Commission - Regular Meeting

Sean. Let's say Sean, of whom I don't remember his name... Sean! Can I give you his contact information, if you want?

He'll be here. So, Thursday. The meetings are quarterly. The next one really happens.

I'll be back.

Every time we go around the city, President's report. There have been additions, eliminations or changes to the agenda. And the statements have been sent via e-mail. I know I have to go to bed. I'm not sure if anyone else wants to go to bed, but we have to approve the statements of the 17th October meeting. I propose to approve. Action to approve. Second.

A comment. And they are getting used to it.

I have never written badly. Well, mine too. Besides this.

With those changes, everyone in favor say yes. Contrary.

All right.

I open the comments of the public.

All right.

Let's move on to the suspended issues, the update of the budget for the fiscal year 2027.

So, I sent a document linked to the order of the day online. Because of the deadline of last week, I came during the weekend and I still worked to finish it. So we can discuss one or the other version. My recommendation is to discuss the latest and most updated. The things that have changed are I have all the state revenues, with the exception of the tax on fuel. I am confident that my estimate will be close, it will not be completely different when the tax on fuel arrives. The other change concerned the medical benefits for staff. As you know, we changed the participation rates of employees. We had offered an HMO plan This year we had 40 staff members who chose the HMO plan. People have migrated from one plan to another. So when everything was calculated and I inserted the actual data into the budget, there was an additional saving of $99,000 for the city. So good news. Harold, if you could project my screen, please. and I checked and adapted all the effective data for the fiscal year 26 and I will be happy to give you a copy today. So the good news is that having done it during the weekend, that is at the end of August, I had 11 months of data, so I was able to update the entries more precisely. So, based on our conversations in the last meetings, the CIA It is financed at 50%. I was ordered to maintain the intersection between the railway and the road and to keep the Flock cameras at 4.35. This means that the General Fund will now have a modest surplus of 286,000 dollars. I was asked what my recommendation for a goal would be and I have two answers to that question. The first is if I design it in an optimal way. Based on what we think will happen on November 3, I would prefer a surplus of about $750,000. However, I don't think it's possible. This would require another half a million. And this... We're reaching $700,000. Well, it was about half of what we'll lose next year. So let's say we split the post if we find half of it this year. Speaking of tax law design, Sebastian. If amendment 3 is passed, we will lose 1.6 million. This is the last estimate, 1.6 million.

What percentage of our taxpayers would be affected by... I don't know. I'd say almost all of them, 250,000 dollars a year.

We are mainly a dormitory community. I know there are some rents and some second houses, but it's mainly a dormitory community. So I imagine the... Anyway, so while I'm encouraged by the fact that we have a surplus, I don't want us to... We take for granted that we are fine, that everything is fine. A sort of mission accomplished. I want to make sure that we all understand that there is a second step and the second step is in November and we really don't know what the outcome of the second step is and since I am extraordinarily conservative in terms of taxes, I agree to say that... What are you doing?

So, do you have any suggestions on where you will find those other 465? What would you recommend to the examination committee? I mean, you see the numbers all the time. I mean, if we get to 750, do you have any recommendations? So, the recommendations we presented have been well received. Animal control, the C.A.R.A., sports and recreation, parks and green areas, police and fire guards are the only things that we can consolidate, eliminate or significantly reduce to obtain it. How would we reduce the organics of what we are talking about? We have already done it this year. We have reduced eight positions, eight sworn agents in the police department. It was restructured and once everything was completed, the training is over and the assignments are completed, we will have more people in the battalion per shift than before, with about five agents each. So this objective has been achieved. Fire guards, we have reduced the position of division chief by half. There is not much else to cut in the fire guards at the moment until a decision is made, as you know, regarding a discussion on consolidation. Animal control, I think everyone knows that conversation. You could completely eliminate animal control, you would save about 200,000 dollars a year paying the county to take care of it. And I repeat, we are the only municipality to have an animal control service. I agree with you one hundred percent. I mean, I think that when there is money, it's nice to have it, but when there is really no money and you try to cut it, I think it's a luxury that... So I agree. So, what else besides this trend?

The complete elimination of the Sierra A. The commission, you know, you recommended to do it.

They cut it and halved the budget. And the recreational sports program?

So, if you eliminate all your championships, baseball, softball, flag football, soccer, you will not completely eliminate the department, unless we abandon the structures. Regardless of everything, we will still have to pay to manage the gym, the gym, the sports park, the games.

Now there are some potential options to get some companies to manage your championships.

And not that you would earn it, but you could earn enough to go to the draw to take care of the structures.

We bring in tournaments or things like that, so we are bringing in entries, we have examined which entries could potentially be generated by the property. We generate entries, but not enough to go to the draw in that department. There is a great potential for growth, but there are also many limitations. when you have the public sale complex on the beach surrounded by condominiums, hotels and fantastic places and it's a bit difficult to attract people to do a tournament in Haven. Although they did it, I think it would be more of a matter of finding an agreement with the TDC or some other entity on the beach to manage the excess of people, so they could expand their tournaments, but they could also play in Haven. People could still stay on the beach to get those things. So if we suspended the championships How many guys would listen to it? I'd rather spend money for the championships than to look for the arrested because... I mean, I don't even know what numbers we're talking about here. I mean, will it really change something? No, it's hard to analyze because looking at the sports and recreation department, without knowing what expenses you would have without the championships, you can only try to estimate.

So if you eliminate referees, uniforms and prizes,

You save something, but you also lose the entry of the registration photos and everything else. So you don't compensate at all. It's a small general fund saving, but not enough to get to 750,000, which Kiki mentioned.

No, it's not. But it would be close. So, a couple of things. For recreation and sports we are at 512,000 for... the cost of staff. And the total budget is 1.2 million.

Run there again. Including the water park. Run until... We thought about selling it. So if we sell it... You should sell the whole park.

So the only... Another thing to keep in mind is... I keep raising it because I'm worried about how the vote will go. this budget with 286 everyone sees his 286 plus there ok and with the 435 that you recommended at the last meeting if I change it to the rollback button that requires a vote of 3 to 2 we have 41 This is what gives us a 3 to 2. And now, including what we have, we are in a deficit of 384 thousand dollars. Do you understand why I'm... Basically, there is a way to...

I mean, you wanted to have 750 and... There is a way to find 350. In terms of staff, no. The Commission will have to vote in the end and decide what it wants to get rid of, what their priorities are.

At the staff level, we have basically cut everything.

I think this budget has capitalized. There are positions for staff cutting.

Intellectually, this one.

Fundamentally, to get to that figure, you will have to cut the animal control. You will probably get to 384 if you do it. Animal control, how much?

you would save a estimate of about 200,000. Maybe a little less than the first year, because if we had to eliminate it, we would still have to... what is the current budget for animal control?

Look at that, because it's a breccia. I don't think so.

But how many have already said they won't do it? So, the Commission has said that we don't want it. Our old decision could be, hey, we will have to close animal control. It's not the kind of relationship we want, but yes, you could do it.

373 for the animal control.

And keep in mind that about 85 of those are used to innovate, to do some restructuring. And if we close the animal control and the county, the county would be interested in using that structure. So those 85,000 dollars would probably still be a cost for this fiscal year to obtain The Countess and Espresso were willing to sit at the table to talk about it, I would say, further. Or they simply said no. So at the beginning, absolutely yes, there was a lot of resistance from the public. They simply said, hey, we will focus on some things of our animal refuge, when we have it fixed, we will return to the table. I would say for the fiscal year 28. So it is mainly the public who complains about the animals, not the county. The county is fine because it is another source of income. I mean, it's still 373,000 dollars. Exactly. How many do we have? What is the organ inside? Personal? Yes. So, of those 373,000, where are they?

208 for the staff.

What do we do with the staff?

So, it is hoped that the county office will offer a position if they had to add places.

But if there was another available position that was not blocked or eliminated, we would offer it to them if it was suitable and, in the opposite case, we would have to cut their position. There are available positions that are not blocked and that could potentially be transferred within the city. Yes, there are a couple of them in the company fund. I'm not saying that all three of them would do it. One or two could absolutely do it. But the potential of one or two, maybe two, and then one could go to the regional service. So we wouldn't leave anyone in trouble. If we decided, we would get out. I think there would be enough opportunity for them to have a position. How long would it take to get out? To remove the lights. To move the animals to the county. If this was the agreement.

In 30 days. The public protest towards animal shelter is double. One is public safety. The second is that the county manages a kennel for suppression. So we are also a kennel for suppression. How many have we suppressed who were ... I don't have that number, but we are also a kennel for suppression.

However, since we only take animals from Lineven, we have a little more space than the county, so they can keep them longer in search of adoption.

So that was a misinformation.

Oh well, the city of Lineven is a no-kill refuge. I don't think there is any municipality that is a no-kill refuge. But for sure we don't have such high statistics as...

But we take them in Los Angeles.

There are people who carry their dogs that they have had for their whole lives when the dog gets sick. They carry it. It's a normal part of life. And unfortunately for the dogs that are in the shelters, because they didn't have anyone to take care of them, right? I mean, yes, but I really think it's something we really have to take seriously, you know. Without hitting many people, we can intervene and cut a considerable sum of money.

We also talked about it in the last meeting, when you start to align these different departments and to give priority to what has the most effect on the greater number of people.

What do you think? It depends on the number of people who influence. Animal control, the C.R.A. those have the least effect on the number of people who influence. There are some who have contracts. I'm currently the only contract employee in the city, so they won't hire me. I'll be the right-hand man, absolutely. The sheriff's office will charge you with commissions. I mean, I don't want to sound cruel or anything, but I really think that this is something that... ...in the grand scheme of things, we won't miss it, right? I mean, how to build a library. We could spend the money we want for a library, but how many people will really use it? I go to university, I look at the library and there's almost no one, right? I mean, everything is so digital. Times change, and I think that in this case the luxury of having a refuge that can be managed has changed. and maintain is something that we must present seriously to the Commission, even if unfortunately it may not be popular among some. So what was the resistance before? Was it just a matter of no-kill or were there other problems?

and the presence of the eye. You know, with the control of animals or with the shelter, most of the public protests concern the care of animals so that we can keep them longer. We have had some animals in the long term in our shelter. The rate of euthanasia in the Bay County is much higher than in Windhaven. That was the main resistance. Personally, I benefited from the control of animals because I live in a rather wooded area and I catch crickets. And we had some coyotes. Animal control intervened for that kind of thing. We will lose the ability of our animal control services to respond directly to the questions of the citizens, for example.

But it would be covered by the county office and private companies.

I mean, what is a place about wild fauna? Agostino's wild fauna. Agostino's wild fauna.

There is, in my opinion, if you say, ok, let's eliminate animal control, there is the possibility that the public will move forward and try to self-finance themselves, but as Contea we cannot do it.

At a certain point there was a recent initiative of beneficence by some. the residents of New Haven, who raised about 831 dollars, which is fantastic. Every fund we receive is very appreciated, however, you can't manage a structure with donations of 831 dollars and you can't make a trust. I mean, right now it's a hot topic because of the rumors about its elimination, so it's a hot topic. In six months they'll move on to something else. Moreover, we are the only city that I can find from Pensacola to Tallassi to have an animal control service. Any service is carried out by the counties, except for the city of Tallassi and the county of Leon. For example, there are two separate ones there. But from everything I can find, we are the only city in that area. And when we talk about keeping animals for a long time, it's wonderful. It's fantastic, but it's not responsible. We did it. At the same time, a dog that lives in a cage for many years of its life, even if it is fed, is not really a life. So it's not that we are cruel if we suppress humanly an animal to destroy the life of his life. But as for the services that I see that we provide, all this can be provided by the Comtea and also by the private enterprise. Yes, there was a protest, the Kamas reached the point in which people have to call the animal control or a police officer, they will want the police officer to be there much faster than the animal control. I'm absolutely in agreement. I think this is the right decision to make at this moment. It's something that pleases me. When you look at the services and everything, as I do here, it certainly pleases me. And what other recommendations do you have?

Well, for the parks department there are some things that I think we could review. We have some contracts with external suppliers, we also have members of the internal staff. I think it is a matter of management regarding managing staff and asking them more I know that from a numerical point of view I could not assign you a value in dollars. It would be something on which we should have the contribution of the director... To see if there could be a budget saving. We have a lot of contracts outside the city.

What kind of contract? Cura del Prato.

Cura del Prato. the biopreserve, put the staining of pine needles, do only things of general maintenance.

if we cancelled some of the contracts or if we entered some of them, some of the contracts that if they were cancelled would bring the need for additional personnel and I must say that being in the public sector for 20 years, the work carried out by the inspectors has a definitely better aspect of the one managed by the government. That's how things are.

I agree 100% with you.

There are savings if you want to compensate the staff.

There is a difference when a company comes to fake the grass of the structure.

We are not the only thing they do during the day.

It's the only thing our guys do all day. So they don't have any incentive to fight and move on. And if their boss receives a call because they have to come back here two or three times, they probably lose their job. in the public sector is a bit different. So for some of these structures it is better to have an administrator. And they activate to try to bring tours and tourism.

Justin is very good at attracting them and he has excellent contacts.

I must say that Justin probably starts with his team.

I know it's not the right term in the eBay community.

For me it's fine. How is his ability to manage people? He does a good job of management. Unfortunately, you know, Justin has to do with many high school students who deal with the water park, they work in the gym and things like that. So it's not that he has a team of people who are looking for a full career, that this is their full-time job. He has many part-time students of high school, but also full-time employees, some of them.

So, in the balance sheet, these are two separate conversations. Parks and grounds, sports and recreation. They are two different departments.

Parks and grounds have nine full-time employees. We made a small adjustment with some... ...qualifications here. Sports and recreation have nine and a half, mainly part-time.

Where can we make cuts in parks and grounds? It would take some time, but I think that if we analyze the areas cut by the internal staff of the parks and land, and we estimate the costs to externalize more, I think we would get an actual savings compared to the cut of the apartments. We have only made a small shift, the staff of the parks and gardens takes care of the cut, near the depuration plant, the water plants, the pumping stations and the sites of use. So we just transferred one of those employees to the company funds. We have evaluated the privatization. DENI has contacted some suppliers for the costs of an apartment for all those years. The most economical result is to maintain a person of the parks divided between the water department and the maintenance department. The company funds are now taking care of the maintenance.

So again parks and gardens including those nine employees. This is a million and fifty-four meters.

Including nine employees. Have you already cut the figure?

Let me give you a concrete example of what happened. The director came to me to ask to replace the vegetable material and he said, it doesn't look good. And I answered, well, it's a desire and a need. He says, well, you have to wait a long time. And I said, in the current fiscal context we must satisfy the needs, not the desires. Clean everything. Remove the dry waste, but we will not plant anything again now. Desires against needs. So this is the kind of thing we have to make decisions on. So it's a bit like I'm still not convinced that we have to put Christmas lights on this building in the current fiscal situation. Should we pay to have the lights? I only remember 10,000 dollars.

It's something we discussed with the commission in the workshop. Two, three or maybe four. We asked, do you want to eliminate it? But we didn't get any response. So that figure is still on the balance sheet. It could still be eliminated.

It's 10,000 dollars to put lights on the building. Again, desires against needs. Fantastic, but if you can't afford it...

I can make a bank. Where does it come from? 435. Is it just an intermediate number or was it... It's the maximum you can reach with a vote of 4. I thought, if possible, you could go to Pampazzoli.

Yes, the recommendation of this committee was 435.

I'm just asking because I didn't know if there was a change, since at the last meeting a couple of commissars made a reference to 4B.

If we went to 4 reference to the fact that if we went to 4, 4, 5 or some other number, some of these problems would be solved.

4.5 is the maximum. What's the vote of 4B?

The vote of 4B.

Of course it is. 4.65 is the maximum. If we go above 4.5... It's 10%. 4.06.

I rounded it up by default to five, for simplicity.

The topic we talked about last time. You said you wanted to cancel a contract, but you failed.

Oh, that was in the IT department.

GPS, Sam? Sara?

How could we get out?

No, it wasn't Sam, it was Mrs. Hodges. It was something we missed for 30 days when we tried to tell her off. Thank you.

I think it was 6,000 dollars.

No, I think it was in March. Again in March when we have to...

Yes, we marked the deadline to cancel it for three days. They didn't want to... Another $6,000 and we marked them on the calendar to make sure we can do it next year. But I think it was $6,000, something like that in that... I just wanted to go back to the topic.

Note this.

So, I feel obliged to raise the discussion on the CRA. This budget you are looking at provides a 50% funding for the CRA, which numerically makes sense for this budget. However, if we finance a C.R.A. at 50%, what if Contea financed its part at 50%? And during the duration of the C.R.A., the city would give up 13 million dollars of Contea's funds.

But when do we say give up 13 million? It also means that the city must put them to spend them.

I see it as any combination. If it's a 401k, if you can do the matching, you should do it. If you can't, you can't pay. It becomes a nice thing, not a need, not an obligation. I mean, planning the future is definitely something you want to do, but if you have to do the matching and you don't have the funds to do it, you simply can't.

Okay. It's money on the line. Do you also keep in mind that it is not in the interest of the Countess to go back if we change our mind? Let's say that 50% this year and then when we say next year that we want to reach 75% the Countess should accept but it is not in their interest to do it because they would save money so any decision taken this year will probably be a permanent change

This also affects the amount of money that is spent on the end of the evening. Until what point?

The tax on the property goes down, so it goes down slowly. So we will get even less money. And keep in mind that when we say to add money to anything in this balance sheet,

Everyone should know it because I think we have emphasized it and reiterated it quite a bit. The fiscal year 2017 budget is one of those budgets in which if a vehicle is damaged, that vehicle stays there.

It's not like in the past where we either move some money from this budget to cover repairs. If the vehicle is damaged, that vehicle is not repaired immediately. This budget is as tight as ever. Neither is it. It is unlikely that you will see repairing something that had not already been planned.

Once again, every decision will be reduced to desires against needs. The 26th was an extraordinarily tight balance. We had some real challenges in bringing things to an end. The 27th will be even more so.

So you're saying you can't finance the cycle at 50%? you want to be able to stay at 100%.

Would you recommend a middle way in this case? I would say to get to 75%, see how it goes and then see you again next year.

I know Ben is here.

Can we listen to Ben?

I'm sure he has good opinions. Let me start with a summary and then we will continue from there and I will certainly answer all your questions. We have just extended the duration of the Kira to another 10 years. So, by default, according to state statutes, the duration of the CEA is 30 years. Ours started in 2003 and the expiration date was planned for 2033. Now we have added another 10 years, so our new expiration date is 2043. The CREA is financed through the financing of the tax increase, so the idea we make is to invest some money, we use the money of the CREA invested in the CREA.

The values ​​of the properties rise

and the house of Joey that was worth 100,000 dollars in 2003 now has a value of 150,000 dollars hypothetically and that tax and the taxes that are applied on the increase of 50,000 dollars end up in the S.C.R.A. fund to pay all these improvements. So you have seen all these sidewalks here. We built and paid the stage here at Sheffield Park with the funds of the S.C.R.A. Improvements to the Union Soldier Park. All this increases the value of our houses here, our real estate in the S.C.R.A. We calculated the taxes, how the C.R.A. performed in the last 16 years, no, a moment, 2003, 23 years, right? From its creation, the real estate value... 21 years. In 21 years, the real estate value within the C.R.A. has increased by over 200%. So it was designed to eliminate the urban decline. We conducted a study at the beginning, in 2003, to identify such problems. Rainwater was one of them. An insufficient housing heritage was another. We have many free lots within the CERA and therefore we have implemented all these interventions to remedy and modernize urban infrastructures. the obsolete hydric and fony conductors. All this has been identified in the CRA plan to be addressed with the CRA funds. We have been doing it for years and we have made progress. We have fewer leaks here in the CRA, but there are still some critical points that we have to face. And the CAA can pay for these improvements. So we did some calculations and we identified that taxes on property, the tax increase in the last 21 years has increased by an average of 8%. This includes a hurricane, it includes Covid. Real estate market. In 2008 we had the outbreak of the real estate bubble. This has had a huge impact on the CREA. In terms of financing, on average, we have increased taxes on property or the tax increase. It was on average 8%. If we apply that 8% in the next 16 years, we get a total revenue of 26 billion dollars. 13 of those 26 million will come from the county office and that is the number of Mrs. Chitti. 26 million come from the county office, 18 million from the city.

The city should spend 17.6 million so that the county office participates with 26 million. Now I have set up this program so that we can work on it.

Well, the other thing to consider is that taxes are not free for us. No. I mean, if you live in the city, you are also paying the taxes of Bay County. In one way or another. From our pockets, in any case. Great observation. The... So we will have... The financing of the tax increase is a reallocation of taxes. We don't pay more taxes just because we are in the... We are just pouring some of the taxes spent in the CRA fund. So if you reduce it, you are essentially returning part of that money to the county council, and the county council will spend it at Fountain or at the west end of the beach for its improvements. So there are many places here in the city at the border of the county council that are bordering the county council.

There are houses and then next to them is the county hall.

But on the other side of the street there are some. There are some areas where we still have.

So again I did it in order to be able to model it. This is 50%, which is what is in the budget at the moment. So in order for the city to receive 13 million dollars from the county hall, the city would participate with 8.8 million in the course of the CRA. So this is the program that we can use if the balance remains.

At 75. This is 50. This is 50 for you.

This is 50.

The increase from 2022 to 2026 was based only on the value of the property? I mean, it went from 100 to 60,000. That's the rate.

My question is, in the same period of time, how much has the value of the city increased in percentage? I mean...

I can give you, I don't have it in front of me, but I could give you the dollars.

We had an increase of 8% at 25% and 26% in C.R.A. properties. What was the overall general increase? I think we were at 3.9% for a long time and then it went up to 4.3% maybe.

And then it went down. Yes, I don't have those numbers in front of me.

So there is an option to correct me if I'm wrong, but if the citizen commission decides to eliminate the share at 100%, the commission could write down an order that would limit the money we used to pour into the share. That money could only be linked to the payment of the debt service, it could only be linked to the payment of anything decided by the commission.

But it could say, hey, we will use this money only to cover the debt service, in addition to the difference, but it could be a fee for the debt service. Or it could cover about 30% of the payment. Maybe not 30%. Yes, I mean, they can decide how to spend this money.

So, currently we are dealing with commercial incentives and residential incentives. There is a painting program, an incentive for new buildings, for new houses built. Which projects has the CERA completed without funding, through subsidies, in the last three years?

We have one currently planned for Pennsylvania Avenue. For example, on Tennessee Avenue, I dedicate my time to C.R.A. now, but it's 100% financed by DOT. The same goes for the improvements of public services around 10th Street and here on Florida and Ohio Avenue, these are improvements that we are about to start working on. So those are all projects financed by grants that we obtained after the Michael hurricane to bring these improvements and will benefit 100% the Ski Area, but it doesn't really fit in the budget. These are outside, they are outside the... It's only about subsidies. So how much did the subsidies amount to in the last period? Well, from our hurricane. Do you have an idea of how much the subsidies amounted in that period? A lot. So the improvements of public services amount to 5.5 million. Florida and Ohio Avenue are 4.2 million. Tennessee Avenue is about 1.2 million. So it's not just a matter of TIF. I think my point is that We are really using our resources and looking for ways to maximize them by obtaining subsidies from the state and from the DOT to make these improvements here in our central area.

Some of these TIF funds have been used for foaming and water inside the CREA.

Not in the six years I've been here. I don't care anymore. Not since I've been here?

So you have re-qualified. Memorial Park was one of the projects. It was financed with funds not derived from subsidies or with subsidies.

This was financed through this. Some subsidies require a local contribution. And one of the subsidies on site at the moment concerns some improvements around the Alineven Elementary School. A total of 1.5 million. We divided it into three phases. In each phase, it was part of our request to contribute $100,000 to the project to get $500,000 from the State. And that money would come from the CREA. So this is, I think, a good example to show. Yes, we have to put money on the table, but we also receive a lot of funds from the State.

So again, reducing or eliminating the CEA actually saves the budget of the General Fund in the short term. It is a question, in my opinion, it would be an irrevocable decision and we would lose any funding from the county council.

What prevents the city from going to the county council and saying that we want to reduce the CEA for a single year?

I guess we could say that. I'm not sure they would agree.

We could.

The Countess must agree. Right. Right. I mean, they would be more likely to accept it than not to do anything. That's what I mean. I mean, if we said we would leave the CLA as it is, and you would have to give us your TIF of 600,000, or we can reduce it by 50% for this year and then review it next year if we want to carry it forward. Or less.

I don't know, but it requires a vote from the Countess next year too, right? To bring any kind of modification from the city would require a modification from the county.

What is the risk of redoing it so much now? Imagine this asking. The agreement could be to redo it only for a year? I agree with you.

I would say it is unlikely.

The future permission to do something like this.

I would think they would do it if it were an ordinance that changes, modifies, but again I don't think they can modify it unilaterally on their own. So? There should be a discussion in the city with the county, they did it themselves. I can tell you that our Shira is not at all their biggest Shira, so the money we have to do with it, although it is a lot for me, it is not much for the county in the grand scheme of things, even if every dollar they spend is important, right? Panama City and Panama City Beach especially have a lot more money than this city, I remember that.

So on the screen now there is a 75% financing, rather simple calculations. It now becomes a participation of 19 million dollars on the part of the county, of 13 million dollars on the part of the city in the course of the CEA.

It is up to 43, 2043. And I repeat, this 8% is a very conservative number in terms of growth forecasts. Well, it is historically accurate.

My crystal ball is broken.

I don't know how it will be in 2043 or any year between now and then, but statistically it is a defendable number.

There are limits on how we can spend that money. I mean, I understand that it must be within the CRA, but there are limitations on what can be done. Every activity must refer to the CRA plan. It is a document created in 2003 that identifies areas with shortcomings where the CRA should concentrate its funds. So the improvements of public services within the CERA, such as rainwater, are an important point. Improvements of the commercial corridor, improvements of the urban network along Florida Avenue and Ohio Avenue. Believe it or not, in 2003 there was talk of railway reconversion and the idea was promoted to find state funds to transform old railways into a non-motorized route. So there is actually a continuation. The plan is to extend the path to the fuel storage, so it is still on the list of things to do.

Dr. Geni and I also discussed the regional plan for rainwater.

I was just thinking about the problems of flooding and rainwater that we continue to face in the city. Using part of those funds to give purpose within the city. It is an advantage and reduces the burden on those who belong.

So correct me if I'm wrong, please. The regional plan for rainwater would directly benefit all those houses along the corridor of Florida Avenue, or rather, sorry, properties. And it could alleviate the rainwater requirements of those properties. The reason why we struggle to attract commercial activities is that everyone has to build their own collection basin, which limits the size of the buildings they can build. If we eliminate this requirement by installing a regional basin, the area becomes more attractive for companies because their buildable surface is increased.

What is the current state of the regional plan for rainwater in the ACRA? Some work has been done on it.

We had to refuse a subsidy because we don't have the property to build it.

What size is the property that we are considering?

4.7 acres in total, I think. And where are you from? Between the 12th and the 11th. Between Tennessee and Alabama.

So my opinion is that it would be in the interest of the city to save the CRA funds and buy the property. It would take several years to buy any property to install the regional rainwater system and then return to our previous method of using the CRA funds. I think it would increase the activities of Florida Avenue and attract a greater growth

At the moment we are working on a regional structure for the Piovane waters on the east side, financed 100% by subsidies so far.

We have obtained a legislative building to design it this year.

And then we can make a request for the Residence Florida funds or for another building to build it.

It is located behind the Lemo Islands.

And behind the Lemo Islands. It is just north of the Lemo Islands but south of the 18th Street.

More or less between Kang and Griffin. It flows on about 300 m2.

would decrease the impact on Florida? It would not have any impact on the other side. But it would have a positive impact on the east side of the I.R.A.E. All that is east is highway 77. So although that treatment plant is outside the borders of the I.R.A.E., it would bring a benefit, it would create a benefit for the I.R.A.E. So I think that with the approval of the count we could even spend some money

and I know you're looking for ways to use the C.R.A. funds that we never used in the past, like for the maintenance of the structures installed by the C.R.A., let's say, things like that that can be used, things that we have done historically.

So, going back to the C.R.A. plan, this is a kind of my support document. If you go and see, there are some sections that refer to this, every time An infrastructure was built with C.R.A. funds. The C.R.A. is authorized to spend money also for the maintenance of those infrastructural components. So they recognize the importance of the fact that building the infrastructure is important, but also keeping it equally important.

So we have provided a lot of information.

So what do I expect? They have the numbers cutting. Refuge is at 75%.

One moment, please.

Judging from the previous meeting of the Commission, the Commission is really looking at the 50% rate and is very favorable to animal refuge. I think we'll have a hard time convincing them to do anything else at this point. It's not up to us.

We just have to make recommendations and I'll make them happen.

I think the shelter, as much as I like it, makes sense. I mean, let's leave it. It's a short-term solution, but it will have an impact. I think, for the city, to renounce the funds that we received from the government and to be able to make improvements that we will probably have to make at some point with the other funds.

Yes, we could find ourselves in a year, Judy Vick, if this amendment or what happens, in November we could find ourselves again to examine the issue next year, but this is next year. I mean, if next year we had to find other funds, which we probably should do, Well, the entire balance sheet is a bit of a disaster. I mean, you are managing all the expenses in the capital account. You are not making any salary increase, which will have an immediate impact on staff.

There is money, just to freshen up the memory, there is money for the study of salaries. But it is not universally applied. It will be suitable for people who are not in line. And this is the term you use? Under market value. Under market. So, um, not all employees would benefit from that money. It would bring everyone back to the categories in which we can justify their salaries. So what I did now is that I eliminated animal shelter. I put $150,000 as a payment to the county office and I financed the CRA 75%. We are at 33. At 4.35.

Show the 397. Yes, yes. And how much does it amount to 50%? Before doing it, show the... 3 to 2 vote. 3 to 2 vote.

315 in deficit. Which scenario is this under?

With the 75... 75% to the CRA and the closure of the animal shelter. and 4.35 liters. This is a closed animal shelter and we only do 50% on wax.

50 Cirea and animal shelter is closed. This is the 4 to 1 vote. Cirea here, be sure.

What happened? Did you do it? I'm looking at the camera.

So let me finish this first, please, and then I'll ask the next question. This is 50% C. C. R. A. The animal shelter is gone. 4. This is a vote of 3 to 2. What was your next question? What if we closed the animal shelter from 475,000 to 25% C? At 35% And the 75% I believe it No, just reduce it to 25% So 75% to finance the 75% Let's not cut it, right?

75% to have a 20% cut You can't go below 50%

Well, that's what I meant. Cut it to 25. So, 75 is the financing? That's what I meant.

It's what you want. 75 is the financing? Yes.

Would you have already done it?

No, we'll do it. Not enough. The 75% financing of the SIE is closed on animal shelter. 300 euros.

I don't like it, but I'm fine with it. I'm not going crazy for the financing. I want to say cut it because I think it's short-term, I think we'll sacrifice long-term earnings, but I don't know if it's better. There's a lot of margin to work here.

And there's a 3 to 2 vote?

I'm not sure Benny is enthusiastic. I think it's fun. Well, I know, I know. I understand. And I'm not saying that it's your decision, but the city's.

And, in my humble opinion, I think there's a lot of money we'll leave in Naples.

There are no other ways to get these B's of subsidies, besides leaving... I mean, you're like the genius of subsidies.

Right. Don't try.

But we don't need the CERA to do this. The CERA does what? We are using funds to help get those subsidies. Yes and no. The CDBG subsidies and all the rest from the research we have done, we would have received those subsidies anyway. They have an impact within the limits of the CERA. We could still get those subsidies. Now the only subsidy Ben is talking about is the one for safe roads towards schools. anyway financing of 100,000 we will use the dollars of the cea for that if we did not have a cra probably we would use a contribution of 100,000 dollars we will have to get from the general fund and but if we did not have that money could already be in the general fund to cover the expense we have a bank editor at least one person probably several people who write Let's go, Gian.

Personally, I would be in favor of keeping the 50% and eliminating animal shelter. Do both things in this way. This distributes a little weight and gives us a little margin for the next year. And it is simply sustainable.

I think, you know, it's not something we do as a measure on a tantrum. C.R.A. at 50% animal shelter goes I agree with you on this. I think this is the point we are at. And you know, I mean, in the long run, I mean, let's look at the future money that a C.R.A. could bring or that could be relevant. But it's just a matter of having to make decisions sometimes.

And it will cost us money.

Obviously, given the numbers, it will cost us funds that are coming. But this does not mean that they will not resume things. And they will allow you to go back to 100%. It doesn't mean that we are closing everything forever. There is no guarantee that there will be no forever. And it's just a matter of, you know, I mean... I think that trying to get the city or the county back on its feet will be almost impossible. I don't think it will go back to 1,000, and then there will be no more financing.

There is no benefit for the county.

Do you mean that there are more money that will have money to do other things?

We are definitely helping the account balance. It could be little. For them it is a rounding error, for us it is important. It is little for them, but we are helping the account balance by cutting the CRM.

We are making the proposals.

I have a question about your expenses, the capital account. You are out of 700,000. 50,000 dollars from the previous budget to this. Spends in capital account. Look here. Look at what we are examining, arrived in the package today. You have a total of expenses in capital account of how much? It was 10,000 euro.

817. Yes, on both feet, I don't remember what we said.

So, I restructured many of the Certax projects. We modified a few things. We also received an OK to finance the reinforcement project of the HMGP fire guards.

So that process is included.

But there are corresponding entries. It is a co-financing and a subsidy program. But we moved about 1 million.

We removed the West Side Outfall project. It will not be designed and ready to go. We changed it. It has been added a million for the updates of the Fognaria drive.

So there are only a few things that have been moved.

But as you can see in the general background, you have the fridge in the kiosk. You have the roof for the complex of public works for the fuel and then you have the plant at the refuge for animals. Everything else is a subsidy fund.

I have just noticed that that number has changed. No.

The response will change again because they will have another Sertax project that we have to complete. So it will change again, but how do you refer to me? Well, I know.

Where is the general fund? But I was just wondering what the difference would be, you know, if I had to go back and look at every single point. Quorum, since we have the quorum. Whatever we vote for, if we vote for something, it must be unanimous. The majority of the quorum.

The majority of the quorum.

So it could be a 2-1 vote if we vote for something else. Well, let's proceed. I would like to recommend to the Commission to do what? What is it? The number 4... What is the number?

4 attention.

4 attention. And to finance the 50% tax and to control the animals.

According to the motion. I support it. All in favor say yes. I don't want anyone, okay? I'll vote against it. Emotion passes by. It's not, we voted. You are supported.

Do you have any other questions?

Well, now that we have voted and approved and you have voted no, what was your thought? It's just the clinic. It would be the only thing I don't agree with.

For the most part, no. Do you mean the long-term effects? You and I know, I mean, I perfectly understand that there are concerns, but, you know, the discussions are for this. I mean the governments, whether they are from the county or from the city, they discuss all this kind of things and it's a matter of, you know, guys, we did what we did to be able to manage everything and understand that yes, it is not appropriate to the county to pay 100% of the import. But there are many residents who are from Linven and contributing who live in the county. So it is also up to the county to keep their customers satisfied. Do you understand what I mean? Yes. And there is no reason why they would want to be able to... Technically correct. So technically they have a base in Antia.

They will finance our marches. Okay, we will pay for your Pennsylvania Avenue. Let's move on.

I don't think we have any suspicions. Other questions? Other questions? All right. See you at the next meeting. So, we have a workshop on the balance sheet this afternoon at 3 p.m. The Commission will vote on a provisional vote.

Next Tuesday at 8 p.m. And then again on the 23rd, it will be the final one. I would suggest that the work of this committee is probably finished for this fiscal year and that we could go back to the quarterly meetings, unless you have another idea. No.

Does anyone agree?

I can torment Kiki whenever I want. Do you know where to find it?

So technically in a degree of December it is three months.

Yes, we are already in December. 15th Sunday is Christmas.

I don't have anything to say.

As I said, we are in December for everyone. I'm there. I'm checking right now. Yes, I looked there. Do you want to do it at 8 on Tuesday? Yes.

Before we get started, since we met today and they won't be available for a few hours in a budget meeting... ...workshop on the budget today. We need someone of us to go there. Commission meeting to present what we have done.

You won't have time for all of you.

We have the planning council immediately there, so we will present it to them. And right at the beginning, as long as they know what we have recommended.

Of course, you are more than welcome to participate.

We would be bad, I'm not talking about the committee's name, though.

Can we vote on this?

Anything else?

Will you agree? Let's see. Thank you. Will you send me a mail? Which one do you want?