Planning Commission - workshop

Nice to meet you again. On September 8, 2026, we will begin the workshop of the City Planning Committee of the City of Canon Falls. I will call for attendance. Diane Johnson, Novak, Douglas, Anne, Chad Johnson.

Would you like to approve the case? I agree. I request. The case has been approved with the request of Chairman Chad Johnson and Chairman Novak. Is there anyone who agrees? Yes. Is there anyone who disagrees? No. It has been approved. We will move on to just one case. It is a discussion about the Cannonball 2 apartment. Mr. Lee, would you like to start? Yes, I see. Tonight's workshop is prepared to discuss Cannonball 2.

We will review the questions and concerns raised at the City Planning Committee on August 17th. Today's meeting will provide more information and clear explanations to the committee members, and you will have the opportunity to ask questions directly to Andy Bartman of Bartman, who attended today, as well as to Mark Welch of G-Cube. Please refer to it. The meeting will review the main concerns of the previous meeting and point out what should be clearly done, then proceed in the way of providing other documents. These documents are included in the package, and we will have time to receive questions and give a clear answer. We will start right away based on the content provided in the package. Let's take a look at the main concerns raised by the members and residents at the 17th meeting. The first is the location problem of the apartment. In short, this is a private development project. Therefore, it does not play the role of polluting the urban area. We are not the decision-makers of location selection. Therefore, after a while, Andy or Mark will come out and explain why they chose this subordinate and why other subordinates were not Goryeo or were not suitable. We will provide related information to help you understand, but please remind us that this is a private development project. The first Cannonball was owned by EDA, so there seems to have been a little confusion, but this is a completely private business. Therefore, we do not determine the location. The second major concern is that if Cannonball 2 enters, it is a problem with the visibility of the surrounding commercial facilities. One thing I want to emphasize to you is that it is not scientifically guaranteed that it has been abandoned for a long time as an empty land. This land has been empty for a long time. However, it is not impossible to develop it in the current state. This is a B2 area. If it is for use, you can build a building at a height of 35 feet right now. So I really wanted to tell you this. And there was also a story about the green space last time. That was a big issue. Um, the current location is also about 25% of the mountain apartment area. I would like to say that it is scheduled to be used as a green space. Um, the demand conditions for residential areas in Gomil-do are only 20%. Therefore, we are fully compromising the conditions for green space. Currently in Baechido, we plan to install a pet and a pet park, but they are facilities that residents of my apartment actually use a lot. Well, young and old people usually live in apartments. Most of them are not people who use playground facilities. Young people raising pets need space for pets. Please refer to this as well. There are fewer concerns about playground facilities, and it is known that the experience-based furniture and pet park will be much more useful for current apartment residents. Um, and I would like to clarify a few of the opinions that came out of the last meeting. Yes, so I included the Canon Ball 1 meeting log in the data I gave you, to show you the amount and type difference of opinions from Canon Ball 1 and Canon Ball 2. Yes, I remember August 3, 2021, and at the time of the Canon Ball 1 meeting, 9 individuals spoke at one meeting several times. Yes, and at the other meeting above the Canon Ball 1, 5 people from the public assembly spoke. As you all know, only two people have spoken about this apartment gun. So I want to emphasize the difference. I think this shows that people are satisfied and do not oppose the construction of other apartments. There are already successful cases where the same distance is a few feet away. So, as you can see, this time it was only two opinions. Yes, the number of cannonballs has definitely decreased, and I think this is a very important part. Um, the second is the height of the building. This is related to the vision acquisition problem. As already mentioned, in the B2 area, you can build a building at a height of 35 feet even in the current state. Um, if you change the purpose to ARSA, you can reach a height of 45 feet. Um, in this apartment complex development plan, we are requesting 55 feet, which is the same height as the Cannonball 1. Therefore, there is an example that shows what the current height is right under the road. Once again, I will explain the maximum and maximum limits and limits that are allowed in the current state where there is no land use certification. Finally, I will explain PUD once again. I hope you all understand what PUD is. This is a planning tool that provides flexibility to traditional development and area regulations. We looked at the contents in the concept planning stage. It's the same thing as building slope, density, and height. The developed area is important for the system, so strict standards are helpful, but we are seeing that the flexibility provided by PUD is of great help. Many of us have pointed out that we are asking for a variety of changes to a variety of issues. So, I would like to emphasize that PUD is allowing a master plan for development. It does not apply to individual items. Therefore, PUD means a master plan for how to develop a single land. It is not a single change in the individual items applied to the land. In other words, it is a tool that helps development such as a cannonball or such an apartment. Without this, it would be really tricky. I would like to make sure that the terms are not confused as we proceed with this process. Those were the main points and concerns. I would like you to keep that in mind right away. Yes, it is included in the data packet, but I would like to let you know that the application was submitted together. We have provided applications for Marathon, McDonald's, Best Buy Liquor and Subway owners. It was all delivered to you. I want to tell you this. And I don't know if you've seen it, but I submitted another one tonight. I'll do it. Yes, I got it from Phil Jacobson. Please refer to that as well. I couldn't put it in the package. Well, please keep these points in mind as we proceed today. I got a support call, and please consider the lack of public opinion last time. 그럼 제가 여러분께서 저희에게 질문하실 수 있도록 열어두겠습니다. 우려하시는 부분을 알려주세요. 더 궁금하신 점이 무엇인지 말씀해 주시고, 마크와 앤디도 여러분께 발언할 기회를 드리겠습니다. If you have any questions, we can discuss them freely together today. I'll give you a chance to speak. Yes, I see. Thank you, Mr. Lee. It was a very useful and concise summary. Considering all of this and thinking about it again after the last meeting, I'm no longer worried about building height or vision blocking problems. It would have been the same effect if another building had been built anyway. In my opinion, that part I don't think it's debatable. But I'll give you another chance. Yes, I would like to hear from the judges here.

There are some things I would like to clarify. Instead of the place where the cannonball is, why did they choose that place? I think you'll understand if you explain it. I understand the problem of the thorn stone, but I know that the first cannonball store is there. Maybe you wanted to expand the second cannonball store there. Yes, if possible, I would like to hear more from them.

Mark or Andy, are you okay? Would you like to discuss location selection? Would you like to do that? It's okay.

Or would you like to sum up the question list first and answer it at once? All right. Would you like to gather other questions and deal with them all at once when they stand on the stage?

I fully understood at the end of the meeting.

The opinions of previous business owners have also been of great help. 감사합니다. 직접 차를 몰고 가서 현장을 둘러보니 마음이 놓이기도 했습니다. 네, 저는 괜찮습니다. 사업주분들과 소통하기 위해 애써주신 점도 감사드립니다. 프로젝트가 아주 마음에 든다고 말하긴 어렵지만 어쨌든 우려했던 부분들을 어느 정도 해소해주는 것 같습니다. Yes, I'm sorry I couldn't attend the last meeting, but I reviewed the data submitted before the meeting. There was no other problem with that. Yes, I think this kind of progress is okay. That's right. We need to stop for a moment and check if we're going in the right direction. But as you look at it, there's a good case like the apartment building right next to it. The admission is complete, and we are providing the profits of other businesses and providing the necessary workforce there. Well, can you say this is perfect? I don't know. But I don't think there's any problem with the current situation. I think it's very good. Yes, there's a really good case to refer to. If that side is running well, there's no reason not to do this side. There are some concerns about the part designated as a TIF land. I know you applied, but I don't know if it's now or later to reject the approval. No, I'll tell you about this. As a planning committee and a committee member, there is enough time to discuss and get information about TIF land. However, the TIF region is not a problem related to security and finance, land use decision, building construction, or building placement. I hope you recognize that. So you need a little bit of effort. When discussing and deciding on the requested content from a land use point of view, it should play a role as a planning committee. Then, when it comes time to discuss the TIF Earth in the public sphere, it will be dealt with then. Yes, I think you can tell Bartman about this part easily. Um, the TIF region has a wide variety of uses for residential use. The period to pay such taxes is much longer. The reason why such measures are necessary is because these projects are often difficult to secure financial liability alone. In particular, it is even more so in areas where we can still maintain interest rates much cheaper. In this case, as before, in order to apply for a TIF district, a certain number of generations had to be estimated at a 60% level of regional middle-income income. As a result, we were able to secure a generation of cheap loans. This is not a private house. It's not a government-supported house. It's not a Section 8 house. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. It's just there. Now, I'm going to do this. I'm willing to give up the maximum loan income I can get with this benefit. As a result, this makes me able to build a project. If I don't do this, if I do this project independently or with investors, it will be difficult for people with high income levels or even higher income levels in our local society to handle it because we have to raise the loan too high. Therefore, it is difficult for projects like this to succeed in the Minnesota outskirts or rural areas without a TIF area. It may not even be a construction. There is a standard that is generally required, and there is a consultant that Laura and I met. They were prepared to start the TIF discussion process through financial advice provided by the previous project by setting up a public hearing and a fund-raising meeting, but reserved it until the end of the land use discussion. However, what he said and what he will say in the future is that if there is no TIF area, it is necessary to pass. If there is no TIF area, can the project be promoted? What he often saw was that developers usually need this kind of support for projects such as residential apartment buildings. If something is not supported, it will not be able to promote the project because it cannot secure financial liability or meet the necessary conditions. It doesn't matter if it's a loan from a bank or a loan agency, or money from an investor who expects profits. So if they can't get a land designation, they won't build a project. What I'm saying is a pretty simple scenario. So I wanted to emphasize that point. Therefore, if you have any questions, I strongly recommend that you make a careful decision based on the advantages of applying for land use at the time when the planning committee decides and approves. Discussions on the PIF land and its specific conditions will be held later, and this is an urgent matter to be decided by the committee, not the planning committee. Thank you, John.

Um, is it time for Doug to talk now? Yes, Andy, it's me, Mark. Uh, we can deal with one question about the location decision we received. Uh, how did Andy, uh, make the decision?

Let's start by explaining. Um, can you hear me? Is it there? Yes. Is it on?

What I was trying to say was that Andy explained the process of securing land for the development of the apartment, and then I was going to talk a little bit about other subordinates. So...

Yes, that's good. Hello, everyone. I am Andy Bartman of Killer Bartman Properties. I've been here a long time ago. Is it five years ago? I don't know, but it's been four to five years. Oh, yes. I'm Andy Bartman. I've been here before. So, um, with Keller Bartman Properties, um, last year, well, I think it was probably last year, I showed you other possible areas where Laura and John could proceed with the project. I chose Buji because it is closer to the location, Gashi Island, and my other real estate. Um. John, I want to briefly mention something that came to mind. As far as TIFF is concerned, we know that this is not something we should discuss right now, but banks will not lend money to these projects without other funds or TIFF funds. This is not just a problem with Canon Pulse. One of Wabasha is under construction right now, and the second project is underway in Zumburrota. There are several other projects in Red Wing's world, Those are all TIF projects. Well, I had no choice but to do so to raise funds. Going back to the story of the location, I don't want to build a building in a place where I can't see a farmland or people. People like to have facilities around. That's right, everyone. There are major stores around, and there are Subway and McDonald's. There are people there, and people like to live near lively places. There will be no tenants who want to live by car far away to the farm. Even if there are a few, people who are in their 60s to live in apartment buildings will not come to the farmland. To talk about the playground, the playground, which I made with hundreds of thousands of dollars, is in two projects in Redwin and St. Michael, and there are hardly any children there. Mark will probably know better through the many projects he has conducted. Now, is there anyone who would like to ask me directly? There's no playground anywhere nearby. So when children try to play outside, I'm worried that there's no place to play because it's next to the highway and there's a car accident risk. That's a bit of a concern. It's a safety problem. Literally, it's right next to the roundabout. Yes, I understand what you mean. I also have two, three red wings in my bedroom. There's no one in that playground. I don't know why, but there are a lot of children there. I'm also a park committee member, and I agree that children these days don't use parks like they did in the 80s. Yes, but it's different to leave it as a choice and to change the regulations and make it mandatory. I know there should be a green space, I don't know why you have to insist on a $100,000 amusement park. There's just a space right next to the gas station. When dogs run around, they need a place to stay. Yes, you don't have to be loud. But I don't know why there's nothing. I want to play outside because I have a child. If there are no other children, there's nothing to do.

Yes, I told Laura, but you can also make a basketball court. It's like a concrete floor for children to play on. It will be more useful. Yes, we've done that, too. I think you're talking about playgrounds. Even though the playground looks simple, you have to build a pool below and it's more complicated than you think.

And usually, all playgrounds use rubber mulch that can be used permanently. You have to take care of the edges. Of course, you have to work on the soil. Then you end up with $50,000. In my opinion, I've made a few simple playgrounds for Red Wing. If you want to install a school or a park playground, it costs $30,000. If you do work related to the park, you know. Yes, it costs $30,000 to make a simple playground. It's a very basic level. Yes, so I never buy it. Yes, even if you don't install the whole wall, it's good to have $60,000 after you're done. But I think a facility like a basketball court would be fine. It's a space where people can do something. It's a place where people can get together and hang out. It's actually the neighborhood of the residents. There's nowhere else to go. So people meet and say, Hey, how are you? We say hello to each other. That's where it is. If you have children, it's a place to play outside. It would be nice to have a small facility. I'm not asking you to build a huge park. I don't think it's too much. I'm just worried that there's no such space. It's next to the highway. Yes. 다른 질문 있으신 분 계신가요? I understand why you're trying to install it there, but I think it makes sense what Chad just said. It's like saying that a facility such as a subway station or a mainstream store needs to be there to improve accessibility. But now there's no playground there. So now people have to take their kids to the car to go to the playground. Whether you build an apartment complex there or somewhere else, I think it's the same situation where you have to take a car and move to buy food. That's what people do. We live in a society where we move a lot. It's not such a long distance to get out of the city. But what I'm curious about is, before you decide on this final project, I'd like to hear what you think about the suggestions you've made. Project, I mean. I don't know why people don't want to live. Of course, I know it's an apartment complex. I'd like to live close by, but it's not that far from here in Cannon Falls. It doesn't mean to move to the middle farm on the way to Red Wing. I'm just asking because I'm curious if there are other sub-districts other than this place. Anyway, let's listen to his explanation of the various suggestions you have chosen. So, um, let's go back to Andy and answer a few questions about the sub-districts and other sub-districts. Another advantage of this sub-district is that the utility facility is already equipped. Currently, the sub-district, the capital, and the road are all completed. So it doesn't cost much to expand the facility like other sub-districts. Some of the sub-districts we reviewed are redevelopment sub-districts, so additional costs or time may be required. So, if you have any more questions about land selection, I will answer them, and then I will tell you about the playground facility based on my experience. Do you have any questions about land selection? If one comes out, it will come to me. One thing I want to tell you is that it is a private party to sell land.

It is also a private group to buy and develop land. Our role is not to decide where the company should set up a business site, but to determine whether it is suitable for the purpose of the property. We evaluate this specific request to determine whether it is suitable for the land or not. It's not a problem for us to choose where a private company wants to be located. Our role is to determine whether it is appropriate to be located there. I also thought in that context. Isn't that already one in a very close place? Is it full?

Yes. Yes. There is definitely a demand for new facilities. So you're trying to install it there, right? Yes. That's right. All right. Let me tell you about the playground facilities. I've probably installed about 200 facilities a year. In the metro area, the Rochester area, or the surrounding community. I worked a lot with a development company. The place has always been aimed at at least 100 to 200 generations per site. Recently, I installed one in Moñizela. I've installed it several times throughout the metro area. I've never tried to install a park or playground, not for a reason. The reason is that there are many great parks in all cities in Minnesota. It's because the residents don't use the playground facilities. There are very few children among the residents. In the case of the parent generation, there are many cases where playground facilities are not properly utilized because they go to other places with their children. Another reason why the development company hesitated to install facilities is because of additional responsibility, but insurance companies demand that playground facilities should be immediately used as a risk factor and fenced to prevent the entry of external children. Eventually, there is a situation where you have to wear a pencil because of the insurance regulations. So for various reasons, it has become a trend not to install playgrounds in most apartment buildings. The biggest reason is that it is rarely used. Aegean Park, Inhwajeongja, spaces for adults to rest are used. I use those places, but I don't know how many children there are in the 60s, but I don't think there are many children using playgrounds. Or there are many opportunities to go somewhere else. So I don't think it's appropriate for apartment investment.

In addition, there is a street where the Three Pines Park is accessible nearby, and there is a playground there, but I have hardly seen children playing. Even though the surroundings are crowded. So, um, there's probably a space for children to run around. I wish there was. Even if you look around our neighborhood, children don't use playgrounds well. They just play with something in the middle of the road. Um, if you just give them a grass field or a playground with nothing, the children will make their own playgrounds on their own. Their distance will be a highway. It's a little different. Isn't that right? The children there are not yet in a situation where they can freely let go.

But, in my opinion, even if there is just an open space, Yes, I think the children will find enough ways to have fun themselves.

Yes, and the top part of the greenland is located in the south and west of the building, and the road is far away. So there is nothing to worry about because of traffic problems. The children will find the places that have been moved to one side well. Thank you. Thank you.

Do you have any other questions or opinions?

We don't express it, do we? That's right. Well, I have to tell you that I don't understand the explanation of Byen. You've come to give your opinion on authority and authority. Can you use it for what you want? Yes. So we express it. Still, thank you for coming out and explaining a few things. Yes, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

Do you have anything to say last? Then it will be a meeting of the Peaceful Rescue Committee.

That's right. It will be peaceful without further delay.

I will tell you about the 14-day meeting. At that time, we will re-sign the approval of the development stage and deal with the request for change of purpose. So, from B2 to Alporo's use change and development stage approval. Well, then I will come back to you again for the final plan approval later.

Can we make a decision? No, there is no public opinion at that time. I'm sorry. Well, that means both the use change and the concept plan are fine. Do you have any more questions?

All right. Then, do you have anything more to say?

Yes, to answer that question, there is a public opinion session, but there is no requirement for public opinion in the next meeting. 공청회는 지난 회의에서 완료되었습니다. 개회위원회 회의 시작 전 3분 동안 발언할 기회는 여전히 있겠지만, 다음 회의 안건으로서의 별도 공청회는 없을 예정입니다. 감사합니다. 존 더 이상 의견이 없으시면 폐회 동의를 구해도 될까요? 해외 동의합니다. 제청합니다. 알겠습니다. 라디언이 발의하고 노바흐 위원이 제청했습니다.

찬성하시는 분 계십니까? 찬성. 찬성. 반대합니다. 그럼 감사합니다.