Commission - Regular Meeting

26th Road Commission meeting.

Welcome all of our guests that are here today. Thank you for being here. Come back any opportunity you have. I want to ask Mr. Chase if he'll do the prayer and if mercy will do the pledge.

Lord, we thank you, Lord, for all your many blessings, your mercy, Lord, and your grace. We thank you, Lord, for it. Lord, we We celebrate July 4th. We thank you for the freedom in this country to be able to worship you and freely be able to worship you. That's such a gift, Lord, that should be taken for granted. We thank you all for that. Lord, be with us today. Let us make all the right decisions and choices that give us wisdom and direction. We want to be the best that we can be at the jobs that you appointed us to do here. Lord, be with our men and women out on the roads. Keep them safe. Bless this county. Let all things go to the uplifting and building of your kingdom. In Jesus' name, amen.

Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you both again. Appreciate that. If you guys have a set of minutes in front of you, I'll entertain a motion to approve those when you're ready. Motion to approve. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. We do have a public comment period at this time and so I know I have people here that are wanting to speak so I'll go to Mr. Clark first.

I am here to request a name change for a road. South McKee Road is a very small road on the south end of the county. It's about 750 feet long, and my farm wraps all the way around it, and my son and I both live on the farm. We call the farm Clark Hollow, and we just like to change the name to Clark Hollow Road. I'm fixing to build a house there, and I'd love to have a Clark Hollow address if nobody opposes.

I think what we have to do is send that to 9-1-1. Is that correct? That's correct.

9-1-1. I talked to them. I'm fixing to build the house, and so I was needing an address and told them I was going to request a name change. Okay. They told me to come here first.

So it comes here, we approve it, and then we send it to 911?

Well, we'll have to get it, because we'll have to change it on the road list, so it'll be next year before we can do it, because we won't change the road list until the first of next year.

Okay.

Because it'll have to be changed on the road list before... Well, we can actually do it.

So we can't amend the road list mid-year just for a name change?

Not unless you want to start doing that ever.

Do you have a lot of name changes with the road list during the year?

No.

No. And when does your road list come up? January?

Yeah.

So it'll be in January. Yeah. Okay. all right and then um but then the board can just say hey we'll we're good with that the board can vote on that and then you send that to karen moore and then she doubles checks and make sure it's okay and then she'll notify me okay and then we pass the resolution on that too yep okay gotcha you're good on that yes uh what's the pleasure of the board who's there is that in i'm not sure where that is where's what's that it's off the normal key

I mean off of North Milton. This little bitty piece right there. It's about three-tenths. In my farm's all the way around. It's got to be yours. No, I'd be able to do Blake's.

I'll make a motion. Okay. I have a motion to hear a second. Second. Any other discussion?

Okay.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

start a process. Can I get your phone number? I'll get your number. Okay. Thank you so much.

And I just need you to call 911 now.

Well, we'll have to wait until we get changed. I'll have to get with her after the first of the year.

Okay. Thank you all very much. Thank you, sir. Mr. Mike Chandler.

Good morning. I'd like to... come here and request one of two things. Bluebird Road has become extremely, the traffic is extremely heavy for some reason all of a sudden. Speed limit signs are doing absolutely nothing. The average speed on Bluebird Road is probably 60 miles an hour. One of two things could help this. First thing would be to make Bluebird and Peyton Road a four-way stop. Because what happens is they come down that hill on Bluebird, and it's a straight stretch, and they floor it. I've got one guy on a motorcycle that comes down and does 70, 75 miles an hour. There's a lot of kids on that street. Somebody's going to get killed, either in a car wreck or run over. The four-way stop would help alleviate the problem. The other thing would be a couple of speed bumps on Bluebird. That's the only two things I can think of that are going to solve the problem. One of those two things needs to be done, if not both of them. Yeah, the police come out there sporadically.

You contacted them about coming out?

Yeah, they're getting tired of me calling them.

Gotcha.

Between calling them and Mike Kurtz, they're getting tired of hearing from me.

Is there certain times of day that it's worse than others?

The afternoon is really bad. early morning and afternoon before work, you know, going to work and coming home from work, but it happens all day long. I mean, it is, uh, it's a speedway.

Yeah. Well, it stops about four-way stop at Bluebird.

We've had a four-way stop there at one time and the people fussed and raised cane. And that's the reason we had done away with it. That's the reason this stop paper over was on the thing stopped.

Is it kind of like the speed limit change if he got the petition and got everybody's signature in there?

Well, we would have to get a bunch of signatures, yes.

Okay. So could he do that? He can do it, but I...

I mean, I guarantee you everybody on Bluebird would sign the petition. But now speed bumps, we don't do speed bumps.

Got you. Why?

Is there any reason? It's a liability. Why is it a liability? It's a liability for us to make us hurt someone.

But I'm asking, why is it a liability? Because somebody's going too fast? Yep. So it's their fault, but it's your liability? Yes, sir. Do you think that would hold up in court?

Yes, sir. Has it? Our attorney has already said that it would hold up in court. So cities can do speed bumps, but the county can't? It's a different speed limit, too. It's a different what? Speed limit. Most of your cities are 25 and below.

So Bluebird's 30, so that'd be a liability because you're five miles above.

Yes. But we don't do speed bumps in our, we want smooth roads. We don't want rough roads in our county. And I understand the speed, but I mean, We can't control that. All we can do is post it. We can't control what they do.

Well, if you can't do speed bumps, then a four-way stop would alleviate part of the problem because once they come down that hill off of Bluebird, they would have to come to a stop sign.

I'm going to say if you do that, if we get petitioned up, you're going to have to have at least 80% of the people on Bluebird to have to sign the petition for a four-way stop.

So with that, so it already stops at Payton?

Yes, Payton stops.

Okay. So your complaints when you, so it used to be a four-way stop and you took it away?

Years ago we had a four-way stop there and people complained about it and that's the reason they took it out.

Okay. How long ago was that?

It's been a long time ago.

Okay.

I mean, I've been here 35 years and it was when I first come to the county. It used to be there.

Okay. Do you want to advise him to look at getting signatures for that?

He's going to have to have, we're going to have to have signatures before we do that. Okay.

And who's the road commissioner of that zone?

I believe Mike is.

No, I mean, I get Mike Kurtz and Chris Dow to get with you and they can maybe talk about how to get those signatures. Okay. See about doing that. Okay.

Yeah, because something's got to be done.

Yes. Okay. Yeah, I will. Chris is out this today. Chris Dow, but he's the road zone. um commissioner in that area and then you said mike kirch is your commissioner you said you've been talking yeah i'll be right behind mike okay so i'll get with mike and get with chris and uh tell them what you're asking for and get them to give you a call to see about maybe how to get petition done okay i appreciate it yes sir thank you thank you uh miss amy sounds like this is a common problem i have the signatures for y'all to review um

I live in Leanna Lane, out 231 South, right before, across from the new soccer fields. I've lived there for 21 years, and the traffic over there has gotten out of control, too. People are now using that for cut-through. I don't know why. We don't have a really wide road and whatever, but people are using it. We have signs up on both ends that say no semis. Semis come through there. People come through there so fast that it's a blur, and it is, again, the worst in the mornings, usually in the afternoons, but it happens all day. We had police out there after actually I met with Mayor Hutto. They were out there the next morning. If you stopped a few people, I haven't seen them since. But I think it's going to be good if we could get some enforcement. The request is to change the speed limit to 25. I'm also a huge fan of speed bumps. I see them in Mount Juliet City. I see them in Lebanon City. It is in slower neighborhoods that are, as one in Mount Juliet, it's so great. They have a speed limit posted at 19 miles an hour. And I'm like, that makes you pay attention, you know, because it's not an even number. But going through one of the subdivisions, and they've got them all through there. And it does slow them down. We have a lot of, I don't know, work vehicles and, you know, stuff like that coming through. But then we have cars coming through there. It's absolutely flat out fine. We have absolutely no shoulder whatsoever. And I'm not complaining about that. I'm just stating facts. So it's just a normal two-lane road with a shoulder about this wide. And people walk. And walk their dogs and their kids are out all the time and literally people are having to like jump off into the grass to try to get away from these people because they don't even try to avoid you. I mean, they'll just be like almost like I'm on the road. You need to get out of my way and it's insane out there right now so. I know we don't do speed bumps, but if you ever decide to in the lower speed limit roads, we would love to be your guinea pig. Everybody on there, I mean, the street is offered to bomb and pay for them, honestly, just like we need to do something because it's scary. And I know you say it's a liability, and I understand that, but, you know, we're kind of more concerned about the people that live there and pay taxes and get out and enjoy their neighborhood than we are some moron coming down through there acting like a fool. But, um, Anyway, I understand both sides of it. But if you ever decide to try it somewhere, we would love to be your guinea pig.

And you want to lower the speed limit to 25?

Yes, and we have 80% of the signatures. There was nobody on our street that was like, I don't think that's a good idea. I don't want to do that. But then we're going to have to somehow enforce it. So I will talk to the sheriff's department about possibly putting up the flashing signs for a while to draw awareness and see if we can get some more patrol out there.

Okay. And they have the one we have, I think he said he had four or five that he puts out there now that lets you know what to speak.

And maybe we just make awareness. People may pay attention, but then again, you know, they don't pay attention to 35. So yeah, I'm going to have to get some enforcement, but I'll, I'll talk to the sheriff's department, see if we can get somebody out there at least a couple of times a week, just at different times of the day to try to let people know, Hey, yes. Yeah. But anyway.

What's the pleasure of the board?

I'll make a motion to approve it.

Thank you. She's got her signature. Yep, okay. Any other questions, comments? You're good with it?

Okay.

All in favor say aye. Do y'all keep that?

I mean, it doesn't matter. I'm just asking. Somebody's going to need to get a copy of it. So I'll give it to you. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Anne. Thank you, everybody.

Yes. Mr. Tony Reed. Hey, how you doing? Good, sir.

Good. I just, I got a question about, I live at 1785 Knatsa Road, if that's how you pronounce it, because I heard it spelled something else back in the day, is what 9-1-1 said, but anyway, the road stops paving at 1641, which is... Jerry Kaplan in his place. And then it goes all the way around to Sparmine and then Central, I think, is the other way. But it's a chipping tar road and it's in terrible condition. So I'll talk to you and I think we just have to add the road to...

the map or something is that what you said so what you know when you get on gis and we look and i talked to the planning people and they said well you know there's two lines there if you look at that map there's a dotted line which could represent the county line and then there's a straight line which could represent the county line and and uh i know that um so she said but there's no boundary lines that are in um in concrete so i think what we have done is we stopped at the the check-in line, and the Smith County stopped at the regular line, so we got left out in the middle. And I know I reached out to you guys, and y'all reached out to Smith County and figured out, okay, who's this? Because you said, hey, I've talked to both people, and everybody says it's not mine, it's not mine. Correct. But it's somebody's. And you pay taxes both in Wilson County and Smith County. Correct. Master Party member. And so I know I reached out to you, and I think y'all, maybe you come back and told Sarah that, hey, we're going to take care of it, maybe. Don't want to put words in your mouth, but it's got to be on the road. It's got to be on the road.

We've got to get it on the road list before we can do anything on it.

But is it our road?

Well, like I said, I've been here 35 years and I've always been told the road stops where we stop. But now, according to the map, it does show that it goes further. I can't argue that it does or doesn't. But I don't have a problem going up there after we get this on the road list and finish, you know, I think it's 100 feet or something like that.

It's not much, is it? I think you said a whole lot.

No, it's not that far, no. But, you know, at the curve, that big curve that you come to, you know, that's where the line starts and goes straight. It splits my property.

It goes right, where that curve's at, the line goes right, I guess you could say the east side of the curve.

Correct, correct.

It goes right across there. Yeah, because it splits my pond. And see, you know, years ago, all that up there was one big farm. And that's the reason, I'm just assuming that's the reason we always stopped there because that was an easy place to turn around and everything else. That was probably the reason. Because I look back when it was gravel, I know we'd always start gravel from there back toward Overland Pike. And it was just a good place to turn around because the rest of that through there, there was nowhere to turn around. That's just where we've done it for years. Gotcha.

So what we're going to do is add it to the road list and then we'll paint it.

Yeah. I mean, it'll be added to the road list in January and then sometime next year we'll try to go up there and get it fixed. How do you get with that?

That's great. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Sorry you had to come today.

Hey, no worries.

Okay. And Mr. Haskell Evans.

You've already addressed I was just here to concur with Ms. Hamilton that this is a long-standing issue.

You want it to go to 45 miles an hour?

Maybe 26.

No, it was to be re-elected.

Maybe 26.

You want it to go to 15? 15 and 10 speed.

Anybody else here wish?

me you didn't sign the industry I cannot I cannot recognize you and anybody knows sign-in sheets it ought to be you that's true all right well I'm here and I'm Lauren Breeze County Commissioner district 18 and I'm here for some help and some guidance And so, of course, you know, we all had a flash flood last night. Everybody got hit with a significant amount of rain all at one time. I'm sure that there are lots of other areas that had flooding like we had flooding. But I had my citizens contacting me all evening because of drainage issues to the point where we had one woman who lives on Nonneville Road and she took a video of her property and it ended up being picked up by Nick Barris. So, but she has been regularly pulled out of her house by WEMA because of flooding issues. So every time I get a phone call, usually they ask me to come to Rhodes. So I'm here and just, I wanna talk about what, like what is in the scope of Rhodes from a drainage perspective? What is Rhodes allowed to do? I know we don't have a public works department. So since we don't have a public works department, I know we have a stormwater department, but obviously they do more mapping and reviews, not necessarily actual work. A lot of citizens don't understand that. So I'm just here to ask, what can we do when it comes to drainage? I know Jerry McFarland did some mapping in certain other areas. Maybe my area needs to be the next one to be mapped, possibly. But that's my question.

I think the mapping that Jerry does, I think, and what they've asked is that just kind of for future people that are going to plan developments and let you know this is a low area. I can't tell Miss Amy or anybody they can't build in that low area. We can say it's a lot at risk. But I can't tell a guy, hey, you can't do this. So we have people, places that flood in the county, they're built in the bowls. Now, you'll have to speak on this about the ditches. But from my understanding is that, you know, we have a right-of-way that we can work in. But I mow my right-of-way every weekend. And if I have limbs in my ditch, I clean my ditch out because it is my ditch. I don't, you know, it is mine. The right-of-way just simply means that if y'all had to work in it, they have the right to work in it. But I still maintain it. So I don't, is that the right answer here? That's exactly right. You know, if you got a ditch, yeah.

And it's like you said years ago, people used to take care of their drainage.

Yeah.

They don't do that. But anyway.

But it is that we don't have a crew. No. I know we have a crew that goes out that if a tree falls on a road, you guys cut it up, slide it back, and then you're supposed to go out and pick it up. We talked about that at Clever Creek. But outside of that, we don't go and make sure people's ditches are clean? No. Okay. Okay.

What can we do? Does anybody have any suggestions or ideas as to how we can work together as a community to better this?

I mean, I don't know. As far as your answer on that, I'm not sure, but I know like on Star Drive, where you're talking about, that's been an issue for 50 years. Yeah, Star Drive, that was the issue when I first got here. It catches all the water. And you think about when that water gets there, it's got to get into the lake, and if the lake's up, it's not going to get into the lake. I mean, that's just the...

Because Star Drive was one of those when I first got here. It's done it for years. There's an easement to the creek in the back. To the lake. And people would mow their leaves to the middle. But we pulled up the plat and the plat showed that should be a swill. But they had filled it in because it was leaves. And so then they wanted us to come clean it out. And they told me, hey, I can't go do that. That's off of the road. So we ended up. I think we found somebody to kind of help volunteer and go do that. But they had covered it up over time.

And trees and debris and stuff has grown up in it. And people don't clean out stuff like they used to years ago. People used to keep ditches and creeks cleaned out. They don't do that. And when it gets debris in it and it gets stopped up, I mean, your water is going back up. Right.

And the battle, I think, that we've learned using the same as an example, You know, those communities almost like, I want to get out and walk my dog. I wish I had a sidewalk. So the people in the rural area are wanting more and more accommodations in the city. And we don't have public works. We don't have sidewalks because it's always been considered its county, its country, its rule. But more and more people are saying, I wish I had somebody to clean the ditch out. I wish somebody could come pick up the limbs when I had a bad storm and you know, like they do in the cities, or speed bumps like they do in the cities. That is an ongoing battle with us. Do we urbanize the rural area? And then people like Mr. Evans and them would say, hey, look, let's keep it country. Right, yes. So that battle is really out there for all of us to deal with. I don't really have an answer. What's the point? Y'all can speak.

Yeah.

I'm just afraid, you know, like where you live, even where I live, if you get out there and start messing with an area, you got two, three neighbors, look, what are they doing over there cleaning all that? Next big rain, you're gonna be at the blame for problems, you know, messing with the waterways and stuff. But like Steve said, it'd be a good idea for people to kind of maintain their, because y'all do clean the bridges out if they get in. Yeah, I mean, we clean the bridges out.

We try to keep them, but I mean, when you got so much debris that's in these creeks already, I mean, there might be a tree up a branch We don't know it, and then when it needs to be rained, when it ends up in the bridge, we didn't know it was up there. As soon as the water gets down, we'll get it out.

Last night you said you talked to Melissa Sizemore at WEMA. I did. And we got three to five inches in 30 minutes.

That's what she said, yeah.

It's going to flow. Exactly. I came home from, as I told you last night, I came home on I-40 from Jackson Hills, had an event there. and there's farmland on both sides of I-40, but I-40 probably had that much water on it. So it wasn't because of development. It's just you get that much at that time. They called me from Watertown last night, and they were flooding there, and no development in Watertown for sure. Right, right. So, I mean, when you get that much at one time, it is an issue. It's frustrating.

Right, yeah, I understand.

But I do think people, what we try to do, Mr. Murphy and Chase, both, if people come and say, hey, I have a concern, You let us know that and we'll do our best to address it because we don't have the manpower to ride around and try to spot and check. I mean, we're reactive. We're not proactive just because of personnel. But if somebody tells you you've got an issue or your people want to call Mr. Murphy, I've learned that lesson too. then Ms. Phyllis and them make a work order and they'll get you. I think you can tell your neighbors that. Just have them reach out to Ms. Phyllis if they've got issues. She'll let them know, hey, we do that or we don't do that. That would be great.

Thank you.

That's my area. Give them my number. I don't mind talking to them. There's some things we talk to them and don't ever have to call them.

Right, yeah. I talk to them a lot.

But people have got to understand, when you have that much rain in one time, It's going to flood. I don't care where you're at. You're going to get flooded.

Right, yeah.

You're going to have flood water.

Right, yeah. One last question. So a lot of these streams that we're talking about are all blue water streams, which I think fall underneath the jurisdiction of the Corps. Do we ever work with the Corps? I mean, I have a blue water stream that comes through my lot, and I've been there since 2012. And, you know, the Corps doesn't do maintenance on streams or anything. So I think people assume or, you know, think that they do, but they don't. Is there something that we work with the Corps that could be looked at? And I'm asking the question, I don't know.

I think probably that would be a good question for James Vaden. If you could talk to James, he can tell you what we can and can't get down from the Corps. Of course, I had a call from him about a guy running a canoe business out in one of the docks down there this last week at Hidden Harbor, I think. It was a business being run on that dock, and so he was saying, you know, it's messing up our livelihood. So I called the Corps, and the Corps said, well, if he's making money transactions on there, it's illegal. but if you make some money transactions on the internet somewhere else and he's just there unloading his canoes, not a problem. So, yeah, so we have a good connection with the Corps, but the answer may or may not be what you want.

Right, and that's fine. Like I said, it's the only other thing I can think of that may have jurisdiction. I guess that's the question I get a lot is, who has jurisdiction over drainage about creeks? That's what I've seen, right? Yeah, and I don't have another answer other than that, so. Okay.

I'll call James and he will help you.

All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for coming.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else want to speak before the road commissioner?

Can I say something about the speed bumps? Sure. Mount Julia was mentioned several times. They're in the process of changing their road cross section. They're trying to do away with speed bumps in Mount Julia. And one of the reasons is because whenever it snows, they've got, front end loaders that they try to pull out of the streets. They get to a speed bump, it tears their equipment up, tears the speed bump up, tears the road up, and there's no way to see it. And so it's kind of got to that with Mount Juliet. Mount Juliet is building, is changing their road configurations to make their roads less susceptible to high speed, less straightaways, more turns, narrower streets. Trying, oddly enough, trying to make up kind of slower road. Just so I know, they're getting away from them.

They don't like them. I think they're cutting their roads down, what, 24 foot? Yeah, they're narrowing them down. It's an effort to do away with speed bumps. I'm telling you, these speed bumps, they're a nightmare. I know I've talked to Mr. Phillip in Nashville Metro, in-dot down there, and I think he said that last year they had like $3 million worth of damaged equipment and speed bumps that they had to repair. Casey, it was unreal.

I know you work with the county attorney about a resolution or an ordinance on speed bumps for the county. Has that been finished yet? I haven't heard from Mike about it. Okay. That was giving you some guidelines on what could be done. Okay. Anything else? Anybody? No, sir. We'll close public comment here. We'll go to Assistant Superintendent for Mr. Chase.

On the subdivisions list, we had a couple changes last month. We did add a home in the East Division, East Division Industrial. It's a project going on very close to Olin and the dirt road, across the road there, doing a three-lane section through there. They got their letter of credit in. They're about to start. Should be doing some proof roads down there pretty soon. They got it all dug out. So, we'll get that part widened. Now, on the two-year maintenance, we released the turn lane on East Division for that Jet-X. We done it a couple years ago, got it done. It came off the two-year maintenance. That was the two changes. We did... On the subdivision list, Barton's Creek Road, I know a couple of meetings ago, I think I said we had it closed. It's opened back up. We ain't finished yet, but it's not closed anymore. It's opened back up. I wanted to make that known. When they opened that up, I think it was Tuesday of this week. We just got it temporarily strapped and stuff. We'll get a little more construction done. We're going to put the final layer asphalt in and get it looking good. It is opened back up. Another thing I wanted to say, East Division, we've got another project going on. It's not, I'm supposed to have the letter created in this week, or it might be first next week. There's a reason why it's not on the list yet, but we've got another warehouse going in on East Division. They're doing a three-lane section, and they're also putting a box in. There's an old box. Where it used to be the old, the box that's there is hand-laid block. It's not even, I mean, it's from who knows how long ago that was put in there. I guess the original box in there is all hand-laid blocks and stuff. And where we're widening the road, there's no way to connect to that box. And we wanted them to put it all up to spec. So they're going to have to tear all that out and put a new box in there. Box culvert. To do that, they're going to have to close the road. And we've got it on the list. I haven't got it sealed down for sure, but it looks like July 17th is what we're looking at closing that road, trying to get it before the school opens back up. It'll be closed for two weeks.

Closing each division?

What's the end of it? It'll be the 109 end. 109, we do have an engineered design detour planned. We've got ways to, there'll be ways. Passenger cars ain't a big deal. We're going to go right down Hipper Ridge and come around. The problem is the trucks, but they're going to have to go around and get off Golden Bear. It's the only way we'll have to send them around.

So they'll be able to start down East Division and then take a detour around. Passionate cars.

Now the trucks, they're going to, now the ones going in the warehouses on that side, they're going to try to turn them around and get them to Golden Barrier. It's going to be, we've looked at it, because it's city development, we've even got to look at it. We've looked at it, yeah, it's going to be tough, the traffic, no way around. We've looked at it a bunch of ways, but... We're going to have all kinds of signage and this is the best we can come up with, but in two weeks is probably the max. I'm hoping maybe there'll be a few days less than that, but I think they're saying two weeks to get the box, the footers has got to set up and it's like six days for curing time on those and getting the box set. But at the end of it, we'll have three, we'll have pretty much everything from the city of Lebanon all the way through to where that last turn is, kind of as the connector piece. For all that? To get all that done. It's a good thing, it's just aggravating when you have to shut the road down.

So let me ask you this, and a thing happened with the Eastover Bridge. And we ended up, you know, of course I have a phone call to make today when I get to it here. People fussing about Suggs Creek Bridge. And Saracen is pretty hateful. So, and I've dealt with that yesterday quite a bit too. Is there a way that, so we ended up, we took a lady's, advice, and we sent everybody on Eastover, no, yeah, Eastover Bridge, we sent 90 letters out explaining where we were in the process, and I think that helped. I was going to do that on Suggs Creek, but it's very so long.

There's no way to get everybody there, so I wasn't able to do it.

So when we do this right here, is there a way we could kind of postpone it for a week or two that we could actually, let's send those people communication because you say what you got to say. If nobody watches this show, then we get all the calls and say, hey man, what are you doing? This is going crazy. Can we not at least notify the Now, I can't notify people that use it as a cut-through. I can't do that. But at least the people on that road, is there a way to let them know what's happening?

They usually put up signs that say it's going to be closed at a certain date.

They're supposed to be doing that now out there.

We usually try to do it with two weeks in the notice to put up signs to let people know what date it's going to be closed.

So the day's the 17th, and so two weeks is the 17th. That's just 10 days. And you ain't going to get it up today. So is there a way to... I mean, because I think it would really help if I could just let, I mean, it's kind of like the reappraisal thing. We said, hey, everybody got a letter. That would have saved a whole lot of arguments.

But the thing of it is, I mean, that's the reason they're trying to get it done before the school starts. I mean, if we keep pushing it back, then we're going to be right in the middle of school. Yeah, that was the whole issue. They've been working on this, what, a year?

A while, and they just finally got all the approvals. went over. We thought we was going to have plenty of time, but they had some things to work out and it's kind of pushed us at the end of this.

They had to get some stuff back from the core.

Or could we do it during fall break?

It's two weeks.

I know it's two weeks, but you don't, I mean, anything can happen. It might be longer than two weeks. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just a lot. I mean, it's a whole lot of, I get it, but I mean, this, I mean, it's becoming, the growing pains we go through.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think, like you said, once it's done, people are going to really be happy because it connects all that together. That should be making everybody great. And I think if we could use the communication of letting people know, we'd save a little bit of heartburn, I think. Because we just, we feel them all day long. I like the Suns Creek and I hope you'll give them a report. I dealt with two articles yesterday that came out about that and the miscommunication of what's going on there because it's not what they're saying. But I have to tell everybody individually.

Right.

Yeah. Okay. But thank you for that information. Anything we can ever do on that? I'll think about it and do everything I can.

We always try to inform people, but I mean, It's just like a speed limit sign. When they go by that sign that says it's going to be closed at a certain date, both of you are going to pay attention to that. And then you get the call, well, I didn't see it, but it's been there for two weeks.

We used to do stuff with mailboxes. They ain't no built. Everything's locked now. People don't have mailboxes like you do. I mean, some people do, but... I'll do everything I can. I'll talk to them and even see if it's something that they can. I'll do everything I can to get the word out. Okay. That's everything I had.

Will you give us an update on the grievance on Mr. Murphy? I am. Got you. Anything for Mr. Chase? Your motion to approve the report? All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Superintendent report, Mr. Steve Murphy.

My first thing I got is a junk tire report. Motion to approve the junk tire report.

Any discussion on it? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Okay.

Then they got a surplus. One day we're going to put on good deals. Pickup truck. Motorist shot in about 300-something thousand miles. I'm not even going to put a lot of money into this. Pretty bad shape. I'm just going to get rid of it.

I hear a motion on that.

Motion to approve.

All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Oldham Lane.

Oldham Lane. As a matter of fact, I went out there yesterday. Did you go out there? Not yesterday. Chase has talked with the chief. C.D.? Jason Barrett. Mr. Barrett, yeah. And he said he's okay with us shutting that off because I noticed yesterday when I was out there, somebody cut the chain. Yeah. And so they've been going through it. So... I talked to this sister.

I can't remember her name.

Sister. Oh, Sister G. Okay.

But they were okay with it, right? They said they would never use it. They recommended me to talk to...

Daniel Cowan.

Daniel Cowan. Fire Marshal and I reached out to him as well and he said that he didn't have, he would never use it for anything either. So I reached out to both. Both.

Fire, both. So if the board's good with it, I'm thinking about, we're thinking about going out there and just putting some rock, blocking it off to where people can get through it. I mean, if we ever have to have it, we can always go out there and move the rock. But them people on the other lane are going to go to Raising Cane because them trucks are going through there. And I don't blame them, because they're not supposed to be going through there. But I just wanted to let y'all know and make sure y'all were on board and good with that. Now is that the guy that come a couple months ago?

Talking about it was Darrell?

No, that was Calis.

Calis, that's right.

We're still working for that. Yeah.

and then this one here i guess joey cooper with weema uh has been because daniels are fire marshal but joy would be the one to say i think it's okay and y'all talk with him i haven't talked right now i thought uh no not him but i can yeah that might be and see when we had the original of this because i was in the start of that originally they wanted that

because I was told that Leadenville Fire wanted that.

Yeah, because see, all that stuff's in the city. The Walmart and all that stuff on that Hickson. Hickson Boulevard. Yeah, that's all city stuff.

And it wasn't that city. in the other way all the time. And that's why it don't have no Knox Box or anything. And then people are just driving.

And so do we know why it's there and do we know why people are using it?

Well, we made them put it in when they put the development in because at the time the city fire department wanted a exit, a second exit. And now they don't? Huh? And now they don't? And now they don't want it because, you know, they want emergency exit. Actually, it's got signs on it that says emergency exit only. Okay. But these truckers, what they're doing is they cut the chain where they can get through it.

Would it help us to have a letter from Jason Barrett stating he's good with it? Just in case somebody...

Yes, I'm working on the old letter. Okay.

I guess I got one question. Yep. Is it so with y'all, and I don't know what we're gonna talk about, but so that means, in fact, those all, they only got one way in, one way out?

Well, I think they're gonna have two ways in. They're working on the warehouse back there, which, I mean, the road that they go in on is about 40 foot wide anyway. Yeah, it's so big. It's a three-lane road that goes in there. I mean, they... The way I understand they're going to connect with that warehouse that they're doing on Central Pike now is going to be all connected, so there will be two ways.

And I probably wouldn't listen. Who did you say was probably the least keen about closing it? Did you say that? Did I hear you right?

No. I said if we didn't close it. If you didn't. If you didn't, the people won't open the lane because there wasn't supposed to be any traffic through there at all. Gotcha. And I mean, I can't blame them because it's supposed to be an emergency access only. But like I said, they're... Walmart trucks are coming out of there, and I'm sure they're cutting the chain, or somebody's cutting the chain to get out, because it's a lot shorter.

Any other questions or comments, and do you need approval for us, or are you just letting us know?

Well, I want y'all to, you know, I want to let y'all know that we're going to do that and make sure y'all are good with us closing it off. So you do want approval from us?

Yes. Okay. What's the order? I guess we mentioned Joey. Mr. Director Cooper, do we need to subject his approval?

I mean, I guess, does it have to be, could it be, could we get those letters presented next month and then do it then once we see that to make it? We can. Okay. Let's do that.

Okay. Okay. Next. Next thing on the list, I want to ask y'all to bid a, we call it a knuckle boom or a grapple truck. it's on it's on state bid uh coming the trucks coming through international uh the estimated price on is about 243 000 but i wouldn't be able to get it till probably about the first september i want to go ahead and get y'all's blessing on that to get one because we're we're having so much trouble with trees now i'm having to break I happened to get two crews to go clean up these trees. And if I had a knuckle boom truck or a grapple truck, whichever one you want to call it, you can take two guys and do what you're taking two crews and doing.

So let me just say, are you talking about like it's got the big bed on it where they pick it up and put it in the bed? Yeah. I'll make a motion that we let it out for bid. We just accept the state, right? Yeah. Accept the bid. Yeah. It'll be off the state bid. Purchase. Yeah.

Okay. Any other discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay.

Next thing, we are paving. We paved 6.71 miles. They're doing a... doing our patching, general maintenance. And we are getting ready next week, next Wednesday, we're going to do our pre-con for the resurface of Coles Ferry, which is about six miles that we're having contracted. So I wanted to let y'all know the contract. We'll do our pre-con next Wednesday, and I don't know for sure. We'll find out then when they're going to try to do it. But they'll be this year, the resurface. on the bridges uh i've been in contact with them two or three times a week we're at the stage now we got the beam set on stewart's ferry they had to do the profiling of the beams we got the numbers back on that they started i think it was monday or tuesday they started getting ready to get to get the deck on it they had some Issues with profile numbers, but they can still work, but they said they're going to get them worked through. So it's just a process. People are going to have to understand it. It'll be all fine and dandy when it's done, but it's just we've got to work through this process. And I know there's been days that they haven't been out there working, but they've got to realize the days that they haven't been working, the sun's been out. they've had either inspections that's had to be done or different things like that and you know it's just.

So I try to tell this and I just give it to you so I know that you probably get comments as well as that. So Town and Fire did a story on it evidently and they talked a little bit was talked about the weather caused some issues and then of course people say well it's been a drought how could the weather be a problem? Of course we've had some pretty good rains but at the end of the day you know people say well there's nobody working there and we had that conversation yesterday but it's So with the bridge building, it's just like a house building. You know, I can get the foundation down, but I can't go further until somebody comes out and inspects the foundation. So the bridge is the same way. Once the bottom is set, they come and inspect it, do the computer work or whatever, so it can be pretty, but I can't be working until they finish that. And they set the beams, and they make them come out and re-inspect that. And then when they get the decking set, I'm sure they're going to come back and re-inspect that. Everything you do has got to be inspected. Yeah. And then when, and I know everybody knows this as well, but they gave you what we said, 10 bridges, and you fix those. But these three, the state said, hey, shut them down. They're unsafe. And so we could not not do that with a school bus going across it and wreck. I mean, once we've been told that, we have to do that. But the engineering, you know, for the first however many months that takes to get the engineering, nobody's working, but you can't move until the engineering's done. And then every time an inspection has to happen with a hydraulics or that, They just have to sit still until it happens. So, yeah, so thanks for that. I know we're trying to, on our website, keep updates. And so anything you can give Sarah or Brooke, they'll keep it up there. We try to direct people to that to get an update. You know, I know that the contract is up on the Soaps Creek in January. He's got to get in. But his hopes are is to get done a little quicker than that.

That's what people's got to understand. Their contract actually don't end until January. And they've got until January to do this, which they want to get done before then.

Yeah. Two reasons. One, they can take that money and invest that somewhere else or draw interest. Why would you wait until January to get your money? And the question I get asked sometimes, do we give incentives for contractors to finish early? No. Okay. Can we do that? Well, I mean, yeah. If you're willing to pay. If we're willing to pay.

Well, Mount Jewett Road, when it was widened, it owned three. that was in place and it helped.

I'm sure it does. I mean, you know, we can't control the weather.

But, I mean, if we could give an incentive maybe the next time we do this for if you get done earlier, you know, at least that just gives us another opportunity. You know, people think, well, they're a contractor, they've got several jobs, and they're just kind of stringing us along. But I don't believe that is the truth. I think they should get through as quick as possible.

Well, I mean, it's just like the gentleman out there that's over the bridge that's doing it, the contractor out there. He told me, he said, I wish we would already do it. And he said, you know, he got the name off three or four different things. He said, if that could have been done at this certain time, he said, we'd probably be almost done. But he says, I can't do it if the inspection ain't been done or something's wrong with the inspection. And he said, you know, it's kind of put us, he said, it's aggravating for us because we'd rather be working on it. And so...

And if they could help us, you know, if there's a way to get it done before school starts, that would be great, for sure.

I wish we could, I was, what I was hoping would happen, but I mean, it ain't gonna happen. But anyway.

Do you know when did he give you kind of an estimate date?

Well, now he, I mean, I'm hoping now, I was hoping maybe the first couple weeks in August, but I don't think that's gonna happen just because of the way the inspections are going. Okay. And so now, I'm hoping that maybe the end of August we'll know a little bit more where we'll be at, I don't know. How about Eastover? Eastover, I've talked with the state yesterday, our state aid people, the structural, they are reviewing it now. As soon as I can get the okay on it, I'll be ready to, I can put it out to bid, get the contractor, so... I'm waiting on the state to give me the structural back because we had to do the hydrox. Hydrox got done, got the blessing from the state on that. Now we had to send the structural off. They've got it. They got it Monday, I think. So they're reviewing. Like I said, the state told me yesterday they're reviewing them right now. So I'm waiting on them to get the reviews back from the structural. As long as we get the blessing on it, like I said, we'll be ready to start the process to get to bid.

Any updates you could send Sarah Brook to be direct? We'll get them out to at least, because that's something people would see, at least progress there. Okay. Anything else?

Other than that, that's all I've got.

Any questions for Mr. Murphy?

I've got a statement. I just want to talk about something that happened, maybe for the first time, that I'm aware of anyway. Mount Juliet and Lebanon, too, are pushing their urban growth boundaries. They're building big neighborhoods right to the edge of their urban growth boundaries. And so that really affects the county, being so close. And so recently, at least the Planning Commission, there's a good-sized development near Del Webb. And it's real close to several county roads. And one county bridge that's always been a problem, a narrow bridge out there on Beckwith Road. It's kind of a joke that that's where everybody loses their mirrors. You can't hardly get by, two cars can't hardly get by there, full-size cars, trucks. But anyway, Steve and his staff got together with Mount Juliet on this one, and Mount Juliet, as a part of the condition of that subdivision approval, is going to repair that bridge at no cost to the county. And I don't know that that's ever happened before in the county, that a city would actually get a developer to fix a county project outside of their urban growth boundary and get a developer to pay for it. But I just want to compliment the road crew. And I hear that y'all are going to meet every month. We're going to try to meet every month with Mount Juliet. And I guess the reason I bring this up is it'd be nice if we could do that with Lebanon. Now, I'm on the Mount Juliet Planning Commission. whole time I've been on there I've tried to encourage this I mean I've got them to annex East Division try to close up some of those holes down there to where we County City County all the way down East Division that's pretty much stuff like that I think we could we could make some gains if we get Chris Donald on the planning commission or something. You got any pull with Mayor Bell right now?

but back to your point this actually started about eight months ago we met and I think Christopher and the planners met and we said hey going forward if you have developments that happen in the city that's going to affect our County Road Network we wanted to remember talked about it yesterday so that we want to get that developer to pay as much as he can for any caused it's happening to our county road network uh inside or outside the urban growth boundary doesn't really matter to us if it if that's going to affect our network let's let them put a turning lane in put a red line in and both of those planners are doing it and they said they have done that and i'll try to i'll try to bring to you the list um i challenged that i said are you sure i don't remember that and so i got christy i said christy You go back to both of those cities and you tell them to show you where they've made county road improvements for a city development. And she's got a list. So I will bring that to you. I don't even know it exists. I thought this was a brand new piece of fine spread. But evidently they were already doing that. That's what they said.

Yeah, this is the first bridge I know of.

Yeah, this is the first bridge. Now, when Jessica Gore was there in Mount Jude, me and her worked together and we – done that i mean well she had stuff coming in you're going to affect the county she let me know and we it just kind of fell off because there's new people down there and actually this come up with chase and that's the reason we all got together and it was a good thing i mean it worked out good we all sat down in there and we had they had their maps and they were showing us what was going on what's coming up and they said well you know they said what do y'all think we need? And that's when we got to looking it back with them. I said, because most of the traffic is going to come to Beckham. I said, man, we've got to have something done with this bridge down here. I said, this is going to put, I think it's what, 600 homes? I mean, you're looking at 1,200 more cars. At least. At least. And I said, you know, this is killing us on these county roads. And they were on board. They said, hey, we're great. Hey, you know what? You know, he asked me, he said, what would you, how would y'all want to do this before we start giving out permits? And I said, we need to have this up front before anything's built.

Yeah. And one thing we talked about yesterday in our meeting is that we may come to this board at some point and ask for an extra person just to bird dog that kind of stuff and actually do the PIO on all the issues we have that hit Facebook and hit everywhere to counter that. I mean, we're doing that now, but I mean, we're doing that for every department. Every time I have an issue with somebody's department, we're trying to put out the fire. And we probably need to have somebody make sure all developments are being taken care of on our county roads. And there's a couple of other issues that maybe this person maybe could do. So we may be asking for that in the future. So, yeah. Anything else? No. Just thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I hear a motion to approve the report. Motion to approve the report. Second. All in favor say aye.

Aye.

County attorney's report?

Nothing to report this morning.

Are you sure? This is your day to have some fun.

I won't do it to him.

Now here you say you want to lower the county attorney's.

I think that it should go to me instead.

Any old business?

New business? Yeah, new business. New business. I guess I'm supposed to ask about the research in Hickory. Have you heard any more about that?

Yes, I have. So I can get that resurfaced pretty quick. I can get it drug in and resurface what's there. The problem is the widening. I just don't know if we're ever going to get it widened to what they're asking because there is no right there. I've got the survey back. There are some sections that still go to the center of the road. There's just no right of way. And then they're not willing to pay And obviously, you know, if you give it right away, people won't be paying. Since we're kind of on the back end of this, they're pushing back on that hand for the right of way. But my opinion, you know, I've done it across the road. I ran into the same problem because I tried to get it widened across the road when they done the turning lane. We've done the same thing. A lot of it is just the shoulders are right off and gone. When you drag that road, and resurface it and do it, you're going to gain a couple feet just by doing that. And I think on that section of the road, I think it's going to be, if we do it that way, it'll still be wide enough to stride. And for what that is, right down through there, because I'll tell you something else, on that section, I'm worried about if you go as wide as they are, there's a little bit of water problems through there. Hold some water, the grade's flat, hold a little water, you push those ditches out, you know, the road, the houses are pretty close. I think My opinion, I was talking to Steve, I think we're better off to drag it in, give it a few days, set it up like we did across the road. We've been in better shape on this section than we are across the road. Let them come in and top it. I think we can strap it. I think it'll be wide enough. The problem is, I got told, Bezier Homes, I said, you know, y'all got to stay off of it. The problem is they're haunted. They need to go down to the main entrance off 109 and go through the city construction center. They're cutting through there and going in their part and coming in. I've stopped them three or four times out there. And we're working on getting them to stay off that section and go on down to the main entrance down there. But if it's alright, I talked to him the other day and he had to like 60 days to the most if that's what we wanted to do. He'll get forced to go in and drag it and pop it and top it. I just wanted to, but it's not going to be the 11 foot, 2 foot shoulders that was... But I think we can get it wide enough to strive. Lovely.

And I talked to Luke yesterday, because I think Chad was going to bring it up today. And Luke said, you know, talked about we could come in there and drag it, and then we'd finish the home, and this didn't top it. But then you said something the other day that you drugged one, and it's a smooth road, but people were fussing and saying what we got. Yeah. Yeah, so I asked him, I said, well, let's, he said, you know, he said, I think we just drag it and top it and leave it alone. And I said, when will you be done with the home? And he said, three or four years. And I said, well, could we, could you drag it, top it, go out as far as you can go with what we got? And then in four years, you know, you may not want to do it, but we would, maybe that time, we do the legwork, the commissioners do the legwork.

Well, maybe by then, see ya.

They could. Seriously. But if they don't, we do the legwork on the right-of-way, and then you come in and do it if we get the right-of-way for you. So he said we can explore that. But I do think dragging and topping, just not just dragging, because you said you took a lot of heat on just the dragging, even though it was smooth. I think the topping is important.

If we do it and they stay off of it, they're not supposed to be going down through there. And then that's where it comes in. Once they get it done, it's for the county's best interest, just put a hall letter of credit on it. Yes. And if it's tore up, they come in.

Well, I'm actually going to put that red light up what late fall, after what I heard, that 109 there. Power Road. Power Road goes out.

Yeah. Was that Power Road? No. Yeah. Martha Legal there?

Yeah, Martha Legal. Martha Legal, yeah. Power Road's on that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're going to be putting a red light there.

Yeah, it is. And we called yesterday because some guy called us on that and asked us what the date was on that. But it's close. They were waiting on the polls. They were waiting on that, yeah. So it is close for them to get that done.

And they had said that they were going to try to encourage.

come that way. So this board could direct you today to get him to drag it, top it, and then get a letter of credit on it that if they tear it back up, we could take that letter of credit and fix it back.

If y'all are doing not going to the full width that was proposed, I just don't think we're going to get the right-of-way board.

But we maybe could explore the full width in four years when they finish other homes.

Let's get it grow again. This is a ratchet. Yep.

I know that's what Justin would like because he's been getting some aid on it, so I'm going to make it. Do we need to vote on that? Yep. So I'll make that motion to let Chase do his thing. We'll get it done. Second.

Any other discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. So you'll call it. Yes. Okay. All right. Anything else?

I'm good.

Anybody else? Motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn.