City Council - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon. Today is November 12, 2025, and the time now is 4.12. I would like to open the closed session meeting for the City of Westminster. So a meeting call to order, please.

Thank you. For roll call, Mayor Nguyen.

I'm here.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

I'm here.

District 1, Councilwoman Van West. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Here.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen. Mayor, you have a quorum with District 1, Councilwoman Van West, and District 4, Councilmember Nguyen absent.

Thank you. This time I open up for oral communication for closed session. Do we have any speakers signed up for it?

We do not, Mayor.

All right, so we can go ahead and before we recess for closed session, would you please go ahead and read the item that we are going to discuss in the closed session?

Thank you. The City Council will recess to a closed session for the following purposes. Conference with legal counsel, anticipated litigation, initiation of litigation pursuant to government code 54956.94, number of potential cases one, Conference with legal counsel, anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code 54956.9d2, number of potential cases, one. Conference with legal counsel, existing litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9d2, D1, name of case, Ashkan Agassi versus City of Westminster et al. OC Superior Court Case 30-2024-01443676-CU-PO-WJC. And final, Conference with Real Property Negotiations, Property 13761, Golden West Street, Westminster, California, 92683. Agency Negotiators, City Manager Christine Cordone, Assistant City Manager Adolfo Zeta, and Senior Management Analyst Ryan Salls. Negotiating Parties, United States Postal Service, Under Negotiation, Price in Terms of Payment.

All right. Thank you very much. At this time, the City Council will recess for closed session. We'll come back at 6 o'clock. 2025, I would like to reconvene the City Council Successor Agency to the Westminster Redevelopment Agency meeting. The meeting is now called to order. So Madam Clerk, will you please take the roll call? I'm here.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

I am here.

District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West here. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Here.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

I'm here.

Mayor, you have a quorum with all members present.

All right, thank you very much. Salute the flag. Today is going to be District 4, Councilmember Nam Quang Nguyen, and an invocation, Councilmember Amy Fan West. Please stand.

Ready, begin.

Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing as we pray. Lord, we just thank you so much for this opportunity to gather together, to just come to do city business and to hear the concerns or grievances of the community, but also to make sure we move our city forward. And I pray that you bless this time and that we will be productive. But also I want to bring up... A friend of ours, the resident in the city of Westminster, Mike Martin and his family right now, he just passed. And I am just heartbroken to hear of his death. And I just pray that you comfort the family right now. And you have promised that you give us the spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. And so I pray for the family right now that you take a hold of their hearts. And I know losing a loved one is really hard. And I just pray, Lord, that you comfort people in our city, those who hear us tonight, those who are going through a hard time, Lord, and losing a loved one. I pray, Lord, that you give them comfort, that you give them peace, and that you speak to their heart. And I pray that you give them peace that surpass their understanding and guard their mind and heart during this hard and difficult time. And I pray that you just bless our meeting tonight and just bless their family, the Martins. And we thank you in Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

okay uh thank you uh thank you much to council member nam kwan win and also council member west for the salute to the flag and invocation next is city attorney closed session report please

yes thank you mr. mayor there was there were we just did discuss all four items in closed session three of them did not have reportable action the first one there was the City Council voted to authorize the city attorney to do two things in response to an appellate court decision in new commune DTLA LLC versus the city of Redondo Beach number one to file a letter of support of in in support of the city of Redondo beaches request that the California Supreme Court grant review of the court decision and number two that if such review is granted to file a friend of the court brief and amicus brief In favor of the city of Redondo beaches position that concludes my report.

All right. Thank you See the attorney next is a sporty communication including SB 1439 report when required Is there anything from the castle? Seeing none hearing none. So moving on to the city club report, please.

I have no report tonight, Mayor.

Thank you.

Moving on to see the manager report, please.

special event to address concerns and provide resources related to trespassing and homelessness in our community. We've been doing a couple of these workshops out in the front of City Hall for a few months now, and we'd like to invite you to join us. If you have questions about homelessness in Westminster, this is your opportunity to get answers directly from our homeless liaison officers, our code enforcement team, and our Family Resource Center. Again, it's a great opportunity to meet the experts in the field, ask questions about resources available, city initiatives, and how we're working to address this issue. Our next one is tomorrow from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. It's going to be over at the Westminster, well, it says the Westminster Police Department, but it's really at the City Hall parking lot. So for more information, give them a call at 714-548-3833. Next, I know everyone's excited for this. We've been getting a lot of inquiries, but the Bolsa Chica Park Playground ribbon cutting is finally happening. So we're thrilled to invite you to the ribbon cutting ceremony for this brand new ocean adventure themed playground featuring sea loving dreams. The event will be on Tuesday at 2.30 p.m. Come check out the playground from tall towers to swings. This ocean adventure themed playground has something for all ages. Next Wednesday, for all you pickleball lovers out there, or not, join us for a community outreach meeting to learn more and share your thoughts about potential pickleball courts over at Tony Land Park. Wednesday the 19th, it's in person at 3 p.m., or if you can't make it, join us on Zoom at 6 p.m. Links available on the website. And the Winter 2026 brochure will be in mailboxes this week, so check it out for a listing of classes and activities held from January through March of 2026, as well as upcoming holiday events. The brochure is available for viewing online as well, and registration is now open for those classes. And of course, holiday season means we have a lot going on. It's just around the corner, so our annual events are back. So mark your calendars for these traditional events. First, our annual tree lighting ceremony, which has gotten bigger and bigger over the last few years. It's gonna be on Monday, December 1st at 5.30 p.m. over here at the Civic Center. The tree lighting ceremony will feature various entertainment performances, photos with Santa, activities, food for purchase, and the lighting of our tree. The ceremony this year is going to be extra special, but I'm going to save that one for later. Next, we have breakfast with Santa. On Saturday, December 6th, 9 a.m. at the Community Services Building, our annual breakfast includes a traditional breakfast, crafts, and a stocking for each child. Tickets are $15. Registration is open now. And if you're interested, please purchase your tickets before it sells out because it does sell out every year. Next, we have our Santa on the Go events. We are proud to celebrate five years of Santa on the Go pop-ups. Santa will be making special appearances at parks for some festive holiday fun, crafts, treats, and photo opportunities. For those of you who are not familiar with the Santa pop-ups, we rotate the parks that we go to every year to... I don't see a flyer. That's okay. So we go to different parks every year just to engage the community and highlight, you know, some of the many parks that we do have in the city. So on Saturday, December 6, 2025, we'll be at Bowling Green from 10 to 1130 a.m. And then we'll be at Blakey. We'll be at Blakey Park from 1 to 230 p.m. And Saturday, December 13th, we'll be at College Park from 10 a.m. to 11.30 a.m., and then over at Bolsa Chica from 1 to 2.30 p.m. So for more information, you can call Community Services at 714-895-2860. Senior Center will be hosting their Thanksgiving lunch Tuesday, November 25th from 11.30 a.m. to 1 p.m., so join our Senior Center for a Thanksgiving celebration with lunch and live entertainment. Tickets are $5, and you can contact the Senior Center for that. And then the Senior Center will be celebrating their Christmas party or their holiday party on Wednesday, December 17th from 1130 a.m. to 1 p.m. It's going to be a festive afternoon filled with cheer, community, and holiday magic. Lunch and live entertainment will be provided. Tickets are also $5 for that event. Senior Center phone number is 714-895-2878. And then, of course, just around the corner is our annual tech parade. The Year of the Horse is galloping into Westminster, so mark your calendars. It's happening right here on Saturday, February 21st, 2026. Information is available on the city's website. Follow us on social media for updates on how to participate in the parade and how to be a sponsor. Last but not least, just want to announce that our lovely city clerk, Ashna Rocho, today is her last day with us at the city, so we just want to wish her a a fond farewell and wish her luck in her next endeavor. That's all I have for tonight.

all right thank you very much thank you for your detailed report and next is uh before we have the fun part which is a special presentation i just want to on behalf of the city council and city staff i would like to welcome each and every one of you to the city council meeting tonight so once again thank you very much for taking the time out of your busy schedule this evening and be here i know that you uh care for the city that's why you are here so again Thank you very much, and let's welcome each one of us. So put our hands together. We'll welcome you here. And we are very pleased to welcome the members. We have plenty of them. I think I have a few of them today. Members of the Westminster Dead Parade Foundation. So we have the update today. So I would like to invite all members of the Westminster Dead Parade Foundation, please come up and provide your update. So please, whoever you are, I mean, the members of the Debt Parade Foundation, Monique, I believe that you are there too. All right. So go ahead.

All right. Well, good evening, Mayor and City Council. My name is Johnny Nguyen, and I'm a member of the Westminster Debt Parade Foundation Board of Directors. You got time to introduce yourself.

Go ahead and introduce yourself. This is the first time that you're here, so go ahead and introduce yourself.

Okay. Hi, everyone. My name is Quinn Pham, and I'm also a board member of the Westminster Parade Foundation.

Hi, my name is Andy Locke. I'm also a member. Thank you.

Hi, this is Monique Nguyen, the board member of the Westminster City Foundation.

All right, so go ahead and give us your update where you are right now.

Yes, I'm glad that the board was able to join us here today, but we also want to give an update on our fundraising efforts so far because, as you know, debt is around the corner and fundraising has been moving along. So lately, we've been walking around to different businesses in Westminster and the surrounding area and also reaching out to community members, community leaders, business leaders in and around Westminster to assist with the fundraising efforts. So that's been happening. And also we want to introduce the fundraising gala that's going to be happening this Sunday, November 16th at 5.30 p.m. So we encourage the city of Westminster and the mayor and city council to attend that. as well, and to also spread the word.

Anything else for anyone?

Hello. I do want to add that, again, we are inviting everyone to the fundraising that we will be hosting this Sunday at Golden Sea Restaurant. And we have been collecting donations, contributions for the event. And I'd just like to, we would like to thank you, Mayor and his family, for the contribution of $1,000 for the donation. That's very helpful. And anyone else who's willing to help out. And it's all for the Bed-Dyed Parade. Thank you.

I understand from the dais here, I know that Council Member Mark Wayne also sponsored one table for $1,000.

Yes, thank you, Mayor. Since you put me on the spot, I will sponsor one table for $1,000.

I also sent out the email or the text to council members and asked if the council member can also sponsor a table for us. We appreciate it. Until now, we have probably over 300 people going to be there on that night, so it's going to be a fun night.

Thank you, Council Member Mark.

So anything else from any one of you or else? we on behalf of the city council and city staff would like to thank you for all the hard work that you put in and hopefully that we have a very very very very exciting night this coming sunday sunday night the extent uh the invitations to extend out to every one of you so if you can uh join us on that night uh contact any one of them or or contact me at the end of the meeting We love to have you join us at the event. Again, thank you very much. Let's put our hand together for the hard work they put in, please. Thank you.

I'm sorry. Can I just, I want to thank the vice mayor and city attorney for helping us putting together the group. Yeah, thank you.

Okay, all right, thank you. All right, next. Before I open up for oral communication for non-concerning agenda items only, I would like to suggest to move some of the items because we have our council members, including me, I think we have our flu or... We need to, I don't know, you know, they want to excuse that they have to leave early. So I would like to make sure that, I want to make sure that we take care of the items. And so I will recommend the council to move 5.1 and 5.2 after the oral communication for non-agenda item. And from 9.1 to 9.4 after 6.1. That's my motion. Is there a second to that?

Second.

No. No, 5.1 and 5.2 after oral communication for non-agenda item, which is going to last, going to be last. All right.

Yes, and I wanted to move item 5.3, which is the Rose Center study.

The 5.3 is still there. It's going to be right after the public hearing. So that's what we want, right? So it's going to be the first item to be discussed, the 5.3.

Is that what you want, right?

Yeah, 5.3. So 5.3 is going to be the first item that we are going to discuss. That's why 5.1 and 5.2 is moving after, at the end. All right, so I have... So what exactly are we doing? Okay, exactly what we're doing, 5.1 and 5.2 move to the end after oral communication for non-agenda item.

That's the first thing.

Second thing is 9.1 to 9.4 after 6.1.

So the 5.3 still continue to be the first item.

All right, so we have motion and second on the floor.

Okay, just one moment, please. Okay, so I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo, to move agenda item numbers 5.1 and 5.2 to be heard after oral communications non-agenda items, and move agenda item number 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, and 9.4 to come immediately following 6.1. Correct.

And I want to make a substitute motion to that.

Okay.

Okay, so I know that we have to do city business. I believe that 5.2 and 5.3 is city business. 9.1 and 9.3 is just not city business. So I think that should be after because I know the people for the theaters here and also the development billboards here. So I think to be considerate for the city business, I think we should keep as is.

If 9.1 and 9.3 are not the item for city business, what about item 9.2?

We keep the same order because the urgency is that the billboard people here and the Rose Garden.

Go ahead and make a substitute motion. Is there a second to that?

Hold on. Let's just rethink this real quick. Mayor, you're suggesting that after... Consent calendar, you wanted to move up five point. After consent calendar, you wanted to move up the items in nine point. You're talking to me or you're talking to her?

To you. Okay, 5.3 is still the same. After consent calendar, it's going to be 5.3.

That's the first item. After consent calendar, 5.3? Because that's what you want to, right? Yeah, and then after that?

And after that, it's going to be 6.1, 9.1 to 9.4. And then oral communication for non-agenda items. And then after that, it will be 5.1 and 5.2. I'm going to have to agree with

with the Council Member West. I think the public hearings need to come before the items of the 9.1 items.

The public hearings is already come before the 5.3. Just leave the agenda. It's still there. Yeah, leave it. We are not moving for our public hearing items.

I don't know why there's a confusion.

Substitute motion is just to leave this, yes.

No, your substitute motion is different than what he thought it is. Yes. He thought that we are moving the public hearings item to the last. We are not. It's going to be public hearings will be right after consent calendar. And then after public hearing, there will be on 5.3, which is the first item for regular business.

I think this is, yeah, that's fine. Let's just stick with that. As long as we hear the public hearing items before. It is, it is before. I'm fine.

Okay. All right, so is there a second to the substitute motion? Hearing none. So, substitute motion fell. Go ahead and take a roll call.

So I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo, to move agenda item numbers 5.1 and 5.2 after oral communications non-agenda items, and move agenda item numbers 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, and 9.4 to be heard following agenda item number 6.1. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Van West.

Van West, aye.

District 3, Councilmember Nguyen. Yes. District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo. Yes. Mayor Nguyen. Yes. Motion carried 5-0.

All right. At this time, I will open for oral communication concerning the agenda item only. So would you please go ahead and read the instruction into the record.

Thank you. This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the city council regarding any items on the agenda except public hearing items. Members of the public wishing to address public hearing items shall do so at the time of the public hearing. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote, the city council comment shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip, which are provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step to the podium at that time and state your name and city of residence for the record. Our first speaker is Jessica Lawson, followed by Kathleen Iversion.

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. My name is Jessica Lostenow, and I'm a resident of Westminster. I'm here tonight to respectfully oppose the proposal to rename All-American Way to Charlie Kirk Way. First, let me say that Mr. Kirk's death is a tragedy. No one should lose their life to political violence. And I think we all share sadness about what happened to him. My opposition to this renaming is not about diminishing that tragedy or his life. However, I believe we need to think carefully about what our street names should represent and whether this particular renaming serves our community well into the future. Street names are part of shared public space. They're part of how we identify our city for ourselves and to visitors. Traditionally reserved street names for figures that unite us. Charlie Kirk was a prominent political activist who was deeply involved in partisan debates. Whatever you think of his work, it's undeniable that he was divisive. Half the country appreciated his advocacy, and the other half strongly opposed it. By naming a street after him, we are essentially taking sides in an ongoing political controversy. That's not what our street names should do. I'm also concerned about the timing. While Mr. Kirk's death was recent and emotions are understandably high, street naming decisions should be made with some perspective and distance. We need time to assess someone's full legacy, separate from the immediate reaction to a tragic event. Decisions made in the heat of the moment can have consequences that we regret later. Additionally, if this renaming is primarily a response to political violence, we should ask ourselves, is a street name the right way to address it? There may be other more meaningful ways to condemn violence and honor victims that don't involve permanently marking our public infrastructure with political symbolism. Let me be clear, if Mr. Kirk had meaningful ties to our community beyond his national political profile, that's worth discussing. But a street name is permanent, public, and affects everyone who lives here. It should be something that brings us together, not something that divides us along political lines for generations to come. I urge the council to take time with this decision and reconsider whether naming this street truly serves the whole community. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Our next speaker is Kathleen Iverson, followed by Michael Varengia.

Hello, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. My name is Kathleen Sterling Iverson. I reside at 8441 Sterling Way in Westminster. I've lived in Westminster my entire 75 years, and at the October 15th meeting, I tried to provide the history of and the insight into the importance of the Rose Center to the community. In the late 1800s, I'll get it out. It was like 87 or 88. The city council recognized the importance of a theater. On a four to one vote, they promised to keep the 17th Street Auditorium to serve the needs and to pay for the cost of keeping the auditorium functioning. When the opportunity to sell the auditorium arose, the council promised to replace it with the Rose Center and it would serve the same function. The council recognized that a theater can be inexpensive and in addition, so in addition of the ballroom, was an excellent way to serve meeting needs and generate revenue to the support of the theatre side, which was to be run by a nonprofit organization. Your own study showed that most cities contribute over half a million dollars for their theater operations. But in Westminster, the Rose Center nonprofit raised between $300,000 and $400,000 to cover the cost. The citizens of Westminster deserve a facility in which to hold meetings, concerts, plays, and the city needs to support the arts as well as sports and recreation. The city has a park and recreation department. This is a service to the community. You do not and should not expect to make a profit from these programs. It is the cost of doing business. Citizens need recreation facilities and it is the role of the city to provide them. The school districts do not charge the city of Westminster any maintenance fees when residents use Huntington Beach Union High School District or Westminster School District fields, even though the city of Westminster pays no money for them, but takes credit for them in the open space designation calculations. Previous councils promised to support the arts. They created a two-tier system where the ballroom would help defer the cost of the theater. It is not the fault of the theater side of the operations that the ballroom side of the operation is not functioning at its capacity. But even so, the benefit the Rose Center has been to the community greatly outweighs the $60,000 a city spends for utilities and maintenance. I urge you to fix the ballroom side, but leave the theater side alone. Thank you. Oh, I have copies of the presentation too.

Our next speaker is Michael Varengia followed by Diana Carey.

Thank you. I specifically want to talk about 919293. Nice you could sit and listen. First of all, I'm a conservative Republican. I liked Charlie Kirk. I liked the fact that he would engage anybody in debate. He didn't care what your point of view was. He felt that open communication is what we need in this country. And regardless of whether you're on the right, the left, the center, the top, the bottom, didn't make any difference. He would be willing to talk to anybody. Unfortunately, we had a far left crazy who decided that He didn't particularly like Charlie and decided to kill him, which is where we're at now. But I am against spending tax dollars to name the street after Charlie. As much as I like him, He didn't live in Westminster. He didn't do anything for Westminster. We have a room full of people that have been in Westminster a lot more years than he did. So why are we going to spend tax dollars? You've already done that stuff over in Little Saigon, putting dual language signs up. in your shopping area. You've taken a park over here that's named after a Jewish hero of World War II and erected Vietnamese language monuments over there that anybody who doesn't speak Vietnamese has absolutely no idea what they're doing. So why do we do this stuff? declaring October 14th Charlie Kirk Day. Same thing. Charlie's not from Westminster. He never lived here. He never shopped here. Nothing. There's no reason to name October 14th in this city Charlie Kirk Day. Now, if they want to do it for the state, let the state do it. Let the country do it. It has nothing to do with Westminster, and neither does Charlie. 9.3, denounce communism. How long is that war going to go on? I got out of the military in 73. It lasted two more years after that. Well, apparently it's lasted a lot longer because we still have people worried about communists coming in this country. If this is a concern with this city, I've seen I believe it's correct information of one of your own council members meeting with the representative of the communist government in Vietnam. If they're allowed to come in this country, there's not a whole lot you can do with it except shun them, ignore them. You don't have to meet with them, drink tea, shake hands, yawk it up, talk about the latest baseball scores, or whatever you do when you sit with these clowns. They murdered millions of your fellow countrymen. So why would you wanna have anything to do with them anyway? And then you're gonna sit up here on our city council.

Our next speaker is Diana Carey, followed by Tammy Hamill.

Good evening, Council. I'm Diana Carey. I'm the vice president of the Friends of the Rose Center Theater. I want to thank the staff and the Theater DNA for the comprehensive theater report, which covered the theater from 2018 to present. Last time, the question was asked, how does the theater build and maintain their clientele? It has taken diligence over 20 years to attract and maintain our relationships with our rental organizations and our theater patrons. This is ongoing and possible because we maintain excellent sound, lighting, and technology in a very professional space. Please realize if patrons and organizations do not have a positive experience, they will not return and they will tell others about their negative experiences. Our rental fees are below the county and they are appropriate for our community. The report missed the fact that we have a full-time employee dedicated to outreach, publicity, and advertising, and the friends continually are advertising. Cost is really important. The cost to the Friends to run the theater is $300,000 per year approximately, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little bit less. You pay $50,000 for the building. We pay $300,000 to run the side of the theater management. So a little history again. The catering side was supposed to help defray theater costs. The council did away with that plan and put all the revenue into the general fund. The friends at the time were given the theater and the existing equipment. That was it. The city has never given the theater or the friends any additional funding for any equipment or any other costs to run the theater. We own all the equipment, the technology, the musical instruments that are in the theater, all of which are very expensive. Now this next part is personal and difficult for me. There are two plaques in the theater. One is to Margie Rice who built it, and the other one is to me who kept it going during all those lean years. I have given this city over $150,000. I've given to the Tet Parade because it was important to the Vietnamese community. I fought the OCTA and Caltrans freeway expansion, saving 300 homes and businesses along the freeway. And Adolfo, Zeta, and I negotiated with the OCTA to get the Westminster residents who backed up to the theater 20% more than they were supposed to get. I've purchased all your police dogs because it's important to have an extra level of safety for our police department. And I've purchased upwards of close to $100,000 worth of equipment for the Rose Center Theater. I have never asked for anything. Tonight is the first time anybody ever knows what I just told you. So what I am asking for you to do tonight, Charlie, is for you to please pass, then cut off my microphone.

Your time is over. First warning for you.

Our next speaker is Tammy Hamill, followed by Donald Link.

Good evening. Tammy Hamill, Westminster resident, District 1. There she goes. She's very picky about who she wants to listen to. And this was actually for her. But if she's going to keep on doing the invocation, I would like to remind her to follow all of her Bible, not just the part she wants to use to manipulate. And there's an interesting passage I think kind of speaks directly to her. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man. Rather, she is to remain quiet. If only she took that advice, especially at meetings. My other comments are on pretty much the whole 9.0 section. This is clearly campaigning from the dais. You guys are putting this stuff on there to get the word out to your party leaders. Look what we're doing. So my question is for the city attorney. Are you advising them? This is not okay. I asked Christian the same question either earlier this year or last year. And he said he was advising. So either he was lying or they're not listening. This is going to bring more lawsuits to the city. Because they are, in effect, stealing our tax dollars to campaign from the dais. They are using their city positions to campaign in other videos. They are using the logo. Are you advising them that they should not be doing that? You can't tell me that you think any of these 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 has anything to do with the city. They need to be told. They need to be stopped. Maybe in a meeting you need to tell them, you know, this isn't city related. Maybe you shouldn't be putting these things on the agenda and using taxpayer dollars. You should be talking about the Rose Center, parks, those kinds of things. That's what this city should be spending all their time on. Like 9.4, that's something that the city should be doing. That's the only thing in that section that this city should be doing. And the fact that we knew she was gonna do it, but the fact that you're now doing it, Charlie, it's highly disappointing. Because we had, yeah, thank you for shaking your head that you agree. It's disappointing. You need to stop doing that. We voted for those tax increases. And I didn't want to. A lot of people did not want to vote for those tax increases. Because we wanted to save our city from bankruptcy twice. The fact that you are using our tax dollars for your pet projects, for your partisan politics, is bullshit. And you need to stop it. And that, to me, is more profane than any language that you don't like that people use up here. Stop stealing our time and money with your crap, which is one of your favorite words. Get back to all city business and not your partisan business. If you want to do that, you guys can leave. Leave the council. We will find other people to do it. Go run for whatever office you want. Stop taking our money.

Our next speaker is Donald Link, followed by Bryant Horace.

Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council members, all except for one. I rise to speak respectfully, but firmly in opposition to agenda items 9.1 through 9.3. which proposed renaming the streets on All-American Way and declaring October 14th as Charlie Kirk Day. And also, it is legally dubious to think item 9.3 is enforceable. These items are nothing more than partisan campaigning from the dais. Before anything else, let me say I recognize the tragic loss for Mr. Kirk's life. Regardless of political views, the assassination of any public figure is deeply troubling event and a reminder of how important civility and respect are in our public discourse. No one ever should be harmed for their opinions or their affiliations. But mourning death is not the same as memorializing a legacy, and that distinction matters here. While we can express sympathy for Mr. Kirk's family and supporters, official city honors should reflect Westminster's collective values, inclusion, unity, and service to others. Mr. Kirk's records, even in retrospect, remains highly polarizing. He was a national commentator whose speeches and writings often divide Americans along political and cultural lines. Designating a street or a holiday in his name risks opening wounds at a time when our city needs healing and togetherness. Traditionally, Westminster reserves such distinctions for individuals who have made direct positive contributions to our community, those who lived, worked, and volunteered here. Mr. Kirk had no personal or civic ties to Westminster. To place his name on All-American Way A route that meant to symbolize unity and shared national ideas would set a politicized precedent that future councils may find difficult to undo. Even symbolic actions have costs, replacing signs, updating records, and the time staff entails in it. But the greater cost is symbolic. The appearance that Westminster endorses a particular ideology or national movement rather than standing above partisanship. In a city as diverse as ours, neutrality is a civic virtue. For these reasons, I respectfully urge the council to decline adopting 9-1-293. Let us remember Mr. Kirk's passing with sympathy, but let us reserve Westminster's official honors for those who have served and unified this city directly. We acknowledge strategy without enshrining controversy. Please keep All-American Way, the name that belongs to all Americans, regardless of political belief. Thank you.

Good afternoon, city council members, and to everyone in attendance. My name is Bryant Fernando Juarez, and today I want to voice my concerns about 9.1. I strongly oppose the renaming of the street Charlie Kirkway. Street names mean more than just another sign. It represents what our community stands for, and picking someone like Mr. Kirk, whose public statements were made in order to divide and oppress minorities, My question to you all is what exact message do you want to send out to our communities? That we support someone with these core beliefs and values? If we are going to put a name on the street, let it be of someone who inspires our future generation, not one who divides them. A name that truly represents equality, progress, community pride. Those are the values we as a city should highlight. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Tim Nelson, followed by Vincent Aniceto.

Hello and good evening, Mayor Nguyen, Vice Mayor Monzo, and all the honorable members of our city council. As you know, I'm here on behalf of the Rose Center Theater, and I just want to express our appreciation to the council for your vision and commitment in commissioning that recent report and the feasibility report. We're grateful that our council on this matter is strong and has a commitment to fostering quality arts in our Westminster community. We are also appreciative for TheatreDNA and for their detailed research and analysis of our operations, as well as our value within the scope of our community. And the recommendation which supports the continuation of our role as the management company for the Rose Center Theatre. Now, we're eager to continue this partnership and to work closely with the city to implement their recommendations. We're also prepared to assume some financial responsibilities to help alleviate any financial pressures, as I know was brought up in the report. It's been our privilege to serve Westminster for two decades, and we're honored to continue that service as we start into our 20th anniversary season. So looking ahead, we're planning our 20th celebration. We've already received a number of exciting program requests from clients, and both of them are old and some new, that want to take place in this milestone event. just a little bit of history as well. When we opened the doors in 2006, our first performance was actually a community performance that we did. We brought together a cross-section from Westminster's cultural richness. In 2026, we were hoping to recreate that same spirit and the unity and artistic collaboration. And we have so many different groups that have become with us, and we have so many new groups that want to join with us as well. We have the Vietnamese American Philharmonic Orchestra, the Clifton Dance Project, the Lacong Dancers, Nickels and Pipes and Drums, and of course, the Rose Center Theater Troupe. And we continue to foster our student relations and our student performances as we work with the Westminster School District and we work with the Huntington Beach Union High School District, of which, as we all know, Westminster High School is a part of. We also work closely with California State Universities and all of their cultural groups. We've had their Vietnamese Student Association, their Chinese Student Association, and their Filipino student organizations. And they're all looking to come back for this big celebration. As a teacher myself and looking around the room, I actually taught several, if not a handful of people that are in the room today, teaching in the Westminster School District for 25 years and then in the Huntington Beach Union School District. I'm just excited to keep fostering the collaboration between school, community, and the arts. And as always, our team, which is comprised of industry professionals, local educational professionals, and community members, continues to work diligently to accommodate as many requests as we receive and to ensure that the Rose Center remains a vibrant, cultural, artistic hub. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Vincent, followed by Myra.

Hello, my name is Vincent Aniceto and I would like to add some comments on the Rose Center Theater and its place in the community as well as the company that operates it. What sets this management team apart is their deep-rooted commitment to community access. They go out of their way to be available and accommodating to local organizations, student groups, and outside renters. Their inclusive approach makes the Rose Center a resource for everyone. Under this group's leadership, the Rose Center has become a second home for hundreds, even thousands of actors, musicians, theater technicians, and students. This is not just a performance venue, it is a living, breathing training ground and launch pad for careers, education, and a lifelong passion for the arts. The Rose Center under this management has actively embraced diversity. They work across communities and cultures to make sure the Rose Center stage reflects the rich, varied voices of our city. On that stage, the community can see a Golden Age Broadway musical, the next day, the Nutcracker from the local ballet school, then a Shakespearean play performed by high school students, the next the comedian Tyrus, and even a Star Wars dance concert. This inclusive spirit strengthens our cultural fabric and builds bridges. For my own family, the Rose Center has been a cornerstone. My family and I have participated in performances, attended events, and created lasting memories here. It has played a vital role in our cultural and our artistic lives. So my family and I are hoping that you will see the valuable and worthwhile work that the current company has been doing at the Rose Center for the community and allow them to continue its operation. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Myra, followed by Kyle Peters.

Good afternoon, council members and members of the community. My name is Mayra Cayena-Baina, and I'm a resident of Westminster, California. I'm actually right down the street, so in the intersection of 15th Street and All-American Way. And I'm here today to express my disappointment and disapproval of the proposed resolution of changing All-American Way into Charlie Kirk Way and making October 14th a holiday to honor Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is not an individual who represents the youth of Westminster. He has spread constant misinformation and perpetuated harmful rhetoric involving minority groups across our nation. I urge all of you to pay attention to the youth of Westminster. Take a look at the intersection of All-American Way and 15th Street. I invite you to ask the youth of 15th Street if we felt inspired by Charlie Kirk. We should not be spending $3,000 honoring his name who had no impact on my community. This funding should be allocated towards expanding programs for our youth, providing leadership opportunities for them to be proud of their city. Charlie Kirk does not represent the pride we have in this city. We should be celebrating individuals who have made a direct impact to our community, the Mendez family who fought for educational freedom and rights, a member of the community who has continued to expand cultural pride and awareness, and our teachers in our districts who often play the dual role of parent and educator. These are the people we should be honoring. These are the people that represent my city. Thank you.

Kyle Peters, followed by Gigi Vo.

Hi, I'll try to keep this concise. So I'm here to speak out against measures 9.1 and 9.2. So when we build statues of people or we rename streets after people, we name public holidays after people is because we're trying to remember those people, and those people did something really good for the community at large. And Charlie Kirk did neither of those things. He was not a resident of the city of Westminster. He was not a resident of Orange County. To my knowledge, I don't even think he's ever even been to the city of Westminster. And the things, and I don't know if any of you guys ever actually listened to his podcast, but I have, because that's the kind of free time that I have. And he very much spoke out against things that, what the people of Westminster are for. He was very much misogynistic, bigoted. Racist and he spoke in so he was very much a gun advocate like he spoke from more guns at schools to solve gun violence as opposed to having fewer guns in schools as novel of an idea that is. And I'm speaking out against this because Charlie Kirk did nothing for the city of Westminster. And also, just one final point. I found out about this measure that you guys are voting on just a couple hours ago on Reddit, which is a... online uh social network and um there were literally hundreds of people that were talking about this and um so i might be the only person from that community uh here tonight um but i think i speak on their behalf for the several other couple hundred other people um from the city of westminster saying that we're all very much against this, and this is not something that we're going to forget about when it comes time to vote for your re-election. So please vote no against measures 9.1 and 9.2. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Gigi Vo, followed by Monique Nguyen.

Oh, American way. Anh đã truyền cảm hứng cho nhiều người trẻ trên khắp cả nước tham gia các hoạt động cộng đồng và góp phần xây dựng cho nước Mỹ. Việc dinh danh anh Charlie tại đây sẽ ghi nhận sự lãnh đạo, sáng suốt và tầm quan trọng của đối thoại cởi mở trong đời sống cộng đồng. Dù bạn thuộc đảng phái chính trị nào, chúng ta cũng nên nói chuyện và chia sẻ ý tưởng để có thể hiểu được quan điểm của nhau. Nếu điều đó hợp lý thì thật là tốt. Nếu không, hãy đồng ý chúng ta bất đồng quan điểm. Việc dinh danh anh Charlie Kirk tại đây sẽ gửi đi một thông điệp tích cực rằng thành phố của chúng ta coi trọng tự do, niềm tin đạo đức và sự tham gia vào cộng đồng. Xin ông thị trưởng và hội đồng thành phố xem xét và đề xuất ý nghĩa này. Và tôi cũng xin trình bày nghị trình 9.4. 9.4. The opening ceremony will be held at the end of the year. The purpose of the ceremony is to encourage people to decorate their homes for the opening ceremony, creating a warm and happy atmosphere in the city. This event only strengthens the participation of people, but also supports. I believe that this program is completely in line with the city's commitment to fostering community spirit and family-friendly traditions, just like the last autumn festival that the city successfully organized for our community. Honorable Mayor and Council Members, my name is Gigi Vo. I would like to voice my support for Agenda 9.1, naming a suite after Charlie Kirk.

He has inspired many young people across the nation to become civically engaged and take part of shaping their communities. Honoring him here would recognize leadership, initiative, and the importance of open dialogue in public life. No matter what political party you are, but we should be able to communicate and share ideas so we can understand each other's point of view. If it makes sense, then it is great. If it's not, let's agree to disagree. Honoring him, he would send a positive message that our city value freedom, conviction, and community involvement. Thank you for considering this meaningful dedication. Regarding item 9.4, holiday home decor contest, The contest aim to encourage residents to decorate their homes for the holiday, creating a warm and welcoming atmosphere throughout the city. This event not only enhance community engagement, but also supports local tourism and strengthen civic pride. I believe this event align beautifully with the city commitment to fostering community spirit and family-friendly tradition. Just like the successful phone festival that the city organized for our community, thank you for your consideration and continued support of initiatives that bring our residents together.

Our next speaker is Monique Nguyen, followed by Non Nguyen.

Good morning, my city council, council members, city staff, and everyone tonight. I come here today to share my thoughts on a couple of agenda items. Regarding item 5.3, our city has a very valuable resource in the road center and its banquet facility. It should be an asset that generates income, not a drain on city resources. With the study from Theater DNA, I hope that whatever decision the council makes today will ensure that this resource continues to serve our community effectively and sustainably. Become an asset, not a liability, through careful management and strategic vision. And regarding item 9.1, the proposal to dedicate a street in honor of Charlie Kirk, I want to express my sincere support for this idea. Charlie Kirk has inspired millions of young people across the country to love their nation, to get involved, and to take responsibility as active citizens. As the founder of Turning Point USA at just 18 years old, he has encouraged young Americans to recognize that their voices matter. that one person truly can make a difference. Naming a street in his honors would acknowledge his leadership, courage, and lifelong commitment to civic engagement, even though people may hold different positions. this dedication represents something greater, a shared respect for freedom, faith, and service to the community. I respectfully ask council to support this proposal so that future generations will be reminded of the power of courage, conviction, and participation.

Sorry, thank you very much. Our next speaker is Ngan Nguyen, followed by Sun Do.

Good evening, Mayor Nguyen and council members. My name is Ngan Nguyen. I'm here tonight to speak about agenda item 9.1, to support naming a street after Charlie Kirk. Charlie has touched the lives of so many young people across our nation. He reminded us to love our country, to have courage, and to never be afraid to stand up for whatever religion we believe in. This isn't just about a street sign. It's about honoring the spirit of leadership and service that inspires others to get involved and give back. When people see that name, they will be reminded that one person's voice can make a difference, and that caring for our community still matters. I also want to mention about Agenda 9.3, and I support this agenda. As communist refugee, I oppose communism and those who support communism. Our refugee community does not welcome communists. of all those who are pro-communist, but coming here and provoking and disturbing the peace of our life. Thank you for listening and thank you for giving thoughtful and consideration to this special recognition. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Sun Do followed by Lap Hua.

Good evening, Mayor Charlie Chee, Pro-Term Mayor Manzo, Nam Quang, and also Member Nguyen, and City, and Officer. Thank you so much for opportunity. I strongly, oh, my name is Sandor. I live in Westminster. I'm totally agree with the two lady, one in black and one just left, or item about the theater and also the item section 941, 942, 943, 944. I'm used to be a soldier and fought for freedom in Vietnam for seven years. So I know the value of the freedom. Freedom is not free. We have to fight for it. We have to protect. So Charlie Court, that symbol of the protect and promote the freedom and fight for freedom, I really admire him. So because I love freedom and freedom the price he paid, that's very, very high for him. So he deserves to be respected and to be honored and to be a good symbol for young generation because in the now and future, we need the freedom in this country. We need someone to fight, to stand for it, to protect. So that's my concern I would like to express to you. would you take serious consideration? Thank you and have a good evening.

Our next speaker is Lap followed by Camilla. Lap, L-A-P, last name H-W-A. Seeing no one, I'm going to move over to Camilla followed by Ducno.

Good evening, Council. Oh, how I wish I could come here and talk to you about actual city business. Like, who decided to plant the trees on the Mendez Trail? And speaking of Mendez, I would like to remind the city, the city council, specifically you, Charlie, Mendez v. Westminster School District, 1947, gave way for the Brown v. Board of Education. It took us until I believe 2020 to actually even honor the Mendez family in this city. And you all of a sudden want to honor Charlie Kirk, a man who never even set foot in this city. And as far as immigration goes and how he felt about you, let me go ahead and quote some things because I want it on the record of what you're trying to honor. America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that. The Charlie Kirk Show, August 22nd, 2025. I would like for you to understand that he is referencing the 1924 Immigration Act, and if he had it his way, you wouldn't be here. Keep that in mind. He also said, the American Democrat Party hates this country. They want to see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white. The Charlie Kirk Show, March 20th, 2024. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the only person on this dais that fits that, what he believed to be superior, is the city attorney, and I would argue against that. So I ask you, what is it that you're trying to honour? Because you're basically spitting in the face of Sylvia Mendez, who I know you personally gave an award to as you sat on this council. All America Way was named that after the city received an award in 1995. Have you thought about the fiscal impact to businesses, to the Coastline Community College District, and all of the reprinting that they're gonna have to do? What about the cost to the Rose Center? Have you thought of any of this? Or did you only think about your political aspirations? And furthermore, you want to honour a gun violence victim when this city has been touched by gun violence. Lest we forget that Orange County, Seal Beach, as a matter of fact, October 12, 2011, the worst mass shooting, the deadliest mass shooting in Orange County's history. They didn't get honored. There's no street for them. How about the city's own city clerk, Amanda Jensen? July 16th, 2017, shot and killed by police captain from Los Alamitos.

What about them, Charlie?

Our next speaker is Duke Ngo, followed by I don't have a name. It's the chair of the Democratic Club of Westminster. We'll start with Duke Ngo. All right, I'll move over to the chair.

Good evening. The other one? Good evening. The two items that I would like to address on the agenda are 9.1 and 9.2. And I am Louise Larson, the chair of the Democratic Club of Westminster. I could speak to you as a resident of Westminster and tell you how offended I am that you would use bipartisan and nonpartisan tax dollars for a pet partisan project such as honoring Charlie Kirk. but I will talk to you as chair of the Democratic Club of Westminster. And as the chair of the Democratic Club, I'm going to tell you that this is against our beliefs in America and the Democratic Party that people should not be judged for who they are. People should be treated with respect and humanity. People should feel like They are included in society, and Charlie Kirk did not make people feel that way. I also do not believe we should take students out of school on a regular school day to honor a person that was so hateful to others. While we are very sorry and mourn his loss and would not want anything tragic like that to happen to him or anyone else, we don't feel that we should have to pay money for you to honor somebody who represented these values. I would also like to mention the other agenda item I had, which was that I'm in opposition of having the Ammo Brothers store be so close to a mosque and the Westminster High School. This links into the Charlie Kirk situation. He died from gun violence, and now we have a store that you can see on the 405 that says Ammo Brothers. And this city has allowed it to be within walking distance of a mosque and a high school, our high school, which I believe is dangerous. And I would hate for anybody to have to suffer what people who loved Charlie Kirk have gone through. Therefore, I don't think this is a well-placed store at all, and I sincerely hope you rethink approving it being so close to these populations. As the chair of the Democratic Club of Westminster, I also want to say that we support free speech, but not when it does not honor inclusion of others and respect for others, and Charlie Kirk did not have any respect for people that were not just like him. So there's a real cognitive disconnect that you would want to use our city's taxpayer dollars for something that clearly is a right-wing pet project and does not speak for all of us. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Daniel Garcia, followed by Roger Mindrum.

Buenas noches, council people. My name is Daniel Garcia, and I am a lifelong resident of Westminster, residing in the second district right near Liberty Skate Park. I am here today because I believe deeply in civil rights, and I am concerned for the direction of our community. I'm speaking today to respectfully but firmly voice my strong opposition to the proposed resolutions 9.1, 9.2. to rename a portion of all-american way to charlie kirkway and to designate october 14th as charlie kirkday while i recognize the intention behind honoring the recently deceased this council has a profound responsibility to ensure that public honors are reserved for individuals who have made demonstrable non-partisan and unifying contributions to our city Westminster's history is rich with authentic local heroes, figures who have direct and lasting impact, such as the families involved in the landmark Mendez versus Westminster case, which is foundational to our city's role in civil rights. The Civil Rights Act, which grew from that very struggle, protected many of our immigrant communities from discrimination in workplace education and our right to vote. Mr. Kirk, however, is a national figure whose connection to our city is at best nominal. Chiquito, little, none. He did not reside here, build his organization here, or lead any significant long-term civic projects in Westminster. The renaming of All American Way is especially concerning because the current name is a unifying statement. All American Way is a universally positive, inclusive, and patriotic designation. It perfectly encompasses the diverse, successful immigrant story of our city, particularly that of Little Saigon. and speaks to our core identity. Replacing this universally appreciated name with that of a partisan figure diminishes the original unifying message and politicizes a public aspect. I was a kid, nearly a teen, when Liberty Park and Freedom Park were built. I know what local commitment looks like. I urge city council to reject these proposed resolutions And instead, I ask council to establish a clear nonpartisan policy for public honors, a policy that prioritizes direct measurable contribution to the city of Westminster and unifying figures who can be celebrated by our entire community, not just one side. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Our next speaker is Roger Mindrum, followed by Kimberly Ho.

Good evening. Roger Mindrum, resident of Rosemaster. I didn't get a packet because it looks like there wasn't enough printed for everyone. So just starting out with the subject of the Rose Center. really appreciate everything that that everyone does within the Rose Center I've attended quite a few shows there and I plan on going to more because of they were just so incredible on their talents and quality and you can just see the joy and everyone that is either onstage or support so mr. Tim Nelson and Mr. Aniceto who's one of the actors a big fan of now since I've seen him in the last couple of shows and he's gonna be on the next one also Miss Dana Carey, thank you for everything you've done for the city in the community. I think it's quite disrespectful Mr. Mayor of how you've treated her tonight Let people finish their sentence that's just Such a horrible look on you, but that's who you are. Regarding the renaming of the street signs, I'm not going to say anything negative about Charlie Kirk. I've actually been a fan of his since probably when he was in his early 20s and he first got started. I've been following him. But I understand that a lot of people don't, whether they take things out of context, like so many people have done since his untimely death. but even if the people do understand everything that he had to say and his beliefs and what he did, it is still divisive. Not only that it's divisive and you can hear the people tonight, that I have to respect even the people that I don't agree with, some of the people I know, some of the people I consider friends that are on the opposite side of politics, but I respect them and I respect their point of view and I think you should too. And as much of really just not only that but the cost of it is just irresponsible to the community and the finances of the city and Even what what money was already spent on preparing for this and any money that would be spent It's just a really bad look all around and I'll urge you to vote no on on that whole subject and then on the subject of the what I don't have a I don't have a packet here, but whatever you're doing on communism is You think you're gonna keep people out of the city because they're communists? You can't keep anybody out of the city. What are you gonna do? I'm curious on what your conversation of this is gonna be because it's just ridiculous. This is America. Everyone is entitled to be here no matter what your political views are.

Our next speaker is Kimberly Ho followed by Nat Lynn.

Good evening.

I should take my heels off. Good evening, honorable mayor. members of the City Council, fellow residents, and friends. My name is Kimberly Ho. As a proud longtime resident and former member of this council, I'm truly grateful to stand before you tonight. It's wonderful to see so many familiar faces Thank you for the opportunity to speak on the important issue. The proposed redesignation of the street name signs honoring Charlie Kirk on All-American Way between Westminster Boulevard and 13th Street. Before we consider any changes, I want to reflect on the meaning of All-American Way. I remember the excitement of 1996 when Westminster received the All-American City Award from National Civic League. The council then named the street in that spirit because it winds through the Civic Center toward Vietnam War Memorial at Sid Goldstein Freedom Park, where sacrifices is honored. The All-American Way isn't just a directional marker. It's a symbol of who we are. It reflects Westminster American story, one shaped by resilience, diversity, and quiet triumphs. Tonight, I speak with a heavy heart in urging the council to reconsider the change. In a city where more than 40% of residents share Vietnamese heritage, where the legacy of Mendez versus Westminster, as I heard someone mention earlier, still guides our pursuit of equity, renaming or overlaying the street risk diminishing a piece of our collective history. Adding a Second Street name beneath All American Way also creates practical concerns, confusion for residents, visitors alike. But what's more important is that we should preserve the symbolic power of a single name. A standalone name carries more weight, clarity, and dignity than a layered name. Adding a second name simply dilutes that power and keeping that consistency with our civic identity and branding. Furthermore, our shared legacy matters. To alter it now, especially at a moment when local outlets like the Orange County Tribune have already amplified this debate, could unintentionally send a message that our history is negotiable, when it should remain our foundation.

Your time is up.

Unfortunately, thank you. I ran out of time. Thank you very much.

Our next speaker is Nat Lynn, followed by our final speaker, Terry Raines.

Xin chào thị trưởng, phó thị trưởng và các đồng viện trong thành phố. Tôi tên là Nhật Linh, là một cư dân của thành phố. Thường thì tôi rất ít khi đến các cuộc họp của hội đồng. Tôi đặt niềm tin ở các vị dân cử và các chuyên viên, nhân viên của thành phố. Tôi tin các vị sẽ có lương tâm của một dân cử, một viên chức chính phủ. If there are any specific cases that need the voice of the residents, I will come to express my opinion to bother you. Today, I would like to express my opinion on the following issues. All American Charlie Cutway. Yes. One hand, one hand.

Hello, Mayor, Deputy Mayor and colleagues. Hello, everyone. I am Yat Linh, a resident of the city. Normally, I rarely attend meetings in the city council. I put my trust in the elected official experts and city staff. I believe you will have the conscience of an elected citizen, a government official. Only in specific cases when the voice of the people is needed will I come to express my opinion. Bothering you? Today I would like to present my opinion on the following item. I would like you to agree to name the street on American Charlie Court Way. Please put aside the notions of party affiliation. Look at the unjust death of a young man with a passionate patriotic spirit. a man who knew how to live according to God's will, respected God, loved his parents, wife, and children very much, clearly understood the role of a citizen, bravely committed, rushed forward, contributed opinion and criticism to the young generation. to together come up with an ideal life for the fatherland. It can be said that because of the painful politicians, it led to the painful death of Charlie Kirk. With the love and regret of so many people for him, Charlie Kirk deserved to have his name on the street board as a memorial and model for the way of living for the fatherland, for the young generation.

Our final speaker is Terry Raines.

Hello. Items 3-1 and 3-2, I sent emails with corrections and questions. 3-3 and 3-4, I did my best to get these ordinances corrected. You're welcome. 3-5, congrats on the $256,000 grant. to help reduce gun violence and enhance public safety. 3.7, crime is down, rape and arson is up only due to reporting and classification changes. 3.8, if only more unhoused people would accept help. Just 28 referrals from 473 outreach visits. 3.9, the public works right away program replaces the now defunct community preservation unit. but they're still cleaning up our city 310 congrats on the last 2.8 million from octa bringing the final total to 7.3 million let's hope this gets the punch list items done 312 listen up it's not uncommon for municipalities to subsidize local theaters to foster access to the arts for their residents enhancing their quality of life the city shouldn't try to profit directly from the theater by nickeling and diming them to death 313 how much of the substantial delay in the rfp process caused by an initial low bald estimate and too wide of a project scope by the city engineer cost the city due to increased project costs now three fourteen utility easement quick claim deed is on the consent calendar is okay but the sale of parcel of public parkland liberty park is not the city recently paid for an appraisal of the liberty park parcel for what purpose five one staff deserves a big round of applause for another successful fall festival event Even with the tenants down, revenues covered expenses except for about $41,000 in staff time versus $34,500 last year. 5.2, approve this operating agreement which will pour $13.1 million into our city coffers over the next 30 years. This is a formality to receive and file the Theater DNA's Roe Center study and recommendations already presented and discussed at the October 15th study session that Council Member West arrived an hour late for and just showed up now. Six one, this is unnecessary. Whose idea is this? The staff report states, that staff research other cities, how they handle similar requests, but there includes nothing from that research except Huntington Beach's Mayor Spotlight Program. Where's the rest? We sure as hell aren't Huntington Beach, thank God, and they have a rotational mayor, so apples to oranges. The mayor's exception is still in our policy, so vote no. Section 9, the bullshit items from council members. Yes to 9-4, but hell no to 9-1, 9-2, and 9-3. Charlie Kirk was a right-wing religious activist who did nothing to benefit our city. Read the handouts I gave you with Kirk's racist and discriminatory remarks. Honoring him just further divides our community along race, partisan, and religious lines, so just stop. You're adjourned a meeting in his honor already. That's enough. I'm a nonpartisan, nonreligious activist in Westminster. I work hard every single day to benefit our city and its residents. Where are my street signs? How about my birthday, July 14th, is Terry Raines Day? I'm joking, of course, but it would make more sense to rename streets and honor someone who actually contributed to our city and all its residents versus the divisive Kirk or random historical figures from Vietnam. It's time to add street name signs to the 2009 street naming facility's name. Stop the campaign bullshit.

Your time is up.

Mayor, we have no further speakers.

All right. Thank you very much. I know that, you know, we hear you. We hear your opinions. I mean, you are entitled to your opinions, but there are people who they have their own opinions, too. So we have to respect each other in terms of, you know, related to the issues that we are having in front of us. So with that, I will close the, I will close the items right now. Where's my, I will close the oral communication for the concerning agenda items and we'll move on with the consent calendar. All matters listed under consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by a single motion followed by a roll call vote. There will be no separate discussions of these items unless members of the city council or staff request that specific item be removed from the consent calendar for separate action or discussions. So this time I would like to put item 3.7, 3.8, and 3.12 for further discussion. Anything else from the council?

Yes, Mayor. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Go ahead, Mr. Vice Mayor.

I would like to put item 3.9, 3.9, 3.10, and 3.13. 3.13. Anything else?

Okay, is there a motion to approve the rest of the items?

Motion to approve.

3.12?

I'm not sure. Did we point 3.12?

Did you have 3.12 already removed? Okay, perfect. All right.

Not removed, but two. Okay, so is there a motion? I believe that we have the motion, right? From Council Member Nam Kwan Win? I second. Did you move? Yeah, second. Okay. All right, we have motion and a second to approve the rest of the item. So it will be except for 3.7, 3.8, 3.12. including 3.9, 3.10, and 3.13.

I'm sorry, the second was, I have a motion by Nam Quang and second?

And seconded by Vice Mayor Mansoor.

Thank you. I have a motion made by District 4, Councilmember Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo. This is to approve the consent calendar with agenda item numbers 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, 3.10, 3.12, and 3.13, pulled for separate discussion. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West, aye. District 3, Council Member Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

3.7, City of Westminster crime statistic, a comparison between 2024 and 2025 third quarter reports. For the reason that I put this item is because I want to make sure that our public safety always inform the residents as well as the city council and staff of the condition of our city where we are in term of crime or in term of public safety. So at this time, I would like to ask for a stop report, please.

Good evening, Mayor, council members. While the city clerk pulls up a relevant slide, I'll go ahead and get started. These are the crime statistics for the third quarter. We compared the third quarter of this year with the third quarter of last year. I'm happy to report there's been a decrease in crime, approximately 18%. That does follow national trends right now, so we're not unique in that decrease in crime. We did have a few categories. Luckily, not overall, but a few categories that on the chart when it's up there, you'll see does seem to be a spike. As discussed in prior meetings with the Council on our crime statistics and the nationally us moving over to a different reporting system, there will be these spikes. So those... The two red areas you see on both arson and rape are due to our reporting systems, and the reasons are specified in the staff report. I open myself up to any questions you might have.

I can see significant reduction in term of the crime statistic, but except for the rape and also ocean, that we can see that it doubled 100%. So did you have any chance to find out why it is, and do you have any, have you considered any measure to take care of it?

Yes, so under the former way that we kept records, and again, this is dictated to us by the federal government, it was called UCR, the Uniform Crime Reporting, and that would take an incident, and only one stat would come from that incident. For example, if you had, in this case, a rape case, and there was also subsequent crimes to it, like maybe they robbed the person as well. Maybe they committed a different type of an assault and then stole something. That incident, we would just take, with these guidelines under UCR, we would take the most serious crime and that's the only stat it would get. Under the new reporting system, which is called NIBRS, we stat each and every crime. So instead of that incident having one statistic for the most serious crime, we have to count all the lesser crimes too. And that messes up our statistics when we compare them with 2024 to 2025. Now, the nice thing is these statistics will fix themselves as time goes on, and we're comparing NIBRS with NIBRS instead of NIBRS with UCR. I hope that makes sense. And if it doesn't, We have our crime analyst here that can actually take technical questions on that.

Yeah, it makes sense. And thank you very much for considering that. Is there anything else from Del Caso here?

Yes.

Go ahead.

Okay, yes, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Excuse me. So, Chief, thank you for reporting, you know, that there's decrease in many other areas except for two. I guess my question is for those last two spike in the reporting, is it due to the reduce of police presence in the city? Is that what it is, the cause for the spike on those two area?

No, it is not.

Okay. And then are there certain demographic or socioeconomic factors that contribute to this spike?

To our knowledge, there's no correlation that we know of.

Okay. And how has recent laws or reform, you mentioned briefly on it, such as early release program or no cash bail affect the crime rates that's shown here?

I can't say it's tied to any specific events. I think on that question I might have to defer that one to the crime analyst who's much more of an expert in this field than I am. I'd like to introduce our crime analyst who is a resident expert in this field.

That's awesome. Thank you.

To the podium.

Good evening. Could you please repeat the question, counsel?

Yeah, absolutely. So how is the recent laws or reforms such as early release programs or no cash bail affect these crime rates that we see?

So the increases with the rapes and the arsons, I read every one of those reports, and there's no indication that those have affected the crimes. The only change in laws is the arson, which includes, like, incorporates even, like, the flicking of a cigarette that incites, like, a fire in the garbage can. Now that is counted. Before it was intentional setting of fires. So that explains the increase in the arsons.

I see. So basically what I'm hearing is that the data you guys are collecting versus the actual crime, right, that's intentional. So it's just the data that you guys are collecting on this database of anything.

It's more inclusive. Yes, for the arsons.

Okay, got it. Okay, thank you. So I really appreciate that.

Thank you.

yeah and uh chief i really appreciate your department you know keeping our cities safe and your uh basically speed light and getting to the destination of the crime or an incident under four i believe or under five so it's phenomenal and we really appreciate your guys effort in that and delivering that for the city thank you and thank you to our crime analysts for answering those questions as well yeah thank you

I have one question. Chief, thank you for your report and all your hard work, and thank you for the analysts. Is it next year when we're going to start being able to compare numbers with numbers, or is it longer than that?

We think it'll be next year. I know there's some carryovers. Many cities and many police chiefs that I speak to are struggling with comparing apples to oranges right now, and this is coming up at many city councils because it's not a clean comparison. So we're hoping next year we should be past this.

Okay.

Thank you. You bet.

All right. With that, I move to approve the item. Second it. Motion and second on the floor.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo. This is to receive in file. I'll go to call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West.

Fan West, aye.

District 3, Councilmember Nguyen. Yes. Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen. Yes. Motion carried 4-0.

3.8, Cedar Westminster Homeless Outreach 2025 Third Quarter Report. I know that you've been working hard and I've been visiting different sites and we have the positive result on that. So I appreciate that, but I would like to hear from you, please.

Yes, thank you, Mayor, and I have to agree with you. Our HLO homeless liaison officer staff are working very, very diligently on homeless-related issues throughout our community. Very, very hard-working unit for our city. In this quarter, and I want to emphasize quarter, they conducted 473, actually over 473, outreach visits to known encampments and high-need areas. That's a lot, and I want to remind the Council that this is a five-officer unit with two dedicated caseworkers and one sergeant. So it's not like 50 officers working this. And in that quarter, that was their workload. That's a tremendous amount. In fact, the CM comments to counsel, there's an outreach program, I'll remind everyone, tomorrow morning right out here in the parking lot that they're meeting with the public and business owners and whatnot to educate them on that. Some statistics for, again, just this quarter, they did 28 referrals where they're getting people into housing or drug treatment, alcohol treatment programs, and really trying to solve those issues other than incarceration. Proud of them for doing that. Proud of them for thinking out of the box. Proud of them to get that many people into those programs in just one quarter. There were 116 arrests made. I want to emphasize that that was after services are offered. They try to get them into programs. If they just won't go, we use arrests as a last resort, and unfortunately, they do have to use that frequently. They also wrote 70 citations. They contacted 28 businesses, and they cleared 34 encampments, which do pose a public health issue for us. In fact, they were out there, was it today or yesterday, in one of the drainage canals that we often get complaints on and i know practically every member of council has contacted me on at one time or another on what we can do with those areas most are county but we do get involved in some of those and they did a tremendous effort this week on one of them and items of interest was sent out today to council with pictures on before and after in that area going to our Facility where we house the CCNC our bed count. We currently have 20 Homeless residents if you will in beds at our navigation facility There's a total of 22 beds. So we have two open beds Our sergeant-at-arms happens to be the sergeant in charge of the HLO unit. He's assured me those beds will probably get filled this week Probably after tomorrow's event So we're at maximum capacity, so it's good that we have that navigation center. And with that, I'm open to any questions you might have on this matter.

Looking at the third quarter statistic 2025 report, with the numbers right there, I can tell you that you've been working hard, working really hard. to get that cleanup or help with the homeless people. So on behalf of the city council and city staff, I want to thank you for taking charge in getting that done. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor, and I would like to, you know, if we're throwing thank yous out there, I would like to add that, especially with the homeless situation, we get tremendous support from not only the City Manager's Office, but also the Public Works Department and the Community Development Department.

All right, thank you. Is there anything from the Council here?

I have a question for the Chief. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Chief, again for your report. On the 20 businesses contacted, Did those folks sign on to the letter that allows our PD to enforce no trespassing on their property?

That's a good question. The business signing up for trespass letters, which authorized police to enforce trespassing and other laws on their property, was recently changed. We had a tremendous amount of trespass letters on file with us allowing us to take police action on private property. However, the state recently did change the law regarding that to where those trespass letters have to be notarized and we police can't be the ones notarizing them. So it made it very difficult on the business owner.

How do you go about doing that?

It makes it difficult, but we do. And for that question, I'm going to call our very own Sergeant at Arms, Sergeant Kent, who runs our HLO unit, who has that information. Sergeant Kent?

Welcome.

Good evening.

So for the business contacts, that's specifically referring to businesses receiving and filing trespass authorization forms with the police department. So those are the completed forms where our homeless liaison officers have gone out, made contact, provided these forms to these business owners. They complete it and have it notarized and they turn it back into us. We file that form and we keep it on file for up to one year.

Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you.

Anything else from the council?

Yes. Thank you. So, Chief, which metric improve the most and which area decline as a quarter, the third quarter and the second quarter that you notice?

Councilwoman, can you just metric which category are you speaking of?

basically with this third quarter which metric improved the most that you notice and then which area declined that may be opportunity for improvement in the next quarter so I'm gonna have to say most stayed the same we do have two openings in our beds at the navigation center I believe last quarter we didn't have any so I would say

I don't know if I'd look at that as an improvement or which way to go on that, but we do have two beds that, again, will probably get filled here pretty quickly. And last time we did the quarterly updates, we didn't have any available beds.

Okay. And how long can they stay there for? Are there a timeframe?

As far as the shelter goes, I don't know the exact time limit. Usually the shelter is a temporary placement until we can get them more of a official long-term housing, apartment, condo, et cetera. Most people that go in there receive help with rehabilitation from drugs and other things. It's a temporary position, but there have been times where people have been there for up to close to a year before they can receive housing.

Okay. Thank you. And then for 70 citations that I saw on the record here, 70 citations to the homeless or to criminals?

Those are actually criminal citations, and there's a wide variety of them, from trespass to possession of narcotics and nuisance crimes as well.

And how successful are those citations? Do they come and pay for it or do they show up?

Most of those citations are issued and to be frank, a lot of them go to what's called a warrant where people fail to pay for it, fail to show up to court, and then later they'll have to be placed under arrest for that warrant, which actually correlates with the arrests. Most of the arrests that are shown on our third quarter stats are related to warrants where people fail to adhere to the law.

Okay, thank you. Really appreciate that.

All right, move to approve the item 3.8. I second.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. This is to receive and file. I'll go to call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West.

Fan West, aye.

District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

And Mayor Nguyen. Yes. Motion carried, 5-0.

3.9, update on City of West Minnesota Public Works Department right-of-way program. Staff member, please.

Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Councilmember. Tonight, staff would like to provide an overview of the newly created program we call the Right-of-Way Program, short for ROWE. With this program, Public Works Department can effectively and proactively to address the issue with abandoned bulky items and debris in a public right-of-way. With me tonight, I have Vinnie Huante. He is the public works supervisor in charge of parks divisions, and he will go over the program. Thank you.

Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, council members.

It's not on.

there we go good evening mayor vice mayor and council members my name is vincent juanthe i am a public works supervisor parks division public works tonight would like to update you the city council on how we are providing services for bulky and abandoned items in public right-of-way areas a little bit of background on how we got this program established with this group as we brought them over into Public Works, the right-of-way, or as we like to call them, the Row Crew, which was formerly known as Community Preservation Unit, CPU, was streamlined to Public Works as of July of this year. The crew consists of seven employees. Their duties are related to CPU's efforts that were absorbed by the Public Works Department and Code Enforcement Division. Most staff members from the Dissolved CPU Division were reassigned to the Public Works Department which is my parks division. We provide seven-day coverage throughout the city, and the ROE program, like I said, consists of seven-day-a-week coverage with seven employees. Some of the job duties that ROE does. The ROE program's primary focus is to eliminate blight by removing abandoned items in the public right-of-way and properly addressing homeless encampments. We remove and clean discarded or illegally dumped items and debris in the public right-of-ways, alleys, and hot spots. We regularly inspect residential streets in each council district for discarded trash and abandoned items, and we work closely with PDs, homeless outreach, cleaning up homeless encampments. Some of the results. Since we implemented logging and generating work orders in the field we have reduced the number of reports from residents through the city app and direct calls to public works as of july during the kickoff to our row program we completed 109 work orders that were given through either the city app or direct phone calls to public works In August, this is when we started generating proactive work orders in the field. So this is the row crew actually taking a tablet out there and we go out there and we take pictures of everything and then we create the work order right then and there. So that number has jumped significantly to 238 work orders completed. In September, we completed 145 work orders and in October, we did 129. So you're seeing a pattern of it going real high in August because we started that program to now we're being on top of it. So you're seeing the pattern of the numbers dropping. We see a drop in these work orders since row staff are continually patrolling and generating work orders themselves. Since we are constantly patrolling and picking up items, our numbers are lower than when we first started. As of today, 68% of work orders are generated by the Rowe staff, which leaves 32% reported by the public. During a four month period, Rowe has picked up approximately 29 tons of abandoned and discarded items. As of October, row staff has collected the following bulky items, and these are just the bigger bulky items that I'm giving you today. We picked up 61 couches that include sectionals, left seats, and full size, 51 desks and cabinets, 21 refrigerators, which were single or double door, 80 chairs, which were dining or reclining, 40 shopping carts, 18 tables, 90 mattresses, which were twin, full, queen, or king, 24 TVs, eight washers, three dryers, and five toilets. These figures exclude other items located on private property that have been cleared by the property owners while collaborating with the row team. Here are some of the items that have been collected and how the trucks look. The subject report provides an update of rows program activities as a result, highlighting its overall effectiveness. We recommend tonight that we recommend action is to receive and file the report and staff is available to answer any questions. Thank you.

Thank you very much for your hard work there, but would you please take us back to slide number five?

Yes. All right.

What I see is right there in front of, probably in front of the house in the alley, not the back alley, but the front here. What I'm saying is that I believe that there is also a shared workload with the Midway City Sanitary District. For the items that are on the back island, then we are responsible for that, or the items that you're laying around. But for the fun here, we can always talk to the residents and have them call Midway City Sanitary District and, you know, and then deliver it out on the day that they are, you know, trusted, they're trusted. Then the city of, I mean, the Midway City Sanitary District, they are going to take it away for, then we don't have to do that. I'm not trying to give the workload to the Midway City, but I understand they are responsible for part of their workload, and then we can leverage that.

Thank you, Mayor. That's a good point. For a long time, we've been doing that. We've been contacting the property owners adjacent or the items in front of those properties Majority of the time they refuse, it's not theirs. They claim it's illegal dumping right in front of their property. So that's the reason why, if they've not been scheduled with Midway City Sand District for pickup, we have to pick them up.

And tomorrow we'll be educating them too as well, Mayor. We were asked to join the HOL team to help, you know, we got Midway City gave us some flyers to pass out too, so we'll be passing those out as well.

All right. Thank you very much. Now I can understand why. Okay.

I have a couple questions. Yep. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, on that topic, a while back ago, I had contacted members of the They were city sand district. And then also one of the previous manager was asking, because I see residents, according to them, they don't know. So they put bulky items out at Trash Day. And Midway, they can't take them. So I had asked them, Midway, if they can tag them and put some sort of tag on the items with instructions of the phone number and all that. But I was told that takes too long. It takes 12 seconds, and we can't afford 12 seconds. That's what I was told. So I had a big problem with that. Because then we're responsible for it. Questions on patrolling? Or I guess let me go back. So you mentioned that you take a work order, so you take a work order and then somebody else comes back later to address that work order, or is it picked up that same moment?

So how it works now in the field, we've issued tablets to our row guys. So they'll go to a site, They'll take pictures of what it is. They'll generate the work order. They'll pick it up and take it away. So we're on site right now. So we cut the middleman out. So it's actually beneficial for all of us. And then it goes back to me, and I get all the emails that come through. So it's kind of a check.

So we don't do a work order, and then somebody else comes back a different day and picks it up?

You can if it's through the website.

No, like your team, like the seven team members. They don't generate the work order, then come back a different day. No, no, no. They got to do it right then and there. That's how they're trained. Okay.

Right then and there.

Good. And they're also, what about patrolling? Are they constantly patrolling?

Yeah, so how it works is each week we try to focus on one district because there's so many spots. Hot spots are alleyways. We try to really get the alleyways or there's normal spots where we see illegal dumping. That's what we try to patrol every single day because no matter what, every day something gets dumped.

All right. What other questions I have? Oh. You said hotspots and I seen some of these are. I personally seen a lot on the same property and it typically it's a like a multi family building. Do we make sure that we contact the property owner and put some pressure on the property owner to make sure that he's instructing their tenants, not to be putting those items on the do we do that.

Yeah, so we work really closely with code enforcement as well in taking photos. So if it becomes a habit, a habit spot that we like to call a hotspot, we take photos of it, and then we'll send an email back, and we're all on this email chain between each other to let us know, and then code enforcement keeps an eye on it.

Yeah, because I think sometimes they would think, oh, that's just what you do. You just put it out there, and that's the process. But no, we have to contact them to let their tenants know and not to keep doing that, to call the phone number and do it that way.

Yeah, that's what we're doing.

All right, that's all I got. Thank you very much for your hard work. So tell me the things that you're in charge of because it seems like it's too many to me. I'll make a motion to receive and file. Thank you. Second.

I have a few questions. Go ahead. Thank you. What specific outcome is the right-of-way cleanup program intended to achieve and how are those measured?

so we the cpu before would help with the cleaning up encampments and cleaning up um bulky items right so our what we're really focused on is all the abandoned items that are throughout the city we like to keep the city clean we got seven guys who go around and they do a really great job about of keeping the city clean i mean the numbers speak for itself So we have seen those numbers significantly drop. So as long as we keep that up, I think the community will be happy and council will be happy so that we don't have discarded items out there.

Exactly. I appreciate that. And what baseline data do we have on current conditions to compare against future improvements?

Could you repeat that again one more time?

So what baseline data... do we have on current conditions to compare against the future improvements?

So this is probably the baseline data for this quarter. So in quarterly, I would like to present to you guys quarterly each an update on how our staff is doing. In theory, the numbers should be dropping lower because we're on top of it more, right? So I think this is a good base, as you can see how many tons. So you'll get a quarterly update about how much tonnage we pick up in those three months. Is that me?

Yeah. Does that help? Okay, and then you take it to the waste?

Well, we do all that. We get all everything, the pitchers, the tonnage, and then we take care of that on our end, and then it goes out.

Got it, okay. And then how will we know if the program is actually reducing the blight, improving safety, or increasing community satisfaction? I know that you're talking about. all of this thing that you want to reduce, but how is the program that you have right now in place help reducing that?

I think it's keeping the streets cleaner for us. We're allowing in certain specific locations where street sweeping was having an issue. We actually have a lot of our hot spots that are being cleared out now continually. And it's cutting down the bulky items within the city. And I think that's the main focus is that nobody wants an eyesore on their property, right? So that's what we're there for is to get that out.

Yeah, and I think you guys are doing a great job in District 1 because we don't have much of the complaint, but here and there we have a complaint, but besides that, it's pretty good. I think you guys are doing a great job. Thank you.

Mayor, I have another question, or a request, I should say, maybe for your next time. Can you, along with your data and the map versions, I've seen them maybe... you know, put dots on maybe hotspots where this is happening so we know, for you guys as well, you know, but can we bring that to council to show us as well?

Absolutely, we'll create a hotspot map for you and then we'll even do a comparison of data where you can see it in a tablet.

Okay, that'd be great.

Okay.

Yes, I just want to ask, thanks for the update, but is there a plan to expand the scope of the road program in the future to include, for example, cleaning up some of the streets in terms of trash on some of the main streets that I often see?

so what's really awesome lately is in a high wind have you guys noticed uh sometimes when the palm fronds go down or or there's is trash in the street somewhere we are guys have actually been doing that um we've actually been picking up like before sweep day or like that going into each district we have actually been the guys have took it upon themselves to get all that stuff before street sweeping day and we actually do some sidewalk blowing which we're starting to incorporate in that as well so we're trying to we're slowly but surely getting there but we're getting there so that's will be something in the future that we present to you as well all right thank you

All right. I have to say this. This is my seventh year here. But recent years, I can see that a lot of effort put into, you know, getting the workforce, you know, them for the city. And I appreciate each and every one of you. I appreciate the leadership and each department that they actually step up and do a lot of work for the cities. I don't have to say this. If you are around, you will see that. And the report from today, the statistic, that from each department, from public works, from PDs, we can see that, and from the homeless. I, again, appreciate for your work, for your hard work, and keep it up. Thank you. All right, so is there a motion? I think we have the motion and second on the floor, everybody.

Yes, I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Monzo, seconded by Mayor Nguyen. This is to receive and file the report. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilman Fen West.

Fen West, aye.

District 3, Councilmember Nguyen. Yes. District 4, Councilmember Nguyen. Yes. Vice Mayor Monzo. Yes. Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

3.12, continue from the September 10, 2025 meeting, First Amendment for the Theater Operation and Cultural Programming of the Rose Center with the Friends of Abbey Center, DBA Friends of the Rose Center Theater, California Nonprofit 501 Corporation. I was the one who pulled up this item. Mayor, I think we skipped item 3.10.

Yes, we pulled item 3.10.

Did we talk about, oh, well, I check market, so that's why I skipped that. Sorry about that. So let's go back to 3.10. For some reason, I checked that. Amendment number nine to cooperative agreement number C-3-3615 between Orange County Transportation Authority, OCTA, and the City of Westminster for the I-405 improvement projects. So stop. Stop, please.

Thank you, Mayor, Council Members, ladies and gentlemen. I apologize for the delay. My name is Adolfo Zayda. I'm the Assistant City Manager. And it's my pleasure to present the final, and I stress final, because this has been a 20-year endeavor. It's the final cooperative agreement for the 405 Improvement Project. A lot of key features to talk about. It was a $2 billion project. At one point, it was the largest infrastructure project in the state of California. And we in Westminster were the most impacted city along the corridor, followed by Fountain Valley. But if we really look back to 2005, we were under construction with the 22. Shortly thereafter, we were under construction with the West County Connectors Project, which was on the west side of town. And then we began construction on the 405. So District 1 folks have been under construction for 20 years. So it's not lost to me personally that they have gone through a lot. And I just want to thank them for their patience But we have a lot of exciting things to talk about in this presentation. 18 bridges were replaced, 12 of those bridges are in Westminster. Interchanges, ramp configurations with the ramps and the interchanges came new traffic signals. We had one of probably the last off ramps that was stopped controlled in the county, so we were able to clean that up. And then property impacts. We had construction happening in the backyard of residents. We had people that lost tiny little slivers of their backyards but were compensated for that impact. And we also had tremendous utility relocations. Originally, the project was not going to relocate water lines along the freeway. Those are going to be the responsibility of the different agencies. That would have been millions of dollars, and we were able to negotiate all of those utility relocations to be done as part of the project. It's one of the reasons the project went from 1.2 billion to 2 billion by the time we were completed with the project. Here's the corridor. We're all very familiar with that. The original freeway project did not allow us to widen the freeway without demolishing the bridges, which is why we had to demolish so many bridges as part of the project. Some key milestones, I won't talk about all of them, but I will go back to the first one. Mid-April of 2005 is the first time that OCTA came to the city of Westminster and presented us with 19 possible alternatives for the freeway project. One of them was a double-decker freeway. Another one had buses in the middle. Another one had a future light rail in the middle. And the most impactful alternative would have eliminated hundreds of homes, mainly in District 1, and many businesses along the corridor. So I do want to thank the current council, the council members, all the way back to 2005. I came before different council bodies over the years, and never did we have a different vote. Everybody was unanimous, supporting quality of life in the community. and that is what the staff was committed to do. So for me personally, I've been on this project since day one. My first day on the job, I attended the town hall meeting and I came back for day two, right? So we completed the project December 1st, 2023. That's when all lanes and bridges opened. When you deal with milestone, big projects like this, mega projects, the main metric is, did we have worker safety? We were able to build this project never closed the freeway never closed the street completely we kept traffic moving and we were proud that not a single worker was uh was uh there were no fatalities on this project that's really the biggest metric for a successful project of this magnitude uh this is the old springdale bridge later on i'll show you a picture of the new and improved um the bridges needed to come down they came down in the middle of the night i did host different council members at these At these, we call them bridge bash parties as we're out there watching the demolition crew. Keep in mind that as these freeways were being demolished, all freeway traffic was diverted onto city streets. So we did have a lot of detour routes in the city and that goes into the next topics related to compensation. Here's some more pictures that I took during some of those bridge demos. Our workers, our city of Westminster public works staff, not only did we have engineers that worked on the project, let me take a step back, every single person in the city worked on this project. city attorney's office planners city manager's office we had notaries we had engineers planners and when it came to touching our precious utilities our public works yard employees were out there sometimes at night as you can see here when things went wrong or when the contractor got confused we were out there to point them in the right direction because The thing with local government is that if you do have a continuity of staff, nobody knows the infrastructure as well as your dedicated employees.

So these folks in this slide are public works yard employees.

Talked a little bit about the opportunities. I won't spend too much time on that. Just show some images. Widened freeways, new ramps, widened intersections, and everything underground got replaced. The freeways themselves were close to 60, 70 years old. They did not meet the latest seismic standards. So now we have wider bridges, seismically retrofitted, constructed to the newest standards, safer bridges. pedestrian walkways on both sides of the bridges. Some bridges, the old bridges only had sidewalk on one side. So we really took a more holistic approach and we designed and worked on this freeway project to ensure that everybody is served, not just the motorists that are driving through town. Skip through these here, more locations where we got improvements. Um, Margie rice park is a location where we were able to widen the park. So we actually increased park size in the city on this project, which, uh, which most people would think a widening of a freeway project would eliminate park space. We actually were able to cover. a drainage area and create more green space for the public. We acquired a park that had been leased to us, Cascade Park here on the bottom right was a Caltrans property. And during the course of the project, we negotiated a purchase of that property at a very, very good price. So again, we increased park space in the city as a part of a freeway project. That never really happens on projects of this magnitude. Sound walls were not included originally on the project. We fought hard for sound walls. In the past, members, residents in District 1 in particular, could be in their community and see the top part of Big Rigs driving by. You could sometimes see the driver, right, depending on where you were located in the community. These walls were built to the right, to the appropriate size to address site intrusion and sound intrusion as well. So a lot of credit there. Some sound walls were not included as part of the project, and we fought with community members. We fought alongside community members and worked with OCTA to build walls that were never intended to be built in the first place. We were able to correct some of these oversights during the course of the project. So that's the new picture there of the Springdale Bridge that I mentioned earlier. The landscaping is nicer, it's easier to maintain, and it is a part of an overall landscaping plan for the entire corridor. 20 years ago, we started working on what art would look like along the corridor, what the walls would look like, and what the landscaping would look like. And we do have a uniform look along the corridor. That's something that all the corridor cities wanted. They wanted people to notice that they were driving through Orange County from point A to point B and enjoy the drive and be interested in understanding what streets they were going through. I had a big part in making sure that every bridge actually has the name of the street on it. So as you're driving by, you can do a mental note and understand what part of the county you're in. And here's really the summary of all expenses. The promise to the community was that it wasn't going to cost us anything. And I recall the original of the council members in 2005 that really focused us on making sure that this project also bleeds into the community and not just focuses the money on the freeway, but also adjacent in our city. So the first bullet, approximately 9.4 million in city infrastructure, that's sidewalks and streets and infrastructure outside the freeway, but in Westminster. utility relocations, water lines. A bunch of water lines are relocated. They exist in the bridge, the old bridge, and they were relocated into the new bridges. Preliminary engineering, $100,000. Other utility agreements, there was other utilities that need to be relocated. And then the cooperative agreements is what we've talked about. So we have 4.5 million. The last time I came to council, we were at about 4.5 million just on this topic. And the new infusion of money that closes out this project finally after 20 years is an additional $2.85 million. The bullets underneath that talk about engineering, traffic management, police services, consultant services, we were able mainly to support the project with our current staff. We did get outside inspectors, additional engineers to help us with the document control because it was a lot to review. Anytime a police officer was out there enforcing aggressive driving in a construction zone, the hours that they spent enforcing along the freeway were covered by this co-op. Their overtime covered by the co-op. And then when we were out there at night making sure that traffic control was working, We had to staff the traffic management center here at City Hall overnight with engineers sometimes to continue to run the signals as traffic was being detoured into town. All of that was compensated. City attorney hours, planners, it was all covered. Even city manager's office attending meetings at OCTA, all of that was covered. So with this final 2.85, we're mainly, when we first started, we told them we're going to need more pavement land. They said you wouldn't, we said you would. So we held them, held their feet to the fire. They work really well with us. OCTA is an excellent organization to partner with on this. I have nothing but good things to say about all the colleagues there over the 20 year relationship. And we were right, we were gonna need more pavement mitigation. So part of this 2.85 is to bring additional pavement money to be spent on areas along the freeway that were impacted inevitably because of the construction. And then there were other construction on city streets that also will get addressed as part of this. Back when the freeway opened, there was hundreds of items that needed to be completed along the corridor. The contractor has pretty much completed all of that. And this 2.85 gives us money for pavement, mainly, and also gives us an additional amount of money for finalizing some of these things, like before anybody brings it up, Margie Rice Park. There's an embankment. That work hasn't been done. had some very curious uh residents who like offer go off-roading maybe on that hillside right so the contractor is going to touch that on the way out they're going to fix it and then they're going to go they're going to go away and then anything that happens after that's our problem on bolsa chica there's a complicated drainage area they they've essentially said you know what we don't want to touch it we're just going to give you money so that you can hire somebody to do it to your specifications so All in all, at the end of the project, all the promises delivered, we ended up with $28.5 million of either staffing coverage, infrastructure, in addition, obviously, to the $2 billion freeway project.

So that concludes my presentation. Oh, one last thing, right?

We also said... that we were not going to allow anybody along the corridor, as much as there are partners, we wanted to make sure that OCTA negotiated in good faith with us. And they did with all the cities. It's not really an apples to apples comparison, but for what it's worth, these are the closeout amendments for each of the cities. We received 2.8. The closest is Fountain Valley. Like I said, they were the second most impacted, followed by Costa Mesa and Huntington Beach. So it is definitely something to be proud of, and we could not have done it without the members of the public, their patience, and without the support of our council. So thank you very much for that.

All right. Thank you for the report. And I believe that just recently, Director of Public Works, Jake Ngo, and you as Assistant City Manager and me as Mayor, we attended the OCTA meeting with the City of Huntington Beach, City of Park Valley, and also City of Washington with the OCTA. Can you also update everyone here of the results?

Yeah, absolutely. Part of the good relationship with OCTA, and it starts from the top, Daryl Johnson, their CEO, conducted a mayor's forum, is what it was called, and it was hosted by the first district. It was hosted in Garden Grove by the first district supervisor who also sits on the OCTA board of directors, Supervisor Janet Nguyen. So OCTA brought us all together to inform us on the status of other projects related to the tax measure, which funds all of this, which is the the measure effort and at that meeting we were lucky to have our mayors with us and our mayor spoke very eloquently on some of the needs that we need to bring to the community with additional m2 funds and then there was also a very good i would just say a very good sharing of information as it pertained to this project all right thank you very much is there any question from the castle i have questions mayor please thank you mayor

And thank you very much for your report and more and more than anything else, your dedication to make sure that we were never shortchanged, that our residents were able to get everything that they should have gotten. And you went above and beyond. And I also want to commend our former council member, Diane Carey, for her hard work and dedication. And I know back in those days, she attended a ton of meetings and fought hard for the residents and make sure they didn't lose their homes.

Yeah, she was an ad hoc committee member first, then a traffic commissioner, and then went on to become a council member.

Yes, I remember her. And that, to me, those are, not to get personal here, but the kind of people that we should be, you know, thanking for their passion, their love for their city, that takes time and dedication, and, you know, not everybody, everybody's busy. Everybody's busy, so thank you very much. The questions I have... is what everybody, you know, the community's been asking about is the unfinished projects that it's just seemed to be the forgotten ones, you know, and that everybody sees, you know, everybody seems to forget about all these other things that you just showed. So that's what my questions are, is a list of the punch list, what is done and what is not done, and also the timeline to finish those projects.

So I would say that the punch list is pretty much complete, right? This 2.85 million is gonna give us an opportunity to finish out some of the areas that we do hear a lot from the members of the public off of Bolsa Chica and old Bolsa Chica, that area is gonna be funded by money that came into here. The Margie Rice Embankment, Margie Rice Park Embankment, that's not a part of the 2.85, that is a pending punch list item. that the contractor has said to OCTA, we're afraid to build it because we put a fence up and some community members knocked it down. So we don't wanna continue to put money on that site, which is unfortunate for us. They're gonna fix it and then they're gonna leave town. And then at that point it becomes our responsibility. But what I would say now is there is a learning curve for Caltrans. Caltrans has been absent from the corridor. not because they did a bad job, they handed over the freeway project to OCTA and OCTA built the project. So it was part of the agreement that Caltrans needed to back off. And now that they're handing it back over to Caltrans, there is a learning curve. So if we see things that are unfinished on the freeway, as staff, as community members, that's a Caltrans request and staff will always process those requests to Caltrans. We're not gonna direct residents to call Caltrans. We will take those requests in and call Caltrans. Just realize that there are certain parts of the project that look unfinished that belong to Caltrans. There's a lot of it that is now under the direction, under the control of our public works department. So that goes back to the folks that you hear from here all the time, our director and his staff. But as far as punch the slide, we're pretty much done. I have a phone call with OCTA next week. We're going to talk about a few things, but it's not the things that you are hearing from the public.

I liked your presentation. It was great. I did have an issue, though, with one of the slides. The landscaping. The landscape. That's not Westminster. Yes. And that is one of my biggest issues with this project is that Huntington Beach, they got the nice stuff, and we got weeds on our side, and that is the issue that I think a lot of the community has a problem with, that on our side, we got, in essence, on that part, along the embankments there, on the bridges that are on our side, they're unfinished, but Huntington Beach, they get the nice stuff. And that is my issue with that, that we're still, on our side, especially on Beach Boulevard,

weeds are six foot tall and and they claim they will eventually get to it and well the weeds the weed situation like say adjacent to infinity that's our crew the median that's going to be us moving forward so there's issues with that we we will work with our public works department to make sure that our contractor our staff address those In this area, in the ramp area that you see here, that is not our property. That's Caltrans. So we have to start pushing hard on Caltrans.

Can we make sure we push on it and say we want it to look like Huntington Beach?

That it's equitable. Correct. When they're coming out to an interchange, they're doing all four quadrants, not just one quadrant. Or like you would say, the Huntington Beach quadrant. And that's what our public works staff, we're also reengaging. Go ahead. They are also re-engaging. Our public works staff has got to get better at understanding their new responsibilities with the freeway. Because we've also been hands-off, because it's been the contractor's project for the better part of, I forget the number of years and how long we've been under construction, eight years maybe.

The other thing, and this is something that you being a former traffic engineer, that maybe something that we need to look at is the traffic signal synchronization I don't know when was the last time that was looked into as far as, because it seems to me that on certain areas, especially during high peak times, which in the morning and the afternoon, it seems to be an issue. I don't know if our team can take a look at that and adjust that accordingly because there are some areas that are pretty bad and where it's really affecting the community.

We'll definitely look at that. One of the things that we discussed at the Mayor's Forum was actually the topic of signal synchronization. Part of Measure M, the tax measure collected for transportation, 80% of every expenditure for signal timing is covered by OCTA as a giant corridor.

So there's corridor projects every two years. So we do maintain our signal timing every two years. Every corridor gets touched every two years. And it's not just in our city.

from one end of the county to the other, and in some cases into LA County, if there's an opportunity. So the reason I bring this up is we've gotten to the point where all the synchronization that's been in place, now that the construction is completed, it needs to be re-looked at. And one of the things they presented to us at the mayor forum, which we were happy to hear is that OCTA is gonna be doing a baseline re-timing of signals for the region, and then kind of refreshing everything and then starting over. building on that because there's been so much construction and changing configurations. But if there is a problem location that isn't working, it may not necessarily be bad timing and maybe that the equipment's not working. So our staff is always vigilant, but if anybody, members of the public hear about that, call the Traffic Engineering Division. We have cameras that all our signals will look. Sometimes it's equipment, it's not the timing. It's just that something's malfunctioning. It could be a dirty lens in the sensor, things like that.

Okay.

Thank you very much. All right, move to approve.

Second it.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo. This is to approve amendment number nine to cooperative agreement number C53615 between Orange County Transportation Authority and the city of Westminster for the I-405 improvement project and authorize the city manager to execute the amendment on behalf of the city in a form approved by the city attorney. I'll go ahead and call roll. District one, Councilwoman Fan West.

Fan West, aye.

District three, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

District four, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo?

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen?

Yes.

Motion carried, 5-0.

Yes, I will go ahead and read item 3.12 again. Continue from the September 10, 2025 meeting. First amendment for the theater operation and cultural programming of the Rose Center with the fans of the Abbey Center, DBA fans of the Rose Center Theater, a California nonprofit 501C3 corporation. I was the one who pulled this item. And basically this item here is to enter into the first amendment to the theater service agreement for the operation of the Rose Center Theater with Friends of Rose Center Theater for the term to conclude on June 30th, 2026 with one option of three months extension.

My take on this is that I believe that staff helped me out.

I believe that six months ago or a month ago or a year ago, we already extended the contract. And this is, am I right about that? I believe that we have, yes. Yes, right. And so we extend the contract to what?

Just to December 31st.

To December 31st while we are recruiting the consultant to look into the study for us.

Yes, you're correct.

Okay, all right. So from the study, that presented by their consultant last time, I believe that they have concluded that using, we have the third party, this third party here since its beginning from 2006, which is about 20 years until now. And within that 20 years, we operate, or we, we give it to the third party to run this theater for us. And the result was reported back at the study and also from the staff report here that we are losing money every year. instead of having the venues out for the operator to run it for us, and we are the only responsibility that they are responsible for is to clean up after the event. Beside that, the city is paying for the utilities and everything, including maintenance. And with that, I believe that It's already 20 years. And at this point here, last time when we talked about whether we are going to, extend the lease, I mean the contract or not, then now I believe that this First Amendment term is to have 5% value fees paid monthly on, this is the change for the First Amendment, which is to add another 5% on top of it. Just because we are demanding that we can't continue to operate with the last. And so the 5% is to charge on top of whoever is using that contract with the third party. Am I correct about that?

Correct. It's a 5% venue fee on top of every ticket.

So right now it's $2,000 monthly for six months for the fiscal year of 2025 to 26 from January to June, which is total of $12,000. I would think that right now, as we already have this study presented to us, and they presented to us very clearly that it's supposed to be, we should have the $5,000 instead of the $2,000. Am I correct about it?

Correct. Correct.

Now, with that, I don't think that we should continue to extend the contract with the third party. What we will do is we are going to discuss in 5.3. But for now, I don't think that we should extend the contract This is, you know, after you extend this contract here, it's going to be continued until June 30th of 2026. Correct. And then with that amount of time, we already give them their time that they, to the end of the year, so that they are not booking any other performance during the year. Now we extend. The period then is allow them to go ahead and book more and when they book more and it's difficult for us to do any works accordingly if we need to. My understanding is from the consultant, there are a number of things that we need to do to correct or to improve the facility.

So the bulk of the improvements to the facility actually need to happen on the ballroom side.

I understand, but there is also, there is a portion of that is right here, begin to replace the theater audio and lighting equipment.

Correct.

Okay. If we continue to lease it out or to contract it, then we have no time of doing that while we are working on the banquet side. Why don't we take this time to do both and so we can move on with what we want to do next? That's my succession. That's why I moved not to extend the lease. Is there a second to that?

I have a couple of things to say. Okay, go ahead. Well, I just want to make this point as far as the perception that we're losing money on this. I just want... ask how much money do we invest or did the city put out for all these park improvements that we have done in every single park with the playgrounds do we have a roundabout i guess i don't need you to give me an answer my point is how much money do we make off of those parks do we charge a fee for that for the use of those parks I think not.

No, of course not.

Of course not. So what's the point of that? What's the point of having a park? Isn't it to provide a service to the community so that the community can enjoy the outdoors, the kids can enjoy the playground? I think that's a very negative way to think about us as a city. We're providing a service. The community, the theater is providing a community service and that's why it was envisioned and that's why it was built in the first place. The Friends of the Road Center is a nonprofit. Whatever agreement they signed into however many years ago, let me remind you that that was a council, who came up with that agreement and they signed up to that. It wasn't like the Friends of the Rose Center said, we want everything for free, this is what the agreement was, it's not their fault. And as far as operations, I don't know if you're aware of this, I know somebody mentioned this to you earlier, they have to raise over $300,000 to a year to operate this theater. So the theory that they're getting something for nothing, and it's totally false, okay? They're providing, I'm not, I didn't interrupt you. Okay, okay, okay, fine, no problem. I didn't interrupt you.

I thought that you were done. No, I'm not done. When I'm done, I'll see you then.

Go ahead. So that whole conception, misconception that you're, or maybe that's the kind of where you're trying to put out to the community that they're somehow taking advantage of us. To me, that's wrong and that's a failure in leadership because they're providing a service to the community to bring the arts to our community. That theater is well used. Can there be improvements? Can we do better? Of course, there's always room for improvement. But to sit here and say that somehow they're taking advantage of us, that is totally wrong for anybody to say that because they're not. They're providing a service. And as far as our consultant, we paid the consultant to do a... research on this their name there are theater experts hence the name theater dna because this is what they do for a living their their agenda is to make sure that that the cities the their clients that they represent are successful because their success our success is their success and they're recommending if you read the staff report they're recommending for us to continue to collaborate with the Friends of the Road Center because they're the professionals. They've been doing a great job, and there's room for improvement and room to modify the agreement. So I don't understand why this whole animosity towards them. They're not the enemy here. So to me, we need to continue this agreement for the six months for the fiscal year to give us time to work with them as far as other arrangement, other kind of other agreement that we can come up with that better suits the city and better suits the recommendations of the consultant as far as with the items that you were speaking about, the increase of the ticket fee and all that. So my view is it's a total disservice to have an empty theater because there's some sort of animosity towards the Friends of the Rose Center. They're providing a service, and we should be supporting them, not denouncing them. So my suggestion, and I want a motion to approve this item 3.12 that we're speaking about right now.

Okay, before I rebut, I'd like to ask if there is any input from the council. Yes, please.

What is your motion again?

My motion is to not extend for the six months and the option for the three months so that we can have that available while we are upgrading or improvement of the of the area for the banquet, we are doing the same thing over here for the audio and also the lighting system, which is a lot of time that needed to do the upgrade.

So, basically, your motion is to not extend the contract, so it's going to end at the end of December. Will they be out by the end of December, or what is the deal with... We already...

extended the contract after the end of the contract last year, we already extended for them. This is the second extension that we are asking for.

I went to second the mayor's. Thank you.

So now you can do the substitution motion if you want to.

Yes, my substitute motion is to approve this extension that runs through June of 2026. Wait, hold on. I lost my train of thought when Council Member Nguyen was speaking, but... I remember now. Sorry about that. Do you realize that the improvements that you're speaking about, exactly how are we going to get the funding for that? Do we have the funding to replace all this lighting and audio? Where exactly are we going to come up with this money?

So yeah, if I can answer that really quickly. So as far as improvements go, that's really a discussion that we should be having in the next item, per se. This is really just about the extension. But just to remind everybody, the equipment that is currently in there at the theater is owned by the Friends of the Rose Center. So if you don't extend, there's going to be a move out period, which is for them to remove everything that's in there. but the council would at some point, whether it's in the next item or in the future when we do analysis, you would have to consider replacement of all that equipment, and I couldn't tell you what that cost is, but that wouldn't be part of what your action is for this particular item. This is whether you're going to extend it or not, and we can talk about maintenance or improvements or whatever you wanna do in the next item.

So we'd rather have an empty theater because they have a .

Well, it's not because we are going to use that to do the improvement. That's number one. Number two that I'm going to rebut your point earlier that you said that you compare the parks, same thing as before, you compare the parks with the Blakey Park. And the Plakey Park, they only open three hours, and it's a gated facility. How can you compare that with the open parks? Same thing for this one. This is controlled by an organization. And then open park is for everyone to go there and enjoy, you know. It can't be that. And for the 20 years, for the 20 years, the city of Westminster are paying. You know, if I have the venues, if I have a house, I have whatever. If I give it to somebody else to run it, I want to make sure that I don't, if I give them for free, I don't have to pay out of my pocket. There's no way that the city of Westminster pay out of the pocket every, for the last 20 years. And we continue to do that. I think that if we have to find somebody else or if the organization step up and then try to cover the cost, then that's fine. But right now, I don't see that happen because in this say, the First Amendment, there are no other terms, no other change to the term of the agreement during the term covered by the First Amendment. That means it's not going to change anything. So, you know, we continue to pay for it. And I don't think that we need to pay for it, you know, or continue to pay for even a dam.

Well, my point that I was trying to make comparison with the parks is the point, maybe you didn't understand my point. My point is that those parks are providing a community service. Same thing with this theater, the 60,000, whatever it is, the amount that you're speaking of, is the same as equivalent as providing a service to the community that is my point and obviously you don't understand my point and they're and here they're they're going to they want to increase it with five percent to cover some of the utility costs this theater and what they've been doing is providing a community service us as a city supporting the theater is providing a community service That's what this city has been doing for 20 years is providing a community service. Just like the parks, just like a community center here, we're providing a community service. That's what we as a city are supposed to do is provide a community service. We as a city aren't supposed to be making money providing a service. We do cost recovery, but we're providing a service. That's what all our fees are is to recover a cost for planning for example, is to provide a service. We're providing a service with that community theater is providing a service.

Vice Mayor, I don't disagree with you that we are providing community service, but we rather have the organization that run effectively, efficiently, so that we don't have to put our money out of our pocket. If you have a house, you have a venue, you are not giving to somebody else to do things, and then you keep paying out of your pocket for the utilities. All they do is just clean up after themselves, and that's it. That's not what they do.

They raise $300,000 a year to provide the service.

Right now, I think we have already gone to the second round. Mr. Mayor? Yes.

Okay. I just want to ask a few questions. So first, I want to hear Council Member Namkwang, do you have any suggestion or thoughts on the theater? Just want to hear your perspective as well.

If you have something, you know, you go ahead and say it, okay? Don't pass the ball to me right now.

No, no, I'm not passing the ball. I just want to hear your thoughts.

No, no, no.

When I want to talk, I'll talk, okay?

Okay, I appreciate that. Okay, so then with that, I guess my question to staff is how much money have the theater brought in for our city every year about an estimate?

we um actually in the next item as our city manager was stating i have more details about the revenue received well they the revenue that they produce but they don't they don't pay the city any kind of rental fee at this point in this agreement how much are they paying us right now giving nothing nothing zero correct now with this extension to june would they be giving us some funding which would be Correct, around $2,000 a month, $12,000 for the last half of the fiscal year.

So $12,000 for the next six months if we extend it. I know with the study that we pay a consultant to do, they have recommend, we've done the study with them, we heard the report as well last time, that they recommend us to take care of the catering area where we have the bandwidth to do, right? As a city. And with their specialty and their... their investigative research, they say with the theater, we don't have the bandwidth to get someone or the city to take that over on that side. Is that correct?

Correct.

And if we do hire someone, an RFP, how long would it take to have someone else to come substitute and take over?

How long would that take?

Because I need to know those information before I vote.

I couldn't speculate that. A RFP process would take three months at least, plus then we would have to advertise it. Then we wouldn't know how many qualified folks would be applying, then submitting for the RFP, and then they would have to be reviewed and then vetted, and then an agreement would come forward. So it could take some time for sure. Minimum three months just for the process.

And then the hiring process would be another two months, maybe?

If they were written possibly much longer, possibly. Adolfo, is it about? They'd have to, yeah, much longer.

Yes, for something like this where they'll be taking over in an existing facility, there's a lot more time we allocate to the folks that might be coming in to assess and understand what they're going to be proposing on. So it is a lengthy process.

So give and take, would you say six months?

I would say six months would be a good estimate.

Find someone.

A good estimate to get to at least being able to start reviewing proposals.

Okay. So we have two options here I see laying here. Is that either one, we approve the Rose Theater to continue this for the next six months, and then they pay us $12,000, or leave it empty for the next six months and find someone else. So that's what we have as a city. Those are the two options I see at hand right here. And logically, I mean, if Mr. Mayor, you're talking about, you know, having some revenue in the city, I think option is to continue to approve this the six months while we can send out an RFP if you like as well. Approve the six month and do the RFP. So during that six month period, we have someone in place. Okay. I think that's a smart move as a business. If we want business in the city, I think that's smart.

I'm sorry, it's not your time right now. The council discussion, you know about that already. So, no, I'm sorry.

So Mr. Mayor, I think as the council discussing this, I think smart business move is to extend this for six months, get that 12,000 to the city for the people. We can always utilize that. And then in the meantime, killing two birds with one stone, we do an RFP as well. So it takes about the other six months to have an applicant. I think that's a smart move. It's a win-win for all.

Let me respond to that, Council Member West. You read the report. You say that we are negative about $50,000 a year. Negative $50,000 a year. And now you're extending six months for the $12,000. You think that who is losing here? Who is losing here? Are you... willing to lose $38,000 over the six months, and at the same time that you are not being able to do anything with that, we have already lost the money for the 20 years, and we continue to do that. OK. And the most important thing is that we need to have the time to work on the item. Why we are doing the services for the improvement for the other side and not doing that for this side? While we know that from their consultant that they recommend that we have to do on both

Yes, right here.

Yes, right here. If you don't know, then please read 3.5.

Mr. Mayor, I can answer your question right there. Mr. Mayor, I think you asked me a question. Why are we losing? My answer is, number one, we are a government agency, local government, where we provide services to the community. And I know this is one thing that we can provide service to the community is a theater. It brings and it draws the community together like the Tete Parade. We spent a lot of money on the Tete Parade because that's a community aspect that we're giving as local governance. That's what we do. We service the community. And if we service a group of other community because it's important in the city of Westminster, the Tete Parade, Likewise, it is important for us to service the community with the theater. And that's our job and our responsibility as a local governance that we provide those services to the people because it won't be fair if we say we provide the with the government funding, with the taxpayer money, and yet we cannot fund the theater for the community.

We have done that for 20 years. We are looking for a better way to do it. Same thing for the TIP Parade. That's the reason why we create a nonprofit organization so that we can work to subsidize the cost for the TIP Parade. We have to do anything to help the city. to offset the cost that we have to pay out. If we can't bring in the revenue, then we have to offset the cost that we have to spend. That's what it is.

I wanna thank Council Member West for that because that was gonna be my next point. So thank you for bringing that up. The point that you're making about community service of the tech parade. we put that service out, and you don't have an issue with that, that they're putting out taxpayer money for the tech parade, but now you have an issue with this. So thank you for bringing that up, Council Member Weiss.

Okay, we have a motion. I'm sorry, it's not your turn. You already have your turn, so now no. No, please, no. You are already know the policy so please, I'm asking you please, it's not your time right now. The time is. What you're saying is incorrect. Okay. Well, my instruction to you is no, this is not your time. And I'm not going to allow you to speak during this time. Okay?

Mr. Mayor, I appreciate that you brought concern of subsidizing, at least with the parade, we have a foundation to help. I understand that. Now, I hear your concern is that you want to be able not to put a burden on the city while we give the community services to the community. I understand where you're coming from because the situation in our city where our budget is really tight. I understand that completely. Now, if that's the case, what we can suggest, we can continue to approve this. Number one, approve this. We can suggest that the front of the theater, if they can create a fundraising aspect to subsidize some of the funding as well. So whatever it might be, Mr. Mayor, I feel like I hear where you're coming from. But the thing is that if you're going to do that, I think the theater is an important aspect in our community. It does bring the community together, different groups of community for sure than the TED Parade. But what I'm saying is that it is as important as the parade. So if you want, you know, the friend of the theater, Rose Theater, to create a ad hoc committee or fundraising event to subsidize certain amounts to pay for utility, that's totally fine. I think we need to talk to them about it, number one. Number two, we have to approve this so that way in the meantime we're killing two birds with one stone. I know that you say we need to look and find another group who can help with this and offset the cost. But we can kill two birds with one stone. Like we can walk and chew gum. I think we can all do that. So what I'm saying is that we don't have to stop something to continue the research or continue to find someone else to substitute into the theater. We can, again, we can walk and chew gum. So I think that's fair.

I think that we're going over and over again. At this time here, I don't know that we need to consider. We already have the second row of discussion. So if you have a motion, the substitute motion, then go ahead and do it. Then we can get it over with.

I already had a substitute motion to approve this six-month extension.

I second it.

Okay, there's a second for substitute motion. So substitute motion will first.

Thank you, I have a substitute motion.

I have, if you don't mind, Mr. Vice Mayor, if we can substitute motion to approve as is, but also to do send out an RFP.

Well, we have another agenda item. Oh, another agenda item.

Okay, then if we approve as is, are there a way that we can look and talk to the friend of the garden, I guess the gross garden?

I'm sorry, Council Member West, this item is to approve the extension or not. And the other item we'll discuss into the detail.

But can we substitute that? Substitute motion to add that on to it?

So we've had discussions, which is what led to this. It led to, obviously, chatting in closed session. And the extension that you have is a result of those previous discussions. So if there's a desire for the council to renegotiate particular terms for an extension, then you would need to simply direct staff to figure what that looks like engaging conversation and we wouldn't be approving an extension today but just knowing that the extension like the the term the term ends at the end of december so there's not much time

Okay, so basically what you're saying to me, Mr. Mayor, is that if we don't approve the extension, then basically we will get rid of that service for a certain group of community. Is that correct?

willing to extend the, you know, for another six months with a three-month option, then that's your agreement for supplementary motion. So let's move on.

I just feel like we need to really pause to think about this. Like for me, growing up, I see theater play all the time. It's so much fun. It brings the community together. It brings the kids together. And it's something that American tradition we have. You know what I mean? And I feel like if you take that away, I think that's a little selfish. So I think it needs to give us some time, Mr. Mayor. I think extended six months, it doesn't hurt anyone. And yet, you know what I mean? That is a service that we give to the community. I mean, growing up, I've gone to the theater. I've gone to play. We love it. My kids love it. They go to play, and they enjoy it. It's American tradition. And I think if you take that away, that service to the community, you're taking away a part of the American tradition.

I am not taking it away, okay? I'm not taking it away. I just want to find the efficient way and better way to manage this theater.

Mr. Mayor, if you're not taking it away, then how would it hurt for six months?

With the second row?

Mr. Mayor, how would it hurt?

I am not going to take it anymore. So may I?

Yes, Scott?

The mayor has the floor.

Yes. Okay. I am going to call for questions. Is there a second to that?

Second.

Okay. Let's call for questions.

I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by District 3, Council Member Nguyen, to call for question. I'll call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West? Yes. District 3, Council Member Nguyen?

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen? Yes. Vice Mayor Monzo? Yes. Mayor Nguyen? Yes. Motion carried 5-0. I have a substitute motion made by Vice Mayor Monzo, seconded by District 1 Councilwoman Fan West, to authorize the City Manager to enter into the First Amendment to the Theater Facility Management Services Agreement for the operation of the Rose Center Theater with Friends of the Rose Center Theater for a term to conclude on June 30, 2026, with one optional three-month extension. I'll call roll. District 1, Councilman Van West. VAN WEST, yes. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen. No. District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

No.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen.

No.

Substitute motion failed 2-3. I have a motion on the floor made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by District 3, Councilmember Nguyen, not to extend the lease. I'll call the roll. District 1, Councilman Van West.

Van West, no.

District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen.

Before I cast a vote, let me ask a question. So if we put out an IFP, is it going to?

I apologize. It's for everybody. I apologize. The question was called, so time for discussion is over.

Okay, okay. That's fine, that's fine. That's going to be a yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo?

No.

Mayor Nguyen? Yes. Motion carried, 3-2.

All right. Moving on to the next item, which is 3. No, we already approved those. Do we have?

I have 3.13. 3.13, right?

Correct. 3.13. Adoption of plans and specifications and authorization to solid construction for the HVAC replacement project at City Hall, Council Chambers, community services, and senior center buildings. Plan number P-2615. For this one, may I ask for a stop report, please?

Well, I put this item if I have questions.

You want to hear the staff report first? If you can, if you have a staff report, let's do it.

Yes, go ahead. Yes, staff will report this information that's already in the report. But just to summarize, this project last year, the council approved using ARPA funding to replace the HVAC system in four buildings and also as well as the roof component. As of October last year, we put out the project and there was two bids submitted and both of them are pretty much substantially higher than what we have in the budget. So the council reject all bid in December of 2024 staff come back and do the value engineering, and by doing that we remove the roofing component, which is very expensive, and just focus on the HVAC replacement with the ducting in all four buildings. So tonight we're asking the council to approve the plan and specs for that project, and hopefully we can put it out I would say, you know, November, I'll have a bid collection in December and bring back to the council in January of 2026 for award. And the construction probably going to start in February. That's conclude my report. Have any questions?

Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. So Jake, on the staff report, there's only like one page. There wasn't... like a scope of work presented to us, like what's included and what's excluded. I was trying to zoom in onto the plans as much as I could. So I think, like, to me, I have an issue, like, with the roof on the plans, what I can read on there says that we're going to build the new platforms for the air handlers. At one point, we're going to be touching the roof. By touching the roof, there's going to be some roof work as far as weatherproofing the platform onto the new roof. What's included was excluded from that portion of it. The other thing is as far as the ductwork, are we gonna be connecting to the existing ductwork? And if it's old ductwork, you know, obviously it's been here since it was built, some of that ductwork, is it gonna still be salvageable? And if it needs to be replaced, how much of it? And what's the cost of that? Where's all those details that we need to look at?

Okay. Well, thank you. That's a good question. Mayor Monzo, we do have the design engineer here with us tonight, Mr. Yorian, and he can answer that question in details. Okay.

Good evening, council members. I'm the mechanical engineer for this project. Regarding the roof curbs that we're going to install on all the buildings, it's going to be on the HVAC contractor to waterproof them. Doc work, they're all going to be brand new. We're not going to take the risk to use the existing ones. Except the senior center, the dining room, we're probably going to keep the same doc work and clean out the existing doc work.

So how so I like on this on the city hall, for instance, how much so all the dog works going to be replaced they're all going to be replaced with the brand new dog pork and brand new units and then in the also this Council chamber Council member also okay yeah and. As far as a roof is concerned, so what. If there's a, like I said, there's going to be a connection to the roof. So the AC contractor, is he going to hire a roofing contractor to do that portion?

No. So basically, you don't need really a roofing contractor because the units are going to be sitting on the 11-inch curbs. And the curbs, around the curbs, it's all going to be waterproof with tar. So they're going to pretty much waterproof it as much as they can.

So currently, what's the roof composite of? What is it right now?

I'm not clear.

Yeah, the roof. Is it comp? Is it TPO? Is it shake shing?

No, I believe the roof, it was on the structural drawings. I believe it's shingles with the plywood, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that's in the city hall. This roof, council chamber is the same. The only roof, I believe it's a portion of it that's concrete as a senior center. Not all of it, just a portion of it.

Okay, because we need to have some details. Is that because to me, common sense dictates you're going to be touching the roof.

Sure, we have it in our structural drawings. Yeah, the structural engineer already dedicated all that stuff. The unit weights, how is this to be supported and everything.

I just don't see here. To me, there needs to be something in here It tells us what work is included or what work is not included.

The work is going to include the mechanical, electrical. For the city hall, we're going to need a transformer, a brand-new one. That's going to be included. Electrical also is going to connect the new units to be done, all the electrical work for the brand-new units. And then... plumbing is going to be super minor. The senior center has a chilled water system, which needs to be disconnected. That whole room in the chilled water system just has to come out during the demolition.

Well, I'd like to see that in writing because, like I said, it's not on our agenda. It's just the plans. It's just the plans that we should have gotten a more detailed scope of work on for us to look at the other question as far as i can zoom in on the notes it says about it says client to to remove to do some of the removal of of parts so the client is us the city removal which one yeah it talks about like as what i can see is his removal of In a conduit like an inch or smaller or any other components that need to be removed, the client is responsible for that.

You mean the demolition? Yes. That's going to be on the contractor, mechanical contractor.

But on the notes it says client. Aren't we the client?

Oh, I'm not sure.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to talk about. How come that wasn't in here? The Mars tells us exactly what we're signing off on. So that is to me, it's an incomplete agenda. We should have had more information on here. So that's my issue is that we need to know those details.

We can put an exact scope of the work together and send it to you guys. So you guys can take a look at it.

I just don't want to get out there and approve something and then get hit with all these change orders later. know what i mean understood so that that's my issue okay so i don't know if we can approve this but bring bring us back that information i don't know how else to what other council members i have input is but to me we shouldn't have those those details so we can look at them yeah council so we do have option

Because time of the essence with the ARPA funding will be sunsetting by the end of next year. Many of the HVAC units are, you know, long lead item. So we'd like to see we can put it out the street as soon as possible. What we can do is we can put a scope of work in detail when we award the contracts. And then we'll definitely take a look at, you know, some of the comments about clients and, you know, make minor adjustment to the plans.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

If there's no other questions, a motion to approve.

Okay, second. Thank you.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Vice Mayor Monzo. This is to approve the plans and specifications for the heating, ventilation, and air conditioning HVAC replacement project plan number P2615 and authorize the city engineer to approve minor modifications to the plans and specifications for final project enhancements and authorize the public works department to advertise and solicit construction bids for the subject project. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilman Fan West. Fan West, aye. District 3, Council Member Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen. Yes. Vice Mayor Monzo. Yes. Mayor Nguyen. Yes. Motion carried 5-0.

Okay, before public hearings, I will call for five-minute recess so that the castle or people can take a break, do the restroom break before. I just want to mention that when we are discussing public hearing items, none of us can leave this dais. We have to stay here. So at this time, I'd like to take five-minute break for us to do the work we need to do.

. . Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

. . . Thank you. . . Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.

The time now is 9.35, and I would like to reconvene the city council meeting. Roll call, please.

Mayor Nguyen.

I'm here.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

I'm here.

District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West present. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Here.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

I'm here.

Mayor, you have a quorum with all members present.

Thank you very much. We will now open for public hearings. And I just want to remind all of us here from the Council, we are not leaving until the public hearing items are done. So at this time, we'll move on with the 4.1 adoption amendments of the 2025 edition OF THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING STANDARD CODES AND 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, INCLUDING A FIGHTING THAT THE ORDINANCE IS EXEMPT FROM CEQA UNDER 15061.3 . I UNDERSTAND WE ALSO HAVE FIRES FROM THE OCTA TODAY. If there is any question, you can also address them. So start out with the staff report, please.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We provided our staff report at your last meeting, if you remember, and we asked you questions and gave you a lengthy staff report about the updates we're going to do on the code. So tonight I will not be doing a presentation unless you needed it. The recommendation for staff is to open the public hearing, take testimony, and deliberate, and then adopt the code.

All right. Is that it for the staff report? Okay. All right. So at this time, we'll open up for questions for staff if there is anything from the council.

Okay.

All right. Moving on to public comments. Is there anyone set up for public comment for this item?

May I receive no public comments for this item?

Okay, all right, thank you. So mayor and council do remember discussion and take action on this. Is there any, I will entertain if there's any motion.

Motion to approve. Second.

All right, we have motion and second on the floor.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Monzo, seconded by District 3, Council Member Nguyen. This is to conduct a public hearing and adopt ordinance number 2629, entitled An Ordinance of the Mayor and City Council of the City of Westminster, California, repealing chapter 15.08 building code, 15.10 residential code 15.12 electrical code 15.14 mechanical code 15.16 plumbing code 15.20 green building standards code and 15.22 fire code of the westminster municipal code and adopting by reference provisions of the 2025 edition of the california building standards code with amendments and also adopting the international property maintenance code 2024 edition read by title only and wait for the reading I'll call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West, aye. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

4.2, public hearing appeal to Planning Commission's July 2nd, 2025 approval of case number 2024-0160 for a new industrial warehouse building proposed at 15172 Golden West Circle. However, I do have the request to have this item continue at the next, the following date. Council meeting so I don't know when is that but I will refer that to the seat attorney Okay

So the reason for this would be that the city, on this public hearing item, the city received a comment letter with a number at the 11th hour, literally, on vacation yesterday, and we received it today, so we do need time to review and respond to that letter to protect the administrative record and ensure that you have all the facts before you. So the recommendation would be to continue the item to December 10th.

Okay, with that I move to approve. I second.

Thank you. I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by District 1, Councilwoman Fan West, to continue the public hearing to the December 10th, 2025 City Council meeting. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West, aye. District 3, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Monzo.

Yes.

And Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

OK. Well, the next item is 5.3. Roast-centered study and operational model recommendations prepared by TheatreDNA. So with this, I don't know that we need to have a council, I mean the staff report, but I will start out. And this is, well, first and foremost, I would like to take this moment to thank the city staff and TheatreDNA for conducting a study of the Roast Center. that means both areas, it had been an eye-opener for all of us, revealing that the city has continued to support the Rose Center facility under the third-party management at an annual operating loss. The projections indicate that this loss could grow significantly if we do not take any appropriate action. Our city is fortunate to have such a beautiful venue and we must ensure that it is used effectively and efficiently for the benefit of our community. Again, we must ensure it is used effectively and efficiently for the benefit of our community without continuing to incur substantial losses each year. Therefore, my suggestion are as follows. Number one, we purpose the Rose Center as a multicultural community center dedicated to serving all qualified nonprofit organization within our city, all. Doesn't matter what ethnicity. We are serving the people here in our community. Second, direct city staff to continue working with Theater DNA and the city council to develop operational requirements that will best serve the community's interests. Third, issues a request for proposal or FP to solicit qualified operators to manage the venue in accordance with the city established requirements. In other words, that the city stop working with the theater ENA and also city council to establish the requirements. that whichever organization that we are going to grant the contract to should do according to the requirements that we have. And one of the things that we have to do is make sure that we have the qualified operator who can manage both facilities efficiently and effectively. That's my input. Go ahead. Anyone else?

Yes, I have. What was the point of us hiring a professional expert to do the research on this theater and the ballroom? If you're here, if we're not gonna take their recommendation, their expertise, expert recommendation, then what is the point? I mean, what makes you, what experience do you have in running a theater? I mean, you have professionals here, their recommendations on the theater side. Theater DNA recommends that the city continue to contract with the Friends of the Rose Center as a venue operator. That is a recommendation. And the city recommends that the city begin in-house operation management of the ballroom facility. So it's just show and tell, because I'm sure you already knew what you were going to do before this theater DNA was even hired. That is pretty obvious. And I think to you, I think you're just determined to destroy this community. I think that is your agenda, to get whatever it is that you want to do there. It's pretty obvious. It's obvious that you're out there shopping for votes to get what you want. I'm just going to say it outright because I'm tired of beating around the bush with my comments. This is what you do. This is what you're determined to do, is destroy the city, is what you're doing. And you have your brother-in-law over here who is just along for the ride, who's not going to say anything but just agree with you. And to me, that is absolutely wrong for you to do that. And I don't think you really care what anybody has to say, including myself. And I don't think you care what experts have to say. I don't think you care what staff has to say. I don't think you care what anybody has to say. You're going to do what you're going to do, and you're going to do whatever you have to do to get what you want. you saw that there was no avenue for you to build like you wanted a Vietnamese culture center at Blakely Park. So you're like, okay, this is my better shot here. Let me just take over the theater and create a Vietnamese community center there. That's what you want to do. It's obvious.

Did I say that or did I say military culture center?

You don't. Oh, come on. It's not hard to read between the lines what you want to do.