Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I will call to order the Monday, July 28th plan commission meeting. Uh, normally, let's see, we don't need to call the role, but the first item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from the meeting February 10th. Body taking a look at the minutes. And if there are no questions, we could entertain a motion to approve. Move approval. Thank you, Jane. Any second? I wasn't there. So, wasn't there? I wasn't there anything. We have a second and uh I was there. And he has to abstain with So we have three people to approve this. Is that accurate or you're going to abstain? Three out of Yeah. five. All right.

You can do it. Yeah. Uh All right. We have a motion and a second for to approve the minutes. Uh all those in favor say I. I. I. That's three of us and abstensions. Three. So it passes. All right. We will move on then to the new business. We have one item on the agenda tonight. It is the review and action on a planned development district pre-etition submitt for a proposed grocery store at 500 East Silver Spring Drive, uh, where Sundex is located. Kelsey, you want to kick us off?

Absolutely. Um, so tonight's agenda item, as President Buckley stated, is a pre-etition conference to reszone the Sendex property to a planned development district. Uh the purposes of our planned development district as outlined in the village code um reading verbatim is to encourage and provide a means for effectuating desirable development, redevelopment, rehabilitation and conservation in the village of White Fishbay by allowing allowing for greater flexibility, better utilization of topographical and natural site characteristics, more economical and stable development and variations in sighting, land use and types of dwellings and commercial buildings, thereby promoting the public health, safety, welfare, and morals. Tonight is the plan commission's first opportunity to review the concept, hear from the applicant, provide feedback, and develoning process. This is just a preliminary discussion as to the scope and nature of the proposed development and to consider alternative solutions to the development of a given area if desired. If the U plan commission acts to approve the pre-etition, the applicant would then be able to submit a full proposal which would include a significant amount of detail not included in the pre-etition submitt such as landscaping, architectural, and engineering plans. Um the in terms of next steps um if the plan commission votes in favor um this evening, the first step would be the applicants would submit a full proposal. Um so there'd be a lot more detail as I mentioned. Then um the um that proposal would go to our village board who would refer the application to both our architectural review commission as well as our plan commission. That meeting is tenatively scheduled for August 18th. So those of you interested maybe mark that date down. We also during that meeting are planning to spend a lot of time really focusing on um some potential

land um changes in terms of curbline locations and such as well as um the public improvements considered as part of the development. Um the architectural review commission meeting and plan commission meetings will be posted um on our village website. So just keep watching that if you're interested in attending those meetings. And then the last step will be a public hearing in action by the village board. Um and as part of that process, that's when we'll mail letters to all the properties within 500 feet of the proposed development. Um and we'll also post that information on the website as well. Um so with that, unless you have the plan commission has any questions about their role this evening, um I would invite the petitioner to come forward and to speak to what um their resoning request. And then followed um we'll have Grafee who is our plan commission representative um will be speaking and then we have Clark Deetsz here who serves as our village engineer who will be presenting their review of the submitt um from the vill's perspective. Does the plan commission have any questions for me or the village attorney before we start the presentation? Yeah, just and uh the village attorney and I had a conversation before this and and maybe you could chime in briefly about um what what we can and what we're doing here today versus what we're not doing here and what we uh can talk about the details or not talk about the details. Uh well, we of course mention them. It's just um that that's you know what what is your perspective on how detailed this planned commission meeting should go?

Well, generally this is this is a smell test. Um, it's a question of whether this thing can move forward. Um, or whether you think it just smells so bad that it can't and shouldn't. Um, and what things you would want to see changed in it to make it palatable. Um, and then to suggest suggest that and move it forward with that recommendation. If you vote against it, um, it cannot be brought back.

Okay? In other words, it can be brought back perhaps in a slightly different form because it doesn't prohibit resubmitting within one year or two years, which sometimes is in a code that's not in our code. Instead, it just says that that the the proposal dies at that point, but there's nothing in the code that says you can't try again. So, you you're going to make suggestions. You know, the original prepetitions in many cases uh occur as just a a meeting that's subject to open meetings laws of course, but that's in the office with with the door open and some discussion of what what do you think? Would you approve this? Can can we go forward? And then from that you have this meeting and saying we have sure

we didn't do that extra layer although there certainly were communications between the village and and the petitioner as to what the general intent was. So that that being said, yes, you can get into some detail only to the extent you're saying I can't vote for this, but I could if you did this. Does that make sense? Okay. But Chris, can we ask questions though? Yes, absolutely. Okay. For clarification for them to consider. That's the style of this meeting that is intended by the the It should be noted that we have two other PDDs in the village limits and we were having conversation that Jane was at the meeting uh for the JCC. Yes. And Wow. Both and me and Mark

and me. That's amazing. I thought we were conspiracy this but and we've amended that PED a couple of times since then, too. So, we've been through this process. All right, I guess I I'm the rookie here. All right, why don't we have uh the two of you come up and maybe sit here and do we have a mouse to give them or the three or whoever is going to join us up here? And while we can totally hear you, there are people on the Zoom here. So, if you can speak into the microphone, that would be helpful. Hello. Welcome. Of course. Can you hear me? Yeah.

Wonderful. Thank you. Um, I'm Nick Baliseri. Um, third generation grosser. Um, and I'm excited to be here before you guys today. Um, as you know, we've we've submitted our our uh pre plan commission package and we're excited to be here today to talk about it. Ryan is our architect. He's been an architect for the last I don't know 10 stores and um so he's got a a a more detailed presentation pretty pictures to show and stuff like that. Um I just wanted to briefly just touch on because we had Ryan and I had an interesting conversation earlier in regard to the history of this property. Um my grandfather and his four brothers actually purchased it uh in the late 40s um and built the original building on the property uh which the Sendix there opened in 1949 uh next door was an A&P grocery store and so they just had this little produce stand that was that was a part of that building just a little sliver on the east side of it. Um and over the years um there was expanded on numerous numerous occasions and it's been interesting because of you know of what they've had to work with with the village

um to be able to do those different expansions. One of them was actually to move um to to reroute uh the street to the to the west of the store. So um it's interesting we have pictures of that. It's pretty cool with my with my dad and his brother with their suits on and their fly collars um back in the 1970s. I think that was and um with you know shovels in the ground starting that that project. So it's pretty interesting and I'm excited to be here now before you uh and take the torch from the older generations and hopefully expand on this property even more. Um so um it uh without further ado then I'll let I'll let Ryan start with our presentation and and um hopefully uh it covers everything but we we're here to answer every question possible. We've put a lot of thought into this plan. We've been wanting to do this expansion for as long as I've been alive. Um my father was trying to do this for years and years and years. He passed away unfortunately a couple years ago and um I think he'd be super excited to see these plans that we've come up with right now. So, um hopefully uh hopefully you guys like it as much as we do.

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My name is Ryan Thomas from Madison Maher Architects. Um, very happy to be here. Thank you uh for allowing us to present this. Our team uh for this project is MSI General Corporation for the construction. Um and we also have done uh some work with uh uh the village engineer and uh Tatty uh which is uh traffic study. I really appreciate the help of the I just want to get the zoom stuff out of the way

so everybody can see the full There we go. I keep appreciate the help of the village uh uh planner and the village engineer through a couple months of uh uh refinement and conversation. All good conversation so that we could present this to you today. First slide I'm going to show you is um just uh the sort of the bird's eyee view of the whole property. This basically shows uh in the middle. I'll try and point to it. Actually point right there is where the property is. It's on the corner of uh East Silver Spring and uh North Lake Tribe. That's where the current store is. And uh there's also a uh former um corporate office building that's on that corner. This this drawing uh is to show the sort of the ab budding uh businesses uh and uses around the property. The next slide is just to show uh about the 500 ft um area uh from the center of the from the edges of the property and to give you a little bit of scale on uh as we do this project. Um there'll be some, you know, road work and construction and certainly these these areas will um uh uh deal with that in a little bit of way, but we hope to move forward with that really fast to lessen the burden. This is the zoning for the property in the middle. It's currently zoned under the village district and there's a piece of the parking lot that's zoned for parking, but it's surrounded by other PUDs. Uh there's some other public uh

parking areas and there's some community buildings like churches and uh schools. this uh particular uh this is the existing site plan that shows the existing building uh in this location and uh the other building that's on North Lake Drive where the former corporate office was and it shows the outline of our current property. Um there's one other neighbor here that's the Masonic Lodge and then uh it just shows where the entrance and exits are currently. These are some pictures of the existing conditions of the streets. This picture on uh right here shows uh looking uh east on Silver Spring. This one's looking south on North Lake Drive from the corner. And this is looking directly west from that same corner along Bowmont. I showed these per for perspective because our plan includes uh uh streetscaping and curb replacement uh for all four sides of this uh particular uh property uh just because there's been a lot of uh repair over the years and uh we really want it to shine uh when the new project is complete. These are some uh notes that are, you know, purely for the the program right now. Um we're proposing that it would be a grocery store on the first floor with some hospitality and uses on the second floor along with employee workspaces and storage. Uh it's zoned as it's going to be zoned as a PUD. Uh it's going to be a two-story building. um about 36,000 square feet on the first floor and about 38,000 square feet on the second floor.

Buildings about 37 feet high on average for the two-story building, but there's some entrances uh that are a little bit taller at 43. And there's some screening uh and a rooftop stairc staircase to the rooftop on the North Lake Drive that's about at 45 ft. From a parking perspective, uh the total parking stalls in uh the existing lots are 145 spaces. That was currently for the grocery store and for the former office use. The parking stalls uh we we've uh had SEX look into uh recording how many parking stalls are being used on a regular basis. uh so that you can understand um they kept track in June and July and we averaged uh the peak times uh that show basically three peak times and the square the stalls that are taken during those peak times. It's also to note that there are times when the parking lot is a little bit fuller and it's uh due to a lot of the nearby businesses uh that used the lot as well as for community functions. Total stalls uh the total stalls that we're providing for uh that are required for the um first floor would be uh the 94 and the second floor would be 60 uh 64 that's a total of I can't read that number sorry

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155 sorry uh it was a lot brighter on my computer screen uh the total provided is uh one uh I believe 87 and And that includes uh 119 in the parking lot and 68 on the off streetet parking and adjacent spaces. The project timeline would be to start Nick always says right after Christmas um but uh reality is uh January uh early January and finish in early uh middle of the June. So it's a tight uh construction schedule. Um that's important because the store is going to remain open uh while under construction and uh basically we want to provide uh the least disturbance to the area as possible. Um the sequencing of construction would be that uh the existing uh uh corporate uh office building on North Lake Drive would be taken down and the building would be built in that location and then uh when it was complete the existing grocery store would come down and a parking lot would be built where that building is currently. Once again, it's important to remember that uh Sendex wants to stay open through construction and uh they are uh they understand uh basically that um um that's going to be a special commitment for the construction company to be organized properly. So, this proposal also includes, like I said before, reconstruction of the streetscaping along uh East Silver Spring Drive and North Lake Drive and the reconfiguration of some of the other streets that I'll show in the slide, the next slide, so I'll skip right to it because I'm kind of talking about it. So, we looked at a lot of uh locations

for the building. Um, and it had to do with uh uh some to do with timing and otherwise, but the building uh is going to be proposed for the along North Lake Drive. And that allows basically for um the parking lot to be reconfigured into a very uh easy to understand uh parking lot that's right out in front of the store. Right now, the parking lot's sort of broken into three different spots, and it's not very convenient for customers. There's two uh entrance and exits to the uh parking lot in this location. One on council and one on Bowmont. Other things that we're uh uh that are very important to this project is a signal light at the corner of council and uh Silver Spring along with some reconfiguration or straightening out of council to the road to the south. This will basically help control traffic along Silver Spring, keep things moving from uh Lake Drive and allow customers that come uh from the main entrance, which we believe is this this one in this location right there. We believe that's the main location that most people would come in. Um and uh that allows the traffic flow to work really well um along Silver Spring up up in this corner or down on this road. is also important. There's a median that we would be proposing that uh goes basically across um uh across this area and allows for just a right turn in and a right turn out from Hollywood. It allows for safer pedestrian crossing from the south side of the property to the north side of the property and from uh there's parking lots that are this way too. Any community parking lots or just coming from the community from the south in general. Can I ask um in the packet information that we received?

Yep. Page 11, it does not have that median, but you are now submitting that you want a media or you're proposing a median there. We correct. Um we had uh we had some in house meeting and uh we got the feeling that that would be something we wanted to propose for this meeting. So yes, we are proposing that. Okay. So note that what is in our packet is different from what they're suggesting. Is that though in the print out from today? I brought the the packet that we have today. It's in there. Correct. Make sure there was no confusion. Official.

Yes. The idea the idea here is to uh you know have the look feel and sort of the the the safety of um the corridor along Silver Spring very similar to what's happening further west and kind of bringing this idea down here to control traffic that is coming off of uh Lake Drive and traffic that's moving basically east and west on west on Silver Spring. Yeah, that adjustment was made in consultation with our village engineer as well as village staff um feeling like that would be the most safe option um based on the recommendations as well as discussions with the village board.

So, additionally, now that I'm study studying your submission versus what's on the screen, um there are three parking spots on the north in your submission, but not on this page. with what what controls now are we are you are you trying to just say the presentation is what you're submitting or what was submitted earlier everything that deals with this was through working with the village directly the village engineer um and it is what we were presenting tonight as official

the the precipitate is the most upto-ate what's what's unique about the sendex development is I would say typically a pre-etition meeting would be months before a full submitt Um what's unique is the the pace that Sendix is working at where that full submitt we anticipate coming in a few weeks after this meeting and so there's been discussions with staff and changes that have happened through that process. So anytime you see changes I would revert to the presentation. That's fair.

I will point out the next change that's slightly different uh as long as we're in talking about differences. Um and I apologize. Uh, I could have said that at the beginning, but I wanted to make sure the village said it, too, because we did talk directly with the village and the village engineer. There's a um there was a concern um about crossing the street up at the corner of North Lake Drive in Bumont and uh we have in our designs uh and it was supported by the traffic study that uh these curbs would bump out and this would give a safer crossing here at that location as well. So, I believe that that is slightly different than what we submit as well. So, there's two two spots that, you know, pedestrian safety was uh looked at one more time before this presentation.

I think that one's in there, actually. Okay.

Uh uh as far as the site plan design, uh I said there's a along this edge, uh there's new curbing and streetscaping. Along this edge, there's new curbing and streetscaping. along Bumont. Uh it's uh there's reconfiguration and additional parking added on Bumont with uh taking out the parallel parking and putting in uh uh diagonal parking in here. And then there's adding stop signs to this corner to make this a four-way stop instead of a two-way stop. And then there's adding an additional cross uh pedestrian cross path at this intersection. There's currently a sidewalk that aligns on the south side of the west property and our sidewalk aligns on the north side of this property. So there would be pedestrian walking paths on both sides of of that intersection. And then our parking lot, you know, has is just uh uh one large parking lot and then there's some parking along here. There's a covered loading dock uh back here and covered indoor uh dumpster enclosure back there. This is the same drawing, but it shows the concept landscape plan. So, there's additional landscaping on this island, but uh we were not suggesting this island be as wide as the island uh further west uh where it has like full trees in it. Uh this would be a little bit narrower island that would have just lower uh shrubs and bushes in it. I'm sorry. Where which island are you talking?

The median. Okay, thank you.

The Yeah, the the reference for the median is the median that's further west on Silver Spring and it's wider and it has full trees in it where this one would be narrower and have lower planted landscaping in it. On the corner there would be a rebuilt uh um monument wall with the White Fish Bay logo on it. On the west side, there would be a new monument wall with the Sendex logo on it. There'd be additional there'd be a uh 4ft fence that would go around the parking with a landscaping in front of it. Uh this would help basically make it more secure for people that are using the store and people also that uh sometimes park here and try and cut across traffic. So, it really directs any traffic to the medians that would be using that parking lot. Up here, there's a couple extra landscaped areas. And there's a couple landscaped areas up here. That's what basically this this says. And then it's also noted that the trees on both of these would be realigned to be on 50-ft centers. They're kind of like um they come and they go the trees. So we thought as a beautifification thing that it could all be at 50oot centers along there and it works out. So those would be removed and replaced as part of this project.

The the ones on the south or uh Silver Spring North Lake tribe. I I can't remember if there are trees in the lake side. There's like two and they're kind of scrawny and they're randomly placed. Four. Yes. Now, now there's at least four on there and they're on 50 foot centers. So, okay.

From a landscape standpoint, that's that's sort of what we're describing here. These are the floor plans briefly uh just to understand uh what's behind some of the glass. There's a lot of glass on this building, but I think uh there'll be plenty of things on the first floor to look into. On the this would be north is to the right. So, this is the south corner. North Lake Drive is here. Silver Spring is here. So, on that corner, all the uh service departments would be down there. The produce uh sweets, bakery, deli, and the home department. And on this side would be the general grocery and the freezer. uh the frozen and the the liquor department. And then along the back is some receiving and then the loading dock. And right in that corner is the dumpster. On the second floor, uh there's storage and back of house receiving. There's employee uh departments for prep. And then on this side of the second floor, there's some community spaces. There's a coffee bar and prepared foods little area with some seating. And there's an outdoor seating area on this uh south west corner of the building. I just wanted to note that uh there's a large open to below area uh planned for the middle of the store. This is just a brief uh description of the materials for the building. uh due to the timeline of the construction and the uh and the the the uh building would be a pre-cast building with a a brick uh veneer on it uh real real uh clay brick and in utility size. So when it's finished, it'll look very very nice and uh but when they they tilt it up, it's kind of just done and then

they keep moving. So it really helps with uh staging and construction. Um there's red, there's a charcoal, and there's a cream. That's there's variety of locations where this uh these colors start and stop. Uh and then the other pictures on here are the decorative canopies with standing seam. Uh some of these sort of roof blades that are this uh composite metal panel. Uh there's some buff colored pre-cast on the lower lower areas and then there's some colored pre-cast uh uh ees ephus on the cornises on these two tall places. So those are two colors of that and then the glass would mostly be clear glass uh uh to let as much light and vision into the building. uh you can kind of tell that there's some areas where uh it looks like it's frosted glass and that would just be uh uh to hide structure or some other things. So that would be the intent. So finally to the pretty picture. This is a this is an overall view of the property. This is uh Silver Spring and North Lake Drive. This is the median that we're talking about with the extended corners, pavers, landscaping, and uh slow, you know, to slow traffic down and to control people coming from North Hollywood and trying to cut across um or people stopping there to turn on North Hollywood. So, it helps keep the flow of traffic moving along Silver Spring and uh um it actually, you know, sets up lots of additional landscaping in front of the Sendex. Can you point out the entrance?

The ent the entrance to the building is centered on the parking lot. Um that's the that's the entrance there on the right hand side and the exit is like 30 ft over on the left hand side. So the primary primary entrances are right there underneath the send sign. This is a view at street level uh looking across the street to the north across this pedestrian walkway uh showing landscaping curbing and uh uh you know it there's some of the fencing here and there's holes in the fencing and then this is the outdoor uh second floor outdoor uh space. This is a view from the corner. Uh the replaced uh monument wall and then uh the glass that looks into the service uh uh part of the store uh canopies and then there's large glass openings for the uh from viewing to and from the uh second floor space. This is a perspective looking uh south from the northeast corner and uh this shows basically um the how the building is broken up uh when it gets to back into the storage and production area. Um there's pilasters and and horizontal banding. And there's glass that are uh for the stair towers. And there's um some ivy walls that grow uh can grow on on this largest section here. And you can kind of see how uh these corners will bump out into the street to allow for easier crossing of the road in

these two locations. Is that considered a employee entrance there on the right hand side? This is an employee entrance, but it's mostly for um deliveries. Um they it goes right into the receiving area. So I don't the employees um I don't know if the employees will actually use that one. They'll probably come in the front door, but uh there'll be people that uh service the building that would come in that door.

Thank you. Thank you for letting us present. I believe this represents, you know, um what the goals of uh when we looked at this all these years ago, what the goals of the district is uh to basically uh allow Synex to um grow and thrive and and have a great uh a great project here and a great business that they already have. just keep improving it and improve the area and create a uh a central hub to this end of the district. So, thank you for your consideration.

So, we have would you like to get through? So, we we have a presentation from a brief presentation from Tatty just a highle overview about the study they completed and then we have our planning review as well as our engineering review. Comment would come at the end. That would be my recommendation. Actually the first thing though is um the plan commissioners have any questions in this presentation? Probably a lot but wow maybe you'll wait until we can always ask other questions when you know you sit down is not not required under the statute or anything. It'll be required. There will be a public hearing right later in the process. Um, but I I just want to clarify that it's not it's not

Why don't we save uh commission questions uh until we get all the the folks. So, Tatty's next. Well, and honestly, since since you guys had this presentation ahead of time or or the original submitt, um Ryan purposely kept his presentation today short knowing that great, you know, really short is always better. Well, and hopefully, you know, hopefully we're here to answer every question possible and so hopefully we can answer everything and and make everybody feel good about it.

Great. John Berts from Traffic Analysis Designer TDY, we completed the traffic study. We did actually in two parts. Uh we did the first study back in December which was a full-fledged study of the area and we kind of fine-tuned it again in May looking at kind of specific hotspots or key locations where people had questions and concerns about everything Ryan presented was true as far as what our recommendations were. One thing he did not hit on was the new traffic signalization of Silver Spring and Council. that intersection with the development and with the driver reconfiguration does meet warrants for traffic signalation based on DOT county and municipal standards. So from a safety standpoint we are recommending signalizing an intersection and they'll be tied in with Lake Drive as far as the signal coordination and timings goes. So they'll be in coordination or in sync with one another so we keep traffic flowing through on Silver Spring as well. Another common concern was what about traffic cues on Silver Spring when the light turns red parts traffic back up so on so forth. We looked at that in detail and the for the westbound direction on Silver Spring at council looking at cues of about 150 ft or about six or seven cars. In other words, it still would allow traffic to enter and exit off of Hollywood. Also the queue going eastbound at Lake Drive on Silver Spring. We're looking at cues kind of currently what is today about 350 ft. Quite extensive but does not extend past or beyond council. So everything is manageable and easy to work with within this area. It's just getting those signals in coordination with one another talking to each other over spring.

What exactly is a queue? Is it just I'm sorry. Q is how far traffic backs up when the light is red. Lights red stack up. Three in the morning, Q is zero. Yep. Exactly. Right. Okay.

So, we did look at quite a bit of parking as far as parking demand study, parking impacts, and does the site provide enough parking for the new development. We found that it does meet the standards based on national and local standards. With the new parking being proposed, keep in mind that other businesses do use a SEX parking lot. So, we took that in account as well um as part of our study. did look at on street parking on Baymont as far as it relates to angle parking on that street. In other words, can that street handle those types of parking maneuvers with the current volume on Baymont? We took a look at several examples done throughout the state, Wisconsin, Dells, Middleton where volumes were higher than they are in Vulmont with sided angle department and those work fine from a safety and operation standpoint. So, any questions on traffic or details? want to do a quick quick overview on that and kind of dive more details. But

I have a quick just a quick question on that. On the um entry from Consuel on the west side, that's going to be a main entrance, but it also is adjacent to a loading dock. Is that going to be an issue? Correct. We looked at that. We did our traffic counts and traffic studies out there. It will not primarily because when that loading dock is used, it's typically used during the off peak hours. In other words, the non- busy hours. Okay. So, not any conflict with what SX traffic has. So, the intersection of Lake Drive and Silver Spring. Mhm.

Uh this is an area where since we reconstructed, we have received some public concerns about current delays and and and traffic flow at that intersection. As as I'm looking at at the diagram, um it appears Silver Spring will be narrower than it is currently because you're extending curbing adjacent to the building on the north side. Uh it doesn't say how far. I'm assuming it's about four feet to make meet the setback. Is that right? So about four feet. So the road will be four feet narrower. Okay. We have three new parking spots on on the south side right across from that. Right. We have the median which now has brought us down to one lane in either direction. Correct.

Along the med people are trying to turn left. Mhm. So So that has to cause backups in in terms queuing that are in addition to what we are right now because currently you can get around them. It's wide enough for two cars to go past someone who's turning left. Yeah. That doesn't seem to that that would be the case in in the future.

Correct. The queueing or the traffic backup will be longer with sendex new development plan in place but it won't be substantially longer where it's going to block council or extend past beyond that. Currently those queues are around 325 330 ft. Other words about 12 cars stack up there. So with everything in place it extend out to about 16 cars or 18 cars. So there would be an increase in queuing. Correct. But the benefit of of signalizing at council is we can kind of manage those cues. In other words, we can have as you go eastbound at Silver Spring, council will be read, hold that queue back there while the queue at Lake Drive is extinguishing so we can better monitor that eastbound traffic with the two signals in operation.

Yeah, thank you for for clarifying that for me. Um, you know, I I I mentioned that as a concern, but but there are there are pros. I just want to point out that there are pros to this where eliminating that that entrance into the parking lot off of Silver Spring uh and the exit onto Lake Drive uh will improve safety and traffic flow. Oh, definitely. I certainly agree with that. Exactly. Uh and and having that median also to limit turns off of Hollywood uh whereas now you're more limited in your your ability to travel will also improve safety. So So there's a balance here we're trying to find. Yep. Exactly. Um can I just clarify one thing with that?

Um in front of Winkies there that that curb has already been extended as as you're aware um on So there's no proposed change right there on the opposite side of the street on our corner. We are pulling that curb out. We're proposing you know about four feet like you said. Uh that's currently right now a really strange area because as you're turning off of Lake Drive onto Silver Spring, when you're turning right right there, there's kind of a it's kind of like a its own lane. And um because of that, it becomes a little bit dangerous because people that are turning off of that are kind of merging into traffic that's coming

off of Lake Drive or that's turning left from Marlboro. Um, and that was helpful to have that lane because we had that major entrance into our property right there. Uh, now with that entrance gone, uh, that turn lane's not needed. So, that was really the only change. The width of the of the traffic on Lake Drive, uh, we're not suggesting a change. So, if two cars can pass each other right now, and I can't I don't recall if they can, if somebody's turning left, if there's enough room for somebody to get through, that's that's not changing. Good luck

because the four feet would just come off the other side of the the north lane of that street is what you're saying. Yeah, it doesn't change. It wouldn't affect the south lanes. Okay. Thank you. Can you help us to picture what the backups you're describing look like? If you're on this block um from Winky's West, what does a stack of 12 or 16 cars look like? Is that whole block? Is it more than the whole block if you're on Surra going eastbound?

Currently, um that queue is about 350 ft in distance- wise. As far as car-wise, typically one car is 25 to 20 ft. So when we say 300 feet, that's really about uh 12 cars stacked up. Sometimes 15 12 to 15. When does this occur? I mean, you know, these cues, that's the like the the worst case scenarios.

Correct. Good point. Yep. So we looked at the morning peak hour, evening peak hour, and Saturday peak hour. The busiest rush hour time frames, basically morning evening, and Saturday midday being SEX busiest time frames. Looking at the worst case hours of the week. So we say maximum Q, that's really the maximum Q that occurs for all hours. So it's a worst case condition. So when we do our designs for looking at traffic signals and spacing, we're looking at that worst case scenario. In this case, we're looking at that maximum queue like I mentioned 340 350 ft. So when we look at the full buildout with SEX in place and signalizing council, there's 450 ft of spacing between Lake Drive and Council. So far the 350 road from that. So

thank you. Um the one of the concerns that was voiced by village staff but also to a certain extent other members of the village board um was the fact that we're going from six different entrances of to Sendex down to two. Um and and that's why a thought came in and and the memo that you created basically analyzed the concept of having an extra entrance on Silver Spring. That's actually why the median was created there. Firstly to you know stop people from taking left turns but uh secondly to create a the pedestrian refuge. Um, so I' I've been looking at your memo and it basically talks about two major problems with creating an entrance on Silver Spring. The the first is that it would remove X number of parking spots. It's not exactly um specific on how many parking spots it would remove, but of course um that's something that would have it's kind of a given like we we know that that's the case. The other was that it adds a conflict point. And so we're we're going from six conflict points down to two or with an entrance on Silver Spring being a third conflict point and and basically saying well it would be safer, right? That you don't have that extra conflict point. My question to you is about how much safer what what what is the what's the math behind two conflict points versus three conflict points? and and the fact that that is the lynch pin if anybody read through the memo and maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but if there is an entrance there, then there doesn't need to be signalization on the uh console

intersection. Is that that's correct? Yeah. So, if we back up and put an access at Hollywood, remove the medium we talked about, that goes away. assume it's a full access to Hollywood for Sendex. That would

that would remove the traffic signals at council because the volumes do not be high enough at council to justify legally to install a traffic signal at that location. So if that were the case, we'd have two driveways being accessed without signals basically across from Hollywood's a full access and then also uh a council as well. By doing that, what it does, it creates traffic delays. In other words, it's going to be very hard for be people to turn left out of Sendex to go westbound on Silver Spring. As you go southbound, exiting Sendex to go left westbound Silver Spring without traffic signals, it's going to be very hard to do that, especially during the peak hours. That's where the safety issue comes in. So, by signalizing that left turn out, if you're going southbound on Council, turn left to a westbound on Silver Spring. with that being signalized as much safer movement. As far as from a conflict standpoint, the less driveways the better from a safety standpoint because we have less vehicles turning in front of us, less vehicles turning left or right in front of us, less chances of crashes. As far as what's that percent magnitude, it depends on the volume of turns. There's a lot of other factors that go into it. I can come back later and give you that data if you like it to see that. But from a general standpoint, the less conf the less driveways, the less conflict points, the safer the condition.

And and that's understandable. Um I I I want to go back because I I wasn't quite sure where you were going with that in that the um what has been suggested is another entrance on Silver Spring. That is that where you would be prevented from taking any kind of left turns either east. Yeah. Going eastbound. You can't take a left turn. You can't take a left turn coming out of the the uh parking lot. It's right in right out if that were the case. Right. If it's right in right out across from Hollywood from Sendex, it would still the volumes that count. So also be not high enough to justify legally to put in a signal. Okay. So it erases the need for a traffic signal essentially. So,

I mean that, you know, I I'm I'm belaboring this point because um adding another signal to Silver Spring is has a a large impact on um not just the Sendex area, but all of the traffic that flows through Silver Spring, all of the residents that uh need to deal with that intersection. And and so I I'm I'm doing a little push back on the concept of not having that entrance on Silver Spring, which eliminates the signalization. And quite frankly, from a guy who drives around and uses parking lot perspective, um having a third entrance is is more desirable as a as a consumer. Now, other people may not care, but um I I would reference a particular uh it's local but not in Wayfish Bay, a parking lot uh from a a major um big box store that has a really challenging parking lot that people complain about a lot. We've got some giggles in the background. Um, a and and I look at this parking uh lot version one that you've created and think it has some similarities to that. So part of the process that I want as a village is that we're also trying to get to a better product. Um, so that's why I'm belaboring this. That's why I'm I'm I'm very interested in seeing plans that have a entrance on Silver Spring. Um, I get it. you'll lose nine, 10, 12. I'm not sure how many parking spots. Um, but that's that's personally important to me and I'm I'm not sure what the rest of the commission thinks of it.

I' I'd love to just Sure. chime in on it. So, I'm the one that closed that uh entrance to the lot. Okay.

To have a business owner close those entrances to your lot, I think speaks volumes. Um, I worked at that store um for 18 hours a day for 15 years uh before we started opening other locations and and and I had to start spreading my time out. I'm intimately familiar with that block and those streets cuz I was on them all the time. Um, it's dangerous all the different six entry and entrance points. I think it's important to to say well yeah there may be six points of ingress and egress but several of them are one way and several se one of them is usually blocked by our semi-truckss and almost never usable. So I think to say that there's six currently yes on paper there are if you were to really look at it it's not six. Um the ones on on Bulmont are both one way. The one off of our front parking lot is a one is exit only. Uh the alleyway is a disaster behind our store being able to enter and exit from there. Um the one that uh that's on Lake Drive is a right turn only uh in and a right turn only out. Most people don't follow it, but that's what the sign says. Um and then the one on on Silver Spring Drive, quite honestly, is a death trap. Um, I've used that exit out of our parking lot on numerous occasions to take a right turn out of it. You're so worried about somebody coming off of Lake Drive making that right turn at the stop light where it's just I think a yield uh that it's it's dangerous. If you're trying to turn left, you're trying to watch traffic at a light that's very close that you're very close to and you're trying to watch traffic to the right and at what point in time are you watching for pedestrians? So for me when I was designing this uh

when I was designing the entire site um I looked at not just what I thought was right for Sendix but I also looked at what I thought was right for the village and what I thought was right for the residents of the village. Uh for me it's important that it's safe. Um for me it's also important for me.

Yes. I'm obviously and I and I and I know and I know that and I I bet you everybody in the room would agree. Um, but I think it also is logical. It makes the most sense. Right now, there's lots of our areas of our parking lot that are one way only. People don't know, so then they start driving down the parking lot in the wrong direction. Um, there's so many entrances and exits that are one way only. Those are all confusing. This parking lot is very, very simple. Two points of egress. Both spots have what I would call um some some room to to move where you turn into the lot and you're not immediately near a front door. So if we that was one of my other concerns if we put that entrance off of Silver Spring Drive with people whipping around that corner because they're because they're moving fast and they turn in quickly. Our front door is not very far away from that. So that was a concern of mine as well. But I think logically the flow of the parking lot makes a lot of sense. Makes it really easy to find a spot. Definitely a huge improvement over what it is today, but I think it makes it extremely pedestrian friendly. And I think that the overall look of doing it with doing with realigning the trees that we're talking about, redoing the street, streetscape, adding the median brings a lot of the look and feel that I think that the the master plan for the business district in Whitefish Bay was was looking for uh because it really beautifies the area and brings it up to par with I think what's happening further west on Silver Spring Drive. If I could add to that from a traffic signal standpoint, Julie, there is a benefit for the signals. Obviously, it creates what we call gaps in traffic when both lights are red at both council and lake drive marble. Creates gaps for Hollywood traffic and pedestrians cross more safer. Also, we have signalized pedestrian crossings now at council as well. So, we can cross pedestrians much safer at a signalized intersection. So, there are a lot of safety benefits of that signalization as well. When I reviewed the plans, I saw the

signalization at console diversity as a major plus as someone who crosses Silver Spring

almost daily uh every other day at the least frequent. It's a very challenging intersection. It's the spot I feel the least safe in Whitefish Bay trying to cross. Cars coming eastbound on Silver Spring are going too fast. cars coming westbound are just turning that corner or reacting to their signal. And in the time that you wait, you don't have great vision in either direction. If you have the street activation we'd like to see on Silver Spring, pedestrians come, pedestrians come, they take, you know, priority and you can wait for a long time and you can also pull out and be less than confident what exactly you're going to see, particularly from the eastbound traffic on Silver Spring if you're crossing going north. So, um, in my experience, I looked at this and thought, "Wow, great. Yes, please." I ditto. I felt exactly the same way. Yeah.

I felt it was a necessary part of the overall plan. Um and and I'll tell you that that if you're ever trying to turn east onto Silver Spring off of off off a council when you're going south in council, the sight lines there are horrible. You can't see traffic coming along there and you have to sort of take your chance and and creeping out to see if there's someone coming so you make that turn. Blocking the crosswalk and blocking the crosswalk and and you know, I've seen cars have to back up there because traffic was coming, they couldn't see. I I think there's a number of reasons why that that it's a there's some benefits to to doing it that offsets some of the um the negatives.

Yeah. No, no doubt. And I'm I'm not, you know, proposing leaving everything the same and not signalizing. Um the the the theory in the in the beginning was to have a median all the way from uh perhaps what is that diversity or even before diversity all the way to console or maybe even continuing down the entire stretch of silver spring like it is in front of the Fox Bay Theater which that that particular it's not it I guess it is an intersection it's that and um Berkeley Berkeley

um where that is probably one of our the best areas to cross Silver Spring, right? Because you you you have a refuge, you have to make it about 10 feet and then you've got an island and then another 10 feet. And I've always kind of that was my thought was what we would do in front of Sendex is to have um a a wider median the whole length and and indeed it would slow down traffic just as much as the one at Berkeley would, right? And somehow we we manage with that. Um, so my but you know my my my point being that there are maximum safety ways of doing things. Sorry I should look this way too. Um, and and we are clearly going to massively improve that area. Um, are we going to improve it 100% or 90 or 80? I think is up to discussion. That's all

any just to clarify on the traffic counts legally justifying the signal. Do you mean we would not as a village be allowed to put a signal at diversity council on Silver Spring if there was also an entrance to the Sendex parking lot on Silver Spring. Correct. Yes. We're not allowed to. Legally, you're not allowed to. Correct. Volumes have to meet a certain threshold above that threshold. Okay. Saw the signal. It's kind of one or the other. Yep. This whole time the neighbors fun. Yeah. That's crazy. Um Okay. Uh what was there another part of

Yep. So the next two presenters did their review on behalf of the village. So if we were a larger organization, we would have a full-time planner. We'd have a full-time village engineer and they would be presenting now. And so instead in a community our size, we contract out for that service. but they're really wearing their village of Whitefish Bay hats when they do their review. Um, so the first is uh Craig Hunner uh with Grafee who will be presenting um from like a planning perspective.

Great. Thank you. Yep. Craig Hner with Grafe. Grafe is serving as your extension of planning staff. So we are primarily looking at what the PTED is, what you as a village have the powers to do. What does your current zoning say and how does this proposed submittal either align with that or propose what's called deviations? That's a kind of a key term with a plan development. An application is allowed deviations from your base zoning. So, it basically is creating a new zoning district that if you as a village agree to what's submitted, uh that that is what would become codified in your zoning that would rule for this site. Um, in the agenda packet that anyone can look at um, online, there is a memo from Grafe. Um, it's 19 pages. I'm not going to go over that, but what I would point to you as plan commissioners is throughout that report, there's bold underlined statements uh, in italis italics that reference plan commission shall discuss. And I just wanted to highlight some of those uh, big things. Those were areas where um we felt as your planning staff would warrant discussion based off of maybe um would be deviations from your base zoning district. Um the first one on page uh nine of the memo discusses landscaping. Um so the proposed site plan um just from a high level is proposing 94% imperous uh area that is hardscaped that you can't uh it's not green space or uh pvious lands. Uh that actually is a decrease of impervious. So it actually is more parking lots and more building right now. So they're slightly decreasing that. But you as a plan commission as part of this have the authority to look at landscaping and how you want that landscaping design. Um the applicant is proposing uh a series of what I would call perimeter landscaping. So around the outskirts of the entire development um as part of this proposal. Uh but you as a plan commission should

discuss is that meeting the intent of what you want to see uh for this site. Uh another item uh that the applicant went through is parking. Uh so on pages 10 through1 13 um of our uh gra memo we highlight what code requires as well as what the applicant is proposing that they summarized. Um on page 11 of the memo is maybe a good summary table of what existing uh parking is on the site as well as what's proposed. And a key distinction here, your code requires a certain amount of parking uh what's called onsite parking or a parking lot of what's being proposed here. Uh what the applicant is actually proposing is utilizing both off-site parking, the parking lot as well as um or I'm sorry, on-site parking as well as off-site utilizing street parking to meet that code requirement. So, as far as what's proposed, there's 119 spaces that's being proposed as a traditional parking lot within the property itself. And then there's an additional 68 parking stalls approximately on surrounding streets that total again a proposed number of 187 parking stalls that would uh accommodate this site. Your zoning code does allow for an applicant to propose utilization of both on-site and off-site parking, but it's up to them to make the case to prove that uh through a parking study or demand uh that the utilization of on street and off- streetet parking combination would be successful. So, that's something that you as a plan commission uh should ask questions uh of either TDY or the consu uh of the application team to confirm uh that you're comfortable with this proposal. Um some other items on pages 13 and 14 of the Grafe memo, we talk about uh building placement. Um the Silver Spring

Drive district, the base zoning district talks about setbacks of buildings and where buildings should be located. The intent of that Silver Spring Drive business district is really to embrace uh pedestrian friendly uh edges of the streets. So, we talk about not being set back too far from the street, trying to minimize uh parking, but if parking does need to happen, that there's a solid edge landscaping condition, which the applicant is proposing. But that is something to discuss as well as far as building placement um and how that street edge is being uh designed as part of the submitt that you as a plan commission could discuss any um requests for changes there. Uh the final item on pages 14 and 15 talk about architectural design. Again, the Silver Spring Drive business district uh gives regulations for building heights uh for architectural composition. Again, you do have a separate uh review board that will look specifically at the design, but you as a plan commission could give uh guidance or specific items that you want that review uh board to look at as well. The final thing on the final pages of the grave memo are basically a checklist. what the applicant will be required to submit again as the next step of a formal submitt. And the key thing I would say again here are what you as a village are comfortable with deviations or kind of changes from the base Silver Spring Drive uh business district. Whatever the applicant submits again will be codified. So it's up to you as a plan commission to give recommendation to the village board. Are there key things that you want to make sure to see of the applicant uh that either align with your base zoning district or you're open to change? Um so with that, I'll pause there and answer any questions from a planning staff perspective.

I guess I have a question. Um were there water and uh sewer and storm water runoff considerations or is that coming up at a later point? Yeah. So, your village engineer uh will be able to speak to that after this, but it is something uh that will be required as part of a formal submitt uh to look at as part of this utility infrastructure design.

And of the 68 places uh uh parking spaces that would be on streets, what streets were they considering? So the board streets, it's all four that surround there that were included as far as uh my understanding of the applicants in the middle on Silver Spring Drive, on Lake Drive, on Bulmont Avenue, and on Council Place all have on street parking um that factor into their okay proposal. All right. And the large majority is on Bulmont with the rear that Yeah. And that'll be angle parking. substant drive. Looks like

I guess I I'd like some clarity on on the rules related to parking. I think you indicated that that they could only u that they're required to meet the minimum amount of parking with on-site parking. Um that has not been the practice that this commission has followed. uh and other applications we've allowed consideration of on street parking and and other public lots like Winkies for other usage permits on this very street. So So is there something different about this proposal that that we should be looking at this in a different manner?

So yeah, on page 11 I kind of take out a clip of your section six of your municipal code which is off streetet parking requirements. So according to different land uses, grocery stores, you know, are specifically noted there as well as restaurants and coffee shops, there's x number of spaces required per square footage of of those different uses. That is very specifically off street

uh parking. Now, right after that section, it'll it has a disclaimer and says you as a village have the discretion to consider other things such as shared parking agreements or on readily available on street parking or adjacency to transit or that people are biking or walking. All of that I would say has been discussed by the applicant as well as their traffic uh parking engineer uh to factor into what they're proposing as part of this. So you definitely have the discretion, not unlike your past proposals, to include on street parking as part of this. Thank you. Do you did you want to ask that?

I was just seeking clarification if you were saying in the past we have or have not allowed we have allowed consideration that Yeah. And that's my understanding as well, but I just wanted to make sure I understood. Yeah. Often. Yeah. I think that Sendix and maybe Aurora are the only two businesses on the street that have parking lots. Yeah, Winkies. Well, Winkies is a That's a public lot. See the bank? They have spots behind them. They might They may have four parking spots behind their spots. Yeah, there's behind behind Fitzgerald's too.

Stack them up. that you can do. Are there any other questions for Craig? All right. So, if not, the last presenter um is Mustafa Amir. He is our village engineer and works for Clark Deetsz. So, he'll be um talking through the engineering review. My name I heard my name mentioned many times. Um your memo is last which I I I I wasn't in agreement with. Unlike Craig, uh our memo is only one page because we believe in direct and succinct brevity.

Although in this room um I don't usually practice what I preach. So we looked at uh the preliminary drawings as as uh presented here and um so our perspective is whether this can be done as physically from an engineering standpoint. Um I have to admit um I agree with uh my colleague John over there um who uh has promoted the uh a the signals at council and and and silver spring. Um I do agree that uh the that intersection that area could use a lot of improvement and signals sort of calm things down in general. Um so um from our end our initial comments is that u from the engineering department um we are um um um okay with with that proposal. U we are also um okay with uh the removal of that access point to driveway. Um I do agree with you in in the sense that uh the confusion and and you know let's not forget we have a pedestrian crossing instead of uh the coffee shop going to um just hitting just west of the entrance etc. So in in general we agree with it. We we worked with the applicant and administration to sort of hammer out uh pedestrian bumpouts at each corner that the project touches. Um as you know uh we've had some conversations about the Bowmont

Lake intersection. Um folks um you know crossing the street there. also folks uh making turning movements from Bulmont on the east side, south or north lake drive, so sight lines, etc. So, there's going to be all these um improvements that we we would have loved to have anyways uh in terms of pedest shorter distances for pedestrians. Um, you know, when I heard about the island, uh, the opportunity to replicate, um, the our our our current one sort of made sense to me. It would sort of create a sense of unity, uni, unified sort of look, feel through the corridor. Um, I know somebody was saying that, you know, big trees, well, those trees weren't always big. Um, put them in, they were kind of short and scrawny. another word that used. So anyway, u so u I think that um it or the perimeter notwithstanding Craig's comment about landscaping etc. Um the um we we're from an engineering standpoint um our team has looked at it. We're fine with it. We have one water line crossing sort of uh through the property on the south uh west corner.

Uh we're going to essentially um formalize that through a an easement. Um we had point out pointed out the um counting of the on street off streetet in our memo. So you'll see that there as Craig just um u we looked at uh storm water. We notified the uh the applicant of the requirements that we would impose on them for runoff control. Um Greg also mentioned about imperousness etc. So um that would be that would be the um um general sort of everyday rules that we apply for storm water u more brought up water sewer. So um and fire protection so water to use water to fire protect. So those will come as uh they develop uh their plans. And lastly, if I don't say it, um um I would I'm going to forget. Um John said that we wouldn't be um allowed to put signals at console if uh u there was a driveway. This is our street. We can we can do I mean um we have in fact a tradition of throwing signals on Silver Spring. Um Bay Ridge is only 4 feet from Lidell and we have signals.

So it wouldn't in fact feel weird at all. And we can have both if deliberations, decisions, etc. You just give us the word and it shall be done. Questions? Jane, question on the parking lot. Is there a way that you they could use permeable materials to to avoid um excess runoff?

Um there is going to be a lot of runoff and um I guess ultimately it's their choice. Um it's there it's going it's it's going to be their proposal. Um current thought uh that I'm privy to in meetings etc is that there would be storing uh excess runoff underground anyway. Um so that um you know it would be captured held and slowly released type of thing. So kind of what you're getting at. Okay. But they'll address that in the next goround. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Correct. Great. Yes. And our civil engineers already designed it all.

Yeah. Yes. A pro. Sorry. Yeah. Go ahead, D. Question about the uh like the the bulk of the net increase of on street parking is on Bowmont because of the change to the angled Yeah. Parking. Is that is that street wide enough or angled parking on both sides and then you know that is one of the first things we looked at and yeah it's going to get wider. Okay. So imagine boulevards imagine both sides the curb getting bumped out uh bumped towards the properties. Sure.

Yeah. Anecdotally I have children um have had children that have gone to community preschool which is in the Episcopal church. Yeah. which uses as an entrance the driveway halfway in between Lake and Console on Bumont. And so I think the addition of of parking spots should they be available um during drop off and pickup times will be net beneficial to parents, you know, bringing their kids. Um I would think that. Yep. It's because currently I mean sometimes, you know, you got to use the the slot in the northeast corner. um everybody kids Yeah. moving back and forth. It's not a secret that

that's kind of why this is in the plan is because of community pre preschool but also the church that's on the corner. Is there something and and then businesses across uh Lake Drive also tend to use Sendex parking lot and so this will relieve all of those possibilities. Okay. It's our private public parking lot. Sure. Yeah. Well, thanks for the clarification. Sure. Go ahead, Jane. Oh, um I think in your report too that or your um piece that you presented to us um you had also mentioned um ADA required uh ramps and that'll be addressed in terms of the next goound.

Yes. Whenever we do sidewalks, we as an we we improve and or install ADA ramps as a matter of course. So these the they will be everywhere. Okay.

I I have a broader question and and I'm I'm not even sure who gets to answer this, whether it's you or the village attorney or Kelsey. Um in terms of there's a number of um obviously the majority of the construction is being done on private property, but a lot of the things that have been described today also are on public property. Does it go through the same process that like if we were going to put a a traffic signal wherever we would have a long process? It would go through the public works committee. Um we would have public hearings. We would you know like is do we are we short circuiting any of that or do we do that? Additionally,

it's it's much simpler. You've got to use a a temporary uh temporary easement for construction um which is by agreement. Well, it's not so much the easements. It's it's the actual conversation that we normally would have with like the public works committee where they would evaluate a bumpout or a stop sign, a traffic light, a a speed limit change, etc. Will we be doing that additionally or is it wrapped into this or is it all wrapped up in one big project? That's the all wrapped up.

Sure, I'm happy to answer that. So, it will it will all be wrapped up as part of this project. So the next meeting which is August 18th the plan is to focus it's a required process in the or a required step in the PDDD but most of that presentation will be about the public improvements in the proposed land changes. So Mustafa will be presenting about what those public improvements will entail. So it it as part of this process would not go to public works committee. It would all happen at the village board level. Obviously, you could refer to public works committee if you'd like.

I mean, that this for most of our other projects, um, they're nips and tucks. There's a little sidewalk here and a little crosswalk there. This is major stuff. Um, and I I I I we have a number of people from the public here today. I I have a feeling that a a good chunk of the conversation will be about the private property, but also about the public property, not to mention um the sale of two parcels, two parcels, three parcels, two

of uh public land, not and not to mention that angled parking on Bowmont that you know we a year ago we tried to do some construction on Bowmont and got a lot of push back. So, I'm just I'm trying to figure out exactly how we involve the reg go through the regular processes. I'm I'm more a fan of doing that than um having this all packaged into something that doesn't go through the regular process. But you wanted to say something there. Well, I mean uh last Monday you authorized us to do that design. So in that context we are

yeah the design is one thing it's more getting public input and and right the the but I mean you it's it's officially your job your your project so you know I mean I think there might be a way to inject some of our traditional feedback loops into our process. I mean I don't think that that's a that's an exclusive thing. I I mean I'm going to defer to Kelsey and all of the um coordination matters, but on our end I mean we don't we I mean we work for you. So right

by the time we get to the public hearing full designs will be done October, right? Or pretty close. And so at that point that that is that's the stage the public would typically see them as but that that's really late in the process. That's one of the problems that I'm trying to address. you know,

y in the early conceptual conversations, that's the reason we pulled out those public improvements to August 18th, is recognizing that that would be a piece that the public would be more engaged in wanting um to have feedback in the beginning at the conceptual phase, which would be the August 18th meeting um is the best time to give that input. So, I do I do feel like it's in keeping with our process where we have the conceptual level review and then we'll have the full designs at the end. It's just going to be on a tighter timeline and we have to remember we're not going straight from this meeting to public hearing and adopting no PD. Right. There's going to be steps in between when there's going to be new drafts. There's going to be changes made because people, you know, voice their their opinions.

Well, supposed to start in January, so yeah, there's there's a clock running. Um, all right. We'll figure that out somehow. Uh any other questions for Mustafa? Okay. And then any other questions for anything? I guess we before we go to any kind of public comment. Um I I did have one and that and that is um one thing that wasn't addressed was about when construction is occurring with the new building and the old building is still operational. What's what's the parking situation going to be during that period of during the six months that that's going on? dicey. It's going to be rough.

Yeah, lot of biking. We're we're looking at every option that we have and we're trying to be as creative as we can on how to make that work the best. Whether it's offering, you know, free valet service to park a car in a public lot during that time period, whether it's offering a discount or free Sendex Express deliveries uh to people's homes. um you know it we are going into our slowest time of the year at that time. Um so in that regard it's it's a good thing. Um but it's gonna be it's going to be tough. Not as bad as closing though.

Do do you have I mean we have all these numbers. Do you have numbers as to like how many parking spots will be available at during that period? I'm guessing it's like 20. I would say 30. I was going to guess say 30. 30. Um there there has there was a moment where we talked about somehow doing something with console. Um did that go anywhere where where we would make it one way, block it off, try to increase parking spots there. Did that ever

No, I mean we've kind of floated the idea. I'm sure Sendix would be interested in it, but we haven't discussed it in great detail. So the idea would be a temporary I think you've been in the meetings. Ted certainly has been. So that could be something that we explore further. So the idea would be do we temporarily close council and provide additional parking during this construction period. But that's not part of the the pre-etition. And that's what I was just going to say you're you're at the stage of Yeah. should this go forward or shouldn't it?

Um I think what it should be what the state fair is starting pretty soon and how people sell their lawn parking. I think I think the people of Bowmont and console they should 10 bucks an hour something like that. All right. If there aren't any more I have Yes, sir. Mark,

thank you for asking that because that was one of my questions. Um, I'm I'm trying to get as complete a picture of the the changes that will occur and what impact that will have on parking and and and traffic flow as I can to have a good sniff uh for as Chris has said we need to do. Um, and and so all the projections are based on current use, current traffic flow. I mean, that's what we can do right now. Um, but you're a businessman. you're making a major investment to to bring this proposal forward. Clearly, you must have some projections as to whether this will increase volumes of of customers uh at your store. So, I I want to know what what what you're thinking in terms of what increased volumes we might be seeing uh in the in the future as a result of this. And secondly, really hasn't been much discussion about that second floor. Uh and and um there's a reference to a bar several times. Is this a coffee bar? Is this an actual full-fledged bar? And and and what would the implications that be? Uh and and the retail space, what types of volumes are you seeing there? And what types of uses would that community space have that might bring in more people in a concentrated form? Will there be events, for example, uh in that community space? And finally, the rooftop. So you there's a staircase to the rooftop. What are the plans for the use of the rooftop? So, yes, as a businessman, obviously we we we wouldn't be doing it if we weren't looking at it hopefully an increase in business.

Um, oh my god. Depending on who you ask, you're going to get a different answer. Um, I think probably a 20% increase in business would be appropriate. Um, and I think is is is doable. Um, I think that the current parking field in this new design, I think, um, can handle that. Um, I know that there's a lot of um existing Whitefish Bay clientele, Fox Point clientele that that uh, you know, shops at Whitefish Bay more on a daily basis to get their everyday needs, but then maybe drives to our Mechcoan store because there's significantly more to choose from. So maybe they go to Mechcoan once a week or every other week to get a bigger bulk shop in.

Um, so no, we expect to keep that a lot of that business would stay in the White Bay area and we'd see an increase in in business. Uh oh, here here we go. You asked regard to traffic and parking. We did in show that there would be increase in traffic generation and parking impacts with the expansion. So the traffic study as far as how we generate traffic is based on a square footage basis. So the larger the square footage of use, the higher the traffic demand is. So we took in account traffic increasing above its current standard out there that's out there today. That was factored in the calculations. Yeah. There's no comparison provided in the information. There's 28,000 square feet in the new building. How how many square feet do you have currently?

About 20,000. Yeah. So an 8,000 foot increase for that part. And you didn't get to the second part of my question which was the upstairs new uses upstairs. Sure.

Thank you. Um, so if when when we started today, I talked about the original building being built in 1949. Um, and since then there's been, I'm going to guess and say five or six different additions on the building. There's basement under the large majority of it. Um, that basement is very choppy. Uh, there's a lot of areas where you practically hit your head on the joist above you that are real short. um that's where most of uh a huge portion of our production and storage happens currently. Um it's not a fun spot to work. Um and in today's day and age when it's harder and harder to find people uh to hire um it's important for us to try to make those employees happy and give them a nice space. So that's what the large majority of the second story would be is a lot of those production spaces are moving upstairs. A lot of the stuff you see right now in the store when you are passing the deli and you see the cook hood and you see them cooking and stuff that'll be moved upstairs into production areas there. We have multiple different elevators bringing stuff down uh to be able to stock the store. Our goal is to use that first floor uh to use every square inch possible. Not every square foot possible, every square inch possible to make it the best shopping experience for our customers and offer as much variety um as we possibly can. So the large majority of the upstairs would be then for that production space, storage of all those products um and uh employee facilities, break rooms, lunchrooms, um um locker rooms for them to change um all that kind of stuff. Um we um we have a what Ryan referred to a large um hole through the floor um so that when you come in you'll have this very beautiful grandiose view of the of the upstairs uh that will hopefully be very artic uh architecturally pleasing and and look really beautiful. Uh we have some terrace seating going up as well. Uh we

have in some of our stores created these hospitality areas where customers can go and buy food whether it's off of the hot bar or out of a service department. Um but then we also have for example at our store at the corners um in Brookfield. Uh customers can go to the meat department and they can order you know a steak cooked the way they want it and then they can sit down in our what we call our beastro area which is two floors there. There's a mezzanine and a and a regular floor. Um they'll bring it out to you at your table. You go. We also have a limited menu on on kind of easier items that you can that you can order. We have a full bar there um as well as a coffee bar, juice bar, kind of all combined. So, uh we added a lot of those ideas to our Mechcoan store when we re recently remodeled that. Uh except for it's just on one floor. None of it's upstairs. Um and there's there's minimal seating just because we didn't have the right spot to put that in. Uh but Whitefish Bay, I know that looking at the surveys that Whitefish Bay has done over the last teen years, um you know, one of the biggest complaints is um that there's no parking um not for Sendex, I'm saying for the village itself, right? And for for restaurant spaces and space for for people to um to gather. So um right now we have are probably the biggest gathering space in Whitefish Bay, but it happens to be in the really narrow aisles. It makes it impossible for you to do your shopping. So hopefully now people would move to these gathering spaces where we're have a bunch of seating whether it's tables, soft seating, um looking into different options for adding fireplaces and stuff like that to make it a really welcome spot for people to come. Uh a limited menu, a full bar up on that second story. Um we were creating some community rooms that the community can can use. They can sign up to use it. whether it's for, you know, a women a women's club or whether it's uh somebody wanting to do a a shower at need a space for a bridal shower or something or a baby shower or something like that that people can use those rooms. Um and we're

happy then to cater it uh for anybody that would like that to be done. So, um and then I think you referred to any type of events. Um yes, our hope is to be able to use some of that space to be able to do events. uh potentially have if there's a certain winery uh that wants to do something, maybe we do a wine event, cheese event, uh different things. But what's nice is that we can control when those events occur to make sure that they're uh opposite of our busiest hours of the day so that we're not creating our own our own parking problem. Would they would any of those events uh require u the hours of operation to change or the bar?

Or the bar. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good question. Um I I I can imagine there would be a circumstance where that potentially could happen. Yes. Um but I haven't really thought that through. Um I just want to be clear. I'm not raising concerns about any of these. I'm just trying to really understand what the proposal includes because there was it's really scant in that area. And one of the things that I would want to see more a lot more detail on in the final proposal is that this whole area that you're talking about right now uh and the implications of that. Sure. Very. All right. Any other questions? Generally from the book of commissioners?

I have two quick. The community room space, is that going to be free for people who sign up or is it a for a charge? What do you anticipate? The intention would be yes, that it would be free. We're trying to make the spaces um adjustable as well so that if it's so that maybe it's it could be a larger space that's divided up if there's more people that want to use it. But we're looking at kind of all our options on how to make that the most usable possible. But yes, that would be the idea. I'm sorry, I forgot to just follow up on the rooftop. Great.

Um the rooftop the rooftop there's no plans for. Honestly, it was because we have a lot of mechanicals that end up being on the roof and just tried to get make it a lot safer and easier for the service people that have to service those. Uh we looked at the cost just to extend that stairway up and it's it's so minimal that it's like why not just do it and make life easy. So you know plans for events there that might bring noise and other things to that would be a concern that that would be brought to us by the public if that's the case. No, currently we have no plans to do any type of activities up there. Thank you. That that'd be a great place to watch the Fourth of July parade then. They can sell tickets up there. They got a balcony. All right. Oh, sorry, Julie.

Um, just I don't think this goes to the smell test as our village attorney has referenced, but I if I'd be interested in finding out if there are opportunities for any more greenery in the parking lot without losing parking spaces. Just it's a lot of contiguous parking lot. So they got they address that through the press. Exactly. Right. Yeah.

Right. All right. Um why don't we have some members of the public if they would like to um ask any questions. I know there was one I think you were going to ask a question. Why don't if you would come up to the podium and state your name and address and ask your question and feel free to have an on deck circle. That's probably But they're not baseball fans because Mizowski's pitching in five minutes. That is not baseball fans.

I don't really have a question. Uh my name is Rhysa Gachok and I live at 450 East Bowmont uh unit 20002 and I'm here speaking on behalf of the owners of the LCASa condominium. Um and um you forgive me some of the issues that we raised you've raised and we've had some answers but um just know that that we're just emphasizing uh our concerns. So, the following comments reflect the initial concerns of the residents of Lacassa Condominium. We're a community of 22 unit owners. Our buildings are located on the 400 to 300 block of East Bumont and we will be directly impacted by the proposed Sendex plan development. We ask to be kept informed and consulted regarding the plans as they move forward. At this early stage, we offer these comments and questions. Uh first we are in agreement that there is a need for a bigger Sendex. The present store is small, tired, needs replacing and uh we welcome a new a new uh Sendex. We support a new store but also want to protect what makes this ne this a neighborhood that is highly desirable, pedestrian friendly, and unique. We welcome the additional green space, especially the addition of trees. We hope that these spaces will be wellmaintained and to add to the attractiveness of the streets. We asked that the corner of East Bowmont and North Console be made a four-way stop and I was very pleased to hear that you are considering that. Uh we feel that would be appropriate now. Um I won't read the rest of the comments since you've considered that. We have significant concerns about the changes proposed for East Bulmont where parallel parking will be added to both sides of the street, essentially making it a single lane two-way street. And that sounds like it might be widened and that might address some of these concerns.

Further, how will those changes and resulting potential bottlenecks impact the 400 to 300 blocks of East Bowmont? These blocks already host moving vans, repair trucks, construction trucks for the Argo project, street repair trucks. Sometimes there's double and triple parking. Will emergency vehicles be able to get through get to and through the street? And how will residents get in and out of our driveways safely? Uh we are concerned about the consolidation of entry and exit ways to East Bowmont and North Consul each of which is just two blocks long at this intersection. Uh we understand we have an early understanding of the rationale for the consolidation but we do worry about the added congestion. We want to be sure that all options are being considered. Uh, in closing, we ask that Lacassa residents be and others directly impacted be involved in the planning process. Thank you.

Thank you. Great memo.

All right. See if you can state your name and address. That t that should tip, but

that's all right. U, my name is Tim Tharp. I live at 5654 North Santa Monica Boulevard, which is at uh Santa Monica and Bulmont. Um and uh I just have some comments. Um the and the first one is I love Sendix, right? I use it all the time. It's my neighborhood grocery store. Um and it's an anchor of White Fish Bay. And um I have a lot of different choices of grocery store that I can drive to, park at, and go in and find lots of space with lots of stuff. I only have one grocery store that I can walk to or bike to, right? Um and so some of my concerns are uh I feel like in this design and all the discussion here centered around cars and parking. Um, and I don't think that the design really prioritizes um pedestrians, right? I don't see any any bike rack. I don't see um a lot of easy access for pedestrians. I see uh two sidewalks along um along Lake and Silver Spring where there's just a giant bare wall with no entrance for pedestrians. and having uh having some experience with big bare walls like that right up against the sidewalk, it's not a friendly place to be walking. I would really like to see um entrances and some some softening of that giant wall, right? Um I think the a second concern is um I feel like in this presentation there hasn't been a whole lot of effort made to discuss environmental improvements. Right? We talked about the hardscape and how there's hardly any new green space. Um, and in this day and age, I think sustainability is really important and key and uh and we should be making an effort to do better than business as

usual, not to meet it. Um, I encourage you to consider things like uh geothermal heating and cooling. I'm a big proponent of this and I think that would do a lot for your business side as well as uh helping with the environment. I think that uh we should be considering things like underground parking with green space above, right? Or other ways to integrate green space into the parking. Um as was mentioned, uh another big concern I have is that this design is essentially taking village land uh and converting that b that section of Bowmont from what is presently a quiet village street into what will be a hightraic parking lot. Right. I I don't think that that's necessary. I would rather see that street remain a village street and have reduced number of parking spots. And maybe that's um one of the one of the issues is that we have too big of a requirement for parking. Um and then regarding the uh again setbacks and parking and things like that, um I think something that I've noticed in this design is that it seems to be really prioritizing the process of building where there's nothing uh in order to keep the store open all the time and prioritizing that process over the final product. And I want to ask the question, if there were no requirement to stay open during the construction period, um is this the design that we would end up with or are we giving up a lot in order to meet that process requirement? Uh the old building has been here for 75 years as you mentioned. Um and this new building could be with us for longer than that and I think it's worth um taking any delays or any required shutdown period in order to get the product that's best rather than optimize the process. Thanks.

Thank you. Are you the one putting in geothermal in your house? I did. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. I that was like a week ago. Yeah. I want I'm curious how you're Yeah. Go ahead, though. Well, pretty much what he said. I mean, he had some great ideas. Name name and address, please. Uh Laura Gleon, 5524 North Berkeley Boulevard. Um so, I'm close to the business district and um I have a strong interest in keeping Whitefish Bay a family, pedestrian, and bike friendly focused community. Um, I definitely consider Sendex to be a crown jewel of White Fish Bay and I have high regard to the Sendex organization who

just right into that which you have to start over. No, you're good.

Okay. Um, so I consider Sendex to be a crown jewel of White Fish Bay and I have a high regard to the Sendex organization who time and again support Whitefish Bay events and community. But as a community, we don't often come upon a project that can have significant impact on the footprint of our town. Um, and as this project will have uh lots of, you know, you're doing such a huge project, I think, you know, like the previous speaker said, taking parking into consideration and even like the placement of the building, you know, I wish I could take that building and turn it from um lake to turn it on to Silver Spring. I know that in our I think Grafe did the study um and we wanted to have a downtown walkable community area and I just think that parking lot positioned where it is is a little breaks things up. I also think with extra parking it provides um you could provide employee parking for your people who work at Zendix. And I think if the village would cooperate with Sendex on a bigger better parking plan, maybe going underground doing the green space. I love that idea. Um, we could also potentially use that for overflow such as Argo special events and concerts. So, I don't know if Sendex would partner with a parking facility, but to put something down, you know, underground, I think would really be great. You know, keep it out of sight and then put the building on Silver Spring and keep that continuity going. So, that's it. I'm always about parking, by the way.

Thanks, Laura. name and address. Well, my name is Irv Gachok. I'm Reese's husband. So, I can tell you that she shops at uh this particular Synex several times a day.

Wow. So, having a new and improved uh store is in everybody's interest, but in our personal interest. Uh having said that, I also am speaking as the president of uh Lacassa uh condominium association and that's located at 450 East Bowmont which is the address gave you and then also at 330 East Bowmont. So we are neighbors to you and are concerned about making this project work without having an undue adverse impact on us personally as well as the neighborhood generally. So uh among the concerns I just wanted to raise for your consideration, your consideration, possible reconsideration, one is of course has been mentioned throughout this uh meeting is the impact of collapsing six entry points to two. Um, and when you combine that with the projected higher traffic volume, which a larger store presumably would attract, um, just to have two entry points on two small streets, uh, is a concern. And, uh, I have to express sympathy with Mr. Buckley's comment about uh whether we shouldn't have a third entry spot since Lake Drive uh wouldn't make much sense given the nature of the building that you're proposing. That necessarily suggests somewhere on Silver Spring, whether it's in its current location or moved somewhere else

on the street. But a third access point would seem important to handle the flow. and collapsing down to to just two uh let alone three entry points is exacerbated by the proposed narrowing I think inevitable narrowing of East Vulmont to effectively be a one lane but yet two-way street and that's because of the impact of having angle parking on both sides. Unless the street is widening, you're necessarily reducing the space. And the street as it's currently constructed, it's hard for two cars to get past each other if there are parking on both sides, parallel parking on both sides. So, changing that to angle parking just makes it more challenging. Um, as Rhysa mentioned, uh, very pleased with the idea that you're already considering making the intersection of Console and Bulmont to be a four-way stop. It really should be that way right now, but all the more reason as this project is underway. A fourth concern uh is the location of the loading dock. So in the drawing, I think it's on page 11 if I remember that correctly. Uh so near to the bowont uh exit entrance and exit I watch uh at times how the large trucks, the long beded tractor trailers back into the current loading dock off of console. And it very skilled drivers, but it takes them time, which of course

impedes any traffic that might be trying to go on console. And it's a relatively straight uh shot to for them to back in. They have to make the initial turn, but beyond that, they're all they're doing is going directly back. As I read the the illustration on page 11, I presume they would be backing in off of Bowmont into the U opening of the parking lot and then making a turn into where the loading dock is indicated. That looks to me, I'm not a truck driver, but that looks to me like a very tricky turn. I have no doubt that they're skilled enough to do it, but I think that that'll take even more time to do it carefully and properly than the current situation of console is. So I I have to wonder how all this is supposed to work. If people are trying to, you know, sometimes the loading trucks are coming in early in the morning, but not always. And if those trucks are trying to get in or out while ordinary traffic uh from uh customers are trying to enter, they'll see those trucks. They won't use Bulmont. And so how are they going to then have to get around to go back to Console and possibly if there is a third entrance off of Silver Spring. So, I think the location of that loading dock uh and how the trucks access it is something to to give some further thought to. I don't know if the space can be widened, if the location of the driveway entrance can be relocated in a bit to give the driver more space so you can make the turn more

quickly. I don't know, but but I think that bears further thought. Um, I noticed in I couldn't tell you the page, but that somewhere in the proposal there's talk about ballards. I believe uh somewhere on Lake Drive, I'm presuming, all right, that some some ballards, I think they were described as um somewhere on Lake Drive, I'm presuming in the center between the northbound and the southbound. so as to block a left turn from northbound Lake Drive onto East Bulmont. Uh if that's not in their picture anymore, then I have no question.

But uh I thought I remembered reading that.

And then finally, I just reiterate the question about the impact of all this on during the course of the construction and what impact that'll have on street traffic. Uh people can't park in the lot or at least not much of the lot because much of it will either be taken up by your construction trucks or else um as the old store gets demolished of course then that that's unusable parking sparking lot as well. So that means they have to go on the street somewhere and that has an impact on us. So, whatever additional uh consideration you can give on the impact during construction would be appreciated.

Thanks. Thank you. And feel free to respond to anything you want to respond to. Thank you. I didn't know if I was allowed to. Yeah. I mean, this is basically more questions if you I would try to keep it to a minimum.

Sure. I think I think just a couple of the I think easy things to clear up. um OM would get significantly wider um than it currently is with this proposal. Um there is a large uh grassy area between the existing curb line and the sidewalk um that would that would go away in order to allow for those parallel or excuse me those angled parking spots. So, um, that would the in the end the end result is they'll actually be a wider street. The actual drivable portion of it, not the parking, the drivable portion will be wider than it currently is. It also hopefully won't have a large crest in the center of it because right now it's kind of bowed. Maybe that's why they call it Bulma.

Sorry. Um, so I think that was that was one thing because a lot of people seem to have questions in regard to that and and it does get significantly wider. Um um I know one person brought up pedestrian traffic. I I think we have really considered pedestrian traffic and bike traffic in this plan a lot. We have very well striped um walkways. We're improving walkways across multiple streets as you all know. Uh we have wide sidewalks around Sendex. We're replacing every sidewalk around the entire block and the curb around the entire block to make it level, smooth, nice, clean. Um, we have I don't do I think there's bike racks on the drawings, aren't there? There are. There's like five.

There's several bike racks on the drawing. Um, and so it is our our our hope to make it the most pedestrian friendly it could possibly be and bike traffic friendly as it can be. Um, I think those were the couple things that we make wanted to make sure to clear up right away. Do you want to just talk through quick the loading dock movements or maybe that will be shown in

Yeah, I can briefly I mean you know it's we look at it with with you know with our traffic analysis and and how that flow works. Um I can tell you this is going to be a significantly easier loading dock to get into than the one right now off of off of console place. Um that one they have to turn down that narrow alley behind Associated Bank. Uh, that's not an easy turn for them to make and they have to pull fairly far down the alleyway in order to be able to get their tractor trailer the tractor the trailer and the tractor straight with each other before they can back up across traffic.

Um, and then on top of that, as you guys are all aware, anybody who's tried to use that street, the tractor is usually then blocking half of console place and the whole sidewalk. So, all of that gets taken out of the mix. Um, also I would think neighbors would be happy to know that with the the um loading dock being closed the way that it is, hopefully that will cut down on the noise uh from those trucks um unloading and whatnot. Our our number of fulls size semis has gone down drastically in the last several years. We bought our own uh distribution facility um and we distribute most of our own stuff to our stores now. So, for the most part, there's a a se the only semiis showing up are are a dairy truck, our main grocery supplier, and then our our own Sendix truck. Those are the three, you know, more regular fulls size semis, but now most of our vendors are in smaller uh box trucks.

Thank you. You're up. I'm on. Name address.

My name is Phil Himlfarb. I live at 401 East Bowmont Avenue. And so I have a vested interest in this. And uh before I get into my questions or concerns is um Bowmont Place has been an apartment building that's been there for about 10 years and my wife and I are the the original. And so I will say that one of the things that made that area very attractive to us and it continues to be attractive is send this the sendic store because it means we don't have to drive anywhere to go. We don't even have to park. But let's talk about parking for a moment because we do have a vested interest in what's going on with the parking at on Bowmont Avenue. And uh I do you're talking about or I believe you're talking about having angled parking on both sides of Bowmont. Is that correct? Right. And you're going to be cutting into the or removing perhaps the green space that is now between the Bowmont Road and the sidewalk. Is that also correct? Yeah. Okay. Well, there are several issues that I have about all of this. And one is that uh if you're having angle parking, no matter what you uh provide by perhaps 3 ft on either side or maybe four, I'm not sure. Uh it's that when people are angle parking, they have to maneuver their car to get into that spot. And I have yet to see anybody or very few people actually who are able to angle park with just one shot. That's very difficult to do that and that's fine. But what it does is

that it cuts down on the traffic that can go through Bont Avenue. So I strongly urge if you can consider this that you make that a one-way street. I don't know how that would what that would how that would fit with the plans, but if it were one way, it would be help it would be very helpful to th at least those of us who live there. The other thing is I am uh also a strong proponent of having that corner of Bulmont and Consul a four-way stop. And I I really don't understand why that couldn't possibly be done right away because we need it. We have every time I go through there, I'm rather annoyed and scared because I see cars going whipping right by uh and without any consideration of who might be at stopped at one of the other corners. So, that's a big safety issue. The the next issue I have is that there is an underground that is an above ground parking lot below the Bumont building. It's public property and I think that's great, but I have a feeling that there will be a lot of SEX visitors who will see that as a very convenient place to park. And yet it's full all day every day. So would if you could take that into consideration because yes it's convenient but for those of us who live there uh and have our out of town guests friends etc use that space which we do now um that would be denied us pretty

much. So, I have no idea how you would resolve that, but perhaps it's uh putting up the different signs or I don't know how you'd even limit the Sendix customers who would see that as a good place. So, if you can think about zoning or whatever you need to do, but maybe it could solve that problem. The other one I have is a concern about emergency vehicles. Uh we have at Bowmont periodically uh somebody falls ill in the building and calls 911 and before you know it there could be and it's sometimes at night, sometimes during the day. First thing we see is a fire truck. We hear a siren, then we see a fire truck in front of the building. Now that fire truck takes up a lot of width and then the next thing you see is an ambulance following soon after that and that basically closes the road. So if you have those emergency vehicles there and the road is pretty much closed, I don't know how you're going to deal with the traffic flow of the of the angle parking people. How are they going to get out? How is this going to work? And so please consider that as well. And I realize you you do need to or you're thinking of widening Bowmont, but don't forget about those not too often occasions that do happen. And I think the last thing I want to say is I don't know how much you've noticed, but there an awful lot of dog walkers. And I don't have to tell you how many of those dog walkers walk on those sidewalks on both sides of Bowmont and on console.

And guess what space they use for their dogs? You might want to consider that as you think of widening the road to consider leaving some space so that the dog walkers when they're walking on the sidewalk don't have to leave those messes in the on the edge of the sidewalk or have the dog pee on the sidewalk somewhere and then the next person along and of course dog has to sniff which they do and then it gets to be a mess. So, thank you for listening and uh I hope to be at the next meeting and I'm sure that there'll be an awful lot that you'll be letting us'll be telling us. And by the way, I really do welcome a new modern wonderful store because I am also one of those people who not often but will go to Meccoan to your store and how about that for loyalty. Thank you.

Well, you you're doing so well until the dog lobby. showed up and you you know you probably didn't have that on the memo of Hi there.

So I'm Karen Andine. I live at 5654 North Santa Monica Boulevard. Um Tim over there is my husband. Um our driveway is on Bowmont. He didn't point that out. We also have three young children. Um I live next to Chin Rogers. Hi Chin. Who doesn't like to come and talk in public hearings. Um she's also in Bowmont and has two small children. The other home on Bowmont on our end of Bowmont also has four small children. Um, and then there's another home on Bowmont with some slightly older children. So, not just the dog walkers, but the moms and the dads are here to say we're worried about um the increased traffic on Bumont. So, there was already a traffic study done several years ago, well a year ago maybe only. Uh from 2017 to 2024 there were 16 accidents on the corner of Bowmont and Lake. So you're proposing to add parking there which will just increase the traffic flow. You're proposing to reduce the number of entrances to Sendex from 6 to two which is going to increase the traffic flow in Bowmont. I agree with everybody else who's spoken here. Love Sendex. What a nice store. This is great. I just think you really really need to consider the traffic flow through Bowmont. Um solutions because I'm not here just to complain. There are many possible solutions. Some of them have been mentioned, right? One-way traffic. Okay. How about parking on console instead of Bowmont? Um how about making one end of Bowmont a dead end to prevent people from just whipping through there by all the parking lots? Right. I'd be perfectly happy if you want to make our end a traffic circle, right? not a truck circle um um a culde-sac right it's across from the St. Monica's school. There are kids. I have seen two accidents. I've seen them myself and I don't even work from home most of the time in front of my house. I heard a kid get hit by a car. Okay, this is not a

street that is super safe already. So, we need to really, really, really be considering this. All right, that's my that's my stickick. Second, um, less important, I think that the facade is like a wall when you come into White Fish Bay. One of the really nice things about coming to White Fish Bay, when I first drove into White Fish Bay, when I first moved here, there's this cute sundex on the corner. It looks so adorable. I love it. Right? This giant wall that's brick is foroding and forbidden and scary, right? It's not welcoming. So, I think you should really consider softening that, making it more welcoming. It's the first thing people see when they come to our town, right? And that's just something to consider. Um, right now the way it's drawn, it kind of looks like the Kohl's over at Beayshore, and it's just not that's not what I want my town to look like, right? Um, and I think that was it. Parking ugly facade. Um, yeah, that's it. Thank you.

Thank you. Bye. Is that my thing?

I'm Carol Himmel Farba. I live at Bowmont 401. Um, my only concern because everything has been mentioned is the angle parking. There's this church. There are lots of kids. They run out and I'm afraid of wondering about the safety of these children with the cars coming down. If you have cars going both way and you have angle parking and you have these little kids coming out from schools um and they they run out and it's easier to see your child if it's between two cars that are parallel parking than it is if you've got a bunch of angle parkings. You can't see them as easily. So that's my concern.

Thank you.

Thanks for listening. I'll just keep you for two more minutes. I'm sorry you thought you were done. Um, I just wanted to echo what David said and then what I said. Oh, I'm sorry. Lois Brassner, 401 East Bulmont. I'm a resident there. I have been for about 10 years. Um, I wanted to echo three things. Uh, first thing, Mr. Baluri. Thank you. I live at Synix in Whitefish Bay practically and a 35-y year customer of Meccoin and we moved here 10 years ago and absolutely adore Synex. Have been waiting for you to do this. Thank you. Um and by the way, I love the Beastro area at Corners. It is a fabulous idea and I'm glad we'll get a little bit of that. I can tell you that it's wonderful.

Um I just wanted to echo a couple comments. First, what Urban David asked about the loading dock area and the room that's going to be on uh on Bumont. I just want to re-emphasize that Bowmont Place has had a unique experience with trucks backing up going beep beep beep for 10 years now. Thank you for the way you all had signs posted saying please no deliveries until 7 or 8 a.m. I can't remember which it is, but we're very sensitive to that. So, I wanted to say thank you for moving the loading loading dock over to the church because it's going to be their problem now. But more importantly, um,

please make sure that you're comfortable that you can get semis in there easily and the whole neighborhood will not be listening to the beep beep beeping because we have seen trucks at all hours, not just off hours. It's not a second shift delivery, it's prime shift deliveries. And so, uh, we're very sensitive about the noise of the trucks. And you've got great drivers. They're not making noise. They're not throwing pallets around, but we need you to make sure that that loading dock way over on Bulmont really works for you. Um, versus having to back in at the console um, driveway all the way to the building and back in eventually to get to your loading dock. Please don't do that. Um, that's number one. Number two, I wanted to make a comment about um emergency services. Do realize that the emergency services in Whitefish Bay love to take Bowmont Avenue as an alternative to taking Silver Spring. So, it's not simply the ones that are making a stop because there are people who are ill at Bowmont, but I face Silver Spring and I face Herbs area uh across the street from it. And um I cannot tell you how many times we get a car chase or an urgent squad car that goes down Bowmont. And bravo, they're helping us. This is important. This is protection. But they use Bumont going west of Consul as an alternative to taking Silver Spring. So, whatever you do to Bowmont, please make sure that you've at least run it by our emergency services for White Fish Bay because those guys and gals right now need that in order to not have to stop at so many lights at Silver Spring or whatever. I can only say I've witnessed it. I know you've got a curious look on your face, Kevin. I I respect that.

No, it's a great point. That's okay. But if you could please check with them

just they may have to have alternate plans on how they want their people to navigate around Silver Spring in the future. Um and the last comment was on exterior styling. Um I have heard a couple comments from other people that it is a style of building that looks like it belongs at Beayshore Town Center. And that's not a criticism of Beayshore Town Center. It's a very fine modern place. But uh with the pilers and with the lines and so on and with the squareness of the building um Ryan, it's a beautiful arrangement, but if there's a way to make it more like a village to give it any kind of curb appeal or designer styling that softens it, um right now it looks like it could be a Best Buy or it could be a Home Depot or it could be a a larger box store. And um it really looks like Sendix strip in Meccoin. And that building there is beautiful. You just remodeled it. Um but the exterior um for our village if it could look a little bit more Kurpee villagy. That might be lovely. It it could be a uh an event venue right now with the current style. Um just a thought because basically what you're doing is spectacular and we need it to be successful. Um that's it and thank you.

Thank you. I'm I'm glad you came up because because your neighbor kind of threw you under the bus out and then I had to say something but thank you for hearing me. Um one of the reasons we So I'm Chin Rogers. I live on 314 East Bowmont Avenue.

Oh, sorry. And so one of the reasons that we considered moving to the village is because of its walkability. Um the Zendic store huge huge draw to us. Um my parents can't drive so when they visit they walk to the store. We are there every week. We are huge proponents and supporters of your store. Um but then you know I also have two young children to consider and um then there are a lot of young children to consider because Bulmont is that very short street and so on Santa Monica and Bowmont in that corner is that school so there's already a lot of traffic coming in and out of that area and then with the proposed parking on the other end going to lake it's it's a bottleneck. I mean, I feel lucky because I have that alley, but I am gonna be sure that there's going to be a million people who also think of our alley and they're going to whip through that. So, um, number one is probably traffic calming measures maybe in that alley. It would be terrible for the plows. Uh but it would be better that cars are not trying to whip through that alley because they want to try and avoid the bottleneck on Santa Monica and then on the lake on the other side of Bowmont. It's a very short street. So I hope you would consider doing something in that area just for the safety of our children. Kids walk to school in the morning and they always cut through that alley. So if we have people trying to escape the two bottlenecks of traffic and they cut through the alley too, it's going to be disastrous. And uh people already drive too fast in that alley. So um that would be something we hope that people would consider

just to be the the alley between the Fox Bay and Bowmont. No, the alley between uh Bowmont and uh Lake View. Okay. There's like a little alley there. Oh, okay. So my my driveway is in that area. So look at that. That's an alley. But people whip through that alley, unfortunately. Okay. And uh I'm calling out another neighbor, Chris, who probably sees that people whipping through our alley because they want to escape the the bottleneck down the whole street. Been looking for a new shortcut. So, thank you. Perfect.

Come in. We'll talk. Um and then the four-way stop on Bulmont and Consul. if you could consider that. I I would I would quote my my name for that proposal. Um and then underground parking for the store could be something that you could consider. I know it would probably add considerably, you know, expenses to to the store, but if you think about it, it's a beautiful, elegant solution. It would keep that village feel. It would not do much to the construction on that street. We already have the school and then we have the Argo that's going on and then we have the Sendex that's doing construction. It really feels like we are getting um sort of pushed out. I mean if you really consider it um Karen's house and our house are like and then there's another neighbor. The saludes are the three big houses like on Bulmont. But then if you consider the apartment complex and then the condos, you're actually impacting more people than you really really think. So, um there are many more families that are being impacted that maybe don't have the time to come here and and speak up. So, the three h like two houses are here, but that there's definitely more apartments and condos impacted. So um and then I think about the loss of green space for pedestrians but I think that's a secondary concern. And my concern is about the safety of the children. Um the loss of that village feel and then um the how many people are actually impacted in this project and and I agree also with the emergency vehicles because um I work in emergency medicine so I do take note of how many vehicles come in at night. You know like the apartment complex that that's high density so highish density for for White Fish Bay.

So, you know, we do get calls and they do stop in front of our street a lot. So, so thank you. We love your store. I want this to be a success for you. Um, I just don't want it to be at the expense of the people who live there. Okay. So, thank you very much. Thank you.

Hi, my name is Bob Zachman. and I live at 450 East Bulmont at Lacassa Condominiums and I'm speaking for myself. Um, I'd like to ask the architect a question if I may. What consideration was given to if there was any consideration giving to an some type of a parking structure above ground, below ground, some type of structure. So, so we want to limit the back and forth. So, if you could do your whole public comment, then they can respond. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

So, we'd like we try to limit the amount of back and forth. So, if you could do your your full statement and then I'm sure they'll respond. Does that make sense instead of going back and forth with questions? I'm sorry. I am hard of hearing and I just But I Is that my only question? No, I have a few comments. Yeah. Is it not correct to ask about this?

Okay. Parking seems to be the problem. I think if you look at all the things that have been talked about, parking I think is a problem and congestion. Um, when you look at the northshore of Chicago, the different suburbs, Highland Park and so on, in the parking structures that have been given to above ground for the most part, uh, been given to the grocery stores and all different types of complexes. Madison, I was just visited Madison, the parking structures around the cap. Um I'm I'm really concerned about parking. I think all almost everybody here is parking and safety. Um I think some consideration should be given to above ground underground some type of a parking structure that would solve I think 90% of the problems I've heard or the things comments I've heard. Um, again, I don't know what's appropriate, but

okay.

Architects usually have consideration for underground and different types of parking. Thank you. Okay. Any any other public comments? Okay. Any further questions from the commissioners? Um at at this point we are uh well f first it it's important to to recognize um the tenor or so people who spoke today and the issues they brought up and and indeed you know wi without the public coming in and and explaining especially the folks who live right there on Bowmont um that that this is going to significantly impact their you know infrastructure around their area. Um, is there any commentary from any commissioner about changes or options that they would like to see that would make a future petition be more acceptable? How about that? Um, I I I you know, from my perspective, um, I I think there were some ideas there like making Bowmont a one-way street. I'm I'm not sure how feasible that is. And that's and a culde-sac. I I can't quite envision what that is, but maybe we've got some e expert traffic people here who can figure figure some of these out. Is that is that something that um the commissioners would like to would you add this to it or is this advice to the what what do you know? I think we're just propo we're we're going to accept if it passes um this pre-etition conference. Are we giving them suggestions at this point? Are we

or are we adding conditions to our vote? We don't the conditions would be if you were to turn it down and this is why we turned it down because you there was one aspect you didn't like. Okay. Whatever that might be. Another way to do this would be to take a motion to recommend and then have your discussion after a second. So what would you say? It's I mean we we can have any discussion at anyone at the end said have a motion in a second and then have our discussion have a discussion and then the discussion that comes with it under that's Robert's rules recommendations at this point in instead of conditions.

All right. Well, how about this? Does anybody have any recommendations that they'd like to see in the future? And and we can kind of,

you know, go around that. Obviously, we've just mentioned that. Um I'm I I'm going to continue to to advocate for a third entrance. Um, I I think that one of the things that I didn't recognize until it was mentioned by the public was that um by limiting the entrances on Silver Spring, you're now pushing traffic onto Bowmont. Um, and and and there's a balancing act, right? Um, we want pedestrian safety on uh diversity and console and Silver Spring, but we also want pedestrian safety and car safety and and and uh the ability for emergency vehicles to tra traverse Bowmont. And so there's definitely a a a tug one way the other robbing Peter to pay Paul and pu pushing traffic from one place to the other. Um, so I I I continue to advocate for that. Uh I don't know if that if what has been said in the public has convinced anyone otherwise. Um other than looking at one way or culde-sacs, are there any other suggestions to be made? Yes. Should

I thought the comments from the public about having more activation on the lake drive side were pretty compelling. Can there be an entrance for pedestrians? Something that's a little more engaging along that long stretch that isn't facing the parking lot. So, I would be receptive to hearing ideas about um how to incorporate that. And then, you know, in an ideal world, I loved what was said about orienting the entire store to Silver Spring. I I get the limitations of remaining open, but in a sim city world, you know, like having it aligned differently and creating different traffic flow options and a different feel for Silver Spring would be amazing. So, I don't know if that's um again, maybe coming to the next meeting able to talk about the feasibility or lack of feasibility as it may be.

Any other comments? And this this will come back to the plan commission if it's recommended. So you will have another opportunity. We're trying to give them the the best advice possible. Yeah. Um but you'll see it again is my point. All right. Well, if you We're probably at the moment where someone would make a motion to Let's see. It would be to approve the preition petition conference. Anyone like to make that motion? I'll move approval of the of the recommendation uh for the what you just said preition to move forward. Yes. All right. Seconded.

Uh are there any other questions or comments on this motion? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. All right. Well, that took uh two and a half hours, but this is a big project and we're all very excited. Yeah. Um that is the end of our business today. I want to thank all of the folks who showed up and um gave us your your your comments. There will be four more meetings um where other comments will be able to make be made. With that, I would take a motion to move. Second move. A second. There you We want to get him in the books,

right? All right. It's a motion, a second to adjurnn. All those in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.