Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, November 19, 2025

About this meeting

Government Body
Architectural Review Board
Meeting Type
Architectural Review Board
Location
Wellington, IL
Meeting Date
November 19, 2025

Transcript

788 sections (from 876 segments)

0:49 – 1:01Speaker 1

Go ahead and call the 11/19/2025 planning zoning and adjustment board meeting to order. Why don't we go ahead and start with the Pledge of Allegiance, please?

1:03Speaker 2

I pledge allegiance to the flag of

1:06Speaker 3

The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

1:21 – 1:33Speaker 1

Okay. I'm bypassing comments by the chair. I'm sure you all will be heartbroken over that. And why don't we just dive right into approval of the minutes, please?

1:36Speaker 5

don't have minutes. There are no minutes in this particular Oh, right.

1:39Speaker 1

So what were you going to approve, Ms. Mariotta? It's trick.

1:47 – 1:59Speaker 1

right. Yeah. Saving that embarrassment, let's just go ahead and move on. And I think we talked a little bit about moving this around a little bit. So why don't we talk about that and let's see if we can

2:00 – 2:28Speaker 5

Sure. We would like to move item PZ dash zero three eight six, the ordinance for Rustic Ranches Overlay Zoning District, the RV regulations, and the PZ zero three nine one discussion on the Land and Water Conservation Fund grant application to the front, starting with the grant, and then going into the text amendment, and then going back to normal business.

2:28Speaker 1

Okay. So moving 91 up to first, 86 to second, Is there a motion?

2:35Speaker 4

I'll make a motion to agree with those changes, To rearrange to recommend the agenda. Yeah, to rearrange the agenda.

2:42Speaker 1

Seconded. A motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. The motion passes unanimously. Let's just dive right into 91 then.

2:51 – 3:40Speaker 7

So this first one, we are going to be applying for a twenty twenty five-twenty six Land and Water Conservation Fund grant for $1,550,000 for improvements to Village Park. One of the requirements of the grant application is that we place it on a board or committee agenda for just review. And so if you look at the second page of the item, it gives you a little explanation that the funds can be used for acquisition of land for open space park sites, conservation areas and trails. It can also be used for various facilities within the park itself. And so we will if we receive the funds, I believe that's when we'll determine what we can use the funds for at Village Park in terms of improvements.

3:40Speaker 7

There is a 100% match and the deadline is next month.

3:46Speaker 1

Okay. Great.

3:48Speaker 7

Is this No action is required by the Board.

3:50Speaker 3

Cool. Great.

3:50Speaker 1

Go ahead, Mr.

3:52 – 4:03Speaker 3

Barratt. I was just going to say one thing. I was just asking, is this for because obviously, we've done a lot of improvements to the park right now. Would we be eligible to use these funds to support those? Or would it have to be new improvements? New improvements,

4:05 – 4:31Speaker 1

Unfortunately, there's always improvements to be had. And we've done well with getting these grants over the years and offsetting the cost to taxpayers. And so, I mean, it's commendable that staff is always constantly looking out for these types of things and being proactive for them. So it's been a benefit over the years and it will continue to be. So hopefully we'll have some luck with this one. Okay. Great. Any further comments on that one? No? Okay. Very good. Let's move on to the next one.

4:44 – 5:24Speaker 5

Good evening. Kelly Ferriolo, Senior Planner. Before you tonight is Ordinance Number 2020 five-twenty, Rustic Ranch's overlay zoning district zoning text amendment relating to RVs, which I would like to officially enter into the record. The proposed zoning text amendment is a staff initiated request to amend Article six, Section 10 of Wellington's land development regulations as it relates to the requirements for the use of recreational vehicles within the Rustic Ranches overlay. Rustic Ranches is within sub area E of Equestrian Overlay Zoning District and is located along Flying Cow Road approximately two miles south of Southern Boulevard.

5:25 – 6:06Speaker 5

For a little background on Rustic Ranches, the area was annexed into Wellington in 2004. Shortly after annexation, planning charrettes occurred with residents and staff to create a neighborhood plan, which later guided the implementation of the Rustic Ranches overlay. The overlay was adopted in 2006 in addition to the Equestrian overlay zoning district and provided unique land development regulations for the neighborhood. The language included the limited use of RVs as temporary residences to only two consecutive weeks per calendar year within Rustic Ranches. At that time, the rest of the equestrian overlay prohibited the use of RVs.

6:07 – 7:03Speaker 5

In 2019, the equestrian overlay was amended to allow RVs as a temporary residence on five acres or more for a six month period with the issuance of a special use permit. However, due to a conflicts clause in the Rustic Ranches overlay language, the new RV restrictions did not apply to properties within Rustic Ranches. Staff had received interest from Rustic Ranches residents to modify the RV regulations to allow the use of RVs as temporary residences consistent with the rest of the equestrian overlay. This slide shows the conflicts clause within the rustic ranches overlay, which states that any conflict between the rustic ranches overlay and any other regulation of the land development regulations that the ranches overlay shall govern. And that in the absence of any conflict, the Equestrian overlay and the LDR shall be applicable.

7:05 – 8:01Speaker 5

This slide just provides summary of the proposed modifications to Section six ten-six which simply removes the language limiting the use of RVs to two weeks within the Rustic Ranches overlay and makes the section reserved for future use. Removal of this section eliminates the conflicts between the Rustic Ranches overlay and the equestrian overlay. If the proposed zoning text amendment is approved, then Rustic Ranches properties will be will follow the requirements of the equestrian overlay section six eight nine p, which will allow the use of RVs as temporary overnight residents from November to April with an approved equestrian permit. All properties within Restock Ranches are five acres in size, which will allow for one RV per property and unified properties of 10 acres or more are permitted to have two RVs. It's important to note that the language is not new and no changes are being proposed for this section.

8:02Speaker 5

At the October 22 EPC meeting, the committee recommended approval of the proposed zoning text amendment. And this concludes staff's presentation.

8:13Speaker 1

Okay. Any questions for staff?

8:16 – 8:32Speaker 3

Just one quick question. Do we look at any of the other are there any other special overlay zoning districts in any of the other sub areas there that would be that might have something like this? We examine that as part of this other than Rustic Ranches? So in the East

8:32Speaker 5

Well, Rustic Ranches was the only sub area that was

8:36Speaker 3

You had the call out?

8:36Speaker 5

Yes. Correct.

8:39Speaker 8

And as far as RVs, is that ones with motors as well as trailers that are pulled by trucks and things of that nature? Is it just the ones with engines?

8:48Speaker 5

It's really a matter of living in them. So the RVs that people actually have hookups and living in electricity are the ones that

8:57Speaker 8

So that falls under both categories, right?

8:58Speaker 5

Yes. What Correct.

9:03Speaker 1

Gave rise to this? Was this Rustic Ranches was affected by that tornado last year, right?

9:08 – 9:53Speaker 7

Yes. We did have one property that had a code compliance issue relative to the number of RVs they had on it. But so in speaking with that property owner, but also the pine tree board, which represents Rustic, had contacted us and said they would like us to consider it. The village manager directed us to bring forward this. Staff initiated to put them on level playing field with the rest of the equestrian area. But my understanding is the rustic community may be coming back in the future as a neighborhood wanting to have even more ability to use RVs for temporary residences.

9:54Speaker 1

So I assume the Pine Tree Board has the authority then to make this request to the village.

10:00Speaker 7

It formal wasn't request in that way, but as Kelly said, when they created their neighborhood plan, it was done through a survey

10:10 – 10:26Speaker 7

vote. And so we have essentially notified those property owners and have not received any objections. In fact, the few emails we did receive were in support of the proposal.

10:26Speaker 1

Okay. Do we have to open this for public comment?

10:30Speaker 3

I'll make a motion to open for public comment. Second.

10:33 – 10:44Speaker 1

Motion and second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion passes unanimously. We're now open for public comment. Anyone here from Rusty Ranches who wants to speak on this tonight?

10:47Speaker 4

I'll make a motion to close public

10:49Speaker 1

Second. Motion to close in this. Second? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none.

10:56 – 11:10Speaker 3

Make a motion to approve ordinance twenty twenty five-twenty for the change of the Rustic Ranches overlay zoning district to remove the two week maximum for the RVs.

11:11Speaker 9

Second. Okay.

11:12Speaker 1

There's a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, passes unanimously.

11:29Speaker 1

Okay. So this is quasi judicial. Yes. You need to swear in speakers first?

11:34 – 11:50Speaker 10

Yes. Okay. Is this going to be a combined hearing? Yes. Okay. So if you intend to be heard on either of these items, would you raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

11:57Speaker 1

Let's start with I think we need to reveal any conversations.

12:02Speaker 2

Oh, I'm sorry, ex party.

12:03Speaker 1

party. Okay. Who wants to start? Ms. Fakis?

12:07Speaker 2

Yeah, I can start.

12:08Speaker 1

Okay. Go ahead. We're going to just for everyone's sake, we're going go ahead and reveal any ex party communications.

12:14 – 12:40Speaker 2

I had discussions with Neal Schiller and other agents of the applicant, discussions with our Village of Wellington planning and zoning staff and legal counsel, Doctor. Kristi Lund, Jane Cleveland, Maureen Brennan. I received an email from Ellie Trubenbach. And I also read the various public comments and emails that were attached and sent to us as part of our packet. And notwithstanding, I can be fair and impartial.

12:40Speaker 10

And generally, could you just summarize the substance of those communications, please?

12:45Speaker 2

The communications were about the applications that were submitted by the applicant.

12:50 – 13:16Speaker 4

Thank you. I spoke with Ms. Kramer. I spoke with Doctor. Lund. She had reached out to me, and so I spoke with her. And then I met with the, well, did a Zoom with the applicant to just go over tonight's agenda and the changes in their presentation. And

13:17Speaker 10

I can be fair and impartial. Thank you.

13:20 – 13:54Speaker 1

So I met with the applicant and Mr. Stiller. I had not yet even seen the application yet, so that was a very introductory presentation. I met with staff today to go over any questions discussed this with the mayor. I talked with Councilman McGovern. I spoke with Annabel Garrett very briefly. I did speak with Doctor. Lund, and I reviewed some emails that she had exchanged between herself and the village staff. And I spoke to Andrew Carduner. Again, just very general in nature. And I can be fair and impartial. I

13:56 – 14:08Speaker 9

had a conversation, a meeting with the applicant to go over the proposal. I talked to Doctor. Lund. Notwithstanding that, can be fair and impartial. I

14:11 – 14:36Speaker 3

had a meeting with the applicant. I also spoke with Councilwoman Silvestri, Councilman McGovern and Mayor Napolione, all in discussions around the project. I also spoke with staff, Corey specifically, and Lori, just about the nature of mostly about Section 6.8.8 and the application. Notwithstanding that, I can be fair and impartial.

14:37 – 14:50Speaker 12

I also spoke with the applicant via Zoom. I spoke with mayor Napione and councilman McGovern. We spoke about a little bit about the history of the site. I got the presentation, and notwithstanding that, I can be fair and impartial.

14:51Speaker 8

I had a Zoom meeting with Neil Schiller and the rest

14:55 – 15:09Speaker 8

applicants. Few text messages with Marie Brennan. Emails between myself and doctor Lund and Jane Cleveland. Also spoke to councilwoman Silvestri, and I can be fair and impartial.

15:11Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

15:14 – 15:46Speaker 5

Before you tonight are the rezoning and master plan applications for Isla Carol Polo And Residences, petition number 2025Dash0004DashREZ and 2025Dash-twoMP, which I would like to officially enter all files into the record. The applicant is 120th Avenue South LLC, and the agent is Seth Bain with Lewis, Longman and Walker. The agent's team is going to be presenting their presentation first, and then staff's presentation will follow.

15:52Speaker 1

You ready for me? I am. Okay.

15:54Speaker 3

Well, thank you, mister chair. Good

15:56 – 16:23Speaker 11

evening. Good evening, Mr. Chair, honorable board members, village attorney and staff. My name is Neal Schiller, Government Law Group, 137 Northwest 1st Avenue in Delray Beach, Florida. Here tonight representing the applicant. We have a presentation. I want to introduce Tom Lucid, Ed Devita and Seth Bain, part of our team. And we are going

16:23 – 16:59Speaker 11

started. Oops. I screwed up. I pressed this button by accident, sorry. And I will apologize in advance. I'm in the middle of a sinus infection so please don't hold my voice against me. We're here tonight seeking a rezoning from Equestrian Residential in the EOZD to planned unit development in the EOZD. And then the associated master plan approval. Now I'm going to introduce Ed to come and talk to you a little bit about Discovery Land Company.

17:01 – 17:19Speaker 14

Thank you, Neil. I'm Ed Devita. I'm a founding partner of Discovery Land Company. Discovery, it's nice to see everybody again. And I would like to emphasize our appreciation for your service to Wellington and especially your attention to our application.

17:19 – 18:05Speaker 14

Thank you for that. Discovery has had 40 successful residential projects since inception. And our projects are proven contributors to the economic development and stature of the towns and villages that we work within. For Isle Of Carroll, Discovery will guide the long term operations and bring our Discovery experience and quality to the community. On behalf of my partners, I want to express our sincere appreciation for this opportunity, especially to partner together with McCourt, as well as the USPA to bring Isla Carroll back to a premium polo competition arena.

18:06Speaker 14

So thank you for your consideration. I'd like to turn it over to Thomas Luceid, who represents our partner, McCourt.

18:16 – 18:43Speaker 12

Thank you, Ed, and thank you, echoing Ed's sentiments for your service and for your attention tonight. My name is Tom Lusset. I'm Senior Vice President of Development with McCourt Partners. McCourt Partners is a family owned real estate development and investment firm with more than $1,000,000,000 in permanent capital committed to our platform. Our founder, Frank McCourt, and his wife, Monica, are proud South Florida residents.

18:43 – 19:23Speaker 12

They have a home here in Wellington and a 10 acre farm in Grand Prix Village. When Frank acquired ILEC Carroll in 2022, his goal was clear. It was to create a place in Wellington where the equestrian lifestyle is not just preserved, but it's also elevated and celebrated. From this aerial, you can see the 80 acre Ily Carol property just West of 120th Avenue South and directly north of the National Polo Center. Frank purchased the property in June 2022, just about a week before the USPA acquired what is now NPC and now known, as their website says, as the, quote, perpetual home of polo in The United States.

19:25 – 20:08Speaker 12

The area shown in red is Islec Harrell located at the Northeast end of Sub Area D in the Equestrian Overlay Zoning District. This location naturally transitions between Wellington's denser residential areas to the North and the broader Equestrian District to the South. It's also worth noting that Sub Area D allows some of the highest as of right density in the entire EOZD, with one unit permitted per two acres. In January, we presented an earlier version of this project to this board and the Equestrian Preserve Committee. Before showing where we landed today, we want to briefly reflect on the feedback that shaped this new plan.

20:09 – 20:52Speaker 12

So the old proposal focused on a community barn and a multi discipline equestrian amenity. The key things we heard from this board were that community barns are difficult to sustain in Wellington, long term sustainable equestrian offerings are essential, and a broad multi discipline program doesn't fit Wellington's high performance competition focused community. So we stepped back and rather than push this old plan forward, we withdrew the application and we committed to rethinking the project from the ground up. So we started over. And we began by talking with the community, especially those closest to us, our neighbors at NPC.

20:52 – 21:29Speaker 12

It became clear very quickly just how meaningful Islay Carroll is, especially the East Field. We heard stories from Memo Grecida, one of the greats, about playing for the Isla Carroll Polo Championship team. And we heard the story from several people at the United States Polo Association about the rain soaked twenty twenty three US Open on Field 1. On that April Sunday, the skies opened, rain poured down, and play stopped. By Monday morning, only one field had shed the water quickly enough to make the play possible, Islay Carol East, due to its crowning and superior drainage abilities.

21:29 – 21:56Speaker 12

With players set to fly to Argentina on Tuesday, the window was razor thin. The match had to happen on Monday, and it did because of Isla Carroll. In short, all roads led back to Polo. So we reimagined the plan around preserving Isle Carol East, partnering closely with USPA to give the field long term stewardship. At the same time, we wanted to understand what we could build as of right under today's zoning.

21:57 – 22:35Speaker 12

We've laid out the one unit per two acre plan shown here in black, and then added the required roadways, water management areas, and setbacks. What we found is that while two acres per lot is permitted, once you factor in infrastructure, the usable area per lot is closer to one and a half acres. And this is still all as of right, 40 lots averaging one and a half usable acres. Looking around Wellington, we could not find examples of lots on one and a half usable acres that support meaningful equestrian infrastructure. Buyers could choose to add equestrian elements, but there's no guarantee.

22:35 – 23:09Speaker 12

Nothing we could do to compel them. And historically, on lots of this size, most simply do not. The more realistic outcome is a conventional subdivision with limited, if any, equestrian character, offering little connection to Wellington's equestrian economy, competition industry, and way of life. The McCourt team met with the village last week in a pre application on this site plan. While this option is financially viable and avoids a public hearing process, it's ultimately an uninspiring solution.

23:09 – 23:58Speaker 12

We believe McCourt and Discovery together can deliver something far better with the village's approval versus McCourt developing an as of right plan. As we shifted toward a polo centric vision, we spoke with Nacho Figueres and were introduced to the work of Estudio Ramos, whose equestrian architecture in Argentina has been featured in Architectural Digest, Nacho's stable seen here. Their polo communities span Argentina, Napa, and even The Middle East. And they've earned a global reputation for designing places that feel authentic and world class. We brought a studio Ramos onto the team and paired them with our master planners at Hart Howerton to build an entirely new vision for Islay Carroll, one anchored by preserving the East Field and maximizing open space.

24:01 – 24:41Speaker 12

This brings us to the plan you see here and what we'll be focusing on today. The centerpiece is the Islay Carroll East Polo Field, which will be maintained and managed by USPA under a long term agreement. To the east, we've created a 600 foot long, one and a quarter acre spectator area that accommodates hundreds of viewers. Trailer parking and NPC connections were designed with the USPA to ensure smooth operations during major events. The home sites, now half acre lots, are larger than the previous plan, which averaged one third an acre, and all front either a polo field or large water bodies, strengthening the sense of openness.

24:42 – 25:28Speaker 12

Altogether, the plan delivers 60% open space, and that is not including the open portions of the individual residential lots. We also consolidated the the Discovery Land Company managed amenities, spaces into fewer structures, which helped create even more open space while providing a clubhouse, racket courts, kids club, spa fitness, and pool areas, with the centerpiece being the clubhouse overlooking the polo field. And here are some of the images of what this could be if approved. Here you're looking south toward NPC with more than 17 acres of open space around the field and supporting areas. As part of the rezoning, we are committing to a deed restriction to preserve this land as equestrian open space in perpetuity.

25:30 – 26:19Speaker 12

The view to the West shows how the larger water bodies create the spacious open feel within the residential area. And we've also designed a multimodal trail around the property for residents and members, emphasizing open space, wellness, and sport. Importantly, the new plan integrates seamlessly with NPC across the street, preserves Islay Carol East under a deed restriction in perpetuity, and places itself across from the literal perpetual home of Polo, and formalizes a collaboration between USPA and Ila Carroll that's already been working successfully for several seasons since Frank McCourt acquired the site in 2022. And with that, I'd like to invite Bob McMurtry, interim COO of the United States Polo Association, to speak about the USPA partnership.

26:29 – 27:08Speaker 6

Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board. My name is Bob McMurtry, and I'm appearing before you as the Interim chief operating officer of The United States Polo Association, the national governing body of the sport of polo. On behalf of our chairman, Stuart Armstrong, our board of governors, and the National Polo Center team, I want to express our continued support for the proposed Isla Carroll Wellington development, and particularly for its commitment to preserve and enhance the historic Isla Carroll East Polo Field. This Polo Field has been part of Wellington's equestrian polo landscape for decades.

27:08 – 28:12Speaker 6

Under the current development proposal, the historic field will not only be preserved for equestrian use, it will be reenergized as a critical polo venue for future generations. The developers have agreed to make the field available to the USPA's wholly owned subsidiary, NPC Polo Operations LLC, for long term use as part of the broader polo program at the National Polo Center just across the street. The USPA's partnership with McCourt Discovery started last summer when the USPA and McCourt Discovery entered into a letter of intent to license the Isla Carroll East Polo Field. From the beginning, the USPA has approached this project as a partnership, not merely a land use discussion. The McCourt Discovery development team has worked closely and constructively with the USPA to align this project with our shared goal, the long term preservation and active use of the historical Isla Carroll Polo Field for the sport of polo.

28:13 – 29:01Speaker 6

When we appeared before the Equestrian Preserve Committee on October 22, the committee's primary concern seemed to be that the USPA's participation was based only on a nonbinding letter of intent. Since then, we've negotiated a comprehensive long term and binding license agreement that defines in detail the USPA's right to use, manage, and maintain the Isla Carroll East Field through our wholly owned subsidiary, NPC Polo Operations. This agreement transforms intent into enforceable reality, ensuring that the Isla Carroll East Field will be preserved, maintained, and operated as a functional polo field for decades to come. I'd

29:01 – 29:40Speaker 6

outline some of the key terms of this license agreement that we've negotiated. The initial term is twenty five years long, with two automatic ten year renewals and then unlimited renewals by mutual agreement thereafter. So effectively, this establishes a forty five year commitment with indefinite continuation potential. The agreement defines the USPA's use of the field. So we will manage the field through NPC Polo Ops in the same manner as our other six NPC fields that are adjacent to the Isla Carroll property.

29:40 – 30:27Speaker 6

It'll be used for tournament games, youth and instructional polo, and special events. The USPA will have the right to schedule and use the field during the polo season in a manner that is consistent with its use of its other six fields. The developer will also have limited use during the polo season to five to seven charity or resident polo events per season, plus some pre approved community events or holiday events, all scheduled in cooperation with the USPA and NPC Polo Ops. The maintenance is defined in the license agreement. Year round maintenance will be performed exclusively by NPC Polo operations to the USPA Standards for Competition field.

30:29 – 31:30Speaker 6

The agreement also defines certain improvements that the developer is required to do. Infrastructure enhancements like a scoreboard, video and sound systems, all to be installed and maintained by the developer for the use of the USPA as a licensed user during the polo season. Importantly, the license agreement contemplates and requires that a memorandum of license be recorded in the Palm Beach County land records protecting the USPA's long term rights to the field. As Tom mentioned, they've also agreed to restrictive covenant deed restrictions running with the land and recorded with the Palm Beach County land records, further protecting the USPA's interest in the use of the field. And importantly, the license agreement will have a covenant restricting the ability to amend, modify, or terminate the restrictive covenants and deed restriction, giving the USPA an enforcement right of the deed restriction.

31:32 – 32:36Speaker 6

The license anticipates only two events that can cause it to be terminated. If McCourt Discovery does not get the zoning entitlements to move forward with the project, the license could be terminated. The only other provision under which the license can be terminated is if the USBA defaults on its obligations under the license, which are to pay a dollar a year and play polo on the field. The license framework developed in partnership between the USPA and McCourt Discovery ensures that the Isla Carroll East Field will remain a working polo field, professionally maintained, have year round and actively used for sanctioned USPA polo, which includes tournament play, youth polo, and instructional sessions and special events, all complementing the Sunday games on Field 1 at NPC. To be clear and fully transparent, this license has not been executed and is under review by the USPA's Board of Governors.

32:37 – 33:44Speaker 6

I anticipate approval will be granted and the license will be executed in the very near future. This partnership and long term binding license directly support the USPA's mission to promote and expand the sport of polo across The United States By securing the Isla Carroll East Field for long term polo use, this agreement ensures that Wellington remains the center of American polo, home to top level tournament play, youth development, and community polo programming. The field will serve as a complementary venue to the main NPC fields, increasing scheduling flexibility and providing more opportunities for players, fans, families, and spectators to engage with the sport of polo. In conclusion, the USPA views this as a model collaboration between a responsive developer, a committed equestrian community, and a national sports governing body. It represents real, tangible preservation of equestrian open space, not just in name, but in function and long term stewardship.

33:45 – 34:06Speaker 6

We respectfully ask your support on this project so that the Isle Of Carroll Eastfield can continue its proud legacy and active polo venue, managed to the highest professional standards and open to future generations of polar players and fans. Thank you for your time and for your ongoing commitment to the Wellington Equestrian Heritage.

34:07 – 34:21Speaker 11

:Thank you, Bob. I'm going to pick up where Bob left off. I noticed that the time is running. We do have two presentations combined. So would he get the extra twenty minutes? Mr.

34:21Speaker 1

Well, since they're presenting on the comp plan and the master plan amendment, so if they were doing it separately, they would get 20 on the comp and 20 on the master plan? Yes. So

34:30Speaker 10

It's up to the board.

34:31Speaker 11

We hope we'll be done before that.

34:32Speaker 2

It's up to the board.

34:33Speaker 3

I'll make a move I'll make a motion to give the additional time to the applicant.

34:39Speaker 1

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

34:42 – 35:00Speaker 11

Thank you. Thank you so much, honorary board. Bob did a fantastic job of identifying the key points of the agreement that we hope to have executed very shortly. This is what they are on the screen. I don't have to go through them again.

35:00 – 35:29Speaker 11

He was so eloquent in his description. I wanted to point out the changes between the original plan and the new plan. Tom Lucid actually pointed out a lot of these. One of the biggest ones or two of the biggest ones I want to point out are 60% open space and the preservation of the field with USPA as our partner. We feel that the new plan is vastly superior to the original plan.

35:31 – 36:06Speaker 11

Last month we were here before you, in front of not before you, but before EPC. And there were three main concerns that EPC seemed to address in their final vote. Which was first, the preservation of Isla Carol East and the change to of a restrictive covenant to a deed restriction. The second, the relationship with the USPA, which I think you just heard a substantive recital from the interim chief operating officer of the USPA. And then future maintenance of the Isle Carroll Field.

36:07 – 36:37Speaker 11

Let's talk about the deed restriction and restrictive covenant first. Because I think this is important. We have proposed that the Isle Of Carroll East Field will be preserved in perpetuity with a restrictive covenant as your code requires. We will then record that restrictive covenant and attach it to the deed. So anytime that deed is pulled, the restrictive covenant will be pulled with it, effectively making it a deed restriction.

36:38 – 37:37Speaker 11

Additionally, the covenantrestriction inures to the village's benefit and will only be amended by a super majority vote, which is a very high standard at a high bar to meet. And most importantly, as you heard, as part of our agreement with USPA, we will not be able to seek to amend, terminate, do anything to that restrictive covenant. We're not permitted to do it under the agreement that will hopefully be executed very shortly. That should give you and everybody else in the village of Wellington extreme comfort that this will be a polo field and equestrian open space truly in perpetuity. Let's talk about maintenance because if the field's not maintained, it's not going to be around so long.

37:37 – 38:24Speaker 11

Well that's why USPA is so important. They are the industry leaders of maintenance of a polo field and have already as you heard agreed to maintain that field not just during polo season all year round. Lastly, was a question about whose ultimate responsibility is maintaining the field. And that ultimate responsibility is to the club and the ownership. McCourt and DLC both have unique financial resources and the business plan has been designed to ensure proper reserves are in place for the continuous maintenance of that field should USPA ever go away.

38:26 – 39:07Speaker 11

Public benefits of this project, I can't overstate it enough. Preserving that field in perpetuity, having it only be amended by a super majority vote of the village council protects valuable open speech which your comprehensive plan speaks about. Secondly, having USPA program and maintain the field for competition cements the village's reputation as the polo capital of The United States. And as we know, polo is a large economic generator in this village and in Palm Beach County. Isla Carroll will be open to the public for matches, practices, and other events.

39:08 – 39:41Speaker 11

There is a right of way contribution that we will be making for the roundabout on 120th Avenue South. And this will serve, as you heard from Bob, serve as an upgraded venue for charity equestrian events. We've already confirmed that with USPA. We have already identified five to seven different events for charity that really goes to benefit the public. When you look at your comp plan and a lot of the criteria require us to look at the comp plan, these are the three equestrian goals.

39:41 – 40:25Speaker 11

Preserving equestrian lifestyle in Wellington, maintaining a multi modal network, and supporting Wellington's equestrian competition industry. I want to point out the verbiage under EQ3. Support the equestrian competition industry as a component of the equestrian lifestyle and economic sector of Wellington. By preserving Isla Carroll East in perpetuity, we not only preserve the equestrian lifestyle, but the equestrian competition industry too. Hosting matches at Isla Carroll directly supports EQ3, along with having the authority of polo in The United States program and maintain that field.

40:27 – 41:09Speaker 11

When you look at equestrian element number one, it says preserve the equestrian lifestyle in Wellington. And as I just showed you, supporting the equestrian competition industry is part of the equestrian lifestyle. This supporting or preserving Isla Carol East in perpetuity extends the development pattern that exists today in the EOZD. Our proposal is compliant with the density that is prescribed on your code. We're activating Isla Carol East for polo with events, that supports the equestrian lifestyle too.

41:10 – 42:01Speaker 11

And then grouping the residential on the west side of the field allows for the preservation of the Isla Carroll East Field in perpetuity. And that, ladies and gentlemen, directly preserves the equestrian lifestyle in Wellington for the village and for these residents of the PUD. Equestrian element three, Support equestrians Wellington's equestrian competition industry. I think what Bob said can really ring true here. Having a partner that is the authority of polo in The United States, Not only program for competition, but program for youth activities and everything under the sun related to polo on our historic field.

42:01 – 42:41Speaker 11

We have, as you heard, on the precipice of a long term agreement that is initially forty five years, but can be extended by both parties in tranches of ten years after the fact. That directly supports EQ3. Creating synergies with National Polo Center to host those polo matches at Isla Carroll directly supports EQ3. And as we know, the polo competition industry is a significant generator of economics in the city Of Wellington. So this is the as of right plan.

42:41 – 43:12Speaker 11

This plan isn't compliant with EQ one, EQ two, or EQ three at all. This plan isn't compliant with the goals, policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan related to equestrian developments. Why? There's no guarantee of equestrian activity ever happening on these lots. So when we get to the zoning and we talk about equestrian developments and 6.8.8 is really where we land.

43:12 – 43:59Speaker 11

And I want to point out the verbiage that's super important at the beginning of this ordinance which says that EDs, in fact, equestrian developments, are those PUD's located in the EPA with the goal to provide an equestrian oriented master plan. An ED shall be designed for compatibility with the objectives of the section along with the use of flexible property regulations and design standards. That is what a PUD is. When you start working with a PUD and you're creative and you have blank land to work from, you get creative. And sometimes you need to use these flexible property development regulations.

43:59 – 44:21Speaker 11

And we're doing that here so we can preserve the Isla Carroll Field. Our master plan is compliant with the EPA and the sub areas. The ED master plan is also compliant with the PDD regulations. We are proposing only single only 40 single family detached residential units. Which is in compliance with your code.

44:21 – 45:04Speaker 11

When you get to D, the Isla Carroll Field is our internal focus of an equestrian oriented master plan. I just explained to you how we meet and exceed the comprehensive plan related to equestrian lifestyle. Secondly, the master plan shall provide that all of these common equestrian amenities, the field, be installed before there is a CO of any residential dwelling unit. And I can tell you that the field will be upgraded and maintained to USPA standards way before a CO is ever even applied for. Secondly, prior to the issuance of the master plan, we need to provide village with a deed restriction.

45:05 – 45:43Speaker 11

And a form acceptable to the Wellington attorney, which she already has a copy, shall be executed and recorded to limit in perpetuity the use of common equestrian amenities to owners, residents, or guests of owners within the ED. And ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly what we're proposing here tonight. In addition to preserving the field, that field, that deed restriction, restrictive covenant can only be amended by a super majority of the council. And according to the agreement with the USPA, only after that agreement has ended, if it ever does. And again, no incentives are sought in this as part of this plan.

45:43 – 46:09Speaker 11

No additional density is allowed. We have criteria. I'm going to go through it very succinctly. I've shown you how we meet and exceed the goals, purposes, policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan by focusing on POLO, preserving the Isla Carol East field in perpetuity, and hosting additional equestrian activities off season. We are consistent with the purpose and intent of the land development regulations.

46:09 – 46:46Speaker 11

I've included that 6.1.3 for your review. And again, we're not only preserving this field in perpetuity, we're hosting international level events. We're being made this field is being maintained by the authority of Polo in The United States. All of this is not only maintains and enhances the equestrian lifestyle but supports the equestrian character of the village and the local economy of the village. And where additionally, the PUD is consistent with the permitted density.

46:47 – 47:24Speaker 11

Compatibility and consistency with the existing uses and zoning surrounding the subject land. Again, making Isla Carol East a competition polo venue fits right in with the National Polo Center to the south. And allowing the residential as part of this plan gives everybody the ability to preserve the field by grouping the residential on the western side of the property. Further we also have synergies with MPC as I will show you. The changed conditions that require the rezoning, yes the village is nearly built out.

47:24 – 47:50Speaker 11

But this is unique because of our location to MPC. As you can see here, we are directly next door. And we happen to have one of the best fields in Wellington that drains unbelievable. It is completely foreseeable to have this development directly next door to National Polo Center. The synergies are unlimited, basically.

47:52 – 48:26Speaker 11

The results the request would not significantly adversely affect the neighboring properties or the natural environment. And again, the development is focused on preserving the Isle Of Carroll Eastfield in perpetuity which maintains over 60% of these 80 acres. There's an expansion of our lake system. And we are having large landscape buffers where we can use the existing mature vegetation on-site to fill in those landscape buffers. The request will result in a logical and orderly development pattern.

48:26 – 49:02Speaker 11

Again, as you show from here, this slide you can see how the field fits super nicely with all of the open space to the North and to the South. And additionally, the residential is transitioned by the field to the West with the water treatment center and the recreational activities, as well as the dense residential to the South and to the North. Consistency with applicable neighborhood plans. There are no neighborhood applicable plans here. However, we have been focused on the consistency with the equestrian preserve area and the EOZD.

49:03 – 49:33Speaker 11

And these are your compliance concurrency, sorry, criteria which we either meet or exceed all of those. And again, this as of right plan doesn't really do anything related to your LDRs, right. There's no equestrian focus here. There's no preservation. Heck, there's not even 60% open space here. I may need a few more extra minutes. So Mr. Chair, I'm almost Yeah. Done.

49:34Speaker 1

Let's try and wrap it up.

49:35 – 50:04Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you. Master Plan criteria. That actually mimics a lot of the LDR criteria. The consistency with the comprehensive plan we've shown you. Compliance with the land development regulations we've shown you. The use density intensity standards are all the same. The configuration is a little bit different, but the standards are the same. Does our request minimize environmental impacts? Absolutely it does by saving 60% minimally of our open space.

50:05 – 50:34Speaker 11

How does the design proposed design of the proposed request minimizes adverse impacts including visual impact? Again, grouping the residential on one part of the property allows for the preservation of the field on the other part. We have 60% minimum open space and we have large heavily vegetated buffers around the site. No their consistency with neighborhood plans. Again there are no neighborhood plans.

50:34 – 51:01Speaker 11

And the request result in a logical and orderly development pattern which I've shown you. The last criteria on the master plan is are we going to meet or comply with the building standards here? Absolutely. And most importantly your staff who is very capable and phenomenal actually recommends approval on both the master plan and the rezoning. This permitted as of right plan doesn't do any of those things that I just said.

51:02 – 51:21Speaker 11

No equestrian focus. Doesn't meet any of the goals or intent of the LDRs. Here is the deed restriction, the first page. The deed restriction becomes or the restrictive covenant, excuse me, becomes a deed restriction once recorded. Again, this is all things that I've told you.

51:22 – 52:05Speaker 11

Super majority, preserving open space in perpetuity. And the fact that our agreement with USPA would prohibit us from any from even applying or thinking about applying to do anything with that deed restriction. That is a backup of a backup of a deed restriction that happens to be brilliant. Wasn't my idea. But it's a brilliant backup to the deed restriction. This is the pods. So there was concern about who's going to maintain what. And you can clearly see the three separate and distinct pods here. Residential pod on the west that includes some lake area. In fact, includes all the lake areas.

52:05 – 52:26Speaker 11

Excuse me. In the middle you have the club and amenity pod. And then you have the equestrian amenity pod. Each one of these pods will have a separate legal description which is important for preserving that equestrian amenity pod in perpetuity. In conclusion, this is a superior plan.

52:26 – 52:51Speaker 11

Not only to the as of right plan, which we know we can do as of right, but to the original plan. Why? Because ladies and gentlemen, we listened to all of the feedback. Good, bad, and trust me, ugly feedback. And we have come up with a plan that meets and exceeds your comprehensive plan, your land development regulations.

52:51 – 53:25Speaker 11

We have the unique ability. This is I can't stress this enough. To have USPA program an additional field and have competition on that field and maintain that field to the highest of standards throughout the year for forty five years, minimally. Again, I talked about the restrictive covenant, super majority, staff recommends approval. This is the as of right plan.

53:25 – 54:17Speaker 11

And as Tom said, we met with your staff last week to ensure that this is something that we could do by just filing an application. There is no guaranteed equestrian here. This does not, in any world or lifetime, support the village of Wellington, support your ideas for equestrian usage and preservation. And again, no public approval is required. Whereas the proposed plan is a creative solution to not only preserving this field in perpetuity, creating substantial open space that fits in the neighborhood, but has created a relationship with the USPA to ensure that everything is to the highest of standards.

54:19 – 54:55Speaker 11

I just want to point out lastly, I know the village has been inundated with residential projects. I'm sure your board has been busier than ever recently. And I will say that because I recognize that everybody and their brother is looking for land in Wellington. However, this is so unique. By preserving that field forever and being in synergy, I mean true synergy with the United States Polo Association, the National Polo Center.

54:56 – 55:36Speaker 11

This project doesn't just support the EOZD. This project will support the village of Wellington as a whole. And we hope that you will see that. We hope you will recognize how truly special a project this is and that deserves your strong consideration tonight and your vote for approval. Before I end, I just want to say I want to thank your staff specifically. They have been excellent to work with. They've held our feet to the fire to get to this point. But we appreciate their time and energy. And as do we appreciate yours. And thank you for your consideration.

55:36 – 55:51Speaker 1

:Thank you. We can staff, assume, has a presentation to give?

55:51Speaker 1

Okay. So do we want to hear from staff before we go into Yes. Yes.

55:57Speaker 1

right. So let's go ahead and hear from staff. Thank you.

56:00Speaker 16

and shorten it. Okay.

56:02Speaker 3

Take all your time.

56:05 – 57:00Speaker 5

He took all my material. Again, Isla Carroll is located at 120th Avenue South, directly north of the National Polo Center. It is 79.17 acres in size, has a future land use map designation of Residential B and zoning designation of Equestrian Residential and within Subarea D of the Equestrian Overlay Zoning District. The applicant is requesting to amend the zoning designation to planned unit development, Equestrian Overlay Zoning District, and to adopt the Isla Carroll Polo and Residences PUD Master Plan, which includes 40 dwelling units and a club amenity pod. Isla Carroll is a private farm constructed in 1994, consisting of a single family residence with a 24 stall barn, two polo fields and other ancillary facilities.

57:01 – 57:58Speaker 5

The property is used as an additional access point and overflow parking for the National Polo Center and hosts polo matches. In 2017, WEP Polo LLC included a 16 acre portion of Isla Carroll into applications to change the land use designation from residential to commercial rec and to remove the property from the EPA to change the zoning from agricultural residential to equestrian commercial zoning district. The applications were heard by EPC and PZAB but were later withdrawn. The property was purchased by the current owner in June 2022. And in July 2024, the owner submitted rezoning and master plan applications for the proposed Isla Carroll PUD project, which included 35 single family lots, five farm lots and a club amenity site.

57:59 – 58:44Speaker 5

The applications made their way through the public hearing process with the EPC recommending denial and the PZAB granting a postponement. The applications were also later withdrawn by the applicant. This slide shows the current zoning map shown on the left and the proposed zoning map shown on the right with the subject property bubbled in yellow. This slide shows the proposed Isla Carol Polo and Residences PUD master plan. However, there was a different master plan bubble plan shown by the applicant that separates the club amenity pod into a club amenity pod and then into an equestrian pod.

58:45 – 59:31Speaker 5

It does not change the acreages of what's shown here. It just splits the club and amenity pod that is shown in the red. The proposed master plan creates a 47.85 acre residential pod and designates 40 dwelling lots with a minimum of 0.43 acres in size. It creates a club amenity pod with a divine development program consisting of equestrian facilities and club amenities, delineates three access points, two along 120th Avenue South and one along 35th Street South, connecting to National Polo Center. It adopts a project standards manual and establishes conditions of approval.

59:33 – 1:00:13Speaker 5

And this slide just shows the conceptual site plan, which was detailed, explained by the agent. Part of the staff's analysis is to determine if the request complies with Wellington's comprehensive plan, the land development regulations and other requirements. And the next few slides just provides a brief analysis of each requirement. The proposed request complies with LU and CD 1.1.2, 1.1.1 and 2.1.4 of the land use element. As the gross the overall gross density of Isla Carroll PUD is 0.5 DU acres, which complies with the Residential B Future Land Use Map designation.

1:00:14 – 1:01:00Speaker 5

The site layout attempts to minimize impacts to adjacent properties by using buffers, use placement and setbacks. It also complies with policy MB 1.1.2, 2.1.1 and 2.3.3 of the mobility element. Wallington's traffic engineer reviewed and determined compliance. The developer will be required to make a proportionate share payment of 2.82% for construction of the roundabout or traffic signal at Lake Worth Road and 120th Avenue South Intersection. The developer will be required to provide Wellington additional right of way and design plans for the construction of the roundabout at 120th Avenue South and the Village Park Intersection.

1:01:01 – 1:01:46Speaker 5

Annual monitoring will also be required to determine if additional mitigation is needed in the future. With the question element, the request complies with Goal EQ1, Objective EQ1.1 and Policy EQ1.1. The applicant is proposing 40 dwelling units, which is based on and meets the gross density permitted by subarea D and the possibility for equestrian lots with the unification of more than 1.5 acres. The PUD will include a private equestrian centric sports club surrounding the existing polo field. And the equestrian complex allows for continued coordination with NPC and could also accommodate smaller events with the issuance of a special use permit.

1:01:47 – 1:02:25Speaker 5

A restrictive covenant will also be recorded restricting the use of equestrian facilities to owners, residents, guests, members and or licensees of owners within the PUD. This slide just shows more policies and objectives of the comp plan that the request meets, which are detailed in the staff report. A conceptual site plan was submitted for the project. And if the proposed requests are approved, a site plan will be required. A project standards manual has been submitted as required by Section six fifty two and six fifty four of the land development regulations.

1:02:26 – 1:03:15Speaker 5

A PSM is a governing document for a project in addition to a master plan and site plan and provides lot sizes and setbacks, development and design standards, landscape requirements, circulation and is adopted by resolution. Residential POD illustrates 40 single family lots, a minimum of 0.43 acres in size. And per the land development regulations, PUDs are to allow flexibility in the application of zoning regulations. PUDs are governed by development orders, master plans, PSMs and site plans. PUDs in the Equestrian Preserve Area are considered equestrian developments and are compatible with Equestrian Overlay Zoning District and can have flexible property development regulations.

1:03:16 – 1:03:55Speaker 5

Overall density of the entire PUD will meet the maximum density of subarea D, which is 0.5 dwelling units per acre. There are no increase in density requested. If subdivided today, the property would be permitted to have 40 lots, a minimum of two acres in size. And as stated previously, the traffic engineer determined the proposed development meets Wellington traffic performance standards and conditions of approval have been included in the resolution. No visual impacts are expected as the property has a thick, mature landscape buffer, which will be required to be enhanced as well.

1:03:56 – 1:04:30Speaker 5

This slide provides a summary of other requirements, which are explained more in detail in the staff report. At the October 22 EPC meeting, the committee recommended denial of both applications. The staff's analysis concludes that the proposed requests comply with the requirements for a rezoning and master plan. If the proposed requests are approved, conditions of approval are provided for in the master plan Resolution R2025-sixty seven. This concludes staff's presentation. UNIDENTIFIED

1:04:31 – 1:05:12Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you. So I appreciate staff's presentation and the applicants as well. I have to in order to do this process justice, I think there's an issue that needs to be clarified right away. They do have existing development rights. That's true. But there's two mechanisms that are bringing them here today. The first is that they want to put those single family units on half the allotted space basically. But really, I mean, the bigger point is they want to include 174,000 square feet of what is essentially a country club. Yet we heard nothing about that at all.

1:05:13 – 1:05:30Speaker 1

So I don't know whether it's the applicant or staff, but we need clarity on exactly what that is and what it means to this property Because that just was kind of glossed over. Do you want to go ahead, Mr. Schiller, and kind of give us some details on that, please?

1:05:31Speaker 11

I'm going to bring up Ed Devita from DLC to talk about the club and the amenities of the club.

1:05:36Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

1:05:37Speaker 11

You want me to put the

1:05:40Speaker 14

The master plan.

1:05:41 – 1:05:52Speaker 11

Master plan back on? Okay.

1:05:56Speaker 14

Thank you. The club amenities have been scaled to serve the residents of the community, as well

1:06:03 – 1:06:31Speaker 14

outside members. We have included in our application that we're proposing up to three twenty five members total. Of those three twenty five, 40 would be the residents that are within the club. The amenities that are included that you can see I'll use the mouse here. So you enter the project and come into the arrival.

1:06:31 – 1:07:08Speaker 14

We have a main amenity building. We've listed out all of the program elements in our application of those amenities. I can summarize it for you, but there's parking under the main building for the users. There's food and beverage provisions, lounge areas. A large part of the amenity set includes facilities that are common in communities such as the racquet sports facilities. We have tennis, padel,

1:07:09 – 1:07:34Speaker 14

well as pickleball. There are fitness facilities as well, which includes training areas and treatment areas, a spa for treatment, recreation areas for children, for play areas, and pools. Those are the primary elements. They are detailed in the application.

1:07:36 – 1:07:53Speaker 3

To look at the details, should we be looking at I saw in our packet, it was 79 of 01/1991, or it was Page 10 of the Project Standards Manual, it looks like, with the detailed breakout. Is that the document that we should be looking at for that? If we can get confirmation from either staff or the applicant.

1:07:56Speaker 5

The Project Standards Manual details the uses on the site plan.

1:08:04Speaker 3

Page Yes, 11, which is 79 of 191 for our packets, right?

1:08:13 – 1:08:40Speaker 5

Correct. So the approval of the Project Standards Manual approved all the items with inside this document. And then the uses are also included in the resolution as well. This is a further breakdown in the Project Standards Manual where it breaks down by building, but the resolution has it more of just a generalized square footage.

1:08:42Speaker 1

So to clarify that, the building they're speaking of is the 64,000 square foot amenity?

1:08:51 – 1:09:06Speaker 1

Okay. And then the rest of the footprint would be the 110,000 unenclosed amenity? That includes the ports, the restaurants? No, no. Actually, restaurants would be part of the Enclosed. Enclosed.

1:09:06Speaker 11

Garden, spa areas, some of the pools.

1:09:10Speaker 1

And so tell us a little bit more about the parking being under the building. How high is this building going to be? A little more detail on that, please.

1:09:18 – 1:10:03Speaker 14

Yeah. So looking at the master planning and the desire of one of our major goals was to maintain maximum open space in green area, including the preservation of the Polo Field. We wanted to find a solution for parking that didn't take up land area. So we conceptualized a lowest level would be parking. The other nice thing about having the parking at the lowest level, it actually creates a podium that elevates the main building where the food and beverage areas, the users of the food and beverage will be able to watch polo. And they'll be at an elevated length. So it serves a couple of benefits in that regard.

1:10:06Speaker 9

Do you recall how many spaces?

1:10:10Speaker 14

have it. One forty one and forty five.

1:10:14 – 1:10:25Speaker 3

And is that are they then is the parking area in that building, is it you said it was main level, is it then is that then covered on the top? So is it like over top

1:10:24 – 1:10:43Speaker 14

Exactly. Of it, so it's built? Yeah, the parking is covered. Okay. And it's quite an interesting design. Studio Ramos and Hart Howerton have been innovative in creating an arrival area that's within the parking area and then stairs and elevator that can take you up to the podium level.

1:10:43 – 1:11:22Speaker 11

You can see this. I mean, you can see the area right around here where my cursor is. That's the amenity building with the beautiful drive in and the building. You know, you may ask, are you gonna put grass on the roofs? That's a legitimate question. On this building, absolutely. It'll be up to each individual homeowner. But I think the designs that we've proposed, Studio Ramos is a major architect. I think hopefully we can convince them to, yeah, put grass on your roof, make this even more sustainable. You done that before?

1:11:22 – 1:11:47Speaker 14

Yeah, we have. In fact, the principles that we're working on with the Studio Ramos and Hart Howerton include low impact development elements that take into account absorbing of water, utilizing the plants to uptake nitrogens and filtrate the water before it goes back into the aquifer. So those are the principles.

1:11:47Speaker 11

And I just want to point out those green roofs are not included in the 60% open space. Just want you to know.

1:11:55 – 1:12:15Speaker 2

I'd like to hear a little bit from staff. I didn't hear anything in the presentation because here we're looking at two different approvals. Rezoning is one of them. I didn't see any standards referenced in our comp plan as to what we're looking for when we're determining whether a rezoning of the property is appropriate. Can you point to what our standards are?

1:12:25 – 1:12:55Speaker 5

The standards are listed in the staff report. We did detail some of the land use in like, the policies throughout some of the elements. It's more detailed in the staff report. Staff did go over some land use elements and some equestrian elements and master plan or mobility elements that it meets. It was an inclusive list in the PowerPoint to shorten the PowerPoint, but it was in the staff report.

1:12:55Speaker 2

:Are you able to pull up a comp plan objective from the land use element 3.1? :Sure.

1:13:20Speaker 5

The land use policy 3.1.1?

1:13:23 – 1:13:34Speaker 2

Yes. Can we pull that up on the screen? Yes, scroll up right there. Thank you.

1:13:34Speaker 16

This one? Okay.

1:13:35 – 1:14:00Speaker 2

Yes. So 3.1 here says land use changes shall consider changed circumstances or demonstration of need, environmental suitability, infrastructure capacity, and compatibility with surrounding land uses, economic development, and reinvestment opportunity. Is the applicant here claiming one of those factors necessitate a rezoning of the property?

1:14:01 – 1:14:32Speaker 7

Well, is a a rezoning is not a land use change. So a land use change would be changing it from residential to commercial, industrial. This is changing it from a a zoning of equestrian residential to a plan unit development that is still residential in nature. So the the change is just the plan unit development component, which is permitted by the EOZD 688 equestrian development section of the LDR, which is in compliance with the comp plan.

1:14:32 – 1:14:43Speaker 2

Well, would be changing the zoning. It would be changing from Equestrian Residential to PUD. And so that is a zoning change under the comp plan, correct?

1:14:47 – 1:15:15Speaker 7

No, it is not land use change is what will be considered under the comp plan. So it's not changing from resident it's still being maintained as residential. The land use is still residential. Residential b. That's not changed. The zoning is EOZD EOZD Equation Residential, and it will be EOZD plan unit development. But the land use remains the same as residential B.

1:15:15 – 1:15:30Speaker 2

Well, was some discussion in the justification statement as well as the staff report that talked about changed circumstances that necessitated the rezoning. Can you go into what that discussion was?

1:15:34Speaker 7

It was presented in the staff report.

1:15:36 – 1:16:01Speaker 5

Yeah, I think in the staff report, the change conditions was that Wellington is nearly built out. And in order to preserve the existing polo field and to offer and continue the sport of polo while also utilizing the development rights on the property, this was a very good option for them.

1:16:01 – 1:16:16Speaker 2

Okay. So the justification presented is that because we're near build out, and in order to preserve the Polo Field, we should have a rezoning of the property. Am I understanding that?

1:16:16Speaker 5

It is a change condition that occurred.

1:16:19Speaker 2

Okay. Right now, does the property have, as of right, the right to keep the polo field on the property?

1:16:30Speaker 10

Yes. Yes. Okay.

1:16:32 – 1:16:44Speaker 2

And do they have, as of right, the ability to enter into an agreement with NPC for the uses that they're describing today?

1:16:46Speaker 7

I would say yes. Okay.

1:16:49 – 1:17:00Speaker 2

So everything that the applicant has told us about the need to preserve the polo field, they can do that without any rezoning of the property sitting here today, right?

1:17:01Speaker 7

I can't speak for the applicant, but yes, it could be done.

1:17:04 – 1:17:20Speaker 2

Okay. So the changes that the applicant is seeking that are not as of right as of this moment pertain to the club and amenity parcel that does not include the polo field. Correct?

1:17:21 – 1:17:34Speaker 7

No. What they're requesting is a residential plan development. And as a part of that, they're including a club element, which is consistent with residential plan developments we have throughout the village.

1:17:34 – 1:17:51Speaker 2

As of right, with the current use rights of the property, can they have that club? No. And as of right with the current use rights of the property, can they have the size of lots that they're proposing, the 0.43 acres?

1:17:51Speaker 7

No. Which is why the Planning and Development is required to accomplish that.

1:17:56 – 1:18:14Speaker 2

Okay. So what we're really looking at is not as of right necessity changes in order to preserve a polo field. It's in order to reduce lot size and grant approvals for operation of a private club. Is that what we're really looking at here? That's not as of right?

1:18:17 – 1:18:36Speaker 7

I think it's they're proposing to preserve the Polo Field to in order to develop the rest of the property as they've presented, what they could do is still subdivide the property and eliminate the Polo Field as it stands today. That is what they could do by Wright.

1:18:36 – 1:19:01Speaker 2

And we saw the applicants as of Wright Plan where they had 40 lots presented, and each of those 40 lots was two acres in platted dimensions, correct? Correct. You know what assumptions the applicant used determined that only one and a half of each of those two acre lots would be usable? No.

1:19:04 – 1:19:16Speaker 7

I I think it's illustrated on the plan, what assumptions they put into it in terms of the roadway connections and access and the stormwater management retention areas.

1:19:16Speaker 2

In the village of Wellington, do we have other parcels in the EOZD that are two acres in dimensions?

1:19:26Speaker 7

have some that are smaller, yes.

1:19:28Speaker 2

And some that are smaller and that are in the EOZD? Yes. And they're operating as equestrian residential properties?

1:19:37 – 1:19:56Speaker 2

no one has sought any rezoning to reduce those sizes, correct? No. With the lot sizes that the applicant is proposing, the 0.43 acres, would they be able to have equestrian uses on those lots?

1:19:57 – 1:20:09Speaker 7

I think within the conditions they've put in that they would need to aggregate a few of the lots in order to on put equestrian uses on them.

1:20:09 – 1:20:21Speaker 2

If they aggregated them to one and a half acres minimum, then they could have equestrian uses, right? But if they kept them as proposed at 0.43 acres, then they would not be able to have equestrian uses on them, right?

1:20:22Speaker 7

We would not limit them, but I believe through the development itself, they would be limiting the use as equestrian.

1:20:29 – 1:20:43Speaker 2

And other than the lot size, if we put this property into the PUD that the applicant is seeking, what are some of the other standards of the EOZD that would be reduced or eliminated?

1:20:47 – 1:21:16Speaker 7

Well, generally the standards apply to the setbacks related to the size of the property. And so those would be adjusted, of course, accordingly based upon those lot sizes. I don't believe there's really any other standards that would need to be deviated from. All the others are use of equestrian properties related to trailers and

1:21:17Speaker 2

stalls and rings, etcetera. So in essence, of the equestrian uses would be eliminated from the 0.43 acre lots?

1:21:27Speaker 7

I don't know that I characterize it that way, but they wouldn't need any deviations from those standards.

1:21:34Speaker 2

And they wouldn't be able to comply with the lot dimension minimums right now that are part of this sub area of the EOZD, correct?

1:21:45Speaker 7

That is the intent of the Equestrian Development Plan unit development is smaller lots than what the sub area lot minimum is.

1:21:56 – 1:22:09Speaker 2

Do we have any other properties in the village of Wellington that were approved as PUD's under section six point eight point eight of our land development regulations?

1:22:10 – 1:22:27Speaker 7

Well, the code was only updated in 2021. So this is the first under that provision. The previous code referred to it as clustering. And there was one development at that time, which was early on. Yeah,

1:22:28 – 1:22:42Speaker 5

was it was actually it was the review process started with Palm Beach County and then incorporation happened, and then we took over the approval process. So it was in it was pending that incorporation.

1:22:43 – 1:23:08Speaker 3

Tatiana, you mind if I just hop in on a question on the so the for so this was the first this would be the first considered under the 6.8.8, the equestrian development standard that we have now, that has replaced the cluster, correct? And the other PUD's that we looked at, what about did Grand Prix, was that county? Was that done in county times for Grand Prix? Okay. All right.

1:23:09Speaker 1

Let me just dovetail off of that really quick. So I'd like to hear staff's interpretation of LDR six point eight point eight.

1:23:16Speaker 3

You just jumped me, man. Was like, I was going go back. No, was going to go back to Tatiana. I was going

1:23:20Speaker 10

to let Tatiana

1:23:21Speaker 3

finish her inquiries, but that was where I was going to go. No, go ahead.

1:23:25Speaker 1

I just didn't want to lose the thought because

1:23:27 – 1:23:53Speaker 1

important one thing you brought up. Specifically, I think it's subsection D. And if the language is as I recall it, it says something to the effect that the equestrian amenities shall serve as the internal Internal, focus of the yeah. So can you give us your definition of what you believe that actually means? And then why you believe why staff believes that this project meets that?

1:23:54Speaker 3

Wait. Can I go one level out before you get

1:23:56Speaker 8

to Absolutely? That

1:23:57 – 1:24:17Speaker 3

So one level out from that, I just wanted to hear, in terms of our thoughts on including the PUDs inside the EOZD, can you just give some background in terms of when that was thought out to the extent that you guys were here at that time? I'm just curious what we think the intent was for that, and then go into the comment related to D1.

1:24:20Speaker 7

Sorry. The intent of the clustering or

1:24:24 – 1:24:50Speaker 3

So I believe well, clustering was the precursor to this, correct? This didn't exist until we removed the clustering and replaced it with this. Is that right? Yes. Okay. So with the cluster allowance inside the EOZD, I'm just curious as to what the thought or need was for that to be in there in the first place, then when it was amended to go into the equestrian developments, just the ideas as to why we're thinking of PUDs inside the EOZD.

1:24:51Speaker 7

Well, our code grew out of Palm Beach Counties. So Palm Beach County had a clustering component that we

1:24:57Speaker 3

We just adopted.

1:24:58 – 1:25:11Speaker 7

The village adopted. Okay. It was incorporated into the EOZD language with the goal of preserving not only equestrian area but environmentally sensitive land as well.

1:25:11 – 1:25:24Speaker 3

Now, was that because did we include that just because it was in the non EOZD areas, that's why we included it in there? Do you think it was intentional for us to include it in EOZD areas as well?

1:25:24Speaker 7

Based on my read of some of the past comp plans, it was intentional.

1:25:28Speaker 3

Okay. We can go to D1 if you wanted to now. I just

1:25:37Speaker 1

you good? I need to make sure with your pauses that you're actually finished.

1:25:41Speaker 3

I'm sorry, I'm done.

1:25:42 – 1:26:05Speaker 1

Okay. All right. So Mr. Sillings, can you address that point for me? What is staff's interpretation of six eighty eight D? Specifically, how do you all interpret the meaning of equestrian amenities shall serve as the internal focus of development. What does that actually mean in staff's interpretation? And then why do you believe this project meets that standard?

1:26:08 – 1:26:46Speaker 7

MR. Well, when you read the full section, it refers to providing amenities that include such common features as stables, rings, paddocks, horse exercise areas, internal bridal trails, connections to external bridal trails, other equestrian amenities, public spaces and or preserve areas for environmentally sensitive lands. And so I think in this case, the polo field is a significant component of the development. I think Significant component, but is it the internal focus? Well, again, I was getting there.

1:26:46 – 1:27:46Speaker 7

Think, you know, interpretation of the word internal, I think, generally means that it's predominantly intended for the use by the residents, owners and guests of the development. That's the internal focus. In that it's not a public amenity, it's not a venue, And so those facilities are internal, an internal focus of the development. And so in this case, I think you have a unique circumstance with a polo field in that that is a facility that generally is difficult to be internalized just because you have typically the need for polo teams from all over the area to come and play and use it just as we have with our large polo estates, you know, and other parts of the equestrian preserve. And so I think that's the general interpretation.

1:27:46 – 1:28:02Speaker 1

All right. I appreciate your answer, but let me ask it a different way. Why is it staff's conclusion that the 174,000 square foot Country Club footprint is not the internal focus of this development application?

1:28:04 – 1:28:36Speaker 7

Well, again, I think the internal focus was who's using the facilities. And if you have stables and rings, you know, that's going to be internalized. Those you can basically say those are only usable by the residents, guests and owners. Yes, the common amenities, residential amenities are internal focus of the development as well because those are for the residents and now only members. It's not a public amenity.

1:28:37 – 1:29:15Speaker 7

I think what you see them providing is what you see throughout development of residential unit developments in this county and others is that residents are demanding more within their community. And so you're seeing, you know, gym facilities that, you know, rival some of the commercial gyms. You see pool facilities, you know, with the beach components, lagoons. You see all sorts of elements that are well above what some of the PUD's that were built in, you know, even as late as, 2010.

1:29:15 – 1:29:43Speaker 1

I think I think is telling about what you're saying though is everything you're talking about has nothing to do with an equestrian focus. And so I think what you're focusing on is the word internal. And the word I'm focusing on is focus. In other words, under this current application or plan, it is possible that somebody can come onto this property, hang out at the country club, work out in the gym, have something to eat and leave. And have absolutely no equestrian focus on their visit to that property whatsoever.

1:29:45 – 1:30:09Speaker 7

And I don't know that that's the intent of the equestrian development, is that everyone have an equestrian minded focus that steps onto the property. But again, that staff's professional interpretation of that section of the code. This is why it's not a unilateral decision by staff, and it comes in front of boards and the council to decide whether or not you agree with our perspective.

1:30:10Speaker 1

Do you have a response to that, Mr.

1:30:12 – 1:30:40Speaker 11

Chairman? I do. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, for allowing me to respond. Absolutely, polo is the internal focus. And you in your own example, somebody comes resident comes or an outside member comes to the facility, let's say on a Sunday or on a Friday, even Friday. And they go work out at the gym. Maybe they get a hamburger or something. And as they're getting a hamburger they look to their left and there's a polo match going on. And that is the internal focus.

1:30:40 – 1:31:20Speaker 11

These 40 homes. We're only talking about 40 homes. We're not talking about Lennar or Pulte or GL doing 400. We're talking about 40. And each one of those residents and their members and their guests have the opportunity to experience polo in a very unique way. So maybe they go on a Monday afternoon and they see polo horses running the field. That's an equestrian focus. That's an exposure to equestrian lifestyle that not everybody in the EOZD has. What if they go on, I'm sorry, Please,

1:31:20Speaker 1

please. I'm not can actually hear what you all are saying back there. I promise everyone's going get an opportunity to respond, but we need to be respectful of the process. Thank

1:31:28 – 1:32:13Speaker 11

you. Thank you so much. And I think the fact that we're bringing in U. S. We're bringing in a professional operator to manage the whole situation really makes it an equestrian focus. And Ed just told me that the whole theme of the clubhouse is polo. There will be so much polo you won't be able to get away from it. And I think that's the key, right? It's not that you always have to have an equestrian experience every time you go into that PUD. No. It has to be available. And the fact that we are making a polo accessible, which is one of the goals of USPA to the everyday person, is unique. And that is a unique equestrian focus that we're providing as part of this development.

1:32:14Speaker 2

Can I follow-up on that? The members of the club and the residents, are they going to be riding their horses and playing polo on that polo field?

1:32:25Speaker 11

Maybe. Not necessarily, but maybe.

1:32:28Speaker 2

So the polo activity that you're talking about with regard to the club members is primarily them watching polo, correct?

1:32:37 – 1:33:13Speaker 11

Maybe. Again, like there could be opportunities for members to interact with the horses. There could be opportunities for polo clinics produced and put on by USPA. There are endless opportunities for polo at this location. But without a field, there's none. And that's really the crux of it. The crux is whether you want to save the Isla Carroll Field in perpetuity and create a very unique equestrian focused development, or you don't.

1:33:13Speaker 3

Is there, there, I'm sorry Tod.

1:33:16Speaker 2

Sorry, at this point you can save the Carroll Field in perpetuity, because you have that as of right.

1:33:23 – 1:33:58Speaker 11

I so appreciate that comment, because it's not that simple. It's not that simple. Maintaining and preserving that field in perpetuity isn't just letting the grass grow or mowing it. There is a lot of work that goes into maintaining a polo field. And without the financial resources available to maintain that polo field in perpetuity, it won't be. And so I appreciate the fact that yes, we have the polo field today. But that doesn't mean it's being maintained today. And that doesn't mean it's going to be around in the future.

1:33:58 – 1:34:10Speaker 2

But we just heard from the USPA representative and everything you told us is that you have this wonderful license agreement. It hasn't been signed yet, but it's going to be signed. And it's going to provide for that maintenance. And we

1:34:10Speaker 16

don't have to worry about

1:34:11Speaker 2

that at all. But now you're telling us we should worry. No. And that's not going to happen?

1:34:15 – 1:34:30Speaker 11

That's not what I'm saying. As Bob told you very specifically, there are two ways to terminate that agreement. We don't get our entitlement, AKA the zoning, the agreement's off. That's what the agreement says. Am I correct? Yeah.

1:34:33Speaker 2

So it's based off of the applicant here getting everything that they're looking for in this application.

1:34:41 – 1:35:22Speaker 11

Let me say it a different way. Without the rezoning and without the master plan approval, we don't want to, but we will move forward with that as a right plan. And there won't be an Isla Carroll field. And there won't be synergy with USPA or NPC. And there won't be the economic generator of polo. And there won't be an equestrian focused community. The thing about this, because you all are focused on equestrian, equestrian lifestyle, equestrian focus. Those two acre lots don't guarantee it. This does. Having an international polo field in your community is an equestrian focus.

1:35:22 – 1:35:33Speaker 11

Your comp plan says it. Support equestrian competition is an element of equestrian lifestyle. And that's what we're doing here.

1:35:34 – 1:35:50Speaker 1

So can I ask a little I just want to flush out a little bit more clarity on the maintenance aspect? Because what I heard was, USPA will maintain the field to USPA standards. But maintenance is the ultimate responsibility of the owner. So can we talk about what that actually means in practicality?

1:35:51 – 1:36:02Speaker 11

Absolutely. So, you know, I'm a lawyer, you're a lawyer. We have to worry about what and you're a lawyer. We may have to worry about what happens in the future, right?

1:36:02 – 1:36:35Speaker 11

MR. So what happens if USPA finds an amazing venue in Calabasas, California and they terminate the deal? Or they stop performing? What happens to the field if we are proposing to protect it in perpetuity? So again, even if USPA doesn't do their job maintaining the field, the ultimate responsibility comes to the owner of that field, which is going to be DLC, Discovery Land Company, and McCourt Partners in that joint venture.

1:36:36 – 1:36:52Speaker 11

So at the end of the day, they're going to be the ones responsible. They're contracting with USPA to maintain the field and program the field. But at the end of the day, remember being transparent. They own the field. And if it's not being maintained, it's on them to do it.

1:36:52 – 1:37:18Speaker 1

Because that that part right there is not included in their obligations. In other words, they have to pay a dollar and play polo is what I heard is their obligations, So if they decide that it's becoming too costly to maintain this field, and it defaults back to you all, what you're saying to me is you're still gonna honor this agreement even though you now are taking on the financial responsibility of maintaining it because they're not doing it?

1:37:18Speaker 11

Yes. Because, Mr. Chair Does

1:37:20Speaker 1

not sound like a very good long term viable relationship.

1:37:23 – 1:37:47Speaker 11

Well, we don't expect the USPA to ever leave. But what if they do? Right? There's an eventuality that could happen. I will say, why does it matter that McCord and DLC are left holding the bag on maintenance of that field? They have the funds to do it. Right? They have the ability to do that. They have the ability to put in their business plan reserves to maintain that field should USPA ever leave.

1:37:47Speaker 1

Let just I'm sorry.

1:37:48 – 1:38:22Speaker 3

I was just going get one clarity on I'm finance guy, right? So in terms of the because there was the conversation about the reserves, just wanted to make sure I understood the agreement correctly. Is the applicant funding the because we know USPA is maintaining the field, and they're paying a dollar a year for the licensing agreement, and they're the maintenance provider. Is the applicant subsidizing the maintenance cost during the time of that licensing agreement, or is that on USPA solely?

1:38:23Speaker 11

JOSEPH I'm to have one of the two principals answer that question on

1:38:27Speaker 1

Yes. The record.

1:38:31 – 1:38:48Speaker 12

Our agreement contemplates a shared maintenance arrangement. And that's based on the number of times that we, being not USPA, use the polo field during a season. So for example, if there are 28 matches and we play 14 of them, that's more than we would ever do, we would pay 50% of the maintenance.

1:38:48 – 1:39:08Speaker 3

And is that for the full year maintenance cost, that you're basically just prorating it during the season? So even though the club would theoretically have use of the field, not for polo matches necessarily for the other portion, that overall entire year's maintenance costs would be based solely on the who uses it during what time in season?

1:39:09 – 1:39:27Speaker 12

It's based on the number of usage the usage, and then out of season, if we host our own event, we're responsible for restoring the field to its ordinary maintenance. So we would be responsible for a 100% of our own usage outside of the season. During the season, it's shared based on the number of matches that U. S. Polo hosts and we host.

1:39:28 – 1:39:47Speaker 3

I might be dense on this, too. I'm sorry, I apologize. I know that there is a lot of intensive work that goes I don't know enough about the agronomy of it, but I know there's a lot of intensive work to prepare a field prior to season. But how would it off season, I'm assuming it's year round,

1:39:47Speaker 12

Yeah, I'm going to defer to the polo expert. So

1:39:52 – 1:40:31Speaker 6

I don't claim to be an expert on polo field maintenance. Let me make that perfectly clear. The agreement contemplates that the annual maintenance cost will be shared in a pro rata basis based on the number of polo matches that are played during the season by the USPA and events hosted by McCourt Discovery. So the annual cost would be divided by that. In addition to that, if they host events, for example, a charity jumping event on the field in the off season with our approval, they would be responsible for paying us to restore that field.

1:40:31 – 1:40:55Speaker 6

We are going to provide maintenance on the field year round at our cost, and charge McCourt Discovery whatever the cost is to repair that field if they do an event that adversely affects the field for tournament play during the season. And we'll bill them for that. And we will bill them for the pro rata usage during the season if they have any.

1:40:55 – 1:41:16Speaker 3

Okay. Sorry, I got a couple more on this, I apologize. So just because again, I'm a finance guy, I think about is there any disincentive for you to have events there because of your pro rata, the increasing of your pro rata ownerships, your payment stake on the maintenance expense? Is is that of consider material consideration to you in terms of your thoughts?

1:41:16 – 1:41:42Speaker 6

That is not. We want the field because we want to add it to our normal rotation of the six fields that we have now. This would give us a seventh field to add to the normal rotation of polo fields during the season. The amount of polo that can be played on a field depends on the level of play. So the lower goal polo less wears the field less than the higher goal polo.

1:41:42 – 1:42:18Speaker 6

So you can play more lower goal games per week or per season than you can high goal games. We want this field for our full complement of polo that's offered during the season, which is high goal, medium goal, women's polo, kids polo, all of those events. We want to be able to use this field as one of our regular fields in rotation. And what is your average how much playtime does your average field in rotation currently get for the sixth? So we have an analysis, a matrix, a use matrix.

1:42:18 – 1:42:53Speaker 6

So a high goal game has more wear than a lower goal game, like I just said. But on average, we use the field about 1.3 times per week. Our agreement contemplates that we can schedule polo on this field as needed. So we can use it for rain outs, we can use it as part of the regular rotation, we can use it to schedule bracket play based on team availability and weather and whatnot. But we don't expect to use, and we're limited not to use it more than 1.5 times per week on average throughout the whole season.

1:42:53Speaker 3

And is that commensurate to your existing fields at NPC? That Is that is that's the average of what you use for the regular fields as well?

1:43:03Speaker 6

That is correct. That's how that was based.

1:43:06 – 1:43:30Speaker 3

Okay. And sorry, I've two more questions for you, I think, Bob, before you walk off. The second thing is, I know that polo fields are rented, you know, for play sometimes. Does the NPC currently rent any of its fields, or would this field be potentially in the rental pool? And if so, who would have the cash benefit from any rental income associated?

1:43:30 – 1:43:51Speaker 6

So we do rent our fields for USPA clubs that host tournaments. We just rented the fields for fall eight goal, and we rented the field for two twenty goal finals. If this field was rented under a USPA sanctioned event, the USPA would get the revenue from that.

1:43:51 – 1:44:10Speaker 3

Okay. And would the property owner be able to rent the field? You consent the USPA to allow the property owner to rent the field for polo outside of, you know, and benefit from that rental income if it wasn't a USDA hosted event?

1:44:10 – 1:44:21Speaker 6

You know, we haven't contemplated that. Okay. That's kind of speculative. But we intend to schedule and control the use of that field during the polo season.

1:44:21 – 1:44:48Speaker 3

Okay. And my last question for you is, I'm just curious, because I know that there is a club at MPC. You have a club there. Can you tell me how your consideration is in terms of having a club open next door at the other property site? How did that impact USPA's consideration to support this endeavor? And any other thoughts that you might have in terms of differences?

1:44:48 – 1:45:20Speaker 6

Yeah, we've had discussions with McCourt Discovery team about them promoting memberships at our club in addition to their club, so that their members could also come over and take advantage of our club and Sunday Polo. We view it as complementary, not competitive. That might change as we go forward. But we view that as a negative to our desire to use that field for competitive polo.

1:45:20Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks.

1:45:22Speaker 2

Have a follow-up on that for you. Many spectators do you anticipate for the bigger polo events?

1:45:30Speaker 6

How many spectators?

1:45:34 – 1:46:12Speaker 6

We think well, I don't know how many spectators we expect, because it depends on the tournament, it depends on the day of the week, it depends on which team is playing. But the area that's been provided on the east side of the field, roughly 600 feet by 90 feet, we've discussed with McCourt Discovery the development of terraced landscaping for seating, like it exists at the Valiente Field, so that we can maximize spectator viewing on the area that's allowed. So a minimum of 300, but quite possibly much more than that.

1:46:13Speaker 2

And where will those spectators park?

1:46:16Speaker 6

They'll park on the NPC parking area for the pavilion and walk across 35th Street and onto the field and into the spectator viewing area.

1:46:24Speaker 2

Is that part of your agreement that you're working out?

1:46:29Speaker 2

And I know you stated that the agreement hasn't been executed yet, correct?

1:46:34Speaker 6

That is correct.

1:46:36 – 1:47:01Speaker 6

Well, because we've still negotiated further terms as recent as today. And so we will present the final agreement to the board for review and approval. We presented a draft version of the agreement yesterday to the board. And they tabled the vote whether or not to approve it because there are still open terms that we're hammering out.

1:47:02Speaker 2

Are any of those open terms ones that you're telling us will be in the agreement today?

1:47:09Speaker 6

No. The terms that I told you were in agreement today are already agreed.

1:47:14Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you.

1:47:15Speaker 1

Just two follow ups. Just conservatively, how much does it cost to maintain a Apollo field?

1:47:20Speaker 6

Roughly $220,000 a year.

1:47:23 – 1:47:40Speaker 1

And so This year. You six fields now. Tell us, why do you need a seventh? Is it critical for your successful operation of MPC? Or is this just a want because it kind of adds to your portfolio and gives you more flexibility? Give us a sense of why you're so supportive of this.

1:47:40 – 1:48:10Speaker 6

So our mission is to grow polo. And our mission is to grow polo at MPC, and particularly because we bought that facility. So as the polo ecosystem continues to grow and more polo is played here, more fields are needed. The biggest risk to polo is development of polo fields. And if we have the opportunity to preserve a polo field, particularly adjacent to NPC, we think that's critical to our mission to promote and preserve polo.

1:48:10 – 1:48:52Speaker 6

Do we absolutely need a seventh field for this season? No, we got by with six fields last year. But as polo grows, we have 12 teams in the US Open this year. As we get more play, as we introduce more levels of polo into NPC, the need for more fields is driven up. Right? We're now doing youth polo there. We're doing women's polo. We're doing eight goal, 16 goal, and the high goal and gauntlet of polo. So the more polo that's played here, the more fields we need. And particularly if you're going to maintain them in the top condition as the best fields in the world.

1:48:53Speaker 1

Thank you. Any other questions for staff or the applicant? I've got one for staff. For the

1:49:05 – 1:49:23Speaker 9

plan they kept showing with the as of right plan, EOZD requires two acre minimum lots. And so if they does that two acres, is that before or after roads and lakes and everything else would also be required?

1:49:24 – 1:50:01Speaker 5

Under a straight subdivision plan, it would depend on how they wanted to subdivide the property. So if they wanted to create a lake track, then that would potentially come out of it. However, they would still be considered two acre lots with the buildable acreage slightly below that. They could put stormwater management on each individual lot. That would not require a separate lake tract, And that would also meet the requirement. So it just depends on how they want to subdivide it.

1:50:01Speaker 3

Loxahatchee, Ghost Polo. That's what

1:50:03 – 1:50:15Speaker 9

say. So we would approve, in theory, a site plan like that that did carve out the lots to smaller than the two acre. Well, wouldn't

1:50:15Speaker 3

need to approve it. Is that It's an administrative approval.

1:50:19 – 1:50:34Speaker 7

To clarify, the lots would be two acres, but they might still also include some of the infrastructure shared among the lots, is what Corey is saying. How they've presented it. That's one way of doing it. It's not the only way.

1:50:36 – 1:50:49Speaker 2

:So if each lot just stored their own storm water, had their own drainage, they could be two acres independent and not have to share any of the drainage responsibilities with any of the other lots, right?

1:50:49Speaker 7

:Potentially.

1:50:50Speaker 2

CHRISTIAN And do we have that in other parts of Wellington?

1:50:55 – 1:51:17Speaker 7

CHRISTIAN I mean, Rustic Ranches is essentially they're five acre lots, but the lots go to the center line of the roadway. And as well as the drainage throughout the community is easements on the lots themselves. Preserve as well? Yeah, Wellington Preserve is another one.

1:51:18Speaker 1

Any other questions?

1:51:19 – 1:51:35Speaker 8

I have a question about the traffic study that the staff did. Whenever you did the traffic study, did you take into did staff take into account the projects that are going on at Village Park, like the Boston project, the pool, and things of that nature whenever they were doing the traffic study?

1:51:35 – 1:51:47Speaker 7

Well, to clarify, we don't prepare traffic studies. Their consultants prepare them. We review what they prepare. But yes, they would have included all approved projects that were in the pipeline prior to their application.

1:51:48Speaker 8

Got it. Thank you.

1:51:50 – 1:52:35Speaker 2

One follow-up question. Can we pull up 6.8.8 again? Paragraph D3 talks about the deed restriction, and it has specific language about limiting it in perpetuity for the use of common equestrian amenities. And it lists specifically owners and residents or guests of owners within the equestrian development. But today we got a new version of Resolution twenty twenty five dash 67.

1:52:36 – 1:53:33Speaker 2

And in condition number 10, it seems to track the language of that, but also add something additional. And in particular, it says now in this proposed resolution that the restrictive covenant is gonna be in a form acceptable to the Wellington attorney shall be executed and recorded to limit in perpetuity the use of equestrian facilities to owners, residents, guests, members, and or licensees of owners within the PUD prior to the recording of the plat. So I see that the words licensees of owners are added here as part of the restrictive covenant, And that seems to go beyond what Section 6.8.8 says must be the limited uses and limited persons that can have use of the common equestrian amenities. You tell me why that language is in there?

1:53:33Speaker 5

The licensee would essentially be a guest of the property owner.

1:53:37Speaker 2

Then why are we putting that language in there? Because it already says

1:53:41Speaker 5

For clarification, just to make sure that it's all encompassing for this project.

1:53:48 – 1:54:02Speaker 2

But that's not what the LDR allows for. The LDR says guests. If your interpretation is that guests includes licensees, why are we doubling the language? You're going beyond what the code says.

1:54:03 – 1:54:39Speaker 7

We are, the condition is acknowledging the unique situation of it being a polo field. And as I said earlier, if these were strictly stables and riding rings and amenities that are, that can be narrowly limited to the owners and residents in the development, we would have. But as a polo field and with the arrangement with the USPA, we wanted to support that inclusion and that proposal.

1:54:40Speaker 2

So you're going broader than the language of D3 of 6.8.8.

1:54:44 – 1:54:58Speaker 7

Which is permissible as part of a plan development, and that's why it's explicit in the conditions of approval and not just something that is a code required, you know, presented as a code.

1:55:00 – 1:55:17Speaker 3

Just Mr. Chair and for the rest of the Board, I was just I was after we hear from Mr. Schiller in response to this, I was just wondering if it's almost nine and I was thinking maybe we could either I don't know if we want to break and then go to public comment or do public comment just so we don't inconvenience people and then we can come back to

1:55:17Speaker 1

our question. Was actually reading my mind because I was actually looking at nine as the goal here to kind of wrap up the questioning part of this. So are there any other questions? Well, I want

1:55:27Speaker 3

I think Mr. Schiller

1:55:28 – 1:55:39Speaker 11

wanted I have have a quick comment, Mr. Chair. Ms. Yakis, if you give us a couple of minutes during public comment we're going to confirm that maybe we can take licensees out of the conditions of approval. Okay?

1:55:40 – 1:56:01Speaker 1

I have one last question before we break then, unless there's any others. There's, I think it's nine, general condition nine which has to do with land dedications or monetary payments. I thought I heard $71,000 Where did that number come from? What is their they planning to make school

1:56:02Speaker 14

was their MR. Payout of the schools? Yeah.

1:56:04 – 1:56:17Speaker 1

So under condition nine here, what are we currently looking at? What is their proposal? Are they going to give back some kind of land? Or are they making a monetary payment? Has that been decided yet? And if so, what are you proposing?

1:56:18 – 1:56:43Speaker 7

So yes, that has not been decided. I don't believe they intend to dedicate any land. And so it will be the in lieu. And the condition lays out that it's either 50,000 per acre for market value, whichever is greater, based upon their requirement of Parks and Rec at just over 25,000 square feet and Civic at a little over 5,000 square feet.

1:56:44Speaker 1

So am I interpreting it correctly? Is it 71,000?

1:56:47Speaker 3

No. 71,000 was for schools payments.

1:56:50Speaker 1

different. So that's different. So we'll

1:56:53Speaker 11

make another non monetary contribution.

1:56:55Speaker 2

And just, sorry, one follow-up question.

1:56:58Speaker 2

will own all of the equestrian amenities in this proposed development?

1:57:05Speaker 11

The JV of what? Yeah, the JV ownership of DLC and McCourt Partners, the owners of the club.

1:57:14 – 1:57:38Speaker 3

To go against my prior comment about the wanting to go question. But I have a follow-up on Tatiana's. The plan to have the so there's two versions we've seen of the master plan, I think, with the bubbles. But the equestrian element and the club element would both be owned by the JV, Right? I'm assuming. So the only thing that would be separate from that would be the residential JAMES

1:57:38Speaker 11

Or the individual residential And lots. JAMES

1:57:39Speaker 2

we're not talking about a homeowners association here where the residents would have control over any of those facilities, correct?

1:57:49 – 1:58:10Speaker 11

JOSHUA There will be a homeowners association, because there are common areas that we're going to have to upkeep and maintain and security. As far as the relationship between the HOA and the club? It would probably be distinct, right? I think they're probably distinct right now. But Yes. They are. Separate. Ownership.

1:58:10Speaker 2

Separate. So the residents will not have any ownership interest in anything in the club amenity pod?

1:58:20Speaker 2

No. Members, but not owners.

1:58:25Speaker 11

Please repeat your question. I'm getting involved.

1:58:27Speaker 2

Will the residents in this proposed development have any ownership of the club amenity equestrian parcels?

1:58:37Speaker 11

No. Thank you.

1:58:40Speaker 1

Okay. So I'm going to entertain a motion to take a five minute break. So moved. Is there a second? Second. All in favor?

1:58:48Speaker 3

Aye. Hearing none opposed. And afterwards, we're going to public comment?

1:58:52 – 2:05:48Speaker 1

Yes. So let's try and get back by 09:05, everyone, please. And then we will open up well, assuming there's a motion, we will open up on the comment thereafter. Thank you. We could reconvene here.

2:05:48Speaker 1

It's now 09:05 p. M. And we want to stick to the schedule as best we can.

2:05:56Speaker 9

Can I make a motion to

2:05:57Speaker 1

open? Absolutely,

2:05:58Speaker 3

Mr. Ross. Second.

2:05:59 – 2:06:12Speaker 1

Well, wait. There's a motion It was to open public Okay. And the second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, we are now open for public comment. Do we have cards? We do have cards. Okay.

2:06:15Speaker 1

Yes. Do you wanna give the queue up person too? Yeah. Then

2:06:21Speaker 9

Nacho Figueres.

2:06:22Speaker 17

Nacho I believe. Yeah. He wrote something.

2:06:25Speaker 1

But Okay. Alright. Would you mind handing it?

2:06:30Speaker 1

And we'll read that into the record form.

2:06:32Speaker 15

I'll give it to you.

2:06:37 – 2:07:16Speaker 18

Evening, everyone. My name is Tim Gannon, and I'm a resident of Wellington at 3585 Aiken Court in South Fields overlooking a Polo Field. I have a 1.9 acre kind of farm. It's very difficult, just so you know, to have horses on a 1.9 acre. It's tight. Very, very tight. I think five acres is kind of a minimum. But anyway, I was I built the Outback Polo Farm, a 40 acre farm behind NPC. It's still perfectly the way it was twenty years ago. I knew John.

2:07:16 – 2:07:56Speaker 18

I encouraged him to build National Polo Center and to build the stadium. I'm member number one of his club. I was chairman of the Polo Club for three years and know all about the intricacies of running a club of three fifty members. So what they're planning to do, I think, is very not only feasible but beautiful. I think we have a unique opportunity here in Wellington to bring three great partners together: Frank McCourt, an equestrian, you know, totally devoted to Wellington and the life of Wellington.

2:07:56 – 2:08:18Speaker 18

The discovery group that I've gotten to know, both from Bakers Bay, Florence, Italy, and incredible work they do. I think we're bringing in the National Polo Center. All of these three people have what you need when somebody's going to do a development. They have longevity. They're going to stick around.

2:08:18 – 2:08:47Speaker 18

They're not going to leave a development high and dry. Discovery Group has done beautiful projects all around the world. And they know how to manage properties well. And that's key in parcel because this is going to be a club that needs to be well managed and well taken care of. The Polo Center has got, you know, a deep commitment into Polo and they have the the funds to take good care of this field.

2:08:47 – 2:09:27Speaker 18

And, you know, I watched the the Polo Club get built and the stadium get built and the whole evolution of that. And the equestrian life that you get from being a part of that club. They're gonna exceed, I think, the quality of what the Polo Club is today, primarily because the kitchens and the designs they have are up to date and very nice. So I think it's going to be a great addition as an adjacent club. And I think the National Polo Center sees it as additive and not and to bring more people into our area.

2:09:27 – 2:10:02Speaker 18

So I think this is a unique opportunity to bring three great minds together. And they all, you know, these are three people working for the same goal. They're all trying to preserve an equestrian life. So I think I would hate to pass up this opportunity and see this just go into a housing development of two acre lots. So I just I'm a big fan of this project. I think it's the perfect group to pull all this together, and I would hate to see us pass this up. So any questions or anything? MR.

2:10:02Speaker 1

Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

2:10:04Speaker 18

Thank you all.

2:10:05Speaker 9

Male Next is Jennifer.

2:10:15Speaker 1

And let's call in on deck.

2:10:17Speaker 9

On deck is Doctor. Lund.

2:10:20Speaker 19

I'm Jennifer Prelitz Santana. I live at 2865 Polo Island Drive in Wellington. I received some emails from friends that couldn't be here with us tonight.

2:10:30Speaker 3

Sorry, Jennifer. Do you mind just putting the mic in front of me? Thanks.

2:10:33 – 2:10:56Speaker 19

It's my height. Friends that couldn't be here this evening, but share the same passion for this project as I do. Chip McKenney, that's from Wellington as well. He's an avid polo player, as well as an event producer. He says the purpose of this email is to voice my full support of the Isla Carroll development project as a full time Wellington resident polo player and polo event producer.

2:10:56 – 2:11:23Speaker 19

I'm in favor of this project because it includes the preservation of Isla Carroll East Polo Field. Currently, Wellington is losing Polo Fields to construction at an alarming rate, and it is critical to preserve the Isla Carroll Field, which developers have agreed to do. It is my opinion that allowing this project to move forward ensures us that polo fields are open to sporting events in the future. Please vote yes. Then I have Rebecca Kriege, my neighbor on Polo Island.

2:11:23 – 2:11:59Speaker 19

As a fifteen year resident, I would like to express my support for the Isla Carroll development project. The equestrian roots and history of Wellington make this unique community, the only one of its kind in South Florida. Maintaining the open space, farms, and preservation of green space is not only in the interest of our equestrian residents but is good for Wellington residents. In particular, the Isla Carroll project presents a thoughtful, sustainable development model while preserving green space in a world class polo venue. In partnership with the USPA, this unique development will maintain in perpetuity one of the most iconic polo fields in Wellington.

2:11:59 – 2:12:32Speaker 19

In addition, having the outstanding caliber of Discovery Land Company on board manage the development and future aspects of the community is undoubtedly a win as well. Please consider that as an alternative to the proposal in the stark contrast with what can be accomplished through the Islet Carol project. Wellington needs to move thoughtfully and carefully a sustainable development that preserves our community's heritage and is best for our residents. Suzanne Porter, resident of Wellington. I was surprised that the EPC did not recommend passage of the discovery development next to NPC.

2:12:32 – 2:13:00Speaker 19

I truly hope that PZAB recommends the passage and, of course, hope the council gives a green light. It seems that clustering the homes and leaving some event green space for polo or other equestrian events is a nice idea. Two acre properties are not in high demand, too small for farms and too much for residences. The more popular structure is envisioned by the Discovery Land Company. Further, if someone did want a farm property, it is still possible to combine lots.

2:13:00 – 2:13:45Speaker 19

Discovery is a first class developer. I have been a member of their clubs in the past and a visitor to many, and I think the community should do anything it can to attract this caliber of partner. I understand the EPC wrestled with the words in perpetuity, which, of course, is what Discovery promises for the green space. I think that it would be an iron I'm sorry. I think that that can be ironclad and not reversed. I think the committee's fear arises out of the changes occurring in the equestrian preserve. However, that is different than the nonapplicable structure to this arrangement. I trust that the PZAB will know how to do this. I have one from Lisa Kukorian. I understand that Isla Carroll is partnering with the USPA to maintain the use of Isla Carroll Polo East Field during the U.

2:13:45 – 2:14:24Speaker 19

S. Open Polo season from January through April. This is great for polo. I also understand that the field will be maintained as equestrian open space in perpetuity. This is great for Wellington. I support the project. Missy Sullivan, who runs an insurance organization here, she also sent her email of support. She understands that the Isla Carroll project is partnering with the USDA to maintain the use of Isla Carroll East Polo Fields during the US polo season. This is great news for the polo community. I also understand that the field would be maintained as an equestrian open space in perpetuity, which is great for Wellington.

2:14:24 – 2:14:48Speaker 19

I am very familiar with Discovery Land Company and the high quality of its developments, which it continues to operate after the project is built. The Isle Cal project balances development and preservation and will retain the polo field, partnering with USPA. This is a win win for polo, equestrians, and equestrian lifestyle for all in Wellington. I support the project. I'm a resident as well, and I support this project. Thank you.

2:14:48 – 2:15:01Speaker 1

Thank you, Ms. Santana. And my apologies, I should have clarified this in the beginning. There's been a change to our protocol where, because the applicant presented both the comp plan and the master plan amendment, while a speaker would normally have three minutes, they now have six.

2:15:01Speaker 3

Oh, good. Okay.

2:15:04Speaker 15

Why didn't they have that at EPC?

2:15:07Speaker 1

I don't know if this change was made before or

2:15:09Speaker 3

I But could you get it now.

2:15:10Speaker 15

Was before, but

2:15:13Speaker 10

I think it just the

2:15:16Speaker 16

chair it just didn't

2:15:19Speaker 3

So are we we're set to six? Is that yes?

2:15:23Speaker 10

When it's a combined hearing, the new procedures provide that the public gets up to six minutes. That's why.

2:15:27Speaker 1

A good meeting. Not going to have to use all six, but you have

2:15:30Speaker 3

All right. Tom, you got it. Uh-oh. You're about

2:15:32Speaker 15

it. The former

2:15:34Speaker 10

mayor used to say, you're not required to

2:15:36Speaker 5

use Yeah. All your

2:15:39Speaker 9

after Doctor. Maureen, you're on deck.

2:15:42 – 2:16:17Speaker 15

Christy Lund, 11739 Acme Road. This meeting tonight is not about saving a polo field, although I give the applicant credit for using WLP's Save the Horse Show playbook and changing it to save the polo field. The January application would have gone through, this polo field wouldn't exist today, but they had to do something to mark it, and this is what they came up with. The meeting tonight is to determine if this application meets the definition of an equestrian cluster development, fulfills the aspirations of the comp plan, abides by the LDRs, and is an appropriate development in our truly iconic historic EOZD. I will show that it fails.

2:16:18 – 2:16:39Speaker 15

An equestrian development and they used to have a definition in the LDRs, they took out the definition is designed for people who own or ride horses featuring horse friendly amenities like stables and arenas and large lots for horses to live in. That's from Google, ChatGPT, and any person you talk to. It fails. There's no large lots here. There's no horses at all.

2:16:39 – 2:17:12Speaker 15

And staff mentioned this, it was incorrect. It says in their new master plan, it says right here, Equestrian uses and or structures, excluding bridal trails, shall not be permitted within the 40 single family lots. So they cannot combine lots. No horses. The president of the last president presidents of the last twenty six years for cluster development in the EOZD and in our comp plan and LDRs was to cluster the homes and preserve large open space.

2:17:13 – 2:17:35Speaker 15

Not to cluster homes and build a large members only commercial country club on the rest of the land. Com plan policy 1.1.1 states this: A, they must preserve large lots of equestrian farms. They don't. They must preserve equestrian lifestyles. At EPC, the applicant couldn't even define equestrian lifestyles, and staff wouldn't give me one.

2:17:35 – 2:18:20Speaker 15

And even though in January they went on and on and on about how their daughters live in their equestrian lifestyle and does horse vaulting, they don't give us a definition because they know that their definition doesn't meet this application doesn't meet the definition. They just admitted that their plan provides exposure to an equestrian lifestyle. The guy just said it. Not living it. Just because I watch a football game twice a week doesn't make me live a football lifestyle. Polospectania is not a lifestyle. Equestrian lifestyle is eating, living, sleeping, breathing horses all day long. And their plan doesn't meet that. I don't live a healthy lifestyle if I go to a gym once a week and watch people work out. C, permit limited commercial uses which support the equestrian industry.

2:18:21 – 2:18:55Speaker 15

The commercial country club has no tax stores, feed stores, or any stores involving a horse. It fails. The definition of an equestrian industry is if you take the horse out of it, there is no industry. It fails, and it's definitely not limited. The commercial stuff in this country club is eight times more than the 40 residents. You have 1,000 members versus 120 people that live there. So why is that so big? And staff states, oh, well, the residents want this new fancy stuff. That's a lot of fancy stuff for 40 residents. So I disagree with that.

2:18:56 – 2:19:34Speaker 15

Some would argue that they meet the standard of LDR 6.8.8. It wouldn't be hard to meet it, because it's so vaguely written. The January EPC meeting showed the unintentional consequences of this poorly written LDR, and it was acknowledged by EPC staff, legal, and PACB, so much that the EPC is working on a rewrite. I question, if they meet the LDR, then why was the final clause of Resolution twenty twenty five-sixty seven, why did they have to rewrite it? And when this LDR was written, there was no such things as country clubs in the PUD.

2:19:34 – 2:19:56Speaker 15

So the definition, when it was written, members should never have been included. That was added labor. Why are we rewriting our LDRs to meet the application? Why is the application not being rewritten to meet our LDRs? This development is totally inappropriate in our iconic EOZD, and does nothing to benefit the Wellington Horse community or any of the businesses in Wellington.

2:19:57 – 2:20:24Speaker 15

One and a half to two acre farms, which the applicant states are economically feasible, they do. One and a half to two acre lots with 40 homes would have families that go out into Wellington and spend money, and join clubs like NPC and support them. No, you don't have a guarantee that horse people are going to buy them, but their proposal has no horses, no horse people buying them. And one and a half to two acre lots would preserve 60 acres of open space. You saw their picture, you know how see how much green was on there?

2:20:25 – 2:21:08Speaker 15

But they're claiming that their little country club community preserves more open space. They preserve 10 acres. Three Wellington realtors I spoke with this week, equine Wellington realtors, have confirmed that one and a half to two acre lots not only are selling, quote, we are running out of land. There is no more land left, and I can sell these every single day. They will sell. Two acre lots could mean 300 to 400 horses, which support the horse show, local businesses like feed stores and grooms. Their polo ponies are already here. Not going to provide any more economics. They're already here. So, you know, those people are going to come in, use the country clubs, spend all their money there, make the suburban land richer, and does nothing for the equestrian community.

2:21:08 – 2:21:46Speaker 15

So why would we want that? And why are we selling off land around when we're supposed to support this big new horse show that we got, and now we're going to get rid of all the land around the horse show? Where are the horses going to go to support this new horse show that the council voted for? Your vote in favor is basically like taking this lane out of the EZOD. Yes, staff says you can convert it back, but it's really hard to convert back land that's already a country club. That is not going to happen. Jill Holmes already has 30 acres under contract. Two other proposals to try to buy more lands they're chomping at the bit, sorry for more land. If you approve this, say goodbye to Sub Area B. Thank you.

2:21:47Speaker 1

Well done, right at the

2:21:49Speaker 3

Thank you. Who's on up

2:21:51Speaker 1

deck? Sarah Goose? Sarah Goose.

2:22:04Speaker 9

Go ahead, Maureen.

2:22:04 – 2:22:42Speaker 16

Maureen Brennan, 1300481 Fountain View Boulevard. Thank you very much for your great questions for this applicant. I can breathe. I got six minutes. The bi right diagram, I heard it was described as, I don't know, was not good. I would suggest to get reworked, so it is good. There's plenty of land to use there to make very attractive two acre lots, four acre lots. It could be eight, ten, they could be any size. And I think Saddle Trail, if you're familiar I don't know if you all know Saddle Trail. It's like one of the most beautiful places in The United States.

2:22:42 – 2:23:25Speaker 16

Those are small two, four acre lots. So I think they could put their pen to paper again to make a better buy right situation. Okay. So I'm the polo person in the room. Tim left. I've played on that field, mostly because I'm a woman, and that's where we get stuck. Not because it's a historic best field in Wellington. That's where the kids went. That's where the women went. Because it was not the best field. Okay. So we played on that field for two open finals when it reigned in over the twenty five year history of almost thirty year history of that field. Historic is a new word. The only historic field I think was already knocked down for global. That was Palm Beach Polo 1.

2:23:25 – 2:24:02Speaker 16

So it's just a polo field that has a crown. You can make any polo field with a crown. It's your choice. In fact, it gets too dry. That's one of the problems. So it's great in the rain. I do admit it. But we have to, I think, redirect the narrative to it's a land of grass that could be a potential residential situation, because there is no protection. A deed restriction that has the ability to be changed is not perpetuity. A land grant would be perpetuity, which now even in Osceola County, they're going right through the conservation easement up there for a road.

2:24:03 – 2:24:29Speaker 16

So I could not hang anything on the fact that this word perpetuity is being sent around abused. We already learned that a four out of five vote is very possible by the council to take land out of the preserve. So that does not give me any comfort whatsoever. I want to know why the Polo Field wasn't a consideration when this first came up before you before. It's obviously not that important.

2:24:29 – 2:25:11Speaker 16

It's a Trojan horse. It's just a use for entitlement. I don't trust that after these entitlements are given that Polo Field stays because Discovery has a history of changing things throughout, as as we know, Hope Sound doesn't have Polo anymore, and that's their situation just up the road, and amongst a bunch of other things going on in other towns. So what we don't have is a guarantee for perpetuity, but we're being told that. We don't have an agreement with the USPA since that door has been opened. I'm a board member of the USPA. I'm one of the people that vote on this. And I can say with confidence that I'm not sure it's going to get passed. Okay? So that's how I feel.

2:25:11 – 2:25:44Speaker 16

You heard somebody else say what they thought. So that agreement does not exist. There's no deed. There's no parking arrangement I keep seeing reference to. Because stand alone, this wouldn't pass anything. If you took an aerial view, they don't have parking for this 300 plus, guess it's 1,000 when you do the count, it's 145 spots. They want to use our property for overflow. In addition, there's no horses. There's a green rectangle. There's no horses.

2:25:44 – 2:26:04Speaker 16

This is not an equestrian focused situation. A spectator, it's insulting to say if you spectate, you're an equestrian. That is silly. So we have no horses, no deed that I've had eyes on, no agreement, no parking agreement. We have talk.

2:26:06 – 2:26:33Speaker 16

And I would assume those are things that we see at this point in time for a group like yourselves. I'm glad that you brought up the oversized country club. It gives me great concern, because I can see what could happen. The neighboring land to the north could be unified, perhaps, that could fulfill having that great sized club. We did hear back about a year and a half ago about Pearson Road being a hard line for no development in the equestrian preserve.

2:26:33 – 2:26:58Speaker 16

I really wish I would be honored, and this to me is it's development. It's just being rephrased with things that really don't exist. Like I said, no horses, no agreement, no deed. 6.8.8. I've never had to ask a guest to sign a license agreement to come over to my house.

2:26:58 – 2:27:19Speaker 16

How can a guest also be a license agreement person? And also, I don't believe members belong on that either. So 6.8.8 is being adjusted before our eyes in lifetime here. That's an LDR that has to go through a process for any change. It cannot just be written into a condition, from what I understand.

2:27:19 – 2:27:47Speaker 16

Maybe I'm wrong. So to, I can't believe I used this time, but I would go back again. There's no horses, no guarantee, nothing historic, No agreement. You just have the will of a developer to develop in the Equestrian Preserve. Thank you.

2:27:49Speaker 3

Right. Thank you.

2:27:51Speaker 9

All right. Sarah. And then next up would be Phoebe.

2:27:55Speaker 10

Ms. Goose. Ms. Goose, did you take an oath? Did you take an oath? No. I did not see you raise your hand.

2:28:03Speaker 10

Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you.

2:28:13 – 2:28:46Speaker 13

Every time I hear Discovery speak, it seems like something has changed in the application. First, they were going to lease the Polo Field to NPC. Now it's going to be a license. I looked up the definition while I was here. A lease gives a tenant proprietary right to the space, while a license is a contractual right for the use which the property owner can revoke at will.

2:28:46 – 2:29:01Speaker 13

So there's no real agreement. If you can revoke a license at will, this has no teeth, no bite. It means nothing. Okay? So this polo field may or may not exist.

2:29:01 – 2:29:48Speaker 13

Unless this polo field is put in a third party conservation easement in real perpetuity, not till the owner of this field or the village or someone else decides it's developable now. It is not in perpetuity, and it is not going to be preserved. I don't even think it will be preserved in my lifetime, and I'm old, so which is not very long. I am really worried about this equestrian preserve. I do not think it's going to exist very longer for equestrians, for horses, for the equestrian lifestyle, for anything if we allow clubs with outside members to come into the preserve.

2:29:48 – 2:30:31Speaker 13

This is seriously changing what the meaning of the preserve was, what 8.66 was supposed to be. And I am really, really concerned. I'm a member of NP, National Polo Club. I love polo. I love watching polo. But as I'm seeing the club, I went to the match, the 20 that they leased out. I almost they said, it's open boxes. We have our own box. There was dog poop everywhere. There was popcorn that was not cleaned up from before. It was dirty. I was sticking. My feet were getting stuck in goo in the box. We moved to another box. It was the same.

2:30:31 – 2:30:51Speaker 13

Bathrooms are supposed to be completed at NPC around the pool area. They're not done. And a roof we have a box that has a roof. The roof is still not done. I'm concerned that they have the money to maintain this field if they don't have the money to maintain the club that they bought.

2:30:51 – 2:31:32Speaker 13

So that's a huge concern of mine. Who's really going to be maintaining this field? And I just feel like outside members do not belong at a club in the preserve. The preserve is for equestrians, and for the members who live in that club for equestrian use, not for people who come from West Palm Beach to use the tennis and the non equestrian facilities there the tennis, the restaurant, whatever other sports, the pool. This does not meet the criteria for development in the preserve.

2:31:32Speaker 13

And I really wish it would. And I think we're selling Wellington short if we allow this. Thank you.

2:31:39Speaker 1

Thank you. All right.

2:31:43Speaker 9

Phoebe, and the next up is Alexa.

2:31:47Speaker 5

Phoebe Wesley, 2522

2:31:49 – 2:32:20Speaker 20

Windsor Way Court. There's nothing I can add to what Sarah, Maureen, and Christie said other than I'm on the board of Equine Land Conservation Resource. And this deed restriction is not good enough. It will not preserve this land. As Maureen said, a supermajority is very easy to come by on the Wellington Council.

2:32:20 – 2:32:49Speaker 20

So my comment that no one else has made, which is why I'm making it, is there should be a third party enforcer for this deed that could be an organization like a land trust, a not for profit land trust, etcetera, that would ensure that this land is preserved and not simply banked for further development down the road by the developer? Thank you.

2:32:52Speaker 9

JULIEN Alexis Saline? She says, I support

2:33:02Speaker 5

JULIEN Oh, you can read it. You can read my handwriting. But I have to be sorry.

2:33:09Speaker 9

to speak it or do want me to read it?

2:33:10Speaker 4

No, you can read it. Really?

2:33:12Speaker 1

Okay. All right.

2:33:18 – 2:33:58Speaker 9

We need as much green space as we can get. That is why we live in Wellington. I moved here more than twenty five years ago for the horses and equestrian sports and the lifestyle, not for development. As long as, as a longtime resident, I am tired of fighting greedy developers and for once this is a plan that is sensible and considers the preservation of green space and equine disciplines. I hope that the village council will consider what the residents want are not irrelevant interests of others.

2:33:58 – 2:34:24Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you. And I have comments from Nacho Figueres. I support I've played many matches on Isla Carrol Eastfield. And I fully support the partnership between Isla Carrol and the USPA to preserve the field in perpetuity. Are there any other comments?

2:34:42 – 2:35:12Speaker 17

Hi. My name is Jessica Insulaco, but I'm reading a letter that I got from Avery Hogan, who's a local resident. Dear committee members, my name is Avery Hogan, and I appreciate the opportunity to share my perspective and support for the Isla Carroll Polo and Residences project ahead of the upcoming committee meeting. I'm a broker associate and have been active in the Wellington real estate market for the past fourteen years. As an avid equestrian, I specialize in horse farms, integrating my professional expertise with my lifelong involvement in the sport.

2:35:12 – 2:35:51Speaker 17

I'm deeply committed to Wellington, its residents, and its unique equestrian appeal and culture. And I have lived here year round for the past fifteen years. Beyond my real estate career, I'm a USDF gold, silver, and bronze medalist, a Grand Prix Dressage competitor in Wellington, and the holder of a German performance silver medal for Dressage. My equestrian foundation began in Pony Club, where I earned a B level rating. Growing up in Pony Club exposed me not only to Dressage, but also to eventing, cross country, and show jumping, giving me a comprehensive understanding of the needs, safety requirements, and functional demands of a wide range of equestrian disciplines.

2:35:51 – 2:36:37Speaker 17

This broad background has provided me with a considerable knowledge of farm design, land use, and the training environments required for multiple equestrian sports. Recently, I've been aware of the proposed Isla Carroll Polo and Residences project, and I've also learned what the developer could do without any public hearing or approvals. The permitted as of right plan will do little for Wellington. With years of training and competing at the Grand Prix level, I also have a deep understanding of the land, dimensions, layout needed to create a functional and effective equestrian property. While every parcel of land has value, under two acre properties present significant limitations, even for a hobby farm, and make it highly impractical for a top tier training facility or the type of facility that Wellington level riders require.

2:36:37 – 2:37:12Speaker 17

In our unique equestrian environment where horses and riders operate at the highest standard, it becomes challenging for a parcel of this size to fully meet the operational safety and training needs expected in Wellington. Additionally, while shared amenities can be useful in some communities, they generally do not align with the level of customization, privacy, specialized environments the professionals and serious equestrian enthusiasts depend upon here. As someone passionate about what is best for both Wellington and the future of equestrian sport, I'm writing in support of the project, especially because of the land being used by the U. S. Polo Association.

2:37:13 – 2:37:44Speaker 17

Providing the USPA with access to this field will support polo tournaments operating at the highest level, provide expanded opportunities for women's U. S. Open Polo tournaments, along with other important high goal and other men's matches to be held in Wellington rather than in Port Mayaka. It will help preserve Wellington's status as the global leader in the sport of polo, reinforcing the strength and prestige of our equestrian community. I'd also like to share that in my conversations within the polo world, I have heard genuine excitement and strong support for the opportunity to gain this field.

2:37:44 – 2:38:28Speaker 17

Many top level players and enthusiasts have expressed positive feedback about what this would mean for the sport's future in Wellington. Their enthusiasm reinforces the belief that this project aligns with what the polo community needs to continue thriving at the highest level. Furthermore, this project will enhance the broader equestrian ecosystem that defines Wellington's identity By supporting infrastructure that benefits multiple equestrian disciplines, dressage, polo, eventing, etcetera, we continue to foster a vibrant interconnected equestrian culture. Thoughtful land stewardship and strategic planning ensure that Wellington remains a place where all equestrian disciplines can flourish, preserving our community's distinct character for generations. Thank you for your time, your service, and your thoughtful consideration.

2:38:28 – 2:38:39Speaker 17

I trust that the committee will continue to be championing what is best for the equestrian preserve and for Wellington's future as the world's premier equestrian destination. Thank you, Avery Hogan. Thank you.

2:38:40Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

2:38:46Speaker 1

More public comment?

2:38:49Speaker 3

Make a motion to close public comment.

2:38:52 – 2:39:08Speaker 1

We're hearing the motion and second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, public comment has been closed. Okay. Any questions left for staff or the applicant before we go to vote?

2:39:08 – 2:39:36Speaker 5

Before we move forward, I wanted to just clarify something. So on your desk when you arrived, you updated version of the resolution. It had the updated version eleven nineteen twenty five. There was one section, one condition that was highlighted, which was condition 26. It turns out that this was resolution that was included in your packet was a little different than what is in front of you today.

2:39:36 – 2:40:15Speaker 5

And I just wanted to I highlighted it while I was sitting here to show you what was different. And most of the items here have been seen by EPC, and they were presented at EPC, and they were talked about tonight. So I just wanted to clarify that when you look at the updated version, there are more edits than just number 26. So the first one was in this number one, and this mentions that equestrian uses are permitted if there are unification of lots at least 1.5 acres. If it's in blue, it means that it was seen by EPC at their meeting.

2:40:15 – 2:40:33Speaker 5

It just wasn't included in your packet. But it was included in the updated version that you got today. To clarify, that was actually an error. When we upload stuff into the system that publishes these documents, we upload a Word document and a PDF, and the wrong one got printed. So our apologies.

2:40:34 – 2:41:11Speaker 5

And on this one, on page number nine, this includes I know you've heard the supermajority by Wellington Council for any of the modifications to restrictive covenants. That is new language that was added based from the EPC discussions, and that was voluntary based off of the applicant. Number 10, in blue, again, this was seen by EPC. It was changed from a deed restriction to a restrictive covenant. They added the language and or licensee of owners within the PUD.

2:41:12 – 2:42:00Speaker 5

And it also mentions restrictive covenants shall not prohibit the use of equestrian facilities for polo matches or activities authorized under a special use permit. Number 12, this has to do with paved parking and stabilized grass and monitoring when they'll need to pave it. Number twelve and thirteen were talked about at EPC, and these conditions were seen. 13 is the parking agreement with National Polo, which was also discussed. And then the last one, which was 26, which was the highlighted version, the highlighted condition that was provided to you, which is a parking mitigation and operational plan in case there is a need for additional parking in the future.

2:42:05 – 2:42:31Speaker 3

I just have a question, Kelly. This might be for the applicant, not for you, but based on what you just presented about the parking spaces. So as I understood, the parking for the club amenity would be on the Ground Level Floor. It talks about 145 spaces, which I thought was the totality for that. But then you mentioned the 32 spaces along the west border of the Polo Field. Is that in addition to the 145? Or is that that's in addition to? Okay. I just want to clarify.

2:42:37 – 2:42:50Speaker 4

Yeah, I have a question. Can you clarify how many total club members you're proposing? I heard 300, and then I heard 1,000.

2:42:50 – 2:43:05Speaker 11

No, not 1,000. Three twenty five, with 40 of the residents eating up those 40 of those three twenty five spaces. Two eighty five, is that the number? Minuteus three twenty five?

2:43:05Speaker 15

You're the final question.

2:43:06Speaker 3

How membership get calculated? Is that like a family membership? And so then you have multiple people that could theoretically use it under that? I'm just curious

2:43:15Speaker 11

I that's what I was believe that's correct. Okay.

2:43:17Speaker 2

will be the membership fees?

2:43:21Speaker 11

Come up. I don't think we've decided, but I'll let Ed.

2:43:25 – 2:43:41Speaker 14

EDWARD Final pricing hasn't been determined. But it's going to be we're working to assure that it's market competitive. And I believe that we roughly estimated that it could start in the range of $50,000 and, you know, could go up from there.

2:43:41Speaker 3

Is that annual dues, or is that the initiation fee?

2:43:44Speaker 14

Initiation. Okay.

2:43:46Speaker 2

What do you anticipate the annual dues to be?

2:43:52 – 2:44:03Speaker 14

We I really can't disclose that right now. I don't have those numbers. It be market competitive and designed to cover the cost of operating the club.

2:44:03Speaker 2

What is the price point that you anticipate selling residential lots for?

2:44:09 – 2:44:31Speaker 14

The residential lots, we're planning to compete with product ultimately that's within Wellington, such as at Palm Beach Polo. We'll be selling lots, and we'll also be building homes. So we are targeting having the complete lot and home package be competitive with some of the nicest homes within Palm Beach Polo.

2:44:31Speaker 2

So what would that price range be?

2:44:33Speaker 14

It's in the 5,000,000 to $7,000,000 range, depending on the size.

2:44:38Speaker 2

5,000,000 to $7,000,000

2:44:40Speaker 2

For a home on each individual residential lot?

2:44:42Speaker 1

Correct. Can you just can you

2:44:45 – 2:45:07Speaker 3

clarify, in terms of your structure for historically how you've operated the club developments? Do you serve as the is the is I believe there's a standard under which they have to build so you're going have like customizable models and that's and you're basically you engage the builder themselves or something as opposed to they don't, somebody doesn't engage their own architect to build their product, correct?

2:45:07 – 2:45:35Speaker 14

That's correct. We provide that service. There's actually two ways that a lot buyer can go about it. We can build a home from prototypes that are designed that can be customized and configured to the buyer's needs. And the buyer could also have his own architect and builder and build a home after buying the lot. Great. And to But there are design guidelines. Like I said, there's an underlying design guidelines that provides the criteria for how the home can be designed.

2:45:35 – 2:46:07Speaker 3

And can you just tell me about some of the other Discovery Land communities? I know that I'm familiar with Atlantic Fields, and so I know the scope of that is larger in terms of the unit count there. And obviously, it's golf focused. Can you just tell me about some of the other communities that you operate in terms of what the average kind of what your mix of unit sizes are? It just feels it feels I mean, to me, I was surprised you'd be interested in sort of a 40 unit project with the club contained to. Are most of your communities larger than that?

2:46:07 – 2:46:51Speaker 14

I'm just There's a wide continuum. It's actually quite a wide spread, and I'll give you some examples. But the 40 units is on the small side of that continuum. We have a project on the North Shore Of Kauai in Hawaii that has 73. We we have a project in La Quinta, California that has 195. We're designing another project in La Quinta of approximately 70 that's in an entitlement phase right now. We also have projects, we have a project on the Big Island Of Hawaii that has three ninety five. And we have our largest project is one in Montana on very large property that has in excess of 800.

2:46:51 – 2:47:03Speaker 3

Okay. And typically for the other communities that you operate, are the clubs restricted to the residents? Or are they outside members as well? Or is it a mix?

2:47:05 – 2:47:17Speaker 14

Yeah, we have many examples of where we have examples where the large population of the membership are residents, but we also have many examples where the members are not residents.

2:47:17 – 2:47:38Speaker 3

And this is just a question for you and for you or for staff. Is there any determination on the I mean, I don't think that club number of club members is anything that we think about in terms of our planning approvals. Is there anything that sort of caps how many members are the club or anything like not from our side, right? From the village side?

2:47:38Speaker 7

Well, it was part of their traffic analysis, so it is a limiting factor. So it

2:47:42 – 2:47:58Speaker 3

is a limiting. So they would so the but the only way we would test that, I would assume, is if there's like an objection that people think that there's like massive amounts of traffic and then that we would test. But there's no like business model there's no audit thing that we ask them for their club role or anything. Okay. All right.

2:47:59Speaker 4

I have a couple questions. Are you done? Is he done?

2:48:03Speaker 3

Yeah, go ahead.

2:48:04Speaker 4

Okay, sorry. During the break, did we resolve the licensee issue?

2:48:10 – 2:48:25Speaker 11

We did, not necessarily favorably, but it's important that we keep licensee in, I think, at this point to protect the USPA. We can have further discussions with counsel before we get to Village Council.

2:48:25 – 2:48:56Speaker 4

I just wanted to hear that, because you mentioned it. And then I have another question. So this issue about the term in perpetuity not really meaning that, and the concern that the supermajority would not really protect that land. Let me first ask this. Are you planning on banking the land for a certain term and then redeveloping?

2:48:57 – 2:49:10Speaker 11

No. No, Ms. Councilmember. We're not planning on doing that. In fact, there's no density left in the property in order to build on that equestrian open space.

2:49:10 – 2:49:27Speaker 4

Okay. And then do you I'm not sure I understand why the concern about the fact that they're not satisfied. Perpetuity really means perpetuity. So what else can you do to strengthen that so that they can really feel confident?

2:49:27 – 2:50:05Speaker 11

JOSHUA goal here, the term perpetuity is a term in the law that means forever, right? And we're aiming to preserve this in perpetuity by having a restrictive covenant, which turns into a deed restriction so that everybody has knowledge of the restrictive covenant. And that will be in perpetuity. Every restrictive covenant can be amended, right, by whoever the covenant endures to the benefit of. In this case, it would be village council.

2:50:06 – 2:50:27Speaker 11

So they would have the ability you guys are lawyers, know this a restrictive covenant has the ability to be amended. We have proposed instead of making it a simple majority, a super majority because we thought that that was an even higher bar. And in fact, it is. Yes. Has your village council voted four out of five on controversial items?

2:50:27 – 2:50:56Speaker 11

Yes. Are they going to do that here? I hope not. And by the way, we won't know. Because we have included in our license, we have included we have included in our license agreement I'm so sorry for that that with the USPA that we will never seek to amend the restrictive covenant deed restriction under the agreement with the USPA.

2:50:56 – 2:51:29Speaker 11

So right now it's forty five years if it gets approved. And then after that forty five years they, with mutual consent, would extend that agreement every ten years. So it truly is meant to be forever. Longer than all of us, hopefully, will see it. But I think that is, that's our goal. We're proffering this. It's part of the code. It says perpetuity in the code. And that's all we're really trying to follow here.

2:51:29Speaker 4

Have you ever had to do anything like this in any of your other development proper, you know, to obtain the agreements and, you know, make the Yes. Development

2:51:42 – 2:52:10Speaker 3

Lori, just a quick question on the, because I know Kelly mentioned in her presentation about the it was originally referenced as a deed restriction, and then it was the language was just changed to the restrictive covenant. From my understanding, from what we've ever seen up here discussed, that the deed restriction is only the only way that I've seen the deed restriction actually happen is by having a restrictive covenant that gets recorded with a deed. Is that correct? Is there any other way to do that besides that? I mean

2:52:10Speaker 10

There may be, but that's the way that typically see it.

2:52:15Speaker 10

So I think that that would satisfy the requirement.

2:52:19 – 2:52:57Speaker 11

If I may, I recognize that this is an issue. If the board has ideas about how to further protect this in perpetuity it's a real word we're happy we're open to that idea. I mean this is not the end of the station end of the train, excuse me. We have proposed to EPC and we'll propose it here again that we will not go before village council until we have a signed and executed agreement with the USPA. That provides an additional guardrail to this perpetuity issue.

2:52:57 – 2:53:20Speaker 11

If you have another idea as how we can strengthen the deed restriction and restrictive covenant even more, we are more than open to hearing that and working that through the process and hopefully adopting that. But this is how we thought we could best, again, protect this field and preserve this field in perpetuity.

2:53:20Speaker 4

:Lori, what other methods?

2:53:23 – 2:53:36Speaker 10

:I would have to give that some thought, you know. Maybe a conservation conservation easement of some sort. But I would have to give it some thought and do a little bit of research and see what the best mechanism would be. How

2:53:37Speaker 4

do you feel about I mean, are you satisfied with that arrangement as they?

2:53:45 – 2:54:27Speaker 10

Well, I've reviewed the restrictive covenant. It's not finalized because we're still making comments. But you know, I don't know what their lease provides. But the restrictive covenant would, you know, essentially not permit development without, as he said, you know, an amendment that's approved by a supermajority vote of counsel. So if there is some mechanism for making that stronger, then that's something that I can research between now and when it comes before village council, and make that recommendation to council.

2:54:30Speaker 3

ahead. Michael, you were to say something?

2:54:32Speaker 1

That's okay. Go ahead.

2:54:33 – 2:55:05Speaker 3

I was just going to ask, just for confirmation, I didn't see anything conceptual site plan. But there is no stabling on-site. There's no proposed stabling on-site, correct? No proposed stabling. Okay. Under the circumstances where this is this could be might be for staff, too. But we said that if somebody does aggregate sufficient land to where they have 1.5 acres, they could have equestrian uses on-site. What would the restrictions be around stable sizes on a site that size?

2:55:09 – 2:55:35Speaker 5

We do have a typical square footage limitation that if you're under five acres, it's twelve fifty square feet per acre for the size of your stable or your barn. If you're over five acres, then it defaults back to your overall building coverage. So that's something that they have to take into consideration.

2:55:35Speaker 7

And they could ultimately do an ag exemption and have no limitations.

2:55:42 – 2:55:55Speaker 3

And what would be just because that creates other process in terms of like manure and removal and things, how that process be exceptionally complicated for

2:55:56Speaker 7

They would have to meet our best management practices for livestock waste management.

2:56:00Speaker 3

No, it had to be on-site, right? It couldn't be shared. It would have to be on-site to the property owner, for the end user owner.

2:56:08Speaker 7

Yes, don't think anyone's going to want

2:56:09Speaker 7

their manoeuvre.

2:56:10Speaker 3

I would assume not

2:56:14 – 2:56:43Speaker 8

was wondering that same question, but whenever a gentleman spoke before, he said that you guys have, like, planned designs for homes and things of that nature. So does your plans, does that limit or disqualify the ability to build a stable on those residential plots? Or is that a who gets the authority of saying that, you know, I buy two lots and I want to build a stable? Is it the HOA or is it the state the city?

2:56:43Speaker 11

So I can definitely answer that with the with the graphic, if if I may, mister chair.

2:56:50 – 2:57:33Speaker 11

brief. Very quick. Very I'm going to answer the question. There are lots there are four lots we have identified eight lots, excuse me, that we've identified that would be prime for amalgamating and creating an additional equestrian use on it. It's these for '27 or sorry, '37 through '40, and the ones directly east I'm sorry, west of that, 33 through 36. We felt that those are larger lots that can be combined. And additionally, they are close enough to the main entry where you could have some sort of manure service and all of those services needed to service those larger lots.

2:57:33Speaker 2

A follow-up on that, please.

2:57:36Speaker 2

Have you done any market studies to determine the feasibility of selling two acre equestrian residential lots?

2:57:44Speaker 11

Let me ask the team.

2:57:51 – 2:58:17Speaker 12

haven't done an official feasibility study, but we're real estate developers. We do land development all over the country. We're in touch with some of the top brokers in Wellington, and we have a very good feel on the price points for all the different product types in Wellington. So, you know, we felt that we didn't need to have a third party feasibility study done for two acre lots.

2:58:17 – 2:58:30Speaker 2

But when you're talking about price point, you're talking about how much different types of properties can sell for, not necessarily whether a certain type of property will sell, right?

2:58:31Speaker 12

We're talking about both, I think.

2:58:35Speaker 2

Yes. So you haven't looked at particularly

2:58:38 – 2:59:02Speaker 12

No, we constantly monitor the market. We know where product is trading at, and we monitor the research reports. We know that development takes a long time to plan, and so you're not necessarily planning for the conditions that exist today. You're planning for the conditions that will exist in the future when you take into account where we are in the economic cycle. And so, you know, we consider that as well.

2:59:02Speaker 2

And in your planning, did you determine that these smaller residential lots would sell for a higher price point than two acre farm lots?

2:59:12 – 2:59:28Speaker 12

I think they're apples and oranges because with this PUD we're engaging a different type of buyer who's a discovery loyalist. And I think the product type that they're looking for and what we're offering would fundamentally be different from an as of right plan.

2:59:29Speaker 2

So you're targeting a higher price point. Is that right?

2:59:32Speaker 12

I would say likely yes, given the amenity offering that we have.

2:59:37Speaker 2

Okay. So you'd make more money with this development than selling two acre lots. Is that the endpoint?

2:59:44 – 3:00:06Speaker 12

Also costs a lot more to build this. So net net, on a profit basis, that's not necessarily true. We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars to build this club and invest in this infrastructure. That's not something we would have to do with an Azerite plan. We're doing this because we think this is the better plan that furthers the goals of the competition of industry of Wellington, and that's why we're proceeding with this plan, hopefully, if it gets approved.

3:00:06Speaker 2

And you'd get to operate a private club where you would get dues every year from each of the three

3:00:12 – 3:00:23Speaker 12

twenty The five members. Private club dues are sustaining the operation of the club. That's what allows for the preservation of Islay Carol East, is by implementing that type of structure.

3:00:23Speaker 2

Is the club a for profit entity?

3:00:25Speaker 12

The club basically covers the cost.

3:00:28Speaker 2

Is it a for profit entity?

3:00:33Speaker 2

It'll be a nonprofit entity?

3:00:35Speaker 12

Yeah, that's right. That's how most country clubs run.

3:00:38Speaker 2

And what are you going to do with the initiation fees, $50,000 initiation fees?

3:00:43 – 3:01:08Speaker 12

The initiation fees are similar to selling residential lots. We have to create additional revenue streams to allow to build this infrastructure. So, you know, if you're organizing the lot, the this plan in such a way to preserve a a polo field and create more infrastructure that costs hundreds of millions of dollars, you have to be able to offer outside memberships in order to provide for that. Thank you. I

3:01:10 – 3:01:59Speaker 3

could we pull up 6.8.8 again? I'm sorry, Kelly, for making you toggle back again. I was the part that I have a little bit of a that I'm struggling with a little bit here is that the so we have the comment that we were talking about before, where I think I might be a little bit more focused on what Tim was saying, but I do understand what Michael was saying, too, about the internal focus. The common equestrian amenity shall serve as the internal focus of the development. It feels to me like the reason for people coming into the at least coming through the gates, right, would be to either go to their club or go to the house, and then the people that are walking across the street from NBC would be using the field.

3:01:59 – 3:02:49Speaker 3

And I appreciate the conservation of that field, but I'm just I'm curious, because we haven't approved something under this section before, right? Is that how do we do we think that the internal focus of that the equestrian amenity shall serve as the internal focus of the development? I'm just curious as to I mean, it seems to me like the internal the reason for somebody actually coming into the development would be for non equestrian purposes if they're going through the gates of the development. Does that did stat when you were considering the various states that reasons for support, was that wrestled with at all, or was that considered? I'm just curious about how you broke came to the conclusion that it was conformed under that standard.

3:02:51 – 3:03:25Speaker 7

Well, again, the code provision is that it's an integral focus of the development and includes various features. In this case, it includes open space and the polo field. Nothing within that suggests use, suggests that it would be an activity continuing upon residency within the development. It is that. It is an internal focus of the development as an amenity.

3:03:25 – 3:03:37Speaker 7

How it's used is really dependent upon the development. In this case, it's a polo field. That's the arrangement with the USPA to ensure it is actually used as a polo field.

3:03:37 – 3:03:51Speaker 3

Which I mean, I do. I appreciate the upside of that. I agree that the threat to polo is land. And we've seen as hunters and jumpers have come in and been able to operate in smaller footprints, we've seen polo fields go away. So I do, I appreciate that.

3:03:51 – 3:04:27Speaker 3

I just, I'm struggling a little bit with that. If we think about internal focus, because even the club amenity side, it's really it's not fully resident serving. And I appreciate the fact that they can't really they couldn't make that business model work with providing the same level of service because there's only 40 residential units. But it seems like the 40 of the three twenty five club members are only going to be inside the gates full time. And then the people that are coming to play on the field are going to be coming from outside.

3:04:28Speaker 3

And that just seems like a little bit of a struggle relative to what this is suggesting, unless we have a difference of opinion in terms of the suggestion of that.

3:04:38 – 3:04:59Speaker 1

So, okay. Here's what I believe to be the strength of the LDR and the EOZD. And people have differing opinions on this. I think the strength of it is that it's subject to interpretation, subjective interpretation. There's never going be an objective measure that's going to define a lot of these things, which is why I asked my question, what is your definition of it?

3:04:59 – 3:05:25Speaker 1

What is your definition of it? What's yours and what's mine? Right? And so the way this process is designed to go is that eventually it's going to get to the council and they are going to make an interpretation of what they believe these words mean based upon the testimony that they hear and the public comment and all of the advisory boards beforehand. If you're asking for my personal opinion, I do not think that this meets the spirit of LDR688D.

3:05:25 – 3:05:56Speaker 1

Because I don't think that the internal focus is equestrian in nature. I mean, think about what we've talked about today. There's been so much focus on the restrictive covenant of the field and how are we going to protect that and how are we going to put teeth into it. That is exactly what they want us to focus on. Because it puts the focus on the field and not what we are actually here for, which is that they want to build a 174,000 square foot country club on 120th Avenue in the EOZD.

3:05:57 – 3:06:37Speaker 1

And so I look at it and I say to myself, this is a close call because I have this impression but perhaps my colleagues on this board don't. And more importantly, perhaps the council is going to disagree. But then I kind of look at other intrinsic factors, right? Which is you know, what is the need here? What is the community benefit? Okay, it potentially protects this property. Best case scenario protects it in perpetuity. This particular field. But it's not protecting the sport, You know and I'm sorry but I have to do a compare and contrast. When we voted on WLP, I personally believed that that vote was necessary to protect the sport.

3:06:38 – 3:07:20Speaker 1

Dressage in my opinion was leaving if we did not make the right call on that. I have not heard anything tonight and I even specifically asked the representative from USPA whether or not they absolutely needed this field in order to effectively operate their business. And my impression of what he said was, no, it's a want, it's not a need. And so absent somebody from USDA coming and saying we need this field, it's crucial to the business operation, I think a critical component is missing here versus what the council has done in the past when we talk about the S4A to five thing. You have to think about the standards of what had been established in Wellington.

3:07:21 – 3:07:44Speaker 1

WLP gave 55 acres of land to the community. There hasn't even been any discussion about what that could potentially be here. So I think that's grossly lacking. WLP convinced me of a synergistic relationship whereas both needed to be successful in order to survive. Here I actually see the opposite.

3:07:44 – 3:08:17Speaker 1

I have real concerns about this relationship. We heard from somebody who's on the board who says they may not actually vote in favor of the contract. Then I look at it and I say to myself, I don't get the statement that was made that there's a club across the street at MPC right now and then potentially a competitor right across the street. They are going to be competing for the same members, yet they're going to also exercise in harmony together over the maintenance of the field. The maintenance of the field that is going to take away members potentially from their country club.

3:08:17 – 3:08:47Speaker 1

So I see that just inherently having problems. So to me this is a better application than the one we saw before. And I have nothing but respect for your company. I think you guys absolutely put off a first class operation, first class product. I just think you're trying to cram something into a property that really doesn't work.

3:08:48 – 3:09:20Speaker 1

And so I'm not going to support it, Mr. Schiller, and I know that's probably a different impression than when you and I first talked. When I first looked at this, I thought, this is great. Country club, polo field, we're going to save Isle Of Caron. But when I've looked at it from a 50,000 feet, I say to myself, there's just too many problems here and not a compelling enough argument to convince me that this is equestrian in nature. It just seems to me like it's a country club with a polo theme. MR. Can I respond? MR. Absolutely.

3:09:20 – 3:10:02Speaker 11

MR. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. So I hear what you're saying. I do. But when we look at the code, which is what we do as lawyers and what we do when we're before you, because we're talking about the code criteria, We provided competent substantial evidence that we meet and exceed all the different criteria in their code for a rezoning for a master plan. Your staff has also agreed that our application meets or exceeds that criteria in the code. As far as the relationship between USPA or let's not even talk about that right now. Let's talk about the internal focus. Because that's clearly what some of you seem to be struggling with.

3:10:02 – 3:10:43Speaker 11

The internal focus in our development is polo. It's a natural. It's not a yes, did we come to it in our second pass? A 100% we did. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think we heard what everybody had to say and we chose the most synergistic, rational, reasonable equestrian focus to have on this property, which is Polo. Because we're right next to the Polo Center, which is a unique situation in and of itself. Yes. Did USPA say they don't have to have this field or if they don't get this field they're leaving? No, he didn't say that.

3:10:44 – 3:11:09Speaker 11

But that exigent circumstance of WLP potentially leaving isn't in the code. Not at all. The internal the code doesn't talk about what is or what isn't an equestrian focus. To your point, it's up to your interpretation and your interpretation and your interpretation. Not up to me.

3:11:09 – 3:11:36Speaker 11

We've submitted what we think is the equestrian focus of this development. And we strongly stand by that. And I will also say this. You were concerned about dressage, hunter jumper, one of those equestrian sports leaving if you didn't approve WLP. I'm sorry that the Isla Carroll Field doesn't raise to that standard for you.

3:11:36 – 3:12:18Speaker 11

But it is an important field in the city. As much as the opponents want to say that it's just a regular field and it's dry, all of our research, everybody we've talked to, USPA says otherwise. And the fact that we're saving this field in perpetuity and making it as strong as possible so that it does get enjoyed into the future is a part of the internal equestrian focus. Having polo being played in a community every week or every 1.7 with ancillary activities too. You know, we talked USPA talked about hosting children's programs.

3:12:20 – 3:12:51Speaker 11

Ms. Yakis asked about whether residents would be able to play on the field. During the break we discussed that issue, because I wanted to know. Yes, they can play on the field with a polo horse, in a team, maybe in a charity match. Maybe their kids will get to experience polo on a personal level and not just from spectating. But the equestrian focus is exposing not just the residents who want to live there, who are clearly avid polo players.

3:12:51Speaker 1

you another minute, Mr. Silva.

3:12:52Speaker 10

Okay, you. I'm assuming this is your closing.

3:12:54Speaker 11

Yeah. Oh, you want me to be? Yeah. All right. So let me do that. So with that being said Can

3:12:58Speaker 3

we have additional questions after his closing? He can make his closing, then we can still have conversations, correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you.

3:13:06 – 3:13:28Speaker 11

Okay. My close, I just want to say a few things. Residents will have governance over the club, like an HOA. It's not an HOA, but like an HOA, just like every other club that Discovery Land produces. We're not taking property out of the EOZD at all.

3:13:28 – 3:14:05Speaker 11

That's not even on the table here. Perpetuity. If it pleases the board we would proffer to increase the four out of five votes on village council to five out of five votes. Or 100 in order to try to figure out one way, another way to strengthen that restrictive covenant. Membership, three twenty five members. We will agree as a condition of approval that that will be the most members in the club. There's no bait and switch.

3:14:05Speaker 4

Including the 40 residents?

3:14:07 – 3:14:30Speaker 11

It's including the 40 residents, correct. So it would be two eighty five outside people. As far as the competition between NPC and this club, again you've heard it not only from us, the applicant and the professionals, but you heard it from the owner of the other club that they don't see this as competition at all. They see it as complementary. And all of this is on the record.

3:14:30 – 3:15:08Speaker 11

And there's really been no evidence presented here today that disagrees with that, that contradicts all of that. Again, we will allow combining those four lots on each side of the polo field if that is what a buyer wants to do. So we've given that optionality to the public. I just think at the end of the day, when we're talking about granted this is the first time you would be approving a development under these guidelines is the juice worth the squeeze? We think it is.

3:15:09 – 3:15:41Speaker 11

Because the as of right plan, I don't care how big the lots are, doesn't guarantee this equestrian focus that you're asking for us and that we're providing. And I think that's really the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue is, is this plan better than the as of right plan? Because if we don't get approved on this plan, we're left to the as of right plan. We're left to just filing an application with staff.

3:15:42 – 3:16:27Speaker 11

That's not something we want to do. We don't think it benefits the village whatsoever, or the EOZD. But if we have to do that, we will do that. Not a threat. You know me well enough to know I don't make threats. But I'm just telling you the harsh reality of the situation that we're in. We've come back. This is our second time back. We've listened to everybody. Everything that everybody has to say, we're still listening. We just proffered a five out of five for the amending the restrictive covenant conservation easement or deed restriction, restrictive covenant. It's late and I'm ill. With that, I mean, I'll be happy to answer any questions. I think we're here with we're fully transparent. We're not hiding the ball at anything.

3:16:28Speaker 11

So we're happy to answer. Our whole team is here and happy to answer any questions.

3:16:32Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

3:16:33 – 3:17:12Speaker 3

So I'm a little slower than Mr. Drehaus in terms of my conclusion rounding out. I still have a couple more input questions. So the in the staff report, one of the items around the equestrian elements for EQ 1.1.1, Under there, it says the intent of the EOZD is to preserve the equestrian lifestyles and large lot equestrian farms that exist in the EOZD. I know we've had some there have been commentary back and forth about lot sizes and things like that, needing to have lot sizes to be able to stable horses on-site and things.

3:17:13 – 3:17:46Speaker 3

How do we get it seems like the staff position on that is that they're going to have there's the 40 units and then there's a 3.32 acre equestrian centric sports club around the Polo field. It says residents can board horses, take lessons and utilize a sports complex, which I don't know if they can board horses based on that, but that's okay. I was just how do we get over that position under the goals under EQ1.1, the first one?

3:17:47 – 3:18:29Speaker 7

Well, EQ 1.1.1, if you read it, is really about the implementation of the EOZD and the intent of the EOZD. And with 6.8.8 is within the EOZD. So it achieves this policy because the next while not focusing on large lots, it is focusing on the Equestrian Lifestyle. It also is it's maintaining the second item in one point one point one, which is while maintaining the overall residential density of the EPA, you're establishing site development regulations. And so with this development, they are still maintaining their overall density.

3:18:29Speaker 7

What they're changing is the configuration of that how that is laid out on the site. And

3:18:40 – 3:18:54Speaker 3

what do we I guess I'm no, I think I lost my train of thought, actually. I'll conclude with that for now. Thanks.

3:18:54 – 3:19:24Speaker 2

Can I follow-up on that element? In policy EQ 1.1.1, there's also a third paragraph that talks about limiting commercial uses. Here, we're considering 174,000 square foot commercial club. How is that consistent with limiting commercial uses in the EOZD?

3:19:25 – 3:19:58Speaker 7

What that section is referring to is true commercial uses. What they're providing is an amenity within a residential plan development. While it's a commercial in nature and it's membership based, it's not open to the public. It is not commercial in the truest sense of zoning as it ties to a commercial use in that regard. And so what that is referring to is similar to the Wellington Country Place PUD, which I know you're familiar with.

3:19:58 – 3:20:22Speaker 7

It had a five acre set aside for a commercial development pod, a parcel. It has other, within a question in commercial recreation, it has some, uses that are commercial in nature, that provide, tack and and, supplies. And so that's what that limited commercial uses is referring to.

3:20:22Speaker 2

But in those other PUD's that you're referring to, first of all, they predate the enactment of the EOZD, correct?

3:20:32 – 3:20:44Speaker 2

And those commercial pods within those residential PUD's are a small percentage of the total acreage of those residential PUD's, aren't they?

3:20:47 – 3:20:59Speaker 2

In this situation, we have 31 out of the 80 acres that is proposed to be used for a commercial use.

3:21:00 – 3:21:21Speaker 7

I think the 30 acres was when the equestrian and the club amenities were combined. And that's what I was gonna suggest as part of the motion to use the master plan that Dave illustrated, which does separate the club amenity from the equestrian. And that club amenity is closer to it's a split

3:21:22Speaker 7

Nine acres, not 31.

3:21:25Speaker 2

So nine out of the 80 acres are now proposed for a commercial club. Is that the correct acreage?

3:21:31 – 3:21:56Speaker 7

Well, again, it is not a commercial club. This is not like Lifetime Fitness that you can go join. They have a limited membership. Lifetime Fitness is open to anyone off you know, is is can come in and become utilize that facility. Or Gold's Gym, well, yes, they they have memberships, but there's they're not limited in capacity. Just their own

3:21:58Speaker 3

business capacity.

3:21:59 – 3:22:17Speaker 2

Well, here we only have 40 of the three twenty five members that are gonna be residents. So the majority are outside members, and they have to pay to become members. That seems the same as a gym, just at a different price point.

3:22:17 – 3:22:28Speaker 7

It's not uncommon for residential developments throughout Palm Beach County that are open to outside members, social members. This is very similar to that arrangement.

3:22:28Speaker 2

But not in the village of Wellington, correct? Oh, sure.

3:22:33Speaker 7

And Palm Beach Polo had social still has social memberships for some of its facilities.

3:22:39Speaker 2

But that's not in the EOZD, correct?

3:22:41Speaker 7

No, it's not. Yes, it's in Wellington. Okay.

3:22:44 – 3:23:33Speaker 3

Thank you. I have a question, though, that I was curious about how we analyze that, because this is a little different, especially, I mean, being in the EOZD is one, but then the second thing is in terms of the scope of the club asset relative to the PUD. And so because you were discussing it as an amenity site, which I agree it is to the residents that are there, but it also serves outside users that don't reside within the PUD. How do we think about Well, I guess in this case, if it's only nine acres versus the residential lots being, how many, 40 acres of it? So it's like quarter of the, you know, one quarter of the size of the residential areas.

3:23:33 – 3:24:00Speaker 3

That includes lakes and things. Normally, that would seem to be like an outsized amenity accommodation if it was all internal capture, right? I'm just so I was curious the standards under which we approve a PUD where it's residential but has also commercial or amenity uses. If that if there was any consideration of sort of the scale of the amenity features inside the PUD when you were looking at it, if that triggers any review from our part? We

3:24:01 – 3:24:12Speaker 7

were not looking at a relationship between the residential acreage versus the club amenity acreage, no. And I don't think that analysis has been done on any other PUDs.

3:24:13 – 3:24:28Speaker 3

I just figured, normally, you think about the PUD, I mean, if it's a resident, you would think that they've got a clubhouse and something else that's there. They don't have something that's like and they have 500 homes as opposed to, in this case, having 40 homes and having this large amenity site, right? I was just

3:24:29Speaker 7

Well, I mean, in some of the PDs, you have golf courses. So if you include the golf course property, that can be just as acreage

3:24:37Speaker 3

Intensive? Intensive? Intensive. Interesting.

3:24:40Speaker 7

this isn't that application, it's comparable.

3:24:45 – 3:25:06Speaker 2

Sorry. Can I ask one follow-up question? Why isn't this considered a mixed use PUD if we have an equestrian amenity that's going to be for polo games open to the public and spectators, spectators. Club that's open for the majority of outside members. And then separately, residential pod. Isn't that a mixed use PUD?

3:25:10 – 3:25:45Speaker 7

Our mixed use PUDs consist of residential, office, commercial, retail, hotel. It would we would not look at this as a mixed use plan unit development. And so it's satisfying the requirement of the equestrian development, which is to provide that feature, that element to then cluster the homes. And within that, they're providing an amenity for the residences and future members.

3:25:45Speaker 2

But if we look at the list of uses in the club, we do have a lot of different uses, even within that single pod. They have retail, they have restaurant.

3:25:54 – 3:26:13Speaker 7

And within our residential PUDs, we have restaurants, we have small retail, we have gyms, aquatic and recreation facilities, pro shops. You know, it's not uncommon.

3:26:13Speaker 2

If this were to be considered a mixed use PUD, would this be allowed in the EOZD? No. Thank you.

3:26:23Speaker 8

I was going to ask about the three twenty five memberships that are capped. Are you guys going to have reciprocals? So like if somebody joins MPC, can they use the club next door?

3:26:34Speaker 11

:No. It's going to be capped at $3.25 members.

3:26:37Speaker 8

:I got you that. Thank you.

3:26:40Speaker 1

:Okay. Unless there's any further questions or comments, I'd like to entertain a motion.

3:26:46Speaker 2

:I want to make some comments.

3:26:50 – 3:27:10Speaker 2

I'm very concerned about this application for a number of reasons. The polo field that's there is as of right. It can stay a polo field. Everything seems to be focused on preserving this Polo Field. But the truth is that the landowner can do that.

3:27:10 – 3:27:49Speaker 2

Or, USPA, they can buy the Polo Field. There are a lot of things that can be done if this Polo Field is such an extremely important piece of Wellington's history that it needs to be preserved. And we don't need to be threatened with alternatives if we don't agree to that. What the applicant is really asking for here is for us to grant a project where they're gonna be able to make more money by doing residential lots and a private club, than by selling this as farm lots. Or by maintaining a polo field.

3:27:49 – 3:28:18Speaker 2

And I think we're treading really, really dangerous territory here. Because our code has language that we need to interpret. And we need to stand firm when we interpret that, because this is land that's in our equestrian preserve. If we're creating or being asked to create lots that are 0.43 acres in size in the EOZD, those lots will not be able to have equestrian uses. Period.

3:28:18 – 3:28:38Speaker 2

And that's a drastic change from what that property has now. That property is in the EOZD. That property has all of the permitted uses that you can have in the EOZD. That's 47 acres of property in our EOZD. And that is something that we need to stand firm on protecting.

3:28:39 – 3:29:07Speaker 2

And we are just an advisory body, but we can send a message that something like this doesn't meet our code requirements. It's a really thinly veiled attempt that's laughable, actually, to claim that we're trying to preserve a polo field. And in order to do that, we have to give up 47 acres of equestrian uses to do that. That somehow the market in Wellington isn't gonna allow for the sale of two acre farms. And by the way, it can also be five acre farms, 10 acre farms.

3:29:07 – 3:29:27Speaker 2

There's a lot of different things that the applicant can do. We can't do that. We are also being asked to approve a private club where the majority of the members are gonna be outside members. It's not really for the benefit of the residents of this planned community. Right next door to an existing club at National Polo Center.

3:29:28 – 3:30:03Speaker 2

That also doesn't constitute what our code requires. That's not an equestrian amenity, or a common equestrian amenity, because the list of uses that the applicant has presented for that club are things like a gym, a restaurant, retail. Everything that a typical country club provides. And the fact that you're overseeing a polo field doesn't make it equestrian oriented, in my opinion. Being able to watch polo, while it's wonderful, is not the equivalent of taking part in polo.

3:30:03 – 3:30:47Speaker 2

And when I asked the question, the applicant today said for the first time, oh, yeah, somebody can play on the polo field. Did they put that in their justification statement? No. Did they say that at any other time? No. Are there any barns on the property? No. Are any horses gonna live in this project? No. Are any of the members of this project gonna be able to house their horses and bring them over and ride on a bridal trail to the polo field? No. So, in my opinion, this is not a project that meets the standards of our comp plan. And it's not a project that meets the standards of 6.8.8. And we need to send a message and be firm, because this is our equestrian preserve, and we have to protect it.

3:30:49Speaker 1

Okay, thank you.

3:30:55Speaker 3

Never mind. You want to go ahead?

3:30:56Speaker 1

You want to try to

3:30:57Speaker 3

get a motion?

3:30:58Speaker 1

Well, I want to make sure everyone has an opportunity to speak if

3:31:02 – 3:31:42Speaker 3

I want just wanted to go on record, actually. My commentary is I actually, I would truly, frankly, love to work with the partnership group that's proposing this. I would love you to be in the village. I do have challenges with this project that, especially it being the first time that we're looking at 6.8.8 and approving it, because there are very large aggregations of land users that are already in sub area D. And so I think that in terms of what we set for how we actually interpret how to use this equestrian development element, I think it's very important that we don't get it wrong, right?

3:31:42 – 3:32:18Speaker 3

That we get it right. And I have concerns relative to well, I think the quality product would be super strong, and I would love it to be here. My concerns just relate to really the residences not there, not tied to horses. They might be horse adjacent, you know, in terms of having folks that would participate outside of that. But there are allowing the lots to be clustered like that, to go to 0.43 or 0.5 acres, you would not be allowed to have equestrian uses on there.

3:32:18 – 3:32:39Speaker 3

And so it would take the ability for that to be out of those residences. And I do take it seriously in terms of like, understand the financial viability. I mean, does it's difficult to pay a lot of good money for land and then just turn it over for a polo field and not get anything in exchange. I respect that and understand that. And I think that's a risk that we have to look at seriously.

3:32:39 – 3:33:09Speaker 3

And I think that you presented it well and that there is the risk by that. But I just can't get there personally on being able to approve this because I agree necessarily that well, I don't agree with the interpretation that was laid out that it was preserving the intent under the EOZD or that it preserved the internal focused nature of the development. I really find it to be more of an accessory that's not integrally tied to community. And that's where I've been challenged.

3:33:10Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you. Any other comment?

3:33:14 – 3:33:46Speaker 4

have got some comments, yes. Thank you. Sorry. I just want to say that, first of all, understand the challenges that we all have here. And I have a lot of respect for my fellow board members who are lawyers much more educated than I am in the law.

3:33:46 – 3:35:09Speaker 4

Maybe I'll just leave it at that. But I don't have the sense that staff is going to lead us down a path that is going to put us in a position where we would have to then come back and make who knows how complicated the changes would be to make up for whatever mistake we might think we made in the future that we're trying to decide on now. I just don't think staff is going to misguide us. And I listened to the Equestrian Preserve Committee meeting, and the chair was incredibly respectful, but he did ask staff if, you know, what are you trying to pull over on us? And I find it so interesting that there's this sense, this innate, like, anger and just sense that landowners and developers don't have a right to have ideas and to develop land and to present proposals.

3:35:10 – 3:35:43Speaker 4

And in fact, I feel like this group listened. And then, yeah, they might have walked across the street and had a conversation with the National Polo Club. I'm sure they were talking before. But they realized this could actually be a very unique opportunity for Wellington, for the National Polo Club, obviously for the developer, and for the community. Let's not forget that this is going to be good for us in monetary ways, potentially.

3:35:43 – 3:36:10Speaker 4

I also want to make a comment about the it seems to just be like a perceived perception that just because you've got you know, a club on one side of the street and a club on the other side of the street, that they're automatic enemies. I used to own a guest house in Puerto Rico on a beach. There was eight of us. We worked together and sent our guests, you know, from one bar restaurant to the other, back and forth all the time. I mean, that was the tourist development.

3:36:10 – 3:37:18Speaker 4

We were developing tourism. We were working together for the benefit of all of our good. Regarding the comments and the concerns that there's just too much freedom in the language for interpretation, and that that's a bad thing, I actually feel that is a wise thing, because I don't think I mean, obviously, they know their profession. And they might know a lot about land development, but they don't necessarily know everything about all of the different components the different, you know, however you construct something, you know, the elements, the products. They're not trying to tell anybody who comes to Wellington, you can only develop if you use these things and all of that in this little box.

3:37:18 – 3:37:57Speaker 4

That's impossible. I don't care what sector of the society would come to us to want to develop. We can't have a list of, oh, if you want to develop this, this is how you've got to do it. I think we have to leave we've got to make room for people, developers, landowners, who, obviously, if the zoning permits, or even if they want to come in and ask for some sort of amendment, is the process. And we have to not be angry at people for taking those opportunities.

3:37:57 – 3:38:52Speaker 4

I mean, that's what smart land development is all about, right? This is our opportunity to make sure it works for us. But I guess, in summary, what I'm trying to say is that I just don't feel the animosity that I feel that maybe some of the other boards feel automatically about development. I want to be very, very careful, in particular in the EOZD, of course, but I want to be very careful in all of Wellington, which is why I sit on this board and I am passionate that we have good, thoughtful board members, but I also think we have an excellent staff, and I think they do a good job. I trust Laurie to excuse me, Mrs.

3:38:52 – 3:39:34Speaker 4

Cohen. I trust our village council to review a document and determine if, in fact, it meets the standard of our code. Whether the language is perfect or not, I trust that she will make recommendations to make it such. I mean, that's her role. So I feel like and I wanted to ask, because I would be interested in putting out a recommendation for approval.

3:39:35 – 3:40:24Speaker 4

But I wanted to ask, could we condition it on the agreement, you know, the finalization of the agreement between you and Polo? Something else I want to say I don't feel like I have to know all the details of that, because they're business owners, and they both want to be successful, and they want their endeavors to be successful. So I don't feel like I have to micromanage what that's all about. I'm sure Laurie will be involved enough. So I would be comfortable putting something together that, if it's possible, that would say contingent upon recommend approval, contingent upon they come to their

3:40:24 – 3:40:36Speaker 4

think a satisfied agreement terms, if that's a concern for everybody else. It's not necessarily a concern for me, but I want to put forth a good proposal.

3:40:38 – 3:40:51Speaker 9

If I can make I a think they've heard everything we've said, that we don't have to put it in our motion specifically. That they're going to when they come back to counsel, they'll revise their

3:40:52 – 3:41:07Speaker 4

I was only saying that if there's folks on our board who might be concerned about the fact that that's not hammered out yet. I'm not personally concerned, because none of this is going to go forward unless that's hammered out and if this is approved by counsel.

3:41:07Speaker 3

J. Could make the motion. They agreed that they would do that, too. Okay. You're going make

3:41:13Speaker 4

Well, I'd like J.

3:41:13Speaker 10

J. Mean, I think

3:41:15Speaker 1

Before you do that, I just want to make by the way JAMES

3:41:17Speaker 4

There's two other people.

3:41:18Speaker 1

JAMES Even though you're not a lawyer, I think it's important to note that you have more experience on this board than anybody, myself included. And so I value and respect your opinion.

3:41:28 – 3:41:39Speaker 1

And I think even though I don't agree with everything you said, I agree with some of it. And your opinion is just as important as everyone else's, regardless of a law degree.

3:41:40Speaker 1

Okay. Anyone else have anything further? Okay. So with that, let's entertain a motion and see where this leads us.

3:41:49Speaker 4

So we know Julie or have yes, you need some motions

3:41:53Speaker 10

and the condition whatever conditions you're in.

3:41:56 – 3:42:24Speaker 4

Actually, I'm going to skip that based on Mr. Bauer's comments. Okay. So I would like to make a motion to recommend approval for ordinance number twenty twenty five-twenty nine. Isla Carol Polo and Residences Rezoning to amend the zoning designation from Equestrian Residential Equestrian Overlay Zoning District to Planned Unit Development Equestrian Overlay Zoning District, PMT, EOCD.

3:42:24Speaker 1

Okay. So that's on the common plan amendment. Is there a second?

3:42:29Speaker 7

rezoning. That's a rezoning.

3:42:30Speaker 1

Oh, rezoning. I'm sorry. Is there a second? Okay. The motion fails for lack of a second.

3:42:39 – 3:43:00Speaker 4

Okay. Have another one. I would like to make I am recommending that we recommend approval for Resolution No. R2025-sixty7, Isla Caro Polo And Residences' PUD Master Plan.

3:43:02Speaker 1

And so we're now we can go out of order like that? Or do we need to vote

3:43:06 – 3:43:27Speaker 7

on Yeah. You should really take have a motion to vote on the rezoning because without without it You can't do the master plan. In fact, the you're you're if you vote no on the rezoning, you should have a consistent vote on the master plan, but you can vote yes on the rezoning and no on the master plan. Okay. If makes sense.

3:43:27Speaker 1

Yeah. Okay. So let's go back and let's have a motion on the rezoning, please.

3:43:34Speaker 2

I'd like to make a motion.

3:43:36 – 3:43:48Speaker 2

I'd like to make a motion to deny or not recommend approval of ordinance number twenty twenty five dash 29, Isla Carroll, Polo and Residences Rezoning.

3:43:49Speaker 1

Second. There's a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

3:43:59Speaker 1

One Okay. So the motion think passes two.

3:44:02Speaker 4

Did you approve also? Recommended? Yeah. Okay.

3:44:05Speaker 1

Okay. So the motion passes six to one to

3:44:11Speaker 4

Not recommend approval.

3:44:12Speaker 1

Not recommend approval of ordinance twenty twenty five dash Let's 20 move on to 67, please. Is there a motion?

3:44:22Speaker 2

I'll make a motion to not recommend approval of Resolution number R2020Five-sixty7, Isla Carol Polo And Residences PUD Master Plan.

3:44:32Speaker 1

Is there a second?

3:44:35 – 3:44:56Speaker 1

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Hearing one opposed, the motion passes six to one. Do not recommend approval of twenty twenty five-sixty seven. Okay. Thank you all very much for your thoughtful comments. Any further

3:44:57Speaker 1

Oh, what's from next? Actually, assume we don't have any common cards from the public for any other matters.

3:45:03 – 3:45:18Speaker 5

No? No. I'd just like to take a minute wish everybody wonderful Thanksgiving. We will see you in December. For PZAB it's going to be December 12. Seventeenth. Seventeenth. Sorry.

3:45:18Speaker 9

have anything on the agenda?

3:45:19Speaker 8

Say that date again?

3:45:20Speaker 2

Yes. The seventeenth.

3:45:21Speaker 1

December 17. Okay. Any comments from any members of the board?

3:45:25Speaker 4

Thank you all, everyone.

3:45:27Speaker 3

Happy to bring

3:45:28Speaker 4

to you. Okay.

3:45:30Speaker 1

With that, meeting's adjourned. Thank you all.

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