Planning and Zoning - Special Meeting

Okay, I will call the meeting to order. We will begin with introductions and speaking of alternates. And for introductions, since we're virtual, I'll call your name. And if you would, please state your full name for the records. So for town staff, do we have Dawn?

No, we don't. She might hop on later, but I'm not sure. So just Dan Bure, town planner.

Okay, and Henry? Henry Colangelo, CEO. Okay. And for commission members, we know Chantel, Carolyn, Victoria, and Rob are not available tonight. So we have Jen with us.

Jen Talon.

Okay. Tom. Tom Bransfield. Joe.

Joe Spada.

And this is Bob Ellsworth speaking. Did I miss anyone? No. Okay. Tom, would you be seated for Chantal, please? And Joe, would you be seated for Victoria? Yes, I will. Okay. Thank you. Um, so we'll move on. Uh, may I have a motion to accept the agenda as presented? Okay. That was Jen. And do I have a second? That was Tom. Um,

Hold on. Can I make a, let's just say that Jen's going to make a motion and Tom is going to second for everybody's easiness of the thing, right? Are you taking notes, Bob?

Yeah, I'm just, yeah. Who made the motion? Okay, that'll make it easier. Thank you. Okay, we'll now vote. All in favor of accepting the agenda, say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, say no. Okay, the agenda is accepted as presented. Meeting procedures, standard meeting procedures, despite the fact that we're virtual. So we'll move on to our public hearing. And the first application is 25-19, proposed amendment to the Portland zoning regulations. Changes to Section 2.4, 5.1, 5.4, 6.1, 7.3, .4, .8, 10.5, .1, .4, 10.6, .2. These changes are being made in response and to comply with Public Act 25-1, Application of the Town of Portland. May I have a motion to open the application? That's Jen. Tom? Second. Second. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. Okay. The public hearing for application 25-19 is now open. Dan, did you want to speak to this or do you want me to try to or?

I can give a little primer. You know, I've kind of talked to you guys about this over several meetings over the last few months, but we were lucky enough that the council of governments hired a consultant. I may that worked with Bob and I loosely on trying to come up with some regulations to address public act 25 dash one and give the town of Portland, you know, the best set of regulations to, to, administer this new uh housing uh apartment expansion um and parking um changes that the state have passed so um mainly this is to provide um criteria around how this middle housing would be built these the the housing for two to nine units um We've added a commercial mixed-use component to this so that these units or buildings would have to have a mixed-use component on the first floor like we have done in the past with our buildings in the B3. We also have an affordability component tied to this because that is really the thrust of this is to try to help with the housing shortage that we have in the state and nationwide. So we did include an affordable housing component in this that escalates. So one after four units, and I believe two after eight. There are also many criteria in here as to what the shape, form, and look of these facilities will be that I think will enhance what we would get. Otherwise, if we didn't add these regulations to the to to our to our regulations or make these changes to our regulations um rather than just have the state statute out there um and then i can speak to the parking uh on the uh and the parking management district uh when we get to the next application so i didn't know if you guys had questions certainly i want to emphasize that this is kind of our best effort to to construct this if either during this hearing tonight or six months or two years from now, we find things that we like or improvements that we want to make or things we don't like, we certainly can make changes. This isn't getting chiseled in stone, as always with the zoning regulations, they're fluid. So I just want to make sure that you guys have a comfort level that, you know, while this is a big change, we can make tweaks moving forward to make it better as well.

Yeah, so I thank you, Dan. Bob, can I talk?

Yeah, go ahead, Jen.

So I think my concern is I have enough. I have two. I have a couple questions. What is middle? What is middle housing and what is affordable housing? And why are we waiting to see if we? I just I'm concerned that it's going to be too late that we can't constrain these regulations anymore. Could you know that you know I'm a big proponent of making our regulations more conservative, especially in our historic district? How is this going to work?

So middle housing is housing that is two to nine units. That's a lot. Is what we're looking at. It's actually up to 16 when we talk about the parking management district.

That's too much.

So we don't have a choice. The state is allowing by summary review through state statute two to nine units. So the towns have no choice. So if we didn't make any changes to our regulations, did we lose? Oh, Jen, you're still there.

Sorry. Nope. I'm good.

Sorry. If we didn't make any changes to our regulations, this would be allowed by summary review on July 1st. The whole threat of making these regulations is to try to, um, have an improved outcome from an application if we were to receive one so there's a lot of constraints as to what what can be built and how it can be built so um just to take you through you know the genesis of this don't think the state law was written very well uh there was uh some ambiguity in there so dan Yeah. So one of the things that we decided and most of the towns, I believe, in the Council of Governments as well, working with with the consultant was that they talked about like commercial zones or business zones. They didn't define it to like a what we would think of B1, B2, B3 necessarily. The language kind of was broad enough that it could have affected our industrial zones. We took the position that our industrial zones are industrial zones. and our business zones are commercial. So we've limited these changes to our B1, B2, B3. So we didn't have the I, the RI, or the IP be eligible for this. So that's one way that we've tried to constrain it. The other ways we've tried to constrain it are through the standards and requirements. The first and the biggest one being it's one building and it's mixed use. So you can't just build a nine-unit apartment building. You have to have commercial on the first floor. So that's one thing to try to preserve like in our village district and on Main Street, that feel. And that's always been carried throughout our regulations like we approved with the corner of Cross and 66th. So commercial on the first floor and then apartment units, more than the apartments can go upstairs. So along with that in the standards and requirements is lot standards. So that has to conform to our minimum lot frontage required for the zone and which property located and all the lot requirements. The building configuration is one building. So it's not multiple buildings spread out. Like I talked about, the ratio of use in there is the mixed use. The ground floor is non-residential use. So we're reserving that ground floor for a business use. Entrances and circulation. So how that all works out. Outdoor space and amenities. So we are requiring 100 square feet of usable outdoor space per dwelling. how the equipment and service areas were done, trash receptacles, and then there is a little bit on our street parking. We're also adding an affordability requirement. I think I mentioned that. So it's one unit after four, one unit must be affordable up to four, and then two after eight. So the reason we're putting in these standard requirements is otherwise somebody could just come in here with anything and ask to get it approved.

Correct. That's my fear.

Right, so these standards make it kind of a more targeted thing that we would need. They can't just be interested in building a nine unit residential building. Like I said, they have to have a first floor commercial. They have to add this green space. They will have to meet parking requirements if you guys want to pass parking management district, which I would certainly agree in the next application is important. the way I advertise this and I put the line in there specifically because I want residents and everyone to know it, we're not doing this because I think this is a good idea or I came up with any of this. We're doing this in response to and to comply with the state law. If we don't pass any regulations, then people coming in here looking to do these types of developments have much more freedom in how they do that. By us passing these regulations, I don't want you to feel like you're endorsing the public act. That's not what you're doing. You're just passing regulations to try to control what the public act is bringing us in the best way possible for the time. So that's why, again, I can't emphasize it enough. We are just doing this in response and to comply with the public act. in the best way we can. Um, if we don't pass these regulations, they will still be allowed to do these units just without these constraints that we're trying to put on them. Um, so I think doing nothing is a worse outcome than doing something. Now, if we figure out ways that we want to tweak this moving forward, um, and make it better, a hundred percent, um, For that, but this is in a very condensed timeline. The council of government asked the state to give us more time to develop these regulations. The legislature declined.

Well, yeah, because they want to steamroll us. So yeah, I get that. So are these buildings going to be allowed in the historic district on Main Street that I have to drive by every day?

Yes, but they will have to meet village district guidelines.

And what are those? Are those in the zoning, that zoning booklet?

They're in their own, uh, they're part of the zoning regulations, but yeah, so we, they have to meet village district guidelines. So the only zones this will affect is B1, B2, and B3. Um, that that's the three zones that it's allowed in. Like I said, we've, we made a determination that, um, You know, the industrial zones are industrial. They're not for residential. We don't allow single family houses there. We don't allow duplexes there. It makes no sense that we would start allowing these types of uses in there. Nor do I think it's suitable. But like I keep harping on, this is what we worked with the consultant to come up with, you know, the best regulations that we could within the bounds and confines of that public act. So we've really tried to regulate this as much as we legally can. And so there was some legal review done on this. We can certainly ask Carrie if we have concerns moving forward on certain items, if we can make other tweaks. But we can't do, unfortunately, whatever we want on this one. State statute gives us basically the bones of zoning and the towns can fill in the meat. But this public act has really changed how that bone structure is. And we have to be like that and work within that as best we can. And that's what this attempt is. And sorry if that was a very long-winded answer, Jen. So certainly I'm happy to answer any other questions that you have.

This would be done under, we'd call it a mixed use development if someone came in. Well, my question really applies to the commercial end of that. There are certain uses that require a special permit for some commercial uses. Would that still be applicable?

for that use? Yes. So they would be allowed, basically, they would come in for a site plan review. That's the closest thing we have to summer review. I don't know why the state decided to do this summer review thing, but the closest analog we have is a site plan review. So that's the criteria that we are running this under. Now, the commercial space, that use is They will get approved for a commercial space. The actual use that comes in, that will have to still go before you as a board to make sure it meets our zoning regulations. And that commercial use will also have to meet the parking requirements as well. I do want to... One thing I did think of... that is an important regulation for off street parking and especially Jen for our, our, our downtown area is we're not allowing off street parking to count for, uh, unit parking like we do with the commercial businesses down there on main street. Um, so they will have to provide all the parking on site for their residences, uh, or, uh, in tenants. Um, the commercial parking that will be like, um, It's always been, but we thought it was very important to ensure that no development like this would eat up the limited commercial parking that we already have.

And then, Dan, the affordability, that is a requirement, not an option. Correct. Correct? Yes. If I were to come in with a four-unit proposal, one of them must be affordable.

Correct. Yeah. So the cross street approval that we did, the corner across both those buildings, one of those units would have had to been affordable.

And define affordable again.

Uh, so in the affordability requirement, um, it, it breaks out what they need, but, um, This one, I'm sorry. Just prices that preserve units of housing with person. So it's one at 80. And then I believe the second one at 60 of the median income for Middlesex County. And that's basically like somebody making 80, $85,000 a year is 80% roughly. And then it's like 60, $65,000 a year would meet that 60% criteria. So as much as they call it affordable housing, somebody in that 60% criteria is, if you're making $65,000, you're almost at the median income for the country. So it's, I think, affordable. It's more attainable. It's still pretty expensive or can be pretty expensive.

And then the applicant must do the administration of the of the affordability plan, wherever. Yeah. Verify. Cause that's a pretty onerous to me. That's a pretty onerous requirement.

It's, it's exactly the same as what we did for the, uh, expansion in the RR zone on 66.

But, but I would think for one unit, it's, it would be discouraging.

Yeah.

It may be, but, um,

Fingers crossed.

The alternative is that's on the town and we can't. We can't. We can't track that. We can't. Right. We can't do that.

I agree with that requirement.

And I know I think it's important that we have the affordability requirement because it will it's not going to bring in something that's just a cheap nine unit building that somebody's just going to throw up. it's going to have to be a more well thought out project and built in, I think the right way to absorb, you know, the affordable units. So I think it's, it's a positive. It would only bring us a better development and it will in the end help this law actually serves its purpose.

I, I, Got one other item I'd like to recommend under the last page, item five, which talks about the Town Village District. Could we revise that wording to say instead of special exemption, special permit? 100%.

Yes.

Just so all you guys know, I can find that in the regulations. And I think if we change it here, we've corrected our.

Our own regulation. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'll make that change right now.

Okay. And we're also changing that. So it's the same language. Village district and historic district, right?

No, we don't have a... We have a village district. We don't have a historic district.

We don't have a historic district. Okay. Is there a reason? No. Maybe we should take them.

So, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, the town's never set up a historic district. We have the village district with village district design standards. Yeah. But we don't have... Like, our historic society doesn't serve... We've never set one up.

Okay.

I guess is the best way to... Okay. I didn't make that change, Tom. Thank you.

Anything else, Tom, from you? I'm all set. Okay. Any other questions or comments from commission members?

No, thank you.

Okay. Hearing none, Dan, can you tell if there are any members of the public

It's just us. Just us. Well, Vinny's here. I don't want to short Vin, but Vin's here. So certainly if you had any thoughts.

Okay. Any questions or comments from members of the public? Okay. Hearing none then, may I have a motion to close the public hearing for application 25-19? So moved. And a second? Second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed, say no. Okay, the public hearing for application 2519 is now closed. Any further discussion amongst commission members?

No.

Okay then, thank you. Dan, how can we handle reading the motion now?

So I emailed you the motion and because of the length of the regulation change, I would just read the to approve, the three lines on the to approve. And then the reason I put in there was the regulation changes are consistent with the POCD and advanced Portland's housing goals. And that's the two things I would read on that motion.

Okay. Let's see.

This is getting rushed.

We definitely can make other changes, Jen, if you want, in the coming weeks. It's just important to get it on the books.

I hear you. I understand.

Trust me, I'm not thrilled with the timing.

I love it when we discuss government creeping in on our shit.

I love it. Okay.

You know, it's unorthodox. I mean, I guess I could read it if you want me to.

You want me to read it, Bob? If you would. I'm trying to look at it on my phone. Yeah, if you would, Tom, that would be great.

I'm going to try. Okay. It's, make sure I got the right one. Application 2513. Oh, 19. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. No, no, that's not it.

Oh, did you guys not get the new, what happened here? Yeah.

I got two of everything.

You should have two of everything, but I don't know why that other one wasn't fixed. Did I not see?

It talks about lighting regulations.

I know I made changes to all this. Um, would you just read the, so the reason is as up to date, I'll make the, the, the edits, uh, later, but just read the, uh, off the agenda. I'll double check the other one.

Okay. Hang on a second. Let me get my agenda. Okay. application 2519 proposed amendment to the portland zoning regulation changes to section 2.4 5.1 5.4 6.1 7.3.4 alpha 10.5.1.4 and 10.6.2 These changes are being made in response and to comply with Public Act 25-1, Application of the Town of Portland.

Okay. May I have a second to the motion, please?

Second.

Okay. We will now vote. We'll begin with Jen.

Aye.

Tom? Aye. Joe? Aye. I vote aye as well. So there would be none opposed. So the motion passes and the application is approved. Okay.

I will probably search you guys out at some point for your signatures. So I'll reach out to you guys individually on signing the motions, okay? Does the signatures have to be done in the next day or so? No, what I'll do is if it's okay with all you, I will, well, maybe I'll just do that. Maybe if it's okay with you guys, I will sign for you. I'll file a motion in the morning if that's amenable to the board.

Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. It's all on record or recorded.

Joe, you're good too, right?

Okay. Yep, and I'm good too. Okay, we'll move on then to application 25-20. Proposed map amendment to the Portland zoning map, creation of a parking management district overlay zone that will cover a large portion of the downtown, as well as the parcels fronting Route 66. These changes are being made in response and to comply with Public Act 25-1, Application of the Town of Portland. May I have a motion to open the public hearing for Application 25-20? So moved. Second? I second it. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. Okay, the public hearing for application 25-20 is open. Dan, you want to take this one again too, please?

Yeah, absolutely. So the parking management district is in response and to comply with PA 25-1. And so it's an option that's given to the towns to offset something they did. So basically, in the public act, they prohibited towns from setting parking requirements for any apartment buildings with two to 16 units. So what the parking management district does is allow the town to districts of 4% total of the 4% total of the town land area. So basically 8% of the town, we can require them to actually follow parking requirements as laid out by the state. And so all you guys are voting on tonight is the map. Tom was very kind and smart, and he pointed out in my notice that I left out the text. So you guys will be reviewing that July 2nd. Oh, and before we get too much further, I forgot to ask you one question on 25-19 that I just want to clarify. we'll make the effective date for the regulation change July 1st for both of these, okay? Does that work? Yes, that's fine.

Sorry, yes.

Sorry, I didn't include that before. All you guys are voting on tonight is the map, and then the text changes will come July 2nd. Didn't you send the map?

Is there a map somewhere? Did you send the map?

Yes, the map is on page two of the second document, the recommended parking amendment. It's on page two.

All right. Why aren't we doing the rest of it?

Because I didn't notice the text changes. Oh, okay. So because you pointed that out, I ran new legal notices, and there's a legal notice being published tomorrow.

Okay. If I pointed it out, I didn't know I pointed it out.

Well, you helped us out. We would have just passed everything and it probably would have been fine. But if we'd gotten an appeal that we would have had to go through some stuff again. So that was right. It was the right thing to do. Um, again, I don't, I do anticipate an application that will take advantage of this, but they're waiting till the regulations are passed and they're happy to operate under the regulations that, that, that we are passing. Although, uh, the affordability requirement will be a surprise for them. Um, So back to the map. So the map covers everything and more that we thought would be covered or could be part of this no parking requirement in our commercial zones. So it covers all of the commercial zones along 66. Everywhere we have a commercial zone and then we basically chose some of the densest housing areas around the commercial zones that we could. We're fortunate, to be honest, that we have enough area in town to cover all of our commercial zones. Because if we didn't, we would have had to pick and choose where we wanted to have some challenges, I think. This is really more makes more sense for a city than a town. It really does. I mean, we do have a bus line here, which helps, but it's really for an area that has mass transit or is more walkable. If we had an apartment building built down 66 and there's no parking requirement, to me, it was crazy. So we're definitely fortunate that... This works out very well for the town. That was really honestly one of the big problems with this. I know people have issues with the increased units, but if somebody just jammed nine units on the main street with no parking, you wouldn't think a developer would do that, but that would have been a feasible problem we would have had.

So now they can jam in nine apartments on Main Street with parking. Are you trying to spin it positive that way, Dan? Is that what you're trying to spin? Yeah.

I'll take the positive I can get, Jen.

Yep. I hear you.

So they'll have to have parking on site. I'll be honest, Jen, it limits the parcels that are actually viable that would be able to do something like this.

Got it. Okay.

Along with the green space requirement.

Yeah.

If you want nine units, you've got to have 900 square feet of green space out there that's usable. Got it. Yeah. And that last reg that you passed will allow you to have the teeth to have something like that. I see. So it's not just a building and pavement, just wedged in as much as you can. Yeah. Yeah, the whole idea of the parking management district is to respond in an appropriate way to the public act and make sure it works best for Portland.

Sweet. Thank you.

Questions or comments from commission members for Dan regarding, or anybody regarding this map amendment? okay any member of the public would like to make a comment regarding this application i'm sorry what's that done sorry my games are barred okay um hearing none then may i have a motion to close the public hearing for application 25-20 so moved and the second

Second.

On favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed, say no. Okay, the public hearing for application 25-20 is now closed. Any further discussion amongst Commission members? Okay, hearing none then. You want me to do the same thing, Dan, for the motion? You want me to just read from the agenda or should I ask somebody to read?

No, well, the motion is, I checked, the motion is correct on this one.

Okay. Tom, would you be willing to read the motion for 25-20? Let me find it. Yeah. Thanks, Tom. I actually found it, Tom. And I think I can read it. It's right here on my phone. So I'll go ahead and do that. Go ahead. Okay. Motion to approve application 25-20 proposed map amendment to the Portland zoning map creation of a parking management district overlay zone that will cover a large portion of the downtown portion of the downtown as well as the parcels fronting route 66. these changes are being made in response and to comply with public act 25-1 application of the town of portland um so may i have a motion to approve a motion to approve uh application 25-20. Actually, I'm sorry. I just read the motion. Second to the motion, please, Jen.

Second.

Okay. We'll now vote. Jen?

Aye.

Tom?

Aye.

Joe? Aye. Okay. I vote aye as well. There would be none opposed, so the motion passes and the application is approved. Okay. Thank you, everyone.

Thank you, Dan, for answering the questions. I appreciate it.

Anytime.

Yeah.

Okay. And we'll do the same. You'll sign for us, Dan. Yes. Okay. Then we'll move on to our regular meeting application 25-18, which is 1361 and 1373 Portland Cobalt Road. We will not be reviewing tonight.

Oh, why?

I didn't give him that option, Jen.

Cool.

I'll be honest. I didn't want to muddy the water. I just wanted to get through these regulation changes. They had some stuff they needed to get to you anyways. They need to get to us architecturals. I think you'll have an opening presentation by the engineer on July 2nd. I don't believe they'll have everything that they need to submit to the town for an approval that date. But I'll have to talk to Rob, the engineer, tomorrow and see where they're at. And I will not be at that meeting.

Okay.

Yeah, it would have been difficult virtually, I think, to review this just as well. Okay, we'll move on then to receive two applications. The first is 25-21, proposed amendment to the Portland zoning regulations, changes to section 7.5, 8.2, 9.1.3.H. These changes are being made in response and to comply with public act 25-1, application of the town of Portland. So this is what you mentioned earlier, Dan, is to add text To 2520.

This is different part, right?

Yeah, so that's the corresponding text that goes with the map.

Okay, cool.

Yep. So that I think you guys would want to hear July 2nd and approve and then make effective that that night.

Okay. Yep. Okay.

Second application. If you have any questions on that text amendment prior to the meeting, please give me a call. I'll be in until Tuesday. But I won't be on that meeting. Henry will be there. Certainly he can field some questions as well. But yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions prior to me leaving.

Thank you.

Okay, next application to receive is 25-22, proposed amendment to the Portland zoning regulations. Changes to sections 5.1, removal of retail motor fueling stations as an allowed use. Application of the Town of Portland. I think we're all familiar with this one.

The soonest that can be heard is July 16th. I didn't get a notice out until... I think this week.

Okay. We'll move on then to new business. I see none. Old business, I see none.

Is that none on there? I just want to let you guys know, me and Henry will be putting in a vape shop. Something to try to handle the vape shops somewhat for sometime in July. That's the next regulation change we'll work on. and hopefully get it in front of you guys for the August meetings.

Can you say that again, Dan? I'm sorry.

We're going to try to make a regulation change to not allow vape shops.

Oh, okay.

I think we can figure out a way. Basically, we're going to limit the percentage of products probably that you can sell that are... Well, can we do how far away they are to each other or like I don't think so.

Not on Main Street?

Yes, we could probably prohibit them from being on Main Street in the B3 zone.

I said we put them all on Cox Road. Eyes in Glass Hill. Eyes in Glass Hill.

You certainly, you guys have the power. You could do that if you really wanted to.

As crazy as it sounds. We'd have to do some zone changes there.

Yeah, we could change the zone, rezone Cox Road business. Maybe a special vape district. Let's do it.

It's the new red light district.

There you go.

We'll get some people at these meetings then.

If we started with an ancillary use and limit it to 20%. Too much.

I don't know. Easy for you, Henry. So we'll talk about the percentage. You don't want to get a gas station dragged into here if they sell a lot of tobacco products. They really do, yeah. Because if you even go to the Hess on Main Street, they got like 40 different vapes in a case. I can't imagine how many different tobacco products they sell. So that's my only concern. I think they sell more than 20% of their products in that convenience store. Um, so that's, that's, that's the, the nuance that gets tricky.

And how to regulate what, how to calculate the percentage. So it can get regulated.

Right. Me and Henry will, we'll try to figure that out. Um, Jeremy, as you guys know, who's doing the POCD, he enacted something like this in another town. I'm going to try to poach that from him and then we'll tweak to make it work in Portland. Okay. Okay, look forward to it, Dan. And then if you guys didn't notice, the one vape shop where Zaz was did go out of business.

Oh, yeah. We'll call it that.

I know you guys are happy. Well, They were nice people, so I'm sad to lose a business because I don't think they were a vape shop that was bringing in the negative attention like the other vape shop. I think if the other vape shop never opened and they just opened, I don't think people would have had the same outcry.

Yeah, I think so. I think it's not that they're bad people. It's just that we don't want those type of things to attract the bad people. That's it. I know those people are very nice.

It's tough.

It's not about being bad or nice. It's when you start selling products that are illegal to sell in that location. That makes it tough.

Yeah, illegal, bad, whichever you want to call it. You want to call it however you want to call it.

It's illegal, John. I'm sorry about Portland Convenience. They shut down. They can't pay their rent and turn their lights on by selling glass pipes.

So I'm sorry about it, but it was their business plan.

and they opened up as a convenience store, not a vape shop.

That's all I got. Okay. No staff report or anything, Dan?

I would say I had a meeting at the spa today, and they gave a tour. It's awesome.

Fancy.

It's everything we wanted. It's everything we dreamed of. It's awesome. They're doing a really, really good job over there. Um, we're trying to address a little bit of a complaint we got on, uh, Middlesex Ave, uh, with some, some of the dust and dust is blown up on the Middlesex and it's been difficult for them to control. So we're going to try to, um, address some of our concerns and maybe get our house power washed. Um, other than that, um, they're looking open November, maybe early December. Um, but it looks awesome, I got to say. That's great.

Let's just clean up downtown. Let's do it.

Well, this will help. This will help. If this gets opened and gets the people that they think they're going to get, it's going to draw more businesses to town, 100%.

Cool. Excellent. Excellent. That's great. Good news, yeah.

Okay.

Then we'll move on to public comment. Any member of the public would like to make a comment? Please state your intentions. Okay.

Hearing none, let's see.

We probably don't have a quorum here to approve the minutes from June 4th, right?

No. I was not seated. I don't know. I have to look back at the minutes.

Where are they? Oh, I was? No.

Nope. So the only people that would have been seated most likely would be myself and Jen, right?

No, on the fourth it says Joe was seated. And Joe? Okay.

Tom, you weren't present though, right? I wasn't seated. Okay. All right. So Bob, Jen, and Joe could vote.

Yeah. Okay. Any discussion on the minutes from June 4th? Okay. Hearing none, may I have a motion to approve the minutes from June 4th? So moved. And a second? I second it. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. All say no. Okay, the minutes from June 4th are approved and I have a motion to adjourn.

Motion.

Second. Seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say no. Okay, thanks everyone for being here for this special meeting. Very important that we get this done.

Yes, thank you, Dan. Thanks for getting this all done.

Yeah, no problem. Thank you guys.

I really appreciate you.

Thanks. Have a good night. Have a great vacation, Dan.

Can't wait. I know.

Come on guys.

Have a good fourth, everybody. Happy. Bye.

Bye. Bye.

Bye.