Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

the chair is all right being 602 I will call to order the plan commission meeting of February 10th um at the moment we don't need to call the role but um we'll note that Julie Wilson is on zoom and the rest of us are here good evening thank you Julie uh all right the first order of business is the approval of the minutes from the regular meeting of October 10th that should have been in your packets is there any questions or a motion to approve I move we approve them as they're written thanks Joe I'll second thank you Jane for a second any further discussion hearing none all those in favor say I I I uh motion carries thank you tonight we have a public hearing um which is uh then duplicated in the new business so the the the first order of business is really to talk about uh the conditional use permit for uh the Argo a live entertainment venue bar and restaurant and event space to be located at 334 uh East Silver Spring Drive and I think the way we're going to handle this tonight is that our village manager is going to give us a brief introduction and then we'll have some comments by our attorney Elsie well thank you and good evening everyone um so I just wanted to take a brief moment to walk you through where we're at in the process because there's a lot of moving parts and so I just want to make sure everyone is up to speed so the first meeting regarding the Redevelopment of the Fox Bay theater occurred on Tuesday January 21st um that meeting was with the village board and really provided a comprehensive um background or a lot of information about the proposed use in that space that meeting was recorded and is available on the Village website I have encouraged all the plan Commissioners to watch that um video and so if you're here today and haven't I would encourage to watch it

because there's a lot of um good information in that uh the second meeting was on Thursday January 30th and that was the with the Community Development Authority so that group really looks at the developers incentive that's been requested um to assist with this project um that group will be meeting again to continue the discussion um we're thinking sometime in the next two weeks and that meeting um once it's set will be posted on our Village website uh and then this evening which is the village plan commission so this group is really charged at looking at the conditional use permit um so that covers areas such as noise parking um Safety and Security uh capacity within the venue uh all those different areas um so um any questions related to that would be most relevant this evening during um this public hearing and because conditional use permit is um a complicated topic for all of you that aren't living in my world every day I've asked our village attorney um Chris jacel to just walk everybody through like what is this um and how you all can participate this evening okay well thank you Kelsey and welcome everybody very large American government class over at the high school I see uh anyway uh this is a conditional use permit is an interesting animal um when with regard to zoning and the control of the use of property really everything falls into three categories permitted prohibited and conditional so you keep that in mind when you want to build a single family home on an empty lot in a single family subdivision that's a permitted use there's no there's no resort to getting an approval for from anybody for anything if likewise if you want to put a slaughterous where that uh where that single family home is uh you're simply prohibited um there are some there's some availability of variances and special exceptions and things like that but this we're more

concerned in this case with conditional use permits which is a it's a form of variance or special exception sometimes the the Fabian case recites both alternatively um but a conditional use permit is what's more frequent in our in our usage because it's right there in our code um that the following uses are conditional uses and the uses that are up tonight um on the list of uses that were applied for by the applicant uh all fit within uh the condition of use section of the code in chapter 16 now that also well let me just uh segue for a second so the end result of this is going to be a conditional use permit or should be if if things are approved um that's obviously one of the approaches as I said permitted prohibited conditional but another aspect is what we will also have in this project which is a development agreement um a development agreement is a is really a contract that's not too much different from when you have a contract with someone to uh to build a new roof on your garage um you know it's it's a it's a set of obligations that two sides agree to and that what that's what goes into a development agreement it's most often used um in conjunction with Tiff or tid financing uh there are some Village financing aspects to the transaction that you know we're hearing about tonight uh so a development agreement will come out of the back into this and be appropriate for that use we are not doing a a a um a development agreement that addresses uh the creation of a planned unit development District that's another aspect that can be done if none of the zoning in the conditional category fits where somebody wants to do something then they have to resort to a planned unit development District which is a

specific district for a specific use in a specific place we're not doing that and we've done it before that's why I want want to mention it because Jane you did it back with me as far back as The JCC I mean um this is something we've done many times uh with this board um but at the same time at the advice of Staff uh I think it's been decided that we're not going to mess around with the development agreement pudd or PUD instead we're just going to use the development agreement to organize the way that financing is going to occur um so as you heard this was already brought to the to the uh to the board in the first place um as a sort of prepetition and what the heck can this work uh the board then makes a referral of the matter to the plan commission that's how it got here the first time um and then uh this plan commission is charged with holding a public hearing which in fact it's already done um and with making its own decision going forward and that's going to result from uh the process we're going through uh one thing that um uh one thing that I do want to reiterate because it's it was new several years ago and now it's been around so long people forget but there's a new statute called act 67 new meaning 2017 it was adopted um it was heavily um lobbied for by the uh real estate realtors association um so it's very friendly to owners of property who want to develop it and I I'm not ashamed of saying so because that's what it is as a result anything that we as a village say no to in terms of conditions that that they might ask us will you accept me doing this if if I take this condition um we have to show they have to show substantial evidence first of all as to why that condition can work and we have

to show conditional or S I'm sorry show uh substantial evidence that uh our interpretation is correct and not interpretation of the uh of the individual asking for the permit um this the decision has to be made within 90 days um or it can be considered to be automatically approved we're not anywhere near that time um from my last check um so we don't have to be too concerned about that uh the let's see yeah I think the um well here just a little bit more on on on act 67 um the requirements that the board sets have to be reasonable and to the extent practicable measurable now what that means is that you can't just say well I've always felt that it's a little noisy over on bont place and therefore it should be a little different that's fine if you have evidence to to show that other people have have uh dealt with the sound problems for that Bowmont place Corner whatever it might be um and you know here's the decibel meter readings that we have when when there's a dispute on these things the new law really requires us to do our homework and show that substantial evidence it's it's strongest evidence when it's objective but that's also kind of difficult when we're all neighbors trying to live in a community and people trying to go about their lives and and maybe building a an occasional new business or two um without having to do millions of dollars worth of studies um because that can that can derail everything uh what I'm saying is that this new statute has been trying but we're it's working it's functioning Statewide people are getting projects done and we're getting more information gathered in advance of them um in fact

tonight I believe there's a traffic study um that's the result of the same sort of dichotomy that AOL that I'm talking about where um we asked we ask them do you have substantial evidence as to how this parking going to go they wouldn't got it is is what it boils down to and that's how it's mentioned me meant to function um let's see if an applicant does not meet one or more of the requirements um for for example an application that's incomplete uh or conditions specific in the ordinance uh or imposed by the board the the the village can deny the conditional use permit so um while on the one hand we're put to our Paces as a village and we're you know we've got to show you that substantial evidence says that it's it's proper for us to impose a condition um at the same time it's giving giving you more opportunity to get back and forth and give us some proof of some things that check the box so to speak um and with that I I guess I simply uh pass the the stage on to the uh to the Argo team um anybody have any questions before doing that I'm G to have one question yes what were the phrase you said unreasonable you could set items that are reason two two words two adjectives reasonable reasonable and to the extent practicable measurable right and remember it's got to be practicable and measurable and what my question is is about um the developers agreement is that Bound by measurable and reasonable it is not because it's not a conditional use permit right and and that's the point point I'm trying to make is that is that the village has two different avenues for um yeah and that's for creating a envir environment and a a project that we desire one of which is through this body through the conditional use permit but we are

somewhat handcuffed by I'm going to read it again reasonable yeah reasonable and to the extent practical and measurable items but the developer agreement uh is not so much Bound by that right and and and that gives us a little bit more leeway to to make sure that the project is exactly uh what the the residents would like to see just wanted to make that yeah and by way of background as I mentioned earlier we we you can have a development agreement to do tid financing you can have it tied into new zoning um or you can tie all all of those together in this case what's proposed is a development agreement that is just with regard to financing and building right and the conditional use permit has to do with the use I think that's the answer to my question the development agreement is basically our investment as a village into this project yes yep and the terms of that investment right so if we said we wanted the place to be painted purple oh good you know if they want the the financial investment then they got a paint a purple which is unreasonable and we've but that sounds measurable but I'm just it is measurable and we've done we've done you know financing side in the tens of thousands and into the millions so uh that's where the rubber hits the road for that any other questions for Chris all right hearing none I think we were then going to pass it on to the Argo to uh to explain you know what what the permit is you're asking to get um but but there's some editorial comments on here that um you know not only what your request is but the steps you've taken with other neighbors to decide uh how you can mitigate any of the issues that you may bring to the area and how you've worked with them and the village so the

floor is kind of yours to hit all those notes perfect uh I'll kick things off my name is Sheldon oerman I'm the CFO for Newland Enterprises the uh entity that owns through and its its Affiliated real estate entity owns the Fox Bay uh theater building as a whole and of course that makes me the landlord for the Fox Bay theater space um as such I wanted to start the conversation first to say thank you for the opportunity to be here and uh as a a a participant in the application for the conditional use permit wanted to be here so that I can all all very of course answer questions that are particular to the building or the landlord or the the lease obligations and those sorts of things but to also to give you a little bit of color background in terms of um you know the story and how we've gotten here today and sort of the search we've been on for uh trying to find the right use for use and users for the space and your your contemplation tonight is largely about user um and it as much as it's a conditional use permit this becomes a function of whether we all believe that the terms and conditions of whatever this conditional use permit May land at will be adhered to and as the owner of the building and the landlord and ultimately the property manager for the building and so on um I wanted to have shared with you that these are things that the things that that we've had the pleasure to hear feedback from the community and yourselves and and the Tenant will tell you a lot about that are things that we as the property owner obviously care about what will happen with crowds what will happen to parking what will happen with noise what would happen with uh the behavior of people who are attending and those sorts of

things and so I wanted to start the conversation by saying uh that we were really wondering and about those things ourselves when we started and whether or not when we went on a national search looking for this kind of use in the space whether we thought that would be a good idea not only for the village of Whitefish Bay but for our building and for the property value of our building for the long-term future of the building for the credit worthiness of the building as we've got that in financing and a number of tenants and so we have business tenants and office tenants and Retail tenants and so all of those things had to be taken into consideration we're also members of the business Community we don't I don't personally live in Whitefish Bay but we've got a lot of friends and family that that do and so we also know the commitment that we're making when we suggest that we think this is a good idea and we want to rent the space to someone we we tooo understand the pressures of what happens when that thing we said was a good idea doesn't turn out to be a good idea and so we spent a great deal of time uh looking into that trying to understand what needed to be considered what the space might need to to consider physically and logistically and that sort of stuff when we settled on this group of operators it's not the first and it's not the only um what we do believe is that we found the right attitude and the right participants and the the right passions for what what we've all described or heard described anyway that we want to see accomplished and so wanted to have shared with you that we ourselves have done a significant amount of vetting I don't expect you to take my vetting for granted and you're going to have a lot of questions for both them and us but when we put together that conditional use permit application we did so together uh a lot of the times we've had the opportunities to interact with members of the community we've done so

together and that's the kind of attitude and collaboration that I think is exemplary of what the villages showed us and what we think the residents of White Fish Bay are hoping for and looking for is a long-term operator for the space these aren't short-term thinking people and this isn't a sort of uh let's do this because it sounds fun sort of thing this is a lot of dedicated time and energy that I wanted to have shared my experience with with you and it and the B and gamble you know the financial investment we're going to be making into this and of course that we're asking the village to make we do not take that lightly we appreciate the opportunity to be here and the chance to have these guys uh be heard in their application considered thank you thank you Sheldon um I'm Adam Powers the one of the founders of the Argo and thank you very much for having us today um just wanted to give us a little background on the Argo before we jump into what we plan to do um Argo started in uh 2022 um Josh and I we were looking for um a space and also a way to give back to a community um we have loved uh the Milwaukee area we have looked for about three years for a space that we could bring back to life and not only for for us but also the community as well and that's kind of how we landed on Fox Bay theater um I met Sheldon and Newland about a year ago as of as of March uh walked through the building and we first we were like wow this place is special like we can do something here we if we put something together together we can actually make something happen so we started the conversation and it ended up being about a about a year um until we got to this point to put something together for you all um today so just a little overview of the project itself so yes we're going to turn it into more

more of a community space which will have a restaurant bar also a uh entertainment Hall and on the second floor which is two theaters right now will turn into a event space for weddings and birthdays and Gatherings um so that's kind of the whole plan I know there's lots of things um that people in the last meeting were concerned about so some of the things were parking uh noise the capacity and also just general safety in the area so what we've heard from a lot lot of people not only um people right here also from the community from our website people have reached out um we've been collaborating with lots of people um we've had what this our third meeting when it comes to publicly so um it's uh been really awesome to hear the excitement but also we take those concerns um not lightly we actually have worked on many of those things one of them you'll see today with the parking study um the other one uh talking about noise uh we have a full plan to work on you know exactly what that's going to happen we have DB rating on the inside and the outside of the building to make sure that we are compliant not only for you know people people's hearing but also for we're not making a Ruckus In in the neighborhood and also when it comes to capacity you know the place was a movie theater uh built in 1951 the capacity was 988 people seated so it's it's a it's a pretty big space and as you all know like through the the conditional permit um we've reduced that down as well to uh to bring a little bit more not so packed in there I would say um then comes to safety uh we definitely worked with um the chief and also the fire department Northshore on actually how we keep people safe oh speak of safety I guess um uh how we keep people safe and just make sure that you know on our end we're good and also that we're notifying anything that happens

um we've also talked a lot with you all here and then also um you know just general uh people in the community so one of the people uh that are right behind us our neighbors which are the citizen bont we've sat down had deep conversations on how we can be great neighbors and how we can work together um Josh is going to touch on a couple points that uh we kind of came to to make sure that we are are good neighbors in a little bit here also we've chatted with St Monica's Parish about you know just being neighbors as well you know how can we help each other can we give them more people to come to their service um and also maybe use our place as well so we're really trying to be collaborative on this whole thing with everyone in the neighborhood um and also just want to address you know we hear these concerns these questions and we're not taking them lightly um I would say out of all the things I've done when it comes to having people collaborate on something this is the most I've ever seen someone that wants to not not only make it happen but also how do we get past these roadblocks or these things we needed to change or whatever and I just want to thank you all for you know working with us and Josh is going to jump into a few things that we have modified um to kind of clear up to help this thing uh be a great thing in the community so Josh awesome yeah and and I'll just do a quick introduction Josh Bryant uh also one of the founders of the Argo great to see a lot of you again or meet some of you for the first time um so I I would just start by echoing what Adam just said the we're I think we're really humbled and and appreciative of how collaborative the community has been um you know just the the ability for us to work in concert with you know all of you all I know a lot of you here tonight to make this happen um has been very heartwarming and and we really

appreciate it so um I'll start with that and just just I suppose to catch uh a lot of you up on since we last met a few things that we've done or or amended um one we've adjusted the primary entrance to be off Silver Spring Drive um previously we were talking about using the rear entrance to the building um now we're we're only going to reserve that entrance for maybe you know private events or or very small VIP seating uh but the primary use will be you know all concert attendees going through the front doors um hopefully that'll reduce a lot of that noise noise and commotion um on the back alley um we Adam kind of touched on this already but I have it in my notes to uh We've collaborated on a comprehensive security plan with local law enforcement um safety is a huge concern for us um so we want to make sure that that no matter how many people we have coming through for events per this conditional use uh things go smoothly it's it's not going to be a danger to the community or to anyone outside the building um we heard how important the Fox Bay theater sign is to everyone I think the last time I was here I turned around and asked um and there was a very uh very overwhelming um positive uh response there we've heard you we're working through ways that we can incorporate our name into the existing sign so that we can preserve you know what is there and and what you remember about that space being so special um another another thing that we've done is we're working on making sure that we proactively communicate to attendees uh of to our establishment um you know the residential nature of the community and where approved public parking spaces are um so you know the most that we can influence these things and we'll we'll

go through the parking study a little more detail later um you know we've we've heard that concern we want to make sure that as much as we can we don't have attendees parking you know in front of houses and and on on private streets um last thing I I'll say is we've also really committed to hosting community events um I know we've talked to the Bowmont we've talked to the parish um and a handful of other community members about how you know we could be a resource and a destination for some of those those community events too just to foster a you know a better sense of belonging in the community so um I think that's that's just a catching you up on where we've been um you want to hop in next yeah I'll I'll introduce our parking engineer um which might give us a chance to move to that item but before we do um we know that uh we've talked about the security plans we've talked about adjusting where entries are and those sorts of things um the one thing that we'll we know we have to solve we can only solve for it at construction or after construction is sound level management and so somewhere in the our application and in our conversations with staff we've addressed hiring a third-party consultant that is approved by the village and reviewed by The Village so that the village gets the data and can verify that decel levels outside of the that there isn't noise coming out of the venue that's beyond the I think we're working on a a number that's equivalent to a conversation you and I talking here without the benefit of the microphone um and that way whatever sound is is coming out isn't disturbing anyone in the neighborhood if sound is coming out at all and again that's only a limited days and times that that would ever even happen in the first place but to be verified by actual Engineers with the construction both at

Demolition and during construction so that modifications to the space can be made at that time so that's a the one sort of ubiquitous thing we can't study until we actually do the work uh on it but it's a commitment done its commitment we know will be adhered to um and so if I could introduce Alexandria if that's okay uh she's prepared a little presentation we've we engaged gra engineering to uh study the parking demand and um she she can walk you through that and see if she's hearing everything I think it's on Zoom so yeah flower she'll let you know all right thanks everyone so as Sheldon said my name is is Alex modal I lead our traffic Engineering Services Group at graef um which is headquartered in Milwaukee um so Sheldon had reached out to us and asked us to do this this parking and traffic study so um we will uh quick overview talk about the development very briefly just to get everybody on the same page as to what we were looking at as far as um traffic and trip generation and parking demand um and then go through the study that we did and then really it's broken down into trip generation which is what traffic we expect this development will be generating um and then the parking components of that so um just to get kind of everybody on the same page we do we're looking at kind of three components of this there's the concert venue um the bar in the restaurant and then the upstairs event space um the maximum capacity if there were to be a a combined event or a larger concert would be kind of that 750 um person threshold um without needing any additional permissions or

anything um the typical concert that would likely occur is probably 90 to 100 times a year um that 75 to 90% attendance occupancy you know so if we're looking at a concert venue space of 550 to 750 people typically your average concert would probably have about 500 people in attendance is is what we use concerts and events could happen at any time but primarily evenings and weekends you know the latest would be around 11:00 p.m. or so you know an event that would occur from 7 to 11: um when there are not events they do anticipate that the bar and restaurant will be open to the public for use um but when there are events going on on that the bar and restaurant would really be primarily serving any concert or event attendees that you wouldn't have kind of both occurring the same place okay so the study method sorry just to interrupt just those are she's going through her assumptions that she used for the study I know there will be conversation here from the commission as to what is and isn't part of the operating hours and the capacities and stuff but wanted to be sure she explained where that study was based on so that there's no misunderstandings about her CS versus where you land sorry no I don't think you should I want you to be like oh and then their hours are going to be X we still have a whole meeting to get through for that am rager no yes these are the things that we used in order to develop yes thank you I should have given that background uh when we're doing these these studies we have to have some assumptions General understanding of when things are likely to occur so these are preliminary programming information that we use in order to determine what that generation would be you know for

example we would not be looking at trip generation at 10:00 a.m. on a Tuesday because there will be no traffic at that point so we want to understand when that traffic is likely to occur to understand how it's going to impact the roads in the city in the community so and that's it if any of you have any questions at any point feel free to stop me and ask um so really this the the study boils down to kind of two pieces we start with how much traffic is going to be generated um and then where it's going to go so start with trip generation and then we talk about the parking okay so because there's three different uses really for this and three kind of different potential scenarios we broke this down and looked at traffic in three different ways so what's scenario one is just our standard run-of-the-mill concert that you would expect to have under most conditions scenario two is going to be that rare maximum capacity event and then scenario three is just no event just the bar and restaurant when we look at programming for an event like this or for a space like this we typically estimate between one and a half and two people per vehicle coming in so we want to convert how many people are coming into how many vehicles that's actually coming right because not everybody drives alone so we use 1.8 um it's a little bit more conservative than assuming that every car has two people so um we also looked at an assumption of 20% of those trips would be a ride share service like an Uber or ayt or other car pooling shared shared use um but we did not take any reductions for pedestrian bicycle Transit trips at

this point um and that's really just to kind of show that more conservative kind of worst case scenario you know maybe in the winter people aren't going to be walking or biking as much as during a summer concert so um wanted to to not take that reduction but keep in mind that it's certainly you know a downtown area where there are connections to various trails and bike facilities and Transit routes um the other thing that we looked at is what the peak hour of the roadway is and so what that means is when we look at what is the traffic on Silver Spring right now when is the busiest period of the day and down here we have this curve that shows um that the highest volume of traffic is happening at that 5:00 hour you know where where are we seeing the most amount of traffic and are we concerned that there's going to be this major influx of traffic on the street in advance of these events with events starting typically probably around 7 p.m. or 7:30 you know a little bit later than that the general nature of an event like this is that everybody kind of arrives at one time they stay for the duration of the event and then they leave so you have that influx of traffic maybe half an hourish before an event and then afterward you know half an hour to an hour and then after an event you see see the out influx out outflux um so we're not really conflicting with the peak hours of the roadway traffic that when this traffic is likely to occur is expected to be after the roadway peak hour so some of that congestion won't be as concerning okay so the actual trip generation there's a lot of numbers on here let look at the red the numbers highlighted in Red so for our pm and Saturday events we expect about the same

amount of traffic we're looking at about 280 incoming trips and then 60 outgoing trips so those numbers right there and that's the 60 outgoing would be that 20% of your Uber trips right so if we've got uh you know 500 people at 1.8 Vehicles 1.8 people per vehicle you go through all of that math that's where you get the 280 trips account for any bar and restaurants usage that might be overlapping with the concert venue um and then the 20% um impact 20% adjustment factor for the ride share so that would still be an incoming trip but then it would also be an outgoing trip that doesn't need to park okay so 280 is kind of you know that that General typical scenario that we're looking at scenario two where we have the maximum capacity 750 people we're looking more at 420 and that's just because of the increase in total people coming to the event and then when there's no event and it's just the restaurant open they expect about 20 total right so very very low use in that in that case any questions on the trip generation part of it before we move into the parking analysis are we doing questions or sorry no okay sorry um okay so parking analysis what we did um we looked at kind of two perimeters so when you do a parking analysis you look at something that's maybe a quarter of a mile one block um a two-minute walk you you set that boundary based on the location so we went with one block um surrounding the location itself more or

less um you know so we included up to Bowmont for the alley on the North side since that's still fairly commercial we did not go one block South um past Silver Spring we only went to the alley um for that one block radius um and we go through and we look at how many spaces are provided within that one block radius and here we can see that there's 239 total spaces and those are public use spaces at either on street or in a public use lot okay um a couple things I want to note this map does show um all of the the parking restrictions in terms of um 2hour parking one hour parking no parking or you know from until 6: p.m. or 10: p.m. the parking within this area is all metered until 6:00 p.m. so again when this traffic is likely to arrive and occur is after those rest rtion so all of this parking should be usable for event attendees we also look at a secondary perimeter which might be you know three to five blocks away a half mile away minim maximum of like 10 minutes walking that that would be a additional people are okay typically walking from that space so you can see in blue is the one block perimeter that we had initially looked at and then um surrounding that is additional additional public spaces so in this secondary area we have an additional 360 spaces which brings our total if you anybody remembers from the last slide to 599 total spaces in the one block and secondary areas

okay Alex in that secondary perimeter did you include any residential parking I go back let go back to slides this is just clipping forward there okay thank you um sorry repeat your question in the secondary perimeter you you talked in the the one half block or the primary perimeter you didn't include residential can you speak to that in the secondary so this one you'll see we did not go any further south into the secondary area um we maintained kind of that that alley limit um so the the and then as you go further north and uh and East um again we're kind of on the the perimeter of where things start to transition from more commercial into residential but we did not include any spaces that were purely residential areas just homes and and private private streets um and that's to show that there is enough parking we want to show the parking Supply that is available without impacting any residential areas okay so there's nothing that would necessarily prohibit them from parking in those areas but we want to show what the supply is of just the the supply in the more commercial area correct we'll get there so that was that was not considered a we did have it initially included in there and then we actually moved that to a private lot and we're going to talk about the private Lots in a minute so yes that is not included in there right now yeah and I'll I'll just speak to that now if that's okay um so the village looked at that um Aurora currently offers that as public parking honestly as a Goodwill

gesture we could not find anything in writing um through their conditional use permit or otherwise that required them to keep that par to be public in the evening hours and out of an abundance of caution we didn't want to include that assumption in the modeling and then for them to change their mind at some point in the future and for us to not have adequate parking um so right now we know that that exists we have no reason to believe aora is going to change that but we wanted to be very conservative in how we looked at parking knowing that it's very important to the community and so it's for that reason we pulled it out thank you okay so our total supply of public Loot and on Street spaces in commercial areas is 599 spaces then we go through and do an occupancy study with in the one block perimeter that that initial blue area and we see how many of those spaces are actually occupied versus unused we do that each hour from whatever the time periods are so for this this study we did a Thursday we did a Tuesday and a Thursday in January um from noon until 8 so at noon at 1 at two we count how many cars are parked in those 239 spaces and then we did two Saturdays from 300 p.m. till 8:00 p.m. and so you can see here uh this occupancy um really drops off after 5:00 p.m. um you know you got your about a third of those spaces on your weekdays and a little less than half of the spaces on a Saturday are parked um used and then it just continues to drop off you know so if we're looking at

traffic arriving between 6 and 7 um you know your parking utilization is all you know about a third of it is occupied leaving 2third of those 240 spaces available okay so this table shows kind of the numbers of how many are how many spaces within that one block area are available so you know between six and seven you're looking at 130 to 180 spaces available of of the 240 that are available in the primary area so again this is just just that primary one block area okay all right so now the parking demand how much are we actually going to need right so if you think back to the trip generation that we were looking at we had said initially there would be um you know for your standard event we would have this kind of 280 trips that we're expecting coming in we expect 20% of those would be ride share that doesn't need to park so the remaining 80% would need to park so we're looking at about 220 spaces parking spaces needed for this development on a typical event night so if you think back to our occupancy within the one block area we had about 150 give or take that would be available and then in the secondary area which is an additional 360 spaces that remaining you know 70 or so from this demand would be able to to find spaces a little bit further away potentially okay within that 8 to 10 walking 8 to 10 minutes walk in okay now looking at the the maximum capacity scenario you know a couple times a year that with a

parking with a trip generation of 420 and then 20% ride share we would need about 330 parking spaces so if you think back to our our one block radius we had about 150 or so from that 40 available so looking at a little under 200 that may need to use the secondary area of which there are 360 spaces so it's a whole lot of numbers that I just threw at all of you hard to keep some of that straight um but essentially what this is showing is that the primary and secondary area do have the supply to accommodate the demand from all of this okay now in addition to this Supply we did look at some additional shared parking agreements so that is where we would bring in the Aurora lot um as well as some other private Lots in the area so we already talked about Santa Monica Dominican High School um sendic a little bit further to the west and then there's East and then there's also a development to the West um that has some re some some spaces available and I know that the team has been in communication with them about getting special agreement in place to use that parking during any of those rare events where parking might be more of a concern so um certainly you know you can see here that I think there's that's another 500ish spaces in total um that would be available to accommodate additional needs and you know all of that can be done through information on the website about where people should be parking what the parking options are um you know FAQs and things like that about plan your visits um okay so I just wanted to wrap things

up with kind of how this all relates to the municipal Co code um typically for a development you would have a study like this done to determine what the parking demand would be and then a development may need to provide that amount of parking um understanding that parking lots aren't necessarily the greatest generators of excitement and revenue and aren't the best use of space for many communities there are some conditions that you can you know reductions or considerations that we can have and So within the municipal code there are several um you know the historical conditions it was a much larger theater you can talk about what parking was available there in the past and you know the use not being all at once um but just in general this was an area that did have a lot of people coming to and from the location um similar s site parking demand so that's another thing what do venues like this in other places typically provide how are how is that done um and so you this from a previous presentation that the Argo has done they did have kind of a map showing um a variety of different venues um so if you look at several of the ones that are of a similar size the cerid bavarium shanal um none of those have significant parking and are in relatively urban areas as well um I think the cdge has a small small little surface slot with maybe like 25 or 30 spaces um but shenal narium do not have any parking lots available um so you know there are other facilities like this in our area that have similar situations um the share parking that is obviously something that they are actively pursuing right now and there is um a wealth of options available um to to work with um and then last the alternate transportation we did not take into account any reductions for people

who walk or bike so particularly in the nicer weather months you may see a a big reduction um in people walking and biking and just being out and about downtown so if you would like to open I don't know so the discussion is actually with the commission and then there'll be a point in time for the public to Blast Away um that's a so in inclusion we have enough parking in conclusion yes there's parking hey this is slightly off the subject but maybe a a a item that you may have some expertise in um there are you you had accounted for 20% of the rides coming from ride share um that may be low or high we don't really know um is are there any metrics for which to figure out how many spaces you need for ride share options there's a couple maps in the conditional use permit that suggest I don't know four places is there is there any math calculus that can be done to explain like oh you're going to need eight spots for ride share you know um there you could do a queuing and operations I mean so your your bigger drop off is pretty easy it's pick up because they get there and they're waiting for you right so you know as you drop off a ride share vehicle is going to come to the door drop you off or maybe even a couple blocks away they'll drop you off somewhere else and then you walk the last block or two so um queuing in circulation is really not much of a problem during drop off time um where you are looking at you know how many spaces would you want that's something that you think about more so during pickup where maybe your you know the vehicles are waiting for people to come out um and there aren't I mean you can

do you can do a doing study to look at how long it it takes on average for people to get picked up but necessarily how many spaces are provided is is really site specific yeah I'm just curious if there was any rule of thumb but I guess not um are there any of commissioner questions about the parking study yeah I got a few things really uh Alice nice presentation you might have showed 15 slides but we plan Commissioners have 40 pages that go deeper on parking so I know I know it's on and on and on and all all I can say is that the people that work at graef Alex and Ben and Andre did a superb job in their study so they probably work with you and commend them when you when you see them uh I've got a couple points really for the front table for Kelsey sorry you've done your job my job easy yeah let me go to Kelsey first so in the village board overview of a week or two ago you talked about similar operations in westben and in St Charles Illinois did you analyze parking at those and what kind of conclusions did you come up with do they have ample parking in public Lots right behind the facilities or are they similar on a on a community Street situation with houses close by yeah um so we have specifically looked at those two locations because there's residential nearby um in the case of Westbend there's a lot of Apartments actually on top of and and next door um in St Charles as well a very dense area so I talked to both of

them about parking um and both of them have said it's a challenge um actually cited it as the biggest challenge which is the reason we wanted to make sure that we were studying it as thoroughly as possible so in the case of Westbend they as a community have completely revised their Downtown parking um as a result of not just that use but also the restaurants their scope in how they did that was actually really focused on convenient parking or trying to make sure that all of the businesses have access by trying to encourage the folks living in the apartments and the business owners and those employees to be parking further out so they've actually essentially pushed parking into residential areas and further out to try to keep the spots on Main Street as open as possible for the business customers um in the case that's not really the same dialogue we're having here what we're hearing is more the concern about parking in the residential areas um so just a bit of a different lens in the case of St Charles they have done they've actually done a lot of cell phone data to try to figure out where people are parking and perhaps that's something gra looks at as well um but to look at where people are parking what businesses they're visiting um to try to respond um as much as possible but at the end of the day they've said that arcing is a challenge but not so much from the residential areas they hear it in terms of people having to walk to the business and not wanting to walk as far as possible so no one exactly the lens that I'm hearing here in White Fish Bay but I have been asking the questions okay well thank you speaking of parking in the residential areas Berkeley and dersy are the two streets that I think are going to be impacted the most by any of your concert venues and some of the residents from those streets were here at the last village board meeting

and they one lady expressed a concern as I listened to the 2hour and 45 minute presentation at home and she said she can never park in front of her house because on weekends because of well activities in White Fish Bay now but this will really tie up tie up the uh the situation in front of her house so I don't know we have an answer on that today but at some point I think there needs to be some work between you and the Village Police Chief and figure out something Equitable and it could be that uh twice a month parking can be allowed uh from 6: to 10 on diversity and uh what's the other Street Berkeley Berkeley yeah and the other couple of Fridays and Saturdays uh no go or or or something to give the homeowners at least a little breathing room now two more little quicky um maybe three three things I real I read in your information that you figure your normal staff will be 10 people and then when you have events you bring in another 15 what about staff parking are they have you thought about that have you thought about telling them they've got a park six blocks away so it frees up spaces for for your customers yeah that's and a I would think a staff person coming is generally going to come in their own vehicle unless they take public transportation but they're not going to ride share with two or three people yeah correct um that is what we're doing with those other uh private

Lots we're trying to find one of those that are you know a decent way that we can have our staff actually Park on those places instead of taking up spots in the immediate area okay good deal the additional use as written would require that all employee parking would be in private Lots so it could be through off Street um through Sheldon's other spots or through other agreements I'm gonna rent out my front yard there you go there you know like state fair is that buried in here somewhere as a staff recommendation it's in the staff memo it's in it's ino in the parking section which Anna will go through shortly but that would be a requirement of the conditional use meaning that that would be enforcable they would have to require their employees to be parking in private Lots not in public okay two more things uh there are two parking spaces underneath the bont place a building the one to the east is very public the one to the West is marked and I drove by it today and it says permit parking so like long-term permit parking for the for the people that live upstairs no I think you might be referring to the business yeah one one one is one is anyone can park there the other is a 10hour lot isn't that 10- hour lot yeah yeah yeah uh and so that's primarily for employees along Silver Spring but I think that expires at yeah yeah I I am concerned though that your patrons will be confused by the signage maybe a little bit and try and park in there it might cause some problems with some of the other businesses and their their employees and

then the last thing is we talked about it tonight I I can't believe this didn't come up in the village board meeting on parking but Aurora if you haven't spoken Aurora yet you should go there to tomorrow I think that's the most prominent spot that any of your patrons are going to park at Short of on the street or in the back and if they're willing to cooperate with you terrific I'm all for it but you can't delay on that you've got to get an answer that conversation's been started we just don't have their commitment here tonight so you're yeah in the process already yes yes sir okay thanks Jo in case they're watching we didn't say you said [Laughter] anything Jane or Jay I have a a question um if with the venue um for even the 500 event or us the 750 event you may have Vans and um bus transportation where people might be coming in from Westbend or other communities or um students that would be coming together to see the to be part of the venue um is there space where those buses or Vans can pull up and load and unload just like the Uber or the lift um right now they would have to pull through if it's a bus that's dropping off let's say a uh a kids choir or something they want to do a performance or whatever they would have to probably on the back side of the building I if they I'm not sure if bus can really swing through there but would Mark at where they would be able to let out and then they would have to park in an offsite lot one of the ones that we would have a contract with and but I'm also thinking of um maybe people from St John's home that would want to come in a

van and be part uh be attendees yeah is there enough space in front of the Fox Bay that'll be um available where you people can safely pull off with um perhaps um Ada access I think we'd have to designate where that is I don't know if we've really defined that question yet I was going to say that is potentially the plan for the ride share pickup is is off Silver Spring to have some of those spots reserved okay and so maybe if especially if we know that you know some Ada NE requiring patrons are coming maybe we block those spaces early yeah it's so candidly it's a good question we we don't have the solution today but I think we'd be open to that and I guess the other question is um if Dominican is having a big event when you're having a big event on that Saturday or St Monica's can you coordinate with them as to what you're planning or um know what their schedule is so that as you're planning your your special events that it's coordinated yeah I think we should I I think part of the conditional use that we'll go through is definitely says any community events yeah it's in there yeah yeah I was thinking of I saw the community events but it sounded like they were White Fish Bay Village community events and not necessarily the private high schools yeah you're right you you are right it does say community events and maybe that's just something that we we make sure we work it was Fourth of July it was things that the village is sponsoring but not necessarily what Dominican High School might be doing I live right there oh and so I can say that um for example St Monica's they have a really big parking lot I don't right we I I never see any overflow from St Monica's um Dominican they will have events um but but they do have not one but actually two parking lots and then they they they overflow down my street

um primarily I'm I'm not really sure they go down U so that's Kent if anybody knows where I live um so there's a lot of traffic down Kent I don't think they go down Bay Ridge or Shoreland I think it's think it's going to be exponentially more that Saturday night that they have a big event and you have a big event all of us sudden we're talking about a thousand but according to the the for White Fish Bay yeah if that's the case that is the interesting thing in that um every street has a story right Kent we have um St uh Dominican um you go over to Hollywood and they have uh Stone Creek that's that you know every divers has Moxy right you know on and on and on um so yes I I guess that may answer some of the question questions if we have a lot of if we have two events happening it's we have two events happening yeah and what I can also say is there's nothing that precludes us from including the Dominican events we obviously don't you know they're trying to run a successful business here right and so we we don't want to be unnecessarily so adding events to that list but if there is one event that we know that the parking demand is significant then I think that's a great opportunity to work with them to make sure that their event that evening is is smaller situated well with that event so we've go ahead I was I was also just going to add depending on these events and it would depend on the nature of them we would love to host some of these too so that might solve both well true they're you know Dominican of course is you know school musicals and that kind of thing they have their own Auditorium musical could that's true um I think at this time we should have probably have Anna go through the meat and potatoes of oh another parking yes cap

parking I what is the because I forget what it was what that was like when it was still a theater what is the plan for handicap parking so we did we did identify the location the on Street spaces that are um classified as as Ada accessible so those are are just included in the inventory um I believe the inventory in your in the report that we submitted goes into much more detail as to where those are um summarize them for this I must have missed it I'm sorry thank you should Anna do you mind if I tee you up a little bit um so it's important to understand that the applicants have they submitted an application and then we have a number of Staff recommendations that Anna Anna will be going through we have worked in partnership with the Argo to develop those recommendations and to make sure that there's agreement um on essentially those terms it's it's essentially could be viewed almost like a contract uh and so what Anna is going to be talking about is what they as operators will be bound to so they're asking us for a conditional use so a use outside of what is um a use by right and so that means that with that comes requirements to make sure that they they play well with the neighborhood right like that they they're a suitable use in that space and so as Anna's going through these items just bear in mind these are items that we have worked through with the Argo and that would be a requirement of their operation essentially they are enforcable and if they don't abide by these requirements then it means that they would need to come back and meet with this group and there would um eventually if that happens enough then they would lose their conditional use or their rights to operate in the village um within this

purview so with that I just wanted to make sure everyone understood as you were going through Anna thank you want to check with Julie on parking we're good she she's got okay I'm very confident all right so for the purposes of the memo the applicants they are here before us tonight and that is the Argo LLC um and as Kelsey just said they submitted and staff has been reviewing their uh application the business lies within uh zoning District 11 which is the Silver Spring business district and therefore the business is subject to all applicable laws as dictated by the zoning District um it is important to note that the plan commission is to consider approving the maximum allowable standards hours of operation capacity Etc in order to prevent the applicant from having to return to the commission for modifications at a later date however given the unique use of the space a different approach may be warranted in this case it is for the reason that staff has been uh meeting with the applicant to present to you tonight A Balan recommendation so for the purposes of the application the layout um the applicant as has already been stated is proposing um a fleux event space entertainment venue in bar and restaurant and as you can see the Blue Area indicates what in the application is the entertainment venue this is the the former projection room where the balcony is proposed on the second floor and then also the main uh theater area the bar and restaurant area is defined as the former Grill area and entrance and that is highlighted in the green and then the event space area is

defined as the former second floor tiered seating and that is being proposed to be leveled and that is in the pink area on the screen for hours of operation um the applicant is proposing um that the hours be agreed upon for the bar and restaurant and that um they are proposing 10:00 a.m. to midnight Wisconsin State Statute allows establishments with a valid liquor license to operate until 2 or two :30 staff is recommending that it is Wednesday through Sunday from 8:00 a.m. to guest out of the building by midnight for the entertainment venue the applicant propos Friday and Saturday ticketed events only from 7 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. and all other days open until 10 p.m. staff is recommending Friday and Saturday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and all other days from 8:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. as for the event space hours of operation the appc propose Monday through Sunday with the hours being dependent upon the event with guests being out by 12:00 a.m. staff's recommendation is that Monday through Sunday the hours be from 8:00 a.m. to guess out of the building by midnight the applicant is free to apply for a liquor license after said conditional use is approved and the changes to these operating hours once agreed upon would require an amendment to the conditional use permit by plan commission approval in terms of capacity um the entertainment venue in rare instances when events would sell out the max would be 750 the event space capacity is 200 and the bar and restaurant capacity is 150 the applicant

is proposing that there will never be more than 750 combined guests at the same time in the second floor event space and entertainment venue unless permission is granted in advance by The Village staff is recommending and the applicant agrees that there shall be no more than 750 people excluding employees in the building at any given time this encompasses all three venue spaces as well as any anciliary spaces such as bathrooms and security check areas this recommendation is subject to the Provisions below that the applicant May exceed a combined 750 people excluding employees one time per year with written approval from the village manager at least two weeks prior to the event the applicant must demonstrate adequate off Street private parking for all users above 750 through an agreement with nearby parking facility owner or owners the parking ratio to be used uh is one parking Stell for every 1.8 users which we had just previously discussed with the trip Generation The Village reserves All rights to deny this request for any reason including but not limited to security parking or noise issues the maximum ticket sale quantity for the entertainment venue shall be submitted to the village for administrative review and approval based on the final occupant load determined by the state building and fire codes prior to the issuance of a final occupancy permit when other large community events are taken are taking place in the village which we had just previously discussed that it's and noted is artfest Sounds of Summer Holiday Stroll and Fourth of July no events over 200 persons may occur in the entertainment venue or event space or a combination of

the two spaces without prior written approval of the village The Village will provide the applicant with a list of these events by January 5th of each calendar year the applicant shall develop a system for counting the number of users present at the site at any given time this system shall be subject to the approval of the village manager the system for counting users present at the site shall be accurate and shall be repeated as often as necessary to at the discretion of the village manager confirm compliance with the user limits in the conditional use permit the applicant shall provide ticket sales numbers in writing to the Village at least 48 hours prior to all events over 550 and when requested by The Village as for Safety and Security the applicant is proposing appropriate security Staffing levels for small medium and large events metal and AI assisted detecting screening technology will be used at points of Entry security cameras for emergency crowd and crowd management are also being proposed addition Ally the applicant is proposing that three security staff be located outside when patrons are leaving following an event staff recommends that the applicant submit a detailed security plan to the police chief for review and approval prior to final occupancy and annually by January 1st thereafter the police chief May recommend amendments or deny the plan if it does not adequately address public safety concerns but must but may not unre reasonably withhold condition or delay approval the applicant must follow the approved security plan at all times failure to obtain annual approval or to adhere to the SEC security plan shall result in plan commission review and possible revocation of the conditional use permit the applicant agrees to reimburse the

village for any extraordinary Security expenses resulting from the applicants operations under this conditional use permit as for noise the applicant is proposing that inside the venue at the front of house mixing station Peak sound levels would be 90 to 105 DB SPL sound pressure level the applicant is proposing that noise pollution in sound level will be verified as Sheldon has already said by a third-party consultant or engineering firm the applicant is also proposing to install noise level monitoring devices behind the building the the applicant is proposing that if any noise escapes the building it be limited to no louder than that of normal conversation which is 55 to 65 DB given the close proximity to residential property staff recommends and the applicant agrees that noise will not exceed 65 DB SPL at the property lines in 105 DB inside the venue at the front of the mixing station staff recommends and the applicant agrees to hire a cell consultant or engineering firm acceptable to the Village prior to any building issuance the submitted building plans will demonstrate Implement implementation of the recommendations from The Sound consulting firm additionally to ensure sound does not exceed the 65 DB at the property line prior to the issuance of an occupancy permit the applicant agrees to conduct a sound test by the sound consulting or engineering firm and provide the village with the results chapter 16 require yeah so I I I think I'm gonna just highlight the you're gonna okay yes yep those were the

big concerns so that's perfect um for any changes being done the app in terms of signage the applicant is going to be required to go to Arc as for any interior alterations that they're proposing that applicant is going to be required to meet with Joel and adhere to any state of Wisconsin Northshore fire department and norshore health requirements for outdoor seating The Village uh or the applicant proposed uh total of uh 50 or 32 seats however um on the layout uh they showed 10 and staff is proposing um and recommending approval that they uh have a capacity of 10 as reflected in the layout and they would um be able to operate the outdoor seating from 8:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. in terms of the alley the alley um they are going to be using the alley for deliveries and no deliveries um shall occur between the hours of 1000 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. and they are also to adhere to the the ordinance that is already in place in section 8-12 that prohibits machine noise uh within 50 ft of occupied structures as for entrance locations everyone will exit out of the main entrance on Silver Spring Drive and then for parking requirements as we have discussed um the there are roughly 360 additional spaces within an 8 minute

walk and within the one block analysis 160 spaces staff did their own um parking requirements and found that 306 or 39 spaces would be required for parking and previously um the plan commission can bypass the parking requirements as Allowed by section 16-21 F based on the availability of parking identified and the parking analysis performed by graef furthermore staff recommends that all bus and delivery vehicle parking at all times when not actively loading or unloading must be off Street and offsite and bus and delivery vehicle parking may not Park in any public Lots or spaces or in the surface parking lot behind 312 East Silver Spring in terms of enforcement um for the conditional use application it is enforced through 16-16 chapters 19 or chapters 9 and chapters 18 and as well as general penalty provisions of chap chap 17 violations of the code may be addressed through prosecution in municipal or Circuit Court as appropriate in the form of actions for Equitable or injunctive relief for forfeitures as set forth in the code without limitation this conditional use permit restricts the applicant's hours of operation to the extent greed upon by the applicant pursuant to the terms of this conditional use permit and there are further recomend recommendations um that the conditional use permit is not transferable without

the consent of the village consent shall not be unreasonably withheld delayed or conditioned the assign shall be subject to all terms of this conditional use permit those are the highlights for the enforcement and recommendations if you have any more questions I can dive further into details as king p jles uh the one question that that it seemed that was a difference between the applicant and the recommendation was the outdoor seating and how uh you had requested 32 but the but the number in the diagram only had room for 10 what what are your comments on on that or what's your number yeah we were we were going to remove those uh the ticket booth and the VES that's in there or on either side we're not doing that anymore so um the front of the building will pretty much remain the same so that's why we don't have those more seating so we could still fit in 10ish if we want to um but it's not a requirement to have the 32 anymore Goa so you're good with the recommendation that's all yep great they they've reviewed everything in this I mean that being said there was room for four tables was it five five tables five of five tables of two which seems a little small um does it make sense I mean is that a two is that a you know a high top that you expect to be there or may be more of like a coffee shop kind of like side kind of two top kind of thing I mean I just I don't want to handcuff you with 10 people if there's going to be five tables that like you know is there a point for us to have a limit of 10 on the actual conditional use or if we made it I I think we ought to make it 20 because then you could have four people at each of those tables

how I mean the space is the space right these are these are tables that are on their property correct yeah not because they blend together as you I mean I'm I'm just thinking about the Bay has two tables of sixs there's already 12 people and you have much more room yeah they always cram them together too I always notice that so I I would suggest the the conditional use permit when we eventually talked about it that instead of 10 it'd be 20 I don't think that's gonna make yeah we' appreciate that thank you any other questions from the Commissioners on this Jay looks like you're ready to no okay um first I want to say excellent job um I mean this this is the longest traditional use permit I've seen in my five years doing this um excellent job in terms of flushing out all the details working with the community working with staff coming up with reasonable things that it sounds like you are agreeing to so that's good and that's that's what a a motion will be for later tonight is right it's to adopt to adopt this this yes sir couple little things uh soon really on the capacity noise security safety side my biggest concern is just what happens when you bring in young people from Milwaukee that typically have gone to the eagle club or shank hall or they're not from White Fish Bay yeah I mean we we here in this room are residents and we'd like to keep it white fish Bish uh but how are you going to deal with that that crowd how are you going to tell them in advance when they buy a ticket that they have to queue on the street uh how are you going to tell them where to park is that all going to be

very Vivid in your website yeah definitely on the website it's definitely going to be a part of our ticket package so working through signing on our ticket provider now which won't reveal that just yet um won't be Ticket Master for our last meeting uh but that will be part of getting your ticket we'll show you things like where you can park you know telling you a bit about the area um part of I think part of this just to touch on a couple things from our last two meetings ago one is our programming um you know we we are working with a a talent buyer to make sure we're bringing acts that are favorable to the community that are music acts that that we frankly want to see um it's not going to be well I don't know do I want to go down this rabbit hole no no it's not going to be unsavory acts let's put it that way um but that's I think that's one thing is making sure we're booking the caliber of artists that we want to promote at our club is is going to have a direct impact on who's coming to the shows right um yeah I was just going to say that the caliber Act is going to really like we're a premium space and that's who we want to book and that's who we want the people become um you know nothing against the Eagles Ballroom or anything like that that they have a space in the market and we are trying to be something that's not that and so we work very hard to bring the right right a in also make sure when you walk in you you feel it too you're like wow this place is really like plush and fun so the idea is to really make sure that you're focusing on those those people first opposed to just booking whatever you know so not not only that but something that would benefit us versus a Eagles for examp I mean there's a lot of space in front of their in front of their

entryway we don't we wouldn't have that issue because we're it that's right on the street you go to a show with the you know the Eagles Ballroom and there's you know tons of open space right in front of right in front of their entry and since this would be right on the street I don't see that would being too much of an issue I think another another important point is in the security plan that that Adam specifically laid out with law enforcement is we're committing to having some of our security Personnel outside the venue as patrons are exiting to make sure that Crowds Are are under control that we're not creating a public nuisance so even though you know we do want to welcome people from other neighborhoods and other other locations throughout Milwaukee we're going to do our part to make sure that they're not having a negative impact on the community well I totally realize yeah you want to invite other other people from greater Milwaukee land here that's wonderful is they queuing down the street towards Starbucks there are a couple other storefronts there that might be open into the evening and I think you've got to do your due diligence to speak with everybody and make sure that the lines the queue doesn't upset their customers coming and going at nighttime yeah that's and some yeah yeah so the the Que in location actually changed um the week's run together it was last week right late last week um based on conversations um with the bont residents they've actually met twice I believe in person and have really worked hard to incorporate their feedback into this proposal um so with that switch late last week I called I looked at the the operating hours for all the businesses between Fox Bay theater and Starbucks and the one that I

anticipate to be be impacted the most that is opened is dyar and so I did talk to Joy the operator of dry bar and she um was pretty quick in that phone call to give some potential solutions that they were receptive to um and I'm sure we actually have um the executive director of bid here as well I'm sure she'd be happy to speak to it um but the sentiment that I heard at bid and again I don't want to speak too generally for that group was that there's a desire to have you know another member of their business community and to have that activity and they realize that there will be some challenges in the way of parking and people queuing in front of those businesses um but the desires to work through those those challenges to come to come up with a solution good I was also just going to add you you'll see in the conditional use we were specifically generous with the the option to open the entertainment space early so if Q's if lines ever got long which we really don't anticipate we we're reserving the right to move people into our space early so come on in and have a drink while you clate weather exactly so I see in the audience here a few faces that do not appear to be 30 years old I guess what I want to encourage you to consider is activities for those that are 60 plus whether it's two movies a month or ballroom dancing or something that's just not necessarily for the crowd of 20s and 30s I mean that's what helps make it more White Fish Bay in nature yeah yeah we plan to do those those events just like that already been talking about some of those actually yeah yeah well I'm hearing you say yes but I I hope there's some depth to that oh oh absolutely yeah we plan to do movie Nights we plan to do

um swing dancing nights we plan to do anything from a a bingo night to a meat raffle uh I mean we we kind of have all kinds of things up our sleeves to kind of incorporate any of that into our either space either it's the main room or even the restaurant or upstairs Kevin can I ask a couple of questions oh absolutely sorry everyone that I'm not there in person I got sick and didn't want to get anybody else sick um I just wanted to follow up on something in the materials that included the pledge to reimburse for Extraordinary Security expenses and wanted either the village staff or the applicant to explain is that is that for Village Police Department overtime or extra Staffing based on large events or is that referring to something else entirely so how this has been handled in the past is through our special event permit um so essentially if if someone like The JCC is having an event where additional staff resources are needed to make sure that that event operates in a safe and secure way then those entities are build for that time um that's spent and Anna I'm sure can provide more details if there's lots of questions but that's the way we envision this it's not the routine day-to-day um functions it's more if there's a larger event or or anything where we would be having to station officers there or do something out of the ordinary that we wouldn't do for a typical business then in that case they would be um built for those expenses and the hope would be that either you would call us and say hey we need some help for this thing it's coming up or we'd call you and say hey we think you need some help and you don't disagree with us you know exactly it's really all in good faith you know so totally less less of a question oh I'm so sorry Julie go ahead Julie um no I just I really appreciated

that commitment of the applicant and I think that you know goes a long way to addressing some of the concerns about safety and I I think this sounds like a really interesting venue and hope it would bring people from all over and different kinds of events and that it's a welcoming place so thank you for those commitments and answering my question thank you thank you J I'm sorry let's have a question and more of a comment on the section about community events um I mean I can't speak for for everyone but um I think it would be a great thing I mean I get Fourth of July and Sounds of Summer but I think it would be a great I think you know how good would it be if for example there's some sort of a musical act that's doing a Christmas show the night of or holiday show the night of Holiday Stroll or something that is related to um uh you know something related to you know the the art show that that we're that we're starting to do once a year I think that it it's it's and again these are things that I'm sure that you you guys are thinking of but I want us to you know to to start thinking along those lines of this is something that can be really good in addition to the things that go on here um so I I that's while I understand why we're putting that in the conditional um use permit language uh I I I would hope that if they come to us with these requests I would you know assuming this you know all goes through that that is something that we as a village would would really take into consideration because it could be a good addition to the things that we're doing yeah we we completely agree

um so this is a perfect opportunity to point out that you write contracts for the worst case scenario right for for operators that aren't meeting with neighbors that aren't artworking in good faith and this is an example of that we have two events Sounds of Summer and Fourth of July where we know we do not want them to have a large event because we have staff resources through our Police Department where we need them to be committed to other places but then there's also these events that are offered through um the Civic Foundation but also mostly through bid that are on Silver Spring that the times actually work out really well they can have their daytime event and then hopefully there can be a great event at the Argo after that really coincides or works well um with that event but in speaking to Lexi um who's the executive director of the bid we just want to make sure that when they're having those events given that the street in some cases will be blocked off that all the events are working in Partnership and so the intent is they go to Lexi they say hey we want to host this event that works really well with your um Sip and Shop event and Lexi says yes she tells the village and and we sign off on it but we just want to keep that Synergy between bid the bus and the businesses on that Corridor and so that's really why we wrote it it's it's a belts and suspenders Arrangement but we don't anticipate issues yeah picky bagging picky backing on the marketing side across the street in the summer is the farmers market it'd be marvelous if you'd go over there with some coupons or discount offers uh to hand out and encourage people to come especially to the your restaurant venue likewise Council Commons I can see maybe you Tak in one of your performers on a Saturday night have them put on a little 10-minute concert on the stage there to get some excitement built up in the village yeah so use what's right in your

neighborhood unplugged Yeah couple a couple other little points for Newland just uh can I ask how long is the lease yes that was submitted to the village and uh it'll be a part of I suppose it's going to be part of some conversation anyway in terms of this timing for the assistance and things but it it 10 10 years after we finished construction really wow that's long so is there a basement in the building there there is some storage under some parts of the building and there is some underground parking under some part of the building there a whole underground parking line I know that right okay and then just a a thought a tip when it comes to spending 7.3 million The Village thought it was 7.5 million May maybe you can hold back a little bit on what you spend the first year uh you're going to build a balcony but maybe you don't need to finish it maybe this patio can be deferred for a year maybe uh that fancy door in the back can be wait you can hold on on putting that in place I'm just giving you some thoughts that this construction project doesn't have to all be finished day one I don't think you'll have plenty of time in 10 years to work on some other improvements so if cash becomes an issue it just watch it and we'll be happy as long as it says Fox Bay and Argo somehow or another appreciate that it's our Our intention to to obviously do the whole project as submitted and finish all of that work in a first class manner uh according to all of the Code Compliance all done right away so we aren't having a sort of partial experience that the

goal is to really impress people from day one with the entire thing uh as intended that's the plan we're counting on business success to follow to to follow well this is the part of the meeting that where it was titled a public hearing and so it is incum upon anyone in the audience who would like to speak if you could come up to the podium here and state your name and address there's another Podium over there if you'd like to be on deck if anyone else would like to speak after gentlemen I just needed the exercise my name is Phil himl farb I'm a resident of the bont property right behind where the construction will be and where the building will be uh and I do want to say uh that I'm also a member of a group at bont that we Loosely call ourselves citizens of bont so we're very interested of course we would be what goes on in our neighborhood especially of the south side of our building um and I would say that it's probably fair to say that the citizens of bont who have thought long and hard about this and have had multiple meetings including the management of the uh Mandel properties themselves are very much in favor of this project so I wanted to make that clear that we have met with uh Sheldon we've met the me with the members of the uh group are doing this work uh we've been at these meetings and I think that where there have been issues that we have

raised um of things that were important to us that had not been included or addressed in the original planning uh we were able to work it out uh amicably and I I want to commend the people who were from the Argo group and Sheldon uh and the Mandel management as well as the citizens of bulot who all have worked together and we have a very uh a very nice uh situation where we're all talking to each other and we're all pleased with the results of these conversations I have a small question to ask and this is about uh the noise and and this is I think there might be a discrepancy somewhere but I do recall in the presentation I heard tonight that there will be no noise uh until 6: am in the morning uh deliveries correct deliveries pardon me for deliveries pre- pre- delivery it's deliveries Del right and we have that issue all the time uh but the there's a sign on the end of the alley uh on the Santa Monica side that says no noise until after 7 amm so it's important to us because we want to minimize the amount of noise uh particularly on the Southside people who are should not have to be awakened early or whose children should not have to be awakened so I urge you to check those that sign well let me let me just ask do you think you'll have any deliveries between 600 and s in the morning you think you'll be able to

comply with after 7 a.m. yes perfect we'll make sure in conditional use that it starts at 7 and to clarify the code prohibits machine noise from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. and by machine noise it it doesn't mean that somebody's back there doing something it would mean that somebody's got a truck idling because they're unloading it that would come that's machine noise and you can't do that before 6: am. mean s there's some special sign at 6 am is what the code says if there's a 7 AM sign that's for some other reason than what our code says it wouldn't shock me if it was 25 years ago put up that sign so I suppose but let's but let's just to pursue that beyond what I just said so I want to thank you all thank you Phil thanks Phil um I'm Jill Anderson I live 5715 North Lake Drive very close to the theater actually just a couple blocks away and I'm a member of the historic preservation commission Ken and I are here tonight I support the plans wholeheartedly for the Fox Bay um I do encourage you to research the history of the Fox Bay and the building uh a lot of information on the state Historic Society website uh you're in the book I marked it for you oh I won't yeah it's all good take a look at um it's a lot of history in the building and and I I I encourage you to take a look at that also the Mimi Bird collection at the Whitefish Bay Library lot of information there as well that she collected over the years I'm happy to hear that you intend to honor and respect the history that the iconic sign represents um it it really does represent something to the village and maintaining that White Fish Bay Marquee is important to a lot of people everyone I've talked to in my informal survey agrees that the Marquee should be kept

in place um two examples that that I thought about since the last meeting the Warner Theater downtown which is now the Milwaukee Symphony uh total renovation of that space um and totally renamed the different parts of the space uh but that historic Warner name was retained they put up a replica of the blade sign the historic um exterior looks much like uh the theater looked when it was when it was actually a movie theater and then all the concert and program information is on that Lit sign below so I think it's it's doable to keep that Fox Bay sign and and still promote your event events also the Ambassador Hotel underwent quite a renovation and they maintained the historic uh Ambassador Hotel sign and even though the restaurants the coffee shop the bar the bar have gone through several changes and several remodels and new names and everything they still kept that Ambassador Hotel that historic sign so there's examples I think of of in the community that has been done um two things that I that I noticed tonight there are two bus lines that come within a block of the theater the green line in the 14 Summerfest does a great job of promoting take the bus and telling you where the stops are and all of that I think maybe in your ticketing information that might not be a bad thing to do it's uh the green line is very direct um and brings people right in without having to park anywhere and speaking of parking there is that underground parking we have a car stored under there actually there might be a few empty spaces there for employees to to pull in there and park and then I'm curious what Argo means um I looked it up uh it's Jason ship in uh Greek mythology uh it was a constellation I guess the constellation has been broken into three constellations now so it's not really an official constellation anymore and I've got some Argo baking powder and cornstarch in my Tre so what

does it mean um okay it's a good one I think so um Argo was a sailboat that my grandparents um and my uncle built from scratch uh was in the 70s so I built from scratch um and my uncle Russ which he they might be on I don't know if they're on here today but um uncle Russ um his nickname was R and he was always running off doing something stupid and uh so they would always ask word Argo so they're trying to find a name for the boat and they're like we're going to call it Argo it spelled r/g so it wasn't full Argo so um long story short the boat ended up sailing the the uh Lake Erie and actually they sailed it all the way down to Florida where my grandmother actually hung out on a long time but the thing was always a beacon of just fun and a good time in my family so when I was looking to name what we're trying to do here is bring something fun and joyful to everyone to be in there and have a good time right let's call it the Argo so instead of rgo HE spell itgo um but also it's name the name of my dog too so and you're all Argonauts yeah yeah absolutely thank you very much appreciate it do you mind if I add one thing can people hear me in the room yeah we got co go ahead hi hi I'm Andrew C I'm I'm the third member of of the Argo team I just wanted to to chime in there um since I'm also our our director of marketing and a lot of uh community relations and things um to come so I really appreciate the the comment about the historical significance I think I I stood in that room a few weeks ago and talked about how our intent is to preserve history and build on top of that um I think you'll be very excited about things that we have coming we have been doing a lot of research uh I was taking notes on some of those venues you've talked about

in fact there are about 140 examples of uh venues just like this around uh the country that have have had you know this kind of blend of uh new use in in an old space so we're really excited to take some things that we've learned um the the other thing I'll add is uh even in the designs that you'll start to see creeping out in the next few months um we started to blend some of the history of the art deco uh Beginnings or end of Art Deco era into even our logo and and some of things like that so very excited to show all those things um and the last thing that that I want to add to to Adam's little story um when he's relayed this story I've heard it so many times to us he always talks about the Argo the ship uh or the boat as as a safe space a place that he felt like comfortable and and he always talks about it as like with his family as a community space so it's a fitting moner for what we're trying to bring here a safe space a place that can bring the community in and we can we have new experiences so wanted to add that and and thank everybody for um being here and and going through all this with us thank you state your name and address good evening everybody Kate valious 700 East Henry Clay stre Street Apartment 14 White Fish Bay just right down the street here um thank you for the continued opportunity to present the information to the village and allowing us for uh an opportunity to ask questions and share comments um I'm a little curious first of all that uh this signage on Silver Spring um already indicates this is a done deal says Argo coming in Fall 2025 now I'm a proactive person and I like proactive

projects but if this is not a done deal why is it being put out there that it is would it be better to perhaps say proposed coming in Fall 2025 just a question mostly for the village well I think I'll have to answer that because we're responsible for our own signage um we're optimistic we're trying to send a a message that we'd like to believe we're going to be coming in 25 I've proactively started doing some asbestos abatement inside of the building and trying to get ready for this and so we're hopeful that we can get this done and we'll have to take the signs down if we don't but the reason the signs say coming in 2025 is because we hope to be here in 2025 okay maybe it could be bre by to say you know hopefully or proposed proposed arrival in Fall 2025 um it's just a suggestion because if we're doing these meetings there is an opportunity that it's not going to be granted no question you'll find out in about 25 minutes okay um like I said it's it all sounds really good but there are a lot of things to be considered um so uh Joe thank you very much for bringing up some of the suggestions but um much of my concern has to do with the fact that I live right across the street from the previous White Fish Bay Women's Club and at the end of trying to extend their life in the village they started to rent out to all kinds of groups um different you know different events groups or whatever and the people who live directly in the area really had

no idea who they were renting to what their parameters were and there were all kinds of things that came up you can have proposed uh start and end times all you want but unless there's somebody truly there to monitor each and every event it is quite annoying to be up at midnight when these events were let out to uh be woken up by sound coming out of large birthday parties B mitzvas what whatever the events were it was very very annoying and we paid good money in this neighborhood not just for property uh private owners but for renting um not not a good thing so please do be exceptionally careful when you are considering who your events are going to be featuring okay um back to the uh parking I'm curious it a parking study was you know counting spaces done in January a lot different than doing parking spaces and counting in May or June I mean who's out on the streets at 2: in the afternoon randomly in January not a lot of people um the Peaks were talked about at being five and six and 7 o'clock or something but if there's a restaurant isn't the goal that people attending these events would not also come to the

restaurant before the event started so if the event started at 7:00 most people be like make an evening out of it go to dinner and a show well now you're suddenly bumping it up to arriving to the venue at 5:00 that directly conflicts the Peak parking arrival especially during the week um somebody just mentioned before about uh public transportation I take public transportation every day by choice I do not own a vehicle and I only take the green line White Fish Bay has one lane both ways Silver Spring those buses are already in competition queuing areas for drop off is going to be a huge issue a bus cannot move forward have you worked with MCTS on this no not yet okay please do because that is already going to really mess up MCTS schedule and people who are trying to get to work doctor's appointments other venues down the street Street or vice versa when they're coming back if they leave Bayshore and come down Silver Spring and they're interrupted westbound or eastbound I'm sorry that will also create a problem there's a doctor's office right across the street during the week this could have real concerns um

the I'm curious about the out outside seating what what is outside seating for there's just 10 seats for the bar restaurant space Maybe I think 20 I think was suggested yeah be like five tables the restaurant has five tables all similar to the bay or fites has tables so but I'm curious though is this being is this being presented as as an independent restaurant or initially all the things have been talked about is an indoor use facility there are three uses in the space there's a bar restaurant space the second floor is a meeting space wedding venue and then the indoor Theater concert venue the entertainment venue and when the concert venue is open 7 o'clock then the restaurant space is private is not hosting dinner for so it's not open for for business it's only open for the concert attendees but from 5 to 7 or hopefully for lunch it it's a bar restaurant when there's no show going on there's a bar restaurant there okay I I was just curious um and there was um mentioning of a proposal or maybe it was applied for um a potential late runtime for bar could you read that please do you want to go so pursuing the state statute an establishment can be open that holds a liquor license can be open till 2: or 2:30 but the village has proposed and the applicant has agreed to operate at the latest midnight and and that's by agreement it is not an ordinance or an imposition from the village because we can't do that yeah

and I I definitely agree with that because the last thing that this Village needs is a bar that stays open till 2:30 not in any way shape or form doesn't matter if you're living right around the area or not we do not need a bar that stays open till 2:30 we heard that and made the adjustment okay um and I apologize I totally forgot my glasses at home um so I'm using my phone um the the mentioning of you know you know like queuing or deliveries or something um again is is a really big concern especially place is rented for a wedding reception or a special event that has flower deliveries or something and a van pulls up and they you can have all the information you want posted on a website nobody's going to follow it you have a floral place that drives up and says I I have a I have a party here that I'm dropping off flowers for oh okay great right behind it Saturday afternoon busy busy time no matter what time of the year it is our cars County Transit whatever coming down the road now you mentioned you're not from the area so or are you are you all from the area he lives here now I do not but I'm moving here and I I live on the North side of Milwaukee's limits okay so really look at what this area is it's it's a village there's not a it's not downtown there's a complete

difference we have one main road you're looking at it marbor and Silver Spring and that is it that's the life blood of the village and when you start messing up with that that you're affecting everybody not just the people who live right around the area so please take all of that into consideration it's a wonderful thing that there is some a possibility of making use of this space but for the village especially for those of you who don't are looking at everything uh the concerns of the person who were talking about the parking they can't park in front of their house as it is this is really going to add to it if we're not really looking at all of this now it's going to cause a bunch of headaches down the road absolutely thank you okay thank you all very much by the way I good to see you again I do live within a block of your facility uh I look forward uh to a bar that doesn't have last call at 8:45 p.m. so thank you all right so you're from New Jersey I am I am all right so just a couple things uh commissioner sour thank you for uh bringing up the concerns of the uh Berkeley uh residents uh really appreciate it our concern is as people come to town from the west and it'll be a problem for conso on the East they're going to approach our signage is not sufficient they're not going to know where to park and the first thing that they're going to do is turn down Berkeley I don't even know if they'll make it to dersy but they they F well and it'll be in the other direction uh as I mentioned in a prior meeting our our signage is poor if you are coming from the west and you see the sign that says parking is on Console you could

probably drive to Fox Point before you see another parking sign as to where that may be now I know what you're saying you're saying oh there's buildings there but when you have a building and you have parking below it so that's what I would ask I was I was also here uh about a month or so ago uh and the parking study confirmed what I said then there is plenty of parking right if we need to O overspill occasionally on the local streets that's fine I do support the project I think it will be good for the neighborhood um I personally am hoping you have more events with seats uh than than you do without but you know uh I'm not the one who's got to be profitable um yeah the only other thing that I would say is and this is not a reason to go forward unless it's somewhere else in the parking study you're going to see significant more pedestrians Crossing Silver Spring you're going to see significant more left turns from the uh from the West that are going to they're going to tie up traffic uh so that would be something that uh that you may want to take a look at not not a reason not to move forward uh I'm all in favor of this project the only thing that I would ask I don't know if anybody can answer it if three months in this is so wildly successful and is impacting uh the quality of life potentially the property values of uh surrounding um homes in the neighborhood what is our potential recourse or must we wait until there's a reopening in this agreement speak to that Chris well the the plan commission has the ability at any time to take revocation action against a permit holder if if there are violations now also um we're going to be writing into some of the agreements including the conditional use um some standards uh that they need to abide by um or there would be enforcement actions taken so I'm not concerned about these gentlemen and the one on the phone

because they're all very nice guys although you did meet with the Bowmont people and you haven't met with us they must have a stronger lobby but my my concern is you know when we see let's call it unfortunate traffic patterns that are beyond their control right do we have the ability to take proactive measures before the end of some type of agreement well if it yes we do within the context of the conditional use agreement we do but when you're talking about traffic on the village streets we have control over the traffic on our village streets right okay all right that's it that's all I've got thank you very this isn't yielding any of that to anybody either we'll definitely plan you know a month two months three months after the Argo opens to to have a village staff meeting with the police and the DPW to say how's it going like what and and and I I want to get everybody on the same page that it's not going to be perfect the first month the second month we're going to figure it out as we go um but if we need new signs we'll figure out what those signs are supposed to say and maybe modify them three months later because we figured out a better way you know so all that's definitely part of the process thank you I plan I plan on holding pre-parties in your driveway so that's in the alley hi name and address hi uh Ross Wallace I live on H Shoreland 5714 Shoreland so basically Lake View and Shoreland just great Hat by the way thank you I I moved here from Chicago that's one of the points I want to it reiterate uh my wife and I moved here about two and a half years ago have a young family we lived in Chicago one of the main reasons we chose White Fish Bay is to have a walkable community that has things near us the reason we purchased a house where we did um so I think having something like the Argo a backbone of the community just amplifies that value

to people trying to move to this community and will not be a hindrance or a public nuisance as that that word has been used a lot right the concerns around parking and traffic and things like that should be talked about they should be addressed uh but I think what what Argo is proposing are the reasons why Young people young families like myself are moving to communities like this is for things like this within a walking distance we have child care at The JCC we go to sendex for our groceries having that right there for us provided value and continuing to bring in things like this and projects like this are important to again bring in families like ourselves bring in young families that are going to buy those properties and live in the community so full support concerns are valid uh like Joe said I think Jay said this community events for young families and young kids as well kids concerts things like that during the day uh big suggestion there I know my young kids would love I know a lot of people don't like blippy but uh you know young concerts like that that you know bring young families there with their kids during the day and then they can go have dinner and go to event I think is just immensely valuable so thank you thank you hi um I'm Phil AO I'm a resident of White Fish Bay at 5055 North brookley Boulevard uh bring probably a unique perspective here and that I'm a resident also president CEO of Mandel group who is owner of the uh of Bowmont place and actually I was a uh former uh bid board member um uh until a few years back um and uh you know I'm

full support of this of this uh uh use and Redevelopment of of the space um this is going to put a charge into the downtown area and as we were on the you know I think it's twofold um one it's going to cause it's going to have give the street even more brand awareness because you're going to have so many more people coming in and uh seeing how How Great White Fish Bay uh looks and how how quaint it is and that's going to be great for the street and then and then of course there's just going to be additional business certainly for the restaurants on the street as well as as as well as our restaurant too um and you know it's it's uh you know it's this is a large space it's going to demand a large user to uh to fill it up and and so you have to evaluate uh uh who it is that you're collaborating with and um you want to work with people who are willing to listen and this has been a terrific collaboration from what I've what I've seen I've participated in uh meetings with the citizens of bont and and Argo and new land and uh and the way they've adapted their plan uh after they've heard the concerns of the community is terrific and then you just have to trust that that that uh approach will continue afterwards and these are you know these are folks that I feel that that will continue afterwards and uh and this is a quite frankly between seeing how the village government is working how citizens are giving their input how Argo are responding this is a wonderful collaboration all the way around and and so um I would foree that uh continuing and and I think it'll be a

great addition for uh for the downtown thank you thank you any any other members of the public any other members of the public interested in speaking in the public hearing portion all right hearing none I would then close the public hearing um and then go on to new business which surprise surprise is a conditional use permit application for the Argo at 330 for Silver Spring Drive um we just just so you know I mean here we've had a lot of conversation um there is a packet it is online it has 86 pages of information about about this uh conditional use permit it that it has been studied uh substantially over the last about 90 days um it includes the parking study Etc and I've you know I I keep thanking a number of people for um getting through this long long process and putting this document together uh at this point we would have other questions from the Commissioners if you have more questions of the applicant of Staff of Village attorney um if you have none The Next Step would be to make a motion to approve or deny um and I would also remind you that there are are two uh changes to the recommendations the first is that the the quantity of the outdoor seating go from 10: to 20 and the quiet hours begin at 700 am. instead of 6: a right for deliveries no deliveries between the hours of 10 pm. and 7 a.m. yep and is that already in the materials no no it

was said that's as amended okay no I just wanted to make sure by the way if if memory serves that whole the 7:00 a.m. thing was because of the bread Smith the bakery that was there yeah yes the the the deliveries and the back and forth they started banging silver trays around at like four morning yes so I mean that's that's what the that's what the 7 a.m. was if memory serves if I could if I could just a quick um uh a quick story um you know first of all I'm I'm thrilled to hear the people who have who have come tonight who are in support of this and tell and are telling us that um that they've met with uh with with this group um uh it's it's it's showing that you know they are actually interested in in our neighborhood and not just throwing up a an entertainment space um after the village board meeting uh I was doing some research of my own uh because these gentlemen mentioned that the um the booking folks that they're working with operate in multiple different places including Omaha which is my hometown and a friend of mine uh is a musician and I got in touch with him and said hey have you ever played a show at the Slowdown he goes every year and I said ever go to shows at the Slowdown and he goes all the time I said what do you think he goes as a musician we like it as a um as a person who goes to shows it's a great venue and then he went on to tell me he goes hey isn't don't they also have don't they also run uh places out of uh

like Spokane and Boise and I said yes and he used to live and play music and tour in the Pacific Northwest and has played the n Factory at both Boise and Spokane and had nothing but good things to say so between everything that has everything that we've talked about at village board and here at plan commission and you know hearing some you know quips like that um I am excited to um make a motion uh for the conditional use application for the Argo Al live entertainment venue bar restaurant and event space to be located at 33 for East Silver Spring Drive as amended well actually as uh as presented by the staff conditional use and amended by the committee by the committee yes thank you attorney JL yes thank you do I hear a second I'll second thank you Jane uh is there any further discussion and and I just want to make sure Julie give me a thumbs up if you're okay with all of this good yep Jane beat me to the second I'm very okay with it okay are there any further discussion items questions yeah I have a I have a concern with uh this motion to extend the the cup to them um I realized that they're supposed to meet with the police chief but I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't put that also as a condition to really make sure that it's done efficiently and completely uh my concerns are again people that come in from outside the village and will the police department be ready for that and then my concern as well um with the neighbors in the

parking on diversity and what's the SE street again cons conso well Council but Berkeley Berkeley Berkeley there we go the Beast Street the Berkeley County charland see if see if something can be structured on the front end up front as well maybe the police chief needs to talk to them a little bit about how they're going to go about telling their patrons where to park and we not to park I mean the concern is with these homeowners I I think we need to give them some some opportunity to see daylight in front of their house well so they will see the police chief anyway but do we need to put this in as a condition sure yeah no so there's a requirement that they meet with the police chief and submit a safety plan annually for approval they have met with the police chief multiple times yeah that's safety plans but this is beyond safety um in terms of the traffic flow you mean traffic flow so um our Public Work Director is here this evening um he's been involved in conversations as well as our police chief and so we've we've also talked to our village engineer um talked to gra as well offline uh so we have a lot of possibilities in motion our traffic engineer sent it was four different bullets of things that could be explored um but at this point the consensus seems to be that we should evaluate what what actually happens um because again from this we're really speaking about like kind of a worst case scenario with 750 but let's see where are people actually parking how are they actually getting here and then based on that can update signing or make adjustments as needed yeah the village reserves all its rights to to do what it needs to do within its police power even after this is issued so if there if there's Calamity on the

streets because of what's going on we can we can jump in and regulate it I just want to assure you that the the police chief has been very active in these conversations both internally as well as with the potential user okay any further questions from Commissioners hearing none I would call for a vote all those in favor say I I I any opposed motion carries thank you uh well you know we we we have a few more Innings to go with um with the CDA and the village board and whatnot and getting liquor license and whatnot but this is a big hurdle and uh I I think to a certain extent we can now say you know officially welcome to white white fish I mean we're we we we're in the eighth inning I guess and uh we'll we'll see how we can get through the next couple Innings and not going to extra we have a we have a strong Bullpen yeah uh is there a motion to adjourn so moved thank you do I hear a second second thank you Jane all those in favor say I I I we are adjourned thank you gentlemen thank you for everybody to show up and