Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good morning. We're gonna go ahead and call today's meeting of the Lake County Planning and Zoning Board. So we are I'm gonna go ahead and start with just some housekeeping. First of all, this is Lake County's Planning and Zoning Board. We are an advisory board to the Lake County Board of County Commission.

We are responsible for reviewing proposed changes to the comprehensive plan, zoning, conditional uses, mining site plans, and making recommendations on applications to the Board of County Commissioners. These recommendations are then transmitted to the Board of county commissioners for their consideration at a scheduled public hearing. And in this instance, these cases that are scheduled for our consideration today would be in front of the board of county commissioners on August 5, which meets at 09:00 in the morning. So if we could all rise for the pledge of allegiance we will begin.

Stands one nation under God indivisible with

liberty and justice for all if you could all remain standing just for a moment of silence thank you Okay. So first of all, this for staff, is there any update to the agenda?

Good morning. For the record, Janie Barone, planning manager with the office of planning and zoning. Staff would like to enter the record that the cases have been duly noticed in accordance with state statute. For tab one, you should have the correspondence regarding the permission to use the, new the new yard pattern book for the Florida sustainable single family homes second edition and for tab eight in the dais you should also have a memo with supporting correspondence for tab eight.

Okay thank you and I also have speaker cards for tab six. So we'll be moving tab six down from the consent agenda to the regular agenda. Is there any other changes to the agenda? No other changes.

Okay.

And let's move on to the minutes of the last meeting, which was June 4. Are there any changes or modifications to the minutes from June 4? If none, I seek a motion.

Move to approve. Second.

Alright. I have a motion and a second. Is there any need for discussion? Alright. All in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Opposed? Same sign. Thank you. Okay. And we're now going to open up for public comment. This is on any item that is not on our agenda today. So if there is anyone in the public who wishes to speak on something that is not listed in our agenda packet or on the agenda that you have for today, you now have an opportunity to speak if you would like to do so. Okay. Seeing none, we will come back to the consent agenda.

Madam Chair, on the speaker cards, are all cards speaking against the items or in favor of the items?

These are for tab six, and

they all say against, but because they put speaker cards in there,

they need an opportunity to speak and clarify that. All right, so is there any discussion for any items on the consent agenda? Does anyone have any questions for staff or any information they would like for the consent before we move into a motion? Alright, so the consent agenda now has tab one, two, three, four, five, and seven. I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Motion to approve. Second.

Alright. I have a motion and a second. Any need for discussion? Alright. All in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Alright, so we'll now move into our regular agenda and we will begin with tab six.

Tab six is gonna be Thank you.

You're welcome. Good morning. For the record, Megan Roccialli, planner with the office of planning and zoning. I will be presenting tab number six, case number PZ2023321, otherwise known as Herteberkschwine Farms. The applicant is requesting a conditional use permit on approximately 19.49 acres to allow a hog farm within the agriculture district.

The subject property is located in unincorporated Groveland and contains approximately 19.49 acres. The subject property is currently designated with a green swamp rural future land use category and a zoned agriculture district. The property is also located within the green swamp area of critical state concern. The concept plan depicts the existing home site and agricultural structures. The proposed ordinance does waive the livestock structure setback requirements for all existing livestock structures as seen on the concept plan.

Any future livestock structures would be required to comply with the land development regulations as amendment amended. Staff finds the conditional use permit request for a hog farm on the subject parcel is consistent with the land development regulations and comprehensive plan. The applicant and I are available for any additional questions.

Does anyone have questions for staff before we move to allow the applicant to present their position? Okay. So we'll go ahead and hear from the applicant at this time. Is there anything you would like to discuss or explain before we move in to public comment.

My name is Heidi Adams. This is my husband Shane Adams. We are the farm owners of Herderberch Swine Farms. We've been there approximately five years, and we have been under USDA for that amount of time. USDA is actually a very stringent part of the government that has been regulating and has been regulating our farm for this duration.

We had to actually receive allotment from them in order to do the processing and the slaughter. But we have also had the ability to go under USDA for the hog side of the farm because we have had several universities, doctors, clinics, dental clinics that receive our product in order to do education for their students, whether it be university students or dental doctors. So there has been a lot of interest in our location because they do not receive that stuff, all of the jowls and all of the teeth and the fetuses and such for their use for training our great doctors and dentists. So we are very excited about that. And also pediatric nurses and a company that actually deals with pediatrics and intubations.

And my previous job was a firefighter paramedic and so for me that really hit home because we had lost our son to drowning and so they really, it's very important to me to provide this ability to bring this to them because they actually are teaching our future doctors and our paramedics and nurses to be able to innovate so that they can save children. So they do not receive this, they find it very difficult to locate places that they can get this kind of product, and the care that we take to present this to them is outstanding due to the fact that it hits as close to home as it does. So that was just the beginning. But the other side of our farm and the importance of our farm is the fact that we are all natural. We care about the environment, we care about what we're doing to our environment and our land, we care about the care that we take in the animals.

We do not use antibiotics, vaccinations, mRNA, any of those things that a normal, commercial hog farm does because we have a very close knit group of, we started out with mostly chefs, that's what our interest was. And these chefs, they look for our product, they tell other chefs about us. And we actually have, beard nominated chefs, we have Michelin Star chefs that are asking for our product, they tell other chefs about us because they know that we care about our animals, not just for the the great quality of the taste, but the fact that we don't do all of this stuff that all of the big conglomerates do. As for the care of the animals, they are allowed to live outside. They're not held up in barns.

We don't have holding tanks. The area that we have these hogs in allows them to play, be natural, allows them to get good clean air. We do not have to have filtering stations and all of this kind of stuff because they are not held in such a tight area, and we do not have thousands thousands of hogs. We have a few 100, and we are not planning to grow big and massive because it's just me working on the farm with my son. We might have an occasional, worker come out, but but we don't have we just are not planning to get large because that our idea in the first place.

We wanted to be something that nobody else has, and the fact that we're all natural, we utilize the land, we rotate the animals, we use natural products, diatomaceous earth, we do, like I said, no vaccinations and no antibiotics. So we're not putting all of that garbage into the So it's really, really important for us to be able to utilize the healthiness of those animals to, you know, bring great product. And then the other thing is we're a really great avenue for homeschool families to come teach their children where product comes from. We work with FFA, we work with four H, we've had the kids out doing tours, teaching them anywhere from between the slaughter to the growth of the animals and how we breed them. And then we also worked with Danish group.

They've been out here every other year for the past four years. They come all the way from across the world to see our farm. And that is something amazing because it brings them into Lake County, now they're utilizing all of, you know, Lake County's aspects of, you know, whether it be other places to eat or other places to go. So we're not just touching the people in Florida, we're touching people in other countries. So which is amazing, and then they get to take that back and go, this is something that we get to do every year to, you know, be able to see a different aspect than just the commercial side of things.

And over there, they're not allowed to use antibiotics. They're not allowed to use all of that stuff has been passed lately, so the the fact that they actually follow our farm is incredible, because of that aspect. So there's a lot of pluses, between the medical aspect, the natural aspect, and then also the education aspect that we touch on. And we're just really excited to be a part of, you know, Lake County and being able to provide that for all of them. Did you anything have else that you wanted

to No, think you covered it.

Do you guys have any questions that I may answer?

I have a few. Absolutely. I'm a big fan of pork. I saw that you have sand pits did I read that correctly for the pigs in order to reduce odor?

Correct. So the areas that they are in is completely sand, which is an amazing filter. And pigs are very clean. Just a quick few pig facts. Pigs will only poop in one specific area. They will never poop where they eat, so they will never consume it, and they will never lay in it. So there is a specific area where they go. So yes.

So my question is, so like a VOC testing, do you have any either annual or quarterly testing of the air quality? Because I'm sure you've got neighbors. And I with know pigs, that's just it looks like you've got it

well set up. I'm curious if you guys have any tests We haven't had any per se tests done for the air quality. But, we do have water tests done every six months per USDA. And USDA, like I said, is very regulated, and so they're not requiring us to do a, air sample test, but we definitely do a water sample test, and that shows clean. It's showed clean, since the moment we moved there up until this last water sample was, I think it was taken in March. And so the water samples always come out clean that we are not

How is it capturing the nutrient from the from the the

So we have a well.

Yeah. It's well tested.

And so we test the well every six every six months. Okay.

Yeah. Cool.

And USDA is also out there to inspect the health of all the animals because we're not just a USDA facility just for the processing side of things. We're also USDA birthing facility. So we're registered with the state as a birthing. So they come out and they always are inspecting the health of the animals.

And the cleanliness.

And because we rotate the animals all the time, so we our pens are sand, but our lanes where we move the hogs are grass. So it basically attracts the pigs that wanna come out of the pen, they're constantly in rotation. We move them from pen to pen, so they never sit in one spot for a long lengthy period of time.

Alright. Excellent. Thank you.

I would say on the on the, smell factor, our hardest time obviously is during the summer because we know we get rains every single day, at least fifteen minutes. And so normally during the winter, it's not difficult. There is very little, in fact, we have people drive up all the time and say, I didn't even know you were out here. We had two neighbors that they called me and they were like, well, what's going on? You know, we didn't even know this was this was happening, and they were worried about the size of the farm, but they when they came onto the farm because initially, one came out to get one of their hogs processed because they didn't know we were there, and then the other one came out to do a farm tour because they didn't know we were there.

So that tells me significantly and they're on our bordering property, so it just tells me significantly that they, even bordering, could not smell the farm, which is significant. People say that they they literally drive up and they have to be right in front of the pens. Like I said, that changes during the summer because of the rains, it gets muddy. But other than that, I mean, we have had absolutely mind blowing people just saying, didn't even know you were there.

Excellent. Thank you.

I did ride out and look at the I didn't ride down the road there and see your farm.

Good.

But there that whole community is sort of connected with Ag Road, Carter Jones and Empire Church. And I reckon my big concern is smell and flies. There is no boundaries when it pertains to that. So I think my main concern is that and we'll wait and hear some of the opposition.

We also put into our feed. Our feed comes from a mill up in Lake City. And we put a product into the feed that will not allow the flies to basically germinate.

So Clarify is the stuff we put in, and it's absorbed by the hogs in order for the larvicide not to produce. And so when we talked to the gentleman about because obviously we are all natural, it is not, it will not cause issues in the soil, but he said the biggest thing is, all of the cows that are around our property from all of our neighbors, we can't, we can't keep them, the flies from their cows and their feces from coming over to our place. So, we can mitigate all of our stuff from our animals, but we can't mitigate the neighbors. So the majority of flies, and we have seen a huge significant drop in, fly issues from last year to this year just due to the fact that we went and did the CLARE fly and we do not have, I mean it is a significant drop in the amount of flies that we have this year. So we were very excited to see that because we actually contacted a commercial company to come out and help us with that issue.

And when we contacted the Clarifly company, we decided to go with them because all of the other ones were temporary, know, passive things that we could do to mitigate the flies, but this actually really did an amazing job. So the flies are coming from the neighbors.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

I have a question. Sure. You've been operating for five years now? Yes. What happens if you can't operate anymore? What happens what happens to your farm?

What do you do?

We would probably have to look to see how else we can change it, what it would take to make people happy. But I believe that 've done a huge, deal in making sure that we are, preserving the land and, we have spent time talking to our neighbors. Obviously, our neighbors have been there longer and, they're not necessarily all thrilled that we're there, but, we try very hard, as a Christian family to make sure that we are doing the right thing by everyone because obviously good neighbors are great. But, I mean, unfortunately, you can't always please everyone, so we just do, you know, the best we can. And and it would just depend on what we needed to look at, to either change or, yeah.

It it would just it would be looking at what we would need to change in order to, make it work. Thank you.

So, I just really have one question. You've been operating all of the services shown in this application. Correct? So you've been doing breeding, slaughtering, processing, production, and sale of product on property this whole five years you've been in operation. Correct?

Correct. Initially, we did not know that we were required to do a COP. It was brought to our attention, and immediately, we contacted the county to correct the issue. As far as I know, there is no, statement as property, that is required in order to get a CUP. And so in speaking to a lot of other farmers that have had hogs on their property, a lot of people don't know that there is a requirement for a conditional use to have hogs.

So like I said, immediately we got that taken care of, but unfortunately, it has taken us over three and a half years working with lawyers, getting our paperwork together, trying to, make sure that we are getting everything that the county has asked us for. That was right at the beginning of COVID too. So it was a real struggle because I know that you guys had had an influx of different employees, people had left the offices and stuff like that. So we've been struggling trying to, get this taken care of for that long. And so, we've really been, seeking other avenues as to how we can get this taken care of so that we are always making sure that we're doing the right thing.

Okay. Do y'all have any other animals on your property or is it, I mean, for your agricultural activity, not like your pets?

Right. No. So we started out with horses. That was originally why we got the property. And then we actually got some mini Herefords. We have a very small herd of, like, five or six mini Herefords. And then we've got chickens and a dog that kills the chickens. But, yes. So we've got a few animals.

Okay. I was just checking. Is there any other questions for the applicant before we hear from the public?

I have one. Yes, I heard you say that someone brings their animals for you for processing. So you have a slaughterhouse. Yes, we do. Is there any requirement on the people who bring their animals to you regarding natural, or does that matter?

They're contained away from they cannot be commingled with our animals. So when they come in, they go to a whole To directly? Immediately, and can't leave that area.

Okay. Thank you. And we do that on a Wednesday. So they are literally there for two days, and then we slaughter on a Friday. Thank you. And and just to give you an idea, our slaughter is we're not doing hundreds of animals. On an average, we do five. And that just depends on our chef's orders. And then if we have any extra custom customers, that's what we call people bring in their animals. We have actually tried to stay a little bit more away from doing the custom customers just because I'm doing it by myself, and so the higher numbers, it's really hard for me to get all of that stuff done.

So we don't tend to bring in as many custom customers as, let's say, Osteen's. That's their main focus.

Thank you. All

right. We're going to hear from the public, and then we will call you both back up to rebut. You'll have ten minutes after we hear from the public.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you. Alright. So first we're gonna hear from Amanda Liddichen. For everyone that's gonna be speaking today, we will have three minutes. Please when you come to the podium, state your name and address for the record. Yes, or you can to this side, whichever side you want.

I'm I'm Amanda Litikin. Address is 13530 Sin Castle Drive. I am one of the neighbors that kinda butt around the farm. We have been there for about fifteen years, very peaceful neighborhood, very quiet. The smell that has taken over our area and the amount of flies that have taken over our area is something that I just cannot explain.

We used to be outside a lot, we used to grill out a lot, we have since in the last year, two years installed screen everywhere on our front porch and back porch that we did not have to have before because the flies are so bad just to be able to do simple things like grill out because they would just, I mean they would, it was crazy. It's helped with the flies but the smell is intense, even just being outside playing basketball with our kids at the end of the day, the smell is just really intense and as a mom of four kids, it's a very concerning having a slaughterhouse and you know a pig farm, again 20 acres seems like a lot but when we're talking hundreds of hogs on 20 acres that is nestled in between several residents, it's just I don't feel that it's the area for that and it's just it's affecting our day to day, it's affecting the value of our property because people come out to our house and the first thing they say when they get out of the car is what does that smell. So it is something that is very present and is a very big concern of ours for the health and the safety and just the overall smell of our neighborhood.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Jennifer Wood.

Hello. My name is Jennifer Wood. +1 8130 my family has owned the 50 acres adjacent to the pig farm for twenty five years now. I lived out there for twelve years. We moved out to our starter home, but the dream was always to go back to my parents property and build a house for my kids. But the smell as Amanda said is is overpowering. I showed cows, I've had goats, we've had animals our whole life and nothing compares to the flies and the smell that has come with this pig farm. My parents put in a pool and it's just hit or miss whether or not we can be outside in it. It's just it's so strong. It's strong all year long.

It does get worse in the summer, but even in the winter, the smell is just really, really bad. And so I'd love to go out there and raise my kids with their grandparents and with their cousins, but just the smell is holding us back from being able to realize that. Because I could stay in my little neighborhood with my little yard and play out in the fresh air, or I could go out to the country where there should be fresh air but there's not. So it's just just a real struggle and the just the smell and the flies and the just the environmental impact of everything. So that is it. Thank you.

Thank you. And David Litikin?

Jennifer.

Oh, David. Sorry.

Good morning. David Litikin. 13520 Sand Castle Road. We moved out there in 1999, bought 50 acres, like, as my daughter, Jenny. And anyway so but, yeah, we like she said, we built a pool. We had no intention of putting a screen enclosure on it, but the flies were so bad. We you there's you had to do it. You know? I mean, we built it up to where it looks like overlooked our pond and that's what was our intent, but we have to put a screen enclosure because the flies are so bad. As far as the I think the VOC smell thing would be great to do because we can we smell it every morning.

Every morning it smells. It's if we're not getting it, our neighbors are getting it. So I don't know who is going out there and saying that they can't smell this stuff because it's it's it's in it's crazy. But we've lived through it for, like I said, about five years. Been a lot of lot of things that we've seen. We've seen dead pigs dragged out to the back of their property, laying there for weeks until buzzers drag them off or coyotes drag them off. We've had baby pigs in our field where they've died and they haven't took care of them and they've drug them out there. There's jaw bones and all kinds of bones in our pastures. Almost at any given time, you could count. It hasn't been as bad lately, but we'd be we'd have a 100 buzzers just constantly in the trees.

And we're like, we never had that. Never ever had I mean, there's a buzzer on our property for the first twenty years, it was because somebody shot a deer or something died. But or or but it's it was constant, you know, it's like that. We found baby pigs in the garbage can where they just, you we called and complained to USDA about that because they're supposed to dispose of them properly. We had another neighbor across over there that there was pig parts laying out in our driveway because we have a long driveway, we share a driveway.

So it's just been a constant battle with it. I don't understand this because I'm a general contractor and plumbing contractor for forty years and I get my permits and I do what I'm supposed to do in order to do my business. How how do the and I called zoning when they started this and zoning would do nothing about it. You know, so I finally called USDA and complained to them about it. And zoning was trying to tell me that they didn't need a permit which in fact the rules say they need a permit to have pigs. There is no exception. Can have, you know, as you guys know, you can have grazing animals. Pigs aren't a grazing animal. You can have goats and cows and sheep, you can't have pigs. There's no stipulation without a permit.

So how do we how do these people be able to do this business for so many years unpermitted and there's no fines though. I mean, and now they're coming and trying to get a permit. I mean, if that was in my industry, I'd have all kinds of fines against me. I don't understand how it gets to this point. So so basically, are we telling the people go do whatever you want and then, you know, then try to get a permit afterwards? And that's that's because it gets everything I know because that's what we don't operate that way. We do things right. Sorry. Thank you.

Thank you. Jonathan

I haven't been as involved in this for as long. Jenny and I were married, just a year ago. But I will say this, I'm the kind of guy that, Jennifer tells me all the time, you know, she'll smell something. I don't smell it. But when I go I I think some guys are that way.

But when I go out to the property, and we've gone out there to look and and try to plan, you know, this dream house that that Jennifer was talking about, and I do smell it. And it is overpowering. It is it's awful. But I'm not out there on the property all that much. I'm really glad to hear, you asking about the conditional use permit and the fact that it hasn't been in existence for so for so long all this time, and I was glad to hear what Dave was saying.

I think that he's on the money with that. I to me, it just doesn't seem right, to go about having this business and build this up without the permit that was supposed to be required. And for there to be no consequences to that, to me, seems unethical. And I really do think that that should be considered when you guys are evaluating this. There should have been, conditional use permit in effect all this time, and I do think that there should be consequences for that. Thank you.

Thank you. David James Litikin? You guys got the whole family here today. It's like a reunion.

Dave oh.

Oh. Sorry. Kicked the door.

David James Litikin. 13530 Sin Castle Drive, Groveland, Florida 34736. Yes. The the smell is bad. The flies are bad. Of course, it depends on the day. You know? But either way, you're usually smell it. It just I live if you look at the aerial, we're probably the furthest house from the property. My parents are closer. And where Jenny was one of builds a lot closer. But, yeah, it's it's bad. You know? And and I'm just gonna be blunt with you. If you're in your house and you got flies flying around inside your house, know they came from a pig farm. So there's there's pig crap, pig feces, whatever the proper term is, in your house. You know? Or now it's landing on your food. It's not great. You know?

You can't have your windows down in your car because if you leave them down for too long, you got pig flies in your car. It's just not fun. I start work five, 06:00 in the morning and yes, summertime, you walk out, it's 80 degrees and that stuff hits you in your mouth when you go out the door. It's bad. There's nothing that wakes you up better than that smell. I mean, it's it's rough. So I'm not a fan. Wishing the best. Do it somewhere else. Not there.

I can't stand it. I've lived there twenty five years off and on, and it's rough. Buzzards, you know, we would if we had buzzards at the property, it was because something was dead, whether it was from somebody shooting a deer or a cow, whatever it was. Now buzzards hang out there. They're on my roof. They're on my truck. You know, it's constant. The coyote population is getting bigger. There's a ag farm, South Lakes ag farm on Ag Road, that pack of coyotes runs from that ag farm and it runs all the way down to Carter's Isle, if you're familiar with that area. That pack is getting bigger, and they're staying localized in that area.

Before they would travel and at least we had some kind of break from them, we don't now. You can hear them pretty much every night around one to three in the morning. So it's not ideal. For us, I don't like it, and I think that's all I'm supposed to say. Oh, also, I will say I'm a math guy a little bit, so I think when I looked at the stuff last night, they said they were gonna kill eight to nine hogs a week. I ran that, I think it was like 416 hogs a year, and then the hogs are between eight and nine months. I tried figuring out that formula. That sounds like a lot more than 300 hogs to me to maintain that kill order. So that's a concern. They have events.

Don't know if there's gonna be more events, less events with the farm. When I'm talking about events, they have two to 300 people. I know that's a big event once a year with the other sponsors outside. They also have, like, movie nights, which is brings a lot more traffic down that road, so then we have upkeep for roads, stuff like that. So there you go. That's my 2¢. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Farmer Banks. Yes. Helfrich. Thank you.

Farmer Banks, Helfrich, Clay Road District, South Lake County Farm Tip of the Day, watermelons are in the ground now, you can help them grow and mature. One of the things is put cardboard underneath them when they're about a softball size. Another thing is you can rotate them every few days until they come to maturation. And then the last thing is that they you make sure that the vine comes from the plant and the vine that goes to the actual fruit, there's a curlicue and the curlicue is black, can harvest them. That means they're harvestable.

Heidi and I are both on the Eco Agrarian Lifestyle Living Committee with the City of Clare of Groveland. We look for ways to create agriculture within our area. If we were to ever have another pandemic, where would we get our food? We are looking for places locally that we can find our food. Heidi and Shane are doing something outside the ordinary.

They are doing regenerative farming. They are on the cutting edge of sand pits, of making sure it's organic, making sure it's free range. I am regenerative farmer. I teach farming to people, they come to my seven acre farm, and I have 15 different gardens, and that's what I do. When I hear, what Heidi is doing with her regenerative farming and her practices, it's beyond any other scope of what's going on here in Lake County.

I would like to say that that what they're doing is becoming a beacon for other communities around the world to come and notice. I approve this. I'm a supporter of Shane and Heidi's, and I hope you all will too be. Thank you.

Thank you. Evie Len.

Hello, I'm a customer actually of theirs. My husband is from Germany so I have to have fine fresh pork in order to have the meals. I've gone to their place a couple times to pick up the meat and it seemed very clean. They were very open to show me the pigs and where they butcher and how they butcher because I told them it was very important for me to to know and then everything was very fresh and all natural because I don't eat anything from grocery store that is not natural. And it's it's been clean.

I did get to know Heidi and her husband a little more because we had little five little baby hogs that came on our property just like came to we have 55 acres. This is on about eight miles from them. But I got to understand pigs by being stuck with five pigs on our farm. It took about two weeks for me to find out who the owners were and it was actually one of my neighbors and they were, so we kept them, we kept

them

on a concrete and took care of them until we found the owners. And they were right with pigs that there is two separate, I study everything, I'm a research specialist and I did notice that there is pigs do not defecate where they eat and they sleep. So they're actually clean animals. But it's, of course, maintaining them, it was a lot of work. But they I got to I contacted them because they raised neighbors, they thanked us for keeping the hogs for them and saving their lives, but they and I took care of them for a couple more weeks until they got their pen where they wouldn't escape.

So they gave us three of the hogs out of and they had two. So we were stuck with three hogs. And they were cute when they were little, and then as they were growing up, they got big and it was time to, you know, my husband says, call the hog farm, see if they'll take the hogs. And so we did, and Heidi came to pick them up. Heidi is a workaholic, just like me.

I'm a workaholic. And I think that if anything needs to be done, they would do it. So if there's a, you know, with the neighbors, if there's a fly problem, there's a lot of natural remedies to prevent from flies because I'm fanatic over clean and sanitary, but natural. So I would love to keep purchasing the fresh meat from them and I think that they would do whatever needs to be done because they're workaholics and they're fanatics over this is their love and their passion. I think they would do it, and I'm not a neighbor, but I would understand the problems with neighbors.

If you could wrap up. Okay. Sorry.

So I really think that it would be an advantage to have them on here. But if there's an issue with anything, I think due to research that all that could be remedied. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

Okay. I have no other speaker cards. Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on this item? If not, then we will allow the applicant to rebut, or do we wanna do staff do they have questions for staff before we allow the applicant to give us rebuttal? Yes. Okay. So we're gonna do if it's okay with the applicant, okay. We're gonna ask some questions to staff, and then we'll have you come up and you can have ten minutes to rebut. Thank you.

Just to Meg Brachelli for the record, just to clarify, general agriculture is an allowed use zoning and future land use. And the LDR definition does allow for establishments for the keeping, grazing, or feeding of livestock and animals. It does not allow for the processing and distribution, which is why this property requires a conditional use permit for those particular items.

So they can still do what they're doing now

They can

still

have the hogs.

If we did not support the conditional use permit.

That is correct. The ordinance with the conditional use permit is used to establish the processing and distribution operation specifically.

I have a question on the number of pigs. Would there be a limit to the number of pigs that would be allowed property without the conditional use permit for processing?

There is not a limit to the number of pigs in the ordinance as it is now.

So they could raise them there and process them elsewhere if for some reason they didn't get the CUP on this without issue?

I would yield

I mean, theoretically, not

I think you mean from a development regulations perspective, Correct.

A Right. Business They could be raised on the land. They just wouldn't be able to process or or distribute.

Okay. Thank you. On this site, they would have to do that off-site. Right. Okay.

Are there any recommendations on how to handle the smell, the flies, and any kind of inspections, anything that would check on this all the time?

The CUP writing conditions into the conditional use permit ordinance would help mitigate. Should the conditional use permit be allowed, code enforcement does do yearly inspections to ensure that they are complying.

And that's just yearly?

Yearly. So if they didn't have a conditional use and they didn't actually do the slaughter and processing there, there would be code enforcement inspections. Right. Unless? Unless there was a violation perceived violation of code.

Or a call, right, if somebody called. Correct.

And code enforcement would include the air testing, the odor? No. No. That's not Okay.

Right. And just to clarify for the board, we don't have any codes regarding odor. I mean, that's typically clean air federal type purview. We I don't even know how you would mitigate for that, quite frankly, in this ordinance. I mean

We do have, though doesn't our code speak to, like, noxious odors, visuals, lighting, stuff like that as a

So we have a noxious use category. And I'll bring Christopher. Do you want to address that? Really, But don't know how you code enforce an odor. It's just not feasible.

Morning. Christopher Boyce, officer of code enforcement. Obnoxious odors, we wouldn't be able to enforce because to would be able to pinpoint exactly where that odor is coming from, for one, would be very difficult, especially in the ag zone property that is surrounded by ag and all the other animals that were abound, to be able to pinpoint exactly where an odor is coming from is difficult thing, especially when you're not allowed on the property.

And just to add to that, I mean I'm sure everybody is familiar with the Mount Dora Landfill, I mean the county and the city have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars doing quote, odor studies that just would not be feasible for agricultural properties.

With with still very little results from all those studies, so But

for example, if a if a commercial property was disposing of their trash accumulation properly and it was permeating an odor from that property, neighbors would eventually call and say this commercial property owner isn't having their trash taken care of properly, it smells, it is preventing me from reasonable enjoyment of my property, please come out and do something about it, you would then go out and look to see if there are issues, correct?

Right, well what we could do is we could go out there and enforce portion of that. The odor portion we could not, but the trash we could go out there and for accumulation of solid waste or, you know, that is the source of the odor, we could go investigate that part. But to be able to do odor

that in

an setting where you have lots of ag properties touching each other, lots of animals on those properties, would be, I think what you're saying is it would be very, very difficult to pinpoint whether it's coming from this property or another.

I mean, even if you kind of know what it is to be able to prove, I mean, it's, you know, it's like the study from Mount Dore, they pretty much they say they know where it's from, but you can't pinpoint exactly. And that's experts going out there, and we have no way of doing that. But we can address the underlying causes like trash or, you know, not disposing of it or violation of the CUP, any conditions you put in there. Even though we inspect it once a year, if there is a complaint of something, trash not being done or any of the conditions of the CUP not being met, we would go out there then upon that complaint.

So one of the things that we heard from some of the public was that they had found, you know, deceased animals animals and animal parts improperly disposed of or on their properties or on rights of way or shared easements, that's something that they could, if they saw this, call you and say obviously something is amiss here because those things shouldn't just be everywhere, they should be contained to their property. So you'd be able to go out and investigate that, correct, if they're finding animal parts and carcasses strode within easements and on their properties that

So let me just remind the board too that under the Right to Farm Act, the noise, the odor, those types of things, they do have protections under the Right to Farm Act. There may be civil avenues for the residents to pursue if the farm began after, you know, those residents the the complaining residents were there. But it it's a very fine line with code enforcement when it comes to farming activities as to what they can and cannot enforce.

But, like, for example, if someone's animals are getting off their property and coming onto my property because they're not contained properly, that would be something I could call code enforcement about or something I would call the sheriff's department about?

That that would be sheriff's department animal.

Animals as sheriff's. And then if there were in fact, you know, animal parts or remains off property being found on my property or in easements or shared access points, that's something that residents would be calling code enforcement or the sheriff's department about.

You can't call anybody.

Well, you can't just dispose of animal parts anywhere you want.

Well, a bird could

carry it. Yes, but again what complicates this is you have Department of Ag who should oversee some of those issues as well. So it may be complaints need to be made to Department of Ag. It's all going to be very fact specific that I can't answer for you on the fly right now, but there would be avenues for them to complain about those things. I just don't know that it's the county necessarily that would be the proper party.

Alright. So I just wanted to try to navigate that so that residents who were saying they've been having building issues, who their contact point is if those continue to build or grow, if their contact point is here at the county or if it's largely a state agency or federal agency. It sounds like they've contacted USDA already, but maybe the Department of Agriculture at the state level for issues. And then of course they can always reach out to you for guidance, right?

And that's what I was going say. If you call and make a complaint, we and it's not under our purview, we do refer it up to and we'll give you information to who to make that complaint to. So if you call code enforcement, we try to guide you in the correct Okay. Correct lane.

Wonderful. So to just kind of wrap this up, not only are they governed under the USDA, but also the Department of Agriculture, and now with the conditional use, they'll be governed under Lake County because we're having the conditional use permit. So there's an additional layer of compliance and accountability, not less.

Correct. And for us, we would for code enforcement, we would go specifically what you define in that CUP. So if it's absent, then we can't.

Well, and that brings up my follow-up statement in question. I noticed in the ordinance, we heard that they're doing events there, but it does not appear that events are covered in the ordinance. So is that something that we didn't address? Because what we don't wanna have is after three and a half years, have something absent for their current operations.

Absolutely.

My understanding is that the events that are being held fall under the agritourism. This property does have an agricultural exemption.

Perfect. As long as it's not prohibited within this ordinance, we're not restricting that at all? That is not restricted within the ordinance.

What does agritourism allow in terms of events as a distinction from any other type property uses events.

Agritourism activity means any agricultural related activity consistent with a bonafide farm, livestock operation, or ranch, or in a working forest which allows members of the general public for recreational, entertainment, or educational purposes to view or enjoy activities including farming, ranching, historical, cultural, civic, ceremonial, ceremonial, or training and expedition, or harvest your own activities and attractions. Agritourism activity does not include the construction of newer additional structures or facilities intended primarily primarily to to house, house, shelter, shelter, transport, transport, or or otherwise otherwise construction. Accommodate members of the general public. That gives you a better Does

that mean there's no limit on agritourism events?

In terms terms of number?

Amount of them per year, amount of attendees permitted to be there, whether or not they require a permit, hours of operation, noise, lighting, all that stuff. Well, that's all in here

already, the hours of operation.

Well, that's for the processing So

the agritourism statute is very, very broad. And it has become an issue in many parts of the county. The Board of County Commissioners recently authorized my office to work on a request to the Attorney General's Office for clarification, mainly for wedding venues. I'm not sure exactly what they're doing out there. I can't imagine they're doing wedding venue at a hog farm.

But it is very, very broad. It's a broad preemption. And counties across the state of Florida are having the same issues with the agritourism statute that there are these large scale events that are taking place on agricultural properties. I think generally there's been some informal opinions from the Attorney General's office which seem to lead towards we can regulate the things that happen off the property, such as you can't have stacking on the road and those types of things. But as far as the property itself and the events that take place, it looks like counties are not being successful in trying to regulate those activities. So at some point, it's going to take a legislative clarification regarding the extent to which those activities are allowed to take place.

Thank you. You. No, sir. I'm sorry. We've closed public comment. I apologize. That's how we work.

I know that.

I'm so sir. I'm sorry. But we this is how our procedure works. You can't address unless you're being called upon and your opportunity has already occurred. Thank you.

Megan, is there any is there any way to have more inspections, I mean, the once a year on code enforcement?

You you could include it include as an additional condition that there be inspections conducted however often you would like.

Quarterly or or?

But we could put that additional condition in here for for an additional inspection per year, maybe, that it happens twice yearly instead of once yearly?

You can include that with your recommendation to the BCC that to add that additional condition.

Okay. Alright. Are there any other questions for staff before we hear from the applicant? Okay. We will now hear a rebuttal from the applicant, and you all will have ten minutes for your rebuttal.

For the record, my name is Heidi Adams. This is my husband Shane Adams, and we are the owners of Herderbergh's Vine Farms. In response to a lot of the questions, I'm gonna just kind of quickly go down the list since I have ten minutes. Number per farm. So hogs hogs are not regulated under the farms in general.

If any farm has any hogs on property, they would need a conditional use permit because as it stands right now, there is no limit to number of hogs. We keep on our farm an average of three fifty hogs a year. And they are going in and going out constantly. I do not sometimes we have weeks that we do more roasters for local holidays, like this week we're gonna do a few more extras for because a lot of people come to us and we have increased that number due to the fact that they really enjoy our product, and told other friends about us, but we do roasters. So per the county, there is no regulation as to number of hogs.

So if one person has a hog on their farm, they conditional use. As to, responding on the dead found on the roads and the garbage cans, we have, DAR Pro that comes out and has since the very beginning, because we are required under USDA to remove our animals. Per ag, we are not required to remove our animals. If we so choose, we can bury those animals on property. We choose to take our sows that weigh 300 to 400 pounds, and I literally cut them up to fit in a garbage can so that DarPro can take them away.

We have record of pickups every week. So DARPO is out there every week. Not only that, but we're under inspection Monday through Friday. So we're constantly being inspected by the US Department of Agriculture. They're out there for all of our processing, all of our slaughter.

And they will shut us down if the smell of the the dead animal or our our gut cooler is if if they walk next to it and it is too strong for them, they can choose to shut us down.

Absolutely.

So it's it's that bad.

We have

to follow their their We strict regulations on have it kept in a cooler, in garbage cans, and I'm willing to show any pictures that you guys are, you know, wanting to see or farm tours or whatever, we do not leave our animals, out in the back. We do cut them up, and they do go in a gut cooler, and they do go to Darpro. And just for a bit of information, us women who wear makeup, that's what they make out of it. So they're not finding stuff in the garbage cans, and they are not finding stuff on the driveway. If it is our baby pigs, we did have an issue there for a while that we had right about COVID, we had probably about 200 birds in the trees that were coming down, and they were killing our babies.

And they would come down, they'd drop them, and they'd take them off, and then they would eat them someplace else. I I can't control the birds coming in and killing our animals, but I can control we had USDA come out and spend some of their funds to help save our animals, and so they actually had a sharpshooter come out and take care of, some of those birds to keep them keep them away from our animals so that they would no longer come and kill our animals. As to the increase of dogs on the, properties, those dogs roam constantly. They've been there since the moment we bought our property, and they rove. They actually stay away from our property because of the boar smell.

Our boars, they do not bring in, wild hogs. They will not come near our property because of the boars. The wild dogs do not come near our property, they will come around our property, but they will not come to our property. And we actually saved, one of our neighbors' calves because the dogs were over there and we let them know that they were over there. Due to the Right to Farm Act, as long as a farm is established for one year, which we have been, we are under the Right to Farm animals on their property, we've had more of their cows over on our property and have returned them than we have ever had a pig go on their property.

Pigs are

a herding herding animal, so they don't just take off on their own.

If they get out, they will stay near home, and we have our entire area gated and double gated. So the chances of them actually getting out and we're redoing all of our pens right now to help things become easier for us and help to mitigate those chances of causing extra inconveniences to our neighbors. But we have never had an issue of any hogs going over to that side of the property. They have gone one time over to, our neighbor on Glenside, which is the west side of the property, not their east side of the property. As to flies, we talked before, we have done a huge, job of mitigating the fly issue.

As to, like I said, the cattle, as far as I know, if they aren't doing anything for their cows, their cows can also produce, feces and they can also bring flies. So, we are doing our job, definitely with the flies because we did know that this was a problem and we have mitigated it significantly. As to the smell, we are willing to take an air quality test, it also just like, miss Marsh was saying, that it depends on how the wind is blowing, which direction it's going, and the fact that, the previous owners of the property did not have a single tree on the property, does not break up any of the wind flow. Since then, we have put trees on our property. It does not completely take away the breeze, But we had no trees on our property, so it does not help, obviously, with the movement of the wind.

For the statement of intensity of the smell, you're more than welcome to come to the farm. Farm is open to the public. It's always been open to the public. And we've had multiple neighbors, not only neighbors that are prior owners of the property, but neighbors that basically have border our property that will contest that there is no smell of the magnitude that they're trying to claim or anybody's making claim to try to claim. I think you sir, mister Bailey said you went down that driveway. I mean

I I stopped. I didn't go down the dirt road, though.

But from where you were, could you smell so compared to a Midwest farm that are housed in big barns and everything that you can smell from miles away, in your experience, when you came down that road, did you smell

I was I came down Carter Jones Road.

Okay.

I didn't drive down your road because

it

was not a paved road. And I didn't, you know, unless I invited, I would not drive down somebody's private road. At the time, no, there there was. But there, when I got out to check the sign, there was an odor. And I am sure that is from the traveling and whatever that comes from the farm, it is there in that dirt. But this is a tough one for me because I went through

this Wait a minute. Our goal is for them to finish the process. Sorry. Okay.

And also then, are you our farm being under USDA, like you were stating earlier, missus Owens, besides USDA, who is on our farm for the slaughter and the processing, that's no less than three to five days a week, and that is a regulatory from seven in the morning till 03:30 every day. Then we have the USDA who monitors our animals. If you were to monitor us also, I welcome, you know, any of the government, people to come down and, if there's any complaints or if there's any kind of checkups, they're willing to I mean, you can come all the time. We we really work hard, like mister Banks was saying, to do the best that we can to make sure that we are well within, and beyond to make sure that we are doing everything, to a tee. And then last, just not that the CUP deals with the agritourism side of things, like Ms.

Marsh was, educating us on, but that agritourism, yes, we have had, farm movies on our property, but according to the agritourism, law, we are allowed to have events. We try to be very decent with our neighbors about the noise. We have neighbors across the water and water carries. The sound from shooting they they have a gun range over at their property. They shoot guns.

They do karaoke nights. So they have, music traveling. We pick certain nights that we're doing. The the movie nights, which is usually on the weekends, which is Fridays or Saturdays. And then any other type of agritourism that we do are, like I said, it's for education, FFAs, four h. We do the homeschooler groups. We do local families who want to come out and find out where their meat is coming from and teach their kids. And then we also we do know that one of our first events that we did have, it was a larger number, but we contacted the county. We let them know, first of all, that we were going to be having this event.

Good. Wrap up.

Yes. This is the final. And so it's very important to us to let the county know what we're doing, when we're doing it, and if it we expect larger numbers, that we will cover it with police, fire, all of that kind of

contact with the sheriff's department. Sheriff's department's always said whether or not, you know, they we needed to pay for a sheriff to be on-site or anything like that. There's never been an issue.

But we do not have numbers that large. So thank you guys for your time. We appreciate all of your questions, and hopefully we were able to answer anything that you had.

You're not playing Babe or Charlotte's Web, are you?

No. Oh, Charlotte's Web. That one might be fun. Okay. All right. So at the moment, do we want to have board discussion about this item before we move into motion or do we want to take motion and then move into board discussion? Yes, thank you.

I think proper is a motion before discussion.

Does anyone seek to make a motion on this conditional use permit? I move to approve. Is there a second? Second

for discussion.

Okay, so let's go into discussion. Who would like to begin? Ma'am, you like to begin? Sure. Left Hooray.

This is a hard one for me as well. I respect the rights of the homeowners and I respect the right of the farm owners. I guess for me, my first thought would be is there anything else that could be done for the smell that we haven't done? For me, the ideal thing would be if both parties people could build their homes and raise their families and you could be left to, you know, run your farm. So, guess that's my concern. Is there anything, the staff or anyone know anything else that could be done to perhaps eliminate some of these smell?

It's I mean, from what staff has told us today, it sounds like there's there's I mean, there's no way to regulate it for one, but also, it's an agricultural activity. The Right to Farm Act is in place. There's nothing in our code that stipulates that you can't have a smelly farm. I would imagine that any cattle grazing in this area, that there's also odors emitted from that. Any chickens that are operating in this area, anybody who has coops, those are obviously emitting odor. Anybody who has goats or sheep or any other livestock is gonna emit smell no different than, I mean, goodness gracious, even citrus groves smell sometimes.

Yeah. You know, as a board, I think you're darned if you do and you're darned if you don't. There's a reason that farmers are closing their businesses and selling them to developers because of overregulation. And then we wonder why we're not growing food in our own country. So I grew up in a very large agricultural area with dairy cows, and my aunt and uncle owned a chicken ranch.

So flies came with a tear. The nearest dairy farm was probably nine miles away, and during summer when the wind blew south, we got the flies and we got the smell. But when I go home now, those dairy farms are gone, and there's nothing but rooftops. So when we have farmers that are willing to really make a deep investment into providing that food source for a community that's locally raised, locally slaughtered, there's something to be said for that. In fact, The United States hardly owns any pig farms at all.

They're breeding them here, but they're breeding and processing and going over to China who owns all of our pig farms. So the fact that we have somebody here that's local that's giving us great natural quality product, I know that comes with a downside. I've been there. I've lived it. It stinks. The flies are terrible. But when I look at the flies and I look at houses, I'd rather see a fly. That's why I'm going to support this motion.

It was in my district, it's in District 2, the Groveland area, Mascot area, a lot of homes there. And we had this problem once before in Mascot with the chickens. And those people had it really rough for a long time, and I was trying to remember how it ever got it regulated. Am not sure they did. And it is a tough one. I understand the the need need for for agriculture. Agriculture. I I had had a cattle farm. But I can't imagine what these people must endure. The smell like that when it's that bad, sort of agree with Ms.

Manning down there, that when the smell is this bad, I don't know how people survive. So it's just a tough one for us. I wish there was more we could do as far as regulating it, and with inspections, and maybe get you have to or have the Department of Agriculture involved, right? So, but I don't know. It's just a tough one. I can't imagine them having to put up with this, so I am going to vote no.

Okay.

My only thought is I did like the idea of asking code enforcement to do an additional inspection annually. I think that would help both keep the community feeling like there's folks out there keeping eyes on things from the county side, but also kind of then goes hand in hand with the fact that they've already got the USDA out there multiple times a week anyways. I appreciate the smell issue. I really do. This land, this whole area is in the Green Swamp, it's in the rural protection area, it is ag everywhere out there.

I understand there are going to be odors when you're out in agricultural lands, but that kinda goes with the territory as you were describing. I think there are a lot of folks out there who wanna farm and they wanna have their farming operation and if we keep suppressing that, that prohibits them from being able to do what they wanna do. Even if this were horses or cows or chickens or goats or sheep or anything else, we would have odors and smells coming from them no differently than we do with hogs and pigs. It may be slightly higher in certain times of the year here, they were describing that there's not a lot of trees on the property. I think tree planting planting would probably help.

It would also help absorb some of the moisture in the soil when you get so much rain. So anything that they can do like that to mitigate for how much, you know, water sits and pools and ponds on the property, which probably contributes to the smell, but also as wind shift, it's really difficult to say the smells are coming from their farm. It could be somebody else irresponsibly operating a cattle farm or irresponsibly operating chicken coops or having goats that aren't being properly tended to. So it's really hard to pinpoint exactly where a smell is coming from when it's ag land everywhere and it's in the green swamp so it's already swampy and wet most of the time. So for me I think the added code enforcement inspection maybe twice annually as opposed to once would be incredibly beneficial.

The applicant has already stated they are happy for as many inspections as need to occur for those to occur so I feel like that's probably not an over reach on our part but other than the processing this the processing is not what smells. It's the pigs themselves and they're not going anywhere even if you deny this conditional use permit. The pigs are still gonna be there they just move their processing operation off-site because we just heard that from the county staff they can have the hogs there they can breed the hogs there that is all part of what they're allowed to have the only condition we're dealing with is processing and sales of the processed product. So that's what this conditional use permit is doing denying it does not make their hog farm go away all it does is stop them from processing and selling packaged product. Melanie can please correct me if I am wrong on that.

No I believe that's correct.

Okay so they would still be able to operate their hog farm just as they are but without prop excuse me folks. No no no we've already heard from the public we've heard from the applicant this is board discussion we're coming to our conclusion. So if they can still operate the breeding they just can't do slaughtering process and finished product sale, we're not solving anything by saying they can't do that part, all we're doing is forcing them to now go buy another piece of property somewhere or rent land somewhere to move their processing and finished product sales operation to. It would still all their hogs on their property right where they are right now, it's just then they would have semi trucks coming in there to pick up hogs to take them off-site to go be processed, packaged, and sold elsewhere and then that actually is going to create more traffic on the road anyways to bring the hogs in and out. So that's where I would think it's a little we're kinda missing the mark if we're thinking the smell is coming from what they're asking for right now because that's not really what's generating the smell Otherwise, the USDA would have shut it down as they described.

That's my position on it. I would be okay approving this with the added with one additional inspection per year. I could be persuaded to go up to quarterly if that would satisfy others on the board. But other than that, I think we need to stay focused on what the actual topic is, which is slaughtering processing and the sale of packaged product.

I mean, I don't think the quarterly inspections are necessary because the USDA is out there so often for food and health safety issues. I don't want to overburden our staff that are that have, like, legitimate other business. Luckily, we'll have a point of contact. We've got oversight through the code enforcement. But I just don't want to put more on their plate if it's not necessary. They'll come if called.

Anyone else think of conditions that we might add alleviate issues or maybe put some additional sort of protections in place? Okay. Would anybody be willing to amend their motion to include an additional inspection? Or do we want to leave the motion as it stands?

I'm fine with amending it, if that's the

If that's the board's pleasure.

That sounds like the general consensus.

Okay. So why don't I just do a friendly amendment to include an additional inspection? So Second. Biannual? Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Is there any more need for discussion? Okay. All those in favor of the motion as described with the additional annual inspection signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposing sign.

No.

Okay. We have four to one. Motion passes. All right. So then we will now be moving on to Tab eight.

Good morning. For the record, Leslie Ragan, senior planner with the office of planning and zoning. I will be presenting tab number eight, case number PZ2025Dash64, otherwise known as the Roop Naren property. The applicant is requesting a rezone from urban residential r six to agricultural to facilitate general agricultural uses on the property. The applicant is specifically asking for the grazing and feeding of livestock on the property.

The subject property is located at 15525 Villa City Road in the unincorporated Groveland area and contains approximately 6.17 acres. The subject property is currently designated with an urban medium density future land use category and, as mentioned before zoned urban residential. The application proposes general agricultural uses and the applicant has provided a project narrative which purports the proposed development program is not anticipated to impact levels of service. That is mostly because the applicant is not suggesting any changes on the property. Existing is a single family dwelling unit as well as a livestock a livestock barn.

I have some. Okay. Alright. I'll continue, and then I'll I'll get this as the slideshow gets corrected. The property is located within the city of Groveland Groveland ISBA.

We did receive a letter of support that's in your pocket as well as on one of the screens here. They are providing their support to this proposed rezoning stating the consistency with some of their goals as well. Staff does find this rezone request consistent with the land use development regulations as well as the comprehensive plan. I'll stand for any questions the applicant is also here to answer any specific questions you may have.

Thank you and we don't have any speaker cards on this item does anyone have any questions for staff? Okay would would the applicant like to speak on behalf of their application or present any additional information?

They did state to me that they will come up and answer questions if need be. They didn't have anything.

Does anyone have any questions of the applicant?

This is a downgrade

from zoning. It's a down zoning. Okay. If that's the situation, then I would entertain a motion.

Move to

approve. Second. Alright. We have a motion and a second. Is there any need for discussion?

Alright. I will go ahead and call for a vote. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed same sign. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. And then just to clarify tabs nine and ten, which are the Hartle Hills apartment, future land use, and rezoning have been postponed, which were the last two items listed on our agenda. Is there any other business?

No other business. Thank you so much. Our next is on August 6.

Wonderful. Thank you everyone. We are adjourned.