've been an architect and I've been working with Joe Crown for the past 20 years. I would just like to speak with regards to the outstanding aesthetics and quality of home building that he's brought to the communities where we've built uh for the past 20 years. Uh he brings high efficiency construction, high quality construction above standard for everybody in the area. And I'd like to say that everywhere we've been, Joseph Crown has always raised the bar when it comes to quality. We built next to private subdivisions, uh mansions, and everywhere we go, we have raised the community. Um with regards to the minimum size lot, I keep I keep hearing the minimum of 4,000. And I'd like to clarify that the smallest lot in this in the subdivision is 5,000 ft² with the maximum of 9,000. With regards to the value of the homes, um I'd like to point out that the builders make more money the bigger the homes are. So the value will be determined on the kids uh that you all have that will be buying these homes. If Mr. Crown could uh build a 3,500 foot house and and sell it to your kids for a good prof a good margin. He would like he would like to do that. Everywhere we go, we we we do a market analysis and we build a homes based on the bas based on the values that we could sell. Um and also I'd like to advise uh on anybody interested in making a monopoly with a single uh bu outside builder. It's a terrible idea. Whenever you eliminate competition, you essentially create a monopoly. I know you're all focused on trying to get the highest dollar per B per per per square foot for home. But what Mr. Crown is going to do is keep the other builder honest and bring in competition. You can walk any of the subi subdivisions that he's ever built and you're not going to be disappointed.

Everywhere we go, Mr. Crown always raises the the bar when it comes to living standards. Excuse me, Mr. Garcia. Was that the correct threeminut timer? Okay. He's part of the developer, so he he doesn't uh not allowed a time. Okay. I think that's it for me. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, sir. Once the comments have been finished, that's that that's it. The three minutes is the limit. Somebody who hasn't spoken can still address the uh commission. Is there anyone else on the line?

I think we're good. Checkers. Excuse me. At this time, I'll close the public hearing, at which time no member of the public shall address the commission unless specifically asked by member of the commission through the chair. The planning commission will then discuss the matter among themselves and take action on the item being considered. Mr. Crown, if you don't mind, I just have a couple of questions for you.

The reason you're here and sorry, I I'll take a step back. My name is Ram Zakori. I'm one of the commissioners here. I made Selma my home my hometown about 21 years ago and I've been a real estate broker in this town for 19 years. So I kind of know the mindset. I I am not currently listing any other subdivisions. So I'm not saying what I'm saying for, you know, um to prevent competition for any other builder. That's not my point. But I'd like to share with you a little bit of what I always heard homeowners and potential buyers in this town, what they like to see in our town and what they don't want to see from my 19 years of experience, if I may. Uh the reason why you're hearing all the the comments that you just heard tonight because yes, first of all, when a homeowner buys a home with certain expectations, they'd like to they would like to keep that. So when they put enough effort to upgrade uh and finally find the home where they want to retire in and see their children and grandchildren enjoy it, they don't want to see that changed and thrown away or that value watered down by a lesser neighborhood being brought right next to them. Yes, Selma needs more homes and the fact that we have another big builder building is not the reason for my comment. There are other developers that will continue to come to town. We are all pro- houses and we want to have houses for every budget and every caliber, but sometimes there is a room. There's a space in the town for certain type of homes. So, we already have a lot of developments in this town that are offering smaller size lots and houses that are right next to each other, crammed. And I made this comment to the previous builders that came to this commission that what we are missing is a little bit of a higher caliber homes,

larger lots. Pretty much what brought me to Selma. I live in a track home. However, my lot is over 9,000 square feet and that was my selling point because I was starting a family and I was leaving Orange County to come. I did not want a balcony for my backyard. I wanted a true backyard. I wanted the option to add a swimming pool. We are lacking those homes in Salma right now. The subdivision that I finished selling had lots from 7,000 square feet to 11,000 square ft. It's a track home. However, my 11,000 ft² lots were selling first. People were willing to pay the extra money so they can have the extra space. If homeowners want smaller lots, they already have that available in Selma. We also have it available in other towns and bigger cities like Fresno and Clovis. People don't they want to have the option to go out to their backyard and be able to see the sky and the trees and all of that, not just stretch their arm and touch their neighbors. So that's the reason why a lot of the homeowners are coming with concerns to the planning commission to the city to say not because they want to stop development. And I'm very sure they'll be okay if there's a few extra cars in their neighborhood. But if the scale of the home uh of the homes that you're going to build would match what they already have and would not harm their value and would give potential to other people in this town to own a larger home, they would welcome it. We will all would welcome it. So my question to you, would it be possible to redraw your tentative map to offer lots that maybe start at 7,000 to 10,000? I understand that you want to maximize the profit, but you will enjoy honestly selling larger lots with larger homes. You'll still get enough clients in Selma

that you would be the only one offering that product. currently they're going to have a lot of options to buy a smaller lot and a smaller home. So if would that be a possibility? So that's my question to you.

The the the issue is affordability, right? So the smaller the home obviously the more expensive it is to build. So when you start getting into the 3,000 foot, you're into the 900 to a million. So, if you're going to make a mortgage, let's say you sold your house for 300 and you need to make a mortgage payment on a $700,000 note, you're going to be about $8,000 a month. So, that's going to be after your take-home pay. So, you're going to need to have a make a doctor's wage. And we've gotten away from affordability. I mean, I'm not paying pennies for this land. And it's not pennies to develop or build. It's expensive. So what in my product I and I don't have 50 lots in Fowler. I have 500. Okay. And they're all going to be beautiful homes. They're all modern craftsman style and they're all net zero homes. No greenhouse gases. But we have to look at I do have 9,000 foot lots. I do have the 62s that are the threecar garage models and they're beautiful homes. I'm going to come through the process is planning commission then city council. I still have to get my plans approved with you guys. Right. So, once we do these lots, I've come back through with the smart development. I bring in my houses, my uh floor plans, my elevations. We're doing the u a triple, it's like a triple net type of home. We've got stucco, siding, and rock. And it's three different colors with embellished lights, lighting. They're beautiful homes. So, I if you want to take a drive through my most current subdivision, it's in uh on Kernney and Sysu and Kerman. I'm right next to million-dollar homes, right next to them. Drive in my neighborhood and see how beautiful the homes are. Take go inside and look at one. All maple cabinetry, all granite countertops. I use solid quartz in my showers. These aren't the plastic throwaway, you know, made in China.

These are beautiful homes. So, but I understand. I completely understand. I been through this before. So, I mean, what we have, we've met all the regulations of the state of California. It is about profitability, but it's also about affordability. Yeah. No, I wasn't suggesting you build all of them as 3,000 square feet, but I was thinking a little bit of a larger lot, even if your smaller home is 1,800 square ft on on a 7,000 square foot lot, will give a better feel for that whole subdivision. And that's just my opinion. It was just a question. I agree. And I just we just get into the affordability.

Thank you. Um I also had a couple of questions for you if if you don't mind. Um number one, are you planning on building a block wall to surround that subdivision? Yes, we'll be that's part of the improvement drawings and you'll have a you will have a block wall on Rose Avenue and you'll have a block wall on Amber Avenue. I know Panu has his 42 lot custom subdivision that he's had entitled for quite some time and hasn't built yet. He is to the west

of Alves and Sings. So it would be the north side of Rose. So I'm assuming he hasn't developed it. It's been approved because he doesn't have the market. So he's not going to invest eight or $9 million to have his to have it sit there and cost a 10% carry making a payment every month. So those are those are there. They're available. That that map is has been approved for some time. But yes, there will be a block wall and roads. It'll be nicely landscaped. We have I believe a trail. We've got two beautiful parks. Galloway does our design. So

now staff, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that there is an easement for a trail under the power towers and that's to connect all the way to uh is it Dauba Avenue? Yeah. In in the Amberwood specific plan, the transmission corridor doubles as a linear park uh through that project. And what staff did was we conditioned the Rose Avenue subdivision map which is as uh the chairman and and Mr. Crown both noted north of Rose Avenue uh west of the transmission lines. We required him to continue that trail all the way to Rose Avenue. Um another thing I believe that the um two large lots to the east of both the Miganian estates and to the east of Country Rose have been designated for 10,000 minimum 10,000 foot lots. Is that correct?

I'm sorry. Where was that location, Chairman? Um, due east of both the Meridian uh development and the country roads development. So, you're still talking about north of Rose Avenue. Yeah. From um the land in between the land from Country uh Country View Street all the way to the towers. Yeah, that was that's that Rose Avenue subdivision states. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that one has 9,000 square foot lots and higher uh that range, you know, 11 12,000 square foot. And um you know, as as Mr. Crown pointed out, um from a from an affordability standpoint, that's going to be on your higher end. Uh median income for the city only ranges about $60,000 a year per household. And so his lots are actually larger than the majority of the lots within the uh proposed Amberwood LAR subdivision. So in a lot of ways, this is kind of the move up product because you had lots that were as small as 3200 square foot in the LAR subdivision. So he is providing uh a little bit larger lot than what was previously approved. Uh in addition, the city adopted uh architecture uh objectives uh design standards for the homes as well. So there'll be architectural features he has to include as part of uh his permitting process. And so these are the things that we've done recently with the zoning code update that allows for, you know, um a better quality, a better aesthetic for homes that maybe wasn't required previously. The thing I would always say with development, especially on the ends of town, um, you know, we do have a coordinated plan. It's called the general plan. And as things occur, things change. The edge of town no longer is the edge of town anymore. And so, as development occurs, what maybe didn't occur because there wasn't infrastructure, there wasn't market, or there wasn't a builder, you know, changes what that side of town can look like. And so the only thing I'll say with that is the general plan has been what it is since 2009 and maybe earlier than that that this could have been allowed uh at that time as well. So um

one last point to make that I think um touches on the increased lot size as well. um the Housing Accountability Act as well as SB 330 which were adopted as part of the state legislaturator's um you know housing reform overhaul uh limits the ability of the local agency to deny residential development projects. That being said, you can only deny residential development projects typically if there's some sort of health and safety concern that is documented with the project. Typically speaking, um, lot size preference is specifically excluded. So if as long as it meets the densities and the zoning requirements, the city as a matter of state law cannot sit and dictate lot size to an applicant if they meet the standards of the general plan.

But the general plan can I'm sorry,

the general plan can limit lot sizes. Correct. Correct. It really limits density. And then the implementating the implementation component of your general plan is your zoning. And so, as we said, the R14 zone allows as small as 4,000 square feet, but there's no maximum. So, Mr. Crown has proposed densities where he feels the affordability is within range of the region as well as the community as well as, you know, allowing him to construct it, get financing for what he's laid out. And so the thing I'll tell you is Mr. Crown's absolutely right in terms of home builders. I've sat in the room because I work for a national home builder and they compare the prices of all the other builders in town. So they sit and come up with their uh sales model based on what's existing and what's being built, what the sizes are with the demographics of the community. So he is absolutely right in the fact that um having competition in town provides better options for the residents in terms of affordability.

Okay. So I've heard both affordable and I've heard move up. Um I like I agree with my commission member that larger lots would be better fit for that side of town. the existing or the current u development that's taking place to the east of um Abraham Lincoln Middle School includes some 3,000 square foot lots and we've amended setbacks so that they will have minimumsiz backyards, minimum size sideyard setbacks. Um those to me seem like affordable houses. So I know that our hands are tied by state law and um and if growth is going to take place there's a certain amount of um uh housing that we have to pride at afford uh I mean approve at an affordable level. Um the first phase of the Amber Rose is um what we've approved so far. We haven't approved anything else. We really, to be honest with you, don't know what the rest of that development is going to look like. But the first half of it has 3,000 about 40, is it 42 something along that number of 3,000 square foot lots um on which they're going to put probably twotory houses because that's really all you could fit on that kind of a footprint.

I'm not I'm not here to build that type of home. My home is a move up and I build a much nicer home than Lenar. Um I have no idea if that's true. I haven't been to any of your subdivision myself. I I can toot my own horn. I mean, like I said, I've invited you to my subdivision. Yeah, I can meet you out there tomorrow, but I understand. And

most of the homes when you get to the 1,800 foot to the 25s or the fourbedroom, the five bedroomedroom, 2500, those are the move homes, but you got to have a mixed bag in order to satisfy the the demand of the general public. So, I get it. That's why we have a mix of lots. We've got the 62s and the fives. I'm not building on 4,000T lots. These are 5,000 foot minimums, right? Not 3,000, not 4,000. And I um also you said something that kind of caught my attention. You said that it's more expensive to build a smaller house. Absolutely. Is okay. Per square foot. Correct. Yes. Per square foot. That's I just wanted to clarify that.

So, you make more money on the bigger houses. Absolutely. Hands down. However, you have a demographic of this many people that can afford the million-dollar home and you have a demographic demographic of this many people that can afford and when I talk about affordability, I'm not talking about housing authority or cheap housing. I'm talking about getting a good quality product at a lesser price. I own my own framing crews, my own concrete crews. I've been building here for 20 years, so I've cut all my costs, right? So, I pass that savings on to the home buyer. It's not I'm building them a cheaper house. They're getting a better quality house. I don't report to stockholders in New York City. This is my company. I built it myself. So, the money stays here. With um some of the state mandates, um the city of Clovis, who is way behind on affordable housing, has been looking into infill lots and putting multif family housing in the infill lots right next to large lot, large homes. And there's going to be a major exodus of those people once the affordable housing comes in. And that's something that makes me kind of a little bit leery in that the people that spoke tonight, they have legitimate beef.

I I understand. I I I totally understand. But I'm meeting the requirements of the state. I'm meeting the requirements of the general plan. The environmental there's no health and safety. I'm here to I'm here to be a good neighbor and there's a buffer between I I I live in a subdivision that I go I have 5,000 square foot right next to me

I'm sorry guys the I apologize I hear you but the time for public comment has ended so we can't take questions from the public I apologize that part is that part is ended Okay. Um, any other commissioners have any questions or comments?

I I have a couple questions. Um, more for staff. Uh, I don't know, Lupy or Jerome, the city recently conducted and implemented single homes and business standards of building as far as requirements uh for the types of neighborhoods, the uh aesthetics and the appearance. And those standards will be applied to not only this division in in that we're discussing now but any division in Selma. Is that correct? That's correct.

So so anything that is built whether it's the current one uh the amber one or like that is being built according to the standards that the current or the the city has approved recently. Yeah, that's correct. Um, Commissioner Franco, um, again, that was what I referred to earlier. The single family objective design standards, which are in the residential portion of the municipal code in in the zoning chapter, uh, outlines, um, what needs to be done in single family um, subdivisions in terms of aesthetics for the homes.

Okay. And then the the other question I have uh the land just adjacent to where all these neighbors uh these citizens are speaking which I want to admit for the record that I live in that same neighborhood. So I share a lot of the same concerns that they have. Um that land is still is that still current the Muganian land or that they referring to earlier that is still developed or um approved for customuilt lots and so forth.

I'm sorry, Commissioner Franco, you're still referring to the Rose Avenue uh subdivision that was approved I think two years ago. Yeah. The you know if you look at the the proposed annex plan of the map. Oh yeah. And the the land in between the proposed and the ex the current existing that vacant land right there which I believe as someone was saying a is is or was owned by uh the Migan family who developed that current neighborhood that we live in or that I live in I should say. Is that plan still in place for them? the custom lock that's still active plan. I think somebody alluded to earlier. It just hasn't been worked on.

Uh that's correct. The improvement plans are still in process for that. We haven't seen any home plans for that project. Again, that's the Rose Avenue subdivision north side of Rose Avenue but west of the transmission lines. Um that property um is still in process going through improvement plans and final map. But is that the same format with custom uh larger lots and custom builders?

They could be custom homes. We haven't heard whether they'll be custom homes or uh similar model homes done by a singular builder. Um all we know is the lot sizes at that point, but they would be subject to these same design standards as well.

Okay. The other question I have is it's ultimately the city's council decision to vote whether this project is a good fit for the community. uh is a planning commission and our role is just to see if that make sure that we meet the standards and the requirements by law and isn't this just the first step to propose um annexing and tilapco?

Uh that is correct commissioner Franco. Um the planning commissioner is the adviser of zoning related issues to the city council. And so what you guys are doing is uh recommending uh one way or the other of uh how city council should consider the project. Um it would then go if let's say city council approves it would then go to LAFCO for annexation uh after any sort of decision from um the city council. And if I may add, so staff's role here is to help the commission um make a decision that's defensible um and consistent with adopted policy like the general plan. Um so when a project does meet those uh requirements that are within the general plan um and zoning standards then the discretion of the commission is a bit more limited um unless there are specific uh findings that can be made by the commission that Jerome had mentioned earlier. And so, um, that's why we bring this with that recommendation because it does meet the general plan and it meets those, uh, requirements, uh, that are listed by the state.

Um, Mr. Crown, do you have a minute? I have a question for you. you're I I keep on saying uh keep on inheriting uh you know model custom homes and million-dollar homes and uh step up homes. Let's say you have a 2,000 square foot I'll just use as a base model square one of your homes in other communities. What's the what's the price to buy a home like that? You know, I just I know it's just an estimate. That's that's like asking the price of tea in China. Each subdivision because you have different cost, different cost of improvements, different cost of construction, different cost of land, different cost of parks. This land has two parks.

Impact fees. They all play a large role. As a rule of thumb, 230 to 250 square foot. So, so the houses in this neighborhood, you would say they're about 250 to 350 4,000 400,000 uh to move. No, no, no. They're start at the 400,000 range. It'll start at 400,000. So, in order to move to this, believe it or not, that's that's affordable now. Well, you know, I bought my house long time ago, so that's why I'm asking. Trust me.

Yeah. Um, but yeah, they're and like I said, my houses, they all include the uh net zero solar, so they won't get a PG bill.

You know, you know, I I I I hear the community uh because I'll be honest, I have the exact a lot of these comments I heard I I I feel them inside, but I know that our city needs growth. And I hear affordable and I don't know what affordable is because everything seems so expensive from my perspective because I'm kind of an old guy and I bought things long time ago. But um I recently was out uh away out of town for a week and I was in a small little town. Um back in the day it had a population about 7,000 7,000. Right. Today the population is I think I saw on the on when I drove into town 20 2900 when I was asking my brother how we were it was we're together and I said what happened you know you know and he said oh back in the time everybody didn't want this in town and didn't want that in town and want this in town and they put stop this and stop that and and stopped everything and then they just finally just moved moved to the the town down the road or the next town over and we started the town just kind of died for lack of I don't you know I'm sure there was more to it than that but I started thinking is like how many people do I know that are saying I'm going to move out of Selma how many people do I know that have already moved out of Selma because there is no options right but you know at the same time every we want homeowners who will buy and invest in our community not just come here and rent because I feel if you high and uh you know you're investing in our community. Uh I wish there was a way I could tell you make bigger lots but I think that's council's job because based on everything that's being presented uh you guys aren't meeting all this all

the specifications. We are and we we we do a study. I mean that's what if you look at the median income of Selma they can't afford a million dollar house. I'm just sorry to break it to you. It just ain't going to work. It's you you have Yeah. I don't want to debate this all night, but I can tell you a good neighbor. Good neighbor. Yeah. Build responsibly. Responsible growth. That's what we're here to to do. Be responsible about growing. And that's what I pride myself on. So,

okay. Because I know if I go the land the land distance from where you're building then there's some vacant land in between. There is there is if I go that distance the other direction in town. Well the hell those aren't $400,000 homes. You know they're just older. They just been there longer. They're just smaller. You know you have it's it's a mixed bag in these these communities. Um,

so no, what the the point I'm saying is as much as we would like to en ensure everything's perfect and nice around us, it's kind of impossible to do because at the same time, we just can't say, "Oh, build what you want because we need homes. We want quality upper middle class homes." And if there was such a huge demand for the million-dollar home, Rajir Panu would have developed it already and would have been building those homes. So anyway, those are just my insights that I want. Thank you.

I used a calculator. Um, [laughter] at $230 a square foot, a 1700 foot house would be $391,000. And you think it's going to be higher than 230 a square foot with the Okay. 1300T house is $400,000 in Dauba, right? That's $330 a square foot. You take a 4,000 or 3,000T house, that puts them right at a million dollars. when they won't even appraise for a million dollars. You know this.

Yeah, I understand that. I I understand that. Um getting back to what Mr. Franco was saying. Um now I'm just I'm having trouble with 391,000 being affordable. That's uh

I see I I kind of when I'm envisioning your project, I'm envisioning kind of like the Raven subdiv subdivision. Um, that's what I would be comfortable with. Uh, simply because those were nice houses on nicesized lots. Um, people were moving up into those houses and um, I lived in that neighborhood. Um, full disclosure, I moved into the neighborhood of the people that were that were speaking tonight and I built my house with my own hands as well and you helped me. Yeah. Thank you. Um, [clears throat] but getting back to what Mr. Franco was saying and in in certain respects, our hands are tied by the state of California and what they require. And um as much as I would love to see that entire neighborhood be like the subdivision that I moved out of, um the I think the best we can hope for is that um it's close and it's walled and it meets the state requirements.

They'll be beautiful homes. That's Is there anybody else on the commission that would has any comments?

I do. Okay. Um well, first of all, I want to thank everybody for coming out, Mr. Crown. Um the members of the public, uh people that live in that neighborhood. I'm very familiar with that neighborhood. It's a beautiful neighborhood. Um I'm going to start off by saying that and and please give me, you know, time to speak and so you can hear both sides. Um, we haven't had growth in years. I mean, the Amber Woods is, you know, barely starting to come to Selma. It's, you know, it's starting to grow and it's been like that for the past 10 plus years. So now we have a developer coming in and wants to invest, you know, into Selma. And, you know, a lot of people do want to come to Selma. Whether you believe that or not, they do want to come here. whether it's, you know, high-end homes, middle or even um affordable homes. We, you know, we just um annexed the the property over by Walmart. I voted no because they it was uh low income and I I wanted it to go where residential goes and keep commercial with commercial, but you know, I'm only one person, you know. So, with this developer, I I see I see his point. I do. I see both both sides. Like I said, you do you you know your homes are beautiful. I I know some people that live there. Um Commissioner Frankle being one of them. So, a lot of people say, "Oh, well, why aren't we growing? Why don't we have a Costco? Why don't we have this? Why don't we have that?" Because we don't have the growth. We don't have the population. And that's what we're missing here in Selma is the population. Look how fast, well, I shouldn't say fast, but look how Hanford has grown. They really beat us. They have homes. They have commercial, you know, with they they left I hate to say it, but they left us in the dust. They really

did because we don't grow. And some people say, "Well, I don't want it in my backyard." Okay? So, if the developer takes it somewhere else, oh, somebody else is going to say, "Oh, I don't want it here either." So, at the end of the day, you can't make everybody happy. I'm sorry. You can't. I'm one of them. Trust me, I'm human just like you are. So, with that being said, I'll keep I'll keep it short. Um, again, like I I agree with my my fellow commissioners as well. You know, we do need the growth. We do need the housing, but I feel like we still need the time, though. I feel like this is thrown at us too fast, too soon. So, what I would like to propose is we table it and we get a workshop or a town hall meeting because I haven't heard from the people from Country Rose who also own beautiful homes and I also know people that live in those homes and they're beautiful. So, I would like to hear, you know, what they have to say. So, um I think that would be fair. I I know some of you people. I recognize some of you people and I I I also see both sides like I said. So I I would like to table this and and hopefully the developer would like to um you know um come up with a workshop like Mr. Cashian did with his project. He u brought in his people his team. He gave us a a slideshow. Um I'm a visual person. So you can tell me one thing and I I can't see it. You know what I mean? I I I need to see the visual. And I think these people they deserve that as well. So with that, I I would like to table this.

Um at this point, staff, can we table it?

I think um you just so everybody's clear, um the [clears throat] workshop provided by um the Cashem Project was a voluntary workshop. They agreed to do that on behalf of the community for their project. That wasn't a mandated workshop that was uh put on by them. Uh they just used the city facilities. Uh the city did not facilitate that, you know, workshop. We were in attendance. We didn't facilitate it. Um under um the housing accountability act and SB330, you have a limited amount of hearings for residential housing development projects that you can go through. Uh the total is five public hearings. And so if you were to continue it, this would be one public hearing. I just want everybody to be aware that the state of California does put limits on, you know, delays or additional hearings to consider an item. Um, that being said, you can table it. Um, but, um, I just wanted, you know, the commission to be aware of those limitations. Um, if I may with a couple of the of the questions or some of the statements as well. uh Raven subdivision as well as um I think it's Vineyard Estates. Those were permitted in 2000 in the early 2000s. I think Vineyard's Estates was 2006 and I think Raven subdivision was in 2003 or 2002. Um Vineyard Estates just built out this year. So it took almost 20 years to build out 130 lot subdivision over in that part.

Mr. Ken, may I interrupt you? Since I sold that subdivision, the building started in 2016 at Vineyard Estates, we had 150 homes, 40 in the first year, if I may. Uh, we had a stop because of COVID and because of how slowly they developed the remaining uh horizontal work. So, we built 40 homes in our first year. We had two years break but sold the remaining 110 homes after that and we were done in March of 25.

Okay. Um track 5217 was originally permitted in 2006 with the first phase being recorded in 2006. Phases two and three which were built out as you stated started in the late 20110s and finished this year. Again, that's an entire tract of about 200 plus lots that was in the city since 2006, which is my only point is projects. But there was a change of ownership. The original developer didn't have the means because of the crash of the market in 2007 to build that subdivision.

So, there was no work done until pretty much 2015. Right. And that's and that's my point though is there's varying factors that go into building out a development market changes,

you know, a pandemic, you know, um there are different issues that prolong development and having housing stock in a community and having options when the market goes up, when maybe interest rates go down, there may be a huge demand for housing once in interest rates go down, right? So, all I'm saying is there is no housing stock apart from another competing subdivision in town. And the city didn't approve any new lots since 2006 prior to the lots that were considered as part of LAR's project. And so, at the end of the day, having lots available for development, if they take a while, okay. If the market conditions change, okay, I'm just saying that has been the history of the city in terms of approving lots and residential subdivisions.

And if I may, um, you know, I just want to say that we do hear the concerns of our residents, uh, when it comes to housing type and neighborhood character, and those are valid conversations, uh, to be having. Um, but that's a policy level issue which is part of the general plan which would mean that the general plan and zoning would need to be updated on that. Um, which still wouldn't affect this property because we have to um base it off of what is currently existing. And so that's why this is here tonight. As Jerome said though, there is a path forward for um you know tableabling this to the next meeting or something like that. So it it's something that we could do, but we would still have to look at it with the same eyes with the same general plan and so on that it was submitted under.

Would we be able Sorry, go ahead. Oh, it's okay. I was going to just ask Mr. Crown so we're not having this discussion for no reason. Would you be willing to h to participate voluntarily in a town hall? Share with the residents what kind of quality homes you build and give them a little bit of an idea of what you'll be bringing to our town. Okay. Then then we can probably discuss it because if he wasn't willing, I was going to say that's off the table. Thank you. Would we be able to um uh go ahead and vote on the subdiv uh reszone and tabled the uh tenative subdivision map? The whole thing.

Okay. Thank you. That's my question. Appreciate it. Is there a proposal or sorry a motion to table? Okay. Um, so I'm going to make a motion to table this until we get um a workshop or a town hall meeting from um the developer, Mr. Joseph Crown. And um yeah, that's my motion. Is there a second?

The motion.

Commissioner Dominus. Yes. Commissioner Hall, yes. Commissioner Corey, yes. Commissioner Franco, yes. Vice Chair Sanri, yes. Commissioner Kesler, Chair Garcia, yes. Thank you. And we'll work with Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for everybody for coming out and um voicing your opinions and your concerns. Thank Thank you so much.

Okay, so to continue with the meeting, we have um item three. What happened? The one that we had last time, meeting we had last time across from Walmart, did that get passed by council or what?

My understand.

So, it's going to be mostly residential over there now instead of commercial. Um, would it be possible to take a five-minute break? We've been up here for a while. Thank you. Five minute break starting at um 7:29. That's the only residential I've ever Well, for the the one across the street from Walmart we're talking about, right? Yeah. That one's going to be kind of some odd units in it.