Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

It's a new day. City of Waukesha Landmarks Commission and looks like we have a quorum. Let's call to order and we'll do a roll call.

Marty Larson.

Linda Gordo.

Mike Racine. Matt Rutzak.

Alrighty, thank you and looks like we have some people signed in for. For public comment, but most likely you're going to want to talk about when city staff brings up your new business. So I'm going to move on from public comment on to approval of minutes. Did you guys get a chance to look over and see if there's any errors? There's never errors.

So I'm going to motion to approve last month's, June's.

I will make a second. Marty made the motion to, and I second it for approval of minutes. All right, let's put it to a vote. Aye.

Aye.

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All right, that passes unanimously. All right, and let's turn this over to Charlie. Painting repair grant funds.

All right, so, as you know, pain repair grants are approved in an increasing scale, typically 15% of the cost of a project up to a maximum of 3000 dollars. Landmarks mission may use discretion to change award amounts. Based on project scope, overall impact fund availability, or any other circumstances. For 2026, we have a total of 25,000 dollars of paint and repair grant funds. We, as of this moment, have $2,432 left over from one incomplete 2025 project. That project has been completed, and they have submitted the invoices. We just haven't gotten the check out to them yet. So that's in process and will be done in the next week or so. So that will be zeroed out, and we have The Landmarks Commission, to this point in the year, has approved $12,277.50 in grants, so that leaves $12,722.50 available for grants for this year. And as a reminder, the approvals have to be conditional on approval from Waukesha County and the SHPO compliance.

I just have a question for you Charlie saying that I'm newer to this and this is like only my second year with it but does it seem like the requests are coming in sooner this year than they did last year because last year it seemed like we had you know a lot of money towards the end of the season and this year it seems like we're going through it pretty quickly

seems like we've had a lot of requests but a lot of them have been smaller than in past years you know usually we'll get a few roof replacements or you know big big projects that'll be at the maximum we haven't had many of those yet um a lot of the time july is a big month and this is a fairly small agenda so yeah um the other question i had for you is

Is 25,000 something that's been fairly consistent?

It's been consistent for the last couple of years. We had previously it was around 10,000 and Land Works Commission was giving 10% grants. That was back in 2018-2019. It was, you know, we kind of over a couple of years demonstrated that there was You know, a demand for larger grants, so we've increased the grant amount and. Reduce the grants that go to some other projects. But the 25,000 dollars has been fairly consistent. At least assuming we get the same amount back from, you know, from the federal government.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Any other questions for staff. All right, let's move on to new business 3975. What do you got Charlie?

All right, so this is for 300 Windsor Drive, which is in the Capels Park Historic District. So as you can see, it is at the intersection of Windsor Drive and South Charles Street, the northeast corner of that intersection. And this house does not have a historic name, at least not in the state's inventory, but it was built in 1926 and has Tudor revival-style architecture. This is the front porch. As you can see, it has kind of a unique arch door. And the front screen door. Is shaped to to kind of carry the arch into the door and it also is a wood door which I believe the applicants had said was original. The rear. In the rear, there's an attached garage with a flat roof, which is pretty typical for the cables park historic district. Garage has a small breezeway between the garage and the house. Which has a, which has a screen door storm door on it currently, which is not historic. This is an aluminum door, which is from the 19 seventies. and the applicant would like to replace it. The current door is just a square window, but the proposal for the new door, this would be a wood door to match the material of the front door, and it would have a similar arch to the arch on the front door. It will also have a divided light window, which will be actual divided small panes of glass rather than a full window with a grid section in it. This also will match not the style, but the material of the door onto the deck on top of the garage, so you can see that there.

This is a similar material to what they're looking for even though it's a larger larger glass in the door So again, this is just replacing this rear storm door and the new door will be wood with a window to match the front door All right, Pete and Rose are in the gallery tonight if they want to come up and speak Maybe ask some questions if we have them Your house looks like it has some type of artistic flair to it on the exterior Thank you for noticing

Thank you for that great presentation, Charlie. I don't have any questions. Do you have questions?

Just the protocol is state name and address.

Peter Lang, 300 Windsor Drive. Thank you. Do you have any questions?

That was a good one right there. The breezeway door, do you have like the original door, a photo of it? Is that what you're going after? No.

I don't think there was a door there when the building was constructed. When you get through that door, there's a door, a swing door to your left that goes into the garage. There's a swing door that goes to your right that goes into the kitchen. my neighbor's house that breezeway is open to collect snow and leaves so i it would be an absolute phone booth to put storm doors on both of those other entry doors to the house and garage so i think this was a good solution from the 60s it's just it's reached the end of its life and it wasn't really stylish so look into adam's architectural millwork to make us a nice door The answers are my next question.

Do we have any other questions?

I think it's a beautiful door like the repetition of the arch. The front entry from those. Carriage style garage tours. So I would make a motion to approve is submitted.

Do we have a second?

I second that.

Alright. Alright, ready to put it to a vote.

I I.

Aye.

Aye.

All right. Stick around, because we have to have a seat, though. We're going to now vote to take the next part. We're going to move on to, that passes unanimously. We're now going to go on to 3976.

All right, so this is the pain repair grant application. As you might remember in the past, cables park historic district was never eligible when paying repair grants were based on the. The previously been based on the census tract that it was a, they were only eligible in low to moderate income census tracks. Capels Park is outside of that particular census tract, so they hadn't been eligible. As of this year, the standard is different. It's any historically designated house in the city can be eligible, but you have to make a finding that It's the spot slum blight finding that they're preventing future blight Through the through the work that they're doing so in this case the storm door is is basically there to keep the interior space clean and to prevent damage to those spaces. So the cost of the door is $4,457. And 15% of that cost is $750.

think this project warrants that particularly when I went through the time to artistically match the arch rather than just getting a will fit door I think this is a better all-over design and being a corner house if I remember right when I used to walk past that house it's got great curb appeal from all sides so I think this is a great project and I'm glad the rule changes are allowing that so I support this project and I will make a motion for $750 If there's any other comments?

I will second that, of course, with the approval condition upon the Waukesha County and Chippewa compliance.

All right. We have a first and a second. Are we ready for a vote? All right. Let's put it to a vote. Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. All right. That passes unanimously. Thanks for coming tonight. Thank you. You're welcome. We will now move on to 3978.

All right, this is for 311 McCall Street. 311 McCall Street is located in the McCall Street Historic District on the south side of McCall, right between Charles and James Streets. This is the Charles H. Howard House, which was built in 1890. And its architectural style is listed as front gabled. This is one of the several houses that are located very close together. um and it is a contributing property in the mccall street historic district and as you can see it has a stone foundation the stone foundation has has some cracks in the mortar so they the applicants would like to get that tech pointed so the the contractor has identified a number of spots where they believe uh where they need the the tuck pointing will be needed throughout the foundations so you can see some of them are more visible and some are less but they will chip away the the deteriorated mortar and then replace it to match the hardness and the texture and the profile of the existing mortar and then the color as closely as possible And they're all also a couple of places where some stone replacement might be might be necessarily might be necessary. So they'll replace that as well. So again, they're tuck pointing the foundation. The new order will be that will match the hardness and texture and it'll match the color as closely as possible. And then they'll replace the stone where necessary.

All right, is the homeowner or someone representing the homeowner here tonight?

I don't believe they are OK.

Do we wish to discuss this or wait until.

It's pretty plain and simple. I think right.

And I just had some questions where the. Flashing was meeting if they were going to do something about that or. anytime you have stuff touching concrete it's gonna eat it but that's minor because they really need this fixed particularly with all the rain that we've had is just like that lower right corner really once the rain starts getting in there it's going to continue to wash out the concrete so let's continue to uh is there any questions of city staff about this project i would say it definitely needs to be done i support it okay then i will motion to approve coa 2603977 as presented i will second ready to vote aye aye aye aye all right that passes unanimously we will move on to three nine seven eight

and I guess that's where we normally want them here we can put it on hold to the next meeting they can make it I motion to put it on hold I guess I will second to put it on hold because I know we traditionally like when the people are here so we can ask such questions

Aye.

Aye. Aye. All right. That passes unanimously. We're going to move on to 3983. Charlie?

All right. So this is, as we had discussed at a previous meeting, there is a water utility pump station building at 445 West Newhall Avenue, which is owned by the city by the water utility. And the water utility is considering demolition. It's on the National Register of District Places, but it's not a landmark. So the demolition will not need to come to the Landmarks Commission for approval. but it will have to go through a negotiation process with the State Historic Preservation Office, the SHPO. As an update from the last time, the water utility had initially been looking for an EPA grant to help fund the demolition. uh they have decided that they will probably not be doing that so it won't be there's a what's called a section 106 review which is a it's a type of review where there's federal money involved um that won't be happening there will still be the negotiation with the shippo but it's a little less involved and it will most likely not involve uh you know a meeting where there's where there are stakeholders including the landmarks mission present they'll just sort of be shippable decide on a uh on a mitigation option and then landmarks commission will have the opportunity to comment on it so yeah we'll take public comment one second and uh hold please

and i spoke the day that i received this email i went there i took pictures i walked around i contacted our water utility several times i had some phone conversations with that i also talked to the alderman of that district we talked about that and it's just kind of we're waiting you know just for more information on what it was what it needs uh some repairs on the inside i'd love to see the inside but there's really nothing going on and i know there's also the state of wisconsin the dnr really has some serious rules about capping and going way down so those wells can never be whatever piping is in there could be used again so i know that we also need to hear from the dnr

So I've asked Kelly's I'll start from the Water utility to come and kind of give a little bit of more information on the building itself I recognize there's Kelly if you could state at least where you work I don't know if you're actually a city resident or not, but I am a city resident I live at 1100 Poplar, but I'm the operations manager at the water utility, which is why I'm specifically here this evening Thank you very much for being here tonight

so yeah i don't know okay well um as you can see on the map it's located on the intersection of west and new hall and the property that is directly around it was formerly owned and used by kdb label i'm not sure if it's still for sale or not yeah that's probably not i think Okay, so our property at 445 Newhall was built in 1948. It originally housed a well, well number four. And what you're looking at right now, the small portion of the building that has a flat roof would have been the booster pump station. And the large building attachment to it would hold 200,000 gallons of water. It's not a place you can walk into. It's a confined space. The former pump room we presently use for storage, it's 20 foot by 20 feet. So it's a very small portion of this particular structure. If you'd like to look inside the pump room, it's a concrete box, but I will be happy to take you there. And as you can see on this, the front column, which may not be the right term, I'm not on the Landmarks Committee, I'm merely a citizen, appears to be crumbling to the naked eye. The roof structure, which we have other photos of, is deteriorating. Whoa. Sorry. It's OK. So the roof is deteriorating over what was the reservoir. And there used to be a well house in the area that's fenced in, and that was demolished in 2016 by my predecessor. And the well, which was well four, was properly and completely abandoned by DNR standards in 2018. And that would have been located where one of the flat plates that you see is currently laying there. Those are street plates. It's not covering the well. The well is properly abandoned. With the construction and completion of our new operations center, we are looking to centralize all of our bits and pieces, so to speak, in one area so that we can be more efficient to our customers. And this is one location where that pipe yard and a little bit of storage would no longer be needed. Here again, it shows our drone operator on the north side of the photo and more deterioration of the roof. It does contain asbestos, which is somewhat concerning to me as a citizen. This is a picture of the inside structural framing of the roof of that part of the building. So the reservoir, you can see it's a sloped roof and Metal joists are very much rusty and you can also see what used to be a window of some sorts in the left photo that has daylight showing through it. There are also other parts of the building that you can see daylight through where the roof intersects with the structure. As you can see on the right side photo, there is a metal ladder that is attached to the wall, but I would not suggest trying to use it. Alderman? This is taken from the platform, which is just inside the structure which allowed us to verify that the water, when it had water prior to 1994, was there, what level it was, and take any samples we needed to. We have no further use for this building. I think from a citizen standpoint, this would be more useful as something adjacent to the property that may bring in income for the community. But obviously, it's not my decision to make. You can see some daylight and various forms of mold and decay in that structure. So we are hoping to demolish it rather than try to rehab it. A note that you may also be interested in is there is a similar type structure located on Northmoreland that houses our well number three. It is also on the National Registry and we are keeping that because it is a backup well. So we're not looking to take down the last of its kind in the city.

All righty, I know I have some questions, but I'm wishing to hear from other commissioners. You can start. Okay, thank you. This actually looks much worse than I thought it would. Just the steel structure, I mean, almost looks like we were housing saltwater in there. Were you housing saltwater in there?

No, it was groundwater, but since it started in 1948 and was used until 1994, there was not a lot of... structural coatings properly used or used in the 50s?

Well, I think whatever just the humidity alone of a concrete building sunk into the earth, even if It didn't house any water, just the constant humidity in there. I bet it smells great in there. I would not recommend it. Thank you for those photos. I don't need to see on the inside anymore. I was just, as a lover of local things and neat structures that are old, what makes this building unique is those columns on the corner. But the same thing that makes that building unique, as if those uh sconces or whatever in that style of the columns weren't there it would just be a you know not a particularly interesting building to look like if it was a total square piece of concrete but the same thing that makes this building unique and interesting looking is also it's it's decayed you would have to redo all of that and just the uh the skeletal structure of steel that holds that up i i don't see you know i don't even want to i'll be bold i'm saying trying to save this far exceeds any value you i feel you don't need our permission to do that i'm glad you came up to us about this but um i will say further comments till i hear from other fellow commissioners well i guess part of um you don't need it anymore correct

which there's probably a lot of places we don't need anymore but obviously there's an expense to take it down so you would just take it down and be a blank piece of land that is probably non-conforming and I don't know with the new changes if it would be conforming you know because it's so small you know that it would only have any value to neighbors so if we left the building because it's there and it was sold instead of spending the money to remove it one could keep it and use it as what's the zoning is in that area which right now it's being stored so it somebody could keep it as a storage it yeah it's currently manufacturing zoning um I guess that's that's the question is like, you know, it's tearing something down and spending the money to tear it down if they weren't going to use it. You know, not tear it down to build something else because they needed something else there, but they don't need something else there. It's just. You know, what are you just going to hold the land and it's just going to be there or they're going to sell a line to.

There is only a 20 by 20 foot area that is storage available. And what we have done with the other properties that we are demolishing that are not historic in any nature, the city declares them surplus property and then it gets sold either to the neighbors or whoever wants to purchase it. That's how it's gone in the past.

So we could do that. We could put it out as surplus with the building and a certain given a time nobody wants to take it on because there are grants for this property through probably state and federal because it is a historic then have the approval I mean it's the mitigation aspect of it right so have you guys thought of the mitigation aspect of trying to sell it as is

I didn't figure anyone would want to purchase it given that most of the structure is not a place or part that you can use and there is asbestos in the roof and at the time we started thinking of this process KDB label was there and they wanted it as part of their driveway and parking area

i just figured nobody's going to want to spend the money on it just because it's not anywhere close to as beautiful as the house that was item number one of your agenda except that when we put a property into this status there's an obligation by the owner to maintain the property and obviously we didn't need this for a pump station anymore and i know because i read through the whole document there was the the pumps house on the property that was taken down which was a contributing factor to this here and i don't know if we properly

That was my predecessor.

I know it's not you, but I'm just saying you're the one here tonight, so you get to listen to it.

I guess it's, yeah, it's not a landmark, so there wouldn't have been, wouldn't have had to come to the landmarks mission then either.

Since the water utility can't own any property, and if it's, if I'm saying this right, with the last properties the city did, the city takes ownership of it, and then the Balders decide what happens with it.

yeah ultimately it'll be up to the council correct right so i guess if instead of spending city money to tear it down if we could get somebody to buy it as is at least give the opportunity since it's been here this long it's not going to fall down anytime soon because i saw the construction of this is it's going to take a lot to get it down so you know that just is my take on it you know I don't know if anybody else it would be paid for by the water utility so it would be paid for by the water customers in their rates right but I am a water customer rate person I am too I understand right so there's some non-city residents that pay for delicious Waukesha water that is also true Alderman so

do charlie do we need to make a motion on this as or no we're just discussion yeah it would be nice to have a be a show of hands on the landmarks commission at least those present what they ultimately would like to see to do with this that's what i would like to get the view of the room so to speak right well money was spent and time and energy to put it into the landmark

think just spending a little time to see if there is somebody who would buy it and who knows what they can do inside because it's only the outside that's landmarked you know so I guess that's just my take is if we could and it's less money for the the water utility you have to tear it down they might make some money you could sell it for a buck that's it more than

yeah i mean it barring the legal and technical and all the layers to this i mean logical common sense has put it on the market as is and somebody wants it they'll buy it and they'll turn it into the business or space they will you know they desire while maintaining a good portion of a landmark i mean that seems logical to me all right it sounds like the room is suggesting to put the common council then

with the rest of them.

is that what city staff recommends um i guess from the perspective of planning it is kind of it's a small property which in the manufacturing district the uses that those tend to get is that's usually storage or small car lots or things like that that are you know when they're located in you know adjacent to residential districts a lot of the time they can become a little bit of a nuisance with neighbors complaining about you know things being stored outside or disrepair um there isn't really parking there uh so that that's something that you know is a little bit of a factor um in terms of the potential for reuse um

So if it's owned by the water utility, they don't have to use it as its own? Because they, I'm just, because obviously they're using it as storage. So if somebody else would buy it and use that same back lot as storage, you're basically saying that's really not technically what it's supposed to be.

Storage would be a permitted use in the manufacturing districts, but... It's typically more, you know, when it's in an area that's surrounded by a lot of other manufacturing, it is less of a nuisance than when it's, you know, when it's in a residential area. Could it be rezoned? It could be, yeah. So, yeah, that would be an option.

so yeah an applicant could come in buy it and rezone yep all righty if we don't have any more questions for kelly i think she could sit down if you guys have any questions okay thank you for coming in tonight and uh represent the city water utility All right. We will move on to Alderman's report. There's one more. There's one more. 3983.

Government sub grant. Okay.

I crossed that one out with a too big a check mark. Charlie, what do you want? What do you got for 3983?

So this is a grant program that the state historic preservation office has. It's kind of an annual. Opportunity for the certified local governments throughout the state. Basically, their funding comes from the federal government. I think they've said it's it's like leases on oil, offshore oil rigs or something like that that all of the state historic reservation offices in the country or get their funding from. A certain amount of that has to be passed on to the. To the local governments. So they have this grant program which can be used for a number of different things. The city's 2013 intensive survey of historic properties as well as I think the original one from the 1980s. Those were funded using the certified local government sub grant money and then it can also be used for National Register nominations. So the grant process would be. Starting the application would be starting in the fall and then it would be awarded. I think. In like January of 2027 for. Grant cycle that that would go from 2027 into 2028. But if we wanted to apply for that, we would have to start. Contacting homeowners to find out property owners to find out if they're interested. You know, in the very near future. One of the one of the. Kind of the decision points for a the National Register is if a homeowner objects to a property owner objects to being on the National the nomination does not go forward. So if we're going to apply for a grant and we really want a positive, we want the property owners to state that they do not object before we start so we don't get into it and have spent money and then not have... um not have a uh a grant so there are or not have a not have a nomination uh there are a couple of properties that are potentially eligible uh that i just wanted to bring up and sort of gauge whether there's interest in contacting the owners this is all from the the 2013 intensive survey so this is the brixton and dick brixton and dick's duplexes district It's its potential historic district. It's at the corner of Scott and Wabash avenues. It's 99 duplex properties which were built in 1943 and 1944. At that time, that was during World War Two. There was a very strict restriction on just in general rationing for the war effort. There was a very strict restriction on new home building had to be. It was only allowed in areas where. There was defense manufacturing that was going on in it. There was a maximum value per home. And so, since these were built at that time, the belief is that they were. What's called defense housing that was qualified under those strict restrictions. So that's a historic district that's potentially eligible. We did. When we previously applied for the sub grant in 2019, I think we had contacted all those property owners. They're all owned by different people and I think only one of them was owner occupied. um so we didn't get a ton of responses so that it's uh you know it might take some different kinds of outreach or it might just not be possible to get a response with a historic district um it wouldn't go forward if it was a majority of property owners So that would be five of the nine that objected. So we'd wanna hear from probably five at least that they were in favor of it before going forward with the nomination. There are a couple of other, single-family homes that might also be eligible, or that are also potentially eligible. This one is the Claude and Isla Schmidt House. It was built in 1966. It's got a contemporary style architecture. It's at 1021 Downing Drive. The design, it's described in the survey as Wrightian style, which you can see with the horizontal lines, and it's built into the side of the hill. Another one which is eligible as of this year is the David Bartz House. It was built in 1976, so the house has to be at least 50 years old to be eligible for National Register status. So this is another example of contemporary style architecture. This is at 1381 Harris Drive. And this is the photo from the intensive survey. These ones are more recent. So this is also potentially eligible. So if you are interested in pursuing a subgrant this year, we could contact the homeowners and gauge their interest. We could potentially have somebody from the state come and give a little presentation to explain what the National Register is and why it's There isn't really a drawback for homeowners to be on it, things like that. I guess I'm really just looking for sort of, you certainly don't have to make a motion, just kind of sentiment. Do you think it's worth pursuing this year? Should we put it off until later or not go forward with it this year?

Does city staff have resources, manpower for this?

Um, yeah, I think we, you know, we had a little bit of discussion. We have an intern who's been working with us this summer that. You might be able to do.

Prepare some of the letters to the homeowners and I think this sounds like perfect in turn based on that 1st, the World War 2. Era brick construction, I think. The duplexes, we don't necessarily have to talk to them. We recently did talk to them and didn't sound very favorable. I think we're more resources on the last ones we just viewed. But I recommend since the city staff has people able to do it, I recommend an intern has the time and can do a good job. Why not? Definitely. These are very unique homes. That one on Downing, it stands out, not just because it's on the hill, it's a very unique house, just like this one on Harris. I don't think we need a motion, but I, sitting in this chair, I recommend it.

So as you say, this is just the national historic. So it has nothing to do with local landmarks, right? So. The benefit would be. Tax incentives for them to maintain the property.

Yeah, it would be. They would be eligible for historic preservation tax credits. And I guess beyond, I think there are some grants that that are. based on national register status that are not grants from private organizations, it wouldn't come with any kind of, like you say, it wouldn't involve any regulation like the landmark status would.

So if they wanted to do something and get this money, they don't have to come here for us to do any kind of approval. They are going directly to the government and then they know.

there are a few properties in the city currently that are on the national register but aren't landmarks there are i think only two or maybe three or four actually that are landmarks but are not on the national register i i just think right as they're saying educating the public you know

to the benefits you know it since as you say there's no really downside right to it there's only upside and it's it's an upside for the city too to have properties that have the character and being preserved because there's extra funds available to do the right thing versus slap up aluminum siding would city staff entertain

fellow commissioners saying, hey, there's a really neat home that is eligible. Would they like to hear, city staff like to hear other interesting homes that would qualify?

Yeah, if you have ideas, certainly. I know... You know, we did have those surveys. They went through, you know, there's one from 2013, which was the most recent one that it kind of went through and looked at a lot of, you know, it was from a professional who was looking at it based on all of the standards for the historic, for the National Register status. But they certainly could have missed some. we actually um i i at the state uh historic preservation and local history conference last year i had attended a session that was related to It was some work that's being done on a Latino in Wisconsin status report of whether there's properties that can be preserved or that might be eligible for National Register status or other kind of preservation work based on Latin American history. They had identified a number of them throughout the state, including at least one in Waukesha. I emailed the person who gave that talk. It's a professor at UW-Eau Claire, so it's possible she's not checking her email over the summer, but I haven't heard back from her yet.

Any more questions on this subject?

No, it'd be a great thing to pursue.

All right. Thank you. I have some ideas. I'll send out an email. It was based on our last, one of our applicants at our last meeting actually has people stop in front of their house and say, what are you doing here? You live in this style house. I just think that's kind of neat. But it gives me some other ideas. All right. We'll move on to the alderman report, if that's all right. Obviously, there's- Do we have an alderman here? We do. For another, until April, two more years. so we got a lot of things going on in the city check uh... the city's website there's a lot of stuff though a lot of people realize they have uh... special uh... food trucks on july third there's a five forty five they're doing a special flag dedication uh... with an american dream oak celebrating also uh... the parks anniversary and uh... america's two hundred fiftieth anniversary that's at five forty five fireworks july third There's a bunch of neighborhood adult beverage gardens in various parks. So check the city website on that. Fireworks at 9.30, so go to your favorite fireworks place. And then the parade kicks off at 11 o'clock. If you're walking in the parade, be by the Dreyfus building at 10 o'clock. And if you're attending the flag or the parade, maybe say a shout out to somebody that looks like me and maybe you'll get extra candy for everyone in the viewing listening area.

So, Mr. Alderman.

Yes.

If we have bad weather for the fireworks, how does one know they're canceled, not canceled? You know, because people are

planning their day as much as i don't ever go on social media uh the city has a very good social media and they also have out i highly recommend everyone joins the city at least on the social media but last year's parade got cancelled and word went out on radio news um Normal TV broadcasting cable broadcasting and all social medias and it's we were still walking and people were coming the other way. So check your local sources of media. So that is the best way. But the city does put out a mass. um communication with rebecca and her team jenny anthony tony and i'm probably missing somebody but oh i knew it i knew it i was i think i called him tony didn't i but anyways uh they have a great uh team just to get that word out so if you are not signed up in the city of waukesha's email list or social media whatever your social media platform there's three four or five of them but if you are on that platform the city will get the word out very very quickly on that right and we don't know if they're just going to move them to the the next day we would have really noted they did not uh last year and then the parade last year just they just didn't have it fireworks i don't think they've traditionally had that uh remember right at least in my modern recollection it's rare that I'm in here this time of year as usually I'm up north looking at my dad's place this time of year but I'll be in town

Thank you for your information.

Yes. And then, like I say, I keep talking about Waukesha Unlocked, but that's what I have. So let's move on to the Springs report.

All right. I don't have anything new for the Springs report. We're going to hopefully get a Springs cleanup scheduled before Waukesha Unlocked. I have to talk to Tony Lanza again about getting that. He had a group that could help, but otherwise we might just do one and send out a volunteer invite. That's really all I have.

Your volunteer invite, is that through April with Park and Rex? She's got a great communication team on that.

We work with them and we use their volunteer trailer, but it's sort of a separate OK.

I know April does it? Work with April for that that division for over 22 years and. With another. Volunteer organization I work with so they have great network of volunteers. OK, you know your resources. Alright, is there any other communications and publications?

Yeah, there's two things that I had. One, just it's kind of, Ways out in the future, but the Wisconsin local history and historic preservation conference is going to be in Milwaukee this year When it's been other parts of the state typically the city has said We can pay for conference the conference Fee to attend for landmarks mission members, but wouldn't pay for the hotel, but I guess in Milwaukee might be a little easier to get to and So that's October 15th and 16th. There's an early bird registration by mid August, so that's just something to consider whether or not you. Can make it and would be interested. That's a Thursday and Friday. It's typically a full day Thursday and then half day Friday. And they may or may not have some tours on the afternoon of Friday of historic properties in Milwaukee. And then Waukesha Unlocked is October 10th and 11th. And we are planning on having springs tours again. on the 11th so if anybody is interested and willing to help out with the tours let me know that would be very helpful if you can so that's it's a bus tour of the four spring sites and we have a sort of a script at each site of information on the springs

Don't maybe we could drive by a certain one in Newhall and just say hey everybody, that's for sale, right?

Nicely done already.

Yep, I certainly will.

All right. Is there any other discussion? If not, we can move for adjournment. Alrighty. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. And those watching at home, we'll see you next month.

Thank you.