Commission - Regular Meeting

18th 2000 2026 meeting into order anyone wishing to give testimony before this board today if you would please stand and raise your right hand i hereby affirm the testimony i give today to be the whole truth so help me god say i do please thank you We need to approve the minutes from the August 21st meeting. Do we have a motion? So moved. A motion from Mr. Renfrow, second by Ms. Weathers, to approve the minutes. All those in favor, vote aye. Aye. Those opposed? That will carry. And Christopher, I assume you want to move straight into old business.

Yes, sir. Do you want me to reiterate everything or just the changes from the last?

I'm going to leave that up to you. How about that?

okay um i said i guess since it started in may i can go through the entire comment sheet i suppose um the applicant bnr lebanon investments is seeking to amend the r1 rural residential pud planning development the property is referenced by wilson county tax map 14 parcels 5.04 7 8 and map 26 parcels 3.03 property contains approximately 406.81 acres The PUD was approved in February of 25 by the Wilson County Commission. This request is seeking to amend that master plan to bring the development into the current minimum requirements for the R1 residential PUD. The county's PUD ordinance was last amended on November of 25. Should the County Planning Commission or the County Commission ultimately decide to approve this request, this submitted revision will void and vacate the previous master plan approved in February of 25. The original PUD approval for this development was 435 lots on 406.81 acres. The R1 PUD, if all preservations and amenity requirements are met, would allow up to 1.75 units per acre. or a total of 711 lots for this acreage. This master plan is proposing a total lot allowance of 537, previously amended down from 560 that was submitted in May. This lot count, if approved, would be tied to the master plan and additional lots can only be added if approved by the Planning Commission and subsequently the Wilson County Commission. The 23 lots being removed from the updated revised plan are from the phase one of this development just south of Chalford Place. On page 13 of the development plan, there's a detailed lot threshold improvements to be made at lot counts in compliance with section 5.5 of the Wilson County Zoning Ordinance. Items of note for this development are as is. The entrance on Bates Road will be constructed with a southbound center turn lane and a northbound decel lane. Amendments since then, that center turn lane and decel lane is going to be extended to incorporate the Charlford Place subdivision. So that turn lane is going to be extended I think it's roughly 500 feet, additionally north. Secondary connections on Estes Road will be completed with the 99th lot. Offsite road improvements at Academy and Bradshaw are to be completed at 40% build out and roughly the 215th lot of approval. A common fence will be provided by the developer along the 25-foot buffer separation where private property lines abut this common area, and 30% of the site is to be left in its natural state and to remain undisturbed through development. Deviation from these requirements or any other requirements listed under Section 5.5 of the Wilson County Zoning Ordinance will be required to come back before Planning Commission for approval and recommendation to the full County Commission. Staff has made this putt amendment request available to the executive representatives of the school system, road commission, and Wilson EMA. The proposed amendment is within station six, Old Legardo Roads, five mile ISO response zone for fire and emergency services. County Stormwater has requested the applicant, planning commission, and other interested parties be put on notice that the presence of sinkholes, caves, wetland streams, and land areas that are extremely flat, marshy, or steep may affect future development of this tract. As an additional point of information, the request is near two century farms based on information provided in the Wilson County Planning Department. The first is the Wright Jennings Farm being located at 231 Northwest Williams Road and the Bates Farm located at 380 Bates Road. With the above statements made, this request does conform with the language in the Wilson County zone notes in relation to the PUD. Staff can recommend approval.

Christopher, the second thing on there about the road improvements.

Yes, sir.

On Academy and Bradshaw, what will they consist of?

That is a, it would be an eastbound center turn lane and a westbound decel lane on Academy to more safely access Bradshaw Road. Okay, okay, thank you.

Who do we have here to represent this case today? Please come forward, Mr. Gill. Thank you.

Good morning. Byron Gill with Rochelle McClellan Alds. I represent the applicant and the developer of this project. I will say we've worked very hard through our engineers with Mr. McFarland as the county commissioner and others, including the road commission, to try to make this the best development we can do. This is... unique, I think, to the county and I think it will be a very upscale neighborhood that's going to be on the lake. We have addressed concerns from adjoining neighbors namely we have removed all homes behind the chalford place subdivision which basically opens that space up mr mcfarland's i think big push on the front end of this development was he wants to have open space we've actually improved the open space a little bit with this redesign not appreciably but it is staying the same as far as open space the road improvements are upwards of a million and a half dollars so we're benefiting the county and Rubens Academy, Bradshaw, even out on 109, there's some requirements that TDOT is going to put on us. So we've tried to make this the best development we can. We've also got the engineering group here that can address roads, infrastructure, other concerns that the commission may have. And Mr. McFarland, I think, is here to talk to you guys about his position on things. When you get in these developments, there's always going to be concern about neighbors and how it would affect them, but I think we've done everything we can to make this the best for everyone. Paul, did you want to talk? Okay, yes, sir. We've got the engineers here, too.

We've got questions. We'll get with them. Thank you. Who else is here to speak on this case today? Please come forward. If you'd state your name. Yes, sir.

For the record, please. My name's Don Floyd. Live at 540 Bradshaw Road. Would have any of you been out in this area? Raise of hand as any obvious you have been. You have. What about? OK, yes, you know our biggest concern is traffic and the danger of this traffic. You know this amount of cars you've come in and did a lot of improvements, but it's just a bandaid on it. 109. Mr. Renfrow, you were going on about 2.31. You ought to come up and see 109 sometime about four o'clock in the evening.

All the time. And in answer to your question originally, we can officially not go out there and look, but I was out looking at flowers and I saw that property.

But that... I've been on that road, all those roads, many, many times when I was sheriff. They shouldn't have been built on so much right now. They've always been, but they have been.

That's our biggest concern is the danger of the vehicles. You're releasing this. Last time I heard it was 8,000 cars. What are you up to now in your cars every day? i mean that was a rough estimate it's it's roughly 10 trips per day per lot is what edot has a standard of so i mean five over five thousand cars a day then yes sir that's a lot of cars on these small roads even with these improvements it will help those improvements should have been there years ago probably but uh i know how money is and and you have to budget things I've talked with a bunch of the people in our area. I gave you a list of people who signed a petition against it. No one is for this in our neighborhood. We're all against it. We want to keep our neighborhood the way it is. 500 and some houses is one huge huge development if they went in and built 40 or 50 several million dollar houses on that piece of property we wouldn't have a problem with it but the traffic so please think of us when you make your decision we're not going to be happy with the yes but uh thank you for your time folks thank you sir please come forward sir

Hey there, good morning. I'm Troy Gardner, landscape architect with Pape Dawson and project manager here today on behalf of B&R Development. As we've mentioned, we're here to request a master plan amendment to the previously approved Cumberland Oaks PUD. Let's go to the next slide, please.

There you go.

The previously approved plan had 435 lots with 58% open space. At the June PC meeting, we requested, I'm sorry, we presented a plan proposing 560 lots. Since that meeting, 23 lots have been removed along the entry road near Bates Road. And the current proposal is for 537 lots with again, 58% open space. So it's the same amount of open space as before. So there are several benefits of the proposed amendment. The first, it eliminates the previously required variances. It creates a uniform and fully public street system. It simplifies and standardizes the neighborhood design. It includes community amenities and conservation lands and remains well within the density permitted by the current PUD ordinance. So as I mentioned, this plan fully eliminates all variances that were required for the previous plan. The approved PUD included five different street and alley types that are shown here and on the next couple slides. Okay.

Continue.

The amendment proposes a single, public, 50-foot right-of-way throughout the neighborhood that matches the county's standard roadway section. This simplifies the county's maintenance responsibilities and creates a more consistent transportation network. The approved PUD included four different lot types. The amendment simplifies the plan into only three lot types and increases the minimum lot width from 40 feet to 60 feet.

Can you tell us what that number is, the square footage on the lots?

I don't have that right in front of me. Let me look at that and get to you. Yeah. Both plans include similar amenities. However, the proposed amendment further aligns with the updated PUD standards by also providing undisturbed conservation land and tying amenities to development thresholds. A minimum of 30% of the site is required for conservation area. The land must remain undisturbed. The amendment proposes 139 acres, which is 17 acres more than what's required. While the proposed lot count would increase, the amended plan utilizes only 75% of the density permitted under the county's current ordinance. By comparison, the original approval utilized 98% of the density permitted. I have other people here that would like to speak from our team. Yeah.

We'll let them do it. Okay. Mr. Chairman, to answer that initial question, and this is just generic, if the lots are 60 by 120, that's roughly 7,200 square feet, and then the larger lots that they had on there were 100 by 120, which would be 1,200 square feet. So I'm assuming they would all range in between that. 7,212,000. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Good morning. My name is Sam Christman. I am with Pape Dawson, and I'm the engineer for the development. You know, we've taken a lot of the public concerns into consideration with this and working with the proper authorities, and I want to speak to the STEP system, which I know is a big deal here. We've worked closely with ADENIS. We've had soil scientists go out onto the site We've had our survey team go out and grid stake these soil areas to verify that the necessary soils are there. We have an availability letter from ADENAS for 566 lots. So we have available soils for 566 lots and we're only coming in with 537. So we should have more than enough soil. We have primary soils and also have the reserve soils. We've worked closely with Laguardo as well on the water and everything will be contained within our development. There aren't any offsite improvements. They've looked at design and pressures in this area and the water lines will have sufficient pressure just within our development. If you go to the next slide. I know grading drainage, another big thing. Similar to the approved plan, we are sending all the proposed development drainage towards the river. We are not planning on sending anything to the west into adjacent properties. We've removed the lots south of Chalford Place, so that should help alleviate any drainage issues going to the south and to the west there. But the plan is to send everything to the Cumberland. If anything does get sent to the west, we will work with stormwater staff to ensure that we go above and beyond what's required to make sure that we are not impacting any adjacent properties. Next slide. And then I know in one of the previous meetings, there were discussions on the car's features and soil. We have had a geotechnical engineer come out and do a site inspection. We have bore holes all through our proposed development and what they found was lean clays, which was a surprise, but is good for development. Because they don't absorb as much moisture and for the structural benefits, there's not a lot of flux in the shrink swell of those. And there are CARS features out here. There are some sinkholes, but we are avoiding them with this plan. And we have our transportation engineer here to discuss the traffic improvements that are being made in addition to the previous plan. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Morning. Good morning. I'm Brandon Baxter, also with Pape Dawson, working with Sam and Troy. Christopher did a good job of going through the list of our improvements, so I'm going to keep it a little bit brief since he's already covered that. But I will say, I think on our next, this is the right slide already, already there. So you can see on this slide, it's kind of showing the study area of the scope we looked at, the letters on the slide, maybe a little hard to see from a distance, but all the way from 109 at Bates Road, down Bates Road and Bradshaw to Academy or the intersections in the area that we looked at. The improvements that Christopher mentioned, if we'll go to the next slide, Mr. Chairman, to your point, what does that look like? So we do have some kind of conceptual images here of what those improvements do look like. So this is at Academy Road in Bradshaw. You can see there's a left turn lane, an eastbound left turn lane, and a westbound right turn lane, and those do have tapers and transitions that run out away from the intersection, so it's not just a widening that happens specifically at the intersection, but there's several hundred feet of taper in both directions so that cars can move through there. Moving to the next slide, this is Bates Road at the Project Access. I think this is the one that had changed and that Christopher referenced. You can see kind of at the bottom of that slide, the Project Access going into the field where there used to be homes in the previously approved one, but we've taken those out. That lane now moves forward, or moves north, up the slide to Chalford Place, and you can see that a short segment of left turn lane is created there for movements into Chalford Place. There's a crest curve, a hill north of there, which can be a little bit limiting on sight distances, so extending that up there kind of helps provide a little bit of mitigation there, just a little bit more room for maneuverability and for flexibility in traffic in that area. and then moving on to the next slide this is estes road starting about 900 feet east of bradshaw it it narrows down maybe 14 feet wide not wide enough for a new neighborhood with traffic coming and going during the day so this section of estes road starting about 900 feet east of bradshaw is going to get widened out to a standard county road section all the way back into the neighborhood and the development so that that that road will be up to county standards uh out to bradshaw um i think he also mentioned we are talking to tdot about the intersection of how we went on and bates road uh they don't tdot doesn't follow the same submittal and deadline schedule as the planning commission obviously and the permitting requirements are a little bit different but we are talking to them i think right now we're looking at a deceleration lane on highway 109 into Bates Road we've got some more conversations with them scheduled next week but they've got all the studies and all the plans that you've got about this project so they know everything that we've provided to the county they know they know all of that so continuing to have that but I think that's kind of the direction we're headed so hope that helps yes thank you anyone else wishing to speak on this case today yes sir

Hi, my name is Tim Landstrom. I'm a child for place neighbor. I live at 106 and. Couple weeks or no few few months ago when I stood here before y'all, me and my wife had a banner that we had made up that showed you all the beauty that currently exists behind our house in the meadow that Mr Blackstock has so graciously made the concession of not placing a single. House in. I wish my son were here today to tell everybody how excited I was when I got that news. It was amazing. We're sitting here talking about a development that will have over 500 homes. Honestly, we've already got a development that's been approved a year and a half ago that's got over 400 homes. There's not a whole lot of difference to that. What I can say, and perhaps somewhat selfishly, is that the one that was previously approved has more than half a dozen homes sitting in that meadow, and the one that's now in front of you has none, leaving that meadow untainted. There's a gentleman in this audience that I just met over the weekend that was driving through my neighborhood and literally said that it's one of the most beautiful sights in the entire county, for which I am grateful, for sure. Um. I went up and down the street at Chalford. I could share this with you if you'd like. I could give this to you. It has the signatures of 14 of my neighbors. There's about 20, 21 houses total. So about 14 of us have signed our support saying that we do approve of this development as it's proposed before you today. Our greatest concerns, which I think have been the case since well before I even moved in, was number one, that Chalford Place would not become a thoroughfare. And Mr. Blackstock has said that the cul-de-sac at the east end that has a gate currently will be closed. My assumption is that that would be with the same fence that he's talked about bordering the south side of Chalford Place. But I don't know for sure. The only other thing that I would like to mention is that there's a small street called Chalford Way that literally goes up a hill and dead-ends into concrete now the kind of things you see along a construction site. It would be really nice if that were completely closed too so that there wouldn't be any possibility that that street could one day at some point in time attach to anything. But anyway, I just, I thank you all for this time. I just came here today to basically say that our neighborhood endorses this amendment as it stands.

You're welcome to submit that we can't take it into consideration, but you're welcome to submit it to the planner. Thank you, thank you. Yes Sir.

Hello, my name is Ryan Crook and I want to talk on speak on a couple of topics today. First of all, this this project is not just a housing development. It is a reconstruction of the whole community. In general. You are taking two-lane roads and putting turning lanes and stoplights. And in essence to that, making it a, for those that live around here close by, a Hartman Drive and Interstate 40 intersection. With the traffic that we already have on the transportation side of this, it's unbelievable in the last five to seven years with the school systems and things of that nature. 109 is just a small part of the transportation problem, but when you start trying to put turning lanes and stoplights on roads like Academy Road and Bates Road, you're creating nightmares. You're reconstructing not just the housing development, the whole communities of Oakland and Possumtown and Coles Ferry. With that being said, this probably will be a civil engineer question for one of the team members here. What kind of road frontage are y'all gonna take for your turning lanes on Academy Road? How many people's front yards are y'all gonna take? okay um when you do put turning lanes in you're creating more traffic than already is now and as the transportation we could talk for days upon that we also have environmental concerns as our with our agricultural land with neighborhoods being adjacent to deemed agricultural land for livestock and runoff issues anything that's adjacent. I noticed they mentioned everything goes to the river. I know that's a common practice in environmental engineering, but we also, it was mentioned about runoff to the south, if be, that will require containment ponds, settlement ponds, and it will then be going towards 109 Highway at that point. The thing I want to talk about today to this committee is a neighborhood one way in one way out is one thing but when you reconstruct a whole community a big part of the county for one development you're not just changing A few lives that are adjacent to this project you're changing. Thousands of lives. From days moving forward. What they're talking about doing is not just a simple neighborhood, it's reconstructing roads and changing roads that will forever change the agricultural land in Wilson County. In that area. And for those that's lived in Wilson County, I think we have our due diligence and the delegated officials on this committee to preserve our agricultural land for the upcoming generations and the environmental part of it as well. There's some other things I'd like to ask. And that was a civil engineer for the road frontage because I live right beside Bradshaw and Academy Road and I go down through there every day, multiple times a day. My address is 1005 Academy Road. I'm about four driveways down on the left on 1005 from Bradshaw. And to try to reconstruct that to make bigger highways, there's no shoulders. There's no guardrails. It's been like that for years. And a turning lane there, what it creates downstream towards Lebanon, and or downstream towards 109 depending on the direction you're traveling and i just want to say on behalf of everybody in here to give it full thought that if you live there and somebody come in and reconstructed not just a mile or two of your where you live but for miles how would you feel about that we run cattle we have for years i'm a family member of the bates farm and to put neighborhoods and houses adjacent for the runoff for our agricultural land is hazardous and it's hazardous to the livestock and the farming that we've done for generations and the generations of my children that will be coming up and some that are already of age. So I just want to ask y'all as to consider that and do not ruin our farm because of growth or because of wealth. Mr. Gill and Excuse me if I didn't pronounce that right. Are you from Wilson County, Mr. Gill? Where do you reside? Born and raised in Wilson County.

Sir, if you would. I just wanted to ask.

Okay. Well, I thought Mr. Gill would be the only one to answer that, so it's no offense. Other than that, that's all I have to say.

Thank you, sir. I'll get you next, sir.

I just have a quick question. Michelle Isentrout, what road improvements were necessary with the original plan? If somebody could address that, like how different are these road improvements that are necessary now to the ones that were necessary with the original plan?

The original plan had all of the same road improvements without the extension of the center turn lane and the decel lane all the way through Chalford Place.

Yes, sir.

Good morning. I'm Junius Johnson. I live at 110 Chalford Place. Just two questions. One, I'm thankful that they decided to eliminate the 23 lots because that was going to back up to the back of my property. However, what assurance do we have that a year from now, two years, the developer comes back and says, those 23 lots, we want to build on them.

uh do we have assurance from this committee that those lots will never be built in the existing master plan they cannot be built if they choose to add any lots anywhere within the development they would have to come completely back through this process so it would be a public notice again and everybody would have to make their cases at that point i don't know if the committee is willing to give assurances such as that but They still could come back to this committee and- They would have to go back entirely through the process, yes.

The second thing, I apologize, I missed the last meeting, but I was here at the one before. and uh mr renfro and i think uh houston mr neal brought up the situation about oak ridge and what the city of knoxville had to do to buy back the community and if my memory serves me correct mr jones you had mentioned that had tasked the developer to bring in some heavy stuff to do soil samples and whatever to make sure that the city of Lebanon would not have to buy that community back if there started foundations cracking and houses sinking. And I live there, and I haven't seen any big rigs in two months. Someone may have come in and did just an individual sample, but I was under the impression that you wanted a little more than just topical soil.

I think they have the geotechnical information. And I'm sure they'd be glad to provide it to us or you, anyone else. Share that with you. Some of the soils questions we had pertained to soils area and actually size of it and what it could be approved for. And based on what they're telling us today, they have enough soils to support what they're proposing. Now, they have a letter from... the provider saying it can be done they do not have permits in hand and certainly the county what's got a water authority has not approved or signed off on anything all right sir thank you very that accurate christopher that would be accurate yes sir thank you yes sir thank you who else do we have yes ma'am

My name is Stacia Brown, Britton Brown, and I live at 351 Bates Road. I am very late on whatever this discussion is. All I got was this piece of paper, and I see this big subdivision. Yes, ma'am. We've been in the country all our life. It's generations and generations where I'm at. Right now, it's just me. Everybody else died out from around me. We have two uncles left, originals, as far as the arid property that we have. My question is, well, I really don't have, I heard what the other gentleman was saying about the streets and all of that. I don't want anyone digging in my yard. because from where I'm sitting, five, 10 feet, you're at my front porch. So you're squeezing me. And I don't think that's fair on anybody. And I'm sure it's going to affect a lot more homes. Because my family still owns, there's still bunches and bunches of cousins. It's arid property. It's a whole lot of them that don't even know, just like I did. And I live in Wilson County. Some of them don't live in the county, but we're all still in a bunch, you know. But... That would be horrible if I came up and seen somebody digging and bringing a street white in the street. And I don't know the whole details, but from what I've heard from these other gentlemen, that told me a lot. And whatever it is, I don't like it. I just don't like it. I don't want them there. If I want to sit on the porch, I don't want 3,000 cars going up and down the road. It used to be an old dusty road. And this Mr. Bates, it trips me out when he said Bates Farm. My grandparents used to talk about how they done hoedowns down at his farm. You know, it's a community to where there's plenty of heart there. And nobody likes to, you know, if you had a sandbox that you've been playing with all your life, you don't want another kid to come up and say, I've got a better truck than yours and mess up your sandbox or empty your sand out. And that's just what it feels like. It feels like a stab. And we feel like we're being squeezed. There's only a few of us left on that hill, Britton Hill is what we call it, which is Bates Road. I don't know why it was called Bates Road, but it's, yeah, Bates Road. But us Britain's been there for over 100 years. And we plan on staying there. And I don't want them there. Whatever's going on, I don't want them there. That's all I can say.

Do give me your address.

351. 351.

Anyone else? Yes, sir.

Good morning, my name is Sam Bates. I'm part of the Bates Farm, I guess that people have referenced a few times today. My family been in this county for about five generations. We go back a long ways like Miss Brown's family over here. Bates Road was named after my family. I had a great great grandfather lived in a log cabin at the top of the hill they talked about. It was a dirt road to start with, then a gravel road. I live at 999 Academy Rd now and of course grew up on Academy Rd as well and we farmed. We raised tobacco and cattle like a lot of people around this kind of used to do. Can let me say this, you know, I understand progress. I understand tax importance of tax money, property taxes. We have to happen if people want improvements, money's gotta be there from somewhere. But Wilson County is really, we're in a situation I feel right now where it's sort of out of control. Our growth, it's already started. In old country saying, we used to say that the horse has left the barn. It's already done. I know Houston's all part of the county up your way. You've kept it agriculture and I applaud that. We haven't been quite as lucky in Legardo. My concern, big concern, several concerns, but a lot of things have already been said. But here's what my recommendation would be. If this is going to take place and happen, and it sounds like it probably will, the roads have to be improved. Traffic lights have to be put in. If not, you're going to cause the biggest cluster of problems on Academy Rd, Bates Rd, 109. Terry, the law enforcement folks better increase their number of patrol cars because we're going to need them because of all the accidents that's going to happen. Hazards. There's already been a couple of fatalities on Academy Rd this year that I'm aware of. Better get ready for several more. I hate to see that. But I used to drive my bicycle on Academy Road to my school at LaGuardia School, which is, well, it's gone now. But when I grew up, you know, 65 years ago, it was, I rode a bicycle on Academy. A lot of things have changed. That's a long time ago. But my concern is, you know, my son's addressed part of that, but we've got to improve these roads and we've got to do all we can to make it safe. if it's going to happen. So let's not just put the development of people in there and we'll hope we'll improve the roads later. Let's improve the roads first. Let's put the traffic lights in. Let's spend the money and do it right to prevent problems later on. Of course, I have people tell me, well, the values of the land will go up, and it probably will, and that's good. That's a positive thing. Our values will go up, but it does change the whole way of life. There used to be a lot of farms in that area, but they're all going away because of development. Part of our farm is now development. It used to be. Unfortunately, the current owner of our home place has kept it as a farm so far. I've been very thankful for that. Where we live, I can look across and see my farm. We still were lucky to hold on to 60 acres of the original farm and we got cattle on it. That's part of my hobby. But anyway, just wanted to make those comments. I realize progress has to happen. I realize that tax money is important, but we better be careful how you do this one. You better be careful and you better put the roads in right. You better put the traffic lights in right. If not, you're going to create a major, major problem. That's about all I got to say.

Thank you, sir. Anyone else wish to speak on this case today? Please come forward, ma'am.

My name is Rita Martin Bates. I'm Mr. Bates' wife, and I agree with my son and my husband. The situation where we're at, we have, I'm assuming, the Blackstock situation coming in, which would create so much traffic that I don't even know how we would get in. I live at 999 Academy Road. We are adjacent to 883 Academy Road to where Ms. Marlena Dennison is proposed to put in a subdivision right behind us. So you've got the Blackstock subdivision and you have Ms. Denson's subdivision with 90 acres. We have a small, tiny road that goes back to our home and to our son's home. We maintain that road. If that subdivision goes in by Ms. Denson, the 90 acres, she has a five-acre tract that backs up to us. We've tried to get it county maintained. We've tried to everything to see who it belongs to. It belonged to the Bates family, the Sullivan family back in the archives. But it does give her access to go down this little tiny lane where two families live to a backdoor entrance to a subdivision that's going to be coming up as Coles Ferry. So we've got Blackstock here. We've got Denson here. We're talking about thousands of people with children trying to get down to Academy Road. We have been through quite some terrors with this situation because Ms. Dennison doesn't live at her home right now, which is fine. I think she's in Florida, but she has people that runs a little cattle off behind her house. We maintain that road. It's a lot of money just to get back to our house. She has a five-acre track that's adjacent to that, which would be a perfect... And not an entrance, but an exit to a subdivision if that one passes, let alone this one. So when Ms. Brown said we're squeezed, we're not just squeezed, we just have no place to run cattle. And since it is... Tradition for my husband, his family. We'll have to go further to see who owns that little tiny road. Because if that becomes maintained by the county, if she keeps a five acre track there, we will not be able to get into 999. Academy Road Drive. We won't be able to. We won't be able to get into 1005 Academy Road. It's impossible. I just want to say I'm hoping that everyone that's born and raised here would consider right now the growth we are. We can't maintain anything, not even one cattle, let alone, which is our primary business. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Derek Dodson, 106 Chapman Drive. Four times prior at the mic, I have addressed the facilitating Horrific County R1 PUD regs, but today I will address the proposed Cumberland Oaks for the first time. Since I only have three minutes, Commissioner Weathers, will you later help me out by explaining how increasing the number of allowed houses, thereby maximizing the education cost of the future residential growth that doesn't pay for itself, and would help cause the need for a county property tax increase. I've given a lot of thought to the occasional loud noise via the adjacent TVA steam plant and I decided that it was not a reason for me not to reimagine the proposed Cumberland Oaks development and thereby suggest an alternative development. I seek to help Shelby ASAP sell this property and without septic tank or step system issues. The current development plan is a waste of the 406 acres regarding what it could become, which is an equestrian neighborhood of 100 to 125 lots. There whereby the two to six acre lots with future four to five bedroom $2 million plus houses with septic tanks and also minimal drainage issues. Each lot would cost over $500,000 as in Williamson County. Thereby $50 million plus in sales simply as a beginning benchmark number in selling This 406 acres. Williamson County has approximately 10 such equestrian neighborhoods. But Wilson County and this property has some major assets that Williamson County does not have. Williamson County has no airport. This property is two minutes from the Gallatin Airport and five minutes from the Lebanon Airport via a neighborhood helipad. If I owned this property, I'd do a sketch of 100 to 125 acre equestrian neighborhood. Then I would visit a specific realtor in Nashville to be my representative in selling this property to Oracle and Paramount. Paramount likely is coming as well as Oracle, both coming to downtown Nashville. with very well-paid employees, whereby expedient travel plans are important to them. I would not recommend future residents traveling by speedboat to save time from this proposed equestrian neighborhood to Oracle's coming downtown Nashville campus on the Cumberland River. But going to a Titans game, probably a good idea. Nearby Cherokee Marina. has boat slips, no equestrian neighborhood in Williamson County has nearby boat slips and airports. Next, I'm sharing a simplified visual reimagining of a sketch road layout as a place to start that Oracle executives might suggest to a developer for a neighborhood for their applicable highest paid employees and also folks in the entertainment industry that need quick access to airports. The red dot on my diagram here, is the proposed helipad. This orange mess here represents the Cumberland River, and this inner network here would be just a road network that I came up with. So I did it in orange in honor of Mayor Jennings, whose blood runs orange, and the purple in honor of Mayor Jennings because his blood also runs purple.

Yeah, I'll do that.

I'm almost finished, so I'm about to walk away from this microphone. So I have an idea where I'd suggest locating a neighborhood horse barn and tennis and pickleball courts, but that is not relevant. Other than the water pipeline and utilities component cost, a lowest cost road network with no sidewalks, nor curbs, nor drainage, just like the roads in the questioner and neighborhoods in Williamson County. That's it.

Thank you, sir. Anyone else wish to speak on this case today? Yes, sir.

So I apologize for the informal attire. So just so we're all on the same page, if this is denied today, they can fall back to the original plan.

They already have approval on the original.

Yeah. So there's no like it doesn't run out after a year.

No, it has a time frame.

Right, so that's happening. Is that one year after approval?

No, their PUD, they got approved. They got that approved for a three-year time period. So that original plan doesn't expire until 28.

Okay, so that's at a minimum that would occur anyway, unless that's proved to be unprofitable by the amount of homes. Second, Excuse me, I spoke two meetings ago. I was the one that brought up the issues about karst, about the sinkholes, things like that. So I listened today and they did mention, you know, they did some testing around for that. But from my understanding of what was said, and I may not have all of it, but that was for the soils area. That not necessarily, I remember bringing up that once all the roads in there are built, they're on us, right? Once they develop them, once they put the roads in, if we have issues with the roads, if there's, I just lived in East Tennessee for a very long time and saw a lot of roads sink and disappear and have to reroute to take kids to school and everything else for a year at a time as they repaired them. So the county would be on the hook to repair any kind of roads if they had karst issues, if that erupted.

They would have to be built to county standards, and I think there's a one-year warranty period. Okay.

After completely done? I'm not 100% familiar with it. There is a warranty period. I don't know if it's 12 or 24 months, but they do hold.

That testing was done primarily for the soils area, correct, where they're going to do a step system? Through the entire development, all through where the houses would sit and all that kind of stuff. Okay. All right. Just had that additional question. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

Anyone else wishing to speak today on this case? Yes, ma'am.

I'm not good at this. My name is Betty Jordan. My address is 14701 Cainsell Pike. I've known the Bateses. I have known the Britons. I grew up in this area. This is my family farm of over 90 years, so Estes Road is what affects me. Our property joins the property of Cumberland Oaks Estates that once developed. We sowed about 60 acres of our land, about 14-year-goes, to the family of the Cumberland Oaks. Our thoughts at this time that they would have the financial resources to be good stewards of the land. We had developed for a few years at that time. We understood it would be most around 180 houses when we first started. We felt this would have created many new problems for the neighborhood. Most of the road changes that were proposed aren't enough to solve the existing traffic problems before another 550 homes are added. Sometimes the wait to get turned down on 109 is about 5 to 10 minutes. And I know we've addressed a lot of these issues and I'm sorry that I'm repeating, but none of the road changes will help in dealing with the issues. But with the new homes coming, the problem will become much worse. As I stated earlier, we sow parts of this farm in recent years. I have walked over the majority of this land that they're discussing. And I know there are many steep hills, there's underground springs, and there's actually two caves on this property. And none of this has ever been addressed. And it concerns me that we're talking about the steps system. Knowing most of the runoff goes straight to the river. I'm also aware of some of the problems that over there at Yelton Road, if you go back, it's right there at Chalford Place. They have had septic step system problems. There's actually sewage that is there, and we've had farmers over there that can't even get their tractors because there's so much of sewage there. So... I know by adding another 400 homes we'll create a nightmare for the neighbors for years to come, which would be almost impossible to fix after it is approved. We've always tried to be good stewards of the land for ourselves and for the community as well. I hope an alternate plan can be found and still be profitable for the developers and not so disruptive for the community. And I can answer any questions about Estes Road. I'd like to bring up the slide. If you could, on the road for Estes Road, if you look at it, I mean, my dad's house is just like right up against it. If you look, there's the metal building right there, and it's like right up against it. I'm worried about the traffic coming off of it. off of their hill right through there. It's a lot. And I believe, too, that people will try and get to a shorter route. They will come out Estes Road, go out Bradshaw Road, and go out Academy to get to a red light. So, but thank you for your time.

Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else wishing to speak on this case today? Seeing none, we'll close. I'm sorry, Commissioner McFarland, I apologize.

I feel like I need to address the board. Of course, it's your decision on what you do. And I think everybody here feels the pains of growth. They were evidence counties trying to need to build roads and not enough funding to do that. And I feel for everybody here. I truly do. A year ago, two years ago, when this was first approved, the plan was, and I don't want everybody to understand it, to try to eliminate a house on every two acres, and that's the standard now. For example, if we had 500 acres, 250 houses on it, we'd have a house farm. And try to cluster the houses in one area and leave that open space in the other. And that was the decision made two years ago, if you will, in the PUDs. So it's entirely up to your decision, but this is the best plan. this is version three this is the best plan that i've seen uh if it's going to be developed rather than taking all that land and putting multiple multiple multiple houses on these condensed old houses down and uh leave a lot of open space but i hope the board takes in consideration all the comments have been made here today thank you sir yes ma'am please come ahead

I'm Gwen Bates, part of my late husband, Peyton Bates, I'm sure, but the Bates farm on Academy Road and all around there has been there. homesteaded years ago but I've been there 36 years and I've seen a lot of changes in the 36 years happened on Academy Road one thing 109 being widened and a red light at Academy Road but there's so much traffic on Academy Road now I'm I'm right at uh Double log cabin and Academy Road. Sometimes I think I need a red light at my driveway to get out. I mean, all of this is overwhelming as to how many subdivisions are being built in the area. And the Denson place is one house over from me, and I know Marlene and you, Denny. And I always liked it when they had their cows there because I loved hearing the cows. And the neighbors, well, a lot of the homesteaded farms have been sold and divided off and that's fine. But the 70 acres that Marlene has right there, there'd be one entrance off Coles Ferry. A lot of people I've talked to on Coles Ferry do not want it. There's subdivisions there on Coles Ferry that's been built. And then on down the road, there's another new subdivision coming in that houses, I don't know how many houses will be there. But the wildlife, I mean, the area that's been where Marlene and other places, too, I guess it's been talked about here on Bradshaw Road and Bates Road is A1, and it's agricultural and environmental. There's a lot of wildlife there. There's turkey and deer, you know, and they keep putting houses. They're going to have to start. letting them live with them. You know, there's just no, there's nowhere for them to go. I'll ask this, the master land use plan for this farm is located in an environmentally sensitive area. Can you speak on how planning commission can ensure a new subdivision does not impact the environmentally sensitive area? I mean, it will. All that's planned on being going on out there, the traffic, I don't know how they can handle the traffic. I just really don't. And one thing about the Denson property, if that does go through, and I know the SEP system is not good back there because there is some low line traffic water where it stands that were trees more trees would have to be torn down but if that does go through one thing we do want to keep from the denson place on down whoever it would affect as far down as it goes that the fence and the tree the on the property line would stay that they would not be taken down, the fence line or the tree line on Academy Road. People that live there, that the fence line and tree line would not ever be taken down.

I'm not familiar with that. She's actually, she's actually... I know. She's actually speaking to an additional item on the agenda.

Well, I didn't know. They were talking Bates Road and Bradshaw Road and then someone did mention the Denson Farm because I'm Right there too. And I thought maybe I better get up before they end this. But thank y'all for listening. Thank you.

Thank you. I'll say one quick thing. It won't take just a second.

Yes, sir. I'll give you one second.

All right. I'll give you the paper I received in the mail today was on the 33 lots. That is correct. It was not about it was it was on the 33 lots.

That is on the agenda, yes, sir. We're just not to that particular item.

Okay.

It's part of this one.

Okay. These are two standalone developments. That's what she was referring to. Yes, sir. Okay. I just want to say one thing about the environmental hazard impact of this. This right here is not the right geographical location for this type of development. Period. And the thing about it is, it's not about wealth or growth or if I get to run cattle or my great-grandchildren get to run cattle. It don't have nothing to do with that. The geographical location, the way the roads and systems are set up in that area cannot handle what they're trying to develop and try to do. It'd be like going to Noreen and saying, this is what we're going to do. It ain't going to work.

Thank you, sir. Do we have anyone else wishing to speak? As a current resident... Sir, I'm sorry.

If I can't, just briefly.

Okay. I'm making a mistake by doing this, but... You're going to get beat up.

I know.

So as a current resident, I want to speak to what I've heard about the roads. The only addition, number one, there's already a plan that's approved a year and a half ago. They're going forward with it. If this amendment isn't approved, this amendment adds another lane on Bates to make it safer for the residents of Chalford to turn out of our neighborhood onto southbound Bates Road because there's a hill immediately to the right of us that people fly over way too fast. And we turn out, and they can hit us if they're not paying attention. But beyond that, today, I turned off of Bradshaw onto Academy. I only have a car. That, ever since I moved here three years ago, has been a far too dangerous intersection. It's like when I grew up in central Illinois, we'd come up to a square mile where there's corn on all four corners. You have to pull your nose out to the very end to see if anybody's coming. That's Bradshaw and Academy already. We need that protected lane. We already need that. We already need a protected right hand turn off of 109 on debates, which is being proposed. I do that every day. Please, Mr. Sheriff, don't come and get me. I drive on the shoulder every time I make that turn so that people don't hit me. These improvements that are being presented relative to this amendment are things that we already need and they're paying for them. So thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Please come forward.

My name is Steve Douglas, and I live at the very end of Estes Road up there on top of the hill. And just one quick question. Is there any minimum distant requirements that a county road can be built beside an existing structure? This is in reference to the Joe Estes property, the barn there that's right beside the road. It's where I had a fender bender there four or five years ago because of traffic going both ways, and that's the way the road is set up today. And I talked to the road commission guy. He said that they are going to widen that road, But I was just curious if there is a law for a minimum distance away from an existing structure.

There's a minimum setback distance from property to structures that is built, is placed to help protect those instances. Some of those structures that you're referencing that I believe those are actually currently in Wilson County right away. So they're over the property line. And that was discussed at the road commission meeting that I was at. And that's why the road is outlaid the way it is to be as far away from those existing structures without having to negatively impact those. But to my knowledge, based off surveys that we've been submitted, some of those structures are currently in the county right away at present.

Well, if the road is going to be wide and you can't have a barn three feet away from the roadway, That'd be a major hazard there. And the road is only, I'm guessing, maybe 15 foot wide now. And it's going to have to be widened.

Are they going to get property from... All of the widening that they're proposing on Estes Road is going to be done within the existing right-of-way.

Okay.

Thank you. Thank you, sir.

We have anyone else wishing to speak on this case today? If not, I will close the public comment section and ask if we have any questions or comments from our board.

Mr. Chair, the answer to that is yes, naturally. And I actually made a mistake today. I made a date with a barbell and 45-pound plates at the gym, and I'm going to miss that because of this. So my apologies. If I hadn't made the date, this probably wouldn't have gone so long, but I was expecting a 45 minute meeting, but we can't just walk away from concerns of Wilson County. So here we go. When people see greener pastures like Tennessee, it is up to the Tennesseans and more so Wilson Countians to be good stewards and gatekeepers of what we created law for. So I say that and some of you are going to get mad and then I'll preface it as we go. We are a body that conduct our business, correct me, Mr. Chairman, within the law the state creates by the people you elect. We're not elected. We're appointed. The elected officials are your commissioners for the county, state representatives and other things. So is it important who we elect? Absolutely. We talk about PUD, that's state-level PUD. approval through Chris's office. He has some latitude to make decisions, but not a lot. I don't think I'm defending a whole lot of things because I got a lot of questions. But people said we need to do this about the roads. We all agree the roads have issues. We can't tell TDOT or anybody what to do. We can give suggestions. We can send letters. We've done that. We can ask Chris, please do this for us. But that's as far as it goes. You have more power than we do as far as talking to the state. And I'll give you an example. There are places that we need lights all over the county, okay? And this is my opinion, okay? Let me just make sure I read this properly. I got a lot of notes, so please forgive me. If it's a state road, the state must accept the new lights, maintenance, and replacement. They have to say, we'll take it if the lights come in. Otherwise, it reverts back to the county or whoever put it in. Okay? I don't know if it's the developer has it for a year, and then the county has to take over or whatever. But if it becomes a state road, they have to accept it. In my opinion, the state tends not to want to accept this responsibility. So who do you talk to? Your state rep. That's how you get those things pushed in and pushed hard, okay? So I wanted to address that. PUD sizes, regulated by state. We can't come into this county and say we want two houses per PUD.

I actually think you need to let Christopher speak. Yeah, as far as.

We do have a PUD zone. Yeah, there is a Wilson County PUD zone. Yes, sir. Please take that, and then I got more questions.

As far as the PUDs, those are regulated by the local authority. I mean, we can make our PUDs say whatever the planning commission or the county commission has the will to do at that point. Well, then, to the point to the individual that came up.

I have a question for the developers. First question, why were the lots removed? And I'll preface it with, were you trying to be kind to the neighborhood? Were you just saying, we don't need that lot yet? Or was there an original concern for surface water from the uphill step system that exists now? So anyone want to step up and address that? Why did you remove them? Are you just trying to be a good citizen or what?

Exactly that. The Chalford Place subdivision obviously had issues with the homes being behind there and destroying that entrance there. So it had nothing to do with drainage. It had nothing to do with anything other than We wanted them to like the development. I mean, like I said, we want it to be the best development that we can make it, and that opens up that front corridor with no homes.

So to your knowledge, there's no standing water, surface water with absorption issues?

I'm just the attorney. I'm not the engineer, but, yeah, I've never seen the site, and maybe somebody else can address that, but I'm not aware of any drainage issues.

I saw a no shake, so I'm assuming that's a no. Okay.

I believe just from... Being relaying with stormwater, the standing water that I'm aware of that's in that particular pasture right there is actually to the south of where their entrance is, which is not the Blackstock property.

Correct. But is it adjacent to or linked to the step system that exists now in their neighborhood?

I don't see how, I mean, unless water's running uphill now, I don't see how that could be an issue. Remember, I'm not allowed to go out there, so anyhow.

Each meeting nets additional information, Mr. Chairman. So every time we talk about this, more data. This is civil, so my colleague down here can work with me on this as well. We heard lean clays. That's a big deal when you talk about absorption. And I agree that to build on lean clays is a good substantial support, not for water runoff and not for step systems. So in my opinion... If they only tested certain areas where they're building, that's one set of data. Is there lean clays and did you core completely where the step system is going? That's one of the questions of the community. So I want to make sure that it's stated for the record that, yes, we have, and no, we're not concerned about strata, lean clays, or any of the other.

We've had soil scientists go out into the soil areas for the step field and run the testing on that, and then it was good.

Just for the record, sir. I wanted to hear that. So thank you so much. Now I'm gonna do a little math because I didn't get a chance to get any mathematics beforehand and that seems to be something we miss sometimes. Mr. Troy said that it was the same open space as before. They removed all variances and I'm trying to correlate this math. Then added lots and larger setbacks. Please correct me if I didn't hear that right, Chris. All that is accurate. All that is accurate. All right. How in the heck is there more open space with that kind of math? They've consolidated. I got a box. It's this size, and I've added a lot more lights, and I've got greater setbacks for these lights, which is a statement that was made. How does that happen, Chris?

Did you look at that math? The math is some of the lots like the average lot size in the original plan they had some state lots in that particular plan some of those lots for 3, 4, acres large now the average lot sizes for this entire development or somewhere between 7200 and 12,000 square feet and so that's In that particular, if you honed in specifically per acre, 12,000 square feet, you're at three and a half units an acre, as opposed to some of the estate lots for three acres themselves.

You can see the confusion. 435 lots jumped to 537 with a capacity for 566. Yes, sir. Now, when I'm putting a bunch of marbles and rocks and things in this box, there's a whole lot more of them. So I really want to come to your office and see how that works, okay?

The way that you would do that is originally they had bigger marbles in the box, and now they've placed smaller ones in there.

I'm with you, but there's still voided areas in it. So anyhow, we don't have all day, unfortunately. Other questions? New road widening to Bradshaw. Okay. This widening, I see it all through the division and all the way out to the main thoroughfares and tributaries. Is this property condemned? Was it originally in setback area and does it increase the setbacks as they widen the road and does it get into these people's property? A young lady came up and said she don't want people in her front porch. Are they buying these people's property to widen the road? Or is it they just come in and say, hey, good luck, we're condemning this. Is that the case? Question for record. Yeah.

The County Road Commission has not condemned any property historically. Mike may be able to speak to that a little bit better than I, but to my knowledge, the County Road Commission has never condemned right away for any sort of road improvement plan. All road improvements that we currently have in the county have either land been dedicated by the developer that is doing that development or they've been done with an existing right away. Now, I know when you drive on roads in the county, you see an existing pavement width. The standard right-of-way for 90% of the roads in the county, I don't want to go that high because East End is probably going to kill me on that percentage. The majority of the highly traveled roads in the county, the standard right-of-way width is 50 feet wide. Your standard pavement width that you see in there is somewhere between 18 and 26. So, I mean, there's an additional 7 to 10 feet off the edge of pavement of most roads on both sides in the county. We don't have it up here. Look at that barn. That barn is currently... In a right-of-way? It's currently sitting in the right-of-way, yes, sir. For 100 years, it's been sitting in a right-of-way? I don't know when the barn was constructed. But, yes, the barn is currently in the right of way regardless of the road width right there.

And then somebody answered this question, and I'll just repeat it. Does this development or developer have options in the future to build in the area of the 25 to 30 houses they're not going to build? And is there any contingency that can be written in a contractual environment between the developer and the residents in perpetuity? That would do questions for my own investigation.

This master plan would be that contingency and contractual obligation. If they want to get more lots, they have to come back before you and explain why they want those. And that goes back through a rezoning process. It's not a use by right just because they have allowance of extra lots. They have to come back to you and explain why they need those lots. And it's up to you whether or not you want to approve them.

um yes there is a there is a safeguard of sorts now we just heard about a second subdivision i'm not aware of that it is on your agenda later i don't know if i don't think this day yes sir that's completely standalone developments though but it gets right into the traffic pattern

They both will have traffic that hits Academy Road. Yes, sir. So a question to my colleagues, to the community, to anything else.

What are the steps to moratorium, set this down, and look at, we're building here, but we're going to build in these four other places too. Let's stop this and let's look at design. Now we're supposed, Chris is... Chris, his office has a great staff. They have tons to do, and he's only one man that can sit down with his staff and work all of his calculations out. And he's approached by 40 people a day to come in with a plan and a process and a project that says, hey, I want to do this. Now, there's a good venue. One of the gentlemen here who's always at the meetings when it is in his area, and I appreciate you, sir, for being here. But all the commissioners need to be around to understand how to vote to do this that represent you. So, you know, dang if you do, dang if you don't. Right now, guys, we're in a rock and a hard place. I don't even know how it was voted. She calls me Mr. No, so maybe I voted against it the first time. Is... This is approved. They can reflect back to that. So you either say this road improvement and lots that are not in the area that bother you in your area of life and that kind of thing. Or we go to the new one. So that's the decision for today. And the last comment, and I'll turn it over to Brother Neal because he always has questions right after me, is somebody somewhere in this, and I'm guessing this is a homeowners association? It will be required to have a homeowner association, yes. So at some point, somebody's going to start testing, and I'm assuming these design folk are going to do it, with water runoff and stations into Cumberland. Because that's our drinking water. That's feeding cattle, feeding us, you know, hydrating the community. And we're running off in there. So for a while, they're going to test it. And I've done it for years as an engineer. Had to do it in the places that I've worked. When that period ends for the designers and the developers and the project managers, HUD, I mean, the homeowners is going to take that over. And I guess I say this question again. Who is the legality that takes that responsibility and does it every time to make sure that when we drink water, we don't get sick? So rhetorical question at that point, Mr. Chairman, but my goodness, we got a whole lot and I'm sorry, but there we are. Thank you, sir.

Any other questions from our board?

I got a couple. I guess Renfro called me out, so I better have a couple. I guess maybe for the engineers, you know, I wasn't a part of the one that got approved, what would it say, 25. But I know it was a few less houses, 100 houses or so. But I guess what has changed? Like why get the extra 100? It sounded like from what I understood, everybody was kind of on board with the first one. Y'all kind of came out. The community was all on board. Everybody liked it from what I heard. And then now we're getting an extra 100. What's the reasoning for that? Is it just the putt only or –

Yeah, so that's just it.

The PUD ordinance changed, and so this is an effort to come more in line with your current PUD ordinance.

The county changed the PUD ordinance in between times.

Got you. Okay. I feel like it's more to that.

Economics are plenary.

Yeah, true. That's kind of what I wanted to hear. And then traffic-wise, I do see a lot of concern. And I don't think it was mentioned, and it's a lot further from here, but I feel like a lot of these people are probably going to work in Nashville or somewhere in that area. So how do you get to Nashville from here? Most people are probably going to go down 109, hit 40. And the only reason it popped in my head is I go to Nashville a couple days a week. I was traveling back yesterday, and if you travel 40, coming back from Nashville in the evenings, you know how bad 109 gets backed up. I mean, sometimes a mile on the interstate. Granted, I know we don't have any control of that, but this is going to dump a lot more cars there probably. So just a few things I guess I wanted to just mention here. Yeah. Thank you.

Anyone else with questions? Mr. Ash?

I guess I'm aware this thing's going to be built. Is it going to be built with better roads? are not as good roads as they had in the plan to begin with. It seemed like one of the major things this year. And it does kind of break my heart. I go down by Shirley's and all those new houses are down through there, you know, and it's, but... They drive my bicycle down here. I didn't have a bicycle, but I would have. It is it is, but that's it. Just something going to happen here. But what number one thing for me is. I want to know if that 10 acres is still off the. Half the agreement of this project. For the county.

So that was based on the mayor's request. The mayor did not want the 10 acres. We didn't have any issue with giving the 10 acres.

And I think I'm the one that raised the question, do we need it that day? I've been thinking about that some since then.

But it's conservation space as it's designed. The only difference is the county would not own or have to maintain that area. So that's the difference between the two. That B is called, I guess. Yeah.

and the impact of the water being run off into the common river i don't want to get into even them or us to be an issue with epa so i would have to rely heavily on my engineering team michael do you have any for water quality can you address that really quick I don't know if that mic's on or not. I'm getting a nod yes, that they will have to go through a water quality analysis for this development. Yes, sir. course there's always going to be the conversation about step systems uh that's not in our domain necessarily here i i would like christopher um number one i want to make sure these these new roads that are constructed are up to specifications and that would be exactly what gentleman talked about as far as that barn's concerned you know if you're going to have specifications i mean i hope somebody's working with that property owner on that

I don't know if the applicant has been directly in contact with that property owner. I know in our meeting with the Road Commission, we made some considerations for that road where it didn't snake around the building, and it's a straight shot, so it kind of limits the ability of swerving, hopefully. But as far as the structure being there, I mean, there's no push for anybody in the county, and I've not been directed to pursue anything to... relocate the building from the right away so we're trying to work around it as best feasible manner as possible so the road has been pushed to the northern side of that right away i believe as much as physically possible at this point to um mitigate meandering around that building but it's not the first barn it's going to end up on the side of the road i mean i can take you across this county there a bunch of yes sir and lastly um

In the back paragraph of staff recommendations on PUD, I'm going to ask this again. I'm going to ask it again publicly. It's not your fault, but I'm going to ask it again publicly. That when you send a notice to the school system, to Road Commission, to WEMA, that one be sent to the Sheriff's Department because they have a traffic division. And then I'm going to ask this, that you request them in writing, every one of those agencies to... Please respond with something in writing so you'll get it in writing, not in a phone call or text saying, yep, there's no going to be any impact. And it's going to be impact. But it don't mean that we can legally, we can't deny this project. It's here. I want to make it better and safer. That's the way I'm leaning right now toward this. That's all I have to say, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman.

I'm sorry. Just to your point, do you think the improvements, and maybe you're not the right person to answer this, accommodate 102 more homes? Because that's what...

That's the trade-off.

That's the trade-off. So is widening the road, is that enough of a trade-off?

The road wasn't widened enough in the original plan, and that concerned me. This looks better and safer to me. Better and safer. Not being an engineer, I couldn't say. I don't do the traffic studies. I would like to see the traffic study done.

I have it if you want it after.

I mean, you know, I just is it similar to the previous traffic study on this?

Yeah. Are you talking about the traffic study for the additional lot count? Yeah, they're. They're fairly similar. They both call out the improvements that they're working with through the state, that there's a little bit warranted there. They both already, regardless of lot count, call out Academy and Bradshaw. It needed improvements. It's already operating as a level of service F, regardless of whether or not you put any homes there.

Just to be clear, I'm not making these comments based on I'm opposed or for this. I'm going to get so many things into the record, especially about these traffic lights. I know.

Well, there's no traffic signals proposed with this development.

Traffic signals, not traffic lights, because I've heard it called both.

Right. I mean, they're interchangeable, I would believe. But there's no traffic signals nor traffic lights proposed with this development. All the improvements are physical pavement infrastructure widening.

I think a lot of folks here felt like there was going to be traffic signals, and I did not ever see any in these plans.

Well, there are none in the plans, sir.

Well, that's everywhere, too. But anyway, thank you for taking my questions.

Pardon me, sir. Yes, sir, Mr. Rafferty. Our colleague at the end segwayed something in for me to make a comment. The septic system. Now this is Wilson Post accepted legal document, I'd say legal, notice document for our community that all of the meetings, this meeting, everything comes out in it. So I'm not saying they have gospel, but in it, And I don't want to get the date on this. September 9th. State pauses permits for wastewater authority. So I have a question for my fellow members. We run ahead, build, we built schools, we didn't have sewer, we did all kinds of things. And now... They've received, that is, TDEC issued commissioners' orders and direct orders that had civil penalties of $812,000. And they are specific to, and I'm going to read this whole article, to... Bates Treatment Facility, Clay Estates Treatment Facility, Poplar Ridge, or Poplar, sorry, the tree, Man Road Treatment, Carroll Bend, Hickory Isle, and Academy Road Treatment Facilities all have issues. According to this research documented accepted paper as authority, and I'm wondering at what point Can we, and maybe for our counselor, he needs to answer this, say this is enough for now because it looks like when you read this, again, I'm not the legal side of this house, what is going to happen if this gets approved and they can't get a permit? So does this stay in limbo for the next year because nobody's issuing permits through ADENA slash the Water Authority, et cetera, until this is all corrected? I mean, we can't sit here and ignore these kind of things and go, hey, we'll just build another one. AND NOT FIX WHAT WE GOT.

THAT IS A GAMBLE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE. THAT WOULD BE A GAMBLE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO TAKE BECAUSE WE DO NOT GOVERN THE WASTEWATER AUTHORITY. THIS BOARD DOESN'T GOVERN IT. THE COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS DON'T GOVERN THEM. I'M ASSUMING THEY COULD PASS SIMILAR MORATORIUMS TO KIND OF BEING in compliance with them but that's not something that the county jurisdictions govern now as far as like the pud we require a preliminary analysis stating that they have found soils on the property and that they can support this many lots absolutely as far as getting the details on who the service provider is going to be and the design of that system we The only thing that this board is contributing is that they are acknowledging that the development is going to be served by public sewer. We do not designate any sort of entity who that has to be. We don't designate the provider or who has to oversee it. It will have to have a TDEC letter stating that it is approved as a public sewer provider, but the only thing this board is designating IS THAT THEY ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO BE SERVED BY THE PUBLIC SEWER. NOW IF THE DEVELOPER CANNOT FIND IN THIS PUTT IF IT'S APPROVED WE'VE CHANGED OUR REGULATIONS IT WOULD BE VALID FOR TWO YEARS IF IT GETS APPROVED FOR ACCOUNTING COMMISSION. IF THEY CANNOT SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THOSE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT THEY FOUND AN APPROVAL It's just going to lapse out by default because they're not going to be able to get that next step. I'm not going to recommend approval of a preliminary plat to you all without having that provider documentation in my hand. So, I mean, if they can't find that within two years of their final approval of this PUD, this PUD will lapse. It voids and vacates the previous one, and all of the land holdings that are tied up into this PUD go back to the A1 zone district. You know what that's like, Chris?

To me, simple, simple analogy. Not even engineering analysis. Like from a movie. Go get him, boy. Jump in there. Don't worry about how big the bear is. Can't ignore the bear.

Anyway. One last question, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Chris, in bold letters, and I'm trying to my best. We've all been through some special training this year about what we can legally and legally not do. y'all agree with that i hope so you've you've stated that this does conform to the language of the wilson county zoning ordinance in relationship to the pud and staff can recommend approval you still stand by that today yes sir don't have anything else mr chairman mr turner if this amendment is approved does the clock restart on their two years

Well, their current approval, that one was approved for a three-year time period. Our existing PUD language that's revised is two years. So, yes, if this development is approved, it's a new standalone development. The previous one, I've got language in there that voids and vacates that one. So even if there's still time on that previous one, it's done for.

That's two years from today.

Two years from a county commission approval.

Okay. Now this this completely has to go back to the County Commission. No different than the first time, correct?

Yes Sir, yeah.

OK, any other questions for border statements?

Yeah. So going to what Mr. Terry Ash was saying here about the the staff can recommend approval. Normally we see in there like and follows the land use plan or something like that, but that's not in this part.

That's why you would get a positive approval. Typically, like, if there's a negative recommendation, it's because it's not in conjunction with the land use plan. I mean, I'm not – I have to – Yes, sir. I have to issue my recommendations based off the existing land use plan.

Yes, sir. The one before – the one that we didn't – this is grandfathered in.

Yes, because this was originally submitted in May. So I have – And I've asked some legal representation on that. The county commission could maybe weigh into that if they would have adopted the land use plan, but they did not. Now the planning commission is the sole body of that, so you're considering it based on the existing land use plan. This original application was submitted with the old land use plan. It was in conformance then. I will let you know the new land use plan, the one that was adopted in June, this development would still conform with that if you want that information.

So quick question from a legal perspective, though, with a PUD, unlike if it was just they were asking to build whatever it's zoned to build. We don't have to give a reason for denial because they don't have the right for a PUD. That's just that's.

Well, you all are just given a recommendation. So, I mean, you could you could state that it. It has to be something that Mike's comfortable defending in court, but it doesn't have to, I mean, it could be not adequate road improvements, whatever the planning commission sees that it's lacking. That would be your reasoning for denial. But no, it doesn't have, it's not a use by right, if that's what you're asking. Yes, ma'am.

Any other questions from our board? Hearing none, I will call for a motion. I gave that to somebody else.

And we've you all did make the motion last month that you were going to that you put on record that you are going to issue some set of recommendations for this project. We're going to act today. Yes, sir.

I will make a motion that we approve the application based on staff recommendations. Do we have a second? Second. I have a second for Ms. Weathers. All those in favor, please raise your right hand. Is that four? All those opposed? Okay, we have a four to four vote. We have to have six votes to approve or deny anything.

Do you give me any guidance here on what we need to do going forward?

I would rather you have a motion for that this is not I mean again this is just a recommending body they're not final approvals but based off the the motion that you all made last month I would find some way whether it's no recommendation to leave it up to the county commission you are kind of skirting your responsibilities with that but At least it gets to the County Commission and that would be a tip.

They ultimately have the finals.

They, yes.

I'll make that motion, Mr. Chairman.

And I'll second it, Mr. Chairman. We have a motion to forward this to the County Commission with no recommendation from Mr. Ash. We have a second by Mr. Renfrew. All those in favor vote aye. Aye. Those opposed?

I'm... Since there's no recommendation, I'm not going to require an appeal or anything. So the way that'll work, that will be forwarded to the October County Commission.

Oh, that will give the applicant time also to, he needs to talk to some of these folks.

Sure. Yes, sir. I mean, it would, I can't require him to reach out to them. Yeah.

I just noticed that it's at least happening.

It's the 19th.

October 19th. Okay.

At this time, we'll take a five-minute recess. Amen.

Jerry? Oh, somebody's here. Hey. Thanks. I know, and there's a lot of new cooks. It's interesting. I'm giving you guys everything. I don't know. I can't really do anything else. All right, sir. You doing all right? Yes, sir. Good, good.

That's an hour and 45 minutes. I'm here.

Yeah, I'm here.

Yes, number two on site plans.

I had a condition where I lost sight in my eye about two months ago. It's not coming back. It's a six-word condition, but the two words I knew were neurological. I guess we'll see what they show, but I You know when you lose feeling in this? I mean, if you have questions, feel for staff. It's just what happens when you're asleep. Some reason you lose blood flow. You're up in nerves. They can't tell you why it happened. Short of the good Lord healing me, I mean, there's not even options.

Urological. Urological. Urological.

Urological. Urological. Urological. Urological. It happened about two months ago today. I went to sleep fine, and I woke up the next morning with what I call a cloudy eye. The next Monday, I went to Dr. Gallagher. He keeps telling me that I'm just getting older and I need glasses.

So that went on for two weeks. The last thing he told me is, you need to be in the emergency room down there.

He was thinking I couldn't.

I went. And thankfully, that wasn't the case. But I have an unbelievable neurological optometrist down there. This guy told me what happened before I told him what happened.

Well, potentially, but he says, look, 100 minutes. Certainly, it would have been better if I could have... I didn't have a pencil. It would be... They got me on steroids and it would be just like this.

And I will say I probably got 10% better if it happened. But if you were standing right here, I can make you out a lot better than I can.

My peripheral vision is going to be better. I don't have any to the left. Is there anything there? I don't know. This is not good. This is not good. This is not good.

But I feel like I'm doing

I'll tell you Earl, I'll see what kept you alive all this time. All your family's sweet. I know all your family. If he told me... I didn't bring his first name. Yes, sir. You just snatched him...

When I'm driving, I'll tilt my head maybe 10 degrees. I've got a full vision.

Well, I am ultra sensitive. I had to go to the bathroom yesterday, the bathroom was between me and my wife. Quite frankly, it's terrible when you get me something like that. That's right. Oh, yeah. I can tell you now. When I went to him, all I wanted to hear was the people. And we got people.

Yeah, we said, yeah, what happened? Yeah. So I was tied for the break on the ground.

Hopefully I don't get that. I only know right now. Yeah, yeah.

Hey, I'm Jack.

Hey, when I get up to speak... She's kind of my coach in my ears, too. I don't speak. That's Jeff.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, same.

I say there's a reason I met him. To meet you soon. There's a reason I met him. Good to see you. Good to meet you. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I'll just make a whole bunch of notes and get myself more confused. You had a pretty good-sized dairy, man. Thank you. I don't know. No, I changed it yesterday when I saw that. I had an assistant change it. Good Lord, we ought to be out here by then.

Well, I'm going to talk to Matt. Oh, hey. I was hoping we'd be out of here by 1.

I'm good with it. You know, crazy things.

He died young, didn't he? His daddy died young. He died. He had a daughter the same year as mine. One house or another, all I know. What's your daughter's name? She's married. There's three versions. Version one is the old people out front. That version is the old people out front. That version is the old people out front. That version is the old people out front. That version is the old people out front. That version is the old people out front.

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Thank you.

Go back.

Go back. Go back. Go back. Go back. Go back.

You don't have to do a projection on top of that for how many pounds. You do. You factor it up like 20 and we're...

It's reasonable. Yeah. You don't have more road road just coming up with roads.

The problem is like I said, who's going to find them?

We have, like, you've got to look out for a five-mile radius. Yeah, that'd get old pretty quick. But then, like, the further you get away, the more problems you get. But honestly, you should look further away because usually it's not really a part of the park.

Right here was a cave.

Well, it's broken. Like, peeled. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

right in this line the newspaper and can't even read the agenda no they're by discussion he and i sat in his car in the parking lot with air conditioning running just i should have gone like usually in what i'm not with the mayor it's nice you know dolphins are a problem for nothing

At this time, we'll call our meeting back to order. Christopher will be ready to move into new business. I'm sorry, go ahead and finish with her.

Room 5 in the basement. First item for new business is for informational purposes only. This is an application made by Marcus Daughtery representing property owner Nabeel Kashan requesting to rezone property from A1 Agricultural to C3 Highway Commercial. The property contains approximately 4.04 acres and is located at 1556 Sparta Pike. His reference is parcel 113 on Wilson County Tax Map 82. This is in Lebanon's UGB boundary right outside the existing. It's just to the south of the existing city limits. To give you a little bit more context, it's the house that recently had a house fire about three weeks ago. So they're going through. They will get their recommendation through Lebanon's Planning Commission and then will ultimately come back to the full county commission for final approval. No action is required on your all's end. Jumping into site plans to be presented. First item is site plan for TMW Insurance Group and signage. With relocation of the sign 25 feet from the right of way and other technical corrections staff can recommend approval. The existing proposed sign was a hair too close to the right of way, so we're still waiting on revisions for that.

Do we have anyone here wish to speak on this case today? Do we have any questions for our board?

Do we have a motion? Motion to approve baseball's test recommendations.

Second. I have a motion from Mr. Turner, second by Ms. Weathers, to approve. All those in favor, vote aye. Aye. Those opposed? That motion will carry. Ready for the preliminary for the cold series subdivision, 833 Academy Road.

Was there a no on that. No that's okay. The next one is 833 Academy Road. This is the preliminary and we have required the developer to update the name and that will be represented going further if the development moves forward in our application laws. We do not allow DEVELOPMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED AS ROAD NAMES. SO THIS IS BEING CHANGED TO FOUNDERS RESERVE. THE PRELIMINARY IS THIS 33 LOTS BEING MAP 26 PARCEL 8. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETS REQUIREMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE COUNTY SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS. THE APCOON HAS DECIDED TO GATE A PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT I do need to update my staff, Rex. It's a total of 22 lots behind the gate, not 26. 22 of the 33 lots will be behind a private access gate, and that will not be public road infrastructure behind the gate.

Can you answer the question the lady brought to our attention earlier about the strip that goes out to Coles Ferry, Christopher? Sure.

There's two strips to go out to Coles Ferry, so I can point to this behind you. The proposed entrance is going to be right here on this strip of Coles Ferry, and the Road Commission is requiring a center turn lane and a decel lane on Coles Ferry for this particular development. There is another smaller strip here. This strip is not going to be utilized in any facet. This tract right here is actually where they're showing their preliminary analysis for all of their soils locations. They are proposing an on-site public sewer system as part of this development. But this strip, I'm assuming, will just most likely go unmaintained if the development...

So what?

No access on the southern portion. All the access for this development, the sole access for this development, will be on the northern part.

Crash gate going out.

Crash gate going out for the... On that small access, I mean, there won't be any pavement whatsoever on there.

That is the strip y'all were talking about ran beside your house, sir?

Yes, sir. There's a right-of-way. I was going to ask about that.

If you would, give us just a minute. I just wanted to make sure that's what y'all were talking about. I apologize. Christopher, I'm sorry. That ain't going to be nothing done to that.

if this gets approved yes sir that would be a guarantee right now i cannot speak to that if they decided to pull that and use that as a driveway access okay You have anything else on that? The only thing that's unique about this is they are proposing a public sewer development. All of these lots are used by right in the A1 district. They are all 80,000 square foot or larger. So they are meeting the minimum criterion. The developer has chosen to utilize some form of step system. They're still unsure at this point in their phase of the provider for that. That would have to be disclosed before they get a final approval by this body. Thank you, sir. You're here to represent this, sir?

Yes, sir. Good afternoon. We've flown past the morning. Kyle Griffin, CSTG 2305 Klein Avenue. Thank you for being here today. Really excited to bring this development in front of you all. What we've heard over months and years is be compliant. estate lots here's one uh a1 straight zone 80 000 square foot lots single access half of the road commission half of the roads will be privately maintained and operated by us behind the gate so there's less of an impact to the county roads i heard in the previous discussion uh folks concerned about the landscaping the tree roads along the property line we have no intention to be That far back with any type of grading operations, we're happy to maintain those fence lines and those tree rows. What you don't see on this very clearly is these lots, especially the ones on the south side of the road, are 550, 600 foot deep. So even with the home up by the road, there's a football field worth of backyard which here it is lawn it is pasture it's not wooded but a lot of the tree canopy between the existing homes and the property line are wooded 50 60 70 85 yards between homes to the property line and then another 100 yards to a home potentially within the development Another thing that was mentioned, the private access lane on the west side of the site. We do show a lot over there, lot 19 on the far west side. It does not have access to the private lane and it will not have access to the private lane. It will connect to our interior roads. And then the stub on the southeast side, that finger that goes out to Coles Ferry, we have no intention of putting any kind of road or access in through there. It's just going to be land that's part of the development that will not be accessed. Does it become part of a lot or is it just part of here? It's just part. It'll be open space. Open space. The one that goes down to Academy. No, to the right, to the close area. The narrow strip, that little narrow strip on the south side, on the bottom. What's happening there going down to Academy? Is that part of this development? That's a lot. It is the remnant parcel. It is the homestead. It's been getting cut off. It'll be 10 acres by itself. Part of the community right, but it's it's not access from our our interior roads. Yeah, they'll have the same access that they've always had to down to Academy. And that will be maintained as it sits today it we won't have any kind of structure going in. On that 10 acre lot. I think it's 10 acres.

Yes, sir.

So it's really 32 new homes, the 33rd is an existing home. Happy to answer any questions that you might have.

We may need you in a minute. Anyone wish to speak on this case? Please come forward.

um my name is jennifer and i live at 8870 coles fairy pike what's your last name i'm sorry mccaskill okay and my property is the one that is put use your little green dot thing um it is the one right there in the middle that goes all the way that's surrounded by the houses so it's one two three houses and jack our neighbors in front of me But anyway, I own that part. Do you see it? I don't know. But anyway, we're right next to the property of driving in. And I appreciate that you're going to make it a nice neighborhood. I do. My concern is, of course, the tree lines. I don't really want to just look at... you know houses right right next to us i'm glad that they're nice houses too that's good but there's a road when i looked at the plan there's a road that goes behind the property do you see what i'm talking about like my property 8870 right but it looks like there's like there's no buffer there you know what i mean it looks just it looks kind of like the road goes right up to the property line so i was wondering if there could be just more more green space some more space between a I forget what you talked about. Is it conservation lot? I don't know what you talk about, but space, green space there. That would be nice, especially because, you know, you hear everybody's statements today and it's hard for people because that's their it's their home. And so I feel like if if the builders would make an effort to just, you know, make some space for people, I think everyone would be a bit. a bit happier. So for me, it's the tree lines. Also, my husband wanted me to ask, too, the water running off. So we have a lot of water that comes, you know, when it rains, it's bad. And the water comes through, and every neighbor just puts in a bigger culvert, right? So then the water comes to the next house, and then the next neighbor does it, and then it goes. So I am concerned about that. You know, when you mess with everything... where's the water going to fall so we actually are currently building our house on that property and we've been there for a long time we're building our house currently it's almost done and I was like hey it's going to be done and we're going to just get to look at all the cows and all the nice nature and then I'm like ah you know so you know so now there'll be trucks and everything in there so I mean I understand that neighborhoods are going to come But, you know, I'm also wondering about those lots, too, to the right, like those first three lots when you pull in. They're kind of a weird shape, so I'm thinking, are you going to drive in perpendicular, I guess, to the lot, or are they long lots? Do you know what I'm saying? Like those first three lots when you pull in? You know, like, you can answer that, but that's all I have.

Thank you. You want to answer that first?

So those first 3 lots they will front the access road so they're not going to be oriented like long ways. They'll access the main road that we're installing. I don't see any reason why we couldn't screen those homes to your property in the backs. Add some landscaping on the back side of those lots to screen it.

Yeah like giving us a space between you know

I wouldn't be able to provide any open space because these are 80,000 square foot lots. I have to meet the minimums and I would be struggling to dedicate more open space. We could put trees on the homes strategically so that you're not seeing viewsheds into the homes for lots one, two, and three. I would struggle to move the north-south road to the west because those lots four, five, and six, they're all 80,000. They're right at 80,000 and they're pinched by what we are anticipating to be a stream buffer, which we are protecting.

maybe we could the road like hit because it like if you look at it and you blow it up it looks like literally the road is on the tree line like the line of the property the the right-of-way does about the property line like is there going to be some space you know it would the way it's laid out currently like if it was planted it would give your property direct access to that right away i mean you

not that you want it but you would have you would have every right to utilize that road for anything you saw feasible if the tree line is here it's like a foot away from the now when you say the road i know this is a misconception like when you mention road are you talking the right away or the physical pavement it would probably be somewhere between seven and ten feet Now, to answer your initial question about landscaping in that 7 and 10 feet, our road commission will not permit that. So it will be a mode strip.

We're happy to talk with her after this and try to figure out a way to screen it. Even if it is not on our property, I'm pretty sure we could probably figure out a solution.

Existing tree lines and fence lines, you're not going to take any trees out, are you? That's our hope.

Which ones are fenced in? You said 22 of the 32?

Where's your gate at? It is on the 28-29 property line. So just past the intersection. So we have basically a hammerhead intersection with the road going to the south for turnaround. And then... everything beyond that green dot would be private.

The fact that is on the other side of our property to I'm guessing saying that the problem I don't want to just I don't I know what they kind of look like I just don't want to.

Yeah, I'm saying like I'm going on the on the drip feels dispersion fields.

We are obligated to pull those facilities, I think it's 1020 feet off the property was 20 from a property line.

So again, those if there is a tree line there on the property line, it wouldn't be impacted. We can't put anything that we can't put it on the property line, so we have to pull off some.

Thank you. Yes, Sir.

Hello, I'm Jack Bradford. It's my daughter Stacy Cherry. She's kind of my coach in my ears, I live right on Coles Ferry Pike, right adjoining the right-of-way coming in. I've got two acres and a house. But my concern is I get a whole lot of runoff from the streets and the subdivisions up above me now. Is the runoff people with, I guess, the codes? We have a county stormwater department. Right. How are they going to contain the runoff when they put all the houses up front there? You can see one, two, three houses there, or lots. And out next to the road is where my property is. And at times, I can't get out my driveway because the water sometimes gets that deep. So it's going to get worse with this subdivision and the road. And so can they control that some way? They will have to submit road and drainage plans to the... Yeah. Which will be reviewed. And also, that's a dead-end road. Coles Ferry is. It runs down to the lake. And... traffic in the mornings from seven to nine you got to wait to get out of my driveway it is packed bumper to bumper and i live half to three four quarters of a mile off academy road so is there plans in the future to widen coles ferry with a turning lane into the entrance

I can't answer that. I don't know the answer.

Are you talking like at Coles Ferry and Academy there?

At Coles Ferry and Academy, you mean?

Yeah.

The entrance to the subdivision will have a turn lane into it, yes. They're having to dedicate it from theirs.

I've got a small lot, and if they come through and widen that road, they're going to get half of my front yard. Which I'm not going to be happy about that, but I don't know what you can do and can't do.

The only thing they can actually utilize is the existing right-of-way. Is that accurate, Christopher? Unless they make some accommodations with you.

Yeah, so they're like... They're going to be utilizing the existing right-of-way right in front of their property where the bulk of the turn lanes are. They will most likely be dedicating a little bit of additional right-of-way. But, like, where the tapers are going to happen after the property line, those will have to be done. Unless they make some sort of agreement, those will be done within the existing right-of-way.

Got enough room to do what you need to do?

At this point, we'll be collecting them.

Well, I assume the main entrance to this subdivision is going to be on Coles Ferry Pike, correct? It is. What about on Academy Road? It's not going to be an entrance there? There will be no access. Everything's coming through there. Is the utilities going to be all underground? No. They are. There won't be any telephone poles sitting everywhere next to my property. I think they plan on doing everything underground, sir, according to their engineer. And you know about the cemetery on that piece of property? I believe in cemeteries. You don't live out there, do you? I don't know where the cemetery is. Okay. Cemetery lies. And that's the entrance. Plans are remaining. Call this area. It's coming in. Well, as long as we settle the runoff is the biggest thing.

Yes, they will have to submit plans on how they're going to handle that. And our county stormwater department will have to approve those.

And not only mine, back where Jennifer's is. she gets flooded out back there when it rains and stuff. So it's a whole lot, not just myself, but the other neighbors also. If we can, you know, hey, will the entrance have any kind of special, how will the entrance look? Just a regular road?

We'll have interim orientation. It'll be at our sixth point in conjunction with those programs.

Will it be landscaped out front to go in? Yes. Yeah. All right, Mr. Chairman. I guess that's all I got. I was just kind of concerned about up front where I'm at. I understand, sir. Hey, thank you. Thank you, sir.

Mr. Chairman, Mr. McCaskill and Mr. Bradford, where are their properties located? And for my identification, where is the cemetery?

There is a cemetery.

Mr. Bradford property leaves right here. Yes, sir. There was an unmarked grave Right in this area just north of the property line.

I think it is marked it is marked and I think it says like I want to say it's like it didn't show up on the public a grave or multiple a I I think it's one one one grade.

So OK, and then and then Miss McCaskill's is where?

Yeah, I'm behind Mr. I'm behind Jack.

It's right up beside my property.

North or South? I mean South or West?

Set on my deck and see them. Monument sticking up so it is more so she.

So she borders the new property line? She is the large, yeah. Mr. Bradford is that front piece that he pointed out? She is the larger piece directly behind Mr. Bradford. Okay. And how do you guys get into your properties now?

Do you just have a road where the road is being proposed?

No. My property, I get in on 2nd and right. You're looking at Jack's property. There's a driveway. So it's a smaller access. But yeah, I have my own driveway.

So that stays for you? You can get in and out still?

Yeah, I can get in and out there. I have my own driveway. The big issue is the run, you know, really is runoff is huge. I mean, I don't know what you guys are going to do, but you probably need to really think it through.

Yeah, there are existing conveyances. You can see them very clearly, one running along Coles Ferry, one hitting your property about halfway through. We wouldn't be changing the patterns. We would just not be increasing the impacts that they're seeing today. And if we have the ability to reduce them some, we will do our best to do that.

Thank you. One more question, Mr. Bell. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, the soils you have there, it's servicing the septic system is servicing both private and public in this case. And who's responsible for taking care of, is it a shared responsibility to take care of that septic system monetarily slash service-wise since it's private? Or is that something that's going to be done with Hedenas and et cetera?

The only private component is the road itself. All of these homes will be part of the same HOA. Think of it as any other development that you've seen. It's all the same except some of these roads get maintenance by the HOA instead of the Road Commission. Okay. So there will be a responsible party for the soils areas Typically it's a danish and the wastewater authority right. There's no it would be no different there no special addendum knows it's we are not a sewer operators. So there would be a company that comes in and operates that system. Thanks.

Right there but the sewage that goes behind the property is that going to be a dead end like this it's not going to ever be attached to anything so it's not going to be like a follow through.

It is set up to connect to the next property. That is not, yeah, it's not our property. We don't have control over it. That was, I believe, a...

It would be the Victor Nixon property. That's a requirement of Wilson County.

What do you mean by that?

That's the Victor Nixon property. That is set up as a temporary turnaround. So if the Nixon property ever does develop, that road could continue through all the way to Academy. Yes, ma'am. comment. And that is a connectivity requirement that we require for Wilson County.

Water's always stood there. Forever, they'll tell you that, from down through there. The more we pave the roads, the higher the dam gets. Does that make any sense? So water runoff is a concern, so if y'all can address that. We'll do it right by the county on that. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone? Yes, Mayor, Mr. McFarland.

Mr. Lubber, I read the soils area there and how it's going to affect the surrounding.

If he's so inclined to, yes, sir.

Would you mind, Chris?

Chris Luber, Executive Director for the Water and Wastewater Authority of Wilson County. I don't have any details on this. I have a state operating permit or any applications submitted to us. Our board hasn't approved any parcels to provide public sewer. to the subdivision at this point in time. In reference to soils areas, I mean, you know, the engineers, they work with the soil scientists to do all the soil profiles and work with TDEC as far as approvals, everything else. So as long as TDEC approves that, whoever the provider might be, I wouldn't anticipate any issues with the step system there.

Thank you, sir. Anyone else wish to speak on this case? Yes, sir.

Thank you. The crook lot right there, that's on both sides of my property. So them three lots and that lot on the – would be the northwest, that 90-degree angle there. Our driveway is – bordering them first two lots. And as you follow that back, them two lines, that section there on the right, that first 90 degree angle, is my parents' house. That next lot that says Crook is mine, and it's all adjoining to our other 60 some odd acres that we have now today. I know for a fact that we still have old, we got spring fed ponds, there's water there. I know I couldn't get a soil sample there when I built my house 10 years ago. Where them lots are, I walk through there every day. Maybe not all of them all the way, but all them four, five, I walk through there every day. And it's been until a week or two ago that I could get my tractor in there. The runoff and environmental hazard that it's gonna create on them lots right there, because it goes all here, and then it goes down to Academy. There's a 10 acres right there before you get to Academy that couldn't be built on for years. That's why we didn't buy it, because it's a swamp. In the middle of August, it's got water that deep. Right in behind that is springs, underground springs right there. And part of Ms. Denson's property, because she has a spring-fed pond there, it's going to be where this whole development is going to take place. And geographically, you can look, topographic view or however, that is a low spot. It runs off from our existing farm, my lots, all the lots behind me where these people live. It all settles right there. has for years. I'm just 50 some odd years plus. I don't have that many years, but I can go back 100 or so, and it's not going to change. And even if you do put underground utilities and curbs and tiles and all that, where is it going to go from there? Because to get it to where it needs to go, you're going to be coming through somebody's property. And them tree lines there, the barbed wire that's still there from years and years ago is our barbed wire. That's our fence rug. And I don't want to lose it. I'm not going to lose it. And if there's going to be trees taken, I want it in writing. I want everything in writing before there's any kind of thing done on my lot. And if Orton is existing, like years to come, I heard Mr. Lawless, heard you say something about moving that through Academy. How did we get to this point where, Thinking it's going to be OK without notifying all the other landowners for the easements and the right-of-ways for getting the tile and drains and all that stuff.

We don't have...

Right around them?

There's not any off-site drainage easements or right-of-way easements that are being proposed with this.

So you're talking about settlement ponds?

Detention.

Same thing. I mean, I understand. I've been in, done it a little bit, you know, my life, not a whole lot, but.

as far as the connection yeah as far as the connection to academy that's not proposed yet but the county that's well it would be up if you don't mind right like the victor property that it is stubbing out to if if if that property doesn't sell for 100 years there won't be a connection for 100 years i'm not requiring him to provide the connection I'm just saying if the property ever develops, it offers that access. And we require connections and new developments for any development in the county to large acreage tracks surrounding those.

If he lives to be 100.

I'm not saying whoever buys it has to require it.

Not to my knowledge. I don't know if I'm... which person I need to direct it to, probably Mr. Lawless, I would think. When you turn in right on the corner of that whole plot there, which is our driveway, it's, you know, it's been fared to as a lane by my mother. It's our driveway. It's for 999 Academy Road and 1005 Academy Road. That property... That line right there, because I just sprayed it about a week ago, the fifth row, it's about four foot off that road. Six or eight foot. I got a 72 inch hustler that I try to keep it maintained and cornerstone because they run cattle right there. And I like to keep it maintained.

You're talking about like this private lane right here, right?

Yep.

This is your property.

And that one come down right there. That's my mother property.

Okay, so like as far as like for your mother's property, the way this is shown, there'll be a stub out that she'll be able to access a public road network. She will no longer, like if this was to develop, she would no longer be landlocked. So she would have another access point if she chooses. I'm not saying she has to do it. But as far as any of these lots that are being proposed, none of them will have access to what you're referring to as the private lane. Like nobody in this development will have access to the private lane that you maintain. Okay.

okay does that clear that part of it up yes sir okay i appreciate that uh why you got your pointer if you don't mind um right there uh yeah it's kind of like a dotted line lot yeah that's a detention pond lot so that's where the blood zone um the um And I'm not sure what the footage is, because I don't see a scale on that print. My eyes ain't good enough to see it from here anyways, if it was. But she has a cattle gate right there that she accesses.

Okay.

Off our lane. Because they don't want cattle trailers and things of that nature going up their asphalt driveway. And I totally understand that. I don't have an asphalt driveway, but if I did, I would. But... what are the requirements for that lane right there because them lots uh that yeah that 39 19

THIS IS A ONE ACRE OPEN SPACE LOT THAT THERE'S A PROPOSED DETENTION POND AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED BY THEIR ENGINEERS AND THEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY'S ENGINEERS FOR COMPLIANCE. THIS IS A STAND ALONE TWO ACRE LOT AND THIS IS JUST A SMALL ACCESS LANE TO GET TO THE DETENTION POND. THIS IS NOT A BUILDABLE LOT AS FAR AS STRUCTURES.

Straight up right there where lot 18 is, come down, it's on the Bates, right above 19, right above lot 19. This lot? On the private, our private land, yeah. That's a spring-fed pond. If you come to your right a little bit, that's a cul-de-sac. That's showing a cul-de-sac right there, right?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, Miss Denson has a spring-fed pond right there as well at this moment. My real concern is I don't know about the soil testing, where it's done, local, state, or whatever. But that is a real issue for those that are involved or it concerns any of y'all's jobs or things of that nature. I don't know any of y'all personally. And if it's not, do not take offense because I'm not trying to present it that way. But that area right there, there's a reason why it's back there behind that house. That is one of the lowest spots in that area. The other developed here, that's up on the hill by the blood. That is in a low, low, low spot. I couldn't even build a house. You see where it says crook. That 23 and 22 lots right there. If you can build a house right there, then somebody lied to me. And all my soil testing was done here locally.

Is all of this on soil step system proposed?

All that.

Which is up front. If you look at the cross hatch section there, sir, all of the wastewater will be taken to that area. There is none back here where you're talking about.

There will be runoff.

I was talking about septic.

I'm talking about storm drain runoff.

I'm not questioning that.

It'll flood my backyard right there, and it don't drain.

Yes, sir.

You know, and that's the concern is the impact damage it's going to have on our agricultural land. You know, and it's where I live. I understand. You know, and I know it's... There's great concern issues right there, and... That's my property. And moving forward, I don't know where this is going to go. But I would like, I don't know who to speak to or about the soil testing and who approves it.

It's a state agency that approves it. We don't have a local authority. We require copies of it before we approve it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, we're a public information office. I do not have it at this stage of a development, but yes. But if this comes to you and they present a final plat, we do require documentation that's approved at that point.

Ma'am, I'm sorry.

Please. Please, ma'am.

Okay.

It's Rita Martin Bates, and I'm trying to address the house in our lane. um that's right are you saying that that house with the 10 acres is not going to be included in the subdivision i think it's actually included in the subdivision but it's not going to function as part of the subdivision because it has access back out to colesbury or academy i'm sorry to academy road okay my situation is is the integrity of what we've had to endure with this little lane And to speak well of Ms. Denson, I do. I understand I wouldn't want cattle trucks going up and down a beautiful paved driveway. But this is where we live. And two or three years ago, if my memory serves me correct, we were presented... by the people that own the house that we own now. The last names was Hignett and Shields. She died and we bought it from them about a year or so ago, but our farm is in the back. Legal documents are so it looked, signed by Ms. Denson, to sign over our rights to that lane. Those legal documents, I wish I would have kept them, came to Bates and came to Crook and came to Hignett Shields. We now own Hignett Shields. We moved to the old house. So my problem with the situation is that do we have a guarantee since three years ago she sent legal papers to ask us to sign over rights when all she has, I guess, she has an access. We'll have to go back to the archives because we've been here to see who owns this property. driveway and we even looked for a county maintained road and there was so much money involved there's no way we could do it but it's you go down our driveway she has a cattle gate there that goes around to that house so we're going through the same issue whoever buys her house you know it's like coming down our driveway And we maintained that, thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars with slag and potholes and stuff. And the document that was given to us was that she would help maintain that road if we would sign anything that we had to do connected to that driveway. I'm just trying to find out if that house is sold, we're going to go through the same thing.

That's probably an issue I'm not qualified, and we're not qualified to answer that question.

Can he answer it? Can he answer it? This is a little dirt road, and we were certified with letters.

All that I can say is that we're happy to put something in our CCNRs that excludes us from accessing and utilizing that right now. What about... That's about all that we can do.

What about a new buyer? We're going through the same thing. I mean, it wouldn't be a situation if we hadn't been officially served.

It would cover every lot here, other than potentially Lot 33, which is the existing denizen. She would still... Not that she would need it. She wouldn't need it because... She doesn't need it now. She's not running cattle in the back anymore.

She is.

When this is developed.

Once it's developed. Yes, ma'am. I'm afraid you may have to dig a little bit deeper there, ma'am. We don't have the answer to that for you. I'm sorry. Thank you so much.

Anyone else wish to speak on this case today?

Just a few questions. I think most of the questions have already been answered, and I may be putting the cart before the horse. Do we know what type style homes are going to be built on this property, even though it is a gated community?

No. their minimum square feet um at the end they can ask the developer to come out come up and relay that information this board is not does not have legal capacity to ask that question i don't have a developer as of now then right correct well the developer would be dree's homes that's who submitted the application i'm just letting you know that this board can like you can ask it in public and if the developer wants to come up at the end and answer it that's fine this board cannot legally ask that question okay

As far as the, I think the minimum square feet, 80,000 square feet on the lots and so forth. Will these homes be allowed to have fence in their yards? What about a dog, chicken, horse, cow?

We, as far as the, unless they put something specific in their own CCNRs, which the county does not enforce, the developer can choose to limit that. But as far as the county goes, if they were to develop this as lot properties, we allow agricultural farming and pets on every residential lot in the county.

Will the developer make up his own HOH?

He is required to submit that, and they will require a copy of those recorded documents on file.

And the gate, where is the gate going again? Is it going there?

It is roughly right here on the property.

Okay. Why did they decide to put it right there?

We have a subdivision regulation that we do not allow dead in streets or temporary dead in streets that no longer than 500 feet from an intersection. If they chose to do it as a development and all public road there would have been or an additional stuff out similar to what you see going down to the Victor property to the South they would have been a required one going North. And on private roads we do not require that.

I think that's it. Thank you for your time.

Thank you, sir. Anyone else wish to speak on this case today? Yes, sir.

So, Brian McDaniel, 743 Academy Road. Question, was this council, I'm assuming that you guys were part of approving the land use document earlier this year?

We voted on it, yes, sir.

So that plan calls for, this farm is what is in an environmentally sensitive area. Can you guys define why it is designated that?

I would have to clarify on that. I'm not, where are you getting that information from?

There was a map in there and it's highlighted as light green, which that light green says it is environmentally sensitive.

Less than 1,000 people.

Look up the definition of environmental sensitive. It's in the front part of that book. One of them had definitions in it.

Unfortunately, I'm very familiar with this document. I'm not familiar with the map. I know I have land use categories and that there's open space and agricultural use that has environmental sensitive areas outlined in it to be worked around, but as far as this particular portion of the county completely being called out as environmental sensitive, I'm not... I'm drawing a blank on that. I'm not saying it's not in there. I'm just not familiar with that particular part of Arlene's plan. I mean, I've been through.

I can tell you what page it's on after I look at the doc. Okay. The other thing is this subdivision is going to actually empty onto Academy Road. We've just talked about, you know, the other 500 lot subdivision emptying on the Academy Road. There's another subdivision that's on the Lebanon side that's being developed. I don't know the details of that one or how many lots are in it. But with all of this development going to Academy Rd, your land plan use document indicates that Academy Rd was already designated as a. Excuse me, cancel. As a congested road so. I guess my my ask is to table this until. As Mr Enfro said, you do a study to determine what the impact is going to be.

Thank you. Page 34.

Page 100 is the definition.

um this this particular page of the document is um it does have areas highlighted most of the areas highlighted are directly correlated with a fema regulated floodplain this may i i do understand this has low line areas none of this property has any sort of fema designation on it you may have a newer one i got on page 32 i think mr chairman if you want me to i'll read the definition

Definitely. What are we defining here? Environmentally sensitive lands in our document. I want to make sure we're on the same page. We forgot. Page 100. Any lands which, due to their natural or physical setting, may have environmental problems regarding development. Area includes, are, but are not limited to, areas of steep slopes and over 20% grade flood plains, or 20%, sorry, not grade, flood plains, sinkholes, areas of poor soil, improper fills, wetlands, and other similar areas. And that source was referenced Image Lexington.

But this is not designated as a floodplain. Is that what you just told us, Christopher?

No, there's no FEMA regulatory floodplain on this property. There is one blue line stream that I know is certified, and that is the one up by Coles Ferry Road that they would have to accommodate with their, I'm assuming it'll probably most likely have to end up being a box culvert there. Not an engineer, but that'd be my guess. Do we have anyone else wishing to speak on this case today?

Yes, sir, I would. So it's got to be.

Sam Bates again. I'll be brief this time. A couple of questions on this far lot over here. I keep the joints of my property. It's to the, I guess, the west. Where was the road at? That's a two-acre stand-alone lot, I think it was projected, right? Okay, where's the road to get to access that? I never did see that.

Which lot are we at? Are we talking about this lot?

Yes, sir.

So it'll access off of this developed cul-de-sac here.

Okay, it'll come off the cul-de-sac, okay.

Yes, sir.

The other thing I was going to say, and it's already been addressed about this congestion on Academy Road, suggestion really need to look at that academy road probably needs to be widened with all this volume of new traffic that we're going to be seeing on it it needs to be widened for sure the other thing is where is the septic system again i've missed that too where exactly is the step system going to be up towards the front okay all right that's good uh Where Coles Ferry and Academy come together, it's going to be a cluster. There's where your traffic backup is going to be. Academy joins Coles Ferry Pike right at a, it's a big curve right now. Y'all know that, I think. Right there is a accident ready to happen unless something's done right there. I don't know, we can suggest a light or stop sign or something because it's, there's where you're going to have a problem.

I have a question. Yes, sir. Mr. Sam, aren't there power lines crossing right there?

Yes, sir. I think they do.

I just wonder if that's in there right away. Right at that curve where you're talking about, isn't it?

Yes, sir. I think it is. I'm not sure of that. Anyway, that's about all I need to say right now, I guess, about all this. But the answer is make sure this is called a semi-gated community. Would you call it that?

That's a proper term, sure.

Okay. This is a new one on me where the gate's that far back. I've never seen one like that. But anyway, the... Road where it deads in here, again, that joins our property on the west side there. There's a cul-de-sac that's going to be there, is that correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay. How far from the line would that road be or the cul-de-sac be?

The right-of-way comes all the way to your property. The physical pavement would probably be roughly 7 to 10 feet off the edge of the property.

How many feet?

7 to 10.

7 to 10, okay.

The right-of-way will come all the way to your property. You would have direct access to that road. I'd probably require the developer to put something in there that the Bates property has direct access and they're not tied to any sort of any other covenant codes and restrictions within the development. Okay. Because it's a unique situation where it's a gated community that has an access point to an existing landlocked track. But that lot will not be encumbered by any of the covenant codes and restrictions that the developer chooses to put on the lots that they're developing.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, sir.

What I referenced earlier is on page 32. Thank you and and it is not as negative as blood zone. It says other environmentally sensitive area and it is highlighted during smackdown.

May have features consisting of the items listed. Which we will accommodate.

Do we have anyone else we should speak? Yes Sir.

No, it's 365 Academy Road. My concern is with the step system and then also the creek. I'm not seeing the creek that runs through. There's two that come down through onto Academy that's going to go through this. One on the left and then there's one on – I've got a Y that hadn't – I don't know, it's like halfway through my property and then it conjoins to my neighbor. When it rains, it floods to the point to where he's within inches when it rains, when we get heavy, heavy rains like we do every year. Every year or so, we get these rains. I bought my property. I wish I had bought his property when I bought it. It was supposedly not going to be able to be developed on, and they had to do some craziness with the septic. He's in a low-lying area, and we were talking about low-lying area. This water runoff that's going to come from this will most likely, if it's not addressed, flood his property. He was supposed to be here today, but he's not. Probably got called out of town, but... It literally, it looks like an old school fort when it floods. Like he's got a moat on all sides because he's creeks this way. My creek comes this way. So it just overflows my creek, which probably three foot, four foot embankment of it. And it's a wet creek. And it might be a test of what he's bringing up of what might've been put in there at some point. But two or three years ago, there was a development that went up on Coles Ferry that dried that creek up. And this is like a normal wet creek, aside from these 100-degree weather days where we get for weeks on end. It stays wet all the time. And that development went in. And, you know, we talked to Shirley. We talked to a couple other neighbors. They noticed the creek drying up, had dried up and apparently something happened. I don't know, maybe you got, you know, got involved. Somebody did because they corrected it. Something up top on Coles Ferry dried up that creek and it's a natural, maybe natural spring fed creek. I don't know. But my issue is the step system being right there. Where is that creek line and how much of that is going to be flowing into that? Because when that development was going in, my water on that creek changed. It went from being clean, crawdad, kind of looking wildlife there to grayish water. It looked like gray water runoff. I don't know what was going on. And then it dried up. for a year, year and a half, and then we started getting water again on the creek. So that is a very big concern. I know it is from my standpoint, just from the wildlife standpoint, but the flooding that happens to my neighbor and myself, our land, when it rains like that, the water runoff, the adjoining areas, Subdivision down the road where the creeks go and cross over, all that stuff, it all backs up when it floods. I say floods. It's not really a flood. It's not the 100-year floods or whatever. But when we get super heavy rains, those downpours, it floods throughout the whole area. And it's not – I don't know if they're addressing it with their widening to put bigger culverts, but there's a culvert that goes across the academy into Shirley's land that it backs up. That whole area and it backs up onto his land and my land. So I just concerned with that and the septic system of how that's going to be, you know, the impact to the environment there. And I know that's not y'all's, but I want it to be, you know, raised as a concern that needs to be addressed because I don't know where everybody got this paperwork. I looked online. I didn't see this proposed paperwork, but I'm a little concerned with that issue of it because. you know you start flattening land and start developing you take away the natural absorption and that's going to then we're going to get into another issue where it's going to get into more mine and flooding his house completely you're talking about the development plans you're wanting to know where the yeah where this packet was it looks like you're kind of Well, just this little packet of all the information.

That's the Laney's plan. That's online.

Yeah, that's where I was. I didn't know where that was online.

It's actually on our, if you just go to Wilson County Planning, it's the very first link at the top of the page. Okay.

Well, I'll get that. I just didn't have that to look at prior, but that's, I just was concerned with the creek.

Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mr. Al. I'm sorry, I didn't get your last name. Mellish. Forgive the informality. Yeah. Your property, does it adjoin the South... Or the corner of Coles Ferry and Academy.

I believe he's to the South of the Creek.

He slots down here.

It's hard to see that the dotted lines here on the West believe he I believe he's just to the South of the Creek. He's somewhere in here.

Yeah, because the Y by the drawing is actually.

Who?

Okay.

The creek that they're showing is primarily on the other side of Coles Ferry, the big portion of it. According to this, this is not zoomed in, so I do not have all of the, this is just a main, main water tributary there. I'm trying to figure that out.

There's a creek that runs

On this map into your problem, and then there's one that comes from. The East into it. I see part of the big part of it, but I don't know.

Mr Blue are those blue line streams?

Kind of looks the one next to there is. That's what they're showing. The flood happened.

That's why those India cells are pulled forward and not going all the way to the back of the property. So we're honoring what we anticipate to be a bumper in that spot.

To a flood zone? Yeah. In that area? Is that what you're talking about? Or drainage. Drainage. Drainage. Understood. Understood.

Okay. And there are criteria in place as far as the creek goes with the septic system, Christopher. They have to stay so many feet away from

Yeah, that's based on the size of the watershed the minimum requirement is 30 feet and once you get above Once you get a mile radius water radius Once you get over a mile radius of watershed, square mile, that makes more sense. One square mile watershed, the buffer extends to 60 feet.

Okay. Okay.

Anyone else wish to speak on this case? We'll close the public comment period. Mr. Ash?

Think about where Mr. Sam lives, and Sam spent a lot of time out there, and I'm sitting here thinking about it. If they make farms between yours and Lebanon, it's probably going to get developed. And you can name the landowners as late as you can. And I want to protect those landowners and be able to do what they need to do with their property. They kept it all those years and just waiting for their moment. And I don't begrudge them. But it's not going to get better. Nothing that's been said here is going to get him better here in this committee. It's a problem. Thank you for being patient and letting people speak. That's important. Our growth is going to continue. Trying to manage it is the hardest thing we can do, honestly. None of these votes are easy at all, but I've got to ask this. Does this conform with everything we need

Christopher. Well, yeah, this is a use, but I mean, he's not asking for anything you can't do outside of the existing zoning requirements. I mean, these are 80,000 square foot lots is what they're proposing. That's the... So you can recommend approval?

Yes, sir.

I have a question, Mr. Chairman, for the developer.

Mr. Turner.

Curiosity. Are the folks outside of the... the gate required to pay the HOA fee as well. So everybody in the development will pay the HOA fee. Whether you're behind the gate or not.

Any other questions? I got one for the developer. So this will be carbon gutter probably through there. Or so it's the county centers is extruded. We are toying with the idea of doing rollover curve because it stands up a little bit better than than extruded, but we will make sure that we are meeting the requirements of the road commission.

I guess where I was going with that is, like, so you have that spot to the west that is your detention pond, right, for extra runoff. You know, I guess you've got to maintain everything you affect. Like, runoff, how it is now, has to stay the same, basically. That's correct. How do you get it all over there? Do you grade the whole site to that? Because that's why I was thinking curb and gutter, you could pipe it that way. But how would you get it if you do just the rollover?

Same way. It's still going to create a curve that will allow water to go down the road. Depending on the drainage on the individual lots, we could cut a swell in behind the home, send it down the line. We will manage the water how we need to to make sure that we can meet the pre-development flow rates.

Okay. Yes, sir, Mr. Ruffer. We need to zoom in on 18.

and i want to reference and i'll forgive me again i didn't get his name he spoke too quick plaid shirt gentleman the farmer that lives out there and he talked about this there it is the spring fed uh pond that's off property to the left and then he mentioned that there was a low swell in the areas of 20 21 even across 1817 So I would assume that to bring it to grade, you would fill in that area.

We may have to place some fill in that area per geotechnical engineer's recommendations and route that water around those homes, discharge it into our pond, treat it in our pond, and then discharge into the low spot, which is the conveyance below the open space. That's my direction.

I was going is that you will have to have feel we will have to do. We just want to stay out of their pond because they probably use it for livestock and other things.

Maybe we're not touching their property.

We don't have the right, but if you feel then there's going to be run off that away unless you handle it the way you just manage it. Yes, that was in line with Mr. Houston's comments as well. So thank you, Mr. Chair.

Any other questions from our board? If not, I'll call for a motion. Christopher, this is, they're not asking for anything abnormal here, and it's a land use right.

Correct. I mean, it's nowhere near as, I don't want to knock anything, it's nowhere near as in-depth as the Cumberland Oaks pud that you just researched.

These are all two-plus-acre lots, which is in with the zoning it already has.

Yes, sir. And the land use plan, this is rural, the new one. I mean, this has to go by the new one. It's in a rural living area, which in essence allows one acre lots. And that rural living is what the classification over this property is. Land use plan calls for no smaller than one acre lots. All of these lots are 1.83 acres or larger. So, I mean, it does conform with the existing land use plan as well. I mean, zoning would trump that, but it does, just for your all's information, it does conform with the outline of the land use plan.

Do we have a motion? Make a motion to approve. We have a motion to approve. Ms. Weathers, a second for Mr. Ash to approve.

You can tell me some reason we're supposed to turn it down legally.

We have a motion and a second to approve subject staff recommendations. All those in favor, vote aye. And those opposed?

Um I do wanna just cause um playing in zoning issued a policy and I think that's how a lot of these neighbors got notified and um I think it obviously the policy is working um for any preliminary plan development new preliminary plan development uh planning department um sends a courtesy letter via snail mail it's not certified or anything to every adjoining property owner that policy is only for the preliminary plan of development so this plan now as approved has vesting rights for three years via state law they will be required to submit all that supporting documentation and the road and drainage plans have to be approved by the engineering and road commission prior to any sort of final approval by this board I do want to let the public know that if and when they submit a final, those courtesy letters do not go out at that phase. You're more than welcome to email anybody in my office or call our office. We can put you on an agenda list and all of our agendas are posted online as well. But this particular development has vesting for three years before it would lapse. Mr. Ash.

Oh, the developer and the builder. Y'all have heard the comments. You'll see the things that need to be addressed. And I always say this, try to open up some kind of communications with the folks around there. And the unknown is very scary. And I just hope you'll do that time we have to look at this again.

I also have a comment for him. I want to make note of that. You did reach across the aisle. I like your attitude. We have to trust you, your developers in this area, your designers, your engineers. We're going to grow. colleagues said it but can be controlled in the right way that you care that's the word we haven't said yet you care about your neighbors you care about the folks and i saw that and i appreciate that kyle thank you for that gesture that you did there i appreciate that because of what we have to do here because we have no friends thank you mr chair all right thank you

All right, Christopher, we ready for the final on the Christiane Davis property?

This is the final Christian Davis. It's located 24 and 134 Trice Rd, which is 3 lots of existing road frontage with technical corrections. Staff can recommend approval. All structures on this particular piece of property are to remain. They have. Can they have confirmed that and that will be on the updated plan that we get?

Thank you. Do we have anyone here to speak on this case today? We have any questions from our board. I'll call for a motion. Move to approve. Motion to approve. Mr. Renfrow, do we have a second? Second. Mr. Noakes, all those in favor, vote aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion will carry. And I think we are ready for the plats for affirmation now, Christopher.

Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, the plots for affirmation. We have the resubdivision of the Gary Rickey and Mark Thorne property, 1284 Horn Springs Road, Map 46, Parcel 34.14. Resubdivision of the Earl F. and Allie Colley Co-Baker property. 2420 Roberts Road being one lot. Re-subdivision of the Hickory Point subdivision, lot phase two, lot 47. This is 306 Kelsey Grace Place, and this is one lot being map 12 in group E, parcel 17. Re-subdivision of the Crosswind subdivisions, lots 96 and 97A, located 210 Crosswinds Drive. being map 29G, group A, parcels 19 and 20, and then a boundary survey of the tax map 45D, group A, which is one lot. This is located at 201 Old Hunters Point Pike. And the boundary survey is a little unique. I know that's not terminology that you all usually see. That is an existing older lot of record in the county that was just never platted, and that's what they're bringing into compliance. They're platting the lot so they can, in essence, get permits without any sort of variances on that property. Thank you.

Anyone here today wish to speak on any of these cases? Do we have any questions from our board? We have a motion. Motion approved. Motion approved, Ms. Weathers. Second. Second from Mr. Ash. All those in favor vote aye. Aye. Motion will carry. State law requires that we have a public comment period during the course of our meetings. We do limit these comments to three minutes. Do we have anyone wish to speak with us today? Mr Young.

Ken Young, 1228 Shop Springs Rd. I'm here to correct the record and make sure that you guys get the best info to make the best decisions and then give you a quick update. There was something said at a previous meeting. I think it was last time that the pipeline to the new school was late and that's why there had to be a pumping Hall. Well, the school never needed the pipeline. That's number one. Number two, here's the drawings dated 720 to 23. The Water Authority had 758 days to build what was supposed to be built there. So it wasn't about the pipeline. The other thing I keep hearing is that this guy from Adenos, he's a engineer. He quit, he was abducted by the Martians or something. And he's the reason that the problems at the school happened. Well, he's got a name, and it's not fair to blame this on him when he's not here. And he also left a paper trail on who he told and when. Now, you all have the low-growth papers in front of you. I want to give you a quick update. Mr. Renfro is right on the money when he says that, You have to go to your political leaders to change the law because you're corralled. You have to comply with the laws that your political leaders have generated. And if you look on the second page, next to the last paragraph, it says that the commissioner won't issue any new permits. If you're not in compliance with the Water Authority of Wilson County is way out of compliance and they're probably not going to get any new permits for a long time. The executive director came right to this podium and would say the low growth facility and that's what this is about. The low growth facility is doing great. Now the low growth facility hasn't done great in over a decade and there's a lot of problems there. There's millions and millions of dollars. in capacity credits that are out floating around and these people are not going to be able to use them for a long time. So it's important to get the record straight and what Mr. Renfrow was saying is absolutely true. And so we were able to get the bad actor clause put in a piece of legislation and the chickens have come home to roost here. And that's why the Water Authority is not going to get permits. And all these developers coming up here with these wonderful plans, they're not going to be able to go through the Water Authority to get their subdivisions built. They're going to have to come up with another angle, and we'll see how that goes. And it's a shame, and it didn't have to happen. Thank you. I'll take any question.

Would you say he went to Mars?

I'm sorry? Would you say he went to Mars? Well, it's a shame. You know, if you're not in the room, it's hard to defend yourself. But when people say, well, this person separated employment from Adonis and it was his fault that this stuff happened, well, let's call him. Let's have him come right here. I can find him. Thank you, sir. You bet.

Anyone else wish to speak today?

I've got two information points for you. And I apologize for this. I thought this was going to be the best meeting to do this at. I'm going to hand out and just ignore, this is a local, another planner that I'm working with to get all the language right. And he's been working on it and he's done it very well. And this is probably similar to what ours is going to look like. And it's going to be presented next month. I'm going to hand these down. If you all want to take them, you can. This is similar to the documentation that's going to be on your agenda next month for updating our subdivision regulations with the state requirement vesting law and actually physically put it into writing so we're not antiquated anymore. IT'S GOING TO MIMIC A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE. THIS IS TIPPING COUNTIES CURRENTLY AND THIRD PLANNER MR. VESEY HAS DONE THIS VERY WELL IN GETTING IT IN THEIR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS SO THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. THE OTHER THING IS THE STORM WATER DEPARTMENT AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN TALKING AND THIS IS KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE 1044 LEGISLATION THAT'S PASSED ON TIMEFRAMES. WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY UNDER A TIME PRUNCH AND TYPICALLY ALL PLATS AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU ALL APPROVE ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO STORMWATER RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE HAVE THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF EVERY ONE OF OUR APPLICATION LETTERS THAT GO OUT. THEY'RE WANTING TO DO A ONE-HOUR CONTINUING EDUCATION SESSION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS WOULD BE LATE OCTOBER OR EARLY NOVEMBER BEFORE THANKSGIVING, AND THIS WOULD FINALIZE THE FOUR HOURS THAT YOU NEED FOR THIS YEAR AS WELL. IT WOULD BE A ONE-HOUR SESSION, AND THAT'S GOING TO JUST GO OVER WITH OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT AND OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER KIND OF THE INS AND OUTS OF All the details of what they look like, because with this 1044 legislation, as opposed to saying that it's subject to stormwater requirements, we may have to get a little bit more detailed on what's lacking from a plan. But we're going to set that up, and I'll coordinate with you all on a best time, letting you know it's probably going to be last week of October, first week of November time frame.

When you say what's lacking, do you mean like with the prelims and the final plans, like might be required?

Yes, like because like similar to like some things like on the the Coles Ferry development, there was a few technical corrections. And with the 1044, we're going to have to justify maybe what those are out front to the board, because with the designated time frame that you either have to deny or approve something as opposed to technical corrections, you may know exactly. It's relayed that if there's something that staff typically would work through over a three or four month period and we have a 60-day time frame to actually issue an approval or denial, those comments may be a little bit more detailed on your end. So if you choose to approve it, you know what's lacking. Or if you're not comfortable with that, there may be more denied plans in the future. And that becomes effective January 1.

Mr. Renfrew? Just a request or a question for Chris. This 2-103.5 is Tipton. Those numbers do not correlate with ours. Do you have a link that you could send email to ours that we're going to cross up and look side by side? Or can you just give me the number and I'll try to find it?

The number, where it's going to go in ours? Your vested rights, or do we even have one that exists? Is it a new ad? No, we have a vested rights. It's currently out of date. But yeah, no, I can get you the section that it's going to amend. Is that what you're asking? Yes, sir. Yes, I can get that. I just want to be able to look apple to apple sort of thing. Yes, sir. Yes, I can get that to you. That is all I have, I promise. Anybody else have anything?

As long as you've been chairman, we've never picked a school site or had anything to do with any of this stuff.

You know, actually, they came to us one time as a gesture. We had no control over it. It was just an acknowledgment that they were doing something. We hear about it all the time, but we don't have any. We had no authority to vote it up or down anyway. I've never seen anything like this. I think they came as a gesture one time.

Yeah, they're considered a quasi-governmental agency. They don't have any requirement to come before you all. We'll stand adjourned. Thank you, guys. Thank you.