Community Development Authority - Regular Meeting

this evening. Oops. It's okay. I was taking notes. Um and this is my first process um through this for district 11. So, he's going to help tee this up for us. Yeah. So, quick introduction. Um I'm Joel, director of building services with the village. I do all the zoning reviews for um the village and district 11 is a little different than than most. It obviously is our commercial corridor and it has different regulations than other districts. So typically a project that has an exterior change will just go through the architecture review commission, gain approval through that and then go to permitting. Uh in district 11, the CDA has the approval authority for uh exterior changes, modifications. Um, also in conjunction with the CDA having authority, it has to go through the architecture review commission prior to that where they just make a recommendation. The CDA does not have to accept that recommendation. Uh, but it's obviously they're the art board, they have architects, probably be a good thing to, you know, take some weight with their recommendation. On April 17th, this uh the architecture review commission reviewed these plans, made the recommendation that the CDA approve it. So that was a unanimous vote. 50-0. I don't want to downplay the remodel on this one. The remodel is extensive. The exterior changes pretty minor. Obviously, you probably looked at the plans, but uh uh that's kind of your role in this. There are uh design guidelines in our district 11 code. If you guys have not read them, that's okay for this case. Um I reviewed it. Everything does line up with that. I would encourage you to read those design guidelines. We may get new buildings in the future. Um the last one we had was probably Town Bank, I'm guessing. So

it's been a while. There are some new faces on this board since that review, but but they are really good design guidelines. I would say typically I would give you a staff memo that would kind of address each item in that this was again pretty minor in and that and it only would touch on a couple of there's no change to the front facade. Uh there is some alley facade changes and a little bit of window changes on I believe the east elevation. So that's pretty much the overview. If you guys have questions I would be happy to take them. Otherwise, um I think there was mention of the the Fox Bay sign, the marquee. Seemed like that wasn't included in the packet. They Yeah, I think they it they might have made mention and I've heard some different u talk about it, but I have not received any formal Would that need approval? Would that need our approval? Uh I guess that's up to me. Um the the code does allow me to approve things. I think with something with signage of that size, I would probably run it through at least the CDA. It doesn't have to go to ARC. Um but probably I I I don't want to say yes or no. I' have to make that decision when I saw it. Yeah, let's clarify that too. I mean certainly if the marquee were proposed to be come down to come down that would absolutely go through our in the board, but that has not been the plans that have been communicated to us. In fact, quite the opposite. Yeah, I would say the marquee they they've made it clear they want to keep that. Any signage would be in addition to the back that I've seen, but again, I don't want to speak for them because I haven't seen any official sub. These days, it's likely that they might be going LED anyway, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they would be LED. Mike, did you have a question? Well, it was just what you were asking.

Was the sign and uh I was looking at looking for that. There's a uh I think I'm trying to find it on here, but there's a reference to the existing sign remaining on the plan, but there's no detail as to whether there's going to be any. I think the the main thing that I think we heard in some of the public comments at earlier meetings was just the Fox Bay uh current verbiage. I mean, in other words, the the name on the sign itself was something that's a lot of people wanted to see maintained. Is there any indication that that's not going to happen? I can tell you that of all the conversations I had about that sign, they indicated they wanted to keep that. Okay. So, um until we see a formal submitt on that, it's staying as is. Okay. What is the process for that formal submitt? I would receive a um detailed plan showing me the materials, the size, the um content, anything that's going to be on that sign, I would re receive that. They would also show a rendering of it on the building. So, I would be able to make a good uh decision as to next steps on that at that time. So, is this something that the U committee would review once it's uh repaired in its initial form? Again, if they touch the marquee, absolutely. If they're just adding an Argo sign to the facade behind it, I doubt I would run that through the CDA. Okay. Well, all right. Somebody will alert us uh at which fork in the road was taken with that when we get there. Sure. I can I can let the Mike, do you have a question? Well, the the question

is if having Fox Bay stay is important legally if we approve the development agreement and then the issue comes up. What's our grounds for saying it's not approved? Yeah, I think we're in a box then. We have we have leverage with the development agreement, right? But this still was going to require approval, right? So, it's sort of built on suspenders. It it that I guess that's the question. Yeah. I mean, what what what is the basis for not approving a very nice sign that just doesn't happen to have Fox Bay on it? I would say it's the same standards as any other application for AR. I mean, even though this is going to CDA and HSR, but to his point, if it's a really nice sign that just happens to take down the the marquee, what are the grounds that we could say, "Nope, we don't like that sign." Like, is that infinite or are you bound by some particular, you know, reasonleness? Joel, refresh my recollection. Doesn't this section say that there's harm to property value standard unlike the rest of the design guidelines and other other districts? Yeah, it it doesn't say it in district 11, but it does when when given authority to this board, that's one of the things that um it states and and in my determination if it needs to go to a committee, that's one of the things I have to use. Does it have a depreciating effect on a a neighborhood or an area? The the other thing I was thinking about, and maybe I'm off base, but the plans that are in front of you tonight include that Fox Bay sign. I mean, the

they they say that the front facade isn't changing. So, if that facade is going to change, it it'll come back to this, right? It'll go right back to Arc. Actually, I think it's pretty. Yeah, I think we I'm pretty comfortable with it. also don't think there would be opposition to adding a component to the development agreement like a couple sentences that as well. Um, but I did text Sheldon said that they will they're aware that they would have to submit an updated plan for the sign. They have one small non-lit sign planned in the back over the back door and something um to refurbish the marquee will be on as well, but it'll be the same size, shape, look, materials in the same place, but potentially incorporating the Argo and Fox Bay into it. So, but I think that's a good thing to talk about in close session if we want to incorporate additional language as leverage. I don't think there would be opposition on the other side. Okay. Any other questions about the My only question is it looks like on these plans there's not a bump out for an elevator. So it looks was an elevator dropped from the plans. Is that No, now it's inside. Oh, it's inside. So at first it was going to be an out an exterior shaft and then they found a way to move it inside. Got it. Yeah. There's a Then you'll see it says elevator on it. E or something. Got it. E shaft. Yep. You can see that. I think there they'll have to get rid of the phone booth. Got it. Right. Yeah. Is there there's a phone booth that I think that's where it goes. I mean, in that general area, there's nothing there now. Probably it's probably the only phone booth in Wayfish Bay at this point. So, right. I probably shouldn't say that in case it's historic. Oh, right. Right up right up front. You're saying right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's a little unclear to me and you know the Fox Bay sign may seem like just a small thing but because it's traditional in the street and so on and so forth and to to avoid uh the

impression that we're just sort of kicking it down the road. Um how are we going to get that resolved or when do we take a final position on that? Um is is Fox Bay important? Is it uh something that uh the owners are not interested in? Is there a combination of Argo and Fox Bay, you know, and you can go on and on, but I this is this is a kind of thing that uh you can get a lot of a lot of voices uh all excited about something that shouldn't be so difficult. So, I I I don't think you can just kind of cast it aside and hope for the best. I I think we'll take care of it in the development. What does that mean? You'll take care what does that mean? You'll take care of We'll talk We'll talk about it in close session, Ray. All right. Fine. There we go. Sheldon's on. Oh yeah, there's Sheldon. Uh, sorry. Sorry for the Doer. That's okay. Thanks for joining us. Uh, do we want to present that question to Sheldon and just Yeah, Sheldon, as as long as you're here, uh, I I understand you did text Kelsey with the commentary about the sign. Uh to to your knowledge, is the marquee sign, the Fox Bay sign staying in most of its original form with some improvements? Uh that's the the target. So they've got the tenant has a signed company putting together uh a quotes to sort of like re rebuild what's there because it's, you know, 100 years old and really rotten. Um, and then uh they looking at design elements that can incorporate the word arco somehow. And so uh I think they're looking at it same look and feel, same size, same uh materials, same

everything. It's just the word Fox Bay then with the Argo or presenting Argo or or is it Argo at the Fox Bay Theater which somebody in the crowd had recommended when the uh all their public hearings were going on? They kind of liked the idea of it being that way. They made reference someone. So there's there's two they're looking at it both ways and uh to see what the what fits in the exact same spot size, location, building materials, etc. So it doesn't look different uh or from a vibe and look and feel and doesn't change size and that sort of stuff. Then we have to submit that to of course the village for the uh review and approval. Okay. I think that but the hope is to keep it like looking and feeling the way it is. Again, like I said, could it be Fox Bay then Argo or is it Argo and Fox Bay? But it has to We know we wanted to include Fox Bay and we know we wanted to include Argo and we know we don't want it to look different. They're they're never going to propose to use something like a LED, you know, crazy thing. We knew that was never going to fly. So, this is a same light bulbs, same fonts, same uh you know the plastic letters on the movie so it looks and feels like a movie theater sign and and I' I've actually started to see versions of it but I have it I don't have it here for you. I'm sorry. So I I I can describe it to you the way I'm describing it but I don't have uh there they don't have that done yet. Some of it is a has been a cost question of what it takes to sort of re rebuild it or or just fabricate new ones that looks like what we're describing. I I think we were just looking for the

commentary that it's going to be substantially similar and I believe that is the goal right now. So that that is absolutely the goal. It needs to keep the retro movie theater vibe. And that's something the building is also insisting on and a thing we heard uh during the public hearings early in the process here. And this team has continued to be exactly what you remember them. Uh they're very interested in making sure the community loves and is excited for their what they're bringing. uh and nobody wants to do anything that would put that at risk. All right. I I think that's very helpful and I I think to the extent that you may be getting comments from people in the village and so on and so forth, uh I I think just the fact that there's going to be some very careful cons of the, you know, the history of the street as well as uh what uh the new owners are doing and what they're bringing. I I I think it'll work out very very much so. Ray, thank you. That's you make you make exactly the point. Okay. Any other questions or concerns about the exterior of the possible box bay? In which case, uh, we need a motion to approve the architectural plans. Would anybody like to make that motion as presented? Yeah, I'll second. Oh, we didn't. Well, we'll say that Ray has made a the first motion. Anybody like to second that motion? I'll I'll second. Thank you, Colin. Uh, all right. We have a motion and a second to approve the architectural plans for the exterior modifications of the Argo. Uh, any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? I'm not opposed, but if you could just note that I'm abstaining from that vote. Okay. All right. All right.

Motion carries. uh with one ex abstension. The next item on our agenda is uh to go into close session. Um if somebody could make a motion to go into close session as uh mentioned in the memo, that would be great. I moved. Thank you. As noted in the memo. As noted. Thank you. Do I hear a second? Second. Mike has seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. We are in close session. Um, Anna, if you could uh move two people out into the um um Sheldon, I'll give you a call if anything comes up. Please. Uh I'll be here standing at the at the ready and uh text text or email if if I don't answer. Okay, we'll do. Thank you. Something's wrong. All right. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Thank you. All right, he is gone. You're going to lock the meeting and pause the recording. Unlock see if there's anybody in the lobby. Okay, we are now back in open session. Uh the well second to final thing we would do tonight is to get a motion on what we discussed in close session which is the let's get the official language here uh to recommend to the village board my apologies here I need to appro the development agreement there we go with Fox Bay Building SP LLC. Yep. I'll move that. Okay. So, we have a

motion to uh recommend to village board the uh developers agreement. Do I hear a second? I'll second. Thank you, Sarah. Any further discussion? And again, this is going to be redised on at the village board level. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. I. Any extain again, please, for the record. and and any objections? Motion carries with one abstension. Uh that is the end of our uh business today other than to have a motion to adjourn. Kevin, when will it go towards? Monday. Monday. Monday the 16th. Rapidly. Good. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? I move to adjurnn. Thank you. Do I hear a second? Second. Thank you, Ray. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? We are adjourned. Thank you so much for spending hour with us this afternoon. Great.