Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to call the order of the will county board planning and zoning commission regular meeting for July 7th. Would anyone please rise for the pledge and flag.

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I quite the latest in the United States of America and 3 to the public where she stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. May I have a roll call please?

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Here. Here. We have a quorum, we have a full attendance. I'm going to ask everybody who's going to speak tonight to raise their right hands and I will swear the room now before the meeting starts fully. Please raise your right hand. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. I do. Thank you. And 1 more thing, anybody who has a cell phone on, which he put it in airplane mode or turn it down or turn it off. I'll do the same for mine. Thank you very much. We have a minutes to approve tonight the minutes of June 2nd. I presume everybody's had a chance to read them. Um. So, I would take a motion on the June 2nd minutes. Second, I have a motion a 2nd, all in favor signify by saying, aye aye. Any opposed same side. Okay, next we're going to go for the June 16th minutes. And I would like a motion for that. I have a motion a 2nd, all in favor signify by saying, aye aye aye. Any opposed same sign. Okay. Our 1st, zoning case tonight is a dash 26 to 025. it takes place in the Linux. Township and, uh. I like man patent will be our presenter.

So, I'm going over zoning cases, you see 26025, the owner of the property is Perry family living trust with Jim and Renee Perry, both having 50% interest. The applicant is requesting variances of the bill in addition to the task garage and bring the lot into compliance. Uh, this is the zoning map of the property of the subject properties outlined in red. The property zone a 2 with 5 acres of area and 66 feet of lot frontage along South Spencer road. The a 2 zoning district requires a minimum lot area of 2.5 acres and 300 feet of lot frontage. A lot was created on August 16th, 1990. this was after adoption of lot standards in 1970, 1978, making it illegal lot. Uh, this is the 2026 aerial of the property with the parcel outline in red. Uh, the properties currently improve with single family residents, metal, barn, carport and shed during the review of the zoning case. It was noticed the carport and shed. Oh, we're built without permits and the applicant has applied for after back after the fact building permits for these structures. Uh, and then this is the site, uh, site plan that shows the proposed, uh, addition to the attached garage outlined in red. And then for the physical characteristics, uh, let me get this out of the way. Uh, okay view, looking at the subject property, showing the deficiency and lot frontage as if you look in existing carport as if you look in existing accessory structures as view, uh, looking East at the adjacent property across Spencer road. Uh, there's a view, uh, looking West at the Jason property. As view, looking South at the Jason property from the existing driveway as view, looking South at the home of on the adjacent property. As view looking West, uh, down the existing driveway to the home as view looking East down the existing driveway. Uh, this is view looking, uh, South down Spencer road as view looking North down Spencer road. Uh, so the variance, uh, requests were reviewed, uh, based on the criteria outlined on the screen, a more detailed analysis be found in your packets. Uh, but to summarize, uh, staff finds a variance for lot frontage. Um, the owner's play is due to unique circumstances of the applicant purchased the property in 2003 already as a nonconforming a 2 parcel with a single family residents and pole barn staff finds that if the variance was granted, it will not alter the central character of the locality. Uh, in the locality, there are 282 parcels that are deficient in lot frontage. There are also 481 parcels that are deficient in lot frontage. And while a 1 is a different zoning district, it does have the same minimum lot frontage as a 2 districts do at 300 feet. For the variance of maximum accessory building area, the play of the owner is not due to unique circumstances. A desire to build over maximum accessory building area is a personal choice and not a unique circumstance. The variance is unlikely to alter essential character of the area based on GIS aerials. There are 481 parcels that have built over 3000 square feet of building area. Uh, now to go over the 2nd, set of criteria for the variance a lot front staff finds our hardship is due to the shape and surroundings of the property. The lot was created deficient lot area on August 16th, 1990. this makes it an illegal nonconforming lot of the budding properties are all built out. Therefore, the applicant cannot acquire additional land to make the lot conforming staff finds alleged hardship was not created by the owner of the property. There are. Property was created deficient lot frontage on August 16th, 1990, according to recorded D, the applicant acquire the property on April 25th, 2003, for the variance of accessory building area staff finds the request is not based exclusively on financial gain. Uh. As the applicant tends to use the building for personal storage, a staff finds the approval of variance would not be detrimental to the public welfare or harmful to surrounding properties. The request involves in addition to existing structure structure that already complies with building stormwater and zoning regulations. The required permit would ensure the proposed addition continues to meet all applicable standards on the building. The buildings that were built without permits are currently getting after effect building permits to make sure they comply with the applicable regulations as well. Uh, and then, uh, staff did not receive any comments from any agencies that were notified. Uh, so staff is recommending approval for the variance for minimum lot frontage from 300 feet to 66 feet and denial for variance for maximum accessory building area from 3000 square feet to 4971 square feet. I can answer any questions.

Anyone have any questions?

No. Yeah, I guess I didn't see it. So they're asking 4971, but they were already over the 3000. so what were what was the number of it? Yeah, or the amount of addition they're doing.

Uh. I'm trying to remember the amount of addition. Um. That sounds is 18 by 20. yes. Okay. Yeah. So 475. So, they're not asking for no, so not adding, uh, requesting a lot more the 2 buildings that were a bit without permits is really what puts them, uh, well, over the maximum accessory building area.

And if we deny this, those buildings are in great girl. Yeah, not just the, uh.

Proposed extension, and you said there were other areas, other practices.

Yeah, so there were a 1 properties, which they don't have, you know, a maximum, but they are still in the locality. So, you know, from the street, you can't tell the difference. So they have built. Oh, well, over the 3000. No, there are 2s have built over the maximum accessory.

And he's got 5 acres of property, even though he's deficient in frontage. He's got a larger lot, you know, so. Okay, any other questions. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Are there any objectives or concerns citizens to this case here tonight? There are not. Okay. Uh, is the, uh. Agent Jim Perry here. Would you care to speak at all, sir? You don't have to you're welcome to though if you want to otherwise we'll just take a vote.

I didn't quite hear that to come to the podium.

Okay. He'd like to say it.

Yeah. Okay.

It puts you on the live screen TV. Thank you for your please please give your name for the record.

Jim Perry.

Thank you, sir.

Uh, the only. The only thing I did want to mention is that we did obtain the parcel. I mean, due to the size with 5 acres is a lot, but we also recently purchased the personal behind us, which is another 2 and a quarter acres. Okay, so we actually have 7 and a quarter acres. And it is, we do take care of the property very well, as you've probably seen in the pictures, but, uh, the other reason being, um. That, uh, we did, we, we recently retired so we're. We don't have room to put our personal vehicles inside because our building is our company. The big building metal buildings are is our business. So we put all the biz, we're not looking for a lot of space. It's just that the building takes up our space.

Yes.

And then the other 2 buildings, which we're trying to get our permits for, uh, due to, I'm going to say ignorance on our part. Is when we, the steel building structure that we're trying to get the permit for that building, we. We left it up to the people we bought it from to tell us that they were, we thought they were getting a permit for it. Our problem, and then the shed we use is for our, the size of the lawn. We have a lot of lawn equipment. And we just don't have room for that with the big building taken up our business. So the little building we're working with zoning to make it. To meet the permit requirements and. That again, that that again is the reason that we're hoping to build this small addition onto the garage for our own personal vehicle is 1 sits out. 1 doesn't.

The piece of property that you just acquired, does that allow you access to the.

Other road are the only access to that part. It was land locked outside of our road. Our driveway is actually city road. I don't know how they call that, but St Claire Lane is an actual road, right? And we can we on our property is the only way it can be accessed.

Okay.

If we ever did want to do something, which we don't, we like it just the way it is.

All right, I understand. Anything else?

Yeah, no, no, that's it. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Anybody else have any questions? I'm sorry. Should I ask that first? Um, and DC dash 26 to 0 to 5 slash V dash 26, that's 125 and V dash 26154. I would entertain a motion.

Mr Sharon make a motion for a DC 26. 0, 2, 5 slash V dash 26 to 125. For variance for minimum frontage from 300 feet to 66 feet.

Okay, I have a motion in a 2nd, may have a roll call place.

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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Mr. chairman same case DC dash 26 to 0 to 5. With variance B dash 26 at 154, make a motion for approval for variance for maximum accessory building area from 3000 square feet. 4971 square feet.

2nd, I have a motion 2nd, may have a roll call.

Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, so right here you've passed both. Does he have to see anybody or is he okay now?

Okay.

Our next case tonight is easy dash 26 dash 036. Uh, it takes place in, um. Yeah, district county board district 1. Illinois, and Alec Van Patten will prevent the staff report present, get it out there.

Uh, so I'll be going over, uh, zoning cases, you see 26036, uh, for a special use, uh, permit for a firearms dealer. Um, this is located in Shanahan, uh, township addresses 25734 Hickory court in Manuka. Uh, the owners of Jeffrey carpenter and Christine, uh, the agent is Jeffrey carpenter and yet they're requesting special use permit for running a firearm dealer business out of their home. And so this is the aerial of the property is currently improved with a single family home, a shed in a pool of the properties owned R3 with 21408 square feet of area and 100 feet of lot frontage along Hickory court, making it a conforming or 3 parcel. Uh, and then here's the plan survey of the subject property. Uh, so the proposed use is a firearm dealer as a home occupation of applicant currently holds an, or type. 1, or dealer in firearms other than destructive services or devices includes gunsmiths. They also hold type 6, a manufacturer of ammunition for firearms. These license are for the applicants previous address in Lombard, and they must get amended license from the to operate at the subject property. Business operations include the selling of firearms and accessories. Uh, transfer of firearms to customers not purchased from them, creating custom bullets for target hunting and competition, suiting, uh, gunsmithing and custom made pistols. Uh, the custom bullets do not involve any industrial machines as they're all hand reloaded and pressed. Uh, the gunsmithing entails small repairs, cleaning and mounting of scopes. And then, um, the business bull's eye guns operates by appointment only to the property. And then this is the zoning map showing the surrounding zoning of the property. And then this is the Shanahan future land use map that does outline the subject parcel as a single family residential. And then, for the physical characteristics of you, looking at the subject property as view, looking North East at the Jason property as view, looking Northwest at the Jason property. Of you looking South at the adjacent property of you looking Southeast at the adjacent property of you looking East down Hickory court and the view looking West down his Hickory court. So the criteria, which by by which staff. Uh, in this commission shall review special use permits are provided on screen and in depth analysis is provided in the packet. But to summarize a proposed firearms dealer is proposed as a home occupation. The well, county zoning ordinance has provisions for home occupations to ensure public's health safety morals. Comfort or general oil felt welfare are protected. Uh, 1 example of these regulations is that no equipment or process may be used in a home occupation that creates noise, vibration, glare, fumes, odors, or electrical interference detect detectable to the normal senses off the lot. Um, there's section 155 dash, uh, 10 dot 10 D, assess provisions for home occupations. Uh, the home occupations will not be interest the use enjoyment or values of other properties in the vicinity. Some of these provisions that ensure this include that home occupations may not involve any outdoor storage. And there may be no visible evidence of the contact of home occupation when view from the street or right away, or from adjacent property. The special use permit will be subject to federal regulations and guidelines associated with the federal firearm firearms license. Issued by the, according to the application application, the property already has cameras and security system. However, the county has no building permits for this. So, to meet conditions, 5 and 6, a building permit will be needed for the security and system cameras. Uh, per the home occupation regulations, any need for parking generated by the conduct of the home occupation must be met by off street parking on the same lot where the home occupation is located a staff professional opinion that the special use will not create traffic traffic congestion in public streets. Application will be required to comply with all applicable lot and development standards of the R3 zoning district. So the proposal satisfies all criteria for agency comments. The will South cook. Um, county soil, water conservation district, so the activity taking place on the existing property will have little to no effect on the existing land and then Illinois Department of natural resources and the eco cat a state that the natural hair heritage database contains no record of state listed listed threatened or endangered species. Illinois, natural area inventory sites, decade, Illinois, nature preserves or registered land and water reserves and the vicinity of the projected location. And then other agencies that were notified did not provide written comments. So, staff is recommending approval of the special use with 7 conditions and this will this special use will be heard at the Thursday, July 9th land use and development committee. I can answer any questions.

I have no questions. I, I see that you all the requirements are there for. Safety as far as a gun safe and. safer the ammunition so um anyone else have any questions thank you sir are there any concerned citizens or objectives to this case there are not okay would the uh owner um or agent mr carpenter are you here okay You have, we have a recommendation of approval by staff. We have no objectives. We could just load on if you want. Oh, you're welcome to come up and speak if you want to speak. Okay, thank you.

26, 0, 0, 3, 6. 26, 0, 1, 9, make a motion for approval of a special use permit for firearms dealer with 7 conditions.

2nd, I have a motion to check that may have a roll call place.

Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Our next case tonight is case number ZC-26-037 slash V-26-136. And it takes place in New Lenox Township. And HACES presenter will present the staff report. Good evening, sir.

Good evening. Yes, I'll be going over zoning case. The owner of this property is Dan, and the applicant is requesting the variance to allow the construction of a detached garage. Next slide here, we show a quick Sony map of the property, the property outlined in red, the subject property is zoned are to a, and is about 0.9 acres in size with 125 feet of lot frontage along Edmonton drive as well as 126 feet of leverage along schoolhouse road. The property is deemed a conforming parcel. Next slide here will show in aerial view of the property. Again, property outlined in red for the property record card. The property is improved with the single family residents. A 742 square foot attached garage, a 99 square foot detached shed. The applicant is proposing to construct a 1200 square foot detached garage. Located towards the Eastern portion of the property, a budding next to schoolhouse road. The applicant is proposing to construct a new access to schoolhouse road via of paid driveway to provide direct access to the proposed detached garage. Road authority approval will be required before the billing permit can be issued and an exit permit will also be required from the road authority. To add the required access from schoolhouse road with the proposed garage that the applicant is proposing the total accessory building area on the property will be 2042 square feet per the site plan. The structure would comply with all the requirements of the art to a zoning district, including side yard setbacks. Here we have a screenshot showing the platform, the property, and I outlined the proposed detached garage in red showing the approximate location. Next, we have a few pictures of the property 1st, the view looking East at the subject property. The view looking Southeast at the adjacent property. If you're looking Northeast at the adjacent property. The view looking West at the adjacent property across having to drive. This is the view looking West at the proposed location of the detached garage. But this picture is taken from schoolhouse road.

Looks like they got their corporate from it.

Yes, or not. This is this is the view that can make that assumption. This is the view looking North down having to drive. This is finally, I think the view of the South looking down Edmonton drive. And now quickly to go over the various standards and review criteria. As mentioned for a more in depth analysis can be found in the staff report, but to summarize staff finds that the plight of the owner is not due to unique circumstances. The applicant may expand these accessory area by right providing that the total size to not does not exceed 1800 square foot, which is a limit for the zoning district. The request to exceed this limit by 242 square feet reflects a personal preference rather than a unique circumstance. Staff also find that the variance may alter the central character of the locality in the surrounding area. There have not been instances where a property had received approval of a variance to increase the maximum accessory building area. And finally, staff finds that the conditions on which this zoning request is based on is not unique to the property. Similar request for maximum accessory building area are common across all residential zoning districts. As you have seen another instance today. With that said, staff is recommended that denial of variance and I'm happy to answer any additional questions.

Your denial is based strictly upon the code. Correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions, I guess.

Should ask the question about my little offers there. The condition says they must get approval from the road authority and you're saying we're just assuming that a cover permit. Do you have any knowledge that I'm not aware of or yeah, I should be asking the applicant.

No. So, as part of the building permit itself, I think the applicant is working towards that. I really didn't get a chance to check on that before coming to this meeting. But as part of that, basically, if the authority hasn't signed off on the proposed access or the permit itself, then the permit won't be issued. So it is kind of. Enshrined into the permit itself that if the road authority doesn't approve of the access, then it won't get issued.

Permit won't happen.

Right? Yes.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Are there any concerns citizens or objectives to this case tonight? There are not is the owner or Mr. John's records attorney here.

That here either 1 of them. Okay, she's the agent.

Oh, please come forward. Uh, I'm sorry also Garcia. Yes, please come forward. I skipped right over that with my eye and I apologize. This is agent primary contact. I should be able to read that. No, you're fine. Um. Are you you're representing this homeowner? So, do you have any reasoning why they wanted to increase the size of their.

The only reasoning we were given is just that they do have a newborn on the way and they're looking for more storage. So it wouldn't be more. So a garage, but just a place to keep any extra items they have in the household.

Okay, so, for instance, they might move a bed out and put equipment.

No, no, but it no bad. It's just a cold storage building that might move a bed out of the house.

So they could put a crib in the room.

Oh, yeah. Well, they might Dan out of the house. We don't know. We'll see how he does. Okay.

Um.

I have no other questions anyone have any other questions and I would just like to say that we are following will counties process any permit that we've been asked to get we have received. I do believe the covert permit is what you were talking about. Yes, I do believe that is uploaded into the portal already. But if not, I can double check.

Okay, so you do you have a.

Yes, and we also did the soil testing that you guys told us to do and just any other permit that's been popped up while doing this process.

Okay, that's a good start. Yes.

It is likely risky because. I, I know that area is heavily flooded and I know that expanding the use and putting another driveway will increase more water runoff. But given that there's no, no neighbors here to complain, I guess I'll be a yes vote, but I could easily be swayed if there was public here saying they're worried about flooding because just a mile South of there, we've had people come complaining about the flooding in their property.

Yes, change over the years, you know, I, I used to live just across the field from rubber road. And river road as his name suggests flooded constantly. I have helped evacuate people by boat. That's how much is flooded. Okay. It doesn't fall at all though. So. When everything is finally finished in these subdivisions, they pretty much have taken care of all of that. It's just in the process of building that we have all that problems. Uh, no other questions. Thank you very much.

Yes, of course.

A case number is easy to ask 26 dash 037 slash V dash 26. that's 136. I would like them all.

The case number that. Feed at 26, 136, there is for a maximum accessories will be. 1800 per feet in 2042.

2nd, I have a motion in a 2nd, may I have a roll call?

Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Do you need to see her too?

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Next case tonight I see Brian red. There's not here. So, uh. Marguerite's going to take Brian's case. Okay. T. U. P. dash 26 dash 0. 06. Temporary use permit for a lot of chicken coop on our 5 residential zone property period not to exceed 180 days. And that is in Illinois, Frankfurt township.

Correct, so this is temporary use permit to 26, 0, 0, 6, the address is 1, 9, 6, 5, 1, South beach, nut drive and and the property size is 5.75 acres. It is currently zoned our 5 and used as a school. So. The reason why it's before you is the zoning administrator is authorized to approve certain identified temporary uses in agricultural, commercial and residential districts in accordance with the zoning ordinance temporary use section. However, proposed uses that are not listed in that section have to go before this commission to get authorization. And this is 1 such instance. Um, because our zoning ordinance, which is section 155 dash 10, 10 B, 2, which is our accessory, um, uses it deals with the farm animals and accessory animals. So it limits chickens. In, um, well, it does not allow chickens in our 5 and our 6, because these districts typically are small lots, typically 12,500 square feet, 10,000 square feet, or I should say 10,000 square feet for our 5 and our 6. Um, so typically the belief is they're slightly too small to have chickens, um, where you can situate them on the property where they're not creating a nuisance to your neighbors. Um, however, this particular property, it is owned our 5, but it is 5.75 acres. Um, and it's significantly larger than the standard are 5 parcel. Um, there's adequate space to accommodate chickens without adversely affecting the neighboring properties. And you'll see that with a couple of photos. Um, the zoning ordinance also limits the number of chickens to 1 per 2500 square feet of land in most residential zoning districts. So, if this property were to be zoned are 4, which is the next dense property district or residential district, the owner could potentially have 100 chickens. Um, however, that is not the owner's intention. They are planning to have less than 5 chickens. Um, and this would be temporarily on the property. The site is the former location of the Arbery Hills elementary school, and the property or the building has been repurposed and used for educational programming. Um, so the intention is to use these chickens as part of that educational programming throughout the summer. Um. And with that, I can move on to show just some photos. So we have the aerial of the subject property. You can see the property is outlined in blue. And this is just zooming in to the detail of the subject property. The site plan on the screen is showing the red box where the reddish color rectangle is the proposed location for where the chicken coop would be located. And again, typically for the residential zoning districts are for our 5 or 6 animal confinement setbacks meet the standard setbacks for that zoning district. So it would be a minimum of 10 feet from the side property line. Looking at the zoning map, so we have the property, it's owned our 5 and then we have the village of park is located to the South. And then this is a connect explore looking at that existing elementary school that is now used for alternative educational programming.

You really mean to the park is to the.

So, this is just looking from the street, um, from beach, not drive at the school. This is, um, looking at the property from street. The property looking from Avenue. And with that step is recommending approval of this temporary use permit to allow a chicken coop on the R5 residentially zone property for a period not to exceed 180 days. So, the 2 conditions staff has recommended is that the temporary use is only valid between July 8th of this year through January 4th of next year. And no roosters would be permitted on the property with that. I'm happy to answer any questions.

Are these. Chickens associated with the educational, um. They have a school now.

Yes, I believe, um, the summer program, they are learning about, um, the development of chickens. So they started from hatchlings and they're going to teach them. I think the. All you can learn about chickens and I believe at the end, the idea is for them to be taken home potentially, but I do know the applicant is here. If you have any questions, I think he'd be willing to answer.

Any other questions. Thank you very much.

Are there any concerns citizens or objectives to this case? You are okay, I would like to hear from the applicant 1st. Do applicant please come down right over here, sir. Please give your name for the record.

Good evening. Okay.

Thank you sir.

Thank you.

Um. We, we have a concerned citizen or objector so I'm going to let you speak. Then I'll ask you to sit here up close. Give them a chance to speak and you will then be able to answer any questions that they have brought up. Okay. Great.

Thank you.

Um, but I have. Some concerns I want you to know about please. I know the area very well. Uh, you have. a large wandering pack of coyotes that run through that schoolyard periodically. So I want to make sure that if you get this permission, you protect your chickens so that they aren't eaten up overnight one night.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, we also have. Even though it seems like a very urban area. There's also skunks and foxes in the area, so. It is something that you have to be aware of when you're putting up a chicken coop.

Thank you.

Okay. Anybody have any questions other. If you please take your seat, I'll ask the concerned citizens or objective to come up. Okay. Thank you.

Would you please come up please give your name for the record before we start?

Good evening. My name is Angela foster.

Okay. Thank you.

And my apologies my voice. I'm a little. My don't worry about it. Okay. I mean, just you go ahead and start well, I live at 9418 park lane. And 1 issue that I have is it indicates it's for the summer. But the summer, but the permit is requesting validation dates from July 8th through January the 4th. That exceeds the summer months.

Secondly, your daily days is what they're allowed to permit.

Right but I recall reading in the information that it was for summer month time period. That's not the summer month. It is 180 days. So the other issue that I have is that I don't want to look out. My window and see chickens. Or chicken coops, I don't I was concerned about the roosters, but I do see that there are no roosters permanent on this property, which would decrease the amount of. No ways, so that that's fine. However, I do not wish to look outside my window, which I can look out now and see that there are chicken groups there and chickens. I guess it's just permission was given on the opposite side of the property. I don't know. Because I wasn't here for that, but there are chicken coops and chickens there currently.

I don't want to see that other property other than this 5 acres.

No, on this property. It's on the opposite end. So I don't wanna see that looking out my window any closer than where it is now. I don't have a problem with children being educated about chickens and planting and things of that nature. Farming, that is very vital for our country and our communities, but I just don't wanna see it, the chickens, when I look out my window. I also know that if I'm willing looking to sell my property, most of the time, when you sell property, you sell it during the summer months, starting in April. That's when the viewings traditionally start because families want to be moved in prior to the start of the school year. I don't want to have to see chickens and I don't want people who are potentially looking to purchase my property be concerned about chickens and how that affects their property value and the sale of my potential property. The 3rd issue I had, we do get a lot of values and I see them. They've been running it. I wish I had my camera. They've been running and digging under a privacy fence recent. So I'm seeing recent activity of coyotes when I usually see them more. So, in the colder months. So that's another concern and it impedes on my ability to enjoy my, my patio. Because I'm concerned about the coyote activity. So. Those are my points of, um.

I could tell you about the coyotes when the ground floods coyotes usually live in caves or. Things that they've dug out and when the ground floods, they have to get out of there. So you'll see them running up and down the streets. See him sleeping in alleys. I mean, it's just the nature of the base. And the county does have a animal control program, but the animal control program is not geared for wild animals. It's good for domestic dogs and cats and things like that. So it causes confusion. You almost have to get a trapper. If they're really bothering your property, you almost have to pay for a trapper. Who has a federal and state licenses to come in and trap coyotes. That's the only thing I can tell you about the other is. You're concerned. Um, anyone have any questions. Thank you.

Let me ask Angela. So. Your argument that chickens might bring more coyotes. I don't know if that treads a lot of water with me because you're already seeing lots of coyotes.

Yeah.

I'm seeing, but I don't want to dismiss that. We hear this with lots of cases, whether it's solar farms or a construction business. You're definitely within your right to say you don't want to look out your window and see chickens. I just find that shocking because obviously you feel strongly this way. You came here. Guy, you're just at the last minute to state that. This really would, I mean, and a lot of times people are upset if we don't kind of honor their request to deny something because as neighbors, they don't see it spent. So I'm just trying to parse this out. How do I extrapolate this? To me, this would be no big deal, but obviously it is to you. And I would tend to say it is a temporary use permit. Of course, we give them 180 days. We'll talk to the applicant. He might say he only wants to go during the summer season, but I tend to lean to let them try something like this. And the good news is they would have to come back if they want to do this next year. It's a temporary use permit. And if there were problems, then I would expect you or neighbors to come and say, this did not work good for us at all. Otherwise, I'd be tempted to let him be approved for this. So I'll give you the chance to rebut that. I mean, just it would really upset you that much to look out your windows and see chickens.

Yes. 1 option would be to put up a privacy fence that extends all the way around the other side. So we don't have to see. The chickens, that's an option and then that would be a win win. For both the community and the property owner.

Something like that, like, our private defense around the area that he wants to keep the chicken. I believe staff could correct me if I'm wrong. Even though there's a conceptual plan that showed where their chicken house is, I think if we approve this, they can literally put it anywhere on their property as long as it meets the livestock setback of 10 feet. So they may be agreeable to say, well, then we'll just put it on the other side of the building. We'll ask that. Mr normal.

Okay, that is a privacy fence that was built by the developer, but they have dug under the fence and it's a pretty large hole gaping hole now and the water runoff doesn't help it. It just kind of continues to erode the area. It is. I can see over the fence in a certain direction, yes, which is how I know that there's a chicken coop there now with the chickens. And the owners on that side, when they come out of their home, they see it. They walk and they see it as soon as they open their garage door or go to their front door.

I hope you don't take me wrong because I don't want to dismiss your concerns. If you told me there was going to be semi trucks there, I, that, that seems much more, but just. Chicken that seems very limited in five that seems so minimal to me.

Do you have chickens in your on your property?

I had chickens for about 18 years of my life and not for the last 2 years, but I had roosters and. I get the prejudice towards roosters. I never minded the chickens throwing at four in the morning was laying in bed because I was like, well, I guess I should be getting up too. But so we've got that taken care of, but I just.

And so I don't know, are you a farmer? Well, I was just going to ask that. Are you a farmer and do you have neighbors or did you at that point in time?

So about 5 years I had neighbors and they told us that didn't bother them at all either. But a free call definitely helps. But yes, not having roosters, not even roosters is the key. To the interface, so no, no, I street in neighborhoods. I think the applicant really should probably have a fence because 1 tends fine that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence or you have a certain worm. They like better. They do like to go up to 100, 150 feet from a coop. And if you already have breaches under your privacy fence, then it wouldn't be unconscionable for you to if they're not fenced in on their side to come home and find hands. In your yard, and if you don't like looking at the neighbors, I pretty certain you're not going to like looking at their area.

No. I'm an urban liver to a certain extent. So, uh.

They can be destructive to a flower bed or a garden. They scratch 24 7 looking for food.

I would like to say, if I may. Um, coyotes are traditionally seen in the area in their months, but now we're seeing them now and this was before the rain. Um, so. I would just like to make that point that they are more prevalent. And it didn't have anything to do with the right there.

There's a huge research project in Chicago, the urban coyote foundation. They've documented the population growth. The timeline is coyotes are very well habituated with humans. They don't mind living with us. They've lost all their.

Primal instincts and and the reason we see so many now, right? This very moment is because of all the flooding we have.

All the letters have been born.

Yeah.

There is invasive there is invasive a certain weeds on my farm and people's gardens.

There is a possibility with chicken codes that he can face it. So the therapist in the chicken groups. I don't know what he's going to have, but just the back and she can cook the patient. You wouldn't even seem to do it.

My 1st, or Mr. Personal.

Well, thank you for voicing your concerns. We appreciate it. No, thank you for listening.

And her address shows that she lives right South of the coop.

So, staff a quick question please come up, sir.

This means there was every residents around here was notified. Correct? Yes, a lot of people were notified to my understanding.

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

You've heard her concerns. Are you have you said anything thoughts on how you might rectify those or.

Absolutely, we don't intend to keep the chickens through the winter months. This is strictly a summer thing for our summer program. So by the end of September, October, early October, they'd probably be gone. We're just experimental for us. First, you're trying it and we may be back next year, depending on how this year goes. Point is, we want the kids to see the chickens while they're chicks, while they lay eggs, give them an egg, take home, et cetera, kind of get that experience for them. Yeah, we haven't seen the coyotes. I haven't seen coyotes out there. Honestly, not yet. I don't stay there at night, but you do. Maybe you see a coyote out there, but I don't. It's a three by five coop. It's very small. And when keep it small, we have a very good, I'll call him a donor. He's a farm. He brings the chickens. It kind of helps tend to the chickens when he's there. So we've got an experienced person that kind of is helping us out to do this. Uh, the fence, I'm sorry, 5, 6, 4 to 6. yeah, you know, he, he rotates off. Yes, correct. Yeah, he, he rotates them out. That's correct. He right. We don't have a fence now. Um, at some point, if you go for a permanent structure, I think the fence is very good idea, but for a temporary fence, I think the, the cost of that is cost prohibitive right now to do offense the back of the word, the red box that you saw in the picture. That back area is already fenced now. And so it's the building and then it has a fence back there. Correct.

So if you're understanding the chickens would come out of the coop, they would be able to come out, they wouldn't be housed in it 24-7?

They'd be housed in it.

Oh, in it. They never come out?

They never come out. Okay. It's a small. That makes a big difference. It's a small three-by-five coop. They're not coming out.

Okay.

They're not unfortunately free range chickens. Believe me, I don't want to come to us. There is yeah, there is yes. Correct.

Yeah, I know looking at your thing at me, you think I came from a little 1 house. 1 room school house and like, little house on the prairie. But, uh, I actually went to a large public school in Chicago where we had the same program. When I was in 3rd grade. And I'm an old man, so this, this program has been around a long time educating children. Uh, how Florida grow, we used to have plants. We used to have tickets. The school district band all wrote and so we didn't have.

And maybe I can get your name and number after the meeting and introduce myself and kind of come see what we want to do.

Yeah, you could go talk right now. Absolutely.

The, uh, the lady that was just up there, I heard her correctly. She said there's already chickens on the property.

Correct. So when we, as far as summer program, so when we applied in. I want to say April, we tried to process with Brian and then we were told we can put the coop out there now, because summer's coming and our program ends probably another month or so. Chicks will be gone by early, you know, early August, maybe late. Um, early September and so, yeah, there are chickens now inside the coup 3 by 5 group again. We had a person that's trained comes by and rotate them, cleans them, maintains them.

Any more chickens and you're not getting another group.

No, not another group. No, no, no, no, no. We're not.

We're not point 2 groups out there and you have regular classes starting in September, right? We have classes now.

Yeah, we have summer.

We have some, I know, but you got all your long classes September. You'll be starting new class.

That's absolutely correct.

Yeah, it sounds like what I've heard many times our staff was flexible and figured that this would happen and why make them wait and not have it at the beginning of the program.

That's good. And we appreciate that because that was the whole point. And honestly, we didn't think it would take this long. Um, we thought just apply 3 by 5 little coop how, um, once we heard where. Our district. If we were our 4, you could do without a permit. Just to a group now, we're our 5 because of the. Lot sizes you have to go for our temporary permit.

Sure. And I'm speculating that you could apply for zoning change to our 4 and they would pretty much meet all that criteria. Wouldn't they? That would be a much more expensive than asking for T. U. P. problem.

That's exactly what we're told.

So that's kind of the takeaway.

That's exactly what we're told. So.

I'm probably going to disappoint. Mrs foster, but I do hope that if for some reason, it's a big problem and you try to do this the 2nd year she comes again. So the groups are there. Are you going to leave them where they're at? Are you going to move them over to where that red box was?

Um, we're there about the around the red box where they're at.

Okay. They're when she's possibly the other side of the property. I thought she meant to the, what would be the north of the building or the top of that.

No, they're it's not the South right now. There's a fence by about where the red is. Yeah. Approximately right there. Yes.

Okay.

Are there any more questions? Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, uh, 26 to 006. Temporary use permit, uh, we will ask for a motion.

Mr chairman, yes, 26 and 0, 0, 6. Most approval of a temporary use permit to allow chicken coop on our 5 residential zone property for a period not to exceed 180 days. With 2 conditions with 2 conditions.

I have a motion a 2nd, I have a roll call please.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

Are we have any announcements or anything from staff?

Yes, yes, I just want to introduce our newest development analyst. Kaylee Wallach. Um, she joined us. Would you repeat the name? Haley wallet?

Katie was thank you.

And she started last week, so this is her 2nd weekend and you'll see her before you soon enough.

Welcome.

Well, let's get you a couple of controversial zoning cases.

Yeah, wait, wait, do you go through some of these big solar cases? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Try not to be prejudiced roosters. Everybody here.

Well, then our, our next meeting will be scheduled for July 21st. And staff has sent us, uh. 3, um, case me, uh, what do you call it? So. Pardon me sound like a really during getting it here. Um. 3 minutes approvals in. The computer or on the phone. That you'll have to read for that meeting. So. Okay, thank you very much. And I'd like a motion for adjournment. Don't move a motion or 2nd, all in favor signify by saying, I, uh, any opposed same side. Okay. We're going. Thank you all.

Yeah.