Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

when did he get May versus the one going down came yeah best nothing was on the perect okay so I'm noton well a now no Echo chamber maybe I mean honestly like if I'm just showing us off my laptop to these guys you don't know don't probably we can we can find out as soon as we get no

not I look at a computer all day long you have something new for us I was going to show a couple things that changed since the work session okay that's all and' be fine okay thank you yeah correct everybody ready you ready okay all right time is 710 Monday February 11th Planning and Zoning meeting is hereby in session you do a roll call actually we should do the Pledge of Allegiance then roll call behind it move to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all okay now roll call please here Y is absent okay uh next item is approval of tonight's agenda

we have the agenda the minutes from from our previous when was our last meeting I don't remember I don't know I slept since it wasn't January no it wasn't we' been last year yeah so what we're going to have to do is at the next pnz meeting we'll have to bring those and these minutes then we'll approve both of those for the record but we can actually approve what we got right here I move we approve the agenda for the meeting second motion's been made with a second yes yes yes okay is approved without approving minutes of last meeting okay so we'll strike four that would be the minutes so we' actually here it is September 10th so what we'll just need to do on the next meeting is have those in our packet and then these okay perfect excuse me the next item is a public hearing for the Wiggins connected comprehensive plan which is pnz resolution number

1-22 a resolution adopting a new comprehensive plan for the town of Wiggins I will now open the public hearing on the proposed comprehensive plan and further record as this hearing been properly noticed okay is there a staff presentation on this matter sounds good all right okay Brett come on up Dam your mic oh it have to come from yeah have to come from us to make it sharable [Laughter] we could have her check see if anybody's online okay if there's nobody on there then since I spent

some yeah we can sit close all right okay so this is a timeline this is It's the culmination this eff's largely been done since fall so it was about a year and a half in length um you know really the last few months has been waiting for approval hearings and perfecting a few little things in the document but overall it went from basically you know April 23 till September October this year and we stretched the times out a little bit because we were we stretched the periods of Engagement out to get more input like we had a whole summer and whole spring and so forth so and the town staff and everybody on steering was comfortable with that so I think it's it's working one thing to note in the document that you guys all read through yeah kind of sort one thing that we didn't um this vision statement there was never we didn't any engagement say here's our draft vision statement add what you like and don't like because it seemed like the big focus in this plan was not so much the word smithing of a vision statement but actually fig out what goes in it's thing right but usually these kind of documents do include some sort of vision statement and just to paraphrase I mean essentially it's it's it's not really rocking the boat it's basically we're calling for a high quality the town's looking for a high quality small town focused on families and you know with more things to do here and so forth so it shouldn't shock anyone that vision statement um now the future yes yes that's at an angle if the light is shining that a little better I know you proba work for you guys and on this one it might be better to turn

to your text one thing I did want to point out that has changed a little bit since we had a work session in November we had one in November with the town board you there yes you were there okay so we have the land use plan that really is not baral changed we did get the town got input from the Roberts 81 folks and hey hold now um we had some colors on there that were strictly you know red for retail and some mixed juice colors but the descriptions of those categories as they were in the documents they felt didn't reflect the whole range of things they were looking at in their PD which has been preliminarily approved but not reported technically so technically they don't have a binding entitlement right it's just been hanging out there right because I they want to do a piece by piece or something anyway um so hearing their comment and it's valid would have been nice to have had earlier yeah but we basically created a new color on the map basically call it a roby1 it's that light blue you know kind of grayish blue color there right and we so I want to point that out that's the only real change the last few months and then the language in here describes Robert's 81 as I understand it Robert H1 planner and developer folks have seen the language and they're fine with it England basically it's covering west of 82 north of 76 so basically we described the plan anticipates a mixture of residential commercial uses may include mid to high density resid home senior hous mobile home parks may include a mixture of retail commercial uses as well industrial uses that was the one thing that we didn't have in those colors The Way They Were because they could get some industri

which I think everyone generally fine with there it's well planned um and we basically refer to the Roberts 81 plan development PD document contain additional information regarding land uses and character development anticipate robert1 property so that's the main change in the land use plan from the last few months you know you've probably seen this in the document we had some guidance for downtown wigin in terms of anticipating character streetcape stuff like that Central Avenue as well um it was covered in the work session we did back in October there was a I wouldn't say it was a disagreement there was kind of some back and forth about what to show on the Town Park area we are we weren't contracted to do like an official Park design but we felt like things we to speak to what people might want to see in these parks to help guide the town um the big discussion along the way was always about Comm Center rec center right so the town had done had some planning done by some CU Denver students or whatever for that area down by kyowa Park we had survey questions along the way in in the conference of plan which talked about ask folks where you think a Comm community center on be that seem to be a big focus of people and the plurality definitely said town park over kylo park over on Main Street or someplace to the north and so that became kind of a Focus we had the last round of Engagement of what that might look like and that little plan that's in the document shows an option where that area east of the water tanks you could actually fit in a a smaller Community Center with some parking and so forth and it ties to the rest of town park here now having said that knowing that a community center can cost a a brand new one a good amount of money it might be a while the other option which has really been I think was kind of driven by the

mayor really shows that dirt area east of the water tower and this could also be a near-term thing and you could convert it to a community center later showing putting um another sporting field or two in there additional parking area right so you know instead of just trying to figure out which one want to have we basically have both options from there probably the most likely is to do that easier one first I know from discussions that there's water in hand that can be used for those Sports Fields now and like I said commun the whole 10 20 million right sidebar soing we're almost done with Burling every town on out there they like kids they're problem blah blah blah there's no place to hang out there's no place to work out inside and so they already have a community center but it's basically what they have like they weddings they have Community College office there some me rooms and so forth we're talking about there is actually converting simple space in that building like she just meet into a workout with right stuff like that you guys don't physically have a building do that right but it's not in the document but just you work in these small towns back in for you see you know some ideas floating your have back in between them one idea I did share with them from what mayor's already done you have already done Town Park they have a nice park out there outdoor park but in the winter time it's C right now there's no place to hang out indoors and we put a little box on diagram and said well for Go's sake you could at least have a fairly inexpensive building that could be indoor outdoor like they have a

wigin they SP 150 Grand at least you have garage door so you don't freeze your butt off during holiday life so I think there's probably some interim things you guys can do for community centers and stuff like that but tough part is you don't really want you get out of language about collaborating with the school but that's probably yeah um but we showed an option for that I I'd say I'm getting just you know you a growing Community I think you chance try to get that's the community center topic with Town Park um one thing also to note is the water component so DOA the department of local Affairs which the state of Colorado which fund funded this effort and funds a lot of other Town plan around Colorado they actually have criteria they want you to meet and actually the one change of the last few years is ADD now the guidance of how detail it has to get has been continue to evolve and probably will continue to evolve youve seen emails yeah there's other things that these plans are going to need by within the next five years more detail detail on housing and some of these things even came about in the last half of months and there's a lot of things coming out of the stage for these requirements where but you know I'm not sure all the state ages totally know what the guidance is for commities but basically and youve seen back and forth of DOA water component basically in comp plans of 10 years ago it wasn't even really considered or they

if there was maybe you had existing conditions chapter we all this detail about the pipes and everything or it was a separate water thing here at the very least and the chart is in the document we counted out what all the stuff show on the future Landings plan would result in or could result in just using normal rules of thumb for the water demand per day right so it's 3.6 million gallons a day which is a t and and they also say if a town can show how they're going to how Supply that in the future that's good right the water well there's no way we can go and right to that at this point but at least she gives you an idea scale now the future L's plan I believe it's actually written in the document a little bit to this point it's not like okay everything here's gonna happen within 20 years it's a guide in Colorado and in the middle of the country planning commissions Town board they can drive a truck through me it's like you know the buy showed up and wanted to be down here andbody be like oh you know I mean as my opinion too many towns just blow these things off based upon stuff that comes the go the intent is that you actually use this to guide what happens but what I was getting at is that you know all this probably won't develop within 20 years to some extent um this happens a lot in areas where you can grow in any direction or most directions you show land use guidance for the area around basically provide some guidance for what might happen if development goes there or there or there right and it's there's also the fact that as you know these are a lot of these circles are owned by farmers and private property owners who many of that may just want to sit on prer until something changes right but you know that calculation CS

out everything that could come from this um the comments that I made to the work session I think it's written pretty well in the document is that you know it shows some residential expansion to the east just kind of logical it's attached to the town doesn't really show hardly any to the west or to the South which I think should make the folks in kylo park happy because it'll keep the country Fu essentially most of the area to the southwest and north of town is still gonna you know as colors act it's assuming this all stays rural there could be some expansions of the East but again it would depend upon what happens here but the big story of the cop plan future land use plan is the expansion pretty large area for expansion of business and Industrial and commcial to the north and maybe even some around County Road 3 although that's probably less likely to happen before this this would be more logical you can't see this as well from 76 but obviously the connectivity with 34 and 76 is key and while everyone's been focused on Robert 81 there's still a lot of areas here nor and it may not work necessarily for the gas station or something that needs to have eyeballs for the freeway but you know with Northern Colorado growing so much really for columns this is I would think becoming a pretty important juncture and if I'm looking to put a distribution center or something I exact price to GL but I would think you probably do the heck about it easier here than you could in Sly Johnstown so that's and this is the opportunity to build your tax base then do all the stuff everybody wants in the town like fix the roads and RX Y and drain engine yada yada everything else right the other thing that has come through in the cop plan and it was supported through public engagement you know it's that those images that we saw for Main Street for Central Avenue is you know the idea that on Central Avenue it's not forcing it but you could

actually have kind of a Down have field through you could have twostory buildings you can have some small residential units up above and some commercial down the ground floor on Central Avenue and same thing on Main Street where you have some empty lots or somebody wants to take out a building they can put in a twostory building something like that we're seeing more and more where communities see infill a place where they can't F those kind of housing units that maybe can't fed anywhere else you know you if somebody took out took a parcel here and put in commercial on the ground floor they had like 12 Apartments those this getting beyond the scope of this plan but the town could work have what the school should have it would be teacher units you know for teachers there used to be a teacher to or it could be designated for fire fire central workers you know housing's becoming a big issue everywhere and that's the one thing you need to have is housing PR your central FS so there's that um what else can I C here oh so there was support in the plan for the water conservation Elements which it's in the text here I copied it out basically reduce the amount of irrigated Earth in future parks and current Parks um upgrading the water system to provide capacity that's going with Nob brainer um this is important requiring developments to bring their own water to the table I don't think you have that policy technically but no we didn't so that's push never been adopted well it's in the comp plan so that's not an official ordinance but is pretty strong where it's a pretty strong basis to pass it I'd say You Secure fun for um grants to provide incentives for water customers to install water conserving appliances that's not a huge thing but the big is encouraging use of waterwise landscaping

such as Z escaping basically everywhere in Colorado now the wire discussion you you follow the stuff the metro area but plac like aora you know if you're doing a new development they're severely limitated tur Turf you can put in but it's just I'm a home owner and I do irrigate A A small area of grass it's not a big yard P water quadruples during the summer the household use was like no big deal right so I think you're going to see here in across the state more of a change to that again I'm starting to ram a little bit like Burlington there water uses per capita is 400 gallons per capita per day everyone's like my gosh they they are IR getting like crazy probably more than you are but I think everyone starting to realize that needs to be curtailed and managed some more and so basically the survey third survey there was strong support here like 60 70% favor or strong either strongly or somewhat in favor of that water conservation strategy so if you dig into the details here I don't want to keep you guys too long but and not I'm not going to go through chapter chapter chapter by chapter this but I mean I guess my St speech here is that there is a lot of time and effort and money but when and as a platter I guess I flee to you is to use this use it and you know yes you can deviate from it it's a guy it's a starting point but for the broader Community I probably say this louder to tell Bo you know these goals and action items you have to get involed them but there's a lot of things here that really you ought to do and one of the most important things that I think the town's

looking at doing is upda FL use code right because you've seen us around different communities where they do the comp plan looks great and wonderful but then if somebody comes in and wants to do a development their codes from you know 1975 90 okay not bad pretty pry pretty old it doesn't really speak to all the stuff here and so the code is where the rubber hits the road where you really want to bring the outcomes of the copr plan into reality so my hope is that you do that I stand think our apply for GR or something get started on right yeah we love to work on ourselves we'll see um so housing tourism yeah I'm go through Point by point I covered some of the major stuff do you all have any questions oh really I can keep going on chapter by chapter but I know I said on steering the implementation chapter at the end um has some stuff you probably want to fill in over time like in terms of funding but it has um at least initial thoughts on timing and prioritization of the different action items that can the Plan that's something good to use in the future um otherwise you know the other major really other major changes since the work session we did a lot did some graphical clean up here and there on just graphics and added more photos so this was ready for a January 22nd board meeting and then it was the town attorney discovered do at PC and then or

so I don't think you have to make a condition we could just change the be to February yeah change I don't think for that I think we can just change it sing file so or you can just leave it as January big deal so you know been a lot of work gone into this and so and my that the town Ro uses this I'll be speaking more loudly to that couple weeks but again oh I didn't thank you what's good fun it's been really enjoyable working at wi I've seen events and stuff can't see anything there oh pictures of some of our events it's been fun thank you it's been fun um yeah I mean I myself got well yeah and uh there's a lot of good folks here there's a lot of good spirit um I've heard it said over the course of time that editorial sometimes get gets in its own way yeah so my hope is that you're right by that mic could you use it please oh I'm sorry I'm hearing impaired I oh can you hear me now did you hear any what I was talking about here the last 20 minutes oh I see good okay no I'd say it's I've heard comments along the way that Wiggins has kind of gotten its own way on some stuff along the way the last few decades really and so my hope is with the new town manager and staff and everything and a pretty energetic mayor it seems all this will actually move forward y I think so I think it'll be okay I think we're on the right track anyways yeah got a few few things we still got to work on but everything during the course process it

seemed like development kind of slowed down which maybe was good because we didn't have a bunch of stuff running in the door wanting to get approved right when we're figuring out what the town wants to do yeah so I'm I'm thankful it slowed way down so we could get this in get it adopted and then start working on the the code the Land Development code for right I I mean it's going to come back it may not yeah come back this year but I think it's going to come back so right so any questions no so I'm good I think you have a resolution but then the town board do they accept it or do they have to adopt it do we know we get the resolution and send it up to them and then they adopt it as a okay an ordinance I guess you want to call it I get it yeah okay so the first step is us getting it through to them and no we appreciate all your hard work yeah team and yeah yeah you guys done wonderful yeah any other questions again I didn't do a fullon presentation but it didn't seem like we needed to okay I guess I'll go through my uh well thank you very much yeah we'll get this done and then we can yeah yeah I got to open the public comment so I I'll open the public comment portion of the public hearing anybody online and nobody's here so I won't go through the whole since nobody here nobody's online we will close the public comment nobody's in the audience so if there's no public comment none anybody in the audience I will close public comment we will now proceed to Planning Commission discussion we have any questions for us no I think that one thing I'm gonna say I think this is great it gives us something to it's a good start Point

yeah so now if you know there's talk maybe the RV park again or something maybe so if that comes in it gives us some type of a map to a great location for it I also staff or people community like you know that land big business part area yep that's true got yep yeah Market market for the town yeah sometimes on TV I see you know come to why isn't Aurora but you know like come to Aurora build here you know I know that's what they're doing is advertising so no want to advertise too much but we do need some businesses okay well there's no questions so we have a draft resolution in front of us and I would entertain a motion now to understand are we approving this yeah to go on to the go on to the board okay yeah which one wants that what do I need to say I'll I'll do it you got to make the motion I make I make the motion that we approve this second okay motion has been made with a second oh we need to yes yes yes okay all right resolution number 1- 2025 is hereby approved so that's

that okay we got any anything closing remarks or you guys for okay I think that's we probably should have a work session sometime in the next month or two figure out I think we would like to do is for me is and I'll do some investigating if they want to do some investigating but start to look at like a some type of impact fee schedule that we could bring before the board something that we can work on as the Planning and Zoning okay you got anything you want to discuss for the next work session something other than water yeah when you have water obviously with that we need a lot of water a lot of water and we're going to have to insist that anybody that comes into develop yeah that'd be something that we could do with yeah that for a lot of places where I've worked when they were trying to do Kwa Park I was standing here talking to the board that approved it that was my biggest argument was where's the water are they bringing water and we were met with a lot of push back from the board at that time we're trying to kill development and if it kills development then it kills development like if they don't have the water why would we provide the houses we have to have the water for them so that'd be another thing we could put on there too is that could be kind of included in our impact water's got to be

brought problem you want anything for a work session Gary I'm sorry so do you want to bring anything to a work session you have any ideas or thoughts no I just I still Harbor a little bit of frustration that when we bought our house out here we were under the understanding that what we've been talking about the entertainment center yeah and Paul arino was a hell of a Salesman wasn't you know that was that was uh a given I mean we were presented that it was going to happen then we found out later that no no yeah that was the arbitrary Buffet yeah fumble that they didn't have the yep right minute uh well resolution I don't know if you ever seen the original map of Kwa Park when they were yeah had the swimming pool and yeah that well we didn't the false advertising what's that yeah that's why I say he was a heck of a Salesman okay so I think that'd be for whenever I'd say wait till probably March sometime quit till warms up a little bit yeah let's get a little warmer and then we'll unless something comes up from now till then okay well time is 7:44 so Planning and Zoning meeting is here by a j well thank you so you had to travel out here with the weather I'm talking could get three Ines I think but they're thinking three to then they snow snow