Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Regular meeting for Monday, April 20th, 2026. Everyone, please rise for the pledge of allegiance

to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Item two is roll call. Roll call. Miss JSON here. Mr. Long here. Mr. Gladfelty here. Mr. Green here. Mr. Crover

here. Miss Rosco here. Mr. Melli here. Bub is here. Chair Fright here.

Item three is approval of the agenda. So move madam chair. Support. Mr. Long supported it. Yes. Yes. Motion for Mr. Excuse me. Gladi supported by Mr. Long to approve the agenda as pre as presented. No discussion. Mr. Gladfelty. Yes. Mr. Long. Yes. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Boad. Yes. Mr. Groa. Yes. Miss Rasco. Yes. Mr. Mcelli.

Yes. Miss Jameson. Yes. The chair vote. Yes. The agenda is approved. Next is approval of the minutes of the planning commission meeting held on Monday, March 16th, 2026. So move, madam chair. Support. Who supported it? Not you. Okay. Motion by Mr. Krova, supported by, excuse me, Miss Jameson to approve the minutes as presented. Miss Mr. Krova. Yes.

Mr. Jameson. Yes. Yes. Mr. McAlly. Yes. Miss Rosco. Yes. Mr. Long. Yes. Mr. Green. Yes. Mr. Gladfelt. Yes. Miss Rob?

Yes. Chair Boes minutes are approved. Item five is um comments from the public on non-aggenda items. Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on something that's not on our agenda tonight? Seeing no one, we will move right along. Item six is old business. We have no old business. Seven is public hearings. And we have PDA 20201 fairways at gateway PDA amendment. And the applicant is is it Renos Suave? Renosov

somewhere around there. Okay.

Infinity Home Group. Uh and the request preliminary PDA site plan amendment and is concerning three parcels. 809 01 022 O 8091 0221 0 and 809 01 02222. So lots 20 220 221 and 222 and they're allowing they're asking for a PDA amendment to allow 31 single family residential homes rather than the previously approved 13 buildings containing 53 attached units in subdivision 3

you know just just so we're clear on process here because I know this is confusing what you're doing right Oh, oh, thank you. is for the public hearing. This is for the preliminary PDA plan. So, this is an amendment to the overall development. So, then your next step under new business is the final condominium plan for this portion, the Bluffs amendment, which you saw a year year or two ago. But so, that's why it's separated into it's pretty confusing, right? So, so what you're doing right now, the public hearing component is just the overall plan and with it goes that agreement, right? Okay.

Yep. PDA agreement. So, you're doing PDA. Now, just clarification, the overall plan is still just changing this portion of the but then you go into more detail on the second, right? That's the final plan. So, the preliminary in in for a PDA is your big overall development. Your final is just your subdivision portion. What I'm trying to say is both of these address the same issue. Same the same development. They're the same development in this particular development you saw previously, right? Um it's just now changing. Understood. Thank you. Good.

Thanks. Good evening everyone. Rio Suave with Infinity Homes and Company 42400 Grand River sweet 112 Novi. Uh we're here in front of you guys before you guys. Uh we here go probably was maybe about three years ago. It was an ongoing process. We had the remaining 35 acres in Gateway and as you all know, I was just sharing with a few folks a few minutes ago in my office. This is the if if when this gets approved, this is the final piece of this development. If you look at your notes here in the slide, this has been ongoing since 1995. So, this is this has been what 31 years by the time it's done will be almost 35 years in the making. So, in the end, this is, you know, it's it's a huge development. I don't know if every anybody when they developed this thought it was going to take you know almost four decades to build and develop out but we here and obviously we stepped in back in 2012 as maybe some of you know we've uh we've constructed several hundred homes in Romulus so far I think um the count I had so much tech in my office today we've been almost about approaching about 450 homes since 2013 in Romulus um did a number of homes in gayway throughout the city so we're here in front of you guys tonight we were um came back to modify initially was around 156 six units that were condominiums there was approved for initially and we came before you guys and received approval and as you all know we're actively building a gateway now um we've modified this the zoning down to 91 units uh keeping this parcel separate uh since we've opened up sales and uh in October of 24 we've sold about 40 homes so far we're actively selling it's been it's been pretty amazing so far we've act we've been selling about anywhere from on the low end one to three homes a month is what we've been averaging Um, you know, we have a fully fully staffed sales model up there. We um we have fully staffed on site. Uh, construction's been going really well. Uh, sales have been pretty strong. Our our average sales price goes anywhere from as low as 350 where we have I think our first house hasn't closed yet, but we're going to probably top off

somewhere pushing 500,000, which I think is probably is going to set probably a milestone for for the area, for the neighborhood.

But this has been ongoing. People are coming from all over to buy houses here. the the golf course owners to their credit have done amazing job as you guys all know restoring that golf course. It's a lot of people from all over come and golf there. So, it's been helping not only with with their business, we've been kind of almost like it's been helping both of ours. It's been helping us sell homes because people come to golf there. They see, you know, all the activity with the construction. Uh I think right now we have about 30 houses under construction actively. So, we're here we're here in front of you guys tonight. The remaining piece that was uh we we got approved on this was uh 56 attached rent style condos and because the residential sales the single family has been so strong we see that being a more of a market niche. I think it's even in my opinion more beneficial to the city to have single family not that multif family is bad in any way but um the single family obviously we're bringing a lot of younger families in who have been buying the houses which has been great uh for across the board. So, we're here in front of you guys tonight to consider um I know this is going to kind of cross over what Carol mentioned, but we're looking to downgrade the zoning now for the approved uh PDA from 56 units down to I think it's 31 single family homes. And this by this time um again, if we if we get approved for this, we're looking to start construction sometime probably if not later this year, probably next spring. And that'll by that time we'll kind of burn through a lot of our inventory on the existing phase. We'll just be winding down that. So, this will be a good transition. So we're looking at we start we start opening up sales next summer. Uh we'll probably be out of here probably by sometime in 20 late 2028 even in 2029 which will complete the development. So plans we're we're going to be selling are very similar to what we have there. We might introduce a couple new plans although I think we'll be pretty successful with the ones we have. Price point will probably be the same. I guess I don't who knows what we all know what the market's going to do. Gas might be $20 a gallon by them. Who knows? So um but pricing should probably be relatively to where it's at right now. So, um, but yeah, it's it's been it's been a great mix. Hopefully you guys feel the same way. If anybody been out there, I encourage you to come out

there and see the the activity and the success we've had, um, in the community. Uh, feel free to visit our model. And, um, again, it's here to answer questions you guys have. I'm sure there'll be plenty of them. So, should I do public hearing?

Okay. At this point, we will go ahead and do the public hearing. Records show we have on file an affidavit of first class mail. There anyone who's here to speak on this matter, please raise your hand, come to the podium, give us your name and address and your comments. Do any of you wish to speak on this or no? It's a stampede.

Oh, okay.

Good evening. Good evening. Um, we are residents in Gateway. I need your name, please. Was that my address is 31726 Pine Valley. Um, that's not gateway. I'm just trying to understand this housing gateway

because when I purchased, we didn't talk about any kind of housing that was going to build outside of the homes that we currently have. So the homes that we purchase, you know, 400,450. So will that decrease our value of our home? Would it um we have been having issues with our home? And we put in our tickets, we notify Liz. Um some of the things are still outstanding. So, if we're going to continue to build homes, are we going to address all the issues before we start building, you know, new homes? Um, am I getting anything? We're all on Pine Valley.

I'm sorry. We're all on Pine Valley. Okay. Um, and all of your homes are have problems?

Yes. Yes. Um, there is a process and we go online and we create tickets. Um, we have been working with Liz Thomas. Um, but the quality of work, um, it's it's just for us to have to keep We only been living there for six months, okay? And we have to keep putting in these tickets. We have to keep reaching out, you know. Um there's a person Travis on site. Um I have caught some of the workers um doing things that are not in line with what they should be doing. I have reported that. Um but I don't work for Infinity, so I don't feel like it's my responsibility to have to keep reporting these things that are happening.

Right. Um, so the amount that I spent for my home, I expect the same quality to continue in the neighborhood. Sure. And your home was built by Infinity? Yes. All of these homes were? Yes. Yes. Some of a year, some are coming up on a year, but I have only been there for six months. So, well, we can find out right now. Okay. Thank you. Does anybody else wish to speak before I close the public hearing about concerns we have or pardon me concerns that we have?

Are we speaking on the concerns that we have about the development? So, uh, one, yes, I see

we need your we need your name just for the record. Erica Ivy. My address is 31712 Pine Valley Drive. Um, one um, concern I have among the entire subdivision is the concrete that's being used. Um, if you ride through our street, you'll see a lot of the driveways um, have been broken up. My my concrete has been down less than a year. It shouldn't look like that. We did not put any uh, salt out um because we have to allow it to cure. Um, if you walk walk down the street, you will see some of those same pock marks um, in the concrete. Um, on my punch list is still my roof. I'm still concerned about my roof and it has not been addressed. I've now been told it's springtime. Um, I moved in in June. It'll be a year um, in June and I still have the same concern um, about my roof. Um, I'm glad to know that they're going to change it from the initial development or trying to to homes, but we would like to have those issues addressed um in our home before you start new development, right? We want new people. You want people here, but you want to have present a quality product and take care of the product. That's about it.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Good evening.

My name is Janet Harmon and I live at 32841 Augusta Court. I've lived in Gateway for 25 years or more, a little over. This is the first public hearing I've been ever made aware of about someone coming in subdivision and building. And I like to know why. And also, if these people are having problems with the young man, the guy that's building, I I met him, then do not allow him to continue to build until he fixed their properties. I was one of the first to live in Gateway. I had put the streets on the map. I've done a lot of things for Romulus, but it doesn't seem that we get anything in return. But like I said, and also one thing, I don't know where Pine Valley is cuz I just do what I need to do and go, but um please, we supposed to be in a golf club community. They knocked down all our trees and stuff to build houses. Now they're going to build more. Are we going to continue to look like a a golf club community or are we all about selling houses now? But are we answer the question somebody? I want to know what's going on. I I call myself taking a a break. It look like I'mma have to get back out there and work. I'm a senior citizen now. So, um

seniors work

just we and it's another issue that I'm concerned with that he probably should be concerned with too. you spoke at the last meeting, but um again, Infinity sounds like um can't think of the name of the other builder, but they did not complete a lot of the houses and a lot of um the condos. They just took the people's money, didn't do the basement, water running all through. Um the chimneys wasn't there. do not let these people continue to take their money and not complete the job. So, I don't know what how to go about it, but believe me, I will find out.

Thank you and have a wonderful evening. Thank you.

Anybody else? TA Adams, 31735 Pine Valley Drive. Um, I'm coming with the same issues as the other young ladies in regards to the concrete. Um, we've had a private inspection done. We've had several trip hazards identified. Um, and then we also did not use salt or any type of deicing products on the concrete either, but they're starting to crumble and we have craters all through our concrete. Um, I did put in a ticket and was told that it was due to um, weather, but we've just hit our one year and to me that kind of makes no sense considering the fact that we're in Michigan, so we are expected to have cold weather. Um, so that's my concern. Um, also when we were in talks of buying the property, we went to the other side of Gateway and we noticed that their streets at that time were tremendously corroded and just terrible. And we have the concern that we don't want our property to look like that in the next few years. And then by the time, you know, we can do anything about it, they're long gone. And then the burden is on the homeowner to correct that.

Thank you,

Michelle Horley, 31665 Pine Valley Drive. I guess I'm going to close it out because we all have a concrete issue. My driveway actually fell in

and they have come out and put some kind of like pebble whatever. They're indicating that DTE I guess they were doing some work something they didn't complete properly but I kind of question that because I'm I'm over the year. I know they're going to replace it, but I when we moved in, we had two of the largest U-Haul trucks coming through our driveway and it didn't break. I had some work done on my garage and they had a one of the smaller U-Hauls and it crashed. Same thing with the walkway. They replaced my walkway the first time because it was unlevelled. Now it's crumbling again. So, I know that EPA has changed on the concrete, but I'm I mean, we're on the same boat. At some point, it's going to fall on us. As much money as we pay for these homes, we should have to expect the same kind of quality that you wanted when you asked for my money. So, I'm just kind of, you know, I'm kind of with you. I don't know how this comes back to you, but it needs to be you need to be aware of this because that is not a good selling feature going forward for new residents that are going to pay that kind of money to come in like we're paying and not getting the quality that we feel we should homes.

Okay, no problem. Thank you. Okay, thank you. You're the last one. Yes. Okay, I will go ahead and close that portion. close the public hearing and I will now open it up to the commissioners this way.

Yeah. I I just want to disclose I did talk to the attorney so I do not have a conflict of interest but I do live in Gateway on the other side. I'm not the president of your HOA, but I am the president of the consolidated HOAs, which does include their HOA. So, at a personal relationship, but I am not conflicted at all. So, just wanted to make sure we got that clear. But I did talk to the attorney. He said that this does not classify as a conflict of interest. So, I cannot exclude myself. So, just want to get that on the record. So, you'd like to excuse yourself? No.

No. I'm sorry. You don't want to excuse yourself? No. No, you shouldn't have to because it's right. Madam Chairman, Mr. McInelli, is there there has to be a process that you the homeowners go through to get their properties repaired? And is that that ticket process? You put in a ticket online and they are to repair the properties. And then does the city inspect any of that?

Yes. So we do inspect from top to bottom like during the construction process, every phase, every aspect and uh I think what they're recruiting like cuz I looked up a few of the addresses as you were speaking and I looked all all inspections have been done. All inspections were approved. There was a couple that when we went out for finals, they actually there was there was something with a sidewalk that was ended up being repaired. There was a few things and then they got all got final CFOs. What they're probably talking about and I don't know is your concrete issues or what a year after. Yeah, but not the day you move. What What I'm saying is

what was the issue with concrete when you moved in? should have not even just Could you please come up to the microphone so people at home can hear? When I first moved in the walkway going up, it was uneven. So, there was a trip hazard. When we signed our papers,

they at that time they were saying, "Well, once they start doing the concrete," we we didn't even have the sidewalks yet. We moved in. I think we did have the driveway, but we didn't have the sidewalk. So, once they did the sidewalk, they fixed it. So, it was even. But now, and we didn't use salt cuz they told us to seal everything. We sealed everything that that they suggested. Like I said, my driveway fell in. One whole side is just falling in. But then the walkway that they did already is crumbling again. Okay. So, yours was the address. When I looked it up, it did show there was an back when we were doing our final inspections, there was a sidewalk that we did flag. Yes. They did come out and repair it and we come and looked again and it was not uneven at that time. Right.

That's when we final approved everything and you got your CO. Well, no. If you you before I moved in, it was still uneven. It wasn't that was fixed after I moved in. So, you moved in under uh I moved in under those temporary I had the temporary. You had a temporary C. What time of year did you move in? We moved in March. Yeah. Okay. March 14th. Yep. So, I know during that time frame, uh, we do we do allow temporary COS if a lot of a lot of the stuff when you're in the middle of the winter time. If there's like a few things not completed because they can't be completed until the weather breaks and then after a certain time frame like the houses that they're building in, right,

finishing in June and July, everything gets completed and then they get their full CFOs. So that was one you got a temporary CFO and then when they completed it I do see that they did issue a full CFO toward the summer. Yes. That's when they made the repair. That's when they made the repair. We were already in for March. Yeah. You had your temporary. So you were allowed 100% allowed to be in there and then they completed the repairs that we saw and then everything was final out at the time we went out there. But if you see it now it's crumbling. Okay. So we do inspect everything. I mean, we don't we don't generally go back after the fact unless we are made aware of an issue or a problem that we need to go look at,

but I do know like our inspectors are always in in there under the construction. I know that all of our inspectors have a very good relationship and very good communication with uh Infinity with the developer and all their all their contractors. And I mean things as of since I've been here in the last three years with the construction side of it, things have been going things on the construction side, inspection side have been going very smoothly. Mr. Bruntley again, go ahead.

Because I wanted to uh comment on that because I believe of uh there's a dispute between the builder and a warranty and homeowner. Isn't it handled through the state through Laura and the construction of uh bureau bureau of construction if it goes that I mean if it's if it's a complete if it's not being handled

yeah if there if there's something in that but yeah that would be that's be that would be with your whatever and I don't know exactly what your warranty is whatever your warranty is and with the developer how you guys handle that but usually by then where once we issue the co unless there's something where we're we notify okay there's a property maintenance issue there's unsafe situation, there's this if somebody calls us and we go look at it, then we would do an enforcement and contact contact, you know, but even then the enforcement, you know what I mean, goes through. It's different with the with with the HOAs and the homeowners. Usually when we enforce something that's house that's four years old, let's say, just if we notice, hey, there's a something wrong on the front or your handrails gone or you have a trip hazard here, we'll send a letter to the homeowner, not knowing, we don't know what their warranty is with the with the developer and what their agreement was when they purchased their house. You know what I mean? We just send, hey, this needs to be fixed. And then they have a warranty. They usually contact. I don't know how they do the ticket program. We're not involved in that whole side of it at all. Do all of you people have trouble with your driveways?

If you I'm sorry. Um I was saying even the lady um that moved across the street from me just recently within within the last two weeks,

her driveway is cracked also. No one was living in the home. So, something is going on with the concrete. Um, but again, my concern is that because it's breaking up and again, it hasn't been a year that I've been in the house and it hasn't been a year and the concrete has been put in. Um, I'm really concerned about uh what is going to look like, heck, even next year. Um, and again, if you walk like if you walk around the street, you can see where there are some crumblings. And again, we don't want it look like how they just replace it with a swan swan lake. We don't want it looking like that. We want it's a brand new community. It should look brand new. Sure. Thanks. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry.

No, that's okay. I just aside from what we're here for tonight with the warranty side of things, I think it's important to note. Uh, yeah, we do have a warranty process. Anybody that buys a house from us, they um we actually give up to two year most typically most builders will give a year warranty. We give a year up to basically for what's called like basically general common elements of the house drywall cracks things like that settling and then we'll do we go so far as to do a second year on structural okay if there's a roof leak a basin wall leak basin wall crack there may leak concrete has been and I think I think one of you mentioned about said he her EPA guidelines so the problem we have is that our company on average builds anywhere between 100 and 150 homes a year uh I started the company myself in 2000 we built close the 3,500 homes in Michigan in that time. In the last three years, I've never had so many concrete complaints as I have now. Say, okay, well, what changed? Well, you guys can go back and do a quick Google search for this. Three years ago or so, and I'm not going to I don't want to get too technical at this, but the guidelines were changed mandated by the federal government to basically for all intents and purposes weaken the dirt, the strength uh of the concrete. What's the additives that get put in the concrete? Reason for that is the reason why that was to help offset carbon emissions. Manufacturing concrete mining for cement you know where there's a main ingredient in concrete um puts off a lot of carbon I guess. So they did things that mandated that they all the all the ready mix all the batch plants when you manufacture concrete it just kind of weakens it. So since then we've had raised met with we myself a few people if you mentioned Liz Liz Thomas in our office met with our the readiness companies use our flatware companies last week and we said look we've never had a list three and a half pages long where I have I'm pouring I'm closing on a new house with someone and then three months after they close they have pitting in their concrete. Now on a side note there are requirements when someone

buys a new house. I think this is important to know because I've never been to an entitlement meeting where I have I'm talking about concrete warranties, but this is a widespread issue. Um I said, "What do you how do I explain this to a homeowner who's buying a brand new house and their driveway, excuse my words, looks like hell after 3 months?" And and so I said, "There's going to be some onus has to be put on you guys at the ready companies." I said, "You know, if not, this is going to be somewhat of a class action lawsuit because it's not just us. It's every builder across the state. You could look at newly poured roads that are done in in neighborhoods, probably Romulus, Leavo, anywhere you look where they're doing like replacement programs. Concrete after a certain period of time is pitting. It looks like hell. Um, in this case, we've got a warranty list. Now, there is some due care that customers have to do. The the manufacturers won't even look at the first question they ask is how the driveways been have the driveways been sealed. If the driveways are not sealed, yes, some of you may. That's great. Like I said, we'll deal with that separately. But that's the first question that they ask. If the drivers aren't sealed, they're not doing anything with it. So, we have I've never had a list as long as we have with concrete warranties. It is an issue. If there's other warranty matters in it, we do have a warranty process. They have a 30-day move in because usually after you move in, there might be some sudden things will happen. The customer will email our company and we'll come out. We'll send a service tech out there to take care of it. Then, they have a one-year warranty. And after that, usually the the warranty period pretty much drops off because unless you have like a major like a structural uh issue in your house, you that we'll we'll take care of that second year. So, but as far as for concrete, I'm happy I'm happy to talk to you folks afterwards and I'm sure your name's already documented within our company, but I'm happy to hear them on afterwards. Uh but this is it was I wanted sorry to belabor the point of this, but this has been like an ongoing issue. It's not just with us. I'm also actively involved in the home build association. I was their president two years ago. Um, this is someone was brought up at our board meetings to say like, okay, what are builders doing across Michigan? Because this isn't just us. It's you guys like do your own research on this. This is a widespread issue. So, and we're dealing as we come. So, you know, we'll deal with them. And some people that haven't, you know, uh,

took care of their driveway and someone says, "Well, hey, I don't put any rock salt on my driveway." Yeah, but you still drive around on Michigan roads when Wayne County puts a ton of salt on the roads. You're pulling in your brand new driveway and that salt's dripping off your cars. and this is what they're telling us and why they won't warranty it. But the onus is on us. We're the company they bought the house from and we'll deal with it as as we as needed. So, but aside from what we're here for tonight. So, anyways, sorry to uh get wind that was worth the long explanation on it. So, thank you. Any other questions, Mr. Minau? Um through the petitioner to the to the chair through the petitioner

whatever. Um I'm looking at the recommendations page that was provided and there were eight items listed. Are you aware? Did you familiar what I'm talking about? If you want to specifically I don't have I don't have it on.

Okay. So these are recommendations over of the amendment and it just says planning commission consideration that the proposed PDA amendment can move forward as a simple site plan amendment pursuant to section 17.06B. 06B and we recommend that the amendment move forward as a simple site plan amendment. The applicant should indicate if existing trees are be preserved or cleared. We recommend that as many trees as possible be preserved and worked into the home design and layout and trees be preserved be clearly shown on the site plan. Then the city engineering consultant review potential changes to site essential facilities and services. And number four is assess address the buildability of site 29 which looks like a pie. Were you gonna put a pyramid on that?

Can I grab the ground? Sure. I think I was going to ask that question. Oh yeah. Were you going to do your presentation? I was say I think you might have a Oh, is this move the slide across? I think it's on your Did you have to refer this in? There you go. So, this was the current this was the current site plan we did. Sorry, I didn't know this was up here. This is the current site plan that shows the 56 multi-units. And then obviously, this is the one that's being proposed, which it's kind of hard once you highlight it. Um, site 29. We look at my note. We look at my page here. Might show up a little bit better.

Yeah. Respect to that. I think on site 29 there is a proposed uh storm sewer even disclosure that there's a pie shaped wage. It really tapers off to the back. I think this was brought up on our call with a city engineer and Carol we had a couple months ago. I think what we would probably do is just limit the size of the house on that particular particular site. I'm not sure if that's your question. Well, we want to make sure whatever you put there is going to make match our setbacks and requirements for, you know, size because otherwise building approve it.

Yeah. Yeah. We would when when when that however it gets addressed if it's if it's I think Jessica had mentioned something about possibly seeing if the borders could change a little bit or figuring out a way to address that. We would definitely get a plot plan and everything of where a building would be and then we would look at all the setbacks and everything upon our review for sure. Okay. So maybe they could adjust some of the other side dimensions.

Yeah. like if if it's I know that like it's just something you have to look at to see how it's going to fit because you do have that easement that's running through there and not encroach and have some yard and some space and some setbacks to see if like hey on those lines can is there any room for anything to move on those couple it's just 29's one we'll have to we'll definitely have to get figured out I think I remember that talking about that on our on our call but I think I mentioned these are all of our plans we're doing everyone and uh this is we're currently building now so probably out of that I think what I would probably the solution for that would be to minim and maintain the setbacks. We'll probably just have to restrict it to one of our smaller footprints, one of our smaller footprints.

I just feel like somebody pay a lot of money for a house and not have a backyard or not be able to have a deck or something. I'd hate to see you wedge something in there that's not appropriate to the neighborhood. And that's what I'm Whatever it'll be, it'll it'll maintain the setback so we would get proof anyways for us to on this plan. 30 and 31 look a little bigger, which is right next door. I don't know if there's any if you those could be made like 31 be made a little smaller and 30 could move be made a little smaller and that would allow 29 to maybe straighten out a little bit if I may through the chair. Yes.

Um 20 the restriction for 29 is the fact that there's an existing storm sewer that runs between the 29 and 30 um right now. So even if they were to take a piece of 30 or 31 and move it over, um we still have this storm sewer to contend with. So okay, they would not be able to make um the structure bigger on 29. Um Carol is showing me that there there was a plan submitted recently that does show that one of the homes um I'm not sure which one it is. It does fit within the 29 within the setbacks and um not encroaching on the easement, but I this is the first time I've been able to look at that plan. Okay. So, it's somebody has looked at it and it potentially it will be reviewed as part of this. Absolutely.

Yeah. You didn't so you know in the presentation is it on a following slide maybe to pop up to show them because I'm assuming we just got this too. So the plan car Yeah. Is it is there Oh, I see. There's a house on that.

I think we looked at It's going to be kind of rough.

Putting a small house is going to still it's not going to look out of my opinion it won't look that out of place because you're putting a small house on it still gets bigger in front but then it narrows out to the back. So, the easement's a requirement that they can't they can't build something on that easement, but it'll still be part of this person's yard. It'll still be green space. They just won't be able to build anything or any on that or put anything there. Yes. All right. Okay. I'm satisfied that this can be addressed. Okay.

Um the remaining items on of I'm number four. Confirm location of two required parking spaces per unit. Confirm if on street parking will be allowed. Revise landscape plan to include calculation for street trees provided. Substitute the red maple trees as noted. Note that the street tree location will be determined during engineering review. Provide a lighting plan if additional street lights are proposed and the acreage of the PDA amendment should be clarified as two different acreages are provided between the site plan and the master deed document. The site plan indicates 6.19 acres and the master deed document indicates 25.26 acres. So these are the things I want you to be aware of still planning.

Yeah, there's still a lot there's still a lot of work that has to be done. Yeah, they have they have these. So because Liz went through them and it looks like this plan actually is different than the one that she sent a couple days ago. So I Yeah. So, it it it was just timing with this one because we had the public hearing scheduled, getting the information, getting the the reports in um and matching everything. So, there were pieces coming, you know, at different times, but they're all very resolvable, very resolvable things. They're just, you know, cleaning things up a little bit. Jessica, you you guys had determined what was going on with this acreage thing, right? The acreage,

um the 6.19 versus the 25.26. That wasn't the 25.26 26 from the previous version. Yeah, I think it was just a a leftover from um fairways at Gateway and the bluffs um language needs to be updated so it references the property that you guys are looking at doing the the resoning on right or the uh PDA amendment on right now. Okay.

So, you're not adding additional street lights, right? There's already street lights. This section was already developed. This actually this is a if they're there which I believe they are. Yeah. For some reason the consultant had Carla Wartman had thrown this in that they were and I talked to him about I said it's already there. There's street lights there. I don't think it was if there's addition if there's any additional street lights then then a lighting plan would be needed. Yeah. He just he just wanted to make sure that you knew that and Okay. thought he thought maybe it might be dark. And then the um Did we get an answer on these parking spaces? But what's the story on on street parking?

Typically what what we would do is obviously parking would be limited to opposite side. We just put no parking signs on whatever side of the street that the hydra's on. Same as what's there. So yes, it's pretty much we're doing in the existing phase 5. Okay. One side they'll be on street parking. The other side is fire lane. No parking. Correct. Yes. Yep. So, yep. I think most of these are answered. Did you have anything else in your letter? I did not for this for this section. Okay. Chair, I have a couple questions. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Yeah. So, calculation of trees. I know in the preserves there was a problem with trees and also with treetops. When you finished phase four, there was a problem with the number of trees. I want to make sure that gets resolved now before people actually move in. I think in preserves they weren't going to get trees and we're told they would have to plant their own. And in treetops, I don't think there's as many trees as we were anticipating. So that that needs to be resolved because I know when phase one and two and three were put in, there was a tree as almost treelined. Not quite. But if you look at phase four, they don't they look like they had maybe half the trees. So, I'm not I don't know if that changed with the PDA because I know Gateway should not have changed from phase one, two, and four.

Uh because three is a condos. Um but I do know it was an issue with treetops and then also with the preserves. Is that street trees you're referring to or excuse me, is it street trees you're referring to? Uh-huh. The trees on the on the front of the lawns, the egress. Mhm. Yeah. There was a problem with the preserves and with the treetops phase 4 when that was finished as far as how many trees or in preserves there were like no trees at one point. I believe your ordinance is is it one for every 40 meters? I believe

there's a there's and that's one of the things that's one of the outstanding things that was noted. Um there's got to be a calculation in there. So each lot it'll tell you or your landscape architect will actually tell us how many trees are going per lot. So

through the chair and I would like to add I know uh in my involvement on the construction of this when we do go out and do final inspections and everything there's a there's a plan that shows where the street trees have to be and how many they have to be and we don't we do not issue a final CFO without those street trees being planted and in I know on part of the phase the utilities made a change uh we still had the trees but with uh the utilities, they did not want the trees planted on top of those utilities. So, there was an adjustment where the trees had to be moved to the other side into a different easement, which is was also a utility easement, but the trees, they still have the same number and everything there. They were just in a different location. Same number from what some require one depending on the frontage, some require two depending on how big the lot is. But, uh, we do check for that every time. And then even in the winter when we do a temporary CO where they can't get the street tree, we always make the developer, uh, put up a bond for it to get a temporary so somebody can move in. And then they don't get their final until we go out and we verify that everything's done, including the trees being planted.

Yeah. In um, Gateway, there are quite a few trees that are planted right next to the um, lights. you can't see the lights in the summertime because the trees have overgrown them. So, I'm not sure who ever thought that was a smart idea, but just keeping that in mind so that that doesn't happen moving forward with with the new one. The other issue that I had was uh page three it says here when it gives the area width height setbacks um it says some inaccuracies on here. So the setbacks it says required 60 feet um or the lot size. So our lot size is normally 70 and uh I think we're allowed 60.

So that was the PDA. So the R1A it's 70 but way back in what did you say 1995 this was approved that deviation was granted for the whole PDA. Right. That's that's my question cuz we talked about this last year I think when you first came with the other um development and so about 70 of these lots are not 60. They're measure measure our consultant said the same thing and it's like what are you looking at? So you have to look at the definition of what lot width is

and or where you measure. You measure at the building line at the setback line not at the curves not at the property line. I just looked at what was on his plans and the plans were like 55 and 56 and so that's what I looked at. Take a take a look. It's right in front of you, right? So you see the street line and then take that front step back. Take that take the very front line of the building envelope. Mhm. And they all say a minimum of 60. So can you see it on your screen? doesn't matter. Uh would a magnifying glass probably it might it might No, we we checked because the consultant said the same thing

and it's like well you have to then go to the definition of what lots is and it's at the setback line not at the property line. Yeah, because the that's those are the only numbers that I see on here. So, I wouldn't know they look any differently. I can bring it over and show you. 66.

So, here we have See, this is where you measure This at the setback to the property line from the road. Exactly. Go to the setback. That's the definition. All right. All right. 60. That's the road. You got to see where it's measured. Like lot 11. See, it's 60 right here and it's 552 at the road.

That's it's it's just there's several sheets of this. So yeah, this is what this is the cond that's going to get recorded and they don't that's the property line.

That's what they're measuring. That's the plan. So it could show that it's narrower by the road, so to speak, but then when you go down to the property line, that's when you get the 60 or 70 or whatever it's supposed to be. Correct. Yeah, you would need that. If the house is 40 ft, you're going to have to maintain sire setbacks. So if it wasn't, it wouldn't our floor plan wouldn't work.

Sorry. So it's this plan. So they're all looking That's nice. It's an answer to the point. Any other questions or comments? Yeah. Yeah. You were not the you not you didn't you didn't build the original I mean sell original homes that are in there that go back to when it was first open.

No, as a matter of fact, I don't know if I told you guys the story last time. I was just sharing some of my the story of my office earlier. Uh my mother was dropping us off to driving us to Metro airport me and a group of friends of mine for high school spring break when 1999 2000 we're driving to Marman and I was like they're building houses you know I was looking at the pricing I'm like oh they're building houses here from such and such. So this is how long it's been going on. So so no I did wasn't act I wasn't the original developer. Um be interesting if I was um but uh we took it over in like 2013. I think I think it the sales ended like in 2007. There's been sad foreclosure for a while along with the golf course and we ended up picking it up around 2013 2012 2013.

Did you guys close out the public hearing component? You did good. Yes. Yes. Closed out. Good. Thank you.

I do have one question for the petitioner. separate issue. We going to get some senior affordable housing somewhere at some point because we need it like ranch condos, no basement. Um, it's needed for real, not for rent, but for sale. Well, I might be in front of you guys next year for something else on eourse. So, see how that goes. That'll be welcome. Excuse me. I'm sorry.

So, I'm going to go back to the driveways for just a second. So, when these people buy their house, okay, they are told that they have to um seal the driveways.

It's in our due care. We're actually going to be in light of what's going on, we're reinforcing that because now um we're taking a bunch of different measures. I don't want to get too technical with it, but um but we're actually going above and beyond and what we have to do putting addives in our concrete. So, funny enough, I asked one of the the owners of the ready the readym mix company that said, "So, if we go ahead and neck this year before we because we wanted to meet with them before the season officially started, like uh Mr. Kemp was saying, the season doesn't really kick off until like April, middle of April or so." So, that's why we want to meet with them to make sure to address all these issues. says, "If we go ahead and we do all this due care from a a builder standpoint and we're still having pitting or scaling or whatever you whatever you call it,

what are you guys going to do then?" And he says, "This is a trial and error. We we don't know." So he's like, "The problem's so large." He's like, you know, at that point, then we can go after we go after the manufacturers. Problem is there's only two man companies in the entire US to manufacture cement that goes in concrete. So it's really much monopoly, which that's a whole different stuff to talk about. So, right.

But to answer your question is is I would like to tell you would is there a silver bullet for it? No, it is a little bit of a trial and error unless they change the restrictions back to how they were pre2021 or 2022 whenever it changed. Um, but we're working with each customer to to see what the concern is that they're pretty much all the same. Some are worse than others. So, it's not that we're just saying no, we're not doing it. But I had we've had had instances where we have pictures from our our service guys that will see someone with rock salt on the drive. That is a huge no no. Especially when you've been living in the house for under a year because at that point you're going to have problems with it. Yeah. Because rock salt will just

Don't put rock salt on Yeah. Especially if it's fairly new. Yeah. Correct. I mean we we put it on our roads obviously, but your roads are what 8 inches thick or whatever it might And there's the headers they put in there because you're have, you know, 30,000 cars driving through every day. So then what do you recommend for driveways? Uh, don't put anything on it. Nothing. I don't on mine. No. Okay. No. We do it on our our commercial properties because we have to. And again, I keep going on about this, but and I have problems with that, too. We have to replace some of our office, whatnot. So, are any of the properties in there elevated where they have to drive up like this to get to their garage? Uh, are they pretty much flat? There's not a whole lot of driveway pitching. Not Not really.

I'm just curious because, you know, if you get ice out there, you're not going to get up there and get in your driveway or get in your garage. There might be some pitch, but I don't know if there's any any there's any that are like, you know, beyond what, eight or 10% or something. So, is question. Is there a warranty for the concrete? Uh, it is. It's limited. We're constantly that's an ongoing issue. This is what I was explaining to them. I'm going to talk to them outside in the hall about it. There is a there is a warranty for it, but there's also a due care with it. So, yeah, cuz with concrete, like from my understanding, what they're talking about is like the craters in the concrete, craters and um stuff like that when it start to pop like little circles everywhere on the concrete.

Yeah. Sometimes that can be from um over drying and finishing and uh air pockets inside of the concrete. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not saying so that's what I'm that would I do understand the stuff from readym mix but then like some of those problems is from the finishing work from it. Correct. Yes sir. You're 100% right. So that's why I'm trying to see what type of warranty um do you have for concrete cuz yeah you shouldn't put um rocksaw on concrete. Um, I get the ceiling part. Um, even with ice melt, the little white pebbles and stuff like that. I can understand that with putting that down. But

some of those issues that they're saying that's not so much of the material. It's a finishing issue. Yes. Yeah. That's why we look at each one individually because it's not like like I said, it's not one sizefits-all. So, we as each warranty claim comes in there, we do eventually look at each one. Right now, we just have an abundance of them because this other problem going on. Um because like what is it? Cracks. The hairline cracks in the driveway. That's that can happen anywhere. It's not about the installer. It's not about the material. Um what time of year you do it like that's just something that can happen with uh concrete. But some stuff like what they're talking about, that's not so much of the u the material.

It sounds either a finishing issue. Sounds like the issue I mentioned at hand with with with the you know obviously the uh the durability of the concrete. So So again, we have to address each one and see and see. I can't just say, "Yeah, we're going to go ahead and replace everything because I hate to say it. Someone mentioned that they had a big U-Haul truck on their driveway after we moved in. I would never let that on my driveway because the less weight you keep the less weight you keep off your keep off your driveway the better. Right. So um not to say that's the reason why it's happening." Yeah. So, um, yeah, you obviously I don't if you're in the trades or not. Be Yeah, you know your talk. Yeah. What you said spot on. So,

got you through through the chair. Um, couple of things. Um, state of Michigan has a 12-month warranty on new construction. You can call Lancing to find out about it. On certain extenduating circumstances, they'll look up to 18 months. So, as a citizen, just know your rights. Um, but I do know that there are certain um, counties and cities and townships, they do not allow you to pour between November and April.

So, and some of those counties and cities and townships don't necessarily have some of the concrete issues that we've heard about. So, I don't know if that's possibility to the issue, but as a realtor, I do know I get a lot of clients that do new construction and the builders stop pouring about November and they do not start again until like midappril. Clients are usually happy, but at the end of the day, they understand why because the builder is like, I'm not pouring something I can't stand behind. So, there's just those considerations. So

that's right too. But you could we all know we live in Michigan. It could be 70 degrees in November 10th. So we So we basically I think you could say it's after November November 15th. It's kind of like it's always weather dependent. But yeah. Okay. Let's bring it back around to the PDA. All right.

Question. Uh, somebody from the uh crowd asked about the public hearing. It did close. Um, the public hearing closed. Yes, it's closed. Yeah, I think somebody from the public wanted to talk. If you want to entertain any more comments, who wanted to speak? Last one. Last call. talk about it because we brought up about Could you put your name on the record again please? Just we have a recording secretary so she st 31726 Pine Valley.

Thank you. Um I wanted to bring it up since we're talking about concrete.

Um we were getting ready to move into our home like two weeks before closing and the porch itself. So, we have a covered porch and the porch itself, it was damaged and they came to fix that and they poured two different concretes. So, the mix doesn't match, just cosmetic, but they said it's structure. So, um but we're having problems with the porch. the porch. Um the finish on it is uh cracking and all these different things. Salt is not being put on the porch. Sand, nothing because it's covered. So, I just wanted to bring it up. There's an issue with concrete. Okay. And it's on my porch.

Have you filled out a ticket for it? Yes. Told us it's structure. Deal with it. Yeah. How long have you been in the house? Six months. Six months. Oh, so you're like in you're like brand new? Yes. Is your driveway also having a problem? Yeah, the driveway just started. Yeah. So then you're within your year. Yes. But my porch walking in two weeks before closing was the issue and they told us just to deal with it. Right. Well, the porch should also be covered under the one-year warranty. Mhm. Not longer. Okay. Yeah. But it was they told us that's it. Just deal with it.

They told you deal with it. Yes.

Yeah. Do you want to come up here and talk so we can all So we have emails. We have documents. Yes. Okay. But I just wanted to bring it up because we're talking about concrete. It happened on average, right? And it's covered. If you've just if anybody's just moved in less than a year and you're starting to have problems, okay, or start to see problems, I would contact them instead instead of waiting till it gets worse. We did we did we we brought it up even closed, right? Yeah.

Okay. I just wanted to make sure you're aware of that. Thank you. Okay, back to the PDA.

What's your vote on? There's still any more questions. Any more questions on the PDA? Yes, Madam Chair. Um, yes. Go ahead.

What I would recommend to the residents if you all could through your HOA. Well, I still would file a complaint, documented complaint, so you can have it dated. So if there further action is needed, you would at least have some written documentation that you filed a complaint at such and such time. So you can go back and try to get it resolved from that date instead of this date. Are you finished, Mr. Long? Yes, ma'am.

I guess we're ready for a motion. Madam Chairman,

get my papers here all together. Okay, go ahead. I'll make a motion to appro for approval of PDA 2020-00001 fairways and gateway amended preliminary PDA site plan and second amendment to the PDA agreement. This will be going to city council subject to conditions identified in the consultant department's report. Um, so a question. Uh, oh, sorry. Yeah. Can somebody second it? I'll support you. We can have discussion. After that,

no, then you can have discussion. So, you motioned it. You you seconded and so now we have discuss. Sounds like he wants discussion. Yeah. So I just want to make sure that the eight recommendations plus the um six recommendations of OM is included. They all are all subject to the conditions identified the consultant and department. Okay. Very any discussion? No. Nope. And you may second it. I second it. Oh you second it.

Yes. Okay, I have a motion for Mr. McLei supported by Mr. Blackfeld to recommend a city council where the form go.

I'm sorry. Am I the wrong one? Thank you. All righty. to recommend to city council to amend the preliminary PDA site plan and second amendment uh to the PDA agreement uh of PDA 20201 fairways at gateway amended preliminary PDA site plan and that's the second one right? Nope. That's the first one. So, sorry. Are you still doing page?

Yep. Sorry, I didn't box them off. On the bottom of page three, the very first one, the amended preliminary PD plan and second PDA agreement. It's first one, right? That's what I read. That's what you read, right? Okay. What Dan read? Yep. That's Leave it at that. That's all you leave it at that. Yep. It's easy when you guys don't make changes to it. I'm getting confused. Okay. All righty. Mr. Mcelli. Yes. Mr. Gladfeld. Yes. Mr. Green.

Yes. Mr. Croba. Yes. Mr. Boad. Yes. Miss. Jameson. Yes. Miss. Rasco. Yes. Mr. Long. Yes, Chair Boest and is recommended to yell. Okay, next motion council I should say.

Next motion to recommend approval of SPR 2026-004 the bluffs at gateway. This will be a preliminary condominium plan amendment to this will go to city council subject to the conditions identified in the consultant and department reports support. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Minelli supported by Mr. Black to recommend to city council.

City council the preliminary condominium plan buffs at gateway SPR 202604. It's preliminary condominium plan amended amendment to the city council subject to conditions identified in the consultant and department reports. Any discussion? I'm not repeating. Mr. Mc Mr. Bad. Yes. I'm sorry, not you yet. Mr. Gladzel. Yes. Now, Mr. Bad. Yes. Mr. Nova, yes.

Mr. Green, yes. Mr. Long, yes. Miss Rosco, yes. Miss Jamson, yes. Chair votes yes. That one is recommended also. Shall we both of these?

Okay, we're going to go down to number eight, which is TA 202601, Southern Gateway Text Amendment Discussion. We're done with you. Oh, dear. And this on my sheet here. You're done.

And who's going to handle that?

Jessica is going to handle this. They are This is an amendment to the Southern Gateway, which as you know is an overlay. And now that we're using it um and starting to apply it to projects coming in, we have one right now that we're we're using it under and we're just finding some things that need to be cleaned up. So OHM has graciously uh started that for us and we want to get some discussion going with you guys to get it more formalized and hopefully next month then we'll have it in a in draft form and ready to to look at in that uh in that way. But we needed to get some direction from you on a few things. anytime you're ready.

Sounds good, chair. Um, so what you will find in your packet is that we put together a memo of some discussion items that uh we would like to have some input from the planning commission on um in order to then um that will then let us um make some recommendations to you on revisions to the southern gateway. Um the first one is that there is there was a discussion and I believe a lot of the southern gateway language was crafted by MKSK with uh Brad um at that time I think did a lot of it

and um the the discussion at the time was that the traffic uh impact study would be required if you had 50 daily truck trips or 10 peak hour truck trips and then that in turn would also require a special land use um that is a we we are finding that that's counterintuitive to the type of zoning that is along um Warman Road and then also along uh Wayne Road. So you have um industrial zoning in that area. Most every um most every use that has come in it has more than 10 hour 10 peak truck hour trips and then more than 50 daily truck trips. So, um, we're finding that that is, um, that's something if if you're coming if they're coming to you often for a waiver or variance to something that's in the ordinance, then that's when we stop back and look and see if there's something in the ordinance that might need to be changed.

Um, in the for all other zonings, it's uh 50 peak hour trips and 500 daily trips. Um and typically you equate uh a truck one truck is equal to two passenger cars. So even if we were to um equate the regular zoning to trucks, it would be 25 truck trips in a peak hour and 250 truck trips during a peak day um or sorry maximum in a day before we would require a traffic impact study. So, um we are suggesting that we do not um necessarily for the southern gateway require anything above and beyond what is in the rest of the u what's the rest of the uh city is governed by under the zoning agreement the zoning ordinance. So I chair if you're okay with um taking one point at a time I think it'd be easier to to get discussion at that point. Um so open to any recommendation or any any thought of either eliminating the um restrictive traffic impact study requirements in the southern gateway or at least increasing them to something that is more akin to what's in the rest of the zoning ordinance.

So either eliminated or increasing. Yeah. Mr. back it up.

At what point, you know, we get more and more density of truck traffic, different businesses. Now, maybe this one is whatever the new proposal is, but somewhere down there we're going to get a cumulative impact of all of this traffic. So, at what point, how do we handle that? Well, in regards to uh warrants for bypass lanes, del lanes, um or center left turn lanes, which Warman already has a center left turn lane. Um those are all still governed and those are still all required. It's just the next step up is the traffic impact study. And um the majority of the mitigations that a traffic impact study would come out to say that are required are going to be things that we can check on those Wayne County graphs. And then we can let them know based on the number of um the ADT of the corridor and the number of truck trips that they are going to have in a peak hour. That would let us um help them or that would guide us to recommend to them that they would need a a bypass lane or a del lane added to it. So, I guess what I'm saying is that the traffic impact study is um above and beyond the tools that we already have that will help us with any mitigation necessary when a when a site comes in.

Who are we helping by changing this requirement? us. Um, a traffic impact study typically adds a lot of time for a developer to um on the front end of of a um uh submitt process um because they have to collect the counts and then they also have to do the analysis. Um, so it's uh it's a cost and a time savings for the developers to get to a point where we have the tools that can get us to the mitigations that would be recommended in the in the study. So what you're saying is the tools that you already have are utilizing is duplicating what a lot of the traffic impact study is shown.

Correct. So if we raise up the requirement higher, it'll be triggered later. period. It would be triggered later and it would be um if if someone was coming in and they had a very um dense use, if they had a lot of trucks that they were going to propose, then that's at the point where you say maybe we need more lanes on Warman. Um but the uh the sight specific mitigation that's can occur doesn't need to have the traffic impact studies um at the lower level of uh trucks. Okay. Thank you. Yep. M Kathy and then Mr. Long is here.

I want to talk about uh Pennsylvania road. We know it's a class B road. It's getting quite a bit of truck traffic right now. Hiron Township does a great job patrolling it. Frost Law's just come off, so they've backed off a little bit, but I don't see anywhere in my future that ever being upgraded to a class A. I don't know how we we really can't put anything over there unless be a class A road. And that's uh 100% on Wayne County and whether or not they have any um if if they have the funding or if it's in their master plan to make Pennsylvania a class A road. Um the majority of the properties that are along the Warman corridor and along the Wayne corridor are going to go north to um Eureka and then access 275 there. So, no one that has come through with the proposed site plan to date has stated that they're going to send their trucks down to Pennsylvania. Here in Township does have um development that will come up from their properties, but we don't have a we currently don't have a way to to um patrol that other than like you said on the class B road. They they can be patrolled then.

Thank you. So, I'm I'm thinking because we we're trying to steer a lot of the um truck companies in that corridor. I'm thinking raising it, not eliminating, makes sense because if they're going to save money to build over there instead of building on the north part of the city, which is where we're trying to keep them away from, maybe that's one of the features that we need to look at. As far as what I'm what I've learned is that as you said, if we keep having to come back and do the same thing, then that means that we need to make some adjustments to what we already have on the books. So, if we're repeating that with waiverss and things like that, then that means what we have is not working. So, we need to make it work. But I'm thinking, let's make it attractive so that they build over there and have the trucks over at Eureka 275 because that's where we we keep trying to get them to go and so it'll cost them less money. It'll be more attractive. We maybe we don't have to have as many issues with them coming north. So

through the chair, I what we can do is we'll we'll do additional research and come up with a um raising that 10 and 50 to something that makes sense for the the uses that are being proposed.

So it does raise a really good point and it's a point about this district that we've talked about since it was initially drafted and even back to the master plan, the property there is M2. Um, you guys are probably much more familiar with our Vining Road overlay and all of the things that happen there. Much more restrictive type district where we're actually restricting the type of uses that property is regional center. Much of it switching over to M1. Down here's a little different. It's starting out a little bit more intense. So at the time when this um what was addressed in both the master plan and then move forward to the zoning ordinance uses were not as you'll see in there there's no little chart that says what uses could go down here. So it's something we didn't really talk about too much. Actually we did we started it um and actually when I saw it on here when it said uses permitted and traffic studies I initially thought oh are we going to talk about uses? Are we going to need to bring it up or what what should we do? I is is that something desired that we do want to restrict some of the uses down there? I mean, I think the way that we were doing it was this traffic. Um

well, but it's not really worked. No, because there's everything that's coming in is some sort of logistics, some kind of logistics. Right. Right. Which I don't think there's there's any problem with that. Um from the You know, a couple of them are are higher. You know, certainly Kroger is at a at a higher level with what they do there. Um, this one coming in for Project John Ron's cold storage, which is a, you know, needed, you know, needed aspect of that. Uh, but when you talk about just straight trucking, um, you know, there's logos that's there now

in Janasco or that's manufacturing. So, yeah. So if there is any I don't know I don't know if we're all set it's there anything any other commissioner comments

do the chair yes you know over on Pennsylvania there I wouldn't say it's a proposal but it's a um through the county and the um other areas around there. They're talking about putting a I don't know if it's going to go under the tracks or over the tracks roadway. So, I don't know, you know, would that create um another through fair for truckers that don't want to be trapped by the railroad. So when you talk about increasing, would that give them the green light to say, "Hey, we can travel that road." And like you say, that's not a class A road. So how would that affect the proposal? So the uh the grade separation that you're referring to um at Pennsylvania and the railroad that would not necess that's not going to automatically increase the um the class of the rest of the road. So there would still be the the class B restriction um during the winter months that is currently there. Um it in order if we have a concern with trucks leaving Romulus businesses and going south to Pennsylvania rather than going to uh Eureka and 275, that concern is better addressed by requiring them to provide a traffic management plan um during the site plan that they would then have to either they they themselves or anyone that they lease to would have to adhere to. um a traffic impact study would not necessarily give us the same it it wouldn't give us the result of having a traffic maintenance plan that would be associated with the the project. Um and I would say that those

are definitely unique to the use that's coming in for the project and it's something that could be it it's a tool that we can use that's outside of the traffic impact study. Can we add that? Um, I would say that that's part of the reoccupancy or the uh it's something that we can ask for. It's not necessarily something that needs to be added into the ordinance. So, we've seen it. We've seen it when we get spec development. Um, it's on the North Point plans. It is.

So, not being a when you take away the special land use aspect of it, we lose some of the stuff that's required. special land use. That's where it comes from. You know that that's a that's been a condition on some special land uses. So, I don't know. We can do a little we'll do a little bit more of a deep dive and see if there are any other adjacent municipalities that have um language in their ordinance that talk about a traffic management plan and and maybe bring those um references to you next time. That would be helpful. Thank you. So, you're going to look at that and bring some more stuff to us.

Yep. Okay. So, that's the traffic impact studies. Um the setback requirements. Um this is another one that we have been grappling with as we get new developments along the west side of Warman Road. Um between Warman and 275. Um, we are recommending that we have some clarity on what the 80 foot setback can contain

and what it um what it absolutely cannot have. Um, but there it is limiting the way that the the language is written right now. Um, we do think that a the setback this uh passenger vehicle parking and drive aisles could be screened well enough from I275 with the landscaping that's required that those could be allowed within that 80 foot setback. Currently nothing is really allowed in that 80 foot setback other than um storm um other than um the landscaping BM and um utilities buried utilities.

Go ahead. I remember when this we put this together, the whole idea was to make sure as you come into our city that you're not looking at construct and you know big buildings and trucks and

so we put these deep setbacks to screen everything push everything back away from the road so we you weren't looking at industrial buildings as you came in. Now maybe this this administration's changed that view. I don't know. it. So, I'm not um I'm certainly not at all recommending that we change the um the trailer storage, outdoor storage, or the building setback. However, most all of these buildings being the height that they are, they require a emergency access for the um for fire equipment or for emergency equipment all the way around. Um this one in particular that's coming in is proposing to use the fire aisle also as um passenger vehicle parking. So that is something that is easily screened with the um the landscape BM and the landscaping. However, it's still within the 80oot setback. So you're looking at something along the lines of 80 foot setback and less zero visibility within

within that area. Yep. So the um just changing the the type of amenity or the type of site um amenity that can be put in that 80 foot setback allowing some leeway as long as it cannot be seen from the correct. Yep. because they they have to put pavement in all the way around these buildings so that um the emergency vehicles can can uh circulate around the building. Um so it's uh I think it's fair to allow them to use it for some of their other requirements like parking. You know, I know what the intent was and I can understand this. I can see that be u agreeable in my mind as long as our intent was not to have blight looking right onto our roadway. Right.

You know what would be really good between now and our next meeting when we talk about this is for you all to go up and down 275 in that area. Um, I went down Saturday and when you're going on when you're going southbound, I mean, you can see Kroger at this time of year. You can see the Kroger on the other side of Warman, you can, you know, Janasco. it it's it's right there. But logos of and I think the intent was primarily the trailers that that the that's the big thing to screen and um yeah drive it and see what see what you think about what you're seeing and

and what you're saying is makes sense to me. We we want to prevent the the ugly stuff as our gateway and I'm agreeable what's being proposed. Let's see how it works. And it seems like the plans that have come in, it has been this fire lane thing. You see, these are big buildings. They need, you know, they need to to be able to circulate around. And so, it's not the trailer storage. It's right there. It's just some of this. Well, the one how far back is trailer storage on No, it's not in that area. Yeah. Everything that we've had so far, trailer storage is well outside of that was on the other side. and the trailer storage um or the dock doors are north south facing rather than east west facing. So

so we got it down. Um but it's just it's something that I see more I'm going to see we're seeing more often because you already have pavement there and they're looking for um the ability to to meet some of the other requirements of the site. Right, Mr. Herman? Yep. I can see how that would look something like a Northport North North Point where they have their administrative parking along the roadway and in the back is all their trailers. I could see something where it would have like a limited to one or two rows of administrative parking or employee parking. Logos is like that. Yeah. And you see that in other places going down the freeway. You see that very very common. Y

um any other comments? um the building appearance and materials. One thing that we are have continuously run into and I'm going to ask for your help a little bit is that the energy requirements for the type of use that are coming in um are requiring more of the tiltup panels and um more of the specialized facade or specialized building materials. there is an opportunity for them to um level up on the type of facade that they're using. The the tiltup panels can have uh ac um aesthetic or decorative on the outside. However, the way that the ordinance is written is uh it's pretty clear that if you don't have the 50% brick on the at least the front yard, um that there are some pretty it's a it's a waiver. And uh we are consistently finding that that is a waiver request that we're telling them that they need to ask for and then provide the um the reasoning for it. And I don't know if you want to add anything. Yeah, I know. We're seeing a lot of buildings with with those tilt panels, but they can do there's there's many things they can do architecturally, like just to make it more a three-dimensional look, not a flat wall all the way down. They can be they can they can add awnings. They can do things with,

you know what I mean? When they with their coloring to make a building still look good even if it doesn't have brick or, you know what I mean, 50% brick on one whole side of the building. And there's new there's new things coming out all the time. Yeah. That they're using. So, I mean, I I I I actually like the idea of can we look at this to cuz I think you can find a building that looks really really nice that doesn't necessarily have 50% brick on it. You know what I mean? I think there's a lot of buildings out there that they can that they can create that'll be very nice looking from the roadway, from the freeway, from everywhere, even though they may not have 50% brick all over them.

Right. Didn't we just approve the building that had um on the front that they had the panels and we hadn't put stripe across it? And that we've done that many times where they required an additional access stripe. Yep. And again, if they provide us with the color rendering of what they propose so we can see exactly what we're getting. That makes it a lot easier. Yep. Right. And like you said, in some cases that looks better than to have a brick front.

Yeah. And the one thing that we do come across with um the Warman corridor is that you do have two front yards and the I275 and the um Warman side at least for the west side of the road. So technically the those front yard those both front yards would require the 50% minimum brick on both sides on both sides unless there was unless they met some other um requirements within the ordinance and some of its setbacks and and again when you guys go out and drive up and down both sides I mean take a look at what's there and see what

um God which one was it? There is one that was relatively recent that is pushed back. It's Janesco. Janasco. Yeah. So it doesn't it's it wasn't required to have the the same um because they were so far back. But it it but you can you can see it. Yeah. You can see it. But it's not you know and again different times of year. It's very different out, you know, middle of summer when things are all out and everything's green. But

so if the if the commission is willing to um discuss different materials, we can come up with a list of other permitted materials that would also be um considered as part of the ordinance. And I think we should put in their requirements for accent and color. Yeah. And we we can do that and say if you are not using brick but you're using um the tilt outs that there's a certain amount of no blue. Yeah. No blue. We can do no blue. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. I am aware. Um

but again they they are not doing it out of spite. It is out of a requirement for the use of the building. Oh yeah. So um trying to give them some avenues that they they can go down. So is it possible that we can say we still want that 50% for those who can but for those who cannot due to the type of building that they need for their business then we would be willing to let them do the lesser 50 as long as we can approve those materials and that look.

Yeah. And I would say that you um the 50% would be should 100% be required if it's a spec building and you don't have an enduser. But if you have an end user like the ones that we've been um the specialized user that's been coming in as of lately, then that at that time submitting the re reasoning and requirements that they have for their building would allow them to utilize that clause. If that makes that would make sense to me, but I wouldn't want someone to come in and think they can build a lesser building just because. Right. Right. Okay. So the three is it 300 feet back where it's waved

if it's 300 feet back and over 80,000 square feet and if they also have 50% more landscape frontage green belt y so in terms of the frontage green belt does that work does that offset the view um um well it's when when you have 50% more plant material, you definitely have a screening earlier in the life of the landscaping than um than the rest of the ordinance.

So, there's a because there are a couple buildings in that stretch that are just I think it's just metal, aren't they? Are they metals sided? And I And they would have been before the Southern Gateway. Yeah, they are. That's it. So, they're you know Yes. They don't have the the landscape, I guess. What? Yeah. Now for the building um appearance the materials it's saying uh stop using um drive it and start using um the ephus material. What we were saying is that the ordinance it um it's has the specific brand name drive it in there instead of ephus which is what

drive it falls under. So we're just saying to clean it up and not put specific brand names like Kleenex Yes. Yeah. Facial tissue. Not so much of a good material for Michigan, but No. And actually, um I think the the ordinance specifically says that drive and can't be used. Okay. So, I'm we're just saying to not use brand names and we're not saying to change the way that I was just trying to make sure I was understanding that because I'm like you guys just the re

you guys didn't get the copy of the ordinance, right? The existing ordinance in your packet. Yeah. That got that got missed. You know, if you pull um you have to pull it up on the website because then you could see it. We'll get you. We'll make sure that we get you the architect. That's out of Florida. The actual ordinance that we're dealing with. You you'll definitely see it next time because when it comes in draft, I do agree with M. Jameson about if you can meet the requirement of the brick without you know please do but we will entertain the option of colored accent tilt out panels due to your requirements.

Okay. Especially if it's a specific user. I I 100% get it. If it's somebody wanted to build a spec spec building and we have no idea what's going to end up going in it,

right? Okay. Um if nothing else on the building appearance and materials, the the next one is the shared use path. And I do believe that there was a thought when um the southern gateway was coming in that we wanted to provide as much non-motorized facility as possible. Um however what we are finding is that most of the most of the existing has a five-foot sidewalk in front along um Warman Road and um the 8ft pathway does definitely take a lot of the area that they want that they need for their landscaping and um we are finding that most of them are coming in and asking for a waiver to to meet the Um, sorry, I'm trying to think of the word I want to use. Meet the the uh aesthetic of the the corridor right now. Most no one has an 8 foot pathway um along all of Worman right now. They all have five foot pathways and we definitely want to continue requiring them to put that pathway in. We get questions all the time is why do I have to put a pathway to or why do I have to put a sidewalk to nowhere? and we're we constantly remind them that we are looking at the future of the entire corridor. We want a sidewalk from north to south after everything is um constructed. So um this is one that is it's certainly a preference. Um you as a commission have granted every waiver that has been requested from the 8 foot down to a 5 foot thus far. Um and we do feel like the uh Warman and Wayne a five foot sidewalk would be adequate for the amount of use that it would get. However, we are still saying that on Eureka an 8 foot pathway makes a lot of sense. Um it's a east west corridor that

is going to be traveled by more than just um maybe the workers that are within that corridor. And then Pennsylvania, not knowing exactly what's going to come in there, we um are also recommending keeping that as an eight-foot pathway as a requirement. So, um our recommendation is the 5 foot along Warman and Wayne. That makes sense. Definitely. any any nos to that recommendation?

I'm I'm figuring trying to figure it out. Okay. We're picking and choosing. I guess warm and Wayne. What you're saying is you're not going to get enough pedestrian traffic to warrant these big sidewalks. But when we're going east from now, the east west, I get I think we need to keep the 8 foot and anywhere we may get generated traffic. the east west definitely you are connecting to neighborhoods where you might have bikers or walkers or more pedestrians using Eureka. Um Pennsylvania is yet to be seen. I if there are is a lot of um development that's proposed on either side of Pennsylvania then I think there too you would the city and the residents would benefit from an 8 foot side or an 8ft pathway east west. Does the bike trail come up at Eureka and 275? Does it come out there?

Um, it is certainly at 275 there. I don't know if there's a come up at um Eureka and 275. No, no, it goes under, but it doesn't come up. So, you'd have to go all the way down to go you got to go down the north line. I got tricked into going that way one time. Okay. It Yeah, it comes up on the It's all the way on the west side. It's the west ramp.

Okay. I'm just saying when we have bikers coming off the bike trail down Eureka potentially. That's why a good reason to keep the 8 foot sign down there.

Okay. Um those were the major items that we wanted your uh input on. The the remaining items are a lot of things that we're going to try and clean up between the um the two references to the or the southern gateway and the ordinance and then also um references that are duplicate throughout the rest of the zoning ordinance. So, this is something that uh Carol had asked us to look into and these are our recommendations. By no means are they um end all be all. We were looking to see what you guys desired.

Very good. Once you see the whole ordinance all in front with these proposed changes, we can open it up to any other other things that you look at. And if you have any questions about Thank you for letting me speak to you guys today on this. Oh, good to see you. Were you doing this up north when you all the snow was around? Were you? No. Lindsay uh Lindsay did most of this and she and I just finalized it. So, it was not my snow um snowageddon work. All righty. Are we all set with that then?

Moving right along with number nine, which is PC cases involving advice or input from the planning commission.

Madam Chair, I love to comment on some tonight. We uh we have several businesses in Romulus that are putting these card readers in. They typically don't come in front of us during their planning stages. What happens? Most of those are 30 40 ft from the road. The residents are traveling and the semi-truckss are out in the road. They think that we have dropped the plans on that. No, we never seen the security reader. It's it comes after us. And I actually know about four of them right now and they're on roads that are not street lit. One of them is Northfield over there on North Line Saturn. Um also down there on Warman in Pennsylvania, you got uh I don't know how you pronounce that. Notco.

Janesco. Yes. and the carburetor and the semis are literally out on the road and there have been accidents there. I have personally seen them on my way to work as I travel around. I don't know what we can do about that. We probably can't get them to move them back now. Most of those trucks are 65 to 75 ft long and those readers are only 25 to 30 ft off the road and it does cause a problem. Yeah, I I am that's a good point. So, they're coming in, the gates are locked, and they have to give a card reader to get into the gate, and it's blocking the street. Right. And most of these roads there there there are no street lights over there. Yeah.

And there has been I just seen an accident the other week over there in front of Northfield over there on North Line, you know, west of, sorry, east of Middle. And uh there's at least four or five that I know of. No, we didn't drop the ball. We didn't know about it. Well, they should be at the setback line. Yeah, like Janesco has room for a truck, but there's not a there's not room for another truck. Trucks had to sit there, right? The trucks pull up in there, then truck. Well, they weren't declared on their site plan, then it would be an alteration that their fence and their gate were declared on their site plan. I don't know if their card reader was shown on it like you're mentioning. Yeah, I don't ever recall seeing them, but

yeah, we didn't drop the ball. We didn't see it. Yeah, sometimes those fences go away. Yeah. So, we didn't calculate stacking on a good point to bring up for people that are going to have locked gates and card readers like how that make sure that's going to that's going to stack. I know Janosco's is cuz every time I go over there, I have to sit and wait to to get buzzed in. Yeah, but you in a car though. Yeah, I'm going to cover. So, Janasco's got room for one semi, but if another one comes, they don't. They're blocked. They're 100 ft long. It's 100 foot set back from the road. I don't have the answer to that, but that's a good point. That's just something we got to work on.

Yeah, that's your homework. Do you know? And that could be part of a traffic management plan, right? Right. Thank you. Or the fence section. So we

Yes. Yes. I have one question uh in regards to our um exchange with Bradford when they were here presenting their prop petition before us. I was watching the meeting the other night when they were presenting to the city council and um I don't know if it was miscommunication on their part or they just came in and outright um told us something just to get their petition passed. But to my understanding, I was under the impression that that property that they were proposing to put the building on, even though they are leasing it from the county, that there would be um tax on that building. So now from what I understand is um there are some questions being brought up by the authority as to whether or not that can be taxed or not. Did we get any kind of uh clarification on that yet?

So the last do you saw was the city council meeting? Yes. Okay. So you saw they postponed it so that administration could work with the airport authority and get some stuff resolved. It's likely going to trigger an amendment to that conditional resoning agreement, but I haven't heard any details. Have you heard any details? I have not heard any details or clarification on that. Uh I know I was at that last council meeting where they postponed it and uh that that question was raised from the first council meeting because yes I per their presentation here at planning commission I do remember that was all everybody was under the understanding

they were going to build this this property was going to be leased to Bradford and this going to be a taxed entity and then I'm not exactly certain and it is going to be taxed from what they what They explained to city council and I heard it for the first time, same as you guys heard it if you watch the meeting, but they're saying it's only going to be taxed personal property tax, which they said is about $100,000 a year. Um, and that was a lot of the questions council came with from the first meeting to the next meeting and why it's postponed and the second reading hasn't been approved yet as they're trying to figure out what that what what what all that looks like.

You seem to indicate that there was going to be airport. It was the going to be airports building, the authorities building that they were going to lease to Bradford. That's kind of what I took it as. Yeah. Which means you can't tax them because they're tax exempt. But anything within those in in that fence line. This is outside of that fence line. Yes. I I I I 100% get your question. I'm asking the same exact one at this time at this point. And I'm I know that's why council has postponed it. Cuz just like the same building that they're building now over on Middle Belt, Safeway Safeway to Yeah, that that's taxable. That's taxable. So why can't that be taxable?

That is the question that's being proposed at this time and and we have not received an answer for that through the chair. Thank you. A lot of the questions um that were asked the other night, we didn't they were dancing all around it. They weren't giving us any solid answers. And like said, when they came here to us, we were underneath the stipulation. It sounded like it was going to go back on the tax roles. Uh not just personal property taxes. That's not something that was mentioned.

And then the other night, um like I said, they just danced all around exactly what we get, how we would get how all that was going to work. And there was just no clearcut answers. And that's why we put postponed and uh you know one number was 100,000 and then you know someone else come up and said you know in the in the long run we may see 68,000 and which is a drop in the bucket. Um so there's just a lot of things that have to be cleared up before council is going to approve that. Well, I'm glad that you all are holding their um foot to the fire on this one cuz that uh airport over there is not doing us any justice.

Exactly. Exactly. And that's what everybody's uh uh concern was and usually that you know they promise you the moon and they come in and give you nothing. So uh they're they're really um really holding it close. Yeah. So, need a lot of clarification and and a a lot of and and they're coming to us and they're saying, "Well, you know, my word, my word." Well, nowadays, you can't you can't do that. You you need it in black and white. And that's what we're telling them. We need something more concrete. We need it in black and white, and we need to know exactly what the bottom line is. So, that's where we're at with that right now.

Yeah. What what upset me about it when I watched when he was talking was, "Well, he's going like, "Oh, right now you're getting $9,000, but you're going to get 80 or $100,000, so we should all jump up and clap." That was the impression I got from them. Like, that was a big deal. There's just a lot of clarification that has to be cleared up before it's going to uh be able to be passed through council. Okay. Well, and to their credit, I don't think um the presenter, well, Chad was answering a lot of questions. I don't think he didn't want to he didn't want to say or document something that he couldn't back up. Exactly. So,

yeah, you know, and I will say through the chair, I will I building department wise, we deal with the airport a lot. All of their development, we have to permit and inspect and everything that goes on inside the fence lines and everything. And I mean, we have a the three and a half years I've been here, I've had a great relationship with the airport authority. Um there's a lot of things that intertwine on and I it's not city of Ramulo side, but my job building department doing that in there. Um I've always had a great relationship with them. Always been able to ask questions, get answers, everything like that. I'm hopeful that this one clarity comes from it because I was under the same understanding as you guys. And I think that and I know Mr. Newton that I've dealt with quite a bit has always been pretty honest and pretty straightforward all the dealings I've ever had with him. So hopefully some clarification will come from this. So I don't want to like I don't want to sit here and look like I'm I have a great relationship with the airport authority. They all they do a lot of things

that help in ways that we don't see inside the city. You know what I mean? as far as like at least in my department in the building department wise. No, thank you. Okay, we can move along now. We will go to reports on interest and designation. And the first one would be Miss Rosco.

Yes, I've got a a couple real quick ones and they're all coming up. Uh the main one this week is Thursday, Friday, Saturday is the free dumping day at the DPW. Um which is always very important. It's spring. Everybody's trying to clean out their yards. Uh Thursday, Friday, it's 8:30 to 3. Saturday, it's 8:30 to 3. Um also, uh Ramul DPW South lot, 12600 Wayne Road. uh dispose of large quantity of items and up to three bulky items per household. No commercial waste, no hazardous material, tires accepted. Uh I think they limit you to like three tires or something. You can't come in there with a pickup load full. But also the um very important thing is you have to have proof of your residency. And if you need more information or if you're wondering if you can bring what you want to bring, you can call 734-9427579 and get your questions answered before you get turned away for whatever you may want to bring. And that again is this Thursday, Friday, Saturday, April 23rd, 24th and 25th. So the next thing we have along with uh getting everything cleaned up is clean sweep. claims sweep is also this uh Saturday, April 25th. Everyone's meeting at the Ramills Athletic Center at before 9:00. Uh cleanup starts at 9:30. Um and it kind of goes from 9:30 to 12. Uh you go out and you you take your area. Uh bring a group of people with you if you got an area that you're interested in your neighborhood, what have you. um you know that's the things that we do and then everyone meets back up at Blue Sky

and you know we have ice cream what have you. So but anyways that's this Saturday April 25th meet at the Ramla Athletic Center at 9:00 a.m. and they'll have um registration and refreshments there in the morning. So, and um along with that in May comes our citywide garage sale. So, everything you don't take to the dump, but you still want to get rid of, you can have a garage sale, sell it to somebody.

Um free garage sale weekend as Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, May 14th through May 17th. Um rain days, of course, the following weekend after that. Um, important thing about the uh, citywide garage sale is they like you to still register even though it's free. You can go online and do that or you can call in. And also, if you want your address on the list that goes out, uh, you need to register by May 9th. You can call the clerk's office at 734-942-7540 for more information or you can always email the clerk at rmulusgv.com. So um that's coming up in May and we have our ecoair on Saturday May 2nd over at the Romulus Athletic Center um from 10 to 2. They got all kinds of stuff if you've never been to one. They just they have different presenters. Uh master gardeners uh here on Clinton Metro Parks is usually there. There's a butterfly group that comes in, but also they have free activities for all ages for the kids um for everyone. And um they had story time for the kids, things like that. But that is again Saturday, May 2nd at the Ramos Athletic Center and that's from 10 to 2. But that's just a fun day. If you don't have anything you really need want to do, especially if it rains, take the kids. It's it's a lot of fun. So, other than that, um, for now, that's all I have. And then in May, I'll come with a list of, uh, music in the park and different things like that.

Thank you. I have a question. So, you said the free dump. There's a list of what you can and can't dump. Um, I don't have the whole list. Uh um let me see where I'm at. What about bio? They just they just say dispose of large quantity of items. Three bulky items probably like couches, chairs, whatever. But the main thing is no commercial waste, no hazardous materials and uh and they do take tires. No biohazards. So no bodies. No biohazards.

No bodies. Okay. Just checking. Okay, let's go to Mr. Mcelli with the board von board of zoning appeals. I'll take that. Boing board of appeals. Um, I have nothing except I did attend a really good training out of Community College on the 31st of March. It was well worth it. Learned quite a bit.

Good. Um, a couple things. Bucks Oil did receive their variance on the orientation of the overhead doors. Um, New Mawa will be coming to see you on May 6th. And last but not least, Mr. Tyer, our favorite over on Middle Road did get they didn't get approved. They did not get the four votes that they needed for a used variance. They um came back attempting to reconsider. Didn't have a full board. Um, I had a very nice chat with uh the petitioner's attorney who happens to know our city attorney very well. So, they are chatting and figuring something out. So, it's to the next steps. I don't know that you'll see it again. The courts may see

that would be good. The courts may see it and handle it. So, it's a it's complicated. So, thank you for that.

Yes. So through the chair, I wanted to add so I went to the same uh um board of zoning appeals uh class that Dan went to and a couple of people asked me why since I'm on planning commission. I said why not? Education is key. But it was Dan said it was excellent. They talked about exparte communication which was right on time and a ton of other things about dos and don'ts. It wasn't really just strictly for the zone of appeals as much as it was board meetings do and don'ts period which also they did talk about planning commission and some of the other boards. So I would say future reference anybody else. Um, just because it says boarding board zone of appeals does not mean that if you're not on there, you shouldn't take it. The education was it was a good class and I learned a ton of stuff.

Doug Doug did that, right? That training that you guys went to. She's she's retiring by the way. She retired. It was her last day. That was her last class. Doug Doug Lan. Yeah. No, she goes. So Doug Lan did one of them. She did the online did um is that how you say her name? from. Yes, she's the one that's retiring. Okay. So, which one? That was the one. She's retiring and it was an excellent class.

It's Doug Lan who did the other one is our he's the one that writes your Carla Wartman reviews. So, um we are trying to get it. It's getting a date coordinated bringing Carla Wman in bringing um Dave Greco in for some of this you know procedural stuff and things like the exparte contact. Um, we do have Carla Wartman working on both the BCA and the planning commission, planning commission's bylaws, BZA's rules of procedure, getting those all updated and getting very specific with, you know, some things like that that we've been having to dig into records and make make sure, well, wait, the ordinance says this, the charter says that, the enabling legislation says this, the bylaws say that. So, but we're going to we got them doing a summer project. So,

no, I think we could use some risk management training and Oh, yeah. That sort of thing. Yep. Right. Okay. Anybody else? Any other interest designations that anybody wants to report on? Other than um Romulus Rotary is hosting at the VFW um around Hover Drive. I don't have the numbers, but a Cinco de Mayo um funfest that will be held on May 1st from 6:30 till 10:30. So, come and join us and uh we'll have basket raffles and a lot of fun and um camaraderie. That's for the good fellows, right? The good fellows used to do it. Rumless rotary.

No, no. What I'm saying is you're raising money for the good fellows. No, we're rum raising money for a rumless rotary. Oh, is that what you're doing? Yeah. So, it's not for the No. Okay. Okay. May 1st, that'll be it for me. We're ready. Next, we have communication and we have the project status report.

Yep. Just a few things on here to highlight. um Mirman School. Uh for those of you that did watch city council, they were also on the agenda on the 13th and uh for their introduction of first reading. So they'll be back on on the 27th to to finish up. Um there is also on the 27th next Monday pilot is going to be having a study session with city council at 5:00 and North Point Ramulus Trade Center 2 no trade center north um will be on the agenda for introduction and first reading on that night. So, your projects, your conditional resoning projects are making its way through uh this one tonight that you saw, depending on when they get their plans turned probably. I don't think they're going to have time. No, they won't have time for the 27th, but in May, right,

they'll be be getting getting to city council. So, that's the update on that. And if there's any other projects that you're seeing on here, we had a good meeting uh the other day with that's a project called Hiron Park, which is a mixeduse development um at the corner of Haro and Hiron River Drive, and that's a big one resoning special land use in site plan. So, uh working working through that. Um, you've got Storage of America, you've got Project Genron coming in, and few others here and there. So, plan on meetings the next few months.

Well, we have to be out here by 9:00. We're close tonight. Excuse me. Uh, Carol, what's what General Motors is doing? A lot of um construction outside over there. I didn't uh What they What they doing? They're actually doing they they just received a permit. They're doing interior renovation on a large area of the plant. Um, it's pretty big project. Um, nothing nothing exterior. They're probably staging over there, but there's no like What are you seeing exterior wise? Just stuff. Seeing paving over there. You see everything? Yeah, a lot of Well, I had to go look at that.

No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. And I just shut my computer off there. There is a portion where they are replacing some paving that that's a separate permit, right? But I didn't know that was happening right right right now today. But I do know that that was a separate permit. They have another permit where they're doing a complete renovation on a area of the building to change their lines and everything. They got to put a firewall in there and uh that's going to be a pretty big project. Yeah, they invested about $400 million over there from what I understand. Yeah, the permit permit fee was very large. We got to go. No, seriously. All righty. And the next item is adjournment.

So moved. Support. I have a motion for Mr. Mcnal. Supported by Mr. Jameson to adjourn. Mr. McLoly. Yes. M. Jameson. Yes. Excuse me. Just a second. Uh, Mr. Long, yes. Mr. Gladfelty, yes. Mr. Green, yes. Mr. Gad, yes. Mr. You have made the motion. Mr. Krova, yes. Miss Rosco, yes. Chair votes yes. This meeting stands adjourned.