E911 Authority - Regular Meeting

when the meeting started record button. Um, so I'm really sorry guys. So just to note for the record, I forgot to hit the recording button. Um, Wilson, we can talk later. Um, that is a deep error on my end and I apologize. You're working too much. Just with that also, you know, I get it and I understand there was um Martha just brought up an active car theft yesterday and it peed off of Forest Seasons. It was at 405 Harrison. Mhm.

That's what I'm trying to get done and trying to complete, but I'm having to wait on people also. I don't I don't know how to get into the system and to fix GIS, but I do have people that are fixing it. And I I apologize for that, you know, but I'm working on it. Chief, I'm a little confused. Do you want her to supervise or do you want her to concentrate on things like this? That's two separate things. This seems like a larger issue than supervision establishing priorities. No, no, no. I'm saying if we're saying this is a GIS issue, this is a much larger issue than supervision. So, do you want her to concentrate on things like this or do you want her to supervise? That was going to be my question. Am I

That's two completely separate things. If you're asking her to supervise, she can't worry about things like this. is a large system issue that Paula alone cannot do. Right. Well, just give us an explanation. If the board needs to focus on a GIS, she doesn't have one. She's trying to figure it out. She needs help in figuring out this large GIS issue. That's a full systemwide issue, right? If she's worrying about this, she's going to have a hard time supervising. If she's supervising, she's gonna have a hard time working on this. You know, this is a large issue that we need to help with is what it's sounding like to me. How do we address it though? Okay. What's what's what's the solution? We need to create a task force like we have with other other projects that if if we're saying that officer safety,

first responder safety, everything else, this becomes one of our projects that we need to help out on, we need to create a task force to work on this. And when it comes to GPS coordinates, what do we have a database? cuz I I just used the internet and there were three or four different websites that I went to and pushed these and entered these GPS coordinates in and two of them were more accurate than the others.

Exactly. We need to depend on our GIS system with the county. Okay. And to get that we barely got a GIS person maybe 6 weeks ago, something like that for the county. That's who I went to. I had them connected with Motorola to get this stuff done. How they work and how fast they work. I can't tell them. You got to have this done by this time or whatever. What do you mean? Because it's for the county. It's the county employee. It's not my employee. Most most dispatch centers have a radio person, have a GIS person. Very critical in dispatching.

It's very critical, but we're not large enough. You said how long how long did this new GIS person came on? Like maybe six weeks ago. And I met with her like the second week she was here. Okay. Um is there a way that maybe one of us can get with her and make this a priority because it's life safety and uh their first priority. We need to know these things that are that prioritization. I think I I sent you guys on the weekly thing about that I did meet with him and that was a priority for me. And how how long ago was that though? How long ago did you meet with her? Like a month ago,

three weeks ago with her model, I could send out you guys the email that I have the chain with them and to show you know that they're working together or they're going to start working together. So that person's trying to get their feet to meet them and yes, you know, they're they're getting inundated with a bunch of stuff. So, uh maybe it's just a followup from you and then maybe one of us to follow up, make sure that this is a a a number one priority. I I totally agree with you, Chief, that that this is uh very important. We need to be able to know where we're going. And I know that this these are not the only instances where uh the address was wrong. We as an engine company have gone totally. Yeah. Yeah. There's been several

elsewhere. Yeah. Again, if the dispatchers don't have the correct information and equipment to be able to do this, then that's something that we need to take on as a project for us and be able to assist on this until we have a director that can take all this home. Let me ask a question though real quick on on the address thing. If if we're unsure of the address, then why are we being dispatched to a specific address instead of being advised that this is just a ping? It could be anywhere on the 100 block of whatever. Um, that seems to be an issue that we can address right now. To be honest with you, I I saw this. Martha's here. She can She It was your call, right? Yeah. For that thing as to what happened cuz Oh, I mean, I don't want to miss speak. Mhm.

Of as I wasn't there. It happened at night and and let's stay away from specifics. What you what sheriff's talking about is in generality there needs to be a policy on if there's not a specific I shouldn't say policy I apologize we'll stay away from policy um there needs to be a procedure on if there's no specific address what do we do right and that's that's what you're saying right we'll stay and this is a supervisory aspect that we're talking about there okay we talked about the director situation now this is a supervisory aspect of if we're getting the wrong address it should be identified that we're doing that now. How do you fix it?

And I have we have addressed that and they know as soon as they know that it may be possible address that they communicate and communication is one of my top priorities. The communication radio communication with law enforcement is horrible. It's horrible. In what way? Articulate that they don't call in route. They don't call on scene. They we think they're in one place. They never tell us that they've gone to another place. We are trying to find these things out all the time. Have you brought that up with Not with chief, but I have with sheriff because I haven't met with with

So that's not a sheriff's issue. That's a specific department issue, right? So that's not a board thing. Then that's hey, we need you to go to chief talca and say, hey, I'm having these issues with your officers. Have you done that at all? No, we had scheduled an appointment with um Pearl and them and they were going to involve you in on it to meet every other week. And you need to give me specific instance when you do that because I'm not hearing that on the radio. And yeah, and I have asked them to do that for me also cuz I can't be here 24/7.

No, no, no, no. But that's an issue. Your dispatcher should be sending you emails when they're having issues. you can be sending an email to Gala or me or Dan or whoever with those specific things, right? Again, that's that's a separate from a board issue. If you're having specific department issues, if my ambulances aren't doing it correctly, then I would love an email about what I can do so I can talk to them, right? So, these issues that you're talking about with officers, if Chief Rock doesn't know that directly, right, then he can't do anything about it. Exactly. Can we get back to the um Yes. Yeah. Did you have Yeah. Yeah. A couple more items. Um when this man called back. Yeah.

When he they hung up, I called back. He did not know the address. They were not they don't live here. Had no idea. It was pinging at that address. And when I finally sent a picture via text of the house of where it was pinged at and it was in an alleyway, I believe, of some sort. Right. So that's how you found it. But they did not give me address because they did not know where they were. And then they said somebody was staying in the basement. So, and if they hang up, I can only relay the information I receive. If they tell me they don't know where they're at, I go by, right? Cuz it looks like the officers made contact with people in the basement.

They did because um I gave them the phone number because they were answering my questions on the phone. So, I believe Sparks said, "Well, I'm going to keep trying to call So he himself continued and tried to call and then figured out where they were because they kept hanging up on me which happens. Yep. So I think this is a good conversation for dispatch and PD to kind of take off line cuz I think we're getting into the specifics of trying to fix the specific call, but what we have identified as the overarching issue is the GIS software. You are not getting the responses that you need. if you could send me all the um information you had with Shelby. I have a meeting with Ann every month that's coming up I think soon and I'll talk with Ann and get this as a priority for Shel's monthly.

So that's a process issue but that's a priority to get back.

Uh sometimes it's and I know you're doing this for almost 35 years. I know sometimes these are 911 calls are emotionally charged but it just seems like sometimes critical information is missing. On May 29th, I'm getting ready to go off duty and a dead body call comes out and uh Maria goes, Hansen goes, Estabbon goes. I don't know if it's a murder, if it's a suicide or what. And I I tried to call Hansen, doesn't answer. I I tried to call him on his phone because he's on scene. So, I call dispatch and I say, "Hey, what are the circumstances? Uh what's the age of the person?" "I don't know. All I know is there's a a pulseless nug breather." Do you have any more in it than that? Cuz I need I'm trying to decide if I should go over there or not. That's all the information we had. Um that's kind of rough for us. I wanted more information. I realize sometimes it's difficult to get. Maybe that's the explanation, but I've seen this happen more than once. So my opinion is we need to work harder, do better in getting accurate information. I noticed it with the homicide. I mean, initially and and highly dynamic situation, but initially it sounded like a suicide and within 10 minutes realized that okay, this and it was chaotic. Of course, it was controlled chaos, but uh I've seen it better in previous places I've worked. Quite frankly, we need to do better. uh you know I still struggle with uh when we we generate two different case numbers sometimes three or four different case numbers when let's say the county has a domestic and we go assist them and it used to be the explanation I was giving well okay if the city goes to help them it's going to be an agency assist well all of a sudden

that's changed now I don't know why I haven't got an explanation but it that to me is a policy change there was policy change unless we got an email that I missed. I just want an explanation. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't

the way it was in the past. If let's say Leadville responded to a domestic at Lake Fork. Uh, and I was told that, okay, if we do respond to that, dispatch automatically generates a second case report number, a P incident number that that designates the police department. Uh, my opinion is it all should be under one. And I I venture to say that there's partitions we can put in place for workflow and uh because if for for reports generated by the county, they've got a workflow where the under sheriff has to sign off or the captain on reports. Uh we do that on our side as well. Uh it seems like there's a fear to co-mingle this stuff. Um but it generates confusion for prosecutors when they do. Well, in the past when we would respond to that domestic uh the case incident number that was generated for the city was always under agency assist.

All of a sudden that's changed apparently. It's the CAD and I don't know I can't change CAD. That's the system. That's how it's how it's done. That's what we bought. That's flex now. It's Lex. That's that's not us. Well, so so Flex I mean in the past it would always be generated as agency assist. Now it's no longer it. It is. It's not it. We can't because you in eforce that was a thing. But that was a thing with flex up until like two weeks ago. Can I interject? Yes.

It's because of the way you sign off of the call. If you tell us clear, we we say we think, okay, he's clear the report. If you want, there is a section that that allows you to clear it as as what you want, a followup, a follow up, whatever. Yeah. But we we can't guess that for you. You need to tell us that clear I I need an agency assist report but it will still generate under the P case and you will get a P number. We can't we can't assign you the S number and there's been glitches also

when I realize that but I I guess I'm not expressing myself clearly enough. It used to be done one way. We'd get we would we would it would be an agency assist for us going to that domestic. Now all of a sudden it's categorized as a domestic for us too.

You have to change it. And I did speak with with um if Joanna would would jump on the meetings that we have every other week and they would know these things. Um is what they cat told us flex what they told us is that you have to change it not us. When you go in there you have to change it to agency. Isn't We don't have loss. We don't change. I tried yesterday. It just seems like the process changed and I I don't know why and nobody's giving me an explanation.

I've never been able to change it like that either. It's all I don't see PD at all whatsoever. But if if the officers were to say I'm clear on agency assist, you could recon section it as clear it as agency assist. But we won't be able to change the type like how he's requesting agency assist. It'll fall under medical, right? And his case won't clear as agency assist. Assign him a case where he can report it and and then that's the only way. But it won't just something would be in the middle. Your officer say whatever. I'm clear ahead. I don't need follow up. I'm clear a

and I feel like let's meet. Let's talk about these things. let's let's get together and with your issues and we could go over all them and we could come up with a game plan and we can get these things covered. Well, that could be part of the uh establishing a priorities. I mean, what I'd like to see is from Fallout is okay, here's my priorities and here they're listed out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Be honest with you and be honest with you. When I come and I talk to law enforcement about anything, I feel I get push back and it's not their issue. It's my issue. I can't fix things if you guys are not willing to work with me. Well, that's how we feel quite frankly.

And it's sort of like when you had said that I had said that they can run their own. That's what the sheriff's office wanted for them everybody to have their own and for them to move to that. I'm sorry I categorized you in that and but we'll get there eventually but we're far from it. And you know and I need to meet with you, you know, individually and stuff like that, but that was the goal of the sheriff's office to do that. Should it be the same with both agencies? I don't know. I'm not in charge of to decipher if you

No, let me let me since you're bringing our office up that we we're requesting access for that to have the ability to do that. What the chief is saying is that's not our priority anymore. And if and what he's feeling is that's going that direction, but that's just what we want to do all the time. Forget that duty and dispatch and that we're doing this as a priority.

So having the ability to do it is different than who's the primary to do those actions. So when you hear those things, come to me and ask me because do you know things get twisted so much. We hear so many things. If I was to comment on everything that we hear all the time, it'd be craziness. And that's, you know, I I don't know either. I don't know what's being said out there or whatever, but maybe I said something or whatever and now it's twisted and now you're you're upset about it. But that's not what I said. I would appreciate if you come to me and let's talk. Let's get this, you know, resolved.

Well, one thing that does concern me is that I heard directly from you involved denying Leadville police officers information from CEUS. If that were to happen, well, stop. Let me finish. All right. I've dealt with these issues. Uh Sie makes these threats, but they're easy to work with. I told you we are sieges compliant. If we got to a point where my officers were being denied clearances, I would blow a gasket. But that's not what I'm saying. That's not what you said.

No, not a clearance. Information that is printed out because we have to disseminate information correctly to people. I was told that your officers are not sieges compliant and they have not taken the security role processes to access it themselves. No, anybody who gets sieges information has to take the sieges training. They have to

to get it. That's what CJ says. That's FBI. That's not me. Well, these are challenges that agencies are facing across the country. But the bottom line is officers need that information. They're entitled to it. And I get it. And you know what? Patrol is is getting those. I you know, I'll help you. I'll I'll show you how to get that. It's very easy. I could walk you through it to be compliant. We could get you compliant in a day cuz there's another officer safety issue. If information gets withheld from officers that jeopardizes their safety, I'm talking about paper, which you guys still get. Correct. You picked up paperwork yesterday, correct?

I would never deny you anything or tell you you can't have it. I want you to be aware of things that I have to follow under dispatch that are not by me. It's CBI and FBI. It's not me. when a lot of these issues are and here we have two former state troopers. They're fully aware of completely what information we're allowed and are able to access. I think the other shark knows a lot means that and I think that's why he has encouraged his patrol people to come in and get those things. So let's get back to priorities about so you wanted to come up with a list of priorities. How many do you want to come up with? Half dozen month six by when?

Next meeting. Next. So next month. Yep. Be next month's meeting. Correct. Six priorities. We do have to move that date around a little bit. By next month's meeting. And that's we won't put a specific date on that. By by July meeting. Yes. Just so there's specifics on that, right? That she that she's able to but not have it have anything relate to director. Yeah. Six supervisor priorities. Yeah, exactly. Yours. Yeah. And they have to align with your job responsibilities which all of us have a copy of or uh job description under duties and responsibilities.

Then can I add a small request to that then? Can we get just top three pressing issues? So like the GIS stuff, the top three pressing issues. So if that's thinking of the GIS stuff because we we decided that's not a supervisor responsibility, right? That's something that we need to help push. Well, it's a process. We're asking her to make she needs our help. Um so if we're asking you to make priorities for supervisory stuff, can we also just get three projects that the board can help you with that are top three projects for dispatch? That's good. Does that make sense? That's good. Yeah. And it's okay that they are direct. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Now that should be things that things that that's what we're trying to remove from can't handle

or you know too too big of a project can't handle supervisor or director level things like that. Yes. You probably have a dozen of those but yeah we're just asking for like the top three top three. I can tell you that right now. Policy GIS and getting our radios. Sure. That's That's my top three right there because our radios, we're having to go in and um reset them all the time. Our radios are the second you can't always we can't do it. We can't get the radios or whatever. But and is that a motor issue

with the the back home getting it implemented? And that is another thing that I want to let you guys know also is because the radios are end of life in five years. I've asked for a quote to see what the extra would be to get on the axis because why are we getting Yeah, they're going to stop selling them. No, we do have to do a mandatory. We we already budgeted for that in a long range plan. It's already a part of our plan. It's been covered. We have to do a mandatory upgrade the state of

So I think also like breaking down policy, right? Like that's a pretty broad term. So breaking that down a little bit would be helpful. Okay. Break down. Yeah. If you stop a little bit break down, right? Crazy, but okay. Anything else? Nope. Jeremiah. Uh, we can move on. Paul unless you have anything else. No, I you know I love the feedback. Okay.

And you know to make I want to be there you know for that and to for us to be better and for us to like I said to be that top thing you know and it discourages me that you feel that we can't do those things but it's also a challenge to me. and I appreciate that. I would like to make a suggestion to the board. Um, and I think this reflects back on kind of what I'm seeing through exercises and other things through emergency management. Um, yes, we cannot meet as a group, right? But we are also heads of our agency. Um, I would request that we each schedule one monthly with Paula. I agree.

We were going through like I would very much appreciate that. I don't want it to overwhelm you, but that's a great idea. I would also, cuz I'm feeling feisty today. Um, I would also suggest you guys do those inter agencies with yourselves as well if you guys don't have them already, which I'm not that will help you between issues and board issues, right? Like a board issues. Yeah. The sheriff had formally seen a lot of Oh, yeah. the water informally. Yeah. But I need to communicate more with Chief Dan and Jeremiah.

Anything else, guys? Okay. One of the one of the things that I that we we do as an agency, and I don't know if you all want to do that, is we do ride alongs. Um Hunter, you're getting ready to do a ride along with us or you just got done doing one. No, next week. Yeah. Yeah. We're setting her up with one with us. Also, just I just want to just sit with me and answer emails all day long. But no, yes, despite my joke. Yes, I do. That would be helpful. Good progress.

All right. Um we'll move on from that and Wilson if uh maybe you can guide us through on exactly how to do this. There were two items uh for executive session. Uh we just discussed one in open meeting and the second one was and the possible recruitment of an interimm director. Still like to go into executive session for that. Uh do we just remain on item three, Wilson, and and go through the verbiage on exactly uh what needs to be said to go into executive session for that second item? Sorry, I was just double-checking the agenda. I think that the notice on the agenda just described the e session or oh no, and the possible recruitment of an interim director. Um yes. So if you did want to proceed to that discussion in executive session, you can you can do that. Um I think as I mentioned to you all, I have a hard stop at 12. Um so I will have to kind of drop off, but you can still have that discussion um in e session if you want to.

Okay. Yeah, if you can. Yeah. Okay. So um well, before we go into that, we'll take a break. Um, Wilson, should we just close this out so we can end the recording and then uh come back in? Can I do a breakout room? So, yes. Yes, you can do a breakout room. And I would suggest that maybe just to keep things simple, you just uh move the e session to the end and do like the rest of the open meeting and then that way you can go into the e session and you can just adjourn when the e session is done.

Okay, that that'd be great. I think that was flow better, too. But, uh, can we take a p a quick pause for a rest break? He's good with that. And so, I'm I'm going to drop off now, but if there are any questions that come out of the e session, I'd be happy to answer them. Yeah. Wilson, can we get a call scheduled? I don't know if you heard I forgot to record the meeting at the beginning until about halfway through. So, if we could get Okay. Yeah. Uh, we'll um I'll I'll look for an email from you maybe later today and we can figure out something next week. All right. Thanks, Wilson. Yep. Take care. Bye.

Uh, for those of us online, I'm just going to mute and stop the video, but I'm not going to stop the recording.

Are we good? Ready to reinate? And I'm really I cannot like I know the optics of that. It truly was just me forgetting to press record. Like I hope you guys know that it was No worries. Truly me forgetting to press record. No, it's actually better than I already did before that because of that,

right? Okay. So, what we're going to do is move on to item four then um and have a uh so initiate item four discussion and consideration u appointment of interim 911 director led by the chief. Um just want to acknowledge this is out of order from having the executive session conversation prior to um so just general conversation uh is what I feel is necessary at this point.

Sounds good. Ch. Well, I know like when there was the vacancy for the chief's position, they found an interim and we're all we're all spread thin. That and that's part of the problem we're facing here is we're uh quite frankly, we're all overworked. The citizens need us. We can't turn the lights off at 9:00 at night. Uh so should we consider consider appointing an interim director uh to assist with a lot of this? Um is there a viable qualified candidate? Um now I mean any one of us we we could appoint probably any one of the board members but we don't have the capacity.

No. So are there. So you don't want it. Oh you're funny. The hospital just recovered. He's stupid now. So, should we consider trying to find another local viable candidate uh who isn't overwhelmed right now? We can certainly consider it. Are there options in mind?

I one I was thinking was the under sheriff. I mean, uh we dispatch moved away from law enforcement, but I I believe he has the capacity. I have no doubt he's qualified. Uh but just a placekeeper. I'm not saying somebody to make big changes, but maybe temporary policies. And and in my world, uh supervisors are sergeants, corporals are sergeants, they don't make policy. Executives make policy. Lieutenants, captains, chiefs, chiefs and sheriffs, boards make policy. And that may be different in I mean in other disciplines at all you are in but in the discipline I'm in

uh that's how it works. But just a placekeeper uh somebody to assume some of the duties and responsibilities cuz I think Paul is overwhelmed. I think she's trying to do too much. I agree. I think we What does that look like? Does the does the under sheriff come out as under sheriff and go in as director? No. Because then we run the risk of the same thing of him getting spread way too thin as under sheriff because the sheriff's department's generally under staff. He'd be something right now. And I mean he's almost a road deputy right now, is he not? Um

yeah, there's there's Yeah, there's definitely capacity issues. So if he's under sheriff and trying to be on the road and trying to be one director, my worry is that we run into the same exact thing where he's spread way too thin and there has to be a priority somewhere and of course the sheriff's priority is going to be the sheriff's department as it should be and not the director. Um, so that would be my main concerns that we're just doing the same thing with somebody else. And I I think the optics of that would not be good considering the fact it was under the sheriff's department and then we form this authority board for it not to be under the sheriff's department, but then we take the under sheriff and throw them in the director's position.

Correct. Dispatchers like the sheriff's department is not your supervisors. The board is it's the one thing. It's it's because it's going to muddy it all up. becomes very confusing where it makes practical sense though be playing the devil's advocate. I mean law enforcement is the largest user of the the system only user in the system. We're not the only I understand. Yes. I think there was another person that we could possibly recruit. I'd be all a little bit for that discussion, but I I highly disagree with you.

Or someone or someone who is sorry I had to say it was someone who job was solely going to be for a while. I'd be fine with that, but trying to run two positions, high level position. I wonder if Jackie would have a a suggestion for Russ. I would rather funnel the money into a contractor in KRW an interm because we would have to compensate the under sheriff. Agree. And I want I mean Jackie, so you're talking about this the consultant from 911 Solutions. If she had any suggestions on somebody that could be an interim

Yes. Yes. And I'm also wondering if we could make that a part of the contract for her to function for her company in an interim basis. Is that something they do? I don't like that.

I I wanted to point out that the you know part of the discussion here is like should we just do should we do this yes or no? Um or just continue on the path that we're on now I think is the comparison point. So we have where we're at now is we don't have we have not appointed an director. Um and we and we it's one of the shells that we should do and our current process right now is Paula is is at the highest level within the dispatch center as an employee. And so really just to keep you know um maybe even candidates out of it at this point and we can discuss that too. I'm not saying we shouldn't, but you know to focus on the question of do we just continue to try to hire a permanent director or do we take uh efforts towards interm director. Um and that's that's to me that's the question I'm hearing kind of like maybe yes, maybe no. That's something I think we talk about right now.

Yeah, I'm finally going that direction if there's somebody who has a capability. But I think we're going to run into the same thing where no one really has the capability and we're trying to track down somebody just like we're trying to track down a director. Correct. That I I think it's kind I think we find that person I like the idea and

I think what we have to do is really get maybe get into the weeds a little bit because the um we'll just use this um and just to be clear the under sheriff idea uh was not mine. I have my hesitations because he has so much to do. It presents a it presents a a topic of conversation though because at what point do we decide Paul is too overt we're over two over test a local interim director and that could be anybody you know maybe one of your chiefs or you know you're like no that's they're already busy but what's what is what is our level saying at what point do we decide okay these are two not great options which one weighs just a little outweighs the Um what we're I think today what I'll point out today is I'm seeing what's classically defined as a leadership vacuum situation where we don't have all doesn't have a supervisor and and part of her eagerness is to be like who do I go to for some of these things and it's and it's just by not having that person. We went through a period where we said very similar we where this could be the prior person who's in that in that role where we just say okay we're supposed to appoint somebody you appoint Paul that's a consideration as an interimm director but as we discussed today bill too much we're not getting more important baseline foundational items completed so I think the answer is yes maybe we do try for it but then I think we can have a discussion on what is our comfort level on overtasking people to cover some required duties and maybe even get into the details of what are those exact duties as the interim director and maybe it's not the full list

because by no means would I say okay under sheriff is perfect candidate can say you need to do all these director roles because now all the projects I have him running on are falling to the side which is the exact problem I have with the pointing the last person on deep hall is those other foundational items fall off. So it sounds like we don't think it's a bad idea but there's how do we fill it? So yes for the concept but it presents challenges

and if you don't mind I'll go back to the statement I made earlier that uh I don't want to take credit for these words these are in this is in the IGA is that when we were we were selected to discharge our duties of director in good faith with the care of what an ordinary prudent person in a like position so like position is important there would exercise in similar circumstances. So that's forcing us to really evaluate this situation and make that decision of another shall appointing you part of appointing a director. And which we have not I mean it's been almost I mean it's been what close to two years now

and we have we've not appointed a permanent director for Yes ma'am. Can I say maybe because we can't find the director or whatever, maybe focus a little bit more on another supervisor to help to at least if there's two. Okay, we could take on certain these things that you guys have that are, you know, that it's just not me, right?

We're not a director, but at least another supervisor, you know, to really focus. Okay. Yeah. you focus on this these things right here. I'll focus on these things right here because maybe it's easier to find another supervisor than it is a director. That's a good point that we have a qualified internal candidate. We possibly could. Yes, I believe that we possibly could. And the supervisor position is live on the job site still. Yeah. So, I'd say we are doing that. We're not ignoring that possibility,

you know. I'm just throwing that out there. Just, you know, to help cuz I know the board is also you guys are all busy too and I guess and that was my fault. I was trying to take on too much to help. Is somebody internally going to apply for the supervisory position that's alive right now? Would they qualify? The ones who would qualify right now will probably be Mary and Becca because of their experience. Mhm. Sarah, but she's parttime and she's going back to school. maybe throw that idea out to the positions available. It is live. Yes.

And to be honest with you, I have been and I've been trying to show them what I do and how I do it and all the applications that we use, what goes into it, you know, encouraging them to take these trainings because to be honest, I take trainings all week long. That's a lot of my stuff. if I don't know how to use a system, how can I go out there and show them? So, I'm taking that on for myself that I'm I'm learning all these systems in and out because

you know how else I'm just trying that out. I like the dual supervisor role, but still doesn't take care of our problem of that we need to uh appoint a director as not a director but at least with another supervisor.

I'm I just don't want to get too far off track with this, but I What's it going to take to convince them to apply? I think encouragement. I think that it's not it's not a failing thing that it is something to grow. I've encouraged them all that this could be their career, not only as a supervisor but out as a director. Anything that goes up higher, I'm I'm showing them, hey, these are the classes that you would have to take and stuff like that. You know, I took the supervisory class through Nina. Very beneficial. I would love to go to more classes, but I haven't because you know, well, we just got Becca on, we have Hunter and FTO, and I think now is not the time, but I would love to do those things. Um, I think, you know, it's going to take a little bit of time, but I know they have the concept, they have what needs to get done because they're dispatching every day and they see the the issues that they're not immune to it. end.

Okay, let's uh I know it's it's interesting to have that conversation and encouraging to hear we might have some possible candidates for that position, but I want to stay focused on just the interimm director so we can continue that conversation offline. Um, but I I feel like we have kind of a mutual feelings on on a on a yes if we had somebody's effort to say and and maybe next steps are to gather a list of potentials and that may take reaching out to people um which I'm I'm willing to do. We had a point of contact with Jeff Comm at one point um and and see if there's an outside candidate for Would would we be okay with a part-time part-time position?

Me? Yes. Right. Yeah. Be a bit of a nothing, right? Exactly. And especially if we reduce the list of required items and and going back to Paul's prioritization list and saying we just need you to address these things for us right now. And that could probably be part time, I would imagine. Okay. What are you thinking? What's that? What are you thinking? Oh, just to get feelers out there on whether it's a full-time or a part-time position and create more options. Yeah, create more options. Yeah, I think we'd be flexible on how much time per week for sure. If there's an inter I mean if there's a director somewhere where they have greater capacity because their systems already built right

and they're willing to do part-time work some account somebody recently retired from a large I mean Jeffco Denver whatever you guys good with that? Let's add this to a future agenda item um with with again some more um information collected that way we can take this to a potential decision to pursue somebody.

I don't have enough today to make any sort of consideration. So, we can just table the consideration portion and just call this discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, next time we're going to have Jackie a discussion of those options, but she's going to attend a future meeting anyway. We were talking about that. Yeah. Anything else on that topic, please? Nope.

All right. Uh we'll move on to item five, discussion of the possibility of a Lake County Regional Dispatch Center. Um I wanted to have this discussion in the group today um to talk about just to throw out some potential options. We have a lot of options and there is a lot of concerns brought up. So I'm glad we're having this discussion uh publicly and Paul please do me a favor on this one. Um make sure you're passing this information on. Um, so if the dispatchers are feeling out of touch or out of uh in alignment with what the board is discussing, it's a request that you pass that information on specifically to this one because this was one of their bigger concerns. It seems like I'll start off with this. I I see this as two potentials. Not advocating for one or the other. One is temporary and the other one's permanent. And we're not making that decision today on what direction we're going. Uh, a temporary option is getting with a county that has the capacity to help us with dispatching. As I mentioned earlier, Paul, you and your crew have had no vacancies. You haven't had to shut down the dispatch center. Been here for 3 years. That's been a discussion for 3 years on different time frames. And right now, we haven't had that. But to keep it open, you're working 120 hours in a pay period. So, a quicker solution could be joining another county and requesting their assistance while we focus on some rebuilding efforts. Whatever that looks like, I don't know. I we can discuss that today. The permanent um answer is a contract of some sort. Maybe that's uh or an agreement of some sort with another county to regionalize our dispatch centers indefinitely. That's another option. Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for

one or the other. I'm just saying I look at this discussion as talking about both of those options. Um I'll start off with some discussions we've had with um in relationship to uh JeffcomCom. So Jeffcom is a large a large dispatch center out of Jefferson County. I don't have their total amount of agencies that they dispatch for right now. I do know that the Clare Creek um has recently contracted with Jefferson County's communications center um which I'll just refer to often as Jeffcom and that's who that is. Um they they've been with them for a little over a year now and um and I had uh lunch with the sheriff's this week and sheriff uh Matt Harris was there, Clear Creek Sheriff to to talk about how that's going so far. So their their response was it's going great. There's no issues with dispatching to locations. Um they have their systems built. They're a welloiled machine. Um they have a lot of resources and they took over Clear Creek as if that's just what their job is is to assist other dispatch centers, other communities who who don't have all the resources available. Um it's to me it represented a turnkey operation. I don't know if they'd even consider us. It's just something to talk about. Um I think they could potentially offer a short-term or long-term solution. I'm not sure. Again, we have to have a lot of those uh we have to kick off some of those conversations with them. I just have enough to know that that's a potential option for us. And after talking to the Clear Creek Sheriff, that's what he relayed to me was it's going well. They've been with them for a year. They're still proactive in their presence. And one of the things he brought up to u encourage current staff is that there has to be some current

staff present at our dispatch center to handle local whatever and I don't know what those are exactly. So I do know enough to say that is if we went with them it's not everybody's out of a job that jobs would most likely change. Um and to what the staffing levels are what those position those those job duties are I don't know. Um, we have another, um, discussion happening later on, um, with some of our, uh, other surrounding counties. Um, I did talk to the Park County Sheriff a little bit. He's going to talk to their director to see if they feel comfortable with that, whether it's short-term again or long-term. Uh, we'll have future conversations with the Chaffi County Sheriff who runs the Chaffi County Dispatch Center also. So, what I see right now are those potential options. We either join forces whether it's temporary or long-term with another smaller county and we support each other or we look at a the big machine and and ask if they can take on a smaller county. Um, I feel like from my couple few discussions that I've had with them that the again the bigger machines more turnkey, the smaller county joining forces is is going to take more work and figuring out how do we do this because they're not built to handle it. Neither are we. We haven't experienced that quite yet. Not really looking to get into those details there. Just to be clear, I'm not looking to get into legal matters or cost per call or anything like that. to explain. This is a general discussion on some of those options. Um, so hope I fed enough information to kind of kick off a conversation. What are you guys' thoughts?

Well, I and I want to re-emphasize that uh the there's always jobs for employees. Uh so what I'm saying is let's say this did happen. There's going to nobody's losing their job. they may have other duties in the city or the county. There's going to be job security. Uh because and I've been involved with these discussions in other communities and now I'm going to even though I'm an appointed official, I have the experience as elected official one and one thing I always weighed as an elected official dispatch is expensive. We are spending a lot of money. when I brought our cost for dispatch to my elected officials, there was a lot of concern. Uh so I'm always asking after having worn that elected official hat, can we get the same level of service for a better cost? Uh and that's a discussion this board needs to have because I hear it all the time, my taxes, my taxes, my taxes. Uh and it's only going to get worse. I'd like to add to that point also that Clear Creek Sheriff did say there was a cost savings overall when they joined with JeffcomCom. Um, and then I'm also using our own experience with this regionalized approach to our custody of our local inmates with our contract with Chippy County Jail. It is a cost savings for us, significant if we had to build a jail compared to uh the next 25 years or so. on millions of dollars we're saving. And so when we look at these combined efforts, then we see cost savings. We see the potential for higher pay. Um we see uh just more efficient efficiencies

and systems and staffing levels. So to the the funding side, I we have a couple points there to add in there. I know it's a concept that u most of the state of Colorado of course and Claire you know this uh we're looking at I mean state BLM forest service they're looking at and they're already doing it u joining forces for those joint regional dispatch centers. It's uh just for not only just cost savings but the efficiency of it. you're talking to your partners right next door to yourselves and you're making decisions based on those larger incidents. Um I uh I'm on the fence. I'm on the fence about this one because you know we lose uh local control. We lose um um there's transition challenges. We just put a whole bunch of assets into our dispatch center. Um, which you know those costs would probably go down depending on what that you know annual cost would be over a period of time. Um there's a geographical disconnect um from somebody outside just trying to being like well well where's Saturdays? Um and people are not going to know that. But I mean GIS would probably take care of that. There's some political resistance and then uh then operational uh complexity. Um so we would lose that. But there are a lot of uh pros you know the cost efficiency, the improved technology because those larger dispatch centers may have greater capacity than what we do because they may be more established. you know, we have enhanced

coordination, 247 staffing and then redundancy of multiple staff. Um, and then professionalization, you know, you have more training opportunities. If it's a larger organization, you have more buckets of money going into a system that might be able to support the training aspect and more personnel. So, I you know, I mean, I I said a I think a whole lot more pros than I than I said cons, but um again, uh I I'm I'm more than happy to look at at it at a part-time regional aspect to see like what kind of challenges and complications we're going to see by doing that and then see as we're going through that pathway, how many speed bumps we're actually going to realize that we're getting ourselves into. and uh it may actually give us a roadway to do it full-time. If not, then uh and if we come across things and decisions that we're like, well, you know what, let's pump the brakes and really just focus internally here on what we're really trying to do and that's build an agency here locally because again, my comment earlier is that I know that good things take time and I don't think that we've been or given our dispatch center enough um time yet in order to be able to see whether um we're going to actually flourish the way that we actually truly need to as an agency. I know that we all struggle. Every every agency struggles here with staffing and cost and salary retention and everything. But um I I would like to see us give our dispatch center an actual chance before we make a huge decision on transferring this out for a permanent solution.

I don't think anyone's considered giving up on dispatch as is. At least I thought. No, I'm not saying that.

No, I know. But I think, you know, I think we we need to look at backup ops just in case all of our, you know, all of our systems depend on redundancy and if this ever fails for some reason, if we have dispatchers that have to leave or something happens, whatever it is, this thing fails, we have no backup option right now. That's what I think look at what office we have what is this going to take because it's not as simple as flipping a switch it's there has to be systems in place there has to be we have to waste a page we have to have you know compatible everything and so you know I think we have to look into this whether we do or not is a whole different story but I think we have to look into this and what it would take and how much it would take so that we're aware of what backup options there are and what we have to do to make that happen so like we to look into it regardless and and all options there. But I think yes, best case scenario is that we keep our arm dispatch center and it flourishes and we keep it going for sure. That is absolutely best case scenario.

That's not that's option number one for sure. But right now there is no backup option. We have no backup piece right now. There's there's can take our calls. Yeah, they can't page for us though. Actually GB cannot take our calls. Gi wanted us to um their guard the guard agreement or whatever. We don't have a guard agreement with them anymore. Ji didn't want it. That's what you have signed a guard agreement and they don't want to renew it. Whoa. What? That's what? Yeah. Yeah. Right there. I mean, I'm sorry. I did give it to the sheriff to sign the guard agreement. Chaffy didn't want the guard agreement. That's what allows them to

to look at to get all the you can flip over the switch and they'll get the calls, but they can't do anything else. Like they're not getting our warrants. They're not getting Oh, but they can they can take our 911 calls. They can take a 911 call. Okay. But the way Chaffy does it, they do everything by text because we can't cross lines with radios. We could have we have a Mac channel, but do you know what I mean? But the way they were doing it is that they took the call, they write down everything. They can't create a case number. They just take our 911 and then they were texting our patrol to calls.

So at the core, yeah,

they can do it, right? But it's it's the last time this happened, we don't get a page. They just say things over the radio and somebody has to be right to hear it kind of thing, right? So there's those sorts of issues that we need to figure out. There are ways to do it, but there has to be a telephone line into our 800 system to be able to page 800. Like I was I was talking about this the other day and there has to be specific systems in place for us to be able to page because we can't page 800 right now. So there's just all those things to take into account, right? And there's it's going to cost money. It's going to there's going to be changes. There's going to be all kinds of things. So I think we need to look into the options but I think we need to absolutely try to support the way it is now and what we can do first but we need to know what the backup options are and how we can do it as well.

And I think that was my my my point exactly. If we do it part time or look into at least a part-time situation they'll understand all the complexities. I I just have a question real quick. So looking at this and going part time and that is it because you feel that we're not doing what we have to do there needs to be more training or you're not getting that coverage or is it because we don't have enough people staff yet? Like

Yeah. So I I just kind of want to chime in. I think my response is going to kind of answer your question. my vision for this um I think along like a permanent solution I don't want to get to that point but I do think we need a stop gap to address everything you just said and everything we've talked about today. Um this is something you know sheriff I don't know if I misunderstood you but like yes I'm sure Clear Creek had a turnkey with Jeffco we still have seen this in our smaller regions. Um Park County was dispatching for [ __ ] Creek overnights for a little bit. uh Chaffi County was covering Park at one point. Like we have uh small departments and small dispatch centers that are covering each other across county lines. So we're seeing that in the South Central region already. Um so I don't think it I'm sure there's still hurdles to jump, but I think maybe those hurdles are a little bit reduced. Um especially if we're looking at Parker Tapy, which has done this both for them and for other people. Um, I want to give you guys capacity to fix what we've talked about today, whether that's trainings or sending people to sit alongs or just being able to come into the office and focus on tackling one project or go to meetings. So, if I can shift 5 hours away for a dispatcher where Chaffy or Park is taking our calls and give you guys the capacity to do that, I think that gives us time as sheriff kind of said to f to start to build back up. So, I no, I don't want to see jobs go away. I want to see I want to keep our dispatch staff and I want us to keep recruiting. Um, but I also don't want to see um extravagant amounts of overtime. Um, so if we can kind of set this system up, maybe we can even get into a contract or an agreement of sort where it's like, hey, we have a dispatcher going on vacation. Can we do these hours with this other organization? And we already have that built. and it's more just turning it on rather than struggling to keep our

dispatch center afloat with 120 hours. So that's my vision for it. It's not but like it's to give you guys time and capacity to grow and develop. So I appreciate that you're taking all these trainings that we're putting people through FTO that we're no longer just sitting someone down and say welcome you're a dispatcher now. Um, so I can recognize all that growth, but we have so much more to do and I want to give you guys the breathing room to do that without worrying about the 911 call that's coming in. Um, because we have those handled. That's my vision for it. Um, to give us something kind of along what Jeremiah was saying, when things do go down, we have it all set up and it's turning it on and not figuring it out. Thank you for laying it out that way, Claire.

Yeah, that's perfect. It's yeah it's not because it's you guys are not doing it's you know at one point we were you know unsure we were going to have dispatchers enough to staff 24/7 right you know and we're not at that point now which is great we're improving that's awesome but if we're some reason we ever get back to that there just has to be there has to be a better plan right that's that is it and that's the major thing is we have to be able to provide emergency services to this county and if this is dispensary cannot do that physically cannot do that right now not from lack of training not from lack of Because if he doesn't have the people to be able to do that, we have to have options. So I agree with that. We should always have redundancy and everything. We should always be in the wrong ability. Totally. Yeah.

We should always be there. This is not giving something because I know they're going to ask me. Totally. Yeah. You know answer. Yeah. That's it's not that law. It's supposed to be that has to be done. There has to be

and my understanding when I talked to the Park County Sheriff uh was they went to Chippy for two months and just along this whole topic that example um I like to use the reference the analogy of when I became sheriff uh three years ago. It it was like they dropped me on this ship in the middle of an a raging storm and and the ship is sinking. And so the ideal way to fix that is to dock it, patch it up, throw it back out in the ocean, get back to work. However, we were in the middle of the ocean and we're required to keep chugging along. And I always wish that I had this opportunity to dock the ship and fix it. And but that's impossible. I mean, we had uh Lego Police Department struggling with staffing. We were struggling with staffing. Our other law enforcement agency present in our town, Colorado State Patrol, uh 50% staffing levels. Uh we had nobody to look to. This situation provides us that possibility to do the ship and fix it and to address everything. Just like Claire said, he said it perfectly and I agree with you, Claire, that we need to address all of that that you brought up. And we need better training, we need more staff, we need more time to develop those things. and and so that's so so what I'm gathering is that we do we spend a focus on that temporary solution and that that that provides a lot of things for us one it provides the redundancy so if we get back and we're fully functional again um we have that backup plan with let's say just for this example um that we can say hey we need to flip things over to you know we had whatever come up and

you'll have more time with that this next week I'm meeting with them Tuesday Tuesday yes And so and then and then Jeremiah's also started the conversation with uh Nick. Is it Nick? Yeah, that's way back way back off. He was like, I'll let you guys talk about it. But we have future conversations happening. He's the like the director of JP Countyy's dispatch center. Yeah. However, it's completely underneath the sheriff's office there. So, we're having a conversation starting with the with the sheriff in Chaffy County first. And I just scheduled with Maria, the dispatch supervisor over in Park County. um not as much of a conversation about a contract in terms of questions to ask and pitfalls to look out for because they because they already

because they've done it. Yeah. And she's seen it and she did it for uh Teller. I think it was [ __ ] Creek specifically. So, not a conversation about contracts or anything. Just simply a question of hey, we've done this before. Here are the things you need to consider from her perspective.

And I also want to point out that we we know what we know. Um I I think there's a few of us in this room that have been dispatched through multiple different dispatch centers. Um you know, for us as prior troopers, I don't know, maybe a half dozen to 10 different dispatch centers across the state. I've experienced a lot of different ones. Um I know uh the chief has also even across different states. And so a lot of the concerns that are being brought up I I don't have the answer for, but I know the answer's there. And so I I know it would make everybody feel comfortable some of these obstacles that were brought up. Um the answers there other counties are doing this. Um other states are doing this. Um, as a trooper, I was dispatched out of Craig, out of Montro, um, PBLO, they dispatched me here in Lake County to everything. Um, I never ran into an issue with So, just from user experience, again, I don't have the technical answers that you guys are seeking, and I think those are valid questions, and I'm not saying we shouldn't answer them, but I just know the answers.

Totally. Absolutely. Yeah, it is. It's just how we get done, right? Um, did I you guys feel like Paul, you got any more questions um on that topic? No, I I think just having that job security out there to them would be

I'd be happy to join one of your meetings too to talk on that also to answer those. And and Hunter, I want to point to you out also. I know you brought up a lot of questions. I imagine we didn't answer all of them. I think some of them we just can't answer at this point because we don't know. We don't know. But I hope you understand just like you know one how the how the board has to operate legally and that we're just having this as an initial conversation um and with no fence position or anything along those lines. There's plenty of job security. I just want to take it to them that it's not nothing that they're doing wrong.

I I don't ever want to do that. You know what I mean? And it's an opportunity to grow and to be that standard. I would like to say I think that I came in at like I'm very fortunate for like the training experience that I get to have, but I know that most of the other dispatchers have not gotten.

Correct. Um, I got to spend a full week of doing FEMA training and telecom community training and currently doing the call works training and the Everbridge training that they have available for you to take on how to learn how to create templates, contacts, all of that. I know they have not had that. So, I know that I'm very fortunate in that aspect of like I get to be at the beginning of all of your RISE's training. Um, and I think it's really helped. I get to take time to sit in there with them, learn flex, learn all of these systems. You know, I come from Eagle County where they use the alerts a lot for different various things. So, Everbridge has been really cool for me to learn because then it makes me understand like where they're coming from and that when you really do implement that and everybody has the same kind of communication. Um, I get to go on these ride alongs where I'll get to like see each department how they do that. So, I understand I'm very fortunate in that aspect and I do think that it's like great that you guys are trying to implement that stuff and get that available to the girls who have been here for a while that necessarily didn't get that training when they first start.

Anything else before moving on? What's that? You don't have to.

Um, all right. We'll move on to item six, updates and discussion on current operational operations and topics. Um, and so we'll go through our list here. We talked a lot about this already, but let's make sure we're touching on this in case we missed anything. Chief Daily Training, everything that Hunter said, thank you. Uh, which is great. Uh we're still working on building those training manuals and like the procedural things that go along with those. Uh we've missed a couple of our meetings unfortunately. So we're just going to stay on track with those and see what needs to happen for the additions to those and uh have the consistency across the board of training. That's about all I have. Oh, unless you have I know that you just attended some training.

So, um so Colorado does not have um I would say uh they're getting a standard for training for dispatchers and they have it and the great thing about it is is that the national training standards they got from Colorado. Colorado is the forefront on those training standards for dispatch and uh for APCO Anina and um when you went to that that's what I'm following I'm following those standards to train or the AP APCO standards to train that's what I was trying to you said Colorado does not have standards we are not mandated to have a standard

but we're but we're dictating the national we are I don't know why it's just it's a Colorado I don't know. That's Yeah, it's crazy. Go on the 911 resource. You'll find it all.

Great resource for all this. Um, so those are the standards that I am implementing and having started with Hunter. So, um, that's what we're doing. And I'm finding too that um I am gonna say in dispatch while Mary is helping her. I I just can't fathom. Oh, you're sitting there and I'm dictating or yelling at you what to do. That's craziness to me. So with that, I'm covering dispatch at least for a couple of hours while I'm there while Mary gets to sit with her, take those calls, show her how. And Mary has done that a little bit, right?

So, you know, we are trying to do those things and trying to implement that kind of standard. Just so you guys are aware of that. That's all I have on. Okay. Thank you. I'll move on to 911 staff recruitment retention. Nope. I have Oh, no. I have I have someone coming in next week to come in and test. So, if it goes any further than that, I'm going to have it done. Yes, you will be getting an invite. Test on what? We do a dispatcher's test. Okay.

To see if they'll move forward into the interview process. It's a hiring process. Yes. Okay. anything on the retention bit.

Okay. Uh policy. Talked a lot about that. Yeah. We miss anything. Okay. Moving right along. Project management. Um I think we talked about that quite a bit, too. I just want to make sure that you feel comfortable on who to go to with some of those and I'm going to write this down actually if you guys don't mind give it to me again so I can write this so I am absolutely for sure it's on the agenda everybody okay yeah I don't have the agenda in front of me I'm sorry but it's Jeremiah awesome okay uh oversight and supervision did you have anything to add

no I think that we talk about certain things needs etc when we meet on Wednesdays. So, yeah, I don't have anything and I don't have any like if there's anything that comes out of our meetings, I'll sure reach out to you, but there hasn't been anything out of the ordinary. Yeah, we can try to set up a routine where we're a little better so than um budget. Can I go back to that? Sure, please. So, and I know I shouldn't feel like disorder, but I want to take time off, but then I feel bad because none of the dispatchers are.

So, I kind of, you know, I do I feel bad about that, but I really want to take time off. I I really feel like I need it. Yes, you should take time off that as well. And again, this is something like, you know, come up with a plan where, you know, you take some time off and I guess dispatchers are stuff for them to do, too. But, you know, maybe it can't be three weeks, but right like we can work it out as well. So,

I'm just looking at, you know, a couple of days, you know, around like uh Fourth of July. I have I would like a day off next week, you know, um that I can say, "Hey, you know, I'm going to be gone. Please contact Chief Daily. Contact Sheriff, right? it mean anything. So, just one of those I should have felt guilty, but I feel guilty. No. Yeah. Just give them that. You know, I think I'll what I'll do is address the comment made by Daniela right now with the with the um what happened while you were on vacation and if that came up again, you know, just to to clear the air on that. I was doing my normal checks up there as I do often. and you do

and she just brought up the fact that she ran into an issue she didn't know how to handle and they made a decision and my response was to email you to notify you of that information. It was that simple. It was I know it it blew up into this whole thing about burnout and whatnot and scared to email and people reviewing it. It was to clear the communication. So, I just wanted to clear that up. There was There's no issues. It was just wild to me that it grew that crazy when I just said, "Make sure you notify Paul of what you guys did." It was that simple. Budget.

Um I think actually, sorry, I think there is one thing I want to address. Um I know there's kind of been some confusion on approval of invoices with the county. Um I spoke with county manager Candace Bryan about that. Um we had a good conversation. Um there's just been, I think we can all acknowledge, a lot of changes in the finance um world of Lake County government. All for the better. We're doing a lot of good things there. We're going to have new finance policies approved, a new procedure manual coming out. Um but as we work through those changes, I think those larger ticket items. Um we're just really trying to hammer home. Let's make sure everything is teas are crossed. I almost said eyes are crossed.

So my eyes are crossed. Um, but I think I just want to highlight like if there's um an invoice coming to Sheriff and I, they're just asking for a check just to make sure it is okay. There's just a lot of changes going on and we're just moving through all of that. Um, so it's not I think it's just kind of we can sit down when the final finance policies are approved. Um, but I just want to highlight it's just simply the county just saying, "Hey, we noticed this invoice is for $66,000. Can we just make sure that it's budgeted?" And it's just a final check from Sheriff Orion. And and literally all they're looking for is an email back from one of us saying yes.

Yeah. Which was my confusion, but we put that up behind us. So Okay. I just think it's uh time's running away from us, not just today, but for the calendar year, and we're going to have to put the budget started. Just want to acknowledge that we have to put it on our agenda and uh start working through our 2026 budget soon. It's June and um I don't have anything else to add from the budget standpoint. Okay. Um anything else on

So it begs that begs the question here. So does that mean that we should start going to two meetings a month instead of one? I mean, currently right now because of everything that's on everything we've already made decisions about, they're pretty big topics and not minor. I think we are at a point where we need to look at two meetings a month, if not a meeting and a work session. I was going to say a meeting and a work session. Yeah. Yeah. I like that idea. Let's pursue that. Started off in July. The best month. Yeah. Well, I think it would help avoid some of these marathon meetings, too, after spring.

Probably will for project management. I would really like you guys cuz this is like keeps me up sometimes to look at when we go into construction. I really want that redundancy that if something happens, they cut a wire or whatever, what are we doing? Where are we going? I think you should talk with sheriff. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying with you both. I really want that that we have a plan in place. Something happens, we need to know where to go. What are we doing? What is I think that's a big project. When's construction groundbreaking?

We we don't have an official date or month. It's just early 26 is about as close as I can project right now. should move the priority of uh the part-time regional also. It's yeah up further because of that. Yeah, I'll definitely stay hard on that one. So back up backup plan and I really want that on you guys radar. Yeah, that's a good idea. Good idea.

I'll help in whatever capacity that you guys need. And just to share the little information I have on that right now is uh we are working with them closely the the architects closely to come up with a phased plan um so there aren't an interruption in services but to Paul's point you never know what's going to happen I can clip a wire or something and just close us out but uh dispatch is heavy on our minds in that phasing development.

All right. Anything else with updates and discussions on current topics? All right. So, um by advice of our legal team with Wilson, uh moving the second part of the executive session to the end of the meeting. So, we can dismiss you guys. Appreciate your time. Thank you. And then we don't have anybody with us right now. Now, if anybody tries to join, they'll just enter the waiting room. Okay. Just deny them. Okay. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Paul. Anytime. Thanks, Paul.

Thanks, Patrick, for hanging out with us. Can you close the door? Thank you. He's doing great. I need to read this first before you haven't stopped, right? No. Okay. All right. So, I move to go Whoa. I move to go into an executive session for the discussion of personnel matters under CRS 2464024F. Uh, the employee that the executive session concerns has been advised of the executive session and has indicated that this discussion should not be part of the public meeting. Second.

All in favor? I and I've got my radio on because I'm responsible for calls for service. Okay. You want to switch the recording? It is recording. Oh, we are in executive session recording. Yeah, because we have to we do have to record um and then we have to keep the recording for 60 or 90 days to prove that we didn't do anything in executive session. Okay. I thought there was last time you did this where there was a stop current recording and then opening up a new one. And that's why Wilson advised to do this last going to cut the end off.

Okay. What about closing like the adjournment process? Oh, right. Thank you. Sorry. My brain is obviously Oh, it's okay. Um I'm just going to do I'm acting like I've done a breakout room before. You're convincing me.

Okay. For the record, if any person who participated in the executive session believes that any substantial discussion of any matter not included in the motion to go into executive session occurred during the executive session or that any improper action occurred during the executive session in violation of the open meetings law, I'd ask that you state your concerns for the record. Okay, hearing none, we will close this meeting out. Um, next meeting we want to start twice a month this month. No.

Yes. Um, so so so I I would suggest maybe something later this month, but I just want to highlight that our next meeting is scheduled for July 4th. I have no intention on being here July 4th. Um, so if we we do need to decide on another date for our July meeting, we just push it to July 11th. That's the following Friday. Um, yeah, that looks good. Um, I just resent out that calendar for that one. All right. Thank you. All right. We'll adjourn the meeting. It's uh 157 hours. Thanks everyone. In and out. [Music]