Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

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Okay, time is 7.05, Wednesday, June 30th, 2026. Planning and zoning commission meeting is hereby adjourned. Pleasure to meet you.

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Commissioner Stan DeLong-Partner.

Here.

Commissioner Jim Musgrave is absent. Commissioner Jerry Avey. Here. Commissioner Jim C. Borders.

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Chairman Jeff Palmer.

Here. Next item is approval of the agenda. Motion second.

Commissioner Stan von Gertner.

Yes.

Commissioner Jerry Avey.

Yes.

Commissioner Jesse Borders.

Yes.

Chairman John Coleman.

Yes. Next item is minutes, approval of minutes. Meeting held on May 19th.

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Commissioner Stan Von Gartner?

Yes.

Commissioner Jerry Avey?

Yes.

Commissioner Jesse Borders?

Yes.

Chairman, Jeff Palmer?

Yes. Minutes approved. Next item is public hearing for filing 3, Fodder-Platt, and Second Amendment . Okay. We now open the public hearing for the final flat farm subdivision filing number three, second amendment final PD plan for the farm plan development. Purpose of the hearing is to provide a public forum for all interested parties who wish to comment on these applications before the planning commission. Please sign the roster. The procedure for the public hearing will be as follows. First, we'll have a presentation by town staff. Next, there will be a presentation by the applicant. After these two presentations, we allow people who sign possibly speak at the podium for up to three minutes. Please do not repeat points made by others. It is fine to get up and say I agree with the prior speaker's comments. Please direct all your comments to the Commission. After receiving public comments, we allow the applicant and town staff an opportunity to respond and answer any questions raised by the public comment. Then turn the matter over to the Planning Commission. Commissioners may ask questions of anyone who testified. We generally don't ask questions during the presentation. Finally, the Planning Commission will discuss the matter and take some kind of action.

The Thomas family is proposing to continue development on the farm and they have a lot layout revision for finally number three. They have submitted a final clap for filing number three and the second amendment to the final PD plan. The town had previously approved two subdivision claps for the farm. Number one consisted of single family detached residential lots and filing two was sold to the school district. The town also approved a final PD plan for the farm, which establishes the overall development plan for the subdivision, including permitted land uses, maximum number of lots and overall density. and the First Amendment to the PD plan added school to the permitted use. Excuse me. Filing 3 will consist of 54 80-foot wide duplex plots. There will be no changes to the previously designed 8th Avenue, 9th Avenue, or Johnson Street alignments. 8th and 9th and Johnson will be constructed as part of this filing. Water and sanitary mains will be connected to and extended from the existing lanes that were installed within Johnson as part of filing number one. They're also requesting a second amendment to the PD plan. Currently the PD plan shows single family detached dwellings along 8th and 9th avenues. The proposed amendment would change those to duplex blocks. The maximum number of blocks, 250 and overall density 2.04 blocks per acre will remain the same. The principal impacts on the town, the future budgets will be significantly impacted by this development. The Thomas family will be purchasing 54 water and sewer taps, which would equal over $2 million. These funds would obviously boost our reserve for water and sewer associated purchases. The applicability to town objectives and goals. This is consistent with the comprehensive plan compatibility with its surroundings, including consideration of adverse effects caused by traffic circulation, Building height or full clock of screening or intrusion privacy. The design shall include adequate, safe, and convenient arrangements for pedestrian circulation, roadways, driveways, off-street parking, and loading space. Section 153.100 to 113 of the Town Code establishes the criteria the Town Board and Planning Commission must consider when approving or denying the proposed final plot, which includes adequate provisions for stormwater and flood runoff have been made, water and sewer lanes will be extended in accordance with Town requirements, easements for water sewer utilities have been provided, and adequate land has been dedicated to the Town's boroughs and public places. options available to the planning commission you may approve the resolution or you may disapprove the resolution and direct the town attorney to prepare a resolution disapproval thank you good evening

It's an opportunity to be here. I thank you for the presentation. It's pretty straightforward. Simply, the farm was originally designed in the street right out of Justice's presentation. It isn't proposed to change it. It's just a matter of looking to convert those two blocks from single-family residences to declassified residences. So that's been the only revision To the original. pd and limited p for sales industry. All the associated signs, according to just. The service and I may have things so on information and space of that nature so that's it and the chill be glad to answer any questions you might have.

What made the change like whether. from single family to duplexes. Is there some call to add duplexes or just the thought behind it?

More affordable for homeowners to, what we've seen.

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Kind of what we've seen on the other lots of times is people can't afford, you know, an iPhone or not. You know, if it could be, you know, $340,000, $330,000 for a house, they'd get more affordable for it. But, you know, they're, you know, one of them, you know, to get qualified. Not only that, I was kind of repenting when I got to, you know, get a little more marketability on a home that is so nice home to this dude. Yeah. But we kind of wanted in there too, you know, somebody bought it because they're 80 by 150 and so they wanted to send my family home. But still, you know, I was supposed to send my family home. And it was a lot. So I just brought them back, you know, one on fire and one else breathing. Down to an 80 foot wide, you know, but they're still on it because we, so. Yes, still plugging through.

Okay, I just wanted to know. Thanks, Sean. Right, so we'll now open the public comment portion here. Hi, my name is Susan Dickey and I'm a resident in the farm.

I live on 104 7th Avenue. I've been here for a little over a year and a half.

One of the reasons we purchased in this subdivision and not very part of the community, we absolutely love the community and the atmosphere, but we decided to go into that particular subdivision because it was single family home. And we knew that there would be building behind us. We were well aware of that, but we were also told it would be single family home. And we felt like, well, We don't have a problem with growth and people coming in and more single-family homes. That's fine. But now it wants to be changed, and I can only speak for myself, but I will tell you that a lot of people are disgruntled, and whether they're here or not, they have to speak, and if they feel they're not, that's up to them. But the feeling for me is that it changes the dynamics of the subdivision. Some of the notes I made on here were the increase in traffic, and you guys mentioned that. So hopefully things of that will be taken care of. The number of parked cars could be a problem. A higher noise level in the subdivision could become a problem. Decreasing privacy, I'm not sure how you would, you know, we're right at the back there, and it's open right now, and you put a duplex back there. we're going to have less privacy with people doubled up. And I don't know, it wasn't clarified whether it was, are they single level? I don't know that. No one said if they're going to be single or double. So that's a question I would have. Hopefully someone will answer that for me. As you guys, as the planning and zoning, I'm sure you've talked about, you've discussed the sewer and the maintenance and all that. Do plexus tend to have a higher turnover? They tend to have more vacancies than two family homes. And they can affect the neighborhood and the character and the agricultural style. And there's less open space. And that's what we love about this subdivision is the open space of the big yard. And we have plenty of space. We have plenty of privacy. The other piece why I came to this was we're really struggling with the problems we are having on 6th and 7th. I sent some videos, I don't know who has steamers and who hasn't, of after the storm we had last week, and this is very common when we have any kind of rain, we have a significant pond issue, and it's gotten worse and worse since we moved in. There was a small one when we moved in, and it has tripled in size, and it's very deep, and you can't even tell where you're driving to avoid the potholes, the water is so deep, and that's on 6th and 7th. We live at 104, and when we were having the house built, the sidewalk caved in and the road caved in, and our builder told us that would be taken care of. It's never been taken care of. My husband maintains that. He keeps putting fill dirt in there to keep the water from washing out more dirt from under the sidewalk because it was collapsing more and more. So that is a problem, and I think that should be taken care of. We have a massive hot oil on the streets. And I appreciate Thomas Farms. They came out and they tried to be helpful, but they brought big chunks of concrete and trash to fill that hole. And to this, and that was last summer, I think. And I appreciated that. I really did. But the big chunks, as cars fly down there, they fly out. And it's just danger. And it's huge. And it's still, there's a huge problem. as far as being a safety factor, as far as those rocks and all that stuff that's in there. The other problem we're seeing in 6th and 7th Avenue is there's a pathway right in the middle and it goes back to the empty, the plot three or plan three that you're working on and then over to 6th and that's never been finished and I understand The subdivision is not finished yet. We've lived there for two years and the mud and the dirt that comes rolling out of there fills our street. And I asked to have that looked at. And the response I get is we can't do that until we sell that last lot. We have one lot that's not full and not built up. Well, we've been here two years, almost two years. What if we're here for another five and that never gets sold? My point being, the road is in really bad shape. So I have concerns about the problems we're experiencing on 6th and 7th with water, mud, potholes, lakes. And again, you can see my videos. If you haven't seen them, I sent them over the other day. I took them after the storm. So I'm trying not to repeat anything because you asked that, and I think that is all I have right now. Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

I would agree with the comments that Susan made. I also would like to point out that while I understand that they're trying to make the area more affordable, It seriously affects the people who have already bought in this area. And for the same reason that she mentioned, many of the same reasons that we purchased in this area. And we were told that the area was going to be single family homes. Just built a really nice school and looks like a great area for development. And for me, it's more of an investment. in the property and the development. And this is going to take a large hit for me and a lot longer for me to recover and maybe never recover my investment in the home that I've purchased. I would argue that the, I understand that the water taps and the infrastructure is a benefit to all of us for the community. in the water here, it's also a problem because I feel like the infrastructure in our area anyway has been, we've had several people with many problems and still having problems with the infrastructure that was done there. And our development, the two blocks that we're looking at now are not complete. And when you look at the plot and layout, I don't understand how it's, supposed to be how it's supposed to work and we have people with gaps uh you know two feet gap between their property lines and nobody maintains that so people put up fences and then we're just stuck dealing with rows of weeds and um you know no man zones of where the property owner is not responsible i've been told that the town's not responsible because it's not been taken over by them, and yet these gentlemen do nothing to maintain the weeds or finish what they've started. So my ask would be, finish what you started. Let's see that that's even possible, and then see what we can do with future development.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's all that's on the sheet. Is there anybody who would like to speak at this time? Okay. And I will close the public comment portion and give the developers a chance to invite any other questions. Well, they gave us some of the

Concerns. We'd like to see the rest of the houses built out on 6th and 7th to go back and recap, because we have to recap the asphalt. You know, we put the layer down. And some of it has, there's divots and stuff. We understand that. We try to put things in there and make it less of a thing that we can start to money, but we understand that. But, you know, we're kind of always in development. We finish everything, so the equipment's not tearing up the final plate of that song, you know, and driving over the concrete. So when you're done and you go back to the top layer at all, and then there's that concrete. And we still own four lots on 6th Street. And then there's another four lots that another party owns on 6th. And Curtis Vernon still owns one on 7th. That's not going to go. He might, you know, let the lots get better. It's going to go. ahead but on the duplex side um you know they're giving privacy because they're going to have fences just like everybody else you're going to have that back door offensive here and have that everything else and i know in tunnel park they have duplexes always standing you know a block away you know or the next block over and you know i think it's worked over there and you see You know, I see people, I don't know about the turnover rate or nothing like that. And on the wheat brown, we have hired wheat control accounts for, you know, the boys were over there this morning. And we have, we're trying to work, you know, with everybody. Everybody's doing a portion of it while they're coming. Any questions? Yeah.

There's no town board when... There's no kids for the town board. How many of these, weren't there duplexes on the original?

Yeah, there was over there by Corona. Yeah, there was some multi-family commercial over there. Yeah, over there along with the school block. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, but then on the outside, but it's still multi-family school block.

Yeah, and that layout was more for an apartment. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks for jogging my memory. Is there any documentation that home values

are going down when duplexes are put in. Is there any documentation that you get less desirable people? You mentioned turnover. I guess that's going to happen pretty much any place. I mean, we live in a completely residential area on 11th Street. And for the people that been there since we moved in and it's rotated out. So it's gonna happen. But is it bringing in people that are less desirable? Personally, I know some people that have purchased those duplexes over there. They're nice old people.

they're not causing any problems now well that's parking i understand that can be a problem too but they're still going on the sidewalk and you know a garage state that's insane is the same thing in your home you know so there'll be you know could be majority off the street you know i'm sure that you know like any city residents i'm saying some people but uh i don't know of anything that hurt them

Yeah, I haven't seen that either. There have been a lot of hearings in a lot of places. You know, Kingsburg and Yardley Park there, that's proposed now to go from 182 units to 428 units. And a lot of the conversation originally was exactly that. Who's coming in here with more of that? There was some wild concerns. And it's turned out because of the codes that were in place to I think the RV has to be within 10 years. Let me just use this as an example to finish your question. That's, you know, they've had the principal of the school lived in there. He had millions going through, he was going through a divorce. They had a, just like you mentioned with the apartments, you know, some folks that, many of the county employees live out there. I know, I believe the golf course is actually, you know, looking to secure units out there. What I'm going with it on is, Ultimately, when you have a house that's raised, it's on, you know, you have to have preparables. And so, only when it compares to other single family homes. And the values of these duplexes, they're going to be bad. There's certainly more, there's two units in each building. But I've seen nothing in my 30 plus years, you know, that makes that statement. And it's been my experience that when you do construction, just raise up the value of everything.

I didn't know that question. Okay. You have a business section there. It's kind of hard for me to tell, since I don't really read maps, drawings like this, to tell how big that business area is. I'm assuming that's on the corner.

Yeah, it is on the corner.

So do you have any interest in what kind of business would that be?

We have not one down there.

Again, it's kind of hard for me to understand or know size, but are we talking about a place for two or three businesses or just one?

I think it's going to depend. Yeah, it'll be, you know. comes, who has a desire to build at that core? I think I'd have to look at the plan, but I'm going to say it was two and a half years ago. So it can be more, you know, and it might come back in front of you at some point, you know, if it's a smaller use, say a coffee shop, you know, we did the Ziggy's in Fort Morgan, you know, that's a real small footprint. So we'd have to submit a final plan for that. So it's yet to be determined, but the intent is, is, You know, one of the multiple businesses.

Okay, let me ask you this then. How many coffee shops could you put in there? Drive-through coffee shops? Because then I have a concept of what that involves.

So Mr. Green opened that corner at Barlow and Highway 34. And we just designed another car walk, you know, in there. It's about that size there. Oh, it's not. It's not two and a half acres. Yeah. So the number of seeds, you could probably get ten more. I mean, they're pretty small footprints.

Ten or more. Of course, we know that it's not all going to be comment shots. It was just an example.

Yeah.

Thank you very much.

Jeff, can I ask you a question that somebody asked but that I don't think was answered?

Oh, yeah.

Go ahead. One thing that one of them brought up and a lot of them live on, of course, that would be a change. Oh, I'm Cheryl Weinstein. Just a clarification for them. These guys live where they would be adjacent to the duplexes. And I think that a big concern for a lot of them is the privacy issue. And so one thing is, is that all the homes that we have right now are single story ones right there. Are the duplexes that are going to border these guys going to be two story that people would be looking over your fence? Because right now there's a lot of privacy in those lots. And I know like over on the other side, some of them are branch and some are two levels. So I don't know if that's going to be a consideration that we'll be forward.

Thank you. The original PD, we all have the same max 35 feet. So not to change that. Certainly there are one story, two story. I don't know if there's been any model model set up for it. So, yeah, it's not to say that it is intended or it's not intended. The intent, I mean, from our side was we set up with the same panel code with 35 feet. Yeah.

Can I speak to that?

I'd like to ask a question whenever suggested.

Yeah, sure, go on.

I know I did some of my homework.

I did some of my homework before I came to the meeting. And I think that I would request that the Flanagan Zoning Commission do some homework as well and look at the pros and cons of adding duplexes to what was advertised as a single family home. subdivision as far as what problems can arise. And I think you'll find the things that I found. So I would request that you guys do some homework as well and research that. You'll see that there are some very significant issues adding that into it, that what was advertised and what we are something like single family homes.

So I would appreciate it if you would do that. Because there is a lot of information. Thank you.

Yeah, you have a chance to address them. Well, on the farm, I mean, it's not ever been wholesale. There's all kinds of things, you know, commercial, there's all kinds of different things. It's the main development from the get-go. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, we're not Trying to put a bad product out there, I would not change, but, you know, hurt their own values, which, as if trying to put another good product, they also might, right, there's just a few points. So, you know, we're going to have fences like everybody else out there. So, you know, it's not, like I said, it's for even younger generations, but you know, a lot of retired folks who want to move into a smaller place. Maybe it's the same yellow ranch, you know, but they can move in and they'll have to take care of a lot of more house and maybe if they're out there right now, they live in the area. So, they could already move into a big house and then move this thing, right? So, yeah, it's a lot of effort driving and seeing if they want to put it open again.

opportunity thank you thank you okay all right we're gonna discuss it here two minutes so nobody else has anything okay what do you think what do you think yeah what do you think what do you think well i have multitude of mixed emotions

I recognize the fact that I'm looking around and watching online and all. For starter homes, it's really getting difficult for young people, and for that matter, even older people, if they're trying to downsize or move or whatever. It's getting harder and harder. So the duplexes seem like a good alternative. But on the other hand, I don't want to create a problem for people that are already living there. I sympathize with you if you were told one thing and you're getting another. Well, quite frankly, we did the same thing. We were promised a library and a gym and all kinds of stuff. And for anybody that's been around, Iowa Park you know we didn't get that so we know what it's like to do that but so I have concerns if there's you mentioned the problems that the duplexes provided I don't know how to look that up but I would like to at least check that out is it does it affect other property value around them? Does it, because we haven't noticed that, or we are, but we don't have any right in our neighborhood. And is it bringing in the wrong kind of people? From what I could see or tell out there, I haven't heard or seen that. So I don't know. So I guess my feeling is I'd hate to vote on something Until we had maybe a little bit more of the pros and cons. I mean, we're hearing from each side here, and they're going to have a different story. We need to figure out what is in between what's good for everybody involved. That's probably not what you wanted to hear. Well, no, I'm going to hear it.

You know, I kind of agree with Jerry. You know, the impact that it's going to have on the neighboring buildings and everything around them, I get that you're supposed to have, like, or when they do comparisons, they do comparisons to, like, family homes, right? Like, single-family home comparisons or do-like-home comparisons and everything. Like, your valuation should be based off of a building that's like yours, right? So I don't know that it would decrease the value, but at the same time, I don't know that it would decrease the value. And with Duplex, you also have a lot more traffic going on in there. So if there are already traffic problems, I get that you don't want to do anything with the roads until you have everything built and everything, but there are already problems with the roads. More traffic is not going to help with that, right? from what it sounds like that duplexes were already on the model from the original planning process anyway, you know, whether or not it was there where they were supposed to put them or not, you know, but some more definitive information about what this is going to do around the neighboring area, you know, I wouldn't mind getting that information also. So.

Could I ask one more question?

Yes.

where where is um since i'm not trained to read recognize maps like this where are the duplexes are they at the for some reason another i had the idea that they were going to be to the far end towards road p they're on eight to nine speed

I'm sorry, could you repeat again? I'm sorry, I'm hearing it there. It's all on the map.

Between Johnson and Main. Yeah, that's between Johnson and Main here. Yeah, so on 8th and 9th. So, yes.

Where are the... It's the center.

8th and 9th. and i could see there being more value to having a structure there than there being an empty lot there as well you know what i mean

I think that would be, we're just giving it to me like a good idea would have been, but all of them at one end and that takes them away from the neighborhoods back here.

But I guess what I'm saying is one of the new start-ups, there is a neighborhood just like this, but I think, I was telling Jesse, I'll say, like I said, no, I'm not going to explain to Jesse, they can be a single thing at home too. You know, they don't come to buy anything duplex. Yeah, it's not a strictly duplex. No, it's given an option. You know, it's either or. So that's what, you know, so it might necessarily be anything. And there might be something wrong. It just depends what a builder comes in and what they want to do with it, you know.

Right, that the lot's moving so we can get the road and everything in route. Right now, nothing's moving.

Right. With the developers. you know, and sending them slowly, you know, and those big lines, which we thought everybody would like, but nobody, you know, not as many people can afford, you see. The real estate right now is not, not a hard thing, you know, so we thought if we could come in and give options out there to builders and, you know, would help get people qualified, you know, and so on. The town did the same thing with Kyle Park on the second. I believe it was second phase or third phase. Absolutely wrong.

Southwest Corps, we've actually, we've done the exact same thing. We've changed them from plot sizes and everything like that to incorporate the duplexes, but they actually had somebody else wanting to build the duplexes. Yeah. And duplexes, single family dwelling, you just connect. Absolutely. There's still single family dwelling. There's a stigma with duplexes. There's a multifamily dwelling. Yeah. It's actually a single family doing it. And I sat on the steering committee for her comprehensive plan. And if I remember right, one of the surveys, one of the highest surveys from all the residents of Wigan was more affordable. That was one of the surveys that was one of the highest people said. that they wanted more affordable housing, more housing for teachers, more housing for, so, I mean, as a board, we gotta provide existing land development code, but we also have our comprehensive plan that's been updated that we have to think about.

So, I wanted to throw that out there. Absolutely, and I agree with you, like, more affordable housing is kind of a, it'll definitely attract you on the market and everything else, you know, so. Dan, have a turn from you.

Yeah, that's a cool question. I'm afraid we have interest in this already. We do have some interest in it. Yeah, possibly. Yeah, we have people that would like to. I mean, I guess they're probably interested in it. He was the guy that got That's kind of what's going to, you know, you need more affordable, you need affordable housing for people to go into. I don't know. That's what we, you know, thought. We heard you a minute ago. It just goes to the questions. You're still going to have single family in between, maybe, or? Well, yeah. It's kind of however it plays out, really. I mean, I can't guarantee, but I kind of see how it would probably go. You know, you'd have one building maybe, you know, by, you know, certain amount of lots, you know, and they'll either single family or two products, you know, depends on their what they're wanting to do. You're going to do that. It's actually pretty normal now.

It kind of breaks up the range styles.

single family home, same person as it is, but there's four blocks of duplex.

You know, there are some cities that it's all duplexes. And you notice what I've been seeing is it's kind of broken over. Yeah.

And that's, you know, I mean, the homes are going to be six and seven you know you know it may or may not be the same home building it may be the same home building but you know i know they were showing interest in the new york city and they were showing interest in the new york city and they broke a very good property you know i know they were one of the parties So, it's just kind of, you know, we still want a very good property company. So, do you know where you would start with it? Well, it probably, most likely start on the 8th. That's the next year, you know, to convince Johnson over the 8th, you know. I mean, part of it's already done, right? I live on 122 on the very end next to where the pretend Johnson Street Road is supposed to be.

So is that going to get finished before you start building? When does Johnson Street continue?

That's a part of it to continue on. Johnson has to continue down to 8. I think it's empty. Yeah, there you go.

Yeah. I think this one triggers it all.

And is there going to be an HOA for this as well? Absolutely. Okay.

And... We're going to enforce the HOA because it ain't happening right now.

I'll have to address... Do you have to take that up with...

yeah yeah and then we have to do it then right and then street lights is that going to be ever you know are we never going to get straight like was there street lights on the original

They came in after we approved.

All street lighting shall comply with the town of Wigan street lighting standards. Yeah, thank you. Okay. And then to address the second story. I get it. I know privacy. I like where I live. I live in an old town. My neighbor's quiet to one side, and you've got an old trail of school to the other. But if my neighbor was to come in and sell and take his house out and put in a three-story, as long as it's under the height of the town, there's not much that we can say. Two-story, I get it. But there's not much we can tell them. Oh, you can't build anything, but That would have to be up to the developer. If you put that in his original PD, it was always single family ranch.

But you got anything else, Dave? Well, my concern, you need to get a stem ranch. I'm concerned you're not going to exist. I think we're finished. That's what I'm saying. I think it's OK.

you wouldn't say you're going to be, but I'm going to be, well, you're not going to be. And I know that's stuff with the basic economy. Sure, but we do have to put it away and set it up again. I mean, it's just one thing.

I'm sure the folks are having these through that. Yeah.

When was your plan? I mean, how many more lunch do you have on?

Seth, would you come up on that side? We can have a conversation. I cannot.

Oh, sure, sir. Um, Seven, I think there's only one. Yeah, Curtis will get it for sale. We might load it for Curtis today.

Have you considered capping since it's almost finished? And if there's any more construction, yeah, I'm going to stay on Johnson and go down the night. Yeah, I have.

I mean the four lines would be nice to move our four lines and then, you know, wherever they put the four lines to, you know. Yeah, well, again, that's not, that's actually, I mean, that was a couple hundred miles long. But yeah, definitely attention. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. An idea of like, oh, yeah, we're going to cap it.

Well, I mean, I mean, I saw when I come in with you know, save the night, maybe, you know, we could do something or some work on it. It's a discussion that is a lot. Yeah, thank you.

Anything else? You got anything else? I said, you got anything else that came up for you?

Are you expecting me to have something else? No, I don't think so. I just want to do some research and figure out what the impact is and so forth.

you you're expecting to do a vote and move this on yeah yeah we can't take it out so we have to vote and then we'll move on to the down board if they have the same concerns or everything they can always say yeah we have already advertised for the next public hearing with the board of trustees i don't know that we can change that so if you so we need to vote tonight but if you have concerns about what you want to go research you could bring that up to the board of trustees on july 8th okay so we're basically going to vote to move it on to the trustee voting or not yeah i mean no matter what moves off to them either moves on to them with the passing of us or no from us then they get to decide from

Okay.

And I don't have anything else.

One last thing, I read your concerns from living on the first phase over there. And I see that a lot of your concerns are like what's existing now. You have concerns that if you start another project, you know, if it only gets halfway done, but that's also what They're the developer. They're putting a lot of risk out there, developing their property, relying on builders to come in, buy their lots. So I get, I hear all of you guys. Yeah. But I do know Wiggins needs more and more water. And the farm was When we started, it was a big boom. It was also a larger lot. I think now, with the crunch and financial and all that, people are wanting a larger lot. I don't foresee a whole bank of duplexes coming, personally. I just don't see it. I do see some, but I don't see the whole, I don't think there's going to be a whole block of duplexes. But you see, I think maybe if we change the lot sizes, you know, advertise smaller lots, maybe a couple other buildings, you know.

That's right.

No more discussion. I just have one comment. I'd like to clarify my position. I actually am in favor of lower price homes being the duplexes. But I also want to be fair to people that have concerns. And that was my concern with, even though I personally would like to see the lower price homes more affordable. But I also want to be fair to people that have concerns. I just can't get that off.

going up to address your property value. I'm not sure how they do property value because I went in and argued my property taxes last year because they had my house valued at $600,000 in hotel rates. And I went in and I complained. I said, how are you evaluating my home? And I compared it to the farm in Cotton Park and they essentially told me, no, we don't. That's too far away and it's not. We've got to value your house at single family. So I asked him, I said, well, then what can Old Town Wiggins have sold for $600,000 that you could value mine in? He couldn't answer. So I think the tax assessors just draw a number that they think that they need. That's my honest opinion. I think you could have a trailer house next to your house, and they're still going to value you if you're in a stick-built house. They're going to try to tack on as much value to it as possible. Because that's tax money for the county, that's tax money for the cities, that's tax money for the school district. I think they overvalue Brooklyn by a lot. That's my personal opinion. So I think if you put a duplex in, I don't think it's going to affect your single-family house because the tax assessor is not going to do that. They're going to want as much money as they possibly can. That's what I get from it. Yes, ma'am?

So can I... Do I say something about that?

Real quick. Okay. Are you an assessor?

I do. I do. I work for appraisal companies.

Well, come right on up.

My name is Melanie, and I live in the Farms 1227th Avenue, and I work for companies that do appraisals.

Okay.

And The tax value is different from the appraisal value, your home's value in the market, what you're selling. So you're exactly right. The assessor wants to charge you as much as they can so that they can get your tax. But the value of the home, it comes from market forces and lots of other things. It doesn't really have, they're not comparable. It's apples and oranges, those two values.

That's right. Totally. Right. Right.

Exactly. Exactly. So that's, you know, that's the difference. The research that I've done with my expertise and my knowledge in real estate is that duplexes, they never increase the market value. I'm not talking tax assessor value. I'm talking market value. It never increases market value. It doesn't always decrease it, but it likely it can. Due to a lot of the forces that we were talking about, increased traffic, you know, hurricane, a lot of those things. So that's just, I wanted to, okay. I was in line. Okay, thanks.

I'm done. Did you hear what she said? I mean, did you understand what she was saying? Was that answering your concerns?

To some degree, yes. I guess I still want to, I'm going to, Give her my phone number and let her give me some information. I'm searching. But you'll catch me afterwards. I appreciate it.

We'll be there.

Resolution in progress still. I would entertain a motion. In a vote.

Surprisingly, I will move to approve the motion. Do I have to say it a certain way? No, you said, yeah, you did. I don't have to say it any other way.

So it's a motion. Two and a second.

Commissioner Jim Musgrave is absent. Stan Baumgartner. Yes. Jerry Avey. Yes. Jesse Borgers.

Yes.

And Jeff Palmer.

Yes. Right. Resolution . You got to show up to the town board and give them If you think of anything new, too, please bring it up to them. That way they can hopefully discuss it from there. I thank you all for coming. It was kind of shocking to pull in here and see a car. We're in here all the time, and nobody ever shows up. Ever. And then we see you on Facebook. A lot of people like it. okay anybody else thank you for me i think so yes times 803 and i'm doing provider yeah thank you