City Council - workshop

Technically, it's over to team engineering.

All right, we'll jump right into, is this working?

No.

Nope.

Is it green?

Nope.

It was.

Are we changing things up tonight here?

I messed it all up.

Well, I got your back. Thank you.

There we go. All right. All right. What we want to talk about today is really dive into next year, 2027. I know it's only July, but in all reality, we really are getting to the point where we need to start thinking about getting going for next year. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DIDN'T GET ON UNTIL JUNE, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PROCESS. AND WE PROBABLY STARTED THIS TYPE OF A MEETING LATER IN THE SUMMER, EARLY FALL. AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS, we really did kind of go through a quick process there to get through that. So we're to the timeframe now where what we want to do for next year is really get to the point. So we understand what projects we're doing for 2027 and then give us some time to go through with some additional public hearings, some public meetings, just to get everybody more involved in and get that information out to everybody. as well as take our time going through the special assessment process. That's why we're here to talk about what we're looking at for 2027, which you'll see that nothing has changed from what we've been talking about before as far as what projects we're including in 2027. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY IS REALLY DIVE INTO WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE, WHAT IS THE NEED, AND GO THROUGH THEM IN DETAIL. SO TODAY, WE'VE GOT A PACKET SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. I'LL MAYBE START IN THE BACK WITH THE MAP. THERE'S AN 11 BY 17 IN THE BACK. AND THAT MAP IS GOING TO SHOW THE PROJECTS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. Now, four of those projects we're gonna go into more detail than the last, and the last is the Channing Avenue and Pebble Lake overlay springing, sorry. Pebble Lakes this year, springing. That project is a federal aid STIP project, so we've got grant money to fix that project through federal aid and state aid. So that's the one up at the top right of your map, and then also the section down on the bottom right, the horizontal line. Those two projects will be done together with those funds. So that project in detail will be, we'll go and we'll mill the top layer of asphalt off that street and overlay that project. And again, that's 100% grant funds to do that. Okay?

And they don't need more than that? That's all they need?

That's all they need, yep.

And the utilities underneath are okay?

We'll talk about that at the end.

Okay.

Sorry. No, that's this year's.

27 is Channing and Spriggan. Now, Channing is from Cascade, probably. Got it.

Yep. So, okay. So we'll flip back to the front now, and let's start going through each one of these projects. We're gonna hear a lot of the same theme when we talk about the need for these projects, because all four of them really are the same type of project, and in all reality, pretty close to the same need. So the first one is Sheridan, Arlington, and Bancroft. And so if you turn the page on your capital improvement plan, and again, this capital improvement plan, these pages are right out of the plan that you've seen before. They're exactly what's been in there. So these are the detailed sheets out of the capital improvement plan. So you can see the, I don't know how many blocks it is there, seven or eight blocks or so of utilities and street replacement. So the utilities under the roads there are old utilities. So we've got cast iron type water main. We've got vitrified clay pipe, sanitary sewer, and old storm sewers. So this portion of the project would be to replace those pieces. And then the streets themselves, we would do a full street reconstruction. The street out there is in very poor shape, so we are not able to do any type of overlay or seal coat to help save that street. And we've got some pictures in there that we went and took and blew up some of the pictures of the road, so you can page through there and see that. The road itself is in really tough shape. Mm-hmm. A lot of alligator cracking. It's probably been like that for quite a while now. So that project, we'll get that all fixed up and replaced.

Kyle, are we replacing sidewalks in that road too?

Yes. All of these projects. I mean, there's not a lot of sidewalks, but there is sidewalks there. We've got sidewalks and driveways included in the project as well as curb and gutter. And what we'll do once we get into design, we'll really take a hard look at exactly what sidewalks, where we're gonna place sidewalks in that area of town.

So what about the spots in the street? If you go up, there's not sidewalks all the way. We're going to put sidewalks everywhere then, all the way from where there's no sidewalks? I guess that's what the question is.

Yeah. So one thing that if we look at Cleveland, one thing that we rush through on the process of that we're trying to get ahead of this time is look at the project area and go, okay, what makes sense through here? Like Cleveland, I think everybody agrees that having sidewalk from one end to the other, on one side of the road it was. Correct. But it wasn't all the way down the street. And so connecting that up. And so what we'd like to do getting rolling now is we've estimated a little high to incorporate, okay, if we need to add some sidewalk to finish off blocks or stuff like that, what we'd like to do is get that in the feasibility report and really leave it up to you guys and then also get input from the public of, hey, what is your thoughts on adding sidewalk to connect these blocks? And if you guys look at it and go, there's really no need or the public shows up and goes, I definitely don't want it. Well, then we're going to adjust accordingly. But if it does make sense to include it and especially if there's areas that it's like half blocks or I think everybody's seen it where I think ordinances, if you put in a driveway, you put in the sidewalk crossing and some people do their whole lot. Well, it looks pretty ugly when it's like, here's one lot that has sidewalk and then a break, and then another lot that has sidewalk and a break. And so what we would look is how do you make that connect all the way through, given input from you guys, input from the community, different things like that.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, so we have that included in the project. Estimate is to date anyways. So on the first page there then as far as Costco. This project is not on any part of this project is not on state aid, so we will not be using state aid dollars for this. So we show there the the breakout between the sewer water storm sewer fund. What would be bonded and then what would be special assessed? And at the end of the presentation, we do have a cost as far as the bonding goes, what that means to assessments in the community too, so.

Your Honor, can I ask one question on that? When special assessments, are we looking at similar rates to this year per square foot? Or are you using kind of one number per front foot for everybody across all these projects, or how are you doing it?

Each project will be separate. That's how we have to do it. So we would create a special assessment district within that project area. And then we take the cost of those special assessments and we look at how much front footage there is for all of the lots there and come up with a cost per front foot.

Okay, that's how it works.

And then that will calculate how much assessment is based on the width of people's lots. So we would use, we'll go through the same assessment process as we did before. Okay. So that's Sheridan, Arlington, and Bancroft. Any questions or comments on those areas? Okay. Moving on. The next one on the list. is Union Avenue from Gustavus to Alcott. Again, we've got about seven or eight blocks on that road as well. Again, utilities under the road are in tough shape, very old utilities, cast iron type water main, VCP pipe, dilapidated storm sewers. So those we're looking at replacing the utilities and again, fixing up the street. The street on this one's in TOUGH SHAPE. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES THERE WHERE YOU CAN EVEN SEE SOME PATCHING AND OVERLAY WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS, BUT THE ROAD ITSELF IS IN JUST REALLY TOUGH SHAPE. SO AGAIN, FULL STREET REPLACEMENT, DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT AS WELL WHERE NEEDED. If we look at the funding for the project, so a portion of this project is state aid road. So we'd have state aid funding in there, about $655,000. And that's based on the street costs and the storm sewer costs. There's eligible costs where we come up with that number. So about $655,000 of state aid grant dollars would be used towards that. And then if you look at the storm water sewer fund and then the special assessment fund and the bond issue for this. So again, that project, we'd go through the same process for special assessments when we get to that point. Questions, comments?

Let me ask, why only going to Alcott on this one?

That was my question too.

As far as?

Not down to Vernon, for example. Yeah, why not down to Vernon on this one?

I'm not sure why we selected that. Isn't most of it cement?

So I don't know if that was a determining factor. So this project was actually identified in the previous city's CIP, and so we carried it over. There is concrete, basically, from the point that we terminate to burn in there. Why that was specifically selected, I don't know. I believe the utilities are old there as well. But this street was something that had been identified as an area. that they had on the list for termite from here to basically the end of it?

Is that something we should go back and look at?

We definitely could take a look at that, though, if there is an additional two, three blocks that would finish out this area. You know, is that something we'd want to do at this point in time?

I think that makes sense. Well, as long as you're there, why not?

Especially if utilities are old. Yeah.

Utilities on all of them.

New and a bit in the middle is old. Sure. We'll take a close look at that and look what areas we would need to kind of get something finished off there and then bring that information back.

Okay, thank you.

Yep. That's good. That's the type of comments we want to hear if there's areas that I think need help, so. Okay, any other additional comments on union? other than it's desperate. Yeah. Like I said, there will be a lot of the same theme running through. That will be one of them.

Is there anything possible that can't be done? I know when Cleveland was being, when the street that goes along Cleveland Street working on the school and things, there's really no space on Union to put any type of a wider lane in there that I can see. I don't know if there is or not. Because I look at that Cleveland thing, and that's where I went to grade school. And I can't believe somebody hasn't been hit over there yet. And Adams is worse.

Yeah. So I will say there's always room to do something, right? A big thing, and maybe this will be a good time if you guys ever drive that road, what you'll realize is you'll go through Vernon, go through the three-way, and before you turn on Alcott, if you look straight down the road, you're going to see you lose four or five feet. It shrinks. And that is certainly one area that we've already pointed out, like, okay, we got to look at this. I don't know, because it's funny when you get, I think it's two blocks further down, it winds back out. And I'm not sure why specifically by the school there that it got so narrow, because I agree, like you drive down that area, especially during school and stuff like that, it gets very congested. The one thing I will point out to the council is if we look at widening that, you got one option and it's those trees gotta go. Now, can you replant trees? Are those trees getting old? Definitely. And so is that an issue? I'll tell you from my perspective, taking trees down, people do not appreciate. They get it for the most part. But it is something that if we widen, the trees are going to come down now. you look at, does it make sense? I think it does, because that's definitely a high traffic area, especially with school going on. And that's an area that we'd like to look at during the feasibility of, can we even do something specifically for the school to make it even wider there? Maybe it's a touch wider for drop-off pickup, and then you narrow back up after.

No, it's not only that. I mean, that's a main road. It's right to the landfill. Correct. You know, and you've got big trucks flying through there. Yep. And we want to cut down any kind of liability or

or anything that we can do. And when it narrows down today, it doesn't gradually narrow down? No, it just goes. So yeah, as part of this, we'll take a look at that to see if we include that as being wider there. All right. Okay, moving on. West Seventh Avenue from Broadway to Vine. This one is, again, in really, really tough shape. Again, the utilities are poor. The street is to the point where it's almost gravel now. that should save us money yeah uh one of the reasons this project yeah one of the reasons this project didn't get done last year was because this is the one that goes through the railroad track so we needed some time to make sure that we had enough time to get permits through the railroad as we all know those take some time so we want to make sure that we did that so That's why that one got pushed back to this year, but it is in very poor shape. It's it needs to be done ASAP so That one we're looking to get finished This one really I mean to a point the safety hazard for driving down this road. There are some spots You better be watching. Otherwise You're gonna take your car into the shop

Right off the bat, I can't remember. From Vine to Union, the one more block to the east. What is that? How bad is that? I know it's horrible from Vine to Broadway. But I can't remember what the union is. I think it's smoother, but would it, you know, what's the utilities like? Sure. You know, does that have to be replaced? Yep. You know, there's one more blocker that you can finish it off right to the main artery.

Okay.

Yep. I think Al's right on that.

We'll take a look at that one, too. Perfect. Okay. All right, funding on that one. Again, that would be city project. Again, you can see all the different funds that we would use as well as special assessments and bonding. Any questions, comments? Okay. Moving on to Maple, or 7th Maple Avenue to Buse Street. Again, this one is eight blocks of utilities as well as streets. And again, utilities in this section are old. There are sections of the street that are really bad and there's some sections that are just what I'll call bad. Not as bad as some of the other streets, but still in poor condition. So again, we'd be looking at total replacement for these sections of roads. And again, no state aid help on this one, so they would all be city funded. If you look on your CIP, there is a note down under the funding notes there that we need to figure out some funding. You can cross that out. That has been determined. All right, any questions or comments on that section of road?

I have a generic question after that section.

On the next one?

Kind of, yes.

Okay. So those are the four projects, the four city projects that we have built into 2027. And again, the additional project is the East Channing and Springing. And I'm gonna jump over to that project. So that project started probably three or four years ago. That was identified by the city of Fergus Falls when they got that STIP funds. Now we've gone through the process of Getting the environmental done, I think that's completed, correct Josiah? Yep, so environmental's completed. Now we're to the point that's been approved and we'll be moving on to design here shortly. Actually, it's already started. We'll get that approved this summer through MnDOT and the feds, and then that would get bid then this spring for a project next year. Guy brought up that there is some utilities underneath that roadway, some water main that we have fixed over the years. So the question we need to look at is, we've got two options. We basically do a separate project to fix the utilities underneath the road to get the water main fixed, which would mean we would dig up that road, put the new water main in, patch it back in. That would be a separate project that we would try and bid early so that get the contractor in there right away in the spring, finish up the water main early, and then towards the second half of the summer, then we would come in and do our overlay project over the top of it and have a good street when we're done, okay? THAT'S OPTION NUMBER ONE. OPTION NUMBER TWO WOULD BE WE DO NOTHING AND WE LEAVE THAT WATER MAIN UNDER THERE AND HOPE IT LASTS US OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 12 YEARS BEFORE IT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED WITH A COMPLETE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT ONE. WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME ROUGH ESTIMATES ON THE WATER MAIN. It was about $2 million to replace the water main underneath the street. It's about a mile of water main we'd have to replace, so it's a lot of water main.

When was it done last? When was the last time that had been replaced?

The utilities?

No, this one.

Oh, that one.

Yes, you're right. You're saying you've fixed some of it already?

Just spot fixed. So unfortunately at this point in time, we're doing the overlay project. We have grant money to do that. We are not able to change that project to a different area. So we're stuck with doing that project. The question is do we get those utilities fixed prior to doing the overlay project?

I mean, as much as it's $2 million, it seems crazy to kind of not fix what's a known problem.

As long as we're there, I think we need to replace it.

There's a lot of homes that that goes to. Correct.

If that's original, then I think it needs to be replaced.

And I think the citizens will struggle with a brand new road over old utilities if we're digging up a brand new road in four to five years or six months. I mean, I think that that's a bad look.

Once you go through winter, you're going to be digging up a road.

Yeah, the last thing I ever want to do is start digging into our brand new street. We would never propose to do that, but this is a different situation that we're in. We've selected this area. This is the area. Unfortunately, I would have liked to have gone to a different area, but we can't do that at this point.

Is it both Channing and Springen or Channing or Springen or is it all, you know, because those are both getting the mill and overlay. Water main? Yeah. So it's Channing that would.

It's just Channing. Okay. You said it's about a mile.

Yep.

On all of these, I'm assuming that we kind of included replacing lead piping in this? Correct.

Yeah. Yeah, anytime we would have lead, we'd replace that. Actually, all of the water main water services will be replaced from the main to the property line. And then if there's any additional lead that goes up to the house, well, we would work with the homeowner to do that. And we may run into, typically what happens with these projects is every once in a while we run into lead that we didn't know was there and we work with the homeowner always to get those replaced.

Okay. Bill, could you give us a list after your vacation? of how much we're gonna spend on the water, sewer and storm water. I mean, what it's gonna look like after the fund will look afterwards.

how much of that percentage is going to be your next slide and we can touch on that not i didn't i don't know if you're ready for it or not i just thought okay yeah so um and bill maybe i'll have you go through this but if you turn turn the page here uh bills put together some numbers as far as some bonding costs uh for 2027 and even out through the future

So what you're seeing is my chicken scratches that I sent over to Kyle and Josiah earlier today. But you've seen this one before when we went through this last year, we actually projected out. And we'll talk during the council meetings tonight about that 2026 column because we sold bonds today. But we're going to look at the 2027 column right now. So this ties back to what we just went through when you see in each of those capital plans where it said bonds. That's the tax levy supported bonds portion for the city. We also add the special assessment portion to the bond and then the assessments we collect pay that portion. Just so you know when we actually come to issuing the bonds are higher but we use assessments and tax levy two forms of revenue to pay those bond payments. So here we have each one, you know, in that 27 column, you come down to, we need to finance then like 3.6 million that would be tax levy supported. You come down, you add issuance cost, underwriter discount estimate. AN ANNUAL PAYMENT OF $327,000. YOU'VE GOT TO GO UP 105% ON THAT TO ALLOW FOR, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY YEARS, FOR ANY DELINQUENCIES IN TAX PAYMENTS ACROSS THE CITY. SO WE ALWAYS LEVY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR A CUSHION FOR THOSE for those debt service payments. And then we're pulling off a projected levy that is looking to be dropping off for that 28 year. So when this levy comes on a 46,000. So you come down to, you need about $300,000 annual payment that we'd be levying for, or about 3.4% levy increase over the 2026 levy that we're currently on. So we, of course, as we talk through this, we want you to see that you can see for 28 and 29 what those estimates are too. So you know what's coming down the road, no pun intended. But with that now, Scott, you were asking about the enterprise funds and like water, sewer, storm, where are we going with that? As you know, for this year's projects, we bonded about a million dollars for the stormwater. We'll have to bond for the stormwater portions, a good chunk of that next year as well, because stormwater maybe only has like two and a half million dollars in it. So we're gonna bond more for stormwater. Water, we didn't bond any in that this year, but I believe in my projections for next year, maybe a couple million out of water next year or over the next couple of years. I know some bonds issued for the 27 and 28 projects because again, these are big projects. Then sewer, I haven't been projecting bonding there. But that balance is going to come down quite a bit. So don't be surprised when we put this financing package together next year that you know in 27 do we bond some for the sewer portion or in 28 as well a portion. So we'll pick that apart. So long story short there will be a little more bonding for enterprise than what we have been doing.

So thank you.

You bet.

All right, any questions on the costs or how stuff's getting paid or anything like that?

I mean, there's obviously a couple of revisions to do, so when they get those circulated again.

Yep, we'll get those put together ASAP so we can get those back in front of you. And like I said, we're looking to... get the go-ahead at some point here in the near future to get going on some of these projects so that we're getting that information out to the residents and getting our work done that we need to.

The only thing on South Union would be like traffic flow. I mean, if we go from Vernon to, you know, Yeah, I mean, is it better to do that in two projects from a disruption? But it would depend on what the cost is. Because, I mean, you've got to get... Yeah, well, that's kind of the main route into kind of that sector of town that's going to be dug up for. But I suppose if you're doing it, it's like ripping off the Band-Aid.

That would be my thoughts. But we're going to have some nice roundabouts on, you know.

Actually, you could do the roundabout on the three-way stop. You could get a grant for that. Yeah, we can. Yeah, I like the way you're thinking, a mini roundabout. I got another spot for a roundabout in town. Yeah. Forget it. Let's put around about that and then everything will be fine.

That's not what I meant.

Any other comments? Just, I mean, I'd love to hear feedback as far as what others think about the need of what we're presenting tonight.

I mean, we have a lot of need, and this still only really scratches the surface. Correct. Literally.

I mean, yeah. $16 million. Yeah.

I have a question.

I think Mark had one.

Okay, sorry.

No, go ahead. No.

Go, Mark.

You go. She's asked plenty of questions, so you go. Yeah, your turn. Yeah.

You're up, Mark.

Thank you. Number one, sidewalks. If the sidewalks were taken off the project and under the magic number, could they be done better with local bids than going out for the prevailing wage?

You know, potentially, I don't know. I do know that when we've been doing the sidewalk portion of the project, we've actually had trouble getting bids. Now, that's on a small scale. We've actually had to go out in big contractors to give us a quote for some of the sidewalk work we've been doing with the city project.

And again, it's just a question that if you've already analyzed it, that's great. I'm glad Hicks brought up the fact of the lead. That's very important for us to follow. I'd like to see the city council look at the assessment policy as you've started working on. Now I'm going to hit the hot one. You ready? Trees in the boulevard. It seems like I'm not against trees, but as they get built in the boulevard, they just seem to be in the way all the time. And then we run into these issues in the future. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE ACTUAL HOMEOWNER, BUT WHAT IF THE TREES WERE JUST ON THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY AND OFF THE BOULEVARD? AND AGAIN, THAT'S A COUNCIL ANSWER.

YEAH, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE FOR SURE. WE DO RUN INTO ISSUES WITH THEM, CAUSING ISSUES WITH THE CURB AND THE GUTTER AND THE SIDEWALK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

Just because grandma always had trees in the boulevard, I'm asking for, you know, consideration that in the future it just would save us a tremendous amount of money. Not in my lifetime, but somebody's.

What do you mean? Not replacing them? Not adding them back in? Not replacing them.

So once they're out, to leave them out is what you're suggesting? Yes. The route would be to leave the trees out of the boulevards. Okay.

But if we're widening the street, we may not even have the potential to put trees back in there.

In some of, yeah, where we talked about widening on Union, we would not have enough space.

I don't think there is, there isn't, the school area, there isn't really many trees.

The block just north of it.

Both sides of it there is, yeah.

And just so everybody knows, when we do our projects, we save as many trees as we can, obviously. But we do have to take some out, and we took some out on the projects we did this year because of services going up to people's homes where the trees now have overgrown and are in the way, and we've had to remove those. And we did that as part of the project. But, yeah, we haven't been removing any trees other than the ones we need to.

I would encourage the council to consider it.

I mean, it should be because we are technically a designated tree city. So that's kind of one of the things that is an advantage. And trees do provide some benefits as much as they cause potential damage to sewer and underground stuff. But they do provide shelter from sun, you know, and keep houses cooler.

Sure. Laurel?

Yeah, my question is, as you look at this, you guys inherited some of these projects that were identified prior to you. So my question, my first question is, do you agree with the ones that were identified prior to you? I think based on the pictures, I would guess the answer is yes. But do you agree that these should be the priorities for next year? And then I have a second follow up.

Yeah, I do. We have looked at that and we do agree with some of that. But these first few years, there's a lot of need out there. So there's a handful of projects that are out there where, yeah, pick and choose what year you want to do them. But we have tried to put some, like we talked about, which was the one that was by Douglas? Or we did Douglas first last year where, and it was seventh, the one that's next to Douglas? Union. OR UNION. UNION, WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE DONE THAT LAST YEAR, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GET DOUGLAS FIRST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO WRECK UNION WITH PEOPLE WITH THE CONTRACTOR DRIVING IN COMING ON UNION TO FIX DOUGLAS. SO THERE WAS SOME STAGING THAT WE PUT INTO THE PLAN WITH SOME OF THAT.

And my second question is, as we look at capital improvements, I know from talking to various city staff and over the years, there is this pipe that goes above the river that a lot of the sewer runs through. And I just wonder, I know it's a concern because so much of the city sewer goes through there. If we get a big storm and trees are going down that river, and maybe tell me if I'm wrong, but that's a concern. And are we talking about that at all, about a backup plan or anything for that? Because city staff has mentioned it to me and that people worry about that. So I just wonder, is that on the radar or is it a concern or is it not?

We have not taken a deep dive into that one, but we definitely can.

It is a concern for sure. Three quarters of the town goes through that one pipe.

I know, and that worries me.

We we do have a failure. We don't have a plan to bypass that or anything.

And it would be in the river.

Yeah.

Solution to pollution. So I don't know.

I just I don't know if that gets on somebody's radar. I mean, I hear about that over years. That's a big problem if we have an issue.

I think there would be potential funding for that. I would hope. Or some contribution funding for it anyway. For sure. Not necessarily for all of it. Yeah.

And we can, I mean, can we go underneath the river with that? I mean, there's...

So I don't know, just to me, if we're looking at long-term plans and there might be funding out there in the atmosphere we're in right now for environmental funding in Minnesota, maybe this should be on the radar.

Yeah. Because I think it's, I mean, I know, I mean, it's been on the radar for a long time and nothing's got done about it. So, I mean, Dan Edwards was even talking about it. It was a $2 million project when Dan Edwards was here. So... Yeah, it'll be more today. I mean, that was putting a lift station. I mean, I think it was lift stations on both sides and raising it. And especially now with Hoot Lake closing, you've got the potential of ice on the river. Before the river was open, you know, 52 weeks of the year. Now it's not. So we probably should initiate a PI for that. And, you know, so it is on the radar.

Yep. Okay.

Okay, any other thoughts or comments on these projects? Yes? No? Need to be done?

I think they need to be done. We got to do it.

We got to do them.

And hope for favorable bids again.

Yeah, well, and that goes with the timing of it all. If we can get these things out on the street early for contractors, you saw that. I think we probably saved a million and a half bucks this year just by bidding those when we did.

All right. That's all we have for today. Thank you.