County Council - Regular Meeting

gentlemen welcome to the July 6 2026 commissioners meeting there are title six forms in the corner by the door if anyone would like to fill one of those out and return it to the auditor's office all right Matthew's here animal shelter you want to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance and justice for all. And if you could remain standing, Ken Mobley is going to lead us in prayer.

Our God and Father, we thank you for this day and we are just so thankful for your grace and everlasting love. Father, I just pray that you'll give the leaders here wisdom as they discuss business within our communities and within our county that they can first glorify you. So just be with us and guide us and we ask these things in your name.

Amen. Amen. Thank you, Ken. Thanks, Ken. All right, we will start first with the review of the June 15th meeting minutes. I didn't have.

Looks good to me. There's two meetings.

I'm doing just the regular meeting minutes first. No comments. All right, I'll entertain a motion to approve. So moved.

Second.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Moving on to the June 15th budget meeting minutes. I didn't have any.

I'll make a motion to accept those. I'll second.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. All right. Claims. Any questions on claims?

I saw one little thing, but it was just a clerical. They're going to move it. It's just coming off the wrong line for some building permit refunds. Okay.

I would make a motion to accept the claims. Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed? Motion carries. All right, moving on to payroll. We have June 19th and July 2nd on here. The June 19th total was $447,968.71. And I think the total line was cut off at June 2nd. I don't have that total.

I would make a motion to accept payroll claims for both of those.

I'll second that motion. All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed? Motion carries. All right, the next agenda item is Tim Ortman with the Highway Department.

Good evening, gentlemen. Good evening.

So the first thing we got, we do have Tracy Mintz here from Air Price Truck. So I gave you a packet there. You've got four pickups on there. Here's what it is. So these are the 2027 models. This is 2027 pricing. All the upfitting, everything is compliant. Works what we had. So the way this would work is we'd basically be purchasing the trucks outright except for $1 because they are not a dealer. They cannot, we can't purchase outright totally. We'd be leasing for one year at $37 and some odd cents per vehicle, and they would be doing all the fleet management stuff on that vehicle then for a year. And then at the end of that year, we continue to do that if we want to and pay for the fleet management, or we can go ahead and purchase just $1 and $400 for the title transfer to take the vehicles out right and own them out right at that point. So we've looked at our companies. The bottom line is this is the best deal we've came up with on these trucks. So with each pack, I kind of gave you some pictures. They're just stock pictures of what the pickups would be representing is what they'd be. Four trucks we'll be getting rid of. I believe three 2011s and one 2009, something like that they are. It's made value probably about $13,000 total is basically what we're looking at.

For all of them collectively? Yes. Okay. Yeah, they don't have a resale base or anything.

Basically, we've used all residual value in them. The bottom line is where we're at.

This is something we've been talking about for a while.

This we've been talking about for some time, been researching, da, da, da. Like I said, the last time we held up was before the 2027 prices, so we've come with very accurate numbers right now. We're about nine months out. Right now, it would be time we ordered chassis in, upfitted into us.

Okay, Tracy, help us out here. Yeah. So $31.27 a month for rental. We do a 25 flat and junk fee on there.

And then there's just like, well, it's not taxable. I think it's our interest that they have on there.

Okay.

Very small amount. And that's just, again, like you said, we're not a dealer, so we can't.

So this isn't a lease this is a rental

And that is basically due upon delivery.

Okay.

So in essence, it's 31 27 a month times four times 12. So it's $1,500 and 96 cents for all four of those vehicles for one year to then We're pretty much paying them for the convenience of them outfitting all the vehicles for us and saving us money in that. So when we try to price it out directly, us doing it before, it costs us more money than what they can have them fitted, outfitted for us and delivered. It would cost us a lot more money to have them do it ourselves like we've been doing. So we're paying them $1,500.96 for a convenience fee.

. . . Yeah. Yeah.

Why does the management not work for you on your side?

Mostly because we

When it comes to maintenance time on our side is that something that we need to be

We would still be doing the maintenance. A lot of this fleet manager talk about is let's get in this vehicle and is this vehicle working the best for us as it should. Or do we get in this a year now and find out we're not putting the miles on, we don't need this size vehicle, we need this classification vehicle for the use. So it's really tailoring the vehicles and the use for the best bang for your buck. So you got to start generating a little bit of use, you know what I mean, and some experience behind this for this to work. They're setting a lot more standardized vehicle classification than we are. So, you know, we order these and everything and we'll use them, but we may find out our next vehicle needs to be a different type of vehicle for what it needs to be used for.

In addition to that, we pick, we basically are setting our rotation to meet department needs instead of market needs. So we're on a four-year, five-car, a year. I do, it was attractive. When it was pitched to us, it was attractive. It just didn't work with the changeover of police parking equipment and the downtime of that. Did it make sense to us? And then not having control of which cars we rotated and sold with. That's fair.

That's fair. It's your fleet, or just your consultant?

And this gives us a very easy out.

If we get to the point it's not working for us, we spend 400 bucks, buy the titles, and we're done.

You're looking at two of the utility?

Two of the utility and one of each of the other ones.

One of each of the other ones. Yes. Do we have the utility trucks, how many of those do we have currently?

Eight, roughly.

With the utility beds on them? Yes. Okay. Yes.

So what we always did, we'd buy foreman trucks set up that way. We'd keep passing them down is what we would do. This is a foreman truck? Yes, them two would be foreman trucks. So by passing them down, you're always getting the same vehicle being passed down. So now we're looking at a more standardized vehicle for what the use is going to be. So you see one with the snow plow equipment, it's tailored to that need. You know what I mean? So it'll be a seasonal truck. It'll be snow in the winter, herbicide in the summer type situation. So we're going to more specialized vehicles for the tasks that will be utilized.

How old are the other ones that you have that are similar?

2011s, three 2011s, and I believe one's 2009.

Those are the ones that are being replaced? Yes. You said that you had eight total.

Yes, we got the 2008. I mean, they're scattered out between there.

The way you're looking at entering into this program is that we will then be rotating them out? on a scheduled basis.

Well, we hopefully, like five years, we'll be able to be through the rotation and be able to do something and have some resale back in these to be able to really get our bang for our buck. That's our hope, but like I said, that's part of the fleet management. Maybe we get into it and go, you know what, it's not the best time to get ready. You need to run another two years. Or maybe it's, hey, the market's time's right. Now's the time you probably need to get up. We'll get you really good resale and get you something in cheaper.

Right. Right. Yep.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I look at these and I mean, I would anticipate these trucks being able to run for a long time. I mean, Gabe, you own a a Ford truck that's similar, maybe not the bed on it, but similar, and I would anticipate that you have the same belief on what your truck is going to be able to do. Whereas, like, with the Sheriff's Department, with those vehicles running to emergencies, that's kind of been my view, that you have one of those break down versus one of these. There's a big difference in the situation.

Oh, yeah, and big difference in cost.

Yeah. But I would look at... And these is more of the investment long term. But obviously, that's a decision that we can make further down the road. Yes.

I mean, we hope it is. I mean, we hope we do it like we are doing it, yes.

Well, I know we spoke again a lot about it in previous meetings. I understand you know your initial your initial reason was to, you know, save the county money by doing it this way. So I'm good with it. I mean, I think it's great that we get to spend a year and also get to see this data as well.

Well, I really like that we've had the sheriff's department experience. Right.

And that's what I see is that listening to you, you know, the value you see in it helps me feel like, okay. Yeah.

I mean, you guys did a ton of legwork up front and it was, it was, it was a wait and see how is this gonna work situation. And so it is reassuring for me hearing from you guys. And I know we've talked even after some of your, the crashes that have happened and how things have worked out and so. Any other questions? Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to move forward to enterprise for the four vehicles.

I'll second that motion. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. All right, so you need my signature here by Leacy.

We'll bring you a full set of originals for you to sign.

So you don't need me to sign these now?

Right now. If you sign them later, she'll get you a full clean set. You're on the fair all week.

You can't. That's fine. Yep. Yep. That is fine. That works.

Very good. Thank you.

Thank you, Tracy.

Thank you for being here. Large trucks, we did send out our standard specs to five different vendors, I believe it is. We've told them two things. It'll be source well pricing. They'll get us pricing back on the standard specification we used on our last trucks. But then we also asked to do a value-added option. If they can come up with a way to save us money, come up with better options, throw it at us. We'll see where it's at. So we're hoping about four weeks, six weeks, we've got that pricing back from them vendors. So that's the update on it. Kosciuszko County, Pug Mill, we'd sent you a resolution from them. It's in our budget and stuff. So I'd like the approval to go ahead and move forward with that.

Do we need a budget? Okay, yeah. Any discussion, any questions? Tim, if you could just explain what it is.

So it's a pug mill. It makes a cold mix asphalt. So we used to do it years ago. We've been purchasing off of Jennings County. They got a pug mill plant. We've been purchasing off of them. Kosciuszko County was out. They was buying a new one. So we had the option to buy their old one is what it is. They are keeping their conveyor belt stacker. We will have to purchase one of them in the future. but we was able to work a deal out and go ahead and purchase their old one off of them. The nice thing about this one is diesel-powered, so we're not taxing of our electrical resource.

I don't have to run electrical service to run it, so that's one nice thing about it.

So basically we make our own cold mix asphalt. What we'd be doing in-house is what we'd be doing.

And the price for that is $15,000 for the Pug Mill? Yes. All right, I'll make a motion that we go ahead and move forward with purchasing the Kosciuszko Pug Mill.

I'll second.

All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries.

So 400 North, Bowery Storage Plant, they have done the road widening and shoulder work up there. They got that completed. So yeah, it all works out good. They are continuing work with NDAH about widening that intersection on that part of it. There is a drainage structure up there that might have some issues with it. They're evaluating it. So we'll see what them and the engineers come back with.

do with the two bridges there by Jane Brown's house?

That's the one of them that might have an issue. So they've got a steel plate on it right now evaluating that one. Okay. So, yeah, it's being evaluated right now.

I had a couple people in that vicinity that were concerned about those bridges, and I wanted to ask you that.

Yes, so the one that developed a suck hole on it, I don't really know the structure integrity or anything, so that's the reason I put a steel plate over it, put asphalt over it right now, so they can take sure nothing happens right now until they figure it out. The experts will be here looking at it right now, and they'll come back with a recommendation or something, we'll figure it out.

And I know that you and I had exchanged some emails. There were some concerns that were brought to me, uh, over the weekend for some of the, the direction signs for the traffic coming to and leaving, um, that's that area that some of the signs were too far off of the road prohibiting, um, or inhibiting farmers from being able to actually either. get into their fields correctly and actually do what they need to do, or from also maintaining their ditches. And so, Tim, did you have an opportunity?

I did not see any of them in the field. I really did not. They were engineered in place. They had to follow the manual uniform traffic control devices. I believe they pretty much all meet that. I really do. I think they're within the legal requirements they need to be. There might be a lot of them. It might be kind of a hassle, but as far as their requirements, I think... I think the company's met their obligation. So, yeah, it's kind of hard to back off of that offer.

There are a lot. And I guess we didn't have a set number for those, did we?

No, we let them just follow the main uniform traffic rule and the engineering judgment on it.

I think that I'm a little hesitant to say take away some of the signs because I don't want to get confusion and traffic on other roads, even though once you get to a certain area, there's really nowhere else to go. But I would be a little hesitant to have some of those signs removed.

I think you mentioned that I want to stay in the standards that's required. Legally, I think that's important that we have the correct amount of signage that's required for us.

And the nice thing about it, it's only during construction. Once construction's over, there's fall and stuff, then things will all be pulled. It's not like they're permanent signs. Yeah, I dig a wire and drive out and look at that. So SC Construction, they've been in doing chip and seal and stuff. They'll be finishing up about Wednesday or Thursday with chip and seal and everything. They'll put them at 52 miles of river chip and seal, seven miles of double chip and seal on gravel roads converted to asphalt, and then the fog seal is eight miles, but then they'll have the additional out there by the ball diamonds, fog seal coming up on that. So, yeah.

so hopefully wednesday thursday they'll have that done they'll be good chance to go out and look at that 500 that i sent you from brad septon his area his road it's a gravel road that

Yes, we went out and regraded that thing until we did it, patched the asphalt on dust pads and stuff. Okay. So, yeah, we did that. Okay. We did contact NDOT about it. Because 600 South is the unofficial detour we already got in place, they only let one road on that. Okay. So we couldn't swap over to it, so we left the asphalt roads in place for the unofficial detour, and we just took care of the cost. Yes, we did go out and grade it, patched the asphalt, did all that.

Thank you.

Yep, that took care of so evergreen real quick on the SC as far as the fog ceiling.

So you know, originally there was some patching and a little bit of milling and stuff that needed to happen on. That section of park road before we fog sealed it.

Has that work already been completed or we'll pass just a little bit more and touch it up just a little bit right before they come in.

Do we have a concern with that happening on Wednesday with the fair starting? I mean.

We'll work around it. I mean, the nice thing about it, it don't take long for that stuff to cure out. I'm hoping nothing else. We do one half, let it cure, switch over to the other half. I mean, they still keep two-way traffic, I think, on half that road at a time.

Okay.

So, yeah.

And then the striping of that will take place? After the fair. After the fair. Okay. Thank you.

Evergreen, they got the community crossing grant, chip and seal. They're looking to come in at the end of July. is their target. So 38 39 miles what they're looking at. Um, as far as road damages during the storm, uh, it was $43,715.89. So we submitted that Mike at E. M. A. So he's got that from that emergency declaration. 421, tree trimmings all done out there. They got that all taken care of. So still struggling with NDOT as far as getting anything back on the official detour.

So... Have you heard anything? Was it Mike? Have you heard anything back?

Nope. I mean, the email. Nope.

So, like I said... All three of us ought to...

Yes, I mean, I'd encourage assistance, because like I said, they're just, they're really dragging their feet getting back. So, yes. So, the official detour on 421 South, of course, 700 east of stuff. We took, got project cost estimate, go in there and fix that. Basically $60,000. They're kind of dragging their feet on that, too. So we may just have to go in there and do it and try to get our reimbursement back on that. So we gave them the option. I got a meeting with NDOT tomorrow on that. So we hear that, and we'll just have to go in there and do it and try to get a reimbursement back from them. Road salt, we bid with the state of Indiana. The state of Indiana did not have any successful bidders for our area, so we are not getting any treated salt from them this year. We have to source our own somewhere else. Untreated salt for Brom, we was able to secure us a 60-tonne bid. Like I said, we bid 400-tonne of treated salt, and we're not getting none. We got a couple different options. We've contacted Morton Salt. They're going to try to get us a price out of Chicago, see what it'd be if we go that way. If not, there is an option to use calcium chloride and treat sand with it straight directly. We've got about 300 tons of salt on hand, so it may be such a thing we need to maybe treat sand with calcium chloride and throw some salt in it also to get through this year. But we're going to find out. We just found out last week that we're not getting them from them. So it's the whole Seymour district. So we'll keep you up to date on that. We'll find out.

Have you talked with any other counties by chance?

Everybody's scrambling.

Okay.

Everybody's doing the same thing. And the only one we've seen him respond is Morton. Out of Chicago, that's the only ones who can respond and say they might be able to help everybody. So, yeah, we don't know. That's not a good deal. It's late in the game.

State's not providing any directive as to?

Nope, go find your own. Go find your own supplier. That's all they got.

Okay.

So, yep. We did get our special distribution from the Communities Crossing Grant, the wheel tax portion of it. It came down a couple days ago. $369,500 is what we got on our special distribution from that. So that leaves us this year eligible for $630,000, $499,000, $75,000 for Communities Crossing Grant is what we can submit for this year. So that's where that puts that at. Training, we did send seven guys. They got trained and certified in cable slings, rigging, lifting, et cetera, et cetera, which worked out really good. We've been trying to get that accomplished. We was able to actually do it through Crosby down in Cincinnati, no cost. So that worked out real well. AIC has a leadership training coming up, 12 weeks online. I'd like to send five of our guys to that. We got in our budget to pay for that. So it's for supervisors, upcoming supervisors, but it's through the American Association of Kenya Counties.

So you guys probably see it in the newsletter. I don't know. I saw that in the newsletter.

So I'd like to do that. And then 8-1-1, they have a train deal every fall down at French Lick. NEA Utility Regulatory Commission is doing scholarships this year. So I'd like to submit a few of our guys for scholarships. Our foreman and the guys that actually do the locate tickets, also a monitor. And if we hope we can get a scholarship, pay for it. If not, we'd pay for it ourselves. It's like $450. Yeah.

Well, training and continuing education is always super important, so I support all that. So I can do that.

Butch, you just walked in a second ago, and Tim had just talked about the posts for the battery energy storage, that they are where they're supposed to be by standards for the battery energy storage. And the recommendation, I think, is going to be to keep them there, that the project construction phase would be done this fall, and they'll be removed. I know you also brought the tile. Is that the tile you told me about that was busted? So Tim, from the email I told you about with mainstream fiber and the polls, it appears that we have some evidence of a tile being busted. And Butch, I can get you the contact that Tim emailed me this morning for the mainstream fiber representative so that you can get that fixed.

yeah if it's i mean yeah exactly yes yes you know yourself i've got the pictures the road has got a They know they went right through an 80-inch clean tile.

Pretty self-evident, isn't it? What? Pretty self-evident. Yeah. So, yes.

And it's very upsetting. We don't know how many other things they've damaged.

Yep. We can provide you the contact of the construction manager out there for Mainstream. I mean, I can meet with you with them. It's however you want to do it on Meijer. But, yes, they're well aware that, yes, we should be able to get that resolved pretty easily.

I expect something to be done.

Oh, absolutely. That's understandable.

Mm-hmm.

So you want us to provide you the contact information for them? Yep, I'm sure do that. Okay, yep, I'll get you with him.

There you go, Butch. Mainstream Fiber, his name's Kevin.

Yes, and he should be on site every day out there. He's well aware that he'll be the contact. If there's any problems, give us a shout, and we'll get involved if we need to.

Anything else, Butch? All right. Anything else for him, gentlemen? I don't.

Thank you.

Thanks, Jim.

All right. Moving on. Sheriff.

Good evening. I'm here to seek approval to renew our contract with Southern Health Partners, our medical provider in the jail. I did email you a copy for your review ahead of time and Chad has reviewed it also. This will be our third year with Southern Health. They've been good partners in the jail. Again, we just like to move forward with them. This is a little early. The new contract starts in October. I had to have numbers for budget for next year. That's why we're a little bit early. Regardless, this will kick in October 1st.

You're satisfied with what they do?

Absolutely, yeah, very satisfied.

Very good. Well, I'd make a motion to accept that contract. I'll second.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Sheriff. Thank you. All right, Doug Westerfeld, APC.

afternoon i just wanted to give another update concerning the decatur county comprehensive plan we've got we've received the initial draft the rough draft the steering committee has received the rough draft we will meet on july 16th as the steering committee with any changes corrections edits that we need to make for that before that that plan gets moved forward to the public adoption also Last week, the St. Paul, they are also working on their comprehensive plan and the Area Planning Commission Board has to make a recommendation to the St. Paul Town Council concerning that comprehensive plan. Due to some posts on Facebook, we had a full house, needless to say. And I feel like that all the voices were heard. Our board did a good job of listening to all the concerns that were out there. The posts were concerning a data center coming to St. Paul, and that's not the purpose of St. Paul doing a comprehensive plan. Their purpose is there's a sewage problem at St. Paul and just within the town limits. And in order for them to get funds and grants, these institutions that provide the grants require them to have a comprehensive plan. So that's why they took the initiative to do a comprehensive plan before we even did our comprehensive plans. So I thought it was a good meeting and the voices were heard. The board did make a favorable recommendation to the town council. If there are any edits to that comprehensive plan, because I think there may be some edits, it will come back to the area plan board. And at that point, if they agree with those edits, and then that will be the adoption process.

Wow, they're close to adopting theirs then?

They meet tomorrow. Okay. Their town council meeting's tomorrow. So they've received the favorable recommendation from us. Their town council will now hear those, and I'm assuming they'll probably have a crowd there like they did here last week. Right. And I do foresee some edits. Actually, it was just a couple of edits. that the group would like to see. And I feel like their steering committee was willing to make those edits because it really has nothing to do with their purpose of having the comprehensive plan.

They had received their OCA grant, I think, one quarter before us. Yes. Yeah, that's correct. They're three months ahead of us.

Yeah. So I wanted to bring everybody up to date on that as well.

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Because of what was put into the company and how that worked.

Right.

For future.

Yeah.

And why that was chosen and how that worked.

Right. Yeah. And that was a major topic of Wednesday's meeting.

Yeah. Pretty much say what, like how you explained it to me. That's just.

Yeah. So.

Yeah.

Yeah, Leanne got a phone call saying that the map says that your future is commercial or industrial, so you're going to get annexed and you are going to be rezoned. That's not how it works. I mean, they can't force you to annex and they can't force you to zone. It's up to the property owner to make that happen. And that was similar to St. Paul's comprehensive plan. If you look at the town of St. Paul, And you talk about future. What's the future? Well, we're not talking about tomorrow. I mean, we're talking 10, 15 years from now. They tend to label between St. Paul and an interstate as possible commercial industrial. Anytime you have interstate interchanges, that's just going to be the natural growth. And the individuals or the farmers that own that, they don't want that to occur. Well, it won't as long as you don't want it to happen. So is that... Yeah, the government can't come in and force you, one, to annex, and two, to rezone. It is the property owner's rights to do whatever, to request that. They have to be the owner to request those items.

In sitting through the comp plan steering committee... meetings when we looked at the zoning maps and we've had them out for The the public input sessions it's if this is if you're going to have a business come in Where do you see that business? So if it's going to be commercial in a certain area, where do you see that? And that's when people would put a sticker in a particular area. It's not changing what the actual land use is at this point but that way you can get an idea on where any kind of development, whether it's residential or some kind of factory coming in. That way you can have an idea that the area plan can look at and say, okay, this has been discussed or this is not even close to being an area that's been previously identified for this use.

And if you've looked at our past comprehensive plans over the years, for example, property north of I-74 interchange has been shown as future commercial industrial. it's still farmland because that's what those property owners want it to be, is farmland. So it's... Makes sense.

Thanks for that input.

All right.

Thanks, Doug. Thank you. Thank you, Doug.

Mike Snyder, EMA.

Good evening.

Hi, Mike. Mike.

So have to present to you a I was approached by Mister bond would do last week regarding potential grant for us for heat relief items for the community. They have they're doing this for several of their communities that they work in and around and it was for $1,000 for us to I'm going to partner with the health department to see if they know of anyone or who they have on their lists that may be able to use some fans was the Easiest thing that we could come up with at this point leaving possibility of options seeing where the funding can go with it and exploring other options as well that Sean might be able to help out with. So there was no county funds required, and we hadn't applied to it due to the heat factor that we've had here the last couple weeks. We wanted to get the ball rolling on it.

Certainly would have been nice to have them last week. Yeah. No, that's great.

Yeah.

I'll make a motion that we go ahead and approve this request for the grant proposal.

I'll second it.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Thanks, Mike. Do you have anything else for me? Do you want to talk about the emergency declarations?

Yes. So the governor did approve. Several counties in Indiana going back to June 9th for storm disaster relief. It goes for quite a stretch of time period with the back-to-back storms that we did have and the damage. Looking at that, we now need to have a declaration in place because, speaking with County Highway, there's approximately 30,000, 35,000... Something like that.

$43,715.59.

All right. Anyway, in order to have a chance to get any potential reimbursement with that, we would need that declaration and submit that. We were already an approved county, and then there's other potential things that we might be able to looking at storm related damage.

But is that 75% reimbursement? Is that typical?

Typically, yes. They may adjust it. They may leave it at the 75. It depends largely upon the FEMA standard that day when they come through and what that looks like. that is a potential for us and these declarations then would enable us to fully participate and see what we could get back reimbursed to the county all right thank you mike what i have here i have two copies but it's the same it should be one is the declaration for june 9th and the other one should be a renewal of that

I'll make a motion that we approve the disaster declarations. Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you Mike. All right, up next we have Tom DeBond with Duke Energy.

Nope.

I did it again. I crossed it out early. All right, Inclusion Ball Diamonds, Rotary Club. My bad. And I already crossed out Tom DeBond.

Chris, do you want to speak to that?

Sorry, Tom.

I know you or Brian or either or. Brian, you've got to get to the mic, though.

um so last i think it was last meeting maybe two minutes ago you guys had some designs from rotary on um where to place the inclusion baseball diamond um myself along with our board recommended what was i showed you guys design two um which was the non non-field um location just due to known cornfield yeah non-cornfield location um we foresee a lot of VERY HIGH COST IF WE PUT IT IN THAT AREA. THAT WAS A BIG REASON FOR THERE AND JUST BEING ABLE TO KIND OF TIE EVERYTHING IN TOGETHER IS WHY WE CHOSE THAT SECOND LOCATION. ANYTHING ELSE, BRIAN, FROM THE BOARD SIDE?

YEAH, SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE ABOUT THAT, ON THAT TOO, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO capitalize on the possibility for new restrooms being used for both entities. That was a knock against the use of the cornfield because we'd have to build new facilities out there, new pathways out there and such. This we can take advantage of a lot of the infrastructure that we've already built on it. The real concern would be the design. We don't want it to seem too crowded. We want to make sure that there's green space in there. The other concern would be parking, which will be something that

NEEDS TO BE TACKLED ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S WITH ROAD REFUNDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WHEREAS THE INCLUSION DIAMOND ITSELF, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOMES MORE CERTAIN. WE WANT TO JUST FROM THE BOARD STANDPOINT MAKE EVERYONE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS TO ACCOMBINATE THAT SORT OF FEATURE THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED IN REBECCA PARK AND HONESTLY NEED TO BE IMPROVED ANYWAY. Looking at that road going through, whether we shut that down, whether we put parking on both sides, trying to preserve as much green space as we possibly can while accommodating any sort of events that are out there. STILL A ROAD AHEAD, BUT LOOK TO YOU GUYS TO KIND OF MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THE PROPOSAL FROM ROTARY CLUB IS THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE INCLUSION DIAMOND AND ALL OF THAT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, THOUGH, THAT WILL BE ON PARK'S DEPARTMENT AS A, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PARK BOARD PERSPECTIVE, ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE TAKING ON THE ADDED EXPENSE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR MAINTAINING?

I'm not sure we have a choice, necessarily. But yeah, we're going to try to see what monitor as those developments come out. Yeah. Any questions on that?

You, Jody?

I don't want to speak on all the speakers today.

No, I think that was a really good answer for us. I mean, I think it is something WILL DEFINITELY REQUIRE MAINTENANCE AND GIVE AN ADDED, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIME OUT THERE DEPENDING ON USE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY, SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE, AND IT'S SOMETHING, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A CHOICE ON TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE WILL MONITOR AND

Well, I don't know the longevity of that field or that turf, but it's going to have to be replaced at some time as well. The same with the sports complex. That will have to be replaced. So it's an ongoing maintenance, ongoing expenses as we have to replace those things as well. It's a lot.

So the proposal then is to... Agree with the recommendation that the ball diamond is placed there on the west side of the road, just north of the playground, basically. That's the best description I've got.

That's a good description. I don't have a drawing. We had three proposals. The first one was north of the pickleball courts. The third one was in that cornfield. And then the second one is the one we're landing on is your description. So I feel like in our meeting that we had, that I was able to be in, that we went through that with the rotary and kind of felt like that was the premium spot, cost-wise, space-wise, all of those things together. Okay.

Any other discussion? I do not. All right. I'll make a motion then that we go ahead and approve that location then west of the road and north of the playground for Rebecca Park for the inclusion diamond. I'll second that. All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed? Motion carries.

You want to share that with the Rotary Club? Okay. Thank you, guys.

Thanks, Chris. Alright, Tom DeBond with Duke Energy.

I submitted the work document version of the agreement and I forwarded it to your county attorney as well. Just here this evening to ask if there are any additional discussion needs to be had or any questions you have of me.

So I think in looking at it and some feedback that we've gotten from Chad, I wanted to have it on the agenda for tonight so that we could discuss location and maybe some other limitations. My hesitancy is that if you guys come in and there's a big storm somewhere in this area and you set up somewhere that there's potentially going to be an event or something happening out at the fairgrounds that's previously been scheduled but is not impacted by the bad weather that you guys are mobilizing to work on, that it's going to negatively impact what's going on out there. Okay. As far as a location, I didn't have much of a preference on location.

No, I think we all agree that overall it's a good idea to have a staging area. It's trying to figure out the parameters, times and location, size, because Just for instance, if you had a storm and you said, okay, we need the fairgrounds this week. Sorry, we've got the Decatur County Fair going on. Or I might need it the third week in August. Well, that's power of the past, and that takes up our whole fairgrounds. So where do we find those parameters where we can say, yes, it's okay to use it, but except for –

Yeah, and we can also look at an alternative site in the event that there is a conflict. I know when we had the storms that we were concerned with a few weeks ago, I actually worked with Mike in securing the school parking lots just in case, which thankfully we did not need them. Okay. So we can certainly look for an alternative location as well if there is a conflict because of ongoing events.

I noticed there's been some equipment moved in off Veterans Parkway Reserved. You guys have like a little storage area going on there, too?

To be honest with you, sir, I'm not sure. I don't know.

I think that's our big concern. I mean, we can't really specify. Like the Power of the Past, it's at the same time every year. But the fair, you know, that date may move. Right. So is that something, if we wrote that in for the fairgrounds, that we could just write the exclusion of those, you know, of any of those events?

I believe so. Yeah, I believe we can.

Or exclusion of any event previously scheduled. at the fairgrounds.

You just think of the cattle battle. They take up a pretty good-sized portion of the fairgrounds for that almost a week, four days, or whatever it is. That's where my concern is. An event.

I understand.

I don't know how we... That's the difficult part for Chad, is how do you word that, or how do you put those parameters in there?

And that was part of the reason I was seeking the clarification, is we're dealing with scheduled things versus, I mean, it's an emergency event. It's an emergency event. Has no schedule. And what limitations you guys could and could not accept and work within. So we didn't want to just send you back a copy full of stuff.

Right. No, I appreciate that. What I would suggest then this evening is take no action and that I will contact or I will put Mark Jordan, a real estate person, in touch with you, sir, and then we can have those dialogues directly. Yeah, that's fine. Okay.

Yep. Okay. Just one other thing on your diagram. You had highlighted this was the highlighted parcel.

Uh-huh.

This area down here is also part of it.

Uh-huh.

where that's like the end of the midway. There's a drive down there now as well, so it's not the entire part, but that's a section as well that I could see that even being staging area. That's to the south of the new drive and the parking lot there.

If you want, you can highlight that for me, and then I will include that in the correspondence with Chad and with Mark, our real estate person. Very good.

All right. Up next, we have a resolution to purchase land. Gabe, you want to take this one?

We've been short of parking, as sure as most people have seen at the complex. Just even for the amount of parking, just for the folks that are coming there for baseball and softball, there hasn't been enough parking. So we are looking to try to Uh, we have some, a little bit of ground that's already ours in the back and on the west side towards the airport. And then where the barn sits up front, we hope to turn those into parking. But, uh, also we had a note, somebody notified us that the folks that own the bowling alley may be interested in selling the two acres behind the bowling alley. Uh, that is currently in grass. So two sides border. The city, the airport, and one side borders us, and the other side borders their property, of course. So we are interested in looking to see if that's an option. And in order to do that, we have to pass a resolution that says that we are interested in pursuing that. Then from there, we have to have two appraisals, and we take the average price, and that's what we offer them. And if they accept it, great. If not, we're not able to purchase the ground.

Okay.

Any questions?

Nope.

I'll make a motion that we proceed forward. I have this as resolution number, is it 2026-13 there? Yes. All right. I made the motion.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? All right, up next under topics, we have a request to vacate public right-of-way in Clarksburg. Are you Mr. Spurgeon?

I am.

Very good, sir, welcome.

There's that, there's that. alleyway or roadway between my house and my brother's next to me that only extends the length of one lot. It's an extension of 690, I believe, isn't it? It's right off of 645. And the way it is right now, we've lived there for 45 plus years and we've tried multiple times to get that closed because it's not used for anything we maintain it and We are while we haven't aggressively pursued it the We were always told by the assessor's office that it wasn't that they were not interested in closing any existing alleys We recently had Andy Scholey survey our entire property. There was a couple gap areas that we have been able to acquire, and we would just like to pursue this. He informed us that this was a favorable time to pursue this, so that's why we're here.

And it looks like you own... The other properties that would have been landlocked.

Right, exactly.

If that was vacated.

Except my brother owns on the east side of us, which is lot 46.

And your intention is if this were to be vacated, then you will rezone it all into one parcel?

Exactly.

Did you purchase that gap area?

We acquired it through a quick claim deed. Yes, it is.

The Tech Review Committee has a favorable recommendation for it as well, which is, I like to see that.

One of the main reasons we'd like to have it, I wouldn't mind building a garage, but the way the property is, they say I can't build one because of of that area that's 40 or 50 feet there that's county-owned, that's a roadway.

Tim, anything from the highway side? Anybody here this evening that would like to speak on the request by Mr. and Mrs. Spurgeon? Any questions?

I don't have any questions.

Does this need to go to two? No.

I would make a motion to approve the vacating of the alley.

I'll second that. Which number is this?

2026-14.

Thank you very much. All those in favor of approving They I I those opposed. Motion carries.

Thanks for hearing us and thank you very much. You're welcome.

There are a lot of these floating around, not just in Clarksburg, but another part of the county where there's random random alleyways.

Yep.

All right. One thing I did want to just discuss or announce, Decatur County, part of Ready, or Brian, do you want to talk about the Ready Blight? Okay. Decatur County, as well as other members in our Ready region, was awarded some funds for the continued blight project through the Area Plan Office. And So right now, I think I talked with Doug a little bit before that some of the actual projects, we should be able to have receipts, bills for those projects. So we should be able to use some of the ARPA funds that have already been designated for the blight project. But very cool to see that we got additional ready funds from the state. Yep. All right. Anything else for you gentlemen?

No, other than just a big thank you to all who were involved with the America 250 this July 4th and the photograph out on the lawn and the Historical Society kind of brought that to our attention a while back and the committee made it happen. So just a big thank you to everybody who was involved in that. Yep, it was cool. And if you didn't get a chance, that photo is out on social media today. So it's kind of neat to see that picture.

All right. Ken, do you have anything you'd like to update us on? Briefing out.

The last time before I was here, completed our four-day training of VSO training. That was given by a legal group out of Virginia. A lot of great information. Trying to peel back the onion. Try not to eat the elephant in one bite because it is huge. And the elephant's called the VA, of course. And they couldn't stress enough that what I do for the county is more than just filling out a form for our veterans and sending it in to VA and crossing your fingers and saying good luck or hope it happens. It's more than that. I put a little quote here. I'm not a mower. I'm a tiller. I'm not cutting the grass at the surface. I got to dig deep to find the things that's helping the veterans. And so it takes a little bit longer to do those when you start digging into the VA records and and taking the legal aspects of looking in for medical providers to be able to provide that link for whatever their service connections are. So it's getting a little bit deeper than just filling out a form. But I appreciate the support that you guys give me. Tax season's upon us, at least for filling out the new forms. I've had four already today that I did. So the word's getting out. Veterans are coming in to get their tax forms all filled out.

I saw you working the veterans there at the July 4th parade.

Yes. Yeah, walking around, and those I saw with hats on, I was giving them business cards, making sure that they're coming and seeing me. Good. Because even if they think that they got everything that they need, it's always a good thing. Time to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. But also, if it's more than five, six, seven years that you've been looked at, it's time to look at it again to see whether or not there are additional things for us to take a look at. The big thing that I also got out of it that I would probably like to get with the commissioners and even Chad. is to understand is there any legal requirements for the VSO because I fall under 38th USC, I fall under the 38th federal codes, and there's a lot of different things in there that I want to make sure, one, the county is taken care of for any kind of legal actions from the job that I do. So that's something that maybe we take a look at. Indiana Department of Veterans Affairs did a legal agreement, liability agreement already, but I think I need to get that, guys, into your hands so you can take a look at is there anything unique that what I do, because I'm actually practicing veteran law, if you really think about it, in order to do what I do. So something to make sure that, one, we're squared away as a county and making sure that legally what I'm doing has no... REBUFF BACK TO US.

WE DO HAVE A COUNTY BOND THAT PROTECTS OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS. THERE IS A COUNTY BOND THAT'S IN PLACE.

SO, GOOD.

BUT IT WOULDN'T HURT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, KEN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T SOME WEIRD EXCEPTION IN WHAT WE HAVE. ABSOLUTELY.

BUT I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KEN. CHRIS, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU?

Kind of like Brian, just want to say thanks to everybody for America 250 stuff. Fireworks on Thursday night, huge success. Had a little over 5,100 people out at the event. It was supposed to be a 20-minute show, but I think it went for about 30. So, no, it was just thanks to everybody, to all of our sponsors. Our staff was, you know... It took a village to get that thing to run. So just thanks, everybody. Thanks to our sponsors, everybody that supported us.

And you guys did a really good job, too. That was very well put together. The artwork, the consistency, the lemon shake-ups were pretty good, too. But the whole thing, it was very well put together. Appreciate that. There was a lot of good comments from you.

Yes. Positive. A lot of positive. Yes. Thank you.

Brian, anything from the EDC? Yes.

BUT ALSO, UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THE SUBMISSIONS FOR THE LILY ARTS FROM DECATURR COUNTY WERE FUNDED. ONLY TWO IN THE REGION WERE FUNDED. THEY HAD REQUESTS FOR, I THINK IT WAS $462 MILLION THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR ONLY $65 MILLION. Pretty tough, but we're going to kind of concentrate on looking for other avenues to fund those things. We have had an increase in commercial interest, particularly in the Veterans Way area. Over the last two weeks, we've met with three out-of-state developers wanting to come in. We continue to get some interest out there, which is good. And just wanted to say, and publicly, that with the new Commerce Secretary, Chuck Goodrich, he has immediately announced that businesses, in order to qualify for state incentives, no longer have to have uh wages of of at least 125 of the average wage they've lowered that back down to just 100 of the average wage in order to qualify for for state incentives which is a step in the right direction uh we have some some interest also in in already zoned industrial sites uh and uh so that's going to kind of hopefully help push those forwards so see thank you brian thank you sheriff anything else

Thank you very much, Tim, Doug, Matthew Spear. Do you want to give us an update on the animal shelter?

So recently, part of my six-month metrics were to visit some shelters. So I actually just came back from the Indy shelter today, learned a lot of really cool things, and they just recently opened that new facility. So I got some cool layout designs that I think will work for us as well. I was also awarded a $1,000 grant for Sierra and I to do an ACO training, so that will be in the works coming up. And we will be closed this week for Fair Week, so we'll be working in concessions.

Very good. Is that the only? Have you just been to one, or have you been?

I also went to the Shelby County shelter about two weeks ago. It was pretty good. I learned a lot of good things. There are definitely some things that I would like to bring to our county as well when it comes to owner surrenders and things like that. So I'm going to be chatting with my team about that to see what their thoughts are.

I have blueprints from several different shelters that some other folks have gathered. I can pass those on to you. Yeah, that'd be great. That way when the time comes and we need to have a discussion, we can talk a little bit about what you've seen in other places and then what the blueprints have that we may or may not want.

Yeah, Columbus is on my list next. I'll be trying to get a meeting set up with them too. Very good. Yeah, thank you guys.

Thanks. Thanks, Matt. Mike, anything else? Leanne?

I just wanted to update you. A lot of people see Lifeline, Staff Flight come in and out a lot. They hear them come in and out. So just to let you know kind of how that works, when we get the request in dispatch for a medical helicopter in the current situation, Staff Flight is our first call. They've been our primary call for several years, which Just means that if they don't have a helicopter available, they will also reach out to the area helicopter's lifeline or any medical that would be the closest. They don't have any. So they have multiple. However, recently in our 911 meeting, I had, well, actually after we had reached out to StaffLight for, we had got an application that we can now self-dispatch StaffLight. A couple weeks after we implemented that, Justin Spear with Lifeline came and spoke with me and gave me several benefits for Lifeline. And I'm sure, Brian, you probably remember many years ago we used to do direct with Lifeline years ago. And I'm not sure what really changed that.

I think it was my recollection is that we didn't want to just have Lifeline. We wanted to have the closest provider. And do you remember when Columbus had a provider at one time? Yep. So then we were like, well, Columbus is closer. Why are we saying Lifeline out of Methodist Indianapolis when we have Columbus? Yeah. Or Rushville at one time.

And then we had one here at our hospital, and we lost that.

We had one here for a short time. So that was the reason was we got out of just immediately calling Lifeline, and we said any, the nearest air care.

It was. Yeah. So. So Staff Light started providing that service. So we did Staff Light one call. They said if we didn't have someone, they would call the nearest provider. So we started utilizing that because that took the burden off dispatch. Because when you're calling a helicopter, it's crazy in dispatch. So we do one call so we're not having to make multiple calls. So when Justin came and talked to me a couple months ago, he said, Lifeline does this too. And I said, but we just implemented this application. So tell me why we should make this switch. So he gave me a couple of things. Lifeline helicopters are larger. They can carry multiple patients compared to what staff flight helicopters are. They can carry more supplies for critical care patients. They also carry more blood supply for those patients. And when you're looking on a financial side of it, which a lot of people will probably go to more than anything, Lifeline will bill your insurance. And outside of your deductible, that's it. They will not charge the patient anything after that. The others will. And when you're in a critical need, who cares, right? But Lifeline will only do outside of your deductible, that's it. They write everything else off. Now, are we going to use the other ones? Yes. We're still going to use it when it's a life situation. Yes, we are. Because we're always going to go to whatever's closest. So nobody is going to be able to dictate that. Nobody is going to tell dispatch, I only want this because it's always going to be whatever the life saving, the closest one. So we have made a switch. to being lifeline is going to be our primary contact effective this evening. I just pushed it out before coming to this meeting. They are still going to be our one call. And actually, we don't even have to make the call. When they came to the 911 board meeting, Josh was there. And Josh was talking with their IT. And then we had a meeting together. And we were able to get them internally added into our CAD as a unit that we assign and dispatch. So now they're in our CAD system. So the moment fire or EMS says start a helicopter or check status, we can just go on to the call and type life. They're now called Life. And as soon as we type Life, we've got to make sure all the notes are in there. They'll get the patient information. And once we type Life and dispatch them on that call, it will send an electronic copy, just like Fire and EMS get now, to Lifeline. And they can start their weather checks and helicopter checks. And we don't even have to pick up the phone. So then once they're done, they can call us, not us. They're calling us to say, hey, we're clear on that dispatch, and they can let us know they're acknowledging. So it's helped frame up some time. If they aren't taking it, They may dispatch it out to staff player, they may dispatch out to another air medical. I just felt like it was important to let our community know what Lifeline is offering. And obviously it's not the same for the others, but we're always gonna go to whatever's gonna be, um, most lifestyle for the best situation. So, but we are trying to look out for the community and that seemed to me like it was a big benefit to make that switch. And it wasn't just me that I won't, it was a unanimous, um, vote as well. So, all right. Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Butch, I know there was something else that you had wanted to address.

Just wanted to address some of the concerns that a lot of us people are having out there and goes back to data centers solar wind Some of us farmers are being pressured a lot of different ways but I'D LIKE TO SEE A PROPOSAL PUT ON TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING THROWN OUT HERE IN THE COUNTY IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY MONTH OR TWO WE GET ANOTHER RUMOR AND ANOTHER FACTOR COMING IN AND I'D I JUST LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA PLAN SIDE OF IT THAT'S ALL I HAVE THANK YOU

You have a moratorium that's currently in place set to expire December 31st of this year. Yes. Doug and I were in a meeting, a virtual meeting last week, I think it was, Doug, where we were discussing updating our ordinances, cleaning up some of the issues in our ordinances, and we were meeting with a potential vendor, somebody that could help us with that. She did mention... that there may be an issue with extending the moratorium, because I know when we initially passed that, Chad, that there was the discussion that we may have to extend it to give us time to maybe revise some of those ordinances. I don't know what that change is, but it sounds like there may be a limitation on our ability to extend the moratorium. So if you could just take a gander at that, because that kind of... That could be potentially an issue with the comp plan when it gets done, needing to have the ordinances in place in time once the moratorium ends. And I think, Butch, a lot of the developments inside the city, there's not, when it comes to factories and those kinds of things, it's not out in the county. But I think that you share...

similar beliefs with a lot of a lot of other folks in decatur county that are very valid well there's a lot of things that bother us farmers a little bit nobody ever thinks about the side thing we just talked about my son was one up that road my dad's road and had to go into the ditch because of a dump truck coming down through there And it rutted up the ditch to my dad's front yard. He liked it. Never got out with a four-wheel drive sprayer. There again, him and I drove around a little bit yesterday. This mainstream is putting electric poles out south of Adams on the Adams Road where we've never had a pole before. Now we've got them every 40 feet. And Right on the property line, because like I said, I've got the barbed wire there to show it. But we go over to the pump for east of Guilford, and they're just right next to the road. They're in the road ditch. That's a problem for drainage. There again, like he says, if you go down that road with a piece of farming equipment, now we've got to dodge these poles that are only got to meet people that's driving 70, 80 mile an hour on our country roads that nobody can control. And the GPS sends them out to Vandalia to go across to Edinburgh and hit 65. But it's gotten to be a disaster out here. And nobody asked me about these electric poles on my private property. I don't know. I know it's an easy to do about that easement. But it's a pain in the butt, I can tell you that. And these poles are very close together. And I don't see why we're getting all this, why we got poles when they're burying the biggest part of this anyway. And there's already a fiber optic line buried down that road where these poles are at. Why couldn't they bury another one? I don't understand. that we're politically letting private industry bother us all the time. Because I'm now bothered by this company that's going to make billions and billions and billions of dollars off everybody's internet. it's butch wilson yep that's that's all i've got to say i think this needs to be looked at very seriously all the way down the road and it starts with you guys and county highway do you have any idea why they didn't drill that

Okay. Because it's actually better for them. They would prefer to be underground. So that's why I questioned why there was... Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate you coming.

If anything, if you need any more help with mainstream for that tile, let me know. All right. Anything else, gentlemen? Yes, sir. Sure.

My name is Chad Crowder.

I'm going to go off of what Butch said.

I'm from St. Paul. We just went through this. We just went through this with Shelbyville. You say there's a moratorium.

On alternative energy.

On alternative energy. What about moratoriums for data centers?

There is no moratorium on data centers right now.

Okay. If I may? I can fit them all in one. I'm going to be asked to put on for the next meeting for a moratorium on data centers. This is going to ruin St. Paul. It's a small town. It's got charm. They're looking to make money. That's not where the money is.

So we had. We had Doug Westerfeld from the APC earlier talking about the Saint Paul comprehensive plan and that there's actually no proposed data center in Saint Paul.

There isn't OK, but. Their wish list is in that comprehensive plan. And they have been actively pressuring farmers to sell. So they are looking to do it. We watched this with, and I know it's Shelbyville, but we watched this play out in Shelbyville. They can't sneak around anymore. I'm just being honest. The data center is trying to sneak in somewhere where St. Paul can't even handle the wastewater right now. They're having a problem. This would be even bigger. We're a farm community. So I thank you all for putting me on for next time.

And what was your name, I'm sorry?

Chad Crowder.

Can you spell the last name?

C-R-O-W-D-E-R. All right.

Thank you very much, Chad.

Thank you.

All right. If there's nothing else, I'll entertain a motion to recess. So moved. All right. We are recessed. Have a great evening. Go USA Soccer.