Town Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening and welcome to our town board work session of September 8th 2026 if we could all stand for the pledge of allegiance. Mister Waterhouse, why don't you lead us.

indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

If we could remain standing for a moment of silence as we come up on the 25th anniversary of 9-11. We remember those that lost their lives, those that ran towards danger instead of away from danger. And remember those who went down to help with the search and rescue efforts, risking their lives and some paying the ultimate sacrifice with these different 9-11 illnesses. Please pray for them, keep them in your heart, and may God hold them close. Thank you. Okay, we do have a proclamation today on the commemoration of the 25th anniversary of 9-11. Whereas September 11th, 2001 remains one of the darkest days in the history of the United States, when our nation suffered an unprecedented terrorist attack that claimed nearly 3,000 innocent lives and forever changed our country. And whereas 25 years later, we continue to remember the victims who were taken from their families, friends, colleagues, and communities. and we honor the courage and sacrifice of the first responders emergency personnel military members and countless others who answered the call to serve and whereas the town of yorktown mourns the loss of five of its own residents who perished on september eleventh two thousand and one patrick william donaghy simon m dedvikaj allen wayne friedlander paul fiore and barry j mckeon and whereas patrick simon allen paul and barry were valued members of the yorktown community and their lives families friendships and contributions remain an enduring part of the fabric of our town representing not merely the statistics of a tragic day but five individual lives families and countless relationships forever changed by the events of September 11th 2001 and whereas on this 25th anniversary the town of Yorktown joins with families neighbors communities throughout the Hudson Valley and people across our nation in solemn remembrance of all those who lost their lives And whereas we recognize that remembrance carries a responsibility to preserve the memory of those we lost, to support the families of loved ones who continue to carry their loss, and to ensure that future generations understand the significance of September 11th and the profound impact it had on our nation and our community and whereas twenty-five years have passed yet the memory of september eleventh two thousand and one endures reminding us of the preciousness of life the strength of community and the importance of standing together in times of adversity now therefore be it proclaimed that the town of yorktown hereby commemorates the 25th anniversary of september 11 2001 and solemnly remembers the lives lost that day with special recognition and profound respect for the five yorktown residents who perished and be it further proclaimed that the town of yorktown extends its deepest sympathy and enduring support to the families, friends, and loved ones of those five members of our community, and to all who continue to carry the memory of those lost on September 11, 2001. Is there anyone in the room who experienced loss of a friend or loved one either through 9-11 or through any of the 9-11 illnesses? Janet, who... Your sister-in-law, our deepest condolences. Could you give this to your husband for me then? All right. We'll now jump into personnel. We will accept the retirement of Robert Reddy from the Highway Department, effective October 31st, 2026. I'm going to skip the next one. We'll do these two and then we'll go back. Appoint Craig Armstrong as a member of the Heritage Preservation Committee, effective September 8th of 2026. May I have a motion on those two?

Motion. Second.

All in favor? Aye. And now we have this young man in our room, and to me this is a testament of our youth, of our school, and to the parents of this young man who at 18 years old, thankfully 18, I don't want to be accused of child labor laws being broken when we appoint you to this high paying volunteer job. We have a motion to appoint Henry Quintanilla as a member of the Climate Smart Task Force effective September 8th of 2026. Can I have a motion?

I will definitely make that motion.

I will proudly second it.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Henry, congratulations. Can you come on? Come on up to the microphone and say a few words.

I just want to say thank you for letting me have this opportunity to help the community and really get the experience for my future career. Thank you.

Thank you, Henry. Thank you. Yeah, it's great to see one of our youth rise up and want to contribute to the community. I know you're going to college this year, so a heavy schedule. And you know what? To make that time for your community means a lot. And Godspeed in all of your future endeavors.

Come back up here a second. You ran away on us.

Yeah, I have a question. Could you tell us, when we interviewed you, you told us what you'd like to do as a member of that committee and what skills that you bring to the committee, which will be an asset to the committee, which is important. When we appoint volunteers, we like to know that they have a specific skill or experience that they can contribute, and you certainly showed that. So why don't you explain that?

So yeah, as a youthful person, I feel like I would bring students and other kids and connect the gap between more adults and then the kid force and help. branch that in between and also to give that experience of wanting to help knowing the environment more and to really to understand that and also I would be able to do is the social media for the task force also getting the data and putting into spreadsheets which is adding technology part of it

I think he'll be a valuable addition, thank you.

Hold on, no, wait, I gotta get a picture of you. Put both hands on the edge of the, on the edge like this, on the edge, yeah. All right, there you go, now you're looking sharp, hold on. There we go, see, they got the newspaper coming up for this picture right here. All right, look at her. Now look at Miranda. There you go. Thank you. I get now a commission on that, right?

An honesty for. Thank you, Henry.

Henry, thank you so much. We're really looking forward to your help.

And for someone that's making a commitment to go to college and you're making a commitment to volunteer on this board, even while you're away at school, thank you.

It could be argued by some that, as you're talking about bridging the gap with the generations, that our generation maybe came to the game a little too late. at least not everyone, and it's all for the future and for all your generations and the generations to come, and it's important that your generation steps forward now and does the work that needs to be done. So thank you.

Great. We are going to move forward with our next discussions. We have Rayburn Consulting coming up. We'll be led off by our water department. Mr. Waterhouse, Mike, you guys want to come up and introduce our guests? You're right after that, Kathy. So did you need to get out? Were you sure?

So we're gonna skip we're gonna go to support connection and Kathy Quinn

Thank you very much everyone to the town board and all the members of the community. Greatly appreciate being here. This is a wonderful month for us. We will be celebrating our 30 years of offering free support services to people dealing with breast, ovarian and other gynecological cancers. We've helped over 20,000 people in those 30 years and we couldn't possibly do it without the support of this wonderful town and all the people in it, the businesses and individuals. I'm here tonight also to welcome everyone to join our walk. This will be our 32nd walk on October 4th in FDR Park in Yorktown Heights. We welcome everyone to come. It's a great family event. We come out to celebrate life, remember loved ones, and increase the awareness that there are support services available to all those who need it. And if you don't want to walk that day or can't walk in FDR Park, we invite people to walk in communities throughout the nation. But on behalf of all the people we've helped, I can't thank you from the bottom of my heart. I've been the director there from before the beginning, helped to create it. And it's just amazing all the people that have been helped. And even in the toughest times, even when things don't have the outcome you want, it's so important to have the support. And this town has been wonderful in being behind us every step of the way. Thank you.

Kath, what time does that walk start?

The pre-walk is at 9 a.m. and then the walk starts promptly at 10 a.m. October 4th. Yes, October 4th. Does anybody have any questions?

Well, I do. Is that the only event coming up for you guys? I think you have a couple of others.

Yeah, we have one on this Thursday evening at the Briarcliff Manor. We'll be having an anniversary celebration, too. Just appreciate everything. Again, it's not one person. I am being honored that night, which is a tremendous honor, but it's not about that. It's about the community getting together and all the people that have always been welcoming and supportive. Many of you, all of you here. So thank you.

You have the support of the whole board, but I do know that some individuals, and at least I believe Dave Paganelli and Diana Quast are actually board members. Yes. And I'm grateful for, I know you're grateful for our assistance, but I'm grateful to all of you who've stepped forward to serve on your board.

Well, thank you. Thank you, Diana and Dave.

I think Lonnie was just offering to be on your board.

There had been discussions at some point.

And Kathy, I think you have something else coming up. There's like some musical bingo night.

Oh yes, there is actually a social activity on the September 19th being held at the Gamehouse Grill. It's trivia and music trivia and music bingo and trivia, that a gentleman does that. And it's going to just be an evening for families and people to come out and you can look on our website supportconnection.org about that.

And while you're on supportconnection.org, these folks here that do so much for our community survive on donations. So if you could donate while you're on there, that would be a big help.

Thank you. And I'm very proud to say that every bit of donation that comes in, we always have gotten an A-plus rating for our audits, and we've been blessed to be rated a great not-for-profit for 13 years in a row. because of the way that we do manage our finances and we put our donations back into the program.

For those who may want to help but may not have the funds, can they volunteer at something like The Walk?

Yeah, and we would always welcome volunteers. Again, just call our office number, 914-962-6402. There's also an opportunity online to sign up. And we have a store in Chappaqua, an upscale resale shop, and it's a great place to shop, donate, and volunteer. So thank you for helping me cover all the bases here. Thank you.

I really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Kathy. Good luck. And sorry, Carol, I can't make Thursday, but I think we're doing the one on the 19th.

Good. We welcome everyone always, and I appreciate it. Thank you. We're very lucky to be in this town. As I reflect on the 30 years, we began with nothing, with a small office in the Roma building because of the kindness of Grace Roma, and we didn't expect to be around 30 years, but I'm certainly glad that we are. Thank you. We are, too. We are, too. Thank you.

Absolutely.

Have a great night.

Thank you to the consulting firm who let me go ahead, because I do have another meeting. You saw that in my face. Thank you.

No problem. All right, we're going to jump back to Rayburn Consulting.

Good evening. Good evening everyone my name is James Waterhouse I'm the water meter foreman for the Yorktown Water Department a few months ago we had some questions in regards to the data that flows between the Yorktown Water District and the Northern Westchester Joint Water Works office give a little history joint waterworks does our billing administration and scheduling they have been for well over 20 years now we did find a couple of questions within that information so with the board's permission we were able to hire rayburn consulting to conduct an audit of that information Tonight, I'd like to bring forward that information. I'd like to introduce Drew and Anne-Marie from Rayburn Consulting, and I believe they're going to have some information to help this process along.

Very good.

Thank you, I'll start. Thank you for, was Kathy? Yes. That was great. What an act to follow, that's incredible. Ours is not gonna be as exciting and fun. Are you sure?

James is saying he's been up every night rereading everything.

The impact it's gonna have on them is different, but for goodness, I think she's got to speak.

Thank you for letting them jump ahead.

Oh, it was great, that was great. And congratulations, that was, we're in a lot of board meetings, and sometimes they're quite lengthy and boring, and it was exciting of everything that was done. So I'm gonna start off with a little bit of context. Rayburn Consulting, Anne Marie is the CEO and founder. The company was founded in just six years. It's gone from one account to over 170. And that includes, we are doing the Miami Dade AMI water system conversion, the largest in the history of the United States. And Rayburn was selected to do the data analysis to configure all of the systems that are coming together. At the same time, we do some water departments that have maybe 130 accounts that you can't visit them in hunting season, but we work with everybody. But when it comes to data, that is our primary concern. The data, it doesn't matter what people think, it's in the data. We were asked to analyze the data from your... AMI system is your meter reading system that talks live. It gives live data as it happens. Basically, you guys bought a Ferrari, for a car analogy. The billing system is the transmission of your Ferrari and you happen to currently have basically a 1976 Ford Pinto transmission.

So that's exactly the car I was thinking about when I knew where you were going.

Would it be lime green?

Mine was brown, and I was 17. I do say this, and please bear with us. We don't say things we don't stand behind or believe in. In working with your water department, they have proven to be absolutely exceptional in what they are trying to accomplish. and their focus on professionalism and excellence is inspiring to us. And Anne Marie is the data geek of all of our team, so if when she starts talking about the data you see these little antennas from My Favorite Martian pop up, that's it. This team has shown they have done an incredible job of getting that live AMI data system needs to be compared daily to your billing system data.

I read the report and I would ask you because and it's also for me but this is for town information the population of our town I would like you to when you as you speak and you talk about the different The acronyms or the initials that you explain and you explain what AIM is or, you know, so that we... Thank you. Everyone has an idea. We have a lot of acronyms. Thank you.

So your AMI system is an advanced metering infrastructure, which means that you have some collectors that are positioned or like a cell tower. So they're positioned on various locations throughout the community. And on your meter, you have a radio. that transmits the information to those collectors and you're getting your information on an hourly basis or it's calculating your hourly usage which what that does for the community is it enables you to identify if there's a leak or if there's an issue in your water system in your home So you can identify the leaks in burst pipes much sooner than if you were just reading your meter on a quarterly basis or a monthly basis. So it's giving you more immediate information about what's going on in your home but on the district or on the the water department it's enabling them to identify those issues and identify where you might have issues in your distribution system as well so it's giving you more information in a more timely manner so that your water department can be more proactive and In the long run, what that does is it helps you so that you're actually capturing as much revenue as you're pumping. So it should decrease your water loss and increase the revenue for the town to be able to support what you need to maintain the infrastructure.

Thank you. The same point, what does it do for the consumer? The point Anne Marie made, I'm away. I don't know I have a leak. It will tell you in the middle of the night you had water consumption. It means you have a leak. You can notify yourself and save yourself money.

Or even your toilet didn't.

Toilet costs a lot of money.

The flapper didn't close right.

I will tell you right now, a running toilet is currently about $87 a month.

Well, in my own home right now, yes.

She found it accordingly.

And I found it, but not because my community does not have an AMI system. And so I just happened to be able to identify that on my own.

As the CEO, she better. That's all I'm going to say.

I think it's more than $87, though. It depends.

But the issue is, so that being said, we looked at the data. We looked at how your department is operating. We looked at the cost analysis. The one thing I believe you guys all have, and there's a lot of stuff and we don't want to I don't think everybody in this room wants to hear all the details. But to be somewhat, we gave you a summary. I'm going to call out recommended next steps, item number five that calls out the expenses. And in that, you're currently paying about $265,000 a year. We are recommending a new CIS program. The term CIS is for your customer information system, your billing system. We are recommending that you get your own billing system. Cost for that is going to be, including implementation, first year about $125,000. That's it.

So you wouldn't use Joint Water Works anymore? Not in the current situation. Okay.

And the reason behind that is that the billing system that they are using right now is not heavily compatible with the AMI system that you have currently.

Our Ferrari.

It can integrate, but it's not allowing you to take advantage of the real-time and proactive measures that you need to be able to take advantage of. It does not provide regular synchronization between the databases. And when the data gets out of sync between those databases, what happens is it gives a false perception that your AMI system is not working. And your AMI system is working just fine. fully functional but because the billing data is lagging behind that system it's not able to keep up and make sure that you've got all of the information up to date can you break down or not in detail but in more general terms you said if we switch to the in-house billing with an up-to-date system you said 125 000

Could you break that down? Is that software or is that staff that we would need?

So that would be this. I'll use the term SAS, which is the software as a service. So that software license is going to be, we got budget numbers. We added 15% to them just so that there's some competitiveness in there. But you're looking at about $40,000 a year for the license. And the implementation is around $50,000. Is that a one-time charge? That's the one-time charge. We put in a budget number, and that's why it's budget, because we didn't give you a formal proposal on it. That's what we specialize in, in making that happen. So we have our number in there, too.

So the recurring fees would be $40,000 a year for the license currently?

Roughly, yeah, plus 5% escalation.

And to be clear, that's not our software. Those are vendors that we trust and recommend for our clients.

cloud-based it's hosted we don't got to get any hardware and we don't have to maintain exactly and it will connect to your ami system it we require it have a portal for your customers to not only pay their bills but also see their ami data so it's all in one this is that's what we require will would this require an additional staff to do the billing yes so you can either hire somebody to do the billing or we do billing we didn't include that in there we do it for yonkers and a bunch of other people we augment we would help them to transition the the gap analysis that we saw this project took us four months it was budgeted for a month

That was largely because we were- Delayed in data. We had challenges in getting the data, getting access to the data, which you own.

Yeah, this is- That's a typical thing. This is an important aspect, and it may be something that our town attorney may have to get involved in. We've had an agreement, and being a former supervisor, Susan and Ed, all having been either current supervisors or former supervisors, we are the liaison to the joint waterworks. And that was created, that whole system was created under, I believe, Aaron Bach, when he was the supervisor of the town. So we're going back over 20 years. And the issue would be, we have an agreement. with joint waterworks and as I don't know whether or not part of that agreement is the billing aspect and has there been any discussion about implement you implementing your ideas with joint waterworks Lonnie just just so you're aware I have notified asked Margaret and Adam to pull the IMAs just to check it I do know that

Northern West North Northwest as a joint waterworks is concerned if we leave the billing right because it's more for them to divide But the fact that they're concerned about us leaving the bill billing means that it's an option for us But we are we are we will There's an IMA We're gonna look to see if it's contracted on what we have to stop so I have a question for you I

So you potentially do billing because if we need people to do billing, we're probably going to need more than one person. We're going to have to pay all sorts of pensions and there's health care. I'm assuming that you would act like you would be the intermediary and do the billing for us and you would take a percentage of what's billed.

No, we charge a flat rate. We charge time and materials only.

yeah we don't are so is it a flat rate or is it time and materials because those are two different we work two different ways so if you need us for assistance when you fill in we don't give a big proposal look you need us for four hours we charge you four hours um that's the way we work with our customers you guys are considered a current customer um so with that um Budget numbers you'd be looking at. For us to do the billing and the exceptions, it would be a very specific scope, so I don't want to make it light. It would be about $50,000 a year. That does not include your financial part of paying your bills or customer service. Customer service has to be local. Any place we work, it's not good for your customers.

So we're talking 40 for the software license. After the implementation, after all the one-time charges, we're skipping through that, right? Yeah. We're talking about 40 plus 50. We're talking about 90. Yep. And I guess offline, I'd have to speak to you about what the billing, the volume of billing is. What are we bringing in on a yearly basis on this new system, on this better communication system that we're getting real-time data so where our bills are going out, the billing becomes more efficient. So we would like to know what numbers those are.

It's significant. I mean, your water department waiting for data that they need when they install a meter. There was one situation where 60-something meters were installed. Only 43 went into the billing system, and that was found. way after the fact, right? That needs to be, you should know that within about 48 hours. We had to wait three to four weeks per data load. That should be print, file, transfer, done.

Well, and the fact that your team cannot access the system to even just to run reports is to audit the data and make sure that their system is operating properly is not a good thing.

That's a joint waterwalk issue, right? That's where that comes from.

It's whatever the communication is and just, you know, the contract you have, how we could help. We're here representing you guys. That's it. And so what your system is and what we saw in the – water department and the personnel and the dedication was exceptional so it made this even worse because yeah so our recommendations based on the data and again the larger report we would recommend we will answer any questions after the fact we did give a proposal to basically do introduce you to those other vehicles the other cars software to do the analysis figure out what's good make sure it meets the specifications that this the town once is aware of like you guys might not have known that you mean a customer can go to a portal pay their bill and see their ami data that we paid five million dollars for like and our community isn't able to access it, well, you mean they already make that in one piece?

That's an extremely valuable. A huge.

It is, and it's going to reduce complaints. It's going to reduce the number of estimated bills. Or create complaints. It can, but what it does is it helps them become self-aware so then they can. self-help to some degree also and it the number of estimated bills is you know if it will reduce the number of estimated bills that you have and estimated bills are just a dangerous thing for any utility because you run the risk of over estimating and then it perpetuates itself the longer it continues to happen

So these other players, the SAS, the software as a service that these, these are people that you know, integrate with our existing AMI, they already have integration in place, they already, we're not going to get hit because we have to build some new we don't let that happen.

So part of that our proposal is you will see the scope that we are requiring them to do during the interview process, when the folks from the water department or finance, whoever else is going to be involved, They do the demos, they explain it. Every question that is asked, documented and goes into the scope so if you ask them does it have this and they say yes we have them show it because there's a lot of yes answers compared to what it actually does and then that gets incorporated in the scope then finalize the proposal you guys execute what you want between the ones um you choose and then and then you guys come in we help them get the data that you guys have configure the way you want it done

then they work with us and we expedite that process and we call that the the buck in the quarter the 125 that we talked about yes that's that part then we got the forty thousand dollars which that's included in the first year first year you pay that forty thousand so it takes six to nine months yeah this is a this is a in-depth process so now now post that post that and let's say hypothetically We go with the we have the licensing fee. And we have we decide to hire you guys at the 50. That's the flat rate, the 50 that that would be the fixed fee.

So question what is the I'm sorry, if the ad and users will that go up?

You'll see the range. So they charge by the account. So it's basically up to 10,000. You guys are currently at how many?

Yeah, they'd probably put you at 11,000. Number of meters. Number of meters. Yeah, I get it. But for end users, typically they want to be, the ones that we recommend, we don't like having them charge per user licenses. It should be on the volume of data that's being stored and maintained. Yeah.

So I didn't see it in the report. I might have missed it. So hypothetically, if we did go with the 40 and the 50, and that's 90 after the 125, right? Year two would be 90, right? And moving forward with the 5%, right? What is the ROI on that? What's the return on investment for us as a town?

significant i mean what's in there what's the significance of you guys you guys are looking at a savings right there of over 150 000 right off the bat 160 and if we could get more data out of the joint waterworks we could probably do more of an analysis for you and also what it's going to do to your entire water department staff the impact it has on your finance department collecting the money and and your customers you can add it up it it's for us again we're not selling you the software and it's it's a matter it's too good to be true and that's why our team you know we got off a call with you guys the other day and ethan the project manager said these guys are a pain to work with because it was just so good

We like our water staff. They're pretty nice guys. They're good-looking, too. Look at those. They're two good-looking guys. Look at them. We have a great, great water staff. And we require that they press their shirts. And look at that. Look at that. I mean, these are good-looking guys. So we're looking at right now with your preliminary analysis and not all the data, we're looking at an ROI of about $60,000 a year starting year two.

Just in the savings of what you're paying joint water workers?

Because you're saying we'd save $150,000, it's costing us $90,000. I'm very simple. I know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide.

$265,000 is what you're paying. So it's going to go from $265,000 to $125,000 year one. Year two, even with us doing the billing or somebody else or whoever, you're looking at $150,000 a year in savings.

and that's not with the additional that we're actually billing efficiently and what we're going to be all that extra value is just amazing we don't know what that number is though all right i have a question on that on that 265 that we're currently paying for joint waterworks is that 265 for them handling the building or everything they're doing your billing they're

But there are other things that they do. They're providing us with our water. So I'm just asking. Separate line item.

Separate line item.

So the 265 is strictly for the billing.

Administration.

Okay, so that's a savings. And we're talking about the lost revenue because of the inefficiency of the system. We're losing out. double because we're losing out on our water consumption and remember we're going to a new system for how we're paying for sewers starting in 2027 which will be built on water consumption so it is a it's like a triple savings two on the water consumption billing and one on the savings for joint waterworks not to mention the administrative efficiency james i want to thank you and paul for pushing this forward, okay? I have one final question. So I want to thank you for that. And if you said it would take six to nine months to implement this?

After selection.

the selection Adam you have to tell us as soon as you can reading the joint waterworks IMA it's obviously a notification system if we want to stop billing them so we have to coordinate I also wonder if there's the possibility I don't know whether I mean they seem to be

setting up an issue when you say they weren't open with the data to you the question is would i don't know i guess and this would be for the supervisor to determine whether or not he could deal with the supervisors of all the other towns and see if the Water Works would be willing to utilize your services rather than as a cost savings to the entire Water Works.

Yeah, so Lonnie, the reason this exercise per se started was other than the lack of communication that James was experiencing as he was trying to go through this stuff, Some of our residents were having the same lack of communication back the customer service aspect was Was severely lacking. I did I did thank you sir. I did bring it up with Westchester joint waterworks. They are aware of our concerns Our comptroller spoke to them our tax department spoke to them. They were all having issues getting stuff getting stuff on time and Honestly, if you played dominoes This could be the the first tile going down and it it will hopefully go that way if it'll save our Well our constituents money and in the constituents around us because everyone's hurting so but this hope this all started because we weren't getting the the proper information and I'm not convinced that they want to acknowledge the fact that there could be an internal problem.

Okay, that's good. I think, I mean, I'm in IT. And so typically, even when you're dealing with other phone companies, I do phone systems. Just a simple trying to get the phone numbers that you're trying to port over is very difficult. No one on the other side who knows that they may lose the account is going to be forthcoming. That's just terrible. well my question is is we're looking at 265 we're looking at 125 we're going back to the numbers i'm a numbers guy right yeah um i guess the main question is what is joint waterworks doing for us at forget the separate line item we we got that we understand that but the 265 what is that what are they doing at 265 that you wouldn't be doing

We wouldn't be doing customer service. Okay. And so we won't do customer service, and we don't handle any of the deposits. So if they are, I don't know, does your finance department get the bills once the customer sends it? Does it go to you or process by? It goes to you. Who's collecting the money? Our tax department does. What we would do is we would have it go to your tax department, your finance department.

So we're collecting the money anyway, and the only thing that we would be missing would be customer service. That's it. Am I clear on that?

Yeah, you're basically removing the middleman, handling the customer service with somebody who's local that could potentially live in the community, and having somebody else help with the billing.

So James, on the customer service, how would you handle that? Microphone. Sorry.

So the volume of calls would certainly increase. I would expect that we would have a few more people coming to our office to pay bills, ask questions. I've asked myself this question, what is that volume? I really don't know. We would certainly expect a significant uptick. um but exactly how much i really can't say for sure but it would be what we do already you know we answer the phone we're in the building um we respond to calls for service um it would possibly just be a little bit more

I'm more interested in the in this whole thing I get it it's 265 125 for me that tells me I got I got a buck 40 to play with for your customer service what I'm what I'm very interested in is the efficiency moving forward You're telling me that a significant portion, 20 meters, didn't get on the rolls for four weeks. That's a lot of money.

I'm glad we caught those.

Yeah, no, I get it. And I think the whole transition would be one big super giant audit on our entire system, which we'll pick up on some stuff that we've been missing out on. So that's really where I'm looking at this. The initial numbers, the outlay, I get it all, you know, that's, you know, but, you know, moving forward. But we will have to be providing customer service and there will be an uptick. There will be something more significant. So the savings initially and ongoing on a monthly, on a yearly basis may not be the difference between 265 and 125 it might be somewhat less but we will pick up on the more efficient billing the more timely billing and all of that stuff so and better customer service i think there could be some unrealized returns you know once the data does get straightened out um

James real quick if they're talking about the leak if there's a leak does that call are you guys notified it's not the end user is it so with the customer portal it would be twofold so the customer could get a notification if they signed up for it which is something that we have in place today

the second notification would also be to us to our office that you know a long time ago this system was sold as we're going to push a button and all of our troubles are going to go away with the push of a button it actually works i i did not think it did it actually works it's got to get managed correctly and the information There's mountains of information for us to be able to utilize and to help our customers understand. This past winter, I don't even know how many doors we knocked on for things that we saw in the portal where we said, holy cow, this account used 2,000 gallons in the last 24 hours. Prior to that, there was no consumption for a week. That's usually a red flag for us that, hey, there's something wrong.

I know of at least four or five that that happened with.

there was several this past winter and that is the there's a vacation mode in the current system we have today where i recommend to people i'm like listen if you're going away in february if a gallon of water passes through your system have it send you an alert you can have a family member neighbor somebody come check on the property um because we did have a couple of homes destroyed in town this past winter from flood damage um that

potentially could have been avoided or mitigated to some degree those are the new meters going out there people can sign up and Download an app and be able web-based so they you could just sign up and it'll send you an alert You don't have the intrusive app on your phone, you know It's that's the customer service that we're sort of that Sergio was alluding to that We're gonna get better customer service if we go down this path. Absolutely. I

I have a couple of questions. The first is this is all very impressive and I think this is terrific. The potentials here are terrific. I'm worried about and obviously Yorktown is my and it should be our first priority. I wonder about how this will affect our relationship with Joint Water Works and that will be looked into that's that's one of the things And I think that we ought to look at also two possible, I see two possible scenarios. One, that we take over our own billing and we utilize your services and we have our own customer service. But there's always the issue of whether there's savings in scale. And what I'm trying to, I wonder if we ought to investigate whether or not, and again, this could be broached by our supervisor to the other supervisors. whether or not they'd be willing to switch the system because the system is not a good system at Joint Water Works. At least that's what we're hearing. So if we can improve that system, maybe... we should do a global fix. But that's just another thought. And my third question is, by getting all this data and the better data and the the more the quality data uh... will this also potentially help us with our infrastructure in terms of water main breaks and uh... and whether or not uh... you know this can uh... be a somehow uh... help us in that regard looking going forward that's a question i hate the new meters do you have pressure sensors and a lot of them so

we're currently handcuffed in a way of really utilizing that data um but moving forward we do have some very useful data that is around us right now that could help us detect if there was an issue in a certain part of town just based on pressure alone um and whatever the town board decides is what we will do my concern would be if we went uh northern westchester auditing the time that that might take, and I believe it would be to our detriment if it were to be strung out. And ultimately, even if we do have some cost savings or larger cost savings, I think the control over your own data, your own system, I believe that that is worth something. Okay.

Those are just questions I think that should be posed when you have the discussions with Water Works.

Yeah, well, I will tell you, though, we need to throw one thing out the window right off the bat. Are we going to hurt their feelings in North and West? No, I'm not meaning hurting their feelings.

No, I know. They're supplying us with water.

I understand that, and we're supplying them with a lot of things as well. But our sole responsibility is Yorktown and our taxpayers, absolutely. If the savings are there, the system is better, everything is a positive except the fact that Joint Water Works is going to have to scramble a little bit for their thing. I love the people I work with there and the meetings, all the other supervisors, but my responsibility stops at our borders. I agree 100%. Wait, what was that, Susan? I agree. You agree with me? I agree.

And also, I don't even know- This guy's shocked. I don't even know, yeah. I don't even know if- Hold on, you struck my lightning. Hold on a second.

You don't even know, Susan?

I don't even know if the other systems, if Cortland and I think Montrose have the FlexNet system, the census system that has this automated thing, which we put in when I was supervisor and it took years for the board. to complete it okay and I think it took for a board member who's not on the board anymore perhaps to have a leak an undiagnosed leak in his house to realize the value of completing a system that was started in 2010 This is a no-brainer, and I just urge you, I'd like to hear from the IMA how soon we can notify Joint Water Works that we're saying thank you for your service. Goodbye.

There are a few more steps, but thank you.

But he did mention that it's... the system that we have now that we spent so much money on doesn't properly integrate with joint waterworks system. I mean, that's it.

That's a full stop right there, right? Their program has to bring together multiple manufacturers, so they have Badger, they have Neptune, and then they have ours with Census. The program they're currently using does bring those all under one umbrella, but you don't get all of those features that you should be getting out of each individual product. It doesn't properly integrate. Yeah.

all right no problem susan thank you so much i have no other questions but i just want to say one thing for everybody here um our when i mentioned the verbal of our price for uh doing the billing it's tentative it's it's that's not the focus for us right now you guys have some serious problems we want to help that's an option we would also help train if you did hire internal people we do that in a multitude of cities so just so you know it's a service we offer you guys are kind of in transition that's why we threw it out there the one thing i want to say Hearing James talk about the frozen meters and proactive, I've never heard that in any of the utilities we work in of somebody going door to door. So you guys do have something. And I also want you to know the data that you guys are getting, everybody assumes that the water coming out of the spigot is just clean. You need as much information as possible to let them do their job. That's our focus here, and they are not getting what they need to protect the system for the next 100 years. So that's the main focus that I wanted to call out. Thank you for all the great questions. If you need anything, they know how to get a hold of us. Henry, thank you so much as well. Thank you.

Thank you again, James, and to Paul for pushing this forward. And Mike, thank you as well.

Thank you for allowing us to get to this point. Thank you. Thank you. Great.

Thank you, gentlemen. Susan, when you first started the census program, what did Northern West District Joint Water Works say when you said this is the meters they think we should go with?

It was our decision to change the meters. We didn't change the billing. We just changed the meters and we put this system in with the automatic radio read so we would have this instantaneous feed so people could get notified back then about suddenly your water consumption went up and the way the system was programmed at Joint Water Works with a person who was since retired, Cliff, he could give you a notification if he saw the records that your consumption went up, whether he'd get a phone call or a letter or whatever, and he would say, check your toilet, or did you suddenly have a lot of people coming and living in your house, or whatever the change was. So that system was in place with the new meters that started to go in.

Was their system compatible with using the same metering system? Because it seems like the...

The problem that... Rayburn discovered multiple problems. One is that the joint waterworks wasn't properly, the sinking with the billing. I think his analogy at the beginning explained it all. The Ferrari meter system and the- Ford Pinto transmission. The Ford Pinto, the billing system is out of date. We have, over the years, updated the billing system and the software systems for multiple departments. We did it just recently for the police department. We've done it.

No, I understand, Susan.

My question was on the- Over the years, there have been multiple discussions about changing the billing.

My question was, at that time, was it an incompatible program at that point?

That was not an issue. It was not considered an issue at that time because we didn't change the billing. It wasn't discussed. But over the years that I've been involved in Yorktown, there have been multiple times when the question came up, should we take the building in-house?

Let's move through to- So I think we have to move forward on this because the savings- Susan, let's get all of our information and we'll talk about it as a board. Yeah, no question about the savings. Thank you. We have to move forward. Ansonia Lodge, proposed park. Gentlemen, good evening, Robin. Yeah, you can. Well, you should be able to do it.

If you just open up a browser and you type in 10.254.250.10, it's going to ask you for a code. You're going to download a little applet, and you're going to stream HDMI over the wireless. Works pretty good. And it will stream your audio too.

I don't understand that something. I thought the kid's supposed to be the computer expert.

He's just here observing. All right.

We were playing with the whole thing.

Gotcha. You got to put HTTP colon slash slash in front of it. No, you don't. It doesn't? Good, that's it. Your computer's doing it. Okay, go on, Robin.

You can download it.

You connect it to the local Wi-Fi, right? Yeah.

All right. It's not going to do it. He needs to plug it in. He needs to plug it in. Apple doesn't really work well with this system.

Oh, it doesn't? So if he wants to plug it in, he can. Use your HDMI cable.

We tried to do this the last night.

No, that's what I'm saying. Is it a Mac? Is that a problem?

Yeah, yeah. It's a Mac. Sorry about that.

They're more sensitive to certain breaking into the system. We know for next time. Sorry about that.

Before they start their presentation, hi, how are you? What number you in?

So you have to go to four.

You're only on three. There you go.

Okay. This is the Ansonia Lodge property. It's an application for commercial and residential site plan proposal on the Ansonia Lodge property, Route 6 in Mohegan Lake, that the planning board has received. This is a unique parcel in that it has both an historic building and is adjacent to an unimproved town park that's on the lake. therefore during the pre-application meeting with the planning department we pointed these things out to them with the hopes that they could design a plan around saving the building and improving the park which are two goals actually in the comprehensive plan so tonight jd william and randy are here to present their proposal and get your initial feedback on it

Your proposal or their proposal?

Their proposal.

Our proposal that incorporates their request. Thank you for the intro, Robin.

No problem. Just make sure no freaky stuff comes on there, man.

You know what I mean? Do you want to see a ball game or something?

You never know what pops up, you know what I mean? I mean, the ball game would be.

Better than. What'd you say, judge is coming back, right?

Yeah, I heard that.

Let me just see what he did. Don't tell anybody if you got hurt. I love him, I love him like a son, but I bet he struck out.

Should we wait for supervisor? Can that be, can that screen? Yep, I'll speak to that.

Struck out.

thank you is that good fine i want the public to be able to see it too so a little they want the public to see it happy medium that's good all right don't pull that thing man it took too long to get it to work he struck out his first event he flew out should we wait for the supervisor

uh nice he probably has seen this so why don't you go ahead okay sure so good evening uh as robin mentioned this is a proposal for 1860s main street otherwise known as insonia lodge The property is 4.6 acres with split zoning. There's an acre on Route 6, which is commercial zoning, C2, and then 3.6 acres in a residential district, R3. There's a picture right there of Ansonia Lodge. which we know as Rob mentioned is in the comprehensive plan as something that is important to the town and they would like to see if we can incorporate that into our project so the proposal that we're presenting right now does just that where we would renovate in Sonia Lodge into becoming an amenity space for the rental units so currently there's 17 apartments on this this parcel um some of them are located in the lodge and a couple of eight i think it's the split eight and nine in what's called the annex um do we have a picture of the annex okay so in any event it They're old buildings. They're in somewhat disrepair, but they are currently rented, 17 units there. So what we're proposing is to do this project in two phases. Phase one would be the commercial building on Route 6, which would be about 5,000 square feet of retail space uh these pictures that we have here are those are ideas the the uh final design has not been yet determined but this is basically what we would want each of the buildings to look like so that that building on the left would be on route six which would be um we want to put something called salon suites uh which is essentially So one building with smaller suites set up for hair stylists, nail massage, things of that nature. It's basically a co-working for people that do personal services. And then that is a picture of potentially what the rental units would be in the back. so uh we we jumped ahead just just a little bit but we're proposing 40 40 units um so here we're talking about the commercial development what we're 40 total 40 total rentals yes was that your initial plan for this uh for this project yes okay yes so um the commercial commercial component of this is required at 22 spaces we're proposing 39 parking spaces um we we have this over parked because we we realize that 22 parking spaces probably doesn't work logistically for what we have with the retail component of it so we we have it over parked The residential development as we mentioned 40 units the required spaces parking spaces there would be 60 we have proposed that 69 spaces so we're also covered there.

How many of those parking spots are under the building.

So it hasn't fully been determined yet, but a large portion of them will be under the building. So as you notice, the building is on stilts. So there is covered parking and then two stories above it. So the majority of parking would be underneath the building. So as we mentioned earlier, preservation and reuse of Ansonia Lodge is important. It's in the comprehensive plan, so we try to incorporate that as best we can into the project. And we will repurpose Ansonia Lodge as an amenity space Again, if this is stolen in early phase of design, but basically would have like a rec room in a gym, you know, probably a co working space for residents if they wanted, you know, some, some quiet privacy to go in there and, and they could work there.

So the entire lodge would be repurposed for just that.

That's right. Yes, just amenity spaces. So Mohegan Lake and waterfront enhancement. So this is a very important component of the project. Right now, you can see those two pictures on the right-hand side. That's what it currently looks like on our parcel. So what we're proposing though is to the left, and we don't have the pictures in this, but we could show them to you once we get through this presentation. We're proposing a walking path and incorporating parkland, existing town parkland, incorporating that into the walking path, unlocking what's right now very underutilized space and really something that is is unsafe conditions is we we're going to show you guys some pictures right now it's being used people are coming up there that that shouldn't be they're drinking they're using drugs there's a picnic table this is on the park the town parkland uh there's a picnic table on there there's that You know, people obviously are coming there to congregate. There's a bunch of boats that are not supposed to be there, again, on the town parkland. And they're putting that into the lake, which, from what we understand, is not really what the town wants. But it's not being maintained by anybody. So we're proposing now that we would take over that parkland. We would put a pass-through going to Mohegan Boulevard. we would have public parking on on that that um parcel and then we would incorporate this walking path we could just go back a little bit randy we would incorporate that that walking path lighting um and we would uh reestablish the shoreline with with plantings make it so that boats can't be launched into mohegan lake as they currently are and also what's there right now again we'll show you some pictures that area is wooded on the on the town park land so we're not we're not suggesting that we should raise all of the trees that are there we would be selective in how we take down that the trees in there and clean up all of the debris and and and garbage that's currently there so that we could have a continued walking path but in that area will be more shaded right so we would keep the trees as we can we'd like the pathway and then as you come out onto our property it opens up a little bit more so everything would be integrated but it's a real improvement to the existing conditions on the space that's what the drive would look like coming through our existing park driveway right now coming out, making a left, and then going out onto Mohegan Boulevard. So what's important here is that this is bringing traffic onto where a traffic light is onto Route 6, rather than how it currently exists. Coming out onto where Route 6 is, they could go left or right. There's no traffic signal. It's really an unsafe condition. So this is another improved condition that we're proposing here. So we're trying to respect the property zoning as it is, again, putting the commercial building up front on Route 6 and then the multifamily on the R3 zoning.

Randy, go back to that slide, please.

Yes. Yeah, so can you see where that little arrow is? So that white section is the town-owned property currently, right? So green would be the residential, Blue is the commercial, and we would just incorporate the only thing that would be built on that current parkland is the walking path and public parking for them to be able to park and go on to the walking path.

And the roadway driveway.

That's correct. So there would be a pass group right there at the roadway that you'd go out on. those are some really mature existing trees that are beautiful that we just wanted to point out that we're we will keep we don't want to take down any mature trees that that we don't have to another good thing about this this proposal is that the construction of everything that we're doing is already on or has already been built so it's space that already has uh paving on it there's space that have already been cleared there might be some trees that have to come down on the commercial space up front but for the majority of the project we can we're going to do our best to maintain trees there's a lot of dead dead trees and things that need to be cleaned up but the mature trees we're going to incorporate so um you'll you'll see as we go through this and we put our formal application in there are a couple uh variances that we would need building height would be one of them and density is another the reason for those two things is to incorporate uh insonia lodge to be able to keep the lodge we besides the fact that it's very expensive right so um to renovate what's existing in that lodge and bring it up to uh current code and sprinkler and everything else is very expensive also what we're proposing with this pass-through and and the parkland is uh it's another expense that is going to be to the project that if we weren't doing that on on the town land and we weren't incorporating in sonia lodge the project could work on our own land but it's not it doesn't uh incorporate what the town is looking for on the comprehensive plan incorporating the the park and preserving ansonia lodge so with that what is the as of right amount of units you can have on that i think it's 35 as of right there. So it's not a huge uplift in density.

It's that 35 subtracting out the wetlands and the wetland buffer, which is required in the three zone.

Yeah, so there's discussion on that. And I think that's where we landed, right? It was 30. Was it 35?

With with the net billable area?

Might not even be that low. Yeah, it might it might have been 37. Yeah. And but yes, to answer your question, the answer is yes.

And what type of units are they? Are they single bedrooms, studio, two bedrooms?

They're one and twos.

All right, so go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

No, no, at the end, I'm here to answer questions. Oh, perfect. Yeah, so, oh, and the setback, yes. That was the other thing. So currently, the existing building of the annex is literally like right on the property line. So... the setback is 50 feet we're asking for 25 feet which would allow us the uh the roadway the proper turnarounds everything that we need it improves the existing condition but it would be a variance that we we would need

A question here. If you convert your the and so in your lodge, which we we agree would like to be preserved and you're going to bring it up to code for community building. Have you considered when you bring it up to code use converting it for housing for making some use the first of apartments?

No, that wasn't our intent.

You never looked at that option?

we don't think that it's really conducive for that there's low ceilings it's it's really not um it it wouldn't be easily rented um we think that the better plan is for that to be an amenity space uh people could go they can sit there they could you know look out on we put a patio out there they can you know look out onto the lake uh we think that it's a better solution for it to be a um amenities Well, yeah, and we weren't asking to add more units to the density of the project.

No, I'm just saying instead of having 40 in your new building, I'll just throw out a number, five, six in the lodge. I don't know how many square feet it is or how it would lay out. And having a smaller additional building, a second building. I'm just throwing that out as a question. Because sometimes old buildings are repurposed and turned into apartments. So I'm just asking a question.

uh yeah usually when you repurpose an old building it's like an office building and it's it's a much different type of uh repositioning than than this would be have you considered any affordable units as part of your 40. no sir um we don't have an affordable component here would you The economics on this project are very, very tight to start with when we're trying to incorporate all of the asks here. It really wouldn't work with affordability.

All right, so you're looking for the flexibility on this property. You're looking for a variance on the setback. You're looking for, I think the building's too long or longer than what's, so you're looking for something like that too? Yes. Just trying to like, you know, get an inventory of what you need.

Yep, yep. So it's the length of the building, the height. Yep, the height.

What would be the height, do you know?

40 feet.

What is the?

It is 40 feet.

The height is 40 feet.

The maximum is 40 feet.

The max in the zone is 40.

In an R3 currently it's 40.

And he would be at 40? Is that what we're saying? Well, you don't have to answer it now. We'll get to the bottom of it.

We will be at 40, but then that's all a mistake.

That's a good mistake. But anyway, so all right, so we'll get to the bottom of that, but that's a question I'm going to have and we'd like to get answered, right? Of course. And then the length of the building, where are we at with that?

So as it states right here, so the maximum is 180. And we're going to exceed that. It's the number. No, we'll have to get back to you.

Okay, no problem. I'm not expecting you know, so you got the height and then and then as far as the the adjacent Parkland property that's is it is it Parkland?

so okay there's some bad ones here so we went today just to take some pictures because uh there was a conversation we met with parks and rec um last week and i mean that's that's what's going on on you can see that picture right so okay um so anyway this is a wooded area of the the park um this is on this is the town land um we could show some of the debris and the boats which is important okay so there's somebody who's just a vagrant who's sitting at a picnic table i don't know how that got there some boats um they're using it as a launch it uh into mohegan lake so these are things that we're proposing obviously that would all get cleaned up we would take over maintenance of the property The shoreline we would plant so that it's not so easily accessible for boats to just be able to launch into the lake. You guys have a dock there which we would propose to remove. I don't think anybody really wants that there. And you can see as it is already set up, there's it is conducive for us to be able to put a walking path we might have to take some of these trees down but not many you know it's already spaced out it's not heavily wooded so we can get some some more pictures of boats i don't know what that graffiti is on there but you can see people are drinking and doing things that they definitely should not be in on that property how many public parking spaces does you play 12 12. do you have any sense in terms of

and i don't know that you can answer this but access public access to mohegan lake is an important goal for the community it's mostly considered a private lake and some people who live in mohegan who don't have access says i can't use it even though the town does own property on it and i guess i don't know who can answer this question what would the likelihood be of the public using of the public using those spots and coming and using the walking trail there as opposed to if they wanted access to a walking trail around mohegan lake going down to rock hill rock hill park which i don't know if you're aware of where that is i think it would still be open to the public that part right it's open true yeah we're not taking anything away we're just adding an option

you're maintaining it you're you're fixing it up yes you're going to maintain it on an ongoing basis but it's still going to be open to the public the general public yes and then what was your question about the path you i think you touched on something you're selling the um

You're selling the walking trail as an amenity for the town. Cleaning up parkland is one thing. We have lots of town-owned land, whether it's parkland or just town land that's places for litter. That's a given fact in your account. And I'm just wondering, the extent of public use on this trail and i'm thinking about the arrangement we made with underhill farms and their walking trail and really whether that's really going to be used for the public and in fact when i walked that trail recently it i i learned to my surprise that it was loose gravel that's not even ada accessible and i think around the that whole path is maybe one or two benches for the whole thing so your picture of a path looks lovely but i just wonder to what extent it's going to be used we have another example if it's not called a walking trail it's called a hiking trail that i think is one of the best kept secrets in yorktown and that's to lake osceola and that's off the um the optum parking lot And I wonder if anybody knows that that's there, even though there's a hiking trail sign there. So I just wonder about the use, because you're selling that as an amenity and worth the tradeoff to use town land. I don't know.

I'd like to rephrase that. So we're not selling this as an amenity. It's in the town's comprehensive plan that it was requested of the developer to try to introduce this. if you didn't want us to do it and you and you're saying it's not that important to us and and sony lodge isn't that important to us we could build a project with 35 units on our our land and we don't have to incorporate this this parkland at all and we don't have to incorporate in sony lodge

Well, don't you all, you need the access to Mohegan Avenue. We don't. I don't know that you would get the approval from DOT to have, you know, the traffic from 36 units plus your commercial going down on Route 6. That's a question.

I guess that is a question, and we can, you know, we would go down that path if that's what it was. But I just wanted to say, like, we're not... We're here to try to incorporate something together. So I'm not trying to sell you on anything. I'm just proposing what was asked, and we think that it's a good project for everybody involved. And then as far as your question, if we build it, will they come? I don't know.

By the way, I support housing, so that's a given. Okay. But I just have to weigh other things, and also the impact on the lake, which is a concern, I think, to everyone, especially the lake community.

So, you know, as part of the project, we would have a SWPPP on here. I think everything that we're suggesting is going to improve the conditions. We want to plant the shoreline, which would obviously improve what's currently on the parkland, but it would also improve our area.

Are there wetlands other than the lake itself? I mean, we're dealing with the setback, a wetland setback because of the lake, but there's no wetlands? Outside of the lake. Outside of the lake.

No.

This is just an issue for Robin to explore in the zoning code 22, section 22, the flexibility. can the town increase the density above that? The way I read it, it looks like you can. You can do all kinds of flexibility in terms of setbacks, height, things like that, and parking, but I don't know that you can increase the density. I raise that as a question. And again, I say this as somebody who supports housing. You should know that. So I have multiple concerns. I understand. But I do support housing. but i just raised that issue if you can clarify that section 2022 um point number two all right um what's the what's the current as of right uh in this zone in terms of the density 37 35 35 i think you said then so i i said 35 but robin corrected me i i think we're we were at 37. and is that with 150 foot setback for mohegan so it's easy

we have to do the numbers because we don't know I don't know the square footage of the wetland area of this property so we were estimating but the zoning regulation table says that you subtract the wetlands that are in chapter 178 yeah the extra 100 that extra 50 feet for Mohegan is in a separate section so I wouldn't subtract the entire 150 feet from this property to figure out the density because it's not what the bulk regulations say to do that's like an interesting little loophole well the point of the 150 feet is in the mohegan lake section about protecting the shoreline and a lot of access to the lake they're not near the lake with their development. But the actual footnote at the bottom of the bulk regulation says that you subtract the wetlands in chapter that are delineated in chapter 178.

Where will the impervious water run to?

there's stormwater they have well could you provide us with just your wetlands calculation with the 100 foot buffer and with 150 foot so we know what the net buildable area is because that that's the critical calculation for figuring out the if they are well if the whole hundred fifty

isn't part of it and our planning head is telling us that why would we calculate something that's not a part of it no at least a hundred and call it a loophole you have to count at least a hundred the question is the additional fifty But she just answered the question. She's going to look into it. If the additional 50 is not part of it, then it's just not part of it. We're not going to add the additional 50 just because you want it there. If it belongs there, if it belongs there, then that then then do the 150. But if it doesn't belong there, and we're going to rely on your expertise, Robert, to tell us that I have other concerns about it, the parkland next door, you know, this the affordable component, you know, so I think I think I think we got to work through a few things. That's all. And Robin, you'll let us know if it's 150 or 100 or 110 or 2,563. I don't know. So you'll let us know that.

Well, I'm telling you it's 100.

It's 100. There you go.

All right. Anything else for anyone?

No, and I think, are you going to make a presentation to the Mohegan Lake Association, the MLID?

If that's required, we'll present to whoever.

Well, it's not required, but just because they have a concern about the lake, and they're a very active group in terms of they have gone

unbelievable job of protecting and preserving that lake and i think anything that impacts the lake and this will certainly impact the lake is something a gentleman who's on the parks and recs no but we've been including ken belfer in our discussions about this property and if you would like a presentation who's here now yes they would like a presentation i'm sure they would be happy to give them a presentation separately

And Parks and Rec have chimed in in terms of what their requests would be?

They met with them on Thursday. I think they want to make a site visit before they finish with what their recommendations will be.

Fine. We'll hear what their recommendations are.

Last question. Will the parking, the 12 additional spaces, will they be offered to any of your tenants, or it's just going to be strictly public?

No, it's public parking. We're over, Paul. We're good.

I don't have any other questions right now. Thank you.

I will say I like the idea of the studio space for all the different, like hair, massage, and all that, the services. There's something similar down in White Plains. There is. And it seems like it works really well.

There's a waiting list for another one that was just built in Portchester. It's...

Yeah, that's like the latest trend. There's actually somebody here that they went to the space and they have a salon, a hair cutter, they do eyelashes. And it's one office space, but you walk in and there's different rooms for all of these things. That's what you're talking about.

Same thing. So it allows all of these professionals to become entrepreneurs. They're not working for somebody else in a salon. They all own their own businesses.

And there's an affordability. They don't have to buy a building. That's right.

Or rent a bunch of rooms. That's right.

And it could be either single or double. We'll offer some doubles. But, you know, everybody gets to control their own destiny.

shared electric shared garbage. I mean, I'm telling you, it's really it's it's it's a concept that has come, you know, into the market. And it's, it's, it's really grown some steam. It is. Yes.

Well, thank you again. Okay, thank you. Have a great night. Thank you.

I will move on Navajo fields with a proposed artificial turf.

You're welcome.

Hello, Dan. Good evening. So we received an app. Introduce yourself, Dan. Dan Ciarci, a town engineer. Glad to be here. Yes, I'm sure you are. So we received an application from Creative Living for their recreational use for one of their existing ball fields that's currently grass turf that they want to convert to artificial turf so the proposal would require laying down about two inches of crushed stone and covering over the existing grass and laying down the turf so based upon our excavation law that would trigger a non-administrative permit Severn, apart from that, are the wetlands issues So this application has a lot of moving parts and a long history, but there was a whole issue with the DEC that was ultimately settled through an order on consent with the DEC between the DEC and the applicant, and we have an email from the DEC indicating that those requirements of the order have been satisfied. Now obviously, the other thing is that we are, wetlands law is structured that's also a trigger for non-administrative permit if DC wetlands are involved So we would certainly reach out to them to make sure that they're still on board with this activity, which technically is in the buffer, but is in an area that's already been disturbed.

So there's- So you're proposing to reach out to DEC to find out if the administrative permit is still an available option? No, not administrative. Not administrative, whatever.

It needs to be for us.

Well, the DEC issue is to just make sure that all the conditions of the order between the DEC and the owner are still satisfied.

In order to issue the permit you want, you're saying?

Right, and it doesn't appear that it's a non-administrative permit. There's approvals that the town board was involved with. There was the DEC order and their permitting. There was also a planning board resolution, and there were other administrative permits that were issued through the years.

So it's a baseball field already. Which baseball field is it?

It's the one closest to 6N.

As soon as you drive in?

Let the maybe I'll just let yeah, yeah like right by 6m if you come off that way Where we it's where we know sure CJ Devin creative living

On the north end of the property, up against Mayapack Avenue, which is 6N, we have an area of about 204,000 square feet that's been approved for use as a soccer field. It's been that way.

Oh, so it's not an existing baseball field. It's not one of the two fields you have there, two or three. Yes, it is.

It is one of the fields that we have there. For soccer. In fact, for soccer, in fact- Not baseball.

Right, in fact- Because I know which one you saw.

The DEC approval provides photographs of the existing soccer fields in this area in an email from Sarah Pollock.

Pollock, yeah.

All of that's been given to the town engineer. The area was previously permitted pursuant to a site plan by the town. confirmation of its use its location the DEC compliance is in a letter that's joined and signed by a town supervisor with every agency what's happened is the DEC does not require a permit when you do a disturbance they will come out and monitor because we are proposing pervious materials

I understand that. I'm just trying to determine what field it is. So if you're coming in from 6N and you've got that long strip where people park sometimes, it's on the right. You come in from 6N.

Correct.

And it's on the right and you're proposing a...

Beyond the western end of the northern side of our property.

And you're proposing a soccer field, a turf soccer field there.

We want to change those fields from natural grass to turf. Soccer. Yes. Well, we... No, no. They're all universal fields. It's not a soccer and a baseball. We use soccer on the outfields of baseball. We've done baseball on the bottom. I think when you were over there with the YAC, we used the bottom for kids to throw. Universal fields.

Can you just clarify the permitting situation? We're assuming that all these consent order requirements have been satisfied, so that's closed. This change from grass to artificial turf, You said, I think you said it will require a town wetlands permit. Will it require, going back to DEC, will they have to?

We would notify DEC. It is pervious materials, so most likely they're not going to issue a permit other than they'll come out and monitor the fact that portions of it are in a buffer. However, which the engineer has not articulated to you, the DEC had us install stone walls and create mitigation in the areas directly between wetland and wetland buffer to make sure there was no further intrusion either north or west. So the area we're proposing the turf is exactly within the intermediary that they've already had us defined.

But will the stormwater, the volume of stormwater... Will not change at all. Or the retention ability... Will not change at all. Between artificial turf and grass? No.

I mean, actually, it probably improves a little bit because there's going to be two inches of stone under the turf. So you actually get a little bit of storage under the turf.

And the turf doesn't clump like grass, like where it falls root.

Years ago, we had a similar issue, and I don't remember how it was resolved, but you might want to look into it, Dan and CJ, with the driving range off of Lexington. That was a, you know, grass. It was undisturbed at the time before they put in the driving range, but then they put in the artificial. It's an artificial turf driving range, and I think they obviously had to get certain approvals, but you may want to.

We've already had the right. That's what Dan has in a packet. We've already had the right to disturb it. Right. The only issue is going from natural grass to artificial turf. I'm just saying you can. The DEC doesn't regulate.

Right. I'm just saying that at least just understanding how the artificial turf affects the land. Like you say, it may even be more beneficial in terms of stormwater because there will be layers of...

It's beneficial in an intermediary position. When Dan talks about the gravel collecting water, what Susan's referring to and stormwater is the natural course of the water will not change. Pitch doesn't change, direction doesn't change, collection functions don't change. The gravel is DEC preferable because it'll actually clean the water, but it is not in a management plan like a SWPPP going to change our SWPPP in any manner.

I understand.

The reason I understand we're here after working with Dan on this for the better part of 60 days, that you have a trigger of act where the town board gets involved if the area is greater than 5,000 square feet we're not changing our site plans we're not changing our usage we're not adversely affecting the wetland because the DEC caused us to put man-made obstructions and separating the area we use as fields from the adjacent wetland and wetland buffer such that the property in question doesn't function as a buffer and hasn't functioned as a buffer in over a decade, which is why we don't need the DEC permit. What we will do is if we can get an engineering permit, we will take that engineering permit, we'll send it to DEC. They'll either require monitoring or they'll say we don't need.

Any permit we issue will be contingent upon. It won't go in that order. We want to know the DEC is okay with it before we issue the permit. But DEC, generally speaking, especially areas that have been previously disturbed and we're not adding impervious, I think they'll have a favorable response. opinion about the project but again we'll absolutely refer to them and make sure that everything's in compliance with the the order so basically we're we're bringing this thing up tonight um let's go lay it out and um it would appear that this would be a town board matter. There is a planning board resolution as well. But we believe this is the correct venue for but I think if we referred out, you know, all these issues you shake out, but we need to, I guess, initiate the process and see if we can, you know, have all the plans been prepared?

Are they ready to be referred out?

plans all exist so if they're ready to be referred i mean the plan the plan is basically the old plan that we're putting turf exactly where the grass is so are you asking for uh just a resolution to start referring it out i think i think that would be the yeah if the board agrees on the existing plan that location is a designated field on the plan Correct, on what the DEC approved. Like a sports field. And their mitigation is all developed around that use of the property.

In the related question, do you know or should you before it or maybe as part of the the public hearing process are there any Current violations on the site dealing with other factors other issues that have nothing to do with this grass field But our current violations that are there's some issues that the building department is dealing with that really have nothing to do with this and

but we'll have to hear from the building department, get an update on the status of that, and I guess I'm not sure if this has nothing to do with it, whether that,

Well, the town, yeah, so I would request that this gets referred to the, well, we don't want the building department to comment on artificial turf. It's not their thing. But I think at this point, I certainly would like a report from the building department as to what current violations are outstanding and what is the status of that.

Susan, fortunately, we have a January 26, 2026 property search. which will give you the answers to everything you're asking. I'll email it to you tomorrow and I'll email it to each member of the board.

So are there current violations?

We have an issue currently where the building department is making, for the first time in 15 years, a fire inspection, as Adam is aware, of two membrane structures. For some reason, we have the property search. We have certificates of occupancy issued for those. The building department doesn't have those records, as Adam is aware. We've provided them with those records. The latest report we've had is that now the fire inspection has netted no problem. but they want a letter from an electrician about a broken outlet on a conduit and a yellow line on a broken end of a conduit and it would be resolved. We don't see it as a violation because Adam Zaf issued

violation that he had rescinded a decade ago but I will provide those to you and each member of the board Sometimes when a proposal comes in that's the time to clean up and this has happened on other site plans when they wanted to come in for a change and

there are other issues that's the time to force I think the issue of cleaning up you should speak to Adam you should speak with it we've documented in writing with letters we've provided those on each of the issues you now speak but I will send that to you as well personally did they ever resolve the issue

Having a CO on a membrane is great, but under state law, they're required to be inspected with a fire inspection to make sure that fire retardant is still good. They're tested on an annual basis.

Which actually happened. is that we had gotten a waiver from the state pursuant to request of your former building inspector winter to make them permanent structures, not temporary membrane.

It's it has nothing to do with as you as a senior may finish sure it has nothing to do with calling it permanent or calling it temporary. What I'm concerned about is the actual material that needs to be tested to make sure that the fire retardant is still effective. That's not anything that any building inspector can waive because that is a state fire code law. So has that been tested?

We happen to have used Tetlar. Tetlar is non-combustible. That information has been relayed back to the building department who does not have an objection with it. The latest objections they've had refer to a single outlet that had a crack in a conduit that's been repaired. That's what's been relayed to us.

There was also an exposed generator that has been taken care of.

Don't know about an exposed generator. I was told there was no permit for a generator, but I provided the property search that showed the permitting of the generator and the sign off of the generator.

There was a question. Well, we could.

In regards to the inspection, I'm glad you brought it up. We've written several letters to Adam requesting a list of what came out of the fire inspection. In fact, the person that conducted it was a former inspector from Newcastle. I wrote to him who didn't answer. He's left the situation. So we don't have a formal letter. What we had was an inspection now four months ago. what we've been told is to get a letter from the electrician which we've provided and we gave him a copy of the property search which shows the resolutions granting the things that you suggested although it's no longer objected to I gave them all the ASTM ratings of the non combustibility of the materials on the membrane structure which do not expire it's non combustible Material itself if you had were at one of the inspections we held a blowtorch to it. It doesn't go on fire It's a NASA product. Actually. It's what all of this all of the scopes are in fact It's the same material that's being used over a club fit on route six. That's Tetlar We asked for a copy of how they did it so we could do the same Compliance we don't have that but theirs is older than ours. I

Is there any level of safety or that I'm assuming that you will use due diligence in your search for the company that you choose to do the AstroTurf, but is there issues with safety of AstroTurf, the usage of AstroTurf at all? We have it on Granite Knolls, but I know that there are issues.

we have our we have artificial turf um on the property already as you know we've been operating for more than 15 years we haven't had a problem with it there are standards of the turf that we use with the rubber infill it's the same standard they're used on ncaa fields they're used on professional fields and like i said experience has kind of taught us that the products we're using and the people we're purchasing from

It was an old joke that went around, and I think it was in the book, Fall Four, where they asked Tug McGraw whether or not he preferred natural grass to AstroTurf, and he said, I don't know, I've never smoked AstroTurf.

Here's the interesting thing that's... for some reason for some reason if you have natural grass you have natural grass it's too cold to play in October but if you have turf it's not too cold right so what's happening is the market is dictating it in fact I think may impact is the only local high school in the area left that doesn't have artificial turf I think Yorktown you just put turf on the Yorktown school too didn't you I think I do remember reading and I'm not sure where or when there have been some concerns raised about artificial turf I was so personally against it that we made all our outfields grass because the largest amount of incidents were in the outfield because they're running I guess faster and longer distances

I think that part of it was also, like you say, as long as you use the approved product or whatever, but I know it was also injuries, but it was also open injuries with those little granules that there was talk about.

There was time that they were going to organic products, and that apparently was worse, and they're all back to rubber. Okay. But we're not buying the giant stadium turf.

We have turf fields. The Yorktown High School just replaced the all-purpose field about a year or two ago. I thought the field looked in great shape, but you know what? It was past its time, and they replaced it with turf again, so this way to avoid more injuries or possible potential injuries. So I don't know what the debate is about using turf or not, but... All right so we have some things that we got to figure out then right and some questions we need answered.

Then how big is the field.

And what is it 3 football fields and and CJ did this ever make it on to a site plan. I don't know you mean that.

So I know I know you were having the the order of consent to this ever had to this field actually ever make it onto a site plan.

Yeah, Dan has all the site plans in fact when we started this night said to Dan when there was difficulty obtaining the site plan from planning. He's going to check his own files because they were able to verify a sign off on the site plan based upon the release of our escrows.

And this area isn't it? I think what Ed's asking?

Yeah, not only is it on the field is not only is it on the approved site plan, the DEC photograph has a picture of the soccer goals and the artificial turf upon which the soccer goals set as the approval. And that approval is very current 2024. But Dan has that in the file he's holding. All right. But like I said, I'll recirculate it to everybody.

Yeah, please. Is Robin still around or? Just... That's okay. Thanks. Will you come up a second? So Dan has some site plan stuff that has the soccer field on it. Were you able to, because I know CJ just said you were having trouble finding some of those plans.

Dan told me that she was having trouble finding them.

Okay. So do we have?

I don't have a plan showing the soccer fields that exist along that access road.

Okay. So is that part of the original site plan approval?

It's not on the plan from the town board, and it's not on the later planning board plan. So on what basis was there an issue with the DEC? Wasn't it part of the permitting and whatever? There was a lot of issues. I mean, it's a DC wetlands, the whole property. So there was other issues. It doesn't always have to do with this particular field.

All right. So what we need to see is we need to see the plan with the field on the plan that was approved.

Dan, you have that?

I spent that. Hold on. Dan, you have that? Dan.

The confirmation of the plan, though, Sergio? No. is in three town board resolutions. It's codified in a signed letter of the supervisor, which incorporates the planning director, the engineering department, the building department, So we have all of those things. So it's on a sign plat. It's on a sign plat. And then there was an actual meeting and resolution reduced to a writing.

That's fine. As long as we could have the sign plat. Dan has all of those.

Obviously, we'll locate all the backup documentation and make that part of the circulation. Right. Okay. So what we're doing is they really based upon the previous approvals.

So my my recommendation would be that we refer this out. Wait a couple couple days give them the opportunity to get all that paperwork so it could be referred out with it. If we can and. That work for you then that's fine. And if you need any help from Robin please reach out to her. I'd like to be included in the referral to go through.

The plan you have in your hand shows it right.

That's what I'm asking you.

Well, the plan I have right now is the plan that was an exhibit in the DEC order. So it shows it. Well, that's an exhibit.

An exhibit in the DEC order is not a PLAT site plan.

No, I understand that. So I just want to make sure. That's what I have in my hand. Okay.

The DEC exhibit A is the town approved site plan. And what we did was we submitted the town plan.

CJ, we have to have a sign PLAT somewhere and that will have it on it? Okay, and that's fine.

And we have a specific letter from a town supervisor confirming the use of the area. Okay.

If it's not, it has to be defined on...

It is.

Okay, which is fine. And that's all I care about. I don't care if it's a letter from... We'll locate all the relevant... Yeah, I don't care if it's a letter from the president of whatever year this was. I just want to... If it's on paper, it's on paper. and we're good so let's refer it out uh let's we'll put it out there next week when we have the documents okay yeah so we'll give you and we'll we'll refer it out next tuesday with all the documentation and and then we could get it moving

And also next week then we'll have a separate referral to the building department for an update on the.

No, the building department's already working on an update for what they need to. I'd like to see a report. I'm sure that Mr. Diven and Inspector Landy will work together to make sure everything is satisfied.

Susan, the town clerk can confirm for you that the building department has lost all records related to our.

I cannot confirm that. Okay, that is something that the business department has to do.

All right, anyway, just to get back on topic, okay, so you're going to gather the paperwork, and you're going to show it to us. We're going to see this approved plat. It's going to have it on there. Everything's going to be wonderful, and we're going to refer it out. Is that the plan? Yes. Okay.

It's a plan, and then we- We'll need an EAF and stuff for that also.

I think turf would be wonderful there. So let's get all the paperwork that we're talking about.

CJ, thank you. You have a wonderful evening. Dan, thank you. All right. Last up, the Crest Safety and Security Grant. We got an email today saying they'd like some answers back by the end of this week from Senator Harcum's office. So I know we had we had some items. On on the suggestions. Well, I think the you know, there was some really good ones. My concern about the Cappellini Center request was that was seen specifically for a guard. which this would not pay for and it would be an ongoing thing. There could be some cameras at our different buildings and parks, which I know people looking, it's being looked into through our IT company. There were some requests about some program upgrades. I know Waters is looking to get something for the SCADA, but I think that that number blows away what we have. So we'll have to figure that out the one thing I thought was Well, there were two things that I liked that I thought were really Things that are relevant to what's happening right now One was the new canine car It's $75,000 outfitted. I know that there was a question about the canine program and I will say that while I sit at the board, unequivocally, I will not vote to disband our canine officer program. Absolutely not. I think that it was done once before, and I think it was a poor decision. Although there were some issues through the police department that sort of uh rolled it along a little bit but our canines are extremely helpful and useful and the fact that they want to look to um they want to look to using uh tracking dogs now i think is is really good because we do have more and more uh older people wandering away from the homes and we have some runaway cases some younger children And that would leave a balance of $25,000, which I think could really be used for upgrading our camera systems in our parks,

Also, I talked about the lighting at the track, that stairway. That's nominal.

Yeah, I don't know if that's—we could probably try to squeeze that into a security, but I think, you know, I'm still waiting. Yeah, I'm waiting for Adam to get back to me from the mall and see if they do it. If not, you know, if we do it up on the top on our park, then I think it's so nominal that we could just get it done, to be honest with you.

It's not only for safety just walking downstairs, but it's a darkened area. Yes. I like that.

And I will say that I did like also Town Clerk was talking about some systems for fire safety and security in the record center. But she did her legwork on that and found out once again that that's actually a very nominal cost.

It's a couple grand and $49 a month. So she thinks that- Because I was looking, I really wanted to see that get done, so.

She pulled back that request.

It's to put a system in so that it'll actually go to our alarm company. So if something does happen, it'll trigger the fire department right away.

That's good. And what about the library? A question, how specific when you report back to Senator Harcum, and I don't know if that's a firm end of the week or we would like it at the end of the week, but we could wait for two weeks.

No, they said they needed it by end of business on the 11th.

All right, does it have to be firm? Because one of the questions I asked last week is, especially on the cameras, we don't have costs. How many cameras are we talking about for the community center for our different parks because what's happening and the cameras have to be worked in with with a way they're monitored because otherwise that they're useless just just to have a camera They're not useless Susan they're used in investigatory They're used because the parks And the community center building are subject to vandalism, which costs money to repair the damage that has been done. Unless you catch the people who- Well, that's a question of, yeah, if the cameras can identify something- Well, that's what the police do. The cameras take a picture. Well, enforcement is a whole- Yeah, the cameras take the pictures and then- Another issue. And since we don't have any firm numbers on how many cameras, what the cost will be, plus the monitors, I would like to say maybe can we say that approximately I'll just throw out a number, 50,000 might be used on cameras and related equipment, and 50,000 on the canine car.

Go on, Suja.

Because the police also, the police department has been very aggressive, thankfully, and very supportive in looking for grants. There are many different types of police grants, and I don't know whether a car is an eligible expense in one of the cars. But we have to balance. one can question the the extent of the use for that and if anybody's interested i did get a report from the police department on how our two uh dallas and um and spar have been used very detailed the police department is great at keeping statistics from uh 2017 for dallas from 2018 for spar all the way down to um to this year the extent of the use and if anyone would like the information I would be glad to email it to you and it tells you exactly how the dogs have been used but we have to balance that with our other needs for our other facilities I will say Susan that just so you're aware that's an unofficial tally that Officer Beyer just created he was creating on his own

And there's actually some gaps in there and I haven't gotten the second answer. One of the gaps was caused by the legalization of marijuana because our dogs used to do a lot of sniffing for that. That's why they are now shifting to dogs that search for people primarily, tracking dogs.

God forbid we ever need it, but we see all these disasters too where dogs are utilized in rescue operations in terms of locating individuals, potential victims.

And then as I pointed out, it's $75,000 a quip for the car. which leaves us $25,000 to utilize towards that second thing, which could be the camera systems.

Well, we don't know how many cameras we could use.

That is true, but at least this gives us $25,000 more than what we had for that. So I'm, you know, I'm willing to take a consensus. I don't know.

So I just, just a couple of comments. I don't, I don't think we should compromise on, on the car and the canine car. I think that's an invaluable service. The canine is going to be used for crime fighting. It's going to be used in, in multiple areas. That's going to spend the entire town, not just one section or one building. You know, I think we could get for 25,000, we could get a significant amount of cameras depending on, on whether the, When we say monitoring, nobody's actually sitting there, you know, watching things go by. So, you know, they are passive where, you know, you go back, something happens, you go back, unless you just happen to be looking at it at that exact moment. So I think we could get a significant amount of cameras. For the 25, and I know, and so, and depending on what camera system they're using at what building, if it's a DVR or an NVR, a network video recorder that is located on premises, you know, it's not going to really cost anything more than just plugging, as long as there are available connections, as plugging other cameras into the same NVR system. um as far as the library we i did speak to yvonne pat and i uh they they have an issue where they need a monitor moved so they could see the cameras so they can monitor the cameras as they're sitting there um and look up and and that kind of thing so uh pat i spoke to pat already we're gonna go to yvonne and uh And Pat and I are going to try to facilitate moving the things as a courtesy so this way we could get that done as well. So there's a lot of stuff coming together here. I'm ready to move forward with the 75-25. I don't know how everybody else feels.

I like the idea of, you know,

The car, now the dogs are doing tracking. It's like an insurance policy. Until you need it, then you need it. And you're like, oh, I wish I had it. So I like that. And for $25,000, we can get a real lot of cameras. We could do the, probably do, if legally we could do the light, you know, we could do a lot of stuff at $25,000. You know, that's pretty low-hanging fruit. So I'd like to move forward with that.

Alon? I agree. I think that... I'd like to send my cousin to purchase the car because he's very good with car dealerships. I hope we get the mud flaps and we get the mats. No, I'm only... You've got to add the mats. I jest, I jest. But no, I think we should utilize it for that purpose, the 75 for that purpose.

And just a reminder, though, there was a conversation last week regarding the fact that, you know, that both Dallas and SPAR are pretty close to turning in their papers and retiring, getting, collecting their papers. They're golden parachute of dog bones, but we do have one person who works with the behavioral training of the dogs for the sniffing and all, who did it for the county, who would like to donate a dog, and there's also... Matching grant through the the the The organization that does this through the country and then there's also another group Led by a resident that you happen to know and actually I think everyone on the board knows and she wants to get a group of her friends to donate a dog as well and So we have that opportunity to possibly.

The transition from looking for drugs and stuff to people tracking is very significant. And I heard that Dallas and Spar have a very, very comfortable pension program. They get seven bones a week, one for each day, so they don't go hungry.

The one thing that I'll make up just a quick point, and obviously, I hope that they don't necessarily dispose of initially that vehicle that they currently have. I know that there was a problem with the starter. You can buy a lot of starters for $75,000. So if that vehicle can still be utilized, I think it's important to buy the new unit, but also keep the old unit as well.

All right, so let's let's do a let's do a quick vote on it then Can I have a motion to spend to notify that the crest grants that we will be utilizing $75,000 for a new canine car and $25,000 for security cameras and

I'll make that motion. I second.

All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

Opposed, only because I think this should be a better balance between our multiple security needs.

Do you have to put in there conditional lights for the, what Lanny was talking about, security light, or does that fall under?

No, it's, yeah, so I'll take a look at that, but honestly, I think Why don't we ask Cindy, why don't we ask Jim to make a call to Mike Dabowski tomorrow and have him just cost out a light there just in case. I'll do one more follow-up with Adam Brodsky on that.

in addition to the cameras even though the resolutions passed um i wonder if the um in the community center building where at best we have one man the vandals come in the teenagers come in at night and they go throughout the entire building uh all three floors and at best we have one person who's a maintenance man in that building so if he's on one floor he has no idea what's happening on the third floor all right and sometimes i've been told that um that there is no coverage in that building so even though there's a camera and then you have the difficulty of the camera and then sending it to the police and then identifying the person whatever having it's possible to have an alarm system and the closest thing that I could think of is when I had an alarm system in my house and you had the different motion centers so if the teenagers are coming in from from the track area but there's no reason why they should be in the other part of the building some type of motion center. I don't know anything about this issue, but I'm concerned about the vandalism that's taking place at that building.

It's a valid concern, and I will tell you that I went there a few years ago with Officer Scatola, Sergeant Scatola, and the one main thing that we could do is like, you know, so when you come in from the track area, you can't get in from the front of the building or the side of the building. That's locked after hours. but in the when you come in from the track area where uh where you're going to the gym um when you go to the gym i think aren't there aren't there doors to go upstairs like if you come in and you make the left the gyms on your left they're already doors that get locked yeah but there's the only thing i don't i don't know that i will address the elevator issue when you walk in You can't go into the senior center because that door gets locked. And you can't go into the offices because that door gets locked. So the only place that you could go is when you come out where the bathrooms are on your left, put doors right there on your right. And now the only area that you're confined to is the gym. And the hallway. And so that would be, I think, an easy fix to put some security doors there. And then that would prevent you from getting to the elevator, from getting up the stairs. It's all blocked off. And then you lock the gym doors and you can't get into the gym either. And you can still get to the bathroom, which is, I think, the primary purpose of leaving them unlocked.

But I've gone into meetings at room 26, which is all the way at the end of the hall, and I've gone up to 209 for meetings. There's doors there. I just think that something needs to be done.

Since we got noticed on the preliminary application for the CREST grant, and we need to have it done by September 11th, you need to have all the estimates done and in so we can get it.

We are going to move on to resolutions I guess Patrick doesn't want to vote with us why don't we give him a minute to come back

Could you just explain then?

Actually, just let me make a reminder to everyone that 4 PM on Friday is our 9-11 Memorial at the 9-11 Memorial. What a good place to have it. That is on East Main Street over by the John C. Hart Memorial Library on the west side of the parking lot. Please note that we will be closing down the road for the ceremony, so you'd want to get there a little early. and if you need to go through that area there will be a delay I only have 72 pages of speech this year so we should be open by 9 p.m. You also have the Grange senior lunch Well there were problems with that and in fact I spoke to Suzanne and asked if there was a copy of that report of that study that you did and she said

Now it was problems with the implementation in the court system they used to when they closed early the court officers often referred to it as Russia homer I will say that the worst traffic

ever got caught in and we left early we were in the city in Chinatown and we left at 2 in the afternoon on the first Seder night oh my god that must have been before the easy passes right oh yeah absolutely alright Patrick is back so Our resolutions from the engineering department preventive maintenance and on call service of emergency generation final bid extension forbid 24 dash 7. So we're going to extend that for one year request to advertise a bid to bid dewatered sludge removal and disposal for the Yorktown Heights water pollution control plant bid number 26 dash 5. That sounds gross. It sounds like it is. From the court clerk, authorize a town supervisor to sign justice court assistance program grant application. From the water department, authorize a town supervisor to execute an agreement with Excuse me, Rayburn Consulting, and the amount of $9,675 for implementation of new billing software system.

What are they going to do before we make a decision about how we're going to deal with Joint Water Works? That's what I don't understand.

That's a good question. This is work done.

No, I think we've already paid for work done. This looks like we're going forward to change the new procedures. But until we decide, I think we're all agreed, it seems, that we should move forward on this. But what is this for?

that's um again i i really think we need to go through and let adam uh yeah you know because look you know i think it's very potentially like i said i'm looking out for the town of yorktown number one we agree that's why he was asked to pull it so but you know look they uh I don't want to be caught in a situation where they can't meet their budget and they change their water rates. I don't know how they may react.

by the time by the time well first of all of the all of the municipalities would get the raise in water rates but that being that not not just us but that being said this will take at least six months to implement and judging by the way the response was we will be most of the way through their next budget

I missed the issue, but I have some concerns that I got to explore. Okay, right.

So let's scratch this resolution.

Can you ask James, was there a reason for this?

I think it was supposed to be put up for consideration.

Oh, okay. We could always do it next week if it's something they need.

All right. So we're nixing it. Right. We're going to take that one out. For now, we're taking it off.

Things I want to look into and think about. All right.

What's next? Award a street and traffic signs bid to Glencoe Supply, Inc. An award of pavement marking bid to seal coat USA Inc. And this is for for your single white lines you double yellow lines you safety marking. We are basically. Taking the recommendation of highway superintendent Dave Paganelli The bid for paving marking for tiny Yorktown to be and is hereby awarded to the most responsible bidder sealcoat USA Inc 79 Pembroke Drive and this will this contract is to begin on August 15th 2026 and terminate on August 14th of 2027 and the town will have extensions of bidding this contract out or extending the bid for two consecutive one-year terms all right can I have a motion motion All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right, Yorktown, thank you. Make a motion to adjourn. No, not quite yet. I'm sorry. I want to wish all of those who will be celebrating, and actually everyone, a very sweet and happy New Year celebration for the Jewish New Year. Whether you're Jewish or not, may your family find peace, may it be a sweet time, and may your name be inscribed in the Book of Life. You don't need the LA in the beginning. Well he made it Italian. There you go. Or Cuban. Or Cuban. I can't argue with that one. With that, motion to adjourn? Motion.

Second. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Good night, Yorktown. Good night, Yorktown.