Council - workshop

Well, OK. OK, the time is not 6 o'clock. The date is August 20th. And this is the Riviera Beach City Council budget workshop. Madam Clerk.

Mayor Douglas Lawson. Chairperson Bruce Guyton.

HERE.

NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. NEW SPEAKERS. City Clerk Deborah Hall is present. City Attorney Don Wynn.

Here.

Mr. Chair, you have a quorum. You may proceed.

Thank you. We're now going to have a moment of silence in the Pledge of Allegiance led by Mayor Lawson.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands,

Thank you. We're now down to introduction and purpose staff.

City Commission Assistant City Manager Kevin Coppin. This is the first publicly noticed five year capital improvement plan.

We're going to jump right into it.

I'm going to turn it over to the city attorney for additional comments.

Question before we do that. We had some other department areas that we didn't complete.

Yes, sir. That'll be on Monday's agenda.

I'm sorry.

Monday.

We have another meeting to address. Yes, sir. Okay. All righty.

How many meetings do we have next week? We have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. That's correct. No, not Thursday.

Monday, Tuesday.

It is something Thursday.

I think it is.

I didn't make the schedule.

Monday, I believe you have the continuation of the budget workshop that we did not finish with the department. Tuesday is the other budget workshop. Maybe Mr. Sherman can, I think for utility special district. Wednesday is the utility special district meeting. I don't have a meeting on my calendar for Thursday.

it's the cra okay and that's why so so monday the 25th is what the continuation of remember you i mean i'm sorry tuesday the 25th excuse me let the record show that councilwoman shirley lanier is president and also councilwoman um davis preneur i'm sorry um councilwoman miller anderson you were speaking

The 25th? The 23rd is Sunday.

The 25th on Tuesday.

The 25th is the Utility District Budget Workshop.

Question. We don't think we could have done all that on Wednesday on the 26th.

We can ask Mr. Sherman.

But what do you mean all of the utility utility meeting and the in the utility budget. And you know the meeting our hour and a half maybe.

I'm a chairman.

Yes. Again, Randy Sherman, Chief Financial Officer. The balance of the departments that you have remaining to hear from are all the very small departments. So they really should go fairly quickly. And again, I don't think your discussion on the utility will be more than an hour. So if you wanted to combine the 24th and 25th, I think you probably would be okay.

So Monday is when we were supposed to continue on the department. Correct. Councilwoman Miller Anderson was talking about the utility district meeting and the utility district budget hearing.

So she was asking you about... Oh, you mean for Tuesday with the Wednesday meeting?

Or if... Part of Tuesday can be with part of Monday and then the other half on Wednesday.

Yep, either way.

And not have to meet on Tuesday.

Yeah, I think you could do it in the two if you want to do it that way. We could do that.

But the utility budget meeting, instead of having a full meeting on Tuesday night, just do half of the utility budget on Monday along with the city's budget. And then the other half on Wednesday with the utility meeting. That way we will not have a meeting Monday.

I'm sorry, what was that?

I said the utility district budget meeting split that up and do the first half after the city department budget on Monday, since he said that was a smaller department and then do the other half on Wednesday after the utility district meeting. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY.

IF WE DO IT THE WAY YOU DO IT, WHAT WOULD BE OUR SCHEDULE? I MEAN, IF YOU DO IT THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT.

I'M SORRY.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT THE WAY YOU ARE SUGGESTING.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE A MEETING ON TUESDAY.

OKAY. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

BECAUSE THOSE BUDGETS, THOSE DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN HERE THREE, FOUR HOURS WITH JUST THAT. I mean, unless somebody, you know, want to drag it out. But I think we can split them up. And the utility meeting is usually not that long.

I don't mind trying it. I mean, I'd rather try that. If we start running into 10, 11 o'clock, we're going to carry it over to another day. I'm not standing here to admit that.

I mean, well, we've got four days to choose from.

Okay. WE CAN TRY IT. AND IF THEY START RUNNING TOO LONG, WE'RE JUST CARRIED OVER TO ANOTHER DAY.

NEW SPEAKER Yeah, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NEW SPEAKER OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. STAFF? NEW SPEAKER SO WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL TUESDAY. NEW SPEAKER CANCEL TUESDAY AND NEW SPEAKER SPLIT IT UP BETWEEN MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

PUT IT ON MONDAY AND THEN WE'LL FINISH IT ON WEDNESDAY.

NEW SPEAKER PUTTING WHAT ON MONDAY?

NEW SPEAKER THE UTILITY DISTRICT BUDGET. SPLIT IT FOR MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

We got it. Okay. So I understood. Understood. Okay.

Then you all just send an email out so everybody knows what we're doing.

We are following Councilwoman Miller Anderson's suggestion. And that is dangerous.

I appreciate that. Okay, staff. Chair. So Thursday is definitely out. No, it will be that out. But is Thursday still on?

Yeah, everything else is still on.

That's the CRA meeting.

Yeah, that's the CRA. Okay, staff, who's leading this capital improvement presentation?

Mr. Sherman will be up first.

Mr.

Chair? Councilwoman Miller-Anderson. SO ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING THE AGENDA UH YEAH THE CITY MANAGER JUST INDICATED THAT THEY WERE PREPARED TO DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR YOU I I WANT TO MAKE SURE UM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS THAT SECOND YES UM MR COPPINGS UM COUNCILWOMAN MILLER-ANDERSON It says the city manager, city attorney, mayor, city council. Do you all have anything before this capital to improvement project presentation?

No, sir.

Okay. What's the city attorney? Nothing. Mayor and city council, is there anything that you have?

I'm lost. What are you asking?

I'm going down the agenda. Number five.

But that's to go over the budget for those departments. The city managers are met. What do you mean.

Those departments going to fall on Monday that's what we just had a discussion about because we didn't do those at the lab budget here.

So we're removing 5 from you.

I know I know I think that it was just on here from the lab.

NO, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OVER CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET.

NO, NO, THAT'S MONDAY.

MR. CHAIR, THESE ARE JUST FOR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THEY JUST PUT IT ON HERE, NOT BUDGET PRESENTATION, JUST COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUDGETS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE ACTUAL CAPITAL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ACTUAL BUDGET FOR MONDAY BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. CORRECT. SO, WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE AN AGENDA SAYING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL'S BUDGET. FIRST. IT DOESN'T SAY COMMENT.

I THINK IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRINTED AS IT IS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO WE'RE SAYING THESE THREE OR FOUR ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE SMALLER ON MONDAY. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE AGENDA AND SAY THAT THIS IS BEING REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING ME THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FIRST.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. MR. SHERMAN.

SO HOLD ON A SECOND. SO CAN THE CITY CLERK SAY WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING?

CAN I SAY WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? YES. WELL, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SET THE AGENDA.

YOU'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT'S ON AND WHAT'S NOT. I'M SAYING WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SET AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING?

TONIGHT IS FOR THE CAPITOL PROJECT. THE FIRST YEAR 2027 BUDGET OVERVIEW AND DISCUSSION PRESENTATION CAPITAL PROJECT.

NEW SPEAKER That's it. NEW SPEAKER THAT'S IT.

NEW SPEAKER ALL RIGHT. NEW SPEAKER MR. SHERMAN.

NEW SPEAKER I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MS. AMMONS. NEW SPEAKER OKAY.

NEW SPEAKER THE FIRST THING, OOPS, SORRY. NEW SPEAKER TOO FAR.

THERE YOU GO.

I DID, CHAIR. IS IT OKAY FOR ME? HELLO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYONE JOINING US THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS LATONYA AMMONS AND I AM THE DIRECTOR OF PROCUREMENT FOR THE CITY OF RIVERA BEACH. ON NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025, THE CITY OF RIVERA BEACH CITY COUNCIL APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH SAUNA BLAKE DEVELOPMENT INTO THE NEGOTIATION PHASE OF ITN NUMBER 1106-24-3 Municipal Hall Complex, also known as City Hall. As we continue through negotiations, we are now moving into the next critical stage of this project, design and development. Tonight, staff and the Sonneblick development team are here to walk Council through the design, address key considerations, and receive the feedback and direction necessary to continue advancing the project. The design decisions being considered are about more than the physical appearance of City Hall. THEY WILL ULTIMATELY INFLUENCE HOW THE FACILITY SERVES OUR RESIDENTS, SUPPORTS CITY STAFF, REFLECTS IDENTITY OF RIVERA BEACH AND MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES TO COME. WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S ENGAGEMENT AS WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY THROUGH THESE IMPORTANT DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AND ESTABLISH THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PROJECT. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO THE SAUNA BLAKE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO WALK US THROUGH THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND CURRENT PROJECT STATUS. Chair.

Vice Chair Spiridon.

Yeah, Director Ammons, my question is from a procurement, I guess, are we considering this design build, even it's an ITN, I understand that, but is this, how is this being considered? A design build project?

Yes. Okay.

I guess, design-build finance.

And is the vice chair spirited or Mr. Bailey, for those who are watching, could you explain what design-build is? Yes.

Thank you, Chair. There are two traditional delivery models for construction. Historically, you have design, bid, build. That is where an owner will hire a design team, architects, engineers. They will get a set of construction plans and specifications. They will turn it over to a wonderful procurement department where they follow Florida statutes in order to put that project out to the entire market. And anyone who is qualified can bid on the project. And that bid is then based on the lowest qualified responsive bidder based on price. So it's a price-based solicitation. It is the longest of processes, but it also guarantees that you have market participation as well as the lowest cost. It is a cost-based delivery model. The architect and the contractor are not aligned. They are not on the same team. The architect and design team works directly for the owner and represents the owner. In a design build, it is what it says it is. The architect and design team and the contractor are now married in one unit. The owner tells you what you want and that design team will come back and say, we will give it to you for this price and we're going to bring all the technical skills together in one unit to deliver that product for you. It does shrink the timeline because the architect and contractor work together as one unit and they can seamlessly develop the construction plans that are the most effective and efficient for delivery of that particular product. It is shorter in time, but traditionally costs more in expense because there is some extra burden for the design team and the other general conditions for them to be integrated in that unit. But what it does on the owner side and why it was traditionally developed through the Florida statute is that when you have limited resources as the owner and you need to bring expertise in that you don't have, the design-build model allows that expertise to come together and it holds one entity accountable for the delivery and all the issues that may arise in the process. In design-bid-build, the owner retains the risk and the inconsistencies in the design product, and that's how you get change orders from the contractor when there's not perfection in the construction plans. THEY'RE TWO SIMPLY DIFFERENT DELIVERY MODELS. EACH HAS A STRENGTH AND WEAKNESS, AND WE CAN GET INTO MORE NUANCE AS TO WHY ONE IS MORE AVAILABLE THAN THE OTHER, DEPENDING ON THE GOALS OF THE ORGANIZATION. CHAIR?

YES, RIGHT, SIR.

SO BASICALLY WE DID DESIGN BUILD OBVIOUSLY FOR MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE. I GUESS THREE FIREHOUSES, TWO ARE COMPLETE, ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING THE POLICE STATION DESIGN BUILD. Most communities know when that project went out to bid for the design-build purposes, it went out saying design-build finance. So people thought that were bidding on this project, that were putting in proposals, thought that they were going to have to finance the project. But they did not have to finance the project because we ended up bonding the project. So the people that were building those projects did not have to finance it. So how many other people would have participated in that bidding process if they thought they didn't have to come up with the $20, $30 million pop and finance the project as well? Most communities know, this is just my own personal, from speaking to other city managers and working for cities, Most communities know that if they have bonding ability, they do not do design-build. They prefer having the competition, getting the cheaper price. It really does not add that much more time onto the project itself. We're going to have to sit there with the GMP like we did with the water plant. The water plant is design-build. You remember what we went through with the GMP numbers and having to get that finalized and back into a number we we probably would have saved 30 if we would have done it with competition and had fair competition uh with that project uh i just think that we're going to have to consider that now with this particular project do we do design build and maybe bond like we did on the other projects and just pay the sign of black group group off on the full cost of the uh the city hall project Or do we let them finance it and we pay them off? And if we do that, clearly we're going to be paying extra interest because all they're doing is going to a bank like we would go, I would think, that you would just go to a bank the way we do to borrow the money and we would have to repay them on whatever is worked out in the agreement for a payment period and the time on a payment period, whether it's a 30-year, 20-year period. whether it's a fixed rate interest rate, whether it's an adjustable interest rate. These are the things that we would have to figure out in the design build of a project of this nature, as opposed to bidding it the traditional way.

Thank you, Vice Chair. Son of 15.

Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, council members and city staff. I am Bob Sonnenblick, chairman of Sonnenblick Development. We've got our whole team here just getting started. You are correct in this is a design build finance. I only add one more very quick point to that. in that we are able to borrow at the same tax-exempt interest rate that the city can. We have come up with a financing package so there is no premium for our borrowing tax-exempt at the same interest rate that the city itself borrows at. That's why we've won all the other governmental projects and the other city hall projects, for example, that you've referred to and you've seen our million square foot portfolio proving that. Just jumping into this project itself very quickly. We are very excited. We've got our financing set for the project. What you're going to see is, as you mentioned, the city hall, brand new council chambers, parking garage, the sports complex that goes with it, and then on the south side of Blue Heron, the large residential project. Our team is led by Kauffman Lin and also Leo Daly Architects, MCO Construction. We've got a solid team with a proven track record of delivering government deals. And we know that time and delivery date is important to you. We heard that last night. We're ready to talk about all of that right now.

arena why don't we start this is arena from leo daily in west palm beach before you start i have a quick question you just said something that piqued my interest you said that you have financing already for the project yes is that for the entire project the the sports complex city hall all is or is that just for the residential area that you have. Oh, I'm sorry.

Well, we have the financing set. What you're going to see are again, as you said, are three separate components. The first two are the municipal city hall, that set and the sports complex. We don't have the financing done yet for the residential. because we need your input as to how much residential you're happy with. And until we get that, we can't do that, but we have the first two components ready. Okay.

Chair.

Are you going to be speaking about the piece, the vacant land on Broadway as well in this presentation?

Yes, that's part of our overview this evening. so good evening mayor lawson good evening chairman and members of the city council uh it is my joy to actually give you an overview an update on the design of the significant for riviera beach development and it's quite an honor to be part of this as you can see there are three components for this whole development Okay, is that better? Can you hear me well? Okay, so there are three components. The educational district, civic and recreation, and residential. And success of placemaking and development is having these three components to be seamless and working together really well. and I'm going to illustrate how this is going to happen. Of course, there will be a couple of phases that are part of this whole development, and we have worked out the process of how this all occurs, and we'll get input from you and from the community, so this will be one collaborative process as we move forward. So I would like to focus our attention on the civic and recreational part. Our goal is to achieve full site activation from the beginning of the workday all the way into the day and later in the afternoon and the evening, because that's what success is. It's not eight to five. This is a community-based, this is a city-based type of development. So the civic functions, city hall and council chambers, as well as all commercial and a parking garage, they're all focused and located on Bull Cairn. avenue the convenience of having the parking garage with retail at the base immediately adjacent to city hall and the council chamber ensures proper functionality what is important is we have adapted our initial design ideas and we have accommodated dedicated parking for everyone who works at City Hall. And this is where the government focus center is. This is the nucleus of the entire development. This is the new center of Riviera Beach. there is a very gradual transition seamless transition to a park-like setting environment and all the recreation facilities from variety of outdoor fields enclosed sports type of arena additional surface parking that is on the east side and what we'd like to highlight is an area that is next to the parking garage down below which is the future transit station for the trial rail type of opportunity because transit already entered development is an engine that will make this quite successful.

Can I ask a question right quick?

Yes. Is this Blue Heron that's going? Blue Heron is the one that is slightly on a diagonal and the rail is down below. I wish I had a pointer, but Bob, thank you. OK. That's the railroad. That's the railroad, yes.

Thank you. Where's the fire station at?

It's right there. You can see the cursor.

OK. Staff, do we have one of those red corners?

Yes.

We're trying to use the cursor on the computer.

Walter, do we have a red corner?

I don't think it shows up, but on the... It shows up for us, but not on the TV. There is nothing here. That's why they don't use it. They use the pointer. Okay. Blue heron on the diagonal there.

Okay, I got it. Up on top, you can see the fire station with... Okay.

I see now. Thank you. Yeah.

H Street on top, that's the train tracks again, so we can be... So right now you can see the outline of the zone where the transit station, the tri-rail will be located. Again, immediately adjacent to parking garage to where people from the residential part and the civic part can congregate and the recreation facilities.

Yes. Question. We have tried to get tri-rail in that area for a while now. HAVE YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT A STATION BEING HERE?

NEW SPEAKER Oh, SIR, I'LL TAKE THAT. AS YOU KNOW, I SIT ON THE TPA AND WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE TRIBAL STATION. REPORT CAME OUT ABOUT SIX, EIGHT WEEKS AGO ON STATION LOCATION. WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK? had a meeting in the last seven days with uh lake park city manager of lake park and his team came over we had a very robust conversation about their request for a trial station next to the fire station our request for a trial station at this location and that we we need to find a win for both of us because both of us cannot have a trial station a thousand feet apart so um that conversation literally seven days ago occurred with lake park and we're working together as well as their cra and our cra on What would it look like for a trolley to actually eliminate their need for a tri-rail station where they could really utilize ours and it would still work in their CRA to allow them to move their residents around? So the answer is yes, yes, yes, and even more yeses on how we deliver this tri-rail station.

So my question was, has there been a discussion with tri-rails? Not Lake Park, not Lake Park. Yes, sir.

At the study, the station study that was commissioned and went through the MPO, we were part of, and we have identified, and we can send that to you where the older graphic for our TOD is actually in the station analysis. And that is why we're one of the primary stations because we have land and opportunity and the length of rail to facilitate a future trial station. So yes, sir, all that's happened. Sure.

Okay, wait, one more quick question. It's going to be the same question. I know how they do analysis for proposed locations. My question again is, have we had discussions with TriRail? Not an analysis that they do without having to speak to us.

Yes.

Okay. and they have indicated an interest for Riviera Beach.

In the discussions, their only level of commitment because Tri-Rail Coastal Link is not given yet is that we will be included in the study and the analysis for the appropriate spacing for stations will be for Tri-Rail Coastal Link, which goes all the way to Jupiter.

Okay, go ahead Vice Chair. So I believe that the problem Tri-Rail has been having in the MPO is getting access to the tracks. They've been negotiating now for, geez, at least three years that I know of. I'm sure it's been a lot longer, but every meeting that I've been to the MPO on, this seems to come up and they're still negotiating and this has been going on for a real long time. But I think that eventually they will, in the original studies that I saw, they did choose Riviera Beach over Lake Park. in the studies. One study had them both in there, but clearly it doesn't make sense to have both stations that close. I mean, the dwell time alone, it would mess everything up. That's the time between trains, as you know, Chair. So I think that they're going to be, it'll be one over the other. It looks like they're leaning towards Riviera Beach, but once again, until they resolve the issue with the tracks, I mean, it could be 10 years from now. It could be longer.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN WE'RE RESERVING LAND IN THE FUTURE FOR WHEN THAT HAPPENS. WE'VE MADE THE PROVISION TO PUT US IN THE BEST POSITION TO BE THE BEST STATION IN THIS AREA.

UNDERSTOOD. THAT DOES STANDARDLY.

AND I WILL SAY, JEFFREY, COFFMAN, LYNN, WE'RE INVOLVED IN A P3 FOR THE CITY OF OAKLAND PARK WITH THE CITY HALL REDEVELOPMENT SITE. THEY ARE IDENTIFIED JUST LIKE YOU ALL ARE IN THAT SAME THING AS ONE OF THE AVENUES. cities and master plan what we've done is allow it to occur because if you don't then it cuts that so it's sort of the next step of master planning to allow it to fit in and they want to see what you see here so it is part of the moving forward in the process mr chair uh mayor lawson then vice vice chancellor thank you and i think with the phasing anyway with that um being that our water plant is currently being built and we're probably five

seven years out from closing that full water plant it falls right in line at that's the water plant location currently mr bailey correct yes so what i probably want us to do is one of the things is alternative options uh in the event we don't secure the tri-rail station what other uh option can we use that facility or that ground for in the next five to ten years and just give us some ideas and vision because if we're not awarded tri-rail worst case scenario what is an alternative for that for that site because that's still about a seven to 10 year phasing period. But at the same time, we want to see what it's going to look like in the community for the next 20 years.

So I would like to continue our overview with.

Just one quick moment. I just want to disclose that approximately five years ago, I submitted the P3 application to Lake Park for a train station project. where they're planning their train station. We've never gotten any feedback from that, but I just want to disclose for the record that the development group that I'm working with did put in a P3 application for a train station. So noted.

Okay, so I may continue? Thank you. I would like to reinstate how important it is our development and design commitment to actually preserving the integrity of the current residential community that we're building in. So imagine we're sitting on H and we're looking towards where the traffic light will be in turning into the community on Blue Heron. looking north so um what our design provides is a long linear park that provides this buffer to the existing residential that you see on the right hand side of the image which which are one story single family homes so we want to be respectful we don't want to tarnish what is already there we want to improve it enhance it and actually bring the community together so think of this a linear park along H as an amenity to the entire city of Riviera Beach, to the existing community and to those that will make their home and their place of work to be that new development that we're currently reviewing.

Go back to that. Go back.

So the linear park is on the left of H street and it takes pretty much the entire length of the residential segment of the development.

So no, no. My question is, Did someone say that that's Blue Heron Boulevard?

No, this is H. And all the way beyond towards the, that's where Boharan is. So our goal is to provide this green development segment that is a pure amenity to the entire city and provides this height buffer to what is already there. We felt that this is really important. As we said, all three components of this development, they need to work together. seamlessly together and they need to contribute to the existing communities and what is already there. So our suggestion is to have this linear park which is pretty much a green buffer, a place where kids will grow, grandkids will come and visit their grandparents. So another view into this is from an aerial perspective so you can see how deep in We're going with this park, we're terracing all the residential that is beyond in the street that is tying in from recreation to civic and coming all the way south of Bukhara into the residential development is the spine. The park is what unites what is currently there and what is the new to come. and comes all the way down to a different type of residential product, something that is really low rise to the edge and this can be townhome. So what we would like to offer is a variety. So the height intentionally increases only towards Bull Heron that you can see up on top of the image and towards the train tracks because we have the luxury to actually in a way provide a buffer and we can lift on top of parking Each one of these residential clusters actually has their own courtyard that is elevated on top of the parking that needs to be provided. But what you see along H is, in fact, that community benefit, that park that becomes a destination for the city and a great improvement. So could you go back, please? Yes. Where are the railroad tracks? The railroad tracks are, you can see the red cursor moving. There's the railroad tracks moving along that diagonal. And where is the existing homes? The existing homes on the south side image on that diagonal along Cage Street. So all this is one story, single family residences.

Can you tell me what the heights are of the buildings, the highest building?

Well, the highest buildings are five to six levels along Blue Heron. We can go higher, but it's three-story and actually cascading from two-story to three-story and a terrace on everything that is beyond the buffer. So height is slightly different where the civic center is and where the activation zone is.

Bob, I see you saying six, but I can count close to eight or nine on some of these buildings. So how many stories are there?

It's both. It's both. It's a transition.

So I'm asking what's the highest height?

The highest is eight.

Eight stories.

Eight stories along Bukhara.

Great.

Thanks.

Mr. Chair.

Mayor. With these densities and the number of units proposed, the 1,300-plus units, community conversations, charrettes, I like how you put the buffers in next to the single families, but I want to make sure that we address and have a clear plan for these community conversations, charrettes, and discussion with the residents first. THE DENSITIES AND THE FINANCING OF THESE PROJECTS. I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BONDED SOME OF THE PARKS, RECS, THE FIELDS PIECE OF CITY HALL, BUT THEN WHAT'S THE DENSITY, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE FINANCING COMPONENT AND HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY FINANCE THESE PROPERTIES AND HOW DOES THAT BREAK INTO THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING FOR LATER AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

NEW SPEAKER YES, THANK YOU. And a few words on the cohesion of design and how we move through all these elements. Imagine yourself, we're looking east we're on wu heron and the train tracks and the station is right behind us so you can see at the center structure is city hall with the council chamber a lower volume a two-story volume that is immediately adjacent the parking garage is to the front uh it's not just a parking garage we would like to make sure that there is a line at a retail that actually makes and contributes to the vibrancy and activation of Buharan. What is really important is we can use this fairly utilitarian structure to bring art and bring character into the community. So in very simple methods, we can actually wrap up the parking structure with uh work that is done by local artists that can be done on variety of materials so parking garage still works but this becomes your type of expression something that belongs to the riviera beach a question um does does this incorporate the concept of complete streets

or who's the planner in the group?

Well, we are, yes, because we're bringing all the functionality and we're taking what activates down on the street front. So that's what helps us to actually contribute to those principles.

And just for those who may or may not know, the concept of complete streets accommodate cars, walking, and bikes. And bikes all in the same. Yes. Yes.

In a safe manner with the right speed. Yes, absolutely. Having the right planning street profile is key to success. So there is plenty of width on Blue Heron to actually accommodate that. The depth of the green buffer so pedestrians don't walk on the edge of the street, which is never the feel of comfort. So all that, as you can see, we have not put all the detail yet, but there is plenty of width to accommodate.

But I don't see any back lanes, though.

Well, our intent is to provide a general overview, but we'll be more than happy to contribute with the exact street profile so you can actually see how each one of our locations is right there.

I would love to see that. If I may add real quick, you're looking at Blue Heron, which is a DOT road, but the cross streets where we control that are kind of going left to right on the screen, that's where you'd see it. This picture is in an orientation where you wouldn't see it, but WHILE IT'S BEEN CONSIDERED IS A LITTLE TOUGHER THAN WHAT WE MAY THINK INITIALLY.

NEW SPEAKER AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS MORE ON 30,000 VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

NEW SPEAKER YES, IT'S A VERY BROAD PERSPECTIVE, A GENERAL OVERVIEW THAT WE'D LIKE TO OFFER TO YOU TONIGHT.

NEW SPEAKER OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN LENIER.

NEW SPEAKER LET ME ASK, DID WE RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION BEFORE?

NEW SPEAKER WHAT INFORMATION?

NEW SPEAKER THIS PRESENTATION. NEW SPEAKER NO. NEW SPEAKER WHY?

I don't know, but that's the P3 part in the presentation.

I understand that, but we're supposed to have this information beforehand.

So is this a connoisseur?

What are we doing here?

Public meetings. Chair, we can we can only discuss during a corner silence during public meetings, so they can't send those via email. So only during public meetings can we have this information.

Yeah, I'm having some problems with following along because I have no clue about this information prior to this, and I really can't formulate any questions because I've never seen it before. NOT YOUR FAULT, THE PRESENTER, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FORMULATE QUESTIONS AND KIND OF FOLLOW WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. BUT CLOSELY... GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. Okay, so from the eastbound view, we will now switch to the westbound view. So we're standing at H and Blue Heron, looking towards the development. So it's the commercial entity development at the intersection that you see on your right-hand side. City Hall is the structure in the middle. And beyond is the parking garage with the retail at the base and past that are the train tracks and the intersection. What you see on the left-hand side of the image is the proposed residential along Blue Heron illustrating how we're trying to step back the development be respectful to the height and create this terrorist walk that actually will be very attractive to those that choose to live there without creating any kind of non respectful massing gesture towards the existing presidential development as you can yeah we go to five stories but at the intersection we're at one two three we see there is a gradual type of increase of height that we have tried to accomplish so we wanted to have very sensitive moves while we're still giving you the best opportunity to uh to realize the potential of this particular side but if you go back what is the view on that

That's what direction?

That's westbound. We're in Blue Heron in the middle and H. Okay, so heading west, Blue Heron and H. Thank you.

Correct. Blue Heron and H heading west. Got it.

So is there still some flexibility regarding the amount of floors that you're going to have? after you've had these conversations.

At this point, we're illustrating a potential with the general perspective that if there is a height increase, that needs to happen towards Blue Heron because you have civic structures and they have different height, obviously. So there we can be somewhat equal and towards the train tracks. Everything else is slow. We showed three stories.

I'd like to remind the council, too, that we are rewriting the former MIOP, PLAN RIGHT NOW AND DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S WRITTEN, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR MEOP OR WHATEVER OUR NEW TERM IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT PROGRAM.

NEW SPEAKER IT WILL WORK WITH YOU TO GET TO THE RIGHT SOLUTION. WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE.

NEW SPEAKER MAYOR, PLEASE.

NEW SPEAKER I WASN'T FINISHED TALKING.

But I hear what you're saying about it gradually increasing as we get to the track. But is there going to be additional conversations with the community in terms of how many units you're going to have in these different levels? Yes.

Yes. We're prepared to workshop with the community and work with the community as well. as we're collaborating with you. This is a joint success effort. OK, thank you. This is the starting point of our discussion.

Yes, Mayor. So twofold. I know we want to work with the community, but because this is a cone of silence, I don't think that we can actually have these charrettes during this until we've executed some form of a contract. That's the first thing. So this will be the only opportunity. Once we've executed a contract, will those densities and heights of these buildings be set in stone once the contract has been executed? yes and we've actually are working on a draft of that contract now just to give to you to look at okay so so just to clarify then because i think there was some misinformation that we're not going to have community threats prior to determining these densities as miss miller anderson just asked that's the first thing this the second thing is the financing and the cost of this. I understand the higher densities are able to actually offset some of our costs and some of our public facilities. I know that's the reason that we have some of those six, seven, eight stories right next to some of our single-story residential. But we have to be very cautious and careful. We want to minimize the impact on the taxpayers with allowing for some of this project to fund the actual public facilities. But at the same time, we cannot burden with 2,000 doors in Park Manor. So we have to also make sure that we talk about 22nd Street. So the money piece is going to be most important. I know this is just overarching, but we can look at these pretty pictures all night. We can tell you we like it, we don't like it. I think this is going to be good, but I really want to make sure that we spend some time addressing how we can actually finance this project, how we can develop it. Because my other concern is also the affordable housing component. A LOT OF THESE UNITS AND A LOT OF THESE DOORS THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING IN HERE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE. SO THOSE WORKFORCE PIECES IS GOING TO BE VITAL, WHICH I DO KNOW IMPACTS THE MONEY CONVERSATION. SO WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NEW SPEAKER THANKS, MAYOR.

I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WHEN WE DO THE AGREEMENT ITSELF, WE CAN MAKE IT ELASTIC SO IT COULD BE SUBJECT TO or changes by the city council based on community input. So that way we can go meet with the community after we have something actually executed.

Okay. Yes. I was going to make that point that the initial agreement is going to establish the relationship. There would be no way for us to lock in on every unit and height and without a real site plan. So just bringing that clarity, we're going to establish a relationship, how we move and operate going forward. The council will not be locked in at this next juncture with every specific in particular at that point.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Bailey. And also that will also in impact what we're going to pay or charge for land costs and participation. Correct.

Okay. And again, I want to take us back to H. So you can see the balance and the dynamic with the green buffer and the community park that is now uniting what will be the new development and the existing residential community. And now I'll take us all the way closer to the water. So we're on Broadway to the front of this image and the side that is bound by Broadway, 23rd and 22nd Street on each side of this residential tower. We're looking west into the sunset and the water is right behind us. so this is a very different character a very different site that is fairly narrow uh we're going with the current allowed zoning so we're looking at a base with amenities that belong to the community and there are amenities for the residents that will be in the rental so you can see the variety of what can be accomplished and the visual transparency and porosity uh for through the base of the building because as designers we believe that Amenities belong not only to the building, but they can be a center for the community. So we can have a piece of retail that is right on Broadway. And then we go to the units that are within the allowed massing. Given the narrowness of the site, it's in a way predicating the massing.

Do you have a site plan so you can show us where on Broadway, because not everyone is familiar where on Broadway this is going?

Not in the presentation, but we have developed them. But again, 22nd and 23rd.

Yes. 22nd and 23rd.

22nd, 23rd, and Broadway on the east.

It's on the west side of the city.

On the west side of Broadway between 22nd and 23rd, yes. Thank you. So that's what the street activation will be. Obviously, it's a different character. It belongs more to the waterfront of what Riviera Beach is developing right now. And it has a character that is both somewhat sculptural and exciting, but it gives quite a lot, not just a singular building. And I believe now it's time to look at timing jobs and the local workforce.

Good evening. One thing we do understand is the importance of the public side, the civic side and the amenities to get that on board, get it built, get it open and make it happen. Looking at the timing and phasing, the way we have taken what we're building now, what we've already built in other areas of these components and the way we're doing, if we can get a realistic interim agreement signed for the civic component, LET'S ASSUME JANUARY START, NOTICE TO PROCEED. THEN 22 MONTHS LATER, WE TURN OVER THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THAT PARKING GARAGE. THAT WOULD BE THE QUICKEST COMPONENT. THE IDEA IS GET THOSE OPEN, GET THE COMMUNITY ALREADY ENJOYING SORT OF THINGS ON THIS SITE. AND WHAT WE IMAGINE IS THE WHOLE SITE COMING UP AT ONCE, BUT NOT ending it all at once because the city hall and the library being the biggest component takes the longest time in 32 months. This is not construction. This is design and construction. So when you say start in January in 22 months, that's in under two years, the aquatic arts open basically in two years, your rec center and courts and everything's open. And then following that, the city hall would take 32 months to design and build coming on that. And we know we can accomplish it because of what we've done in other areas, because we've done in your facilities already with the city. And so this gives you an idea of when, if you bless this side, even if that residential is still taking shape, we can get going on some of these amenities, get them open for the public, because we know we've heard clearly that that's the goal of yours.

If you could go back. The phasing. I see that you have phasing of 22, 26 months. THOSE AREN'T ONE AFTER ANOTHER. ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM ARE PHASED FROM DAY ONE? SO WITHIN 32 MONTHS WE'LL HAVE CITY HALL, LIBRARY. 22 MONTHS IF WE APPROVE TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING. I'M SORRY, NOT APPROVED TONIGHT. DOES THAT INCLUDE DESIGN AS WELL? YES.

LET ME CLARIFY. THAT'S FROM NOTICE TO PROCEED. SO IF YOU APPROVE TONIGHT, WE GET AN AGREEMENT. SAY YOU BLESS THE AGREEMENT. at the end of the year, like December timeframe, whatever timeframe that comes back to you, you bless it. I just put a pin in on January start notice to proceed. That would be from that point, design and construction.

Okay.

Thank you. And yes, you are correct. Just to be clear, the whole site starts construction at the same time. And then instead of permitting it as one site, you zone it, your individual permits for the components. So that way you can take occupancy of those components while the other components are folding. So if you imagine we basically work our way out of the site to the city hall as the rest of it's open. Now we know time is of important, but we know this doesn't work unless we involve the local workforce as well. Given that we have now three stations, three major projects for you, understanding the components of this project and understanding the percentages we've gotten, we've been able to extrapolate it across the three different projects. Obviously with some of the discussion on what happens in the size of Blue Heron, the residential, you know, might affect that a little bit, whether the density and the phasing of that, but by and large, we know, and we commit to our partner with Ann McNeil. We understand the community, you know, I don't know if you want to say anything. So, but we have understand, and this is not extrapolated based on theoretical. This is based on the three projects, two of them, which have been completed and one that's ongoing. So this is relationships we already have ongoing with the community, and we will expand those relationships because this allows breaking up the components, whether it's looking at the city hall versus the parking versus the recreation. This allows us to involve even more relationships that exist within the community beyond what we were able to even do in the fire station.

So a question and you all may have addressed this. I just had a very important phone call, but Has the issue of charrette been discussed?

Yes. And how many? So the update was that we can't actually start until we get a notice to proceed with the community charrettes. But then we can have, as Vice Chair Sparrow said, some elasticity in the agreement to allow for the charrettes to have discussion in regards to the densities and heights. But we can't do that until we actually execute a notice to proceed.

Okay.

And in addition, not just the design charrettes, we will be doing a whole outreach program like we've done in the past and enhance it because this is even a larger and more component. So basically we'll do what we did with a lot more components to it for the public.

Okay. This question may have been answered as well, but this one is for Mr. Sherman. And you may have already addressed this. Yes. If our P3 partners have financing for the portions that they're ready to work on and we have bonding, how does that impact the use of our bonding? if they're got finance and they read it to put it up, how does that impact our bonds?

So if they're bonding, if they're going to take care of all the financing on their side, that's off our balance sheet. If we then enter into some type of lease that does constitute debt on our side, but it would save our bonding capacity down the line. But again, when we get to that point, excuse me, when we get to that point, remember, they've got to finance their private side, right? So they're going to finance all the housing and all that. That's on them. If they're financing part of the civic side of the operations, you know, we would do the analysis to make sure that we don't want to use our bonding capacity.

um but again it's all going to depend on on what they can borrow at first what we can borrow at yeah my question to son of like early on um of what's about financing and as i understood it he indicated that they have enough financing um but son of like come to the mic did it honestly uh no interest rates did i understand you correctly to say that you all have enough financing to do the city hall and the recreational complex now on this on the city hall we're totally set with the lease the long-term lease from the city oh wait no financing to complete the job?

Yes, the answer is yes. On the city hall municipal portion, the financing that we're doing on the sports complex is in conjunction with the dollars that you've already put aside. We're doing the remainder.

you said the remainder yes the remainder of what of 65 million dollar total cost on the sports complex randy would you explain to me what what he's referring to yeah so what he's referring to is let's say the aquatic center and the like is going to cost 65 million dollars

part of the referendum was provided $45 million to that project. So what he's speaking to is they would finance the other 20. And then again, we would figure out how that is going to get paid back from what sources. But that's what he's talking about. There's a gap between what we're bringing to the table and the actual cost of this project.

Okay, sure.

um yes uh it was vice chair spiritus and then councilwoman miller-anderson so i have one question for each of you uh director uh sherman if we commit if we if we have a loan now that we have to pay back from the sonnenblatt group let's say it's 100 million dollars uh we sign an agreement we are now on the hook to pay back that loan that's not going to impact on bonding

limit or a bonding ability if it's a lease it's treated differently than if it's a bond but again I think we're in agreement that the project itself will generate the revenues to pay that debt back whatever that source is and we're not to that point Because, you know, as you all know, I mean, you've been doing this long enough. You're all savvy enough. You've dealt with the marine. The financing and the economics on both sides is determined on what they ultimately build, right? And I think the mayor touched on that a little bit earlier. So that's really what we're trying to get to tonight. If this is close to what you're thinking of or close that, you know, and again, numbers can change and we realize that. but are we heading in the right direction so we can start to tidy up and tighten up the financial side? We haven't even had any of those discussions yet because again, we needed to make sure that we were heading in the right direction with the project. But again, that will, there is a difference between a capital lease and an actual bond and how it's treated.

But it's definitely, definitely going to impact our bonding limit if we don't have enough income to pay it. I mean, unless it's guaranteed and you need a crystal ball to know whether or not people are going to pay their rent or not. You don't know what's going to happen to the economy. My question for you, Mr. Sonnenblech, do you have a letter of intent or a commitment letter on the financing?

Not yet. They're waiting for you to tell us to go get that. But we've had four meetings and they have looked us in the eye and said, Bob, as soon as the city is ready, we're ready. And I'm happy to introduce you to them, by the way.

That's for the city hall. That's correct. Okay, thank you.

Councilwoman Miller-Anderson. Then Mayor Lawson.

Would it be wishful thinking to try to build a complex under the bond amount so that we do not have to worry about the gap happening?

So that would be a task for staff. If directed by the board that the $45 million that's allocated is all we want to spend and have no gap, staff would have to then go back to the community and be removing elements out of the scope. So we would de-scope down to meet the funding that's available.

And how much is this, I mean, what around about the amount for what we're looking at? Because I feel like we're looking at a really pretty car and our pockets can't really afford that pretty car. And, of course, you look at the pretty car and you're like, oh, yeah, I really want it, but not realizing you don't have the money for that and it's going to come with the cost later on. So what do we estimate what we're looking at to be?

On which component are you asking, or the whole?

The sports complex area.

Sports complex number that we have, and by the way, we've got our sports complex builders and designers and operators with us here today. But the answer to your question is $65 million, and you are correct in saying if you wanted us to cut it down and get rid of that gap, and cut the project to 45 million, we could do that. Okay.

Let me interject because I think this may help in terms of some of the mentality we're doing. The one thing we can do, which we've done a lot, is look at with the master planning, with the budgeting, going through that first phase after that interim agreement of the design, we can look at phasing and the cost. You can go to this point and you get these amenities based on what you decide, and then we can add on so it can be phased over time. Should that be the will of the council? And we could provide you that information of exactly how much. So you're not necessarily cutting down the final vision. It just might take a little longer to make the final complete picture happen. But that's all, there's a lot of options that can be brought based on your direction.

I think that would, I would like to see something like that because especially if we're continuous and we may need to tighten our belts on things, if that would provide us the opportunity to do that. But in the future when things are better, we can continue to add on. Yeah, I would like to see that and get away, get rid of that gap if we can.

Very lawful.

Thank you. So I think it was Mr. Sherman. Thank you, sir. So the notice to proceed that we're discussing from this board, will that be issued once we have the final numbers for the costs? OF EVERYTHING OR WILL WE BE DOING THAT BEFORE? SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL A NOTICE, WE'LL WAIT ON THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS, THE CITY COST, BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THAT.

NEW SPEAKER I THINK THE ORIGINAL IS THE INTERIM AGREEMENT WHICH ALLOWS US TO CREATE THE COMPLETE COST AND SCENARIOS AND ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS THEN THROUGH THIS SO YOU GET AN INTERIM AGREEMENT And then when we come back, we have the complete cost phasing and we have different checks-ins during that. And then you bless the comprehensive agreement, which then says, go to the construction. So if you think of it almost like breaking out, even though we talked about design and construction through the whole time, essentially you're agreeing to a portion of the planning and design, and then you still have to approve how that takes out and that can include the charrettes and everything else. And then we get to the point then you approve the final price and scope.

So today overarching, you just want a direction if we're in the right path, go to the next step. Correct. Because there's a lot more questions that we have right now. So in understanding the construction, making sure the local participation as you guys did a phenomenal job with our fire stations. I see my dear friend Anne McNeil here. Thank you for coming tonight. and making sure that our residents benefit from this billion-dollar project, because this is a legacy project. So right now, tonight is just pretty pictures, as Millie Anderson said. We're looking at a nice car, but we want to make sure it's affordable for us. And I'm not sure how deep into the numbers are we getting tonight.

We haven't had the discussion yet, so we're not ready to go to the numbers. That's sort of the next step once you bless our ability to keep moving forward. I do not think we're ready to talk any numbers at this point.

Yeah, they just brought up the concept. And then are we going to discuss the phasing for the residential as well? Is that a part of tonight's discussion?

No, that really comes with the move forward, get the agreement, and then we're able to talk about it.

But we are going to be phasing the residential over four phases. Okay, so we're phasing including 22nd Street? I was talking more of the south of Blue Heron area. phasing 22nd and 23rd. We should be starting very early in that. Okay.

So I think direction for tonight, I'm not sure how much more presentation we have, Right now, the discussion on the residential is going to be key because that's going to determine what does our cost look like on the city side, municipal projects, because I'm sure some of those dollars are going to generate revenue. And then also the direction and the possibility of having profit shares with whatever construction is built. I know the city is not planning on selling any land, so I don't want to sell land. We want to just be partners with this land so that we can retain some of the ownership. AND PARTNERSHIP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND CONTRIBUTE THOSE DOLLARS BACK INTO THE CITY COST TO DRIVE DOWN THAT COST AS WELL. THE FINANCING PIECE. I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL BUT WHAT DOES THE FINANCING LOOK LIKE? DO WE HAVE PARTNERS IN PLACE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AS OF YET?

NEW SPEAKER I'M FINANCING THE MUNICIPAL SIDE. WE AS WE'VE DONE ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. anticipate a 30-year fixed-rate tax-exempt financing at approximately 5% fixed interest rate over the course of the... It'll match up with the lease for the City Hall building. And today, if you go borrow on your home, you're probably borrowing... Rates have gone up. You're probably borrowing close to, yes, 6.5%, 7%. This one we're locking in today in the fives, fixed for 30 years.

So we're still a little far out from that financing, but thank you for that update. But I think just to remind the board that when we originally put this ITN out, the land on 22nd Street and the land south of Blue Heron, The current well site was supposed to draw down the cost of City Hall and the parks and recs. So that land was originally used to buy back the other, to buy down the cost that was going to our residents. So we want to make sure that we have that clear discussion. We can't just talk about the municipal side without making sure we're clear with the residential side. How are we developing it? What's the cost? What is the split between affordable workforce and market rate? And then where do those dollars go number for number so we need to make sure that's crystal clear to know what's the housing projects look like because we can't finance city hall without making sure that our prime land especially the waterfront land we have a three acre lot intercoastal views that is worth the last appraisal was close to seven eight million dollars just for the land so that can help draw down the price on everything else so we need to make sure we have the full picture so right now just municipal is good but we still have more to this

And we have listened to your request and in our models have included a city participation in the profitability of the residential to help you cover that land you're talking about. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Vice Chair on Spirit Edge.

Okay, so I just... CAUTION THE CITY AND I HOPE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE STAFF TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE IN WITH THE WATER PLANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OFF RAMP HERE, AN EXIT RAMP IN CASE WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE GMP NUMBERS. THERE HAS TO BE AN ABILITY FOR US TO MOVE ON AT THAT POINT.

CHAIR? TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO HOW THIS PROCESS WILL GO FORWARD. AS WE DID WITH THE FIRE STATIONS, THERE'S AN INITIAL AGREEMENT AND THEN THERE'S THE FINAL AGREEMENT. IN THE INITIAL AGREEMENT, THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE RELATIONSHIP WHERE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU REQUESTED CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AND THEN WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT BY WHICH WE CAN PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES. RIGHT NOW IN THIS PERIOD WE'RE IN, there's no money changing hands. So there's a limited amount of things that how this works. We get an initial agreement, which we discussed the design fees, deliverables, the charrettes, the timeline, and all of the things that we're discussing today to get to that next phase. That is why when I said before, we're not gonna be locked in on anything on this first agreement. It is an agreement for us to go to the next step. We're courting still. We're gonna go on some dates. We're gonna spend about $50. They're gonna be lunch dates, no flight out. This is what we're going to do in the next phase so that we can get you all the answers that you need to make sure that you feel comfortable with where we're going. And at any point between the initial agreement and the final, we will be able to offer it. And that will also allow us to own the assets, all the drawings, all the things. We will then now retain ownership and have choices of what we do with that property when it becomes ours.

Right. That's exactly what I was trying to get at, Engineer Bailey. It's the last phase when we get to the GMP where things start getting a little exciting. And we just want to make sure that we have the ability to back out of there and keep the assets just like you say.

Thank you.

Chair. Yes, Councilwoman Lanier.

Let me ask Ms. McNeil. Yes. I WANT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT HER CONTRIBUTION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION?

YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PROJECT.

MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT How much time you have? My contribution to the project, first of all, as a born and raised resident here in the city of Riviera Beach, I cannot really express my excitement. It has taken me of my 48 years as a licensed general contractor to finally be able to impact my city of Riviera Beach like I've done for the city of West Palm Beach, like I've done for Broward County, like I've done for Miami-Dade County, and like I've done for the city of Atlanta and other places that we've worked. So my contribution, first of all, starts as a licensed general contractor partnering with Kauffman Lynn. But I think more important than that, And we haven't talked about this yet, but we had a group of individuals that committed to us to work with us in construction and also in some other areas on the previous project for the CRA. We're looking to bring those same people as a part of this project, even though we didn't win that project, we still won the relationships with those individuals who were born and raised in the city of Rivera Beach. And so our commitment on behalf of my involvement, in addition to partnering with Kauffman-Lynn and partnering with Sonneblick, but to make sure that local residents are involved in the project, but also existing firms who are looking to start their businesses here as mom and pops in terms of identifying opportunities, which we've already been in conversation with. Plus, like Jeff mentioned earlier, the firms that have worked with us on the three fire stations, we've committed to all of them. without fail to participate on the development of this project. Now, one of the things that I said when we submitted to you for the CRA project is that what makes our residents small businesses work is to be able to work continuous and contiguously. Can I say that again? Okay. We need for the residents to be able to walk to work. Does that make sense, everybody? Mr. Co-Chair, does that make sense? We need for the residents to be able to walk to work. And what I mean by that is this. When we have a plumber that have people that work with him that may not have transportation, to be able, within the city limits, to get a ride, or get palm . But to be able to get to work without having to go out of the city limits to work. So what we've been able to do is continue to add more and more and more Black firms as we continue to get work. And this project, more than any other, is allowing us to take the individuals we work with and new firms and add to be able to take them from project to project to project and that's what where we come in as mco consulting and also mco construction so thank you so very much for that question yeah i'll ask that question because we're talking about a lot of money

We're talking about basically transforming the city with this project. And I wanted to make sure that someone local, someone who knows this city is able to have the people who live in this city participate in this. This is something that is going to for the next 20 years. And the people who live in this city should benefit the most from this project. And I just wanted to make sure because we have developers and people who are on STAFF AND WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO, AS YOU SAID, IS A PLUMBER OR CAN CUT GRASS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THESE PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS VERY METICULOUS, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM INVOLVED, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WAS ON STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, AND OUR COMMITMENT IS TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I HAVE TO LIVE HERE. And so I don't want to face the chair or any of you in the future and say, you know, why we didn't do XYZ. And so I will make this commitment to anybody who's listening to me. If you have anybody, anybody, anybody who's looking to work, my number is 786-546-0184. Because with this amount of work, we should be able to find something for almost anybody, but it's a two-way street, if you will. And so even with the students, we're looking to see, we have a lot of students who are studying construction, architecture, engineering, and we're looking to see how we can include them as a part of what we're doing. So we're open and I'm open. That's why I give my number. Thank you for the question.

Thank you. Mr. Chair? Yes. I DO HAVE A SERIOUS QUESTION FOR MS. ANN. 46, 47% PLUS PERCENT ON THE FIRST PROJECT, FIRE STATION 87. 53% FIRE STATION 88. THAT'S AN EXPECTATION. THAT'S A GOAL. AND I KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT. But based upon those numbers that you guys far exceeded, the 15% that was announced previously, I want to make sure that on this billion dollar project, to your point, we can meet similar numbers. And to your point, not just the people that worked on that fire station, this entire community can become multimillionaires. based on building city facilities in this community. So every plumber, every contractor, and that number does work. So make sure they call it because I want them to benefit from these projects that we're putting on the table. And if they can build this, not only can they live, work, and play here, they can actually be gainfully employed here as well. So I just want to make sure we get that out.

No, absolutely. I am a Rotarian, and I spoke at Rotary this week as the speaker for our luncheon, and I will be inviting each of you individually to come and present to Rotary. And many of our Rotarians live on the island. Can I say that? Many of our Rotarians for the city of West Palm Beach that are members of our local Rotary live on Singer Island. And it was amazing to have them come up to me. They don't look like me. I'm the only person in Rotary that look like me, just so we're all clear about that. Okay, just want to make sure we're clear. And it was amazing and encouraging to me to have each one of those guys that don't look like me to walk up to me this week after I spoke at Rotary and talked about being born and raised in this city and the project that we're potentially doing and the project that we are currently working on for the city and have them speak highly of the city and talk about how encouraged they are about seeing all of you change. And they're listening to us now, actually. And so I just want to encourage each one of you and really speak, if I can, to ask you to continue to do the good work that you're doing because The numbers you're talking about are not just for people that look like me. There are people who work and live in the city of Riviera Beach, and we know we represent everybody. But for those of us that just happen to look like me, that live in the city, And people ask me, for example, as the founder of the National Association of Black Women in Construction, and we represent 30 cities in the United States, but people ask me, why do you need a black woman in construction? And I just respond with this. It's just like being born and raised in the city of Riviera Beach. I am black. And I am a woman, and I am in construction. And I'm not apologetic about that. And I'm saying that as I represent the city of Riverdale Beach. So we have more people that live here than just those that look like me. So I just want to publicly say that so we're very clear that the numbers that the mayor just mentioned are people who are business owners in the city. And in addition to the numbers that he mentioned, a large percentage of those are black. So I just want to just make that clear. Thank you so very much.

And let me say that Miss MacNeil's reputation precedes her. She's not only respected in the construction space, I'm in transit. She's known nationwide in the transit industry as well. And I'd like to thank you for all you do for the country, not just Riviera Beach. Okay, we got to keep it moving now. Are there any further questions or comments on this item? Because we have other

Just want to make sure there were no more questions from the council. We do just want to talk about the next step.

Yes. Now, one thing I do want to say about P3. Yes, sir. Private public partnerships. Sometimes in these relationships, they start off at the beginning as being partners. And as the profits start coming in, the public sector seems to diminish in receiving some of those profits. If it's going to be a P3, it's going to be P3 to the end. Am I making myself clear, Mr. Sonnebitter?

Yes.

Yeah. 20, 30 years down the road, whatever the numbers are that we work out, that would be the city portion. We want it to the end, all the way to whenever the project is completed and done 30, 40 years down the road. Okay.

Okay.

And that needs to be documented that we get whatever the percentage is all the way to the end on the profits. Okay. Any other further comments? If not, thank you very much. Good presentation. We're looking forward to working with you. And you have a Jim and Ms. Anne McNeil. I'm telling you, she's very respected, very respected, nationwide.

So, Chair, based upon comments and discussion and based upon what was presented this evening, are we clear to go forward and move to develop our initial agreement based upon what has been shown and depicted in the presentation?

Mr. Chair. And let me just say that it's a concept.

Yes.

We're still early.

and the game and some things could change slightly but right now for me again um mayor lawson uh being that it's a budget workshop um just consensus is one thing but i think we may want to take a motion at the next council meeting just to discuss taking it to the next level um we can give you consensus we can have conversation but i i don't think that we should be voting on a workshop um but i think tonight is just they like it they want to continue But there's a lot that needs to be done, and possibly if you need anything in documentation writing or any clear MOUs, we can do that at the next meeting. Between now and then, I mean, it sounds like the board likes it and they can give their opinions.

Well, we have a lot of work to do, and we internally discussed coming to the late October meeting with something a little more substantive than trying to rush something out. So that was our plan. So you'll see the next iteration in a little bit more detail at that meeting, and we'll be able to take something a little more formal. We would love to get a couple of questions answered so you feel a little more comfortable when we come back.

okay thank you um wait let me go to mr sherman i know he's been standing there did you have some clothing but did you know oh no i'm ready to go to the next slide oh okay yeah it's time to move on because we have other yeah i i just want to make clear that we can give a directive at a workshop for the staff to move forward we don't have to do it by resolution so i think the staff understands that we want to move forward and bring us back something substantial THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A RESOLUTION ON, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A RESOLUTION.

NEW SPEAKER YES. AND WE CAN ALWAYS RATIFY THAT AT THE END. NEW SPEAKER COUNCILWOMAN MILLER-ANDERSON, AND I HOPE THAT'S THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD NOW.

NEW SPEAKER CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT HE MENTIONED?

NEW SPEAKER YES. MR. Councilwoman Miller-Anderson wanted to make sure that Kauffman-Lynn, Representative Jeff, had indicated that he can bring some phases and the amounts associated, the costs associated with the different phases. Want to make sure that that comes forward.

Okay, we've got to move forward. Just a quick comment and also make sure that we have a clear depiction of the residential and the financial impact and the partnerships of what we're going to be doing with that. Thank you. Okay.

Mr. Sherman, next item on the agenda.

The next item on the agenda, if you recall back in March, the board actually approved an initial resolution for up to $60 million of additional bonds. In order for them that evening, there was a lot of spirited conversation about exactly how those funds would be used in order for us to build out the capital plan for the public hearing and take it to the public. We need to kind of talk about that $60 million again. So Mr. Bailey put together his best effort on how he would see or best, you know, take a look at how that $60 million could be spent.

So- Wait, before you get started, one quick question. This 60 million is funds that had not been

assigned to a project so far all we've talked about is the amount because we needed to do the first item up there you see is the police station we needed to address that 22 million dollars so you approved the 60 million dollars in concept we'll say knowing that we 22 million of that would go to the police station and then the question was is if we want to keep it at just 22 and go borrow 22, we could do that. But we talked about $60 million three months ago, sorry, six months ago. So in order to complete the five-year capital plan, we would need to know if we're going to move forward with the 60 million or a lesser amount. And again, do we need to necessarily agree on every component? Not necessarily tonight, because we could just say, hey, we're going to do $18 million for street projects, and we'd be fine with that. But in order for us to move forward during the fiscal year, we'd obviously have to get the break.

Okay, one last question. And in my mind, I'm trying to see. If we have to use it, do we just because we have that, we need to go and find something to spend it on or. Could we have it for a rainy day? Do we have to actually go out and spend it all because we have it?

if if we issue the debt we have three years to spend the money okay if we don't issue the debt whenever you do issue the debt you would then have three years to spend the money from that point forward um but again the question is we don't have to do 60. we can do a far lesser amount But in order to adopt the five-year plan, we kind of have to have some direction on where the board wants to go with this.

Okay, you can move on. Can Director Sherman explain to the public and us how we got to the $60 million? We've already bonded a portion of that $60 million, haven't we? We have not. So this is a new $60 million general obligation bond?

Correct. Correct. we had the referendum bond that was approved of 35 million dollars for the police station the budget came in at 57 million dollars so we had to we know we had that 22 million dollars we would have to go and borrow so when we brought that forward we also brought forward uh the Callaway Park because we knew that we were going to do that land swap. So the Callaway Park is in here. The pool that we talked about at the last council meeting is in here. But then we also said, listen, we've got hundreds of millions of dollars of street projects that we know need to be done. So we tried to build out to the maximum debt capacity, borrowing capacity we had. In March, staff brought forward a $50 million proposal. And during the conversation that evening, some other ideas, concepts came up. So we moved it up to 60. Our capacity right now is 70. Okay, that's really where we are. So this would be 60 out of the 70 that we would be borrowing if we went to the full 60.

So we would be maxed out in our capacity other than the 10 million?

You would be maxed out. Well, you'd be close to being maxed out. And then again, as each year moves forward and you pay debt off, that then adds back to your borrowing capacity.

and and what i'm thinking about is i don't want to put any more debt on the residents than we actually have to because we're going to have to pay this right it's just not pretty much yeah then if that is the case and i'd say you probably would like wait wait that was just my opinion i have other colleagues up here so don't no but if that if that's where you would want to go i think you would have to do i couldn't tell if you had colleagues or not

i think you'd have to do the police station and probably callaway would you agree mr bailey i was i agree with whatever the board wants um so uh to that point this okay

the we have a parks master plan and we converted that parks master plan into an operational plan with costs associated with the improvements we did a road plan as you've heard us discuss we've turned that road plan into a cost right now we're into the 400 million dollar range to do all the roads so looking at

456?

456, I think. In last year's capital, there was a slide for it. I think 456 is about, if you came in and we did every road right now, 456 million, that's water, sewer, drainage, curb, gutter, sidewalk, the whole thing, if you did everything. So we have to obviously make choices, prioritize the roads. And as you see some roads, we were able to mill and overlay, which is the program that's wrapping up in Lone Pine as we speak. And then we reconstructed some roads. So looking at our five-year capital plan, looking at the priorities of our infrastructure, we tried to allocate the funds as best we could on this program. And if you look, as we said, Dan Callaway is a high priority for the board, for the community. $6 million is needed for the community center and four and a half million dollars is needed for the pool at Dan Callaway, which would come out of the $60 million bond. Because at this point, I don't believe there's another way to fund

callaway project if it doesn't come out of this fund source sure um yes right so so uh engineer bailey so what you're telling me is that the 55 million dollar recreation bond that we passed did not include callaway did not include any of these other projects this is going to be above and beyond the 55 million dollars that we've already

so the 55 million dollars there were three components 45 million for the project you were just looking at it at city hall three and a half for the beach front to do some work around the beachfront and six and a half million to go to callaway so this would add this six million and the four and a half for the pool would add to that six and a half and then i believe the school board is giving us five million dollars from their side for the project So you'd have just over $20 million to do Callaway Park.

Thank you, Chair. So just what I don't see here is the million dollars that were required to budget with the county agreement that we have for the sand and the additional millions that we're going to need in case the county doesn't come through like they didn't last year for the sand dunes and the beach protection.

So where would you propose that comes from? So the million dollars that were required to put it is in the operating budget. Okay. Um, you wouldn't be able to bond sand. Um, that's, this has to have a life equal to the length of the bonds. Um, so that wouldn't be included in here anyway. So again, we have the, we have the money we've carried over from w we're now going into our third year of that agreement. So we have the money that we have left over from year one. Now we'll get the 2026 money we have, and then we're adding a million dollars to 2027.

So we have a disaster line, right?

A disaster?

A disaster line in our budget. We have a line item that says disaster.

We still fund the major disaster fund.

So how much money do we have in that one?

Right now we have about $8 million in that fund. of which $3 million we've committed to Station 86. And we'll be adding just over $1 million when 27 starts.

So if we needed $3 million, let's say, for the sand, you'd be able to take it out of that line?

If it meets the definition. Right, right.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

Question.

Yes, Councilwoman Miller-Anderson.

SOME OF THE PARKS UP THERE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME WORK THERE RECENTLY. IS THAT WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, LIKE FOR SADIE MCCRAY, SOME OF THE RECENT WORK THAT WAS DONE THERE?

OR IS THIS FUTURE WORK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO THE SADIE MCCRAY IS FOR THE PHASE 2. YOU'LL RECALL THAT THERE'S THE RECREATIONAL AMENITY. the playground area that was on the north end. So in phase one, which under construction now, we replaced the basketball court on the south end. So there's the gazebo and the play area that was decommissioned about six months ago that needs to be replaced. So this 400,000 is for phase two of Sadie McCray.

Okay. And I'm just going to ask one more time about the roads. IN PARK MANOR SOUTH I KNOW WE HAVE 35TH FROM AVENUE J WHICH IS NOT REALLY I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT IS JUST NOT THIS YEAR TOO BUT UM THAT'S THE WORST AREA IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE ROADS BEING REALLY REALLY BAD AND I KNOW YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT NUMEROUS TIMES AS TO WHY THAT IS THE CASE BUT at some point we're not going to be able to do the major work that needs to be done to it fairly soon how can we get some of those roads repaired where they're not as bad as they are right now because they're horrible and i know we said there's a lot of infrastructure that needs to happen underneath BUT I MEAN, HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE GOING TO LET THIS GO ON AND CONTINUE TO SAY THAT? SO WHAT ARE SOME WAYS WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE TO THESE AREAS, EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO THE FULL RENOVATION, I MEAN, THE REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE PIPES AND STUFF UNDERNEATH, REALISTICALLY?

TO REFER TO MY MEMBERS I BELIEVE IN THE BOND NUMBER ONE IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PARK MANOR ROADS ARE NOT IN THIS BOND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO A BOND ONE NOT IN THE 115 MILLION NO NO NO THAT WAS JUST POLICE FIRE AND PARK OKAY TALKING ABOUT THE STREET PROJECT YES YEAH UM

I KNOW AVENUE E IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FROM THE CRA.

NEW SPEAKER I WILL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION DURING OUR CRA MEETING.

NEW SPEAKER BUT I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL PLAN, I KNOW AVENUE E AND 34TH IS IN THERE. NEW SPEAKER I APOLOGIZE. I'M LOOKING AT RANDY. THIS IS NOT THE FULL LIST. THIS IS JUST THE LIST THAT WILL BE FUNDED FROM THIS $60 MILLION BOND. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE OTHER FUND SOURCES THAT ARE NOT SHOWN ON THE LIST. AND SOME OF THOSE ROADS ARE IN THAT GROUP. That'd be later on, right, Randy, when we get to the five-year capital plan?

Yeah, I mean, we can come back to this if we want to do the rest. Do you want to see what's in the plan before we come back to this discussion? We can do that.

We're going to talk about it tonight?

Yes.

Okay, well, you can continue on if we are at that point. I understood that the last I knew it was, you know, it's just going to cost too much and there was no option to get it done. So if you're saying it's in there,

Well, let me jump down. So the what we did for the five year plan right now without the bonds included, is we literally took last year's five year plan We've kept the projects that are active and in process. That's that first column. And then what you see in 27, 28, 29, and 30, that literally is last year's five-year plan. We made no changes to that. So if you go down the project titles on the left, and this is two pages. Let me go down to the second page, I think there. SO AGAIN, YOU SEE THE FIRST PROJECT UP THERE IS 34TH. THERE IS SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR AVENUE E, SILVER BEACH.

That's not the area I'm talking about. It's south of Blue Heron.

Go to this page. We have Lakeview.

Some North Ocean Park Avenue.

And then general street milling and resurfacing.

So that's that does not count include any of those projects. I believe if I remember correctly, there was a push to address Lakeview Park and with the limited funds, I think some of the funds slid over to that Lakeview Park area versus Park Manor South. But that's why we're here with the conversation of how do we want to allocate the available funding?

I mean, you know, when we did the north side of Blue Heron, THE SOUTH WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER, BUT THEN THAT'S WHEN THIS BIG INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE BECAME THE REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING OVER THERE. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE POTHOLES AND SINKHOLES THAT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THE WATER PIPING OR WHATEVER IS THE CASE THAT IS BEING SAID EVERY TIME YOU FILL ONE AND THEN six months later is back again, we have to do something because nothing has been done over there. If you did from worst to best, that area has to be at the top of the list somewhere. Although I know we said the utility is the reason why we don't want to put any milling on it. But it has not had anything done to it.

Okay. That'll probably be a decision up here because wherever we take money from or put... No, it is a decision. So wait, let me finish.

But I'm just trying to get...

I know, but let me tell you where I'm going.

Go ahead.

We have to decide... what if anything we want to remove and put money in your area if if if it's going to happen it's just not going to fall out the sky somebody we have money to call out the sky sometimes around here well i've never seen it so it happens so we have to decide if we want to remove any of these projects that have been allocated funds okay that's what we have to decide that's the only way that so more money can be pushed into your area. But when we do that, everybody up here represent the district with issues. My roads and Monroe Heights are completely screwed up.

I know. That we know, and we've been down that road a hundred times.

I understand.

But the thing is, it was redone.

No, it wasn't redone.

No, I'm saying it was redone when you got the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But my area has not had any of that done, is what I'm saying.

But it's dangerous over there. Yeah. I want to go into that not because we had a whole plan laid out when I was in office in the new come first came in want to do something. And it screwed up. But I would like to get back to this we would have to decide what we want to remove yet. So we have to sit here all night and just talk about the problem you need to know that we're going to remove anything that move the money around.

It didn't didn't we agree I think was on the sale. OF THE 1851 PROPERTY OR ONE OF THE OTHERS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SPLIT THE COST BETWEEN LAKEVIEW PARK AND MONROE HEIGHTS.

WAS IT LIKE TWO MILLION, A MILLION AND A MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

I THINK IT WAS TWO AND TWO. I THINK IT WAS TWO AND TWO, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY ARRANGEMENT OF THAT.

I THINK THEY DID THAT AT A CRA MEETING. BUT IF THE CITY WAS A PARTNER IN THE PROJECT IN THE LAND,

Yeah.

So I think, but we all agreed that we were going to split that money a certain way between those two areas. The CRA board did? Well, we did it as the CRA board. It was the CRA that was selling the property, even though the city did own a small portion or part of that property.

It's about a 60-40 split. The city owned 60% of the Miami subs and the CRA 40. It's my understanding that... Executive Director Merzias and the city manager are in negotiations of how that, in the sale, when each entity gets their money, then what?

Right, but we did pass a resolution on how that money was going to be split. Because I'm not familiar with that. The CRA board did, and they were talking to the city manager at the time, but the CRA board did pass a resolution on what the split of those funds were going to be. And it was between those two communities.

So just for clarity, the CRA funds are going to be split that way or the city funds?

We were saying that we were hoping and we expected the city was going to do the same as the CRA board was because we wanted to split that total amount of money we were getting from the funds for road projects in those two areas, infrastructure projects.

I guess we need to try to find that revolution So we can see what it is.

So because of time, Mr. Bailey, can you can you CAN YOU ALL FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED TO GET AT LEAST SOME MILLING DONE ON THE ROADS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU CAN'T PROBABLY DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOW, OBVIOUSLY. BUT ON THOSE WORSE ROADS, WORSE THE BEST, WHICH ARE IN THE AREA AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD COME UP TO. AND THEN IF WE COULD CIRCLE BACK TO THIS AT ANOTHER TIME, AT ANOTHER BUDGET MEETING OR some time during a conversation to see if we can change some things around.

Yes. A real quick point. We allocated $5 million for the ocean beach park and the boardwalk that was discussed in last year's capital budget. I understand that there may be a change of the scope, a change of the vision. I WAS ABSENT TO A MEETING WHERE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO GO FORWARD STILL OR IT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE MAY HAVE THOUGHT. SO IS THAT $5 MILLION FOR THE BOARD WALK STILL AN APPROPRIATE ALLOCATION AT THIS POINT?

NEW SPEAKER What's my understanding there was $3 MILLION PUT IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS PROJECT And then out of the recreation bond, the $55 million in the recreation bond, $3.5 million was for the Ocean Park. And then we were going to pick up the additional $5 million through this bond. It's probably still going to be short the money they need, but we can do that in the design. We can just back into the number. But you're going to need the full $8 million. I know that the city manager's office had signage and other things they wanted to do there as well. but I think the plan that George Gentile did is still pretty accurate.

And the plan that Gentile has shown without a boardwalk, I believe fits in the $3.5 million scope that was in phase one. This additional supplement was just boardwalk funding. That's correct.

But it's my understanding the boardwalk may have changed. No, we were told that the boardwalk was coming and was going to be in, I didn't know where, I didn't know what was going to be done to a bond. But the former city manager said that he had that money coming for us. I didn't know where he was taking it from. But now I see that it's part of this bond, which would make sense.

Okay. One other thing regarding this information here. Can you also find out or give us the date? The last time we had work done in certain in that area versus moral height. That regard and what were the dates for the repaving of the road that have happened.

We have to move on. With the presentation and then if we need to make a hard decision to do that but with stagnant right.

BUT MR. BAILEY, CAN YOU, WHEN WE TALK AGAIN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BOARD WALK INFORMATION? BECAUSE YOU'RE DIRECTING YOUR QUESTIONS TO ONE PERSON. AND I JUST REMEMBER SEEING DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WITH THE FORMER MANAGER, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ASKING ABOUT OPINIONS AND JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COSTS, BUT CAN YOU FILL US IN AT A LATER DATE WITH THE SPECIFIC? YES.

OKAY, MR. SHERMAN. Finish your presentation. Let's get through your presentation because we have other issues after this too.

We're going to come back to the 60 million at a later time?

No, if this is where we are, just give the presentation and keep it moving. Okay.

Okay, so again, here's the five year CIP plan again, without the 60 million included. First item they have up there we have one project at the marina right now it is the final phase expansion. This project is estimated to be close to $25 million. But we have not been able to it's it's designed But we have been unable to move forward with this because we're still pending coming up with a seagrass mitigation plan that will be accepted. So that's the only project that's out there for the marina. Again, the projects that you have on the bottom of this page, these are really non-construction related capital type projects. And you see, I know with the last Councilman Spiritus, you mentioned that you brought up the issue about the fire apparatus when Chief Alvin was presenting his budget. Those have been included in this capital plan. And you can see again that they're staggered out because so they order it and then it'll come forward. And the Board did approve that. um going to the next page again now we're into more of the heavy uh capital type the parks the streets uh the projects that we have in that regard again these are the same projects that you adopted last year they're just being carried carried forward into this year i won't read all of these um but if you have a specific question on a particular project we certainly can address i think the mayor had a question so i'm assuming if you go back one

to the marina, the marina phase expansion. I see we're doing about 24 million total project for the expansion. What's our annual total revenue that we're receiving from that marina and what will it go up to with this expansion?

So right now we're bringing in about $6 million a year and we're generating sufficient net income here to fund this program going forward we just can't get the project going forward that expansion goes up it should add about 30 to 40 percent additional revenue if it gets up to capacity where we are now um so we're talking maybe eight million dollars to that point so generate eight million um and that's after we paid out fees and and management fees that's our that's our profit yeah

So $8 million annually with a $24 million cost over the next five years. Okay. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Okay. And let's write our questions down. Let's let them get through this presentation. And let's ask all our questions at the end.

And again, this is the final one for the city geo side. Again, it's the same type of capital projects. Again, we did not add any new projects on projects that are closed have obviously fallen off this plan. But again, if you look bottom line, we currently have $168 million of active projects. Next year, we would add additional seven and a half. And then over the five year period, we're adding a total of $22 million worth of projects. So that's the city capital side. The next set of slides that we have to conclude for the presentation is for the USD projects.

All right. So can I ask a question about this traffic calming before you move to the USD? Sure. What area is that for? Have we determined where those are going to be?

THE GENERAL FUNDING FOR TRAFFIC CALMING ARE REQUEST ONLY. SO WHEN SOMEONE REQUESTS A SPEED BUMP IN THE CITY THROUGH THE PROCESS, THOSE SPEED BUMP ARE FUNDED THROUGH THAT CALL CENTER.

NEW SPEAKER.

NEW SPEAKER. OKAY. SET TO MOVE FORWARD? NEW SPEAKER.

OKAY. SAME THING ON THE UTILITY SIDE. THESE ARE THE SAME PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE PLAN AND MR. GLAND I BELIEVE IS GOING TO address any questions that you have on these projects. No new projects have been added to this plan.

Okay. Any questions?

Yeah. On the utility district, I didn't see lift state. I know lift station 10 is having some issues. Is that in the budget or in a budget somewhere else right now? You have that funded somewhere else?

THERE IS A GENERAL LINE FOR LIFT STATION UPGRADES, THE THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM. THERE'S 2.1 MILLION, BASICALLY, FOR LIFT STATION UPGRADES, AND THAT IS WHAT WOULD FUND ANY UPGRADES TO LIFT STATION 10.

WILL THAT BE PART OF THE INTERCOSTAL CROSSING PROJECT?

WILL THAT BE INCLUDED IN THAT? WILL THAT BE PART OF IT? YEAH, THERE WILL BE SOME UPGRADES TO LIFT STATION 10 ASSOCIATED TO THAT WITH ITS PIPING AND STUFF. WE ACTUALLY JUST, AFTER THE LAST INCIDENT, WE ACTUALLY JUST DID some electrical panel interior component replacements to try to fill up the resiliency of that station.

But I see you still have a generator there, right? Is the generator still there? It was there a few days ago, so it's still there. Is that included in what you're going to be doing?

Yeah, the generator is permanent, so I don't think it's that old.

Well, you're going to put a permanent generator in there. You're not going to let that temporary generator sit out there in the open for the next 15 years. The people aren't going to like that, obviously.

There's a permanent generator at Love Station 10 right now.

I thought there was a green temporary general.

It's a bypass pump.

It's an emergency bypass pump. Okay. Is that going to be, is that finished?

We are leaving that there right now because the, so what created, what caused the issue at lift station 10 is one of the pumps had a direct short in the motor created probably by something getting jammed in the impeller. That pump is currently at flight getting repaired. There's three pumps in that station. One pump was out in the shop getting repaired as part of normal, you know, it broke. We sent in to fix it. The station can run on two pumps typically with no problem. What happened was is the third pump got something jammed in it and caused the motor to short out, and it's currently being emergency repaired. We replaced it with two smaller pumps, which are in there right now. We left the bypass pump in case something else happens. It'll automatically turn on and assist the station. But once the other two pumps come back from the shop, there'll be brand new pumps in there. Okay, great. Thank you.

Question. Right down H Avenue West, the break that happened this morning or late last night, was it at the lift station?

No, it was in the middle of the intersection. It was the water main that runs from Blue Heron Boulevard all the way through to 13th Street.

Okay.

It was a six-inch water main.

So nothing's in here to deal with that. I know there's construction been going on a long time for that.

Yeah, the contractor who's doing the fourth main replacement is almost done. Actually, they're finishing the third because there's four phases of that project we're doing this fiscal year. The fourth phase is in that black book you have there. That's going to be approved hopefully next Wednesday. And then they're going to go through and mill and resurface that entire project.

area they're going to probably mill and resurface most of 20th street avenue g part of h west and then that force main part project will be done okay all right thank you okay mr chairman that's the entire presentation and and we will come back on the 60 million at the next meeting let me actually what else do we have on our agenda tonight NOTHING.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

SO GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL CONFUSION, WAS THAT CITY MANAGER AND ALL OF THAT WAS ON THERE. ARE WE NOT WANTING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SO WE DON'T... I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS...

THE AGENDA HAD THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL ON THERE. OKAY. SO WAS THAT NOT

Oh, no, no, no, that's Monday.

Yes, ma'am. Someone, I think, posted the incorrect agenda.

Yeah, that was the agenda. It was a mistake of how the agenda was printed tonight.

So why nobody told us that it was a mistake and that's not what was going to happen?

Yeah, no, there was never any intention to go with the city managers, whether it's city attorney or...

So who posted that then?

Mistakes happen. That was a mistake.

But what I'm saying is it's 8 o'clock. I know you have a cutoff. You like to do around 9. So that means we have a whole hour. No, we don't.

No, we don't.

What?

So you'd rather?

I'd rather end this meeting. Staff is not prepared to do those presentations tonight. They didn't come prepared for that tonight.

It's already in the budget. It's us. It's us, it's the attorney, and it's the city manager.

I need to put a motion on floor to end this meeting.

Please do it during the workshop. Yeah, do that and see what happens to us. Or y'all, rather, not me, because I'm not moving. It's the workshop. What I am saying is we still have an hour. Can we look at something else in the budget so that we don't have to spend more time in the

OTHER DAYS NEXT WEEK. ANYBODY BACK THERE THAT'S PREPARED? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT?

WE CAN DO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE HERE. AND IT'S JUST LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET. AT LEAST WE CAN SAY WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT ONE. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE. I MEAN, THE BUDGET IS THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM PEOPLE ARE NOT PREPARED. YOU HAVE TO PREPARE TO PUT IT ON THE BUDGET AND ON THE AGENDA.

you prepare with a presentation.

I'm sure we will not have a presentation for the city council in Mayapur, right?

We never do.

That's what I'm saying. So we can kind of talk about that and at least get something out of the way.

The board can do what you want to do.

Huh?

The board can do what you want to do. But I'm saying that they didn't come prepared for any additional presentation. I know you want to do a little more and let's do another hour. I understand you're a teacher. and you just want to maximize the time i would hope anybody it has nothing to do with it okay it's just a matter of trying to take advantage i'm not going back and forth y'all can do what you want to do what is the problem what is the issue the issue is we we have completed what we came here to do and you're looking for something else to do and i'm not in that mindset i'm not i'm just i'm just not there I'm not there. Y'all can do what you want to do. You can do what you want to do.

Finish the budget. This is crazy.

What were you saying? I was trying to perhaps provide some clarity in that I spoke with Mr. Coffin and Mr. Sherman and we believe that this was advertised only as a capital budget workshop. and that's why we were only scheduled to do capital tonight because that's how it was advertised.

I guess I couldn't make that point.

Well, you didn't, but thank you for giving me that point, and that would make me a little bit better. If that's what it is. All of this is not prepared. I don't see that.

Okay. All righty. Closing comments. Mr. Interim City Manager.

It done from the city manager find out why this but incorrect agenda was okay, but the attorney comment.

There are no kind of thank you. David for near.

I do have a little bit and it's been. They want them and I was right there. This is a linear.

I just want to invite everybody out Tuesday to our staff real quick, if y'all can listen up. Tuesday at 9.30, the city is being honored by the county with a proclamation by Commissioner Bobby Powell and the commissioners for the county to recognize the city as an all-American city. So if we can't have all the staff, Colleagues, if you're available, it is 930. I know it's a workday, but if you can't go there, 930 a.m. at the county meeting. Thank you, Chair.

Meeting adjourned.