City Council - Regular Meeting

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Tuesday, September 8th, 2026, 7.03 PM. Fair here. Here. Here. Here. Here.

of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All the council members answer if they have or have not read the minutes of the council meeting dated August 17th and August 24th, 2026. Behr? Yes. Briggs? Yes. Coulter? Yes. Heidrich? Aye. Pultmeyer? Aye. Packy? Yes. Pepsil? Yes.

Motion to approve. Second. Motion by Behr, second by Heidrich to approve the minutes. the august 17th and 24th 2026 council meetings all those in favor aye any opposed by your vote the minutes are approved thank you approval and adjustment of agenda including consent agenda you have the change order number two and change order number three for the riverfront trail connection project

Good evening. In front of you, you have two change orders. They will close out the remaining construction of the riverfront trail connection project. They are two orders that we have discussed previously. The first one is change order number two, which is the aggregate concrete from Cochran Engineering. in the amount of 19,308,075 cents. That addresses adjustments to the quantity and unit pricing of aggregate concrete and work that was completed by KJU. Per the City of Washington, 298 square footage of that was additional exposed aggregate concrete that helped us tie in areas that you'll see on those drawings that you have there as well. in the amount of $42,046.50. That work was approved by the city. And then also for the additional aggregate concrete as part of alternate number three, adjusted by 1,057 square feet. That bid document identifies an incorrect quantity for the portion of the work. Also, you will find change order number three, which addresses the water line delays and obstruction by KJU in the amount of 10,533,017 cents. That one addresses that additional work that was completed and associated in locating an existing water line that we have, encountering previously unidentified underground obstructions, and completing the necessary work to install the new water line. That change order also includes the installation of a new fire hydrant. The existing had a four-inch hub, while the current standards now require a six-inch hub.

Let's make a motion to approve.

Second.

Motion by Behr, second by Pepsil to approve the consent agenda. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? I can vote. Consent agenda is approved. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Lori.

Priority items, mayor's presentations, appointments and reappointments. Board of Adjustment, reappointment.

Dear council members, I herewith submit for your approval the following for reappointment to the Board of Adjustment, Kevin Creedy, term expiring September of 2031. Make a motion. Second. Motion by Holtmeyer, second by Coulter to approve Kevin Creedy for the Board of Adjustment. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? By your vote, Kevin is approved. Thank you.

Washington Tourism Commission appointment.

Dear council members the Washington Tourism Commission hereby submits for your approval to the appointment of Jeff Hastings to serve on the Washington Tourism Commission. This commission term will expire December of 2027. This is submitted by Administrator Pullman. I'll make the motion. Second. Motion by Behr, second by Heydrich to approve Jeff Hastings to the Washington Tourism Commission. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Thanks, Jeff.

Public hearings. Co-change downtown parking.

YES, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. UNFORTUNATELY, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED THE COMPUTER A BIT BEFORE WE STARTED TONIGHT, SO IT'S GOING THROUGH A SERIES OF UPDATES, BUT IF YOU'LL OPEN TO YOUR PACKET, I HAVE PRESENTATION. MAYBE I'VE GOT A SHORTENED VERSION ON THE COMPUTER, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WHILE THE COMPUTER RESTARTS HERE. Today, I'm here to talk to you about parking in our downtown district. And if you'll go to that second slide here in your packet, specifically we're talking about the C3 Central Commercial District. And the C3 district is mostly contiguous with downtown Washington. And I guess the specific change that we're requesting, it's not really a change, it's more of a reversion to how we used to regulate parking downtown. We used to have no parking requirements downtown at all. And in 2017, that was changed in a series of code rewrites where the entire zoning code was overhauled. And one of those changes that was made was adding parking requirements for new development downtowns. Like if you're building one of those new condos that, well, they're not so new anymore, but one of the condos that Andy Understall built down there, that would require off-street parking. The issue with that was that staff were not aware that this change had been made. We were under the assumption that in the past, I should say this, in the past nine years we did not know that our rules that we had required parking downtown. And so we're asking we're going going with the asset is to remove parking requirements for new development downtown. And there are several reasons why we're proposing that today. The first of which being that much of downtown Washington was developed before the invention of cars, so parking was not a consideration. And businesses downtown do not need to provide large amount of service parking to achieve that business as most customers in the area park wherever there is availability and walk to their destination. And I've got two images here that kind of demonstrate this on the bottom of the slide there. the image on the left is of Main Street, of course and As you can see the you know, the buildings are built to the sidewalk. There's no parking off street You know, there's no designated parking for each building and It's a pleasant place to be a pedestrian. There are no curb cuts. There's street parking, and you can generally find a place to park. But the goal of why this was built this way was not to, I need to get my car here as fast as possible. It was, we're going to develop a pleasant place to be a pedestrian. and to attract pedestrian traffic for these businesses when they were originally built. And then the image on the right is a suburban shopping center. The building is set back from the road. There's parking in front of the business. you know, access roads, no sidewalks. One isn't worse than the other. You know, they're just very different contexts that were built at different times throughout Washington's history. Okay, I'm going to pull this up real quick so we can get it on the screen. Thank you all for bearing with me. So all that being said, this does not mean that parking is not needed downtown. The city, we have facilitated this need by providing free street and off street parking across the area. This gives downtown visitors with a place to store their vehicles while they walk to patronize various businesses. And just kind of to harp on the importance of why staff is recommending we revert to not requiring parking for new development. Providing shared parking also prevents demolition of historic structures for surface parking. So if a developer has to provide a certain amount of parking for use and he doesn't have the land, there isn't available land, that's incentivizing developers to potentially buy historic properties and demolish them to be able to meet that parking requirement. And you aren't gonna have heritage tourism downtown if you don't have any heritage left.

So that's just kind of another reason why that's important.

So getting to the actual, rule that we're discussing here. This is the off street parking section. And for C3, this talks about the off street parking code shall not apply to any reoccupancy of existing buildings or structures. So if you're building a new building, the normal off street parking requirements apply there. And as I discussed some history here from about 1990 to 2016, we did not require parking spaces downtown. But during the code rewrites during 2017, we added this requirement. As far as staff can tell, talking with previous administration and planning staff, this was standard language from the consultant that we employed at that time. This was not staff's intention. And we had been operating, telling developers and so on and so forth that, hey, there are no parking requirements downtown. That was commonly understood as how we regulated parking in this area of town. So talking about what actually occurred when staff was under the belief that there was no parking downtown, talking about some development that happened. downtown at that time, one East Main. The interesting thing with the development that has occurred downtown over the past nine years is that it all meets our current off-street parking requirements, but staff, we didn't say, hey, you have to build X amount of parking. The development community just said, oh, well, I think that my building ought to have this much parking, and so they built it as a result. And same thing for all the other, you know, kind of attached single family residential here. A lot of them have garages and such, you know, that were built by the developer for marketability, not because the planning department said, oh, this unit needs two parking spaces or one and a half or whatever. So talking about parking availability, there are about 1,050 private surface parking spots in the downtown zoning district. And this includes commercial, residential, and institutional uses who limit their parking spaces to their patrons. There are about 730 parking spaces owned by the city, or we have a lease agreement with said business to provide parking for the public. And then there are around 750 on-street parking spaces north of Fifth Street in the C3 district. This means that In total, there are about 2,534 surface parking spaces. What this figure doesn't include is spaces for garages. These folks right here, who all have garages attached to their homes, it doesn't include those. It doesn't include any garages for auto body shops or any other sort of garage that is not an obvious parking space that you can see from Google Maps or what have you. So what this means is there are around 1,500 parking spaces free and available for the public to use at any given time. And before making this change, staff did some research. Who here is familiar with Placer AI? Is that a tool you all are familiar with? For those who aren't familiar, it's essentially a tool that gathers cell phone data to track where a number of visitors are at a certain point in time. So you can draw a boundary using this tool, and it'll tell you the average number of daily visitors during a normal weekday and weekend. And so we took some data from this tool to apply it to see how much of our parking is actually being utilized on a day-to-day basis. And so the next few slides show the average number of people downtown per hour each day of the week over the past six months to help you all understand how our parking is currently being utilized. And this includes people who live downtown, people who are employed downtown, and people who are just visiting downtown. And just want to further reiterate that this does not include garage spaces and place where I tracks the number of people, not the number of cars. So, you know, some people, you know, some people might might walk to downtown or bike or, you know, get here via Amtrak. And some people might come with their families, and their kids might have phones and whatnot. So the number of people that I show on this, well, here, I'll just go to the next slide so I can talk about it. So the bottoms, this is a bar graph. And the blue here is the number of people downtown. The orange here is the available parking. And then I've got per hour, the number of people, and how much parking is being utilized. In reality, the number of cars that are actually downtown is less than the amount of people, because you have multiple people in one vehicle. So the amount of parking that is being utilized is less than this graph. And throughout the weekday, you know, pretty, pretty consistent trajectory more as you start to get towards towards the end of the weekday. These are mostly people, you know, working downtown and then you've got some weekend data here, you know, spikes around Friday night and Saturday. And that's why I have to reiterate that the number of people and parking spots are not the same thing here because we're literally off the graph Saturday. But that doesn't mean that, you know, every single parking space, you know, if you've been downtown on Saturday, sure, it's busy, but it's not like every space is is is taken um and so this is just showing you know that saturday at 3 p.m is our most um you know that's that's when the most people are downtown and then sunday just kind of peaks midday so and then talking about that average peak parking demand downtown this is some data from the U.S. DOT, and talking about multiple people per vehicle, they estimated, and this is the most up-to-date data I could find, that around, there's 1.5 people per vehicle. So you take that, 3 p.m., average number of people downtown, 2,600, divide that by 1.5, You got around 1,738 vehicles downtown. And that's your average peak demand. Of course, festivals are going to be crazier and crazier than this. But this is sort of the average peak demand that we are handling. Getting back to the recommendation tonight, given the utilization of our existing parking, staff recommends not requiring off street parking downtown. The market has dictated adequate off street parking for new developments in this area over the past three decades. There are around 2,500 parking spaces in this area with 1,500 free and available for the public to use at any given time. And downtown Washington does not experience nearly enough traffic on a normal day to justify requiring off street parking for high volume uses. And this is an item that had gone through planning commission, took about three months to to get a get a recommendation. But we had a lot of great discussion. And I think, you know, Chad and Jeff sat in on a couple of those meetings and can can can speak to that. So with that, I'll open it up to council.

So my question was gonna be to Chad because I see it was a pretty split vote here. The discussion against is still need more parking or?

They were worried about development happening and not having the parking. And we talked about that. If you're a developer and you're going to put all that money in a building. You're going to have to have some parking, you know, just like with the the new development happened downtown they put the parking in under the assumption that. We weren't even we didn't have this rule in place anyway.

Well, like I said, One West Main is a good example. Yes. And marketability is the right word. Aaron put it in his slide that Andrew Cleary is the one who built it, and his wife has a dental office. But you know they needed spots for that, and they put it in there. So it's marketable. It's the marketability. I think, again, I only sit in for the mayor for planning and zoning when he's not here, but I was not last month. But the month before, we talked about the bowling alley. I mean, that's really the 800-pound elephant in the room, right? I mean, that's what it is. If we approve this, they don't have to have any. They don't. but they surely will want to and that's the chad's point that you know they're going to want to do that so to me the split vote to al's point is are we going to require them to have parking or are we going to leave it up to them to have the parking is what it amounts to um you know again i think that if you know a small bakery comes in on main street and your average is two or three people in there at a time that's not what we're worried about but if we're going to have a development down there where you know even a potential hotel someday or you know like i said we talked about the boeing other things like that what is you know what is needed what um what is adequate And then I guess I'll ask, you know, I mean, Joe, Mike, Al, you guys live down there. What's it do for your front door when there's a festival that goes on and they park there? You know, and the respect out of those residents that they're gonna be parking in your garage or in your front step, I guess is what it amounts to. So that's really my, that's personally my only holdup is the fact that what does that do? What does that bring?

The other thing that we talked about is downtown had a lot more stores in the past, big drogues, the Bank of Washington. Everybody went to the bank all the time. Nobody goes to the bank anymore. Think about if you went to the Bank of Washington and to the other bank that was down there, If you went there on a Friday. There was 25 or 30 people in that bank just utilizing the bank for for 3 hours on a Friday night. Nobody goes to the bank anymore. Trogi's is closed Sears is closed pennies is closed all those all those stores that went downtown that people went downtown for closed. So I don't see how we can have a parking problem now if we didn't have it then. Yeah, you might have to walk a block or 2, but I mean that's part of what makes downtown downtown is walking it's not driving and have a massive parking lot like we have out of targeting Coles and it's you know that's what makes downtown I I've been to many downtown the Colorado and they don't have parking you have to walk a block or 2 and that's that's what makes it we're just in Manitou Springs. And they don't they don't have parking garages. It's their downtown is way bigger than ours. So that's just my opinion.

Well, to your point to I think sorry Joe, you know, you know, it's the you know, Saint Charles and your Branson in the future are those downtown districts. You hope to find a parking spot on the end of their downtown and walk through. And that adds to the whole downtown feel as far as that goes to.

Well, and I think if you're a developer like the alley or whatever, They're going to want parking and so they're they're going to try to do the best they can to keep their building so much so they have parking. I mean and like Ted said it has been in the past and during festivals, everybody that knows it lives downtown and those that that's going to be crowded and you should go on vacation but yes but but uh no it it's uh just brings you know our a lot of our community is tourist driven as far as downtown goes and and without the tourists a lot of the downtown businesses wouldn't survive so it's it's a catch-20 you know do you if you make parking requirements all of a sudden you know people are going to come and then businesses are going to start closing so i think this what we have on the books or proposing is what we should do yeah there looks there's a lot more ground work here than what you put up yeah i gave the the abbreviated version tonight so i appreciate that too your effort

Any other discussion?

It's a public hearing.

Public hearing. Is there anyone here this evening who would like to speak to the council on this matter? Seeing none.

Make a motion to accept it into the minutes.

Second. Motion by Behr, second by Briggs to accept it into the minutes. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? By your vote, code change is accepted into the minutes. Thank you.

In ordinance amending section 400.265 of the code of the city of Washington, Missouri.

Holtmeyer. Introduced by Councilman Holtmeyer, the ordinance that follows the code change. Any other discussion? Second reading, please.

An ordinance amending section 400.265 of the Code of the City of Washington, Missouri. Pepsil? Yes. Behr? Yes. Heidrich? Aye. Patke?

Yes.

Holtmeyer? Aye. Frakes?

Yes.

By your vote, Ordinance 3B passes. Thank you.

Citizens' comments?

Is there anyone here who would like to address the council on any item that is not on the agenda? That'll be you, Dave. Okay. You need to come up to the podium, state your name and address. We don't know who you are.

My name is Dave Haddox, and address, 920 Cherry Lane, Washington, Missouri. I'm here on behalf of Oxfest and I'm a little confused as to what the insurance is that we need for our festival. Last year we were charged a million dollar and then three million aggregate and that was good. I guess I wasn't aware that it changed. Did it change? Was it voted on? Does the city set the, or does the Parks Commission, do they do that whenever they want, or how does that work?

It was suggested to us, and again, correct me if I'm wrong here, by our insurance provider that we needed to be a higher aggregate at the first of the year. We approve that it went back. We had other complaints throughout the year. Other concerns that it was too high to get insurance for we went back the parks office along with Sherry established a step policy on what was needed on different uh levels of insurance need so we have as of our six o'clock meeting tonight we've tabled anything new at this time so for your festival next saturday yes sir it's the same as it was last year it is the same requirement that the city has for your insurance

So that's a million-dollar liability, $3 million aggregate, and that's right. That's it. That is right. And that's what I need for next year.

That's what you need for your event on September 19th. Thank you. I will ask you this. Going forward, it will be a change for next year. We've asked our insurance broker to come back with – the problem we had is a one-day, $1 million, $4 million aggregate was – exponentially more money and impossible to do so we're looking to go back we tabled it tonight to go back find out what should it be so the city's not out anything, exposed any more than we have to be for an event, but also that it's reasonable for someone to be able to rent and have insurance there. So we're going to ask for extra. Daniel and Henry is our insurance broker. They're going to look for a couple of companies that would write an insurance policy for that one day, along with local Rick Hopp, who's helped us out in the past. And what is an option going forward? I know looking at it, what you had to have for a one day, they wouldn't write the policy. Then it was a $5 million and a $5 million. That money was exponentially higher. So again, the council agreed tonight at our workshop meeting to table it. So you're good for this year. No changes. Same as last year. But be part of our conversations going forward in the next few months to make it viable for you to do it next year.

Fair enough. Thank you.

Council, anything else that I said may be wrong?

No.

I mean, pretty much what we asked the insurance company was, we know none of us are insurance gurus. So find something that's going to work for the organization so it's not cumbersome to try to get something approved. And they can take some direction and say, all right, I'll call this person, this person, this person. You can shop it a little bit that way and you'll have more than you know, just hoping you find something right so that's kind of what what the idea was and what Daniel Henry going back to do.

And like Mr. Bear said, he mentioned, how can we do this when the Oxfest is going to be in a week or whatever? We can have, you know, whatever, the 19th. How should we, so we all decided, you know, situation like you guys and a couple other things coming up, let's just table it and

And I guess it started with Rick Hopp. And that's who we get our insurance with. And he told us, he said, Dave, the city's telling me I need this, this, this. I think it was $1 million, $3 million aggregate, $3 million umbrella. He said, I can't get anybody to write that. What I can get is a 5 million and 5 million aggregate. I said, well, I don't need to be over insured that much, you know, so. I don't know. She's been going back and forth and working with Rick, so I appreciate what you guys have done and we'll work it out this year and then we'll see what comes next year.

Yeah, like Mr. Packy said, just stay involved with us the next few months when we're talking about us. Be involved with it so everybody knows. What to expect next September. Absolutely.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Have a good event. Good luck next week. Anyone else like to address the council on an item not on the agenda? All right. Seeing none, Sherry.

ordinances and resolutions, an ordinance authorizing and directing the execution of a supplemental agreement number two by and between the City of Washington, Missouri and HDR Engineering Inc. for engineering services for the High Street Reconstruction and ADA Improvements Project, STPG 6400630. Holtmeyer.

Introduced by Councilman Holtmeyer. And we talked about this at the workshop. Are there any other questions?

Any other questions for Charles? Comments? Second reading, Sherry.

An ordinance authorizing and directing the execution of a supplemental agreement number two by and between the City of Washington, Missouri and HDR Engineering, Inc. for engineering services for the High Street Reconstruction and ADA Improvements Project, STBG 6400630. Pepsil. Yes. Bear? Yes. Heydrich? Aye. Patke? Yes. Coulter? Yes. Holtmeyer? Aye. Briggs?

Yes. By your vote, Ordinance 7A passes. Thank you.

An ordinance authorizing directing the acceptance of a bid from Hoffman Hillerman for mowing at Fire Station 1.

Fair. Introduced by Councilman Bear. We discussed this at the workshop meeting. Any other questions? Comments? Second reading. Sherry?

An ordinance authorizing and directing the acceptance of a bid from Hoffman Hillerman for mowing at Fire Station 1. Pepsil? Yes. Baird? Yes. Heidrich? Aye. Patkey? Yes. Coulter? Yes. Holtmeyer? Aye. Rakes?

Yes. By your vote, 7B passes. Thank you. 7C, please.

An ordinance authorizing and directing the execution of a vehicle sales invoice by and between the City of Washington, Missouri and the Missouri State Highway Patrol for the purchase of a 2019 Mercury Marine inflatable boat, Mercury outboard motor, and Hallwright boat trailer.

Pepsil. Introduced by Councilman Pepsil. We discussed this additional vote for the fire department at the workshop. Any other questions or comments? Second reading, please.

An ordinance authorizing directing the execution of a vehicle sales invoice by and between the City of Washington, Missouri and the Missouri State Highway Patrol for the purchase of a 2019 Mercury Marine Inflatable Boat Mercury Outboard Boater and Hall Light Boat Trailer. Papsil. Yes. Behr. Yes. Heidrich. Aye. Spatke. Yes. Coulter. Yes. Holtmeyer. Aye. Riggs.

Yes. By your vote, 7C passes. We bought an extra boat, Tim. Thank you. 7D, please.

An ordinance establishing the rate of compensation of the city councilor of the city of Washington, Missouri.

Holtmeyer. Introduced by Councilman Holtmeyer.

So this is, do you want me to? Yes, please. Okay. So in your packet is the ordinance for Mark. It is a 5% increase for the company that he works for with Sandburg and Phoenix. And he is asking for, like I said, a 5% increase from 195 to? 205. Thank you, to 205. And it would go into effect October 1st.

Any other questions? Comments?

Burn him up this month before October 1st.

I was right. That's all you're going to get. That's pretty easy. Right. Any other questions or comments? Second reading, please, Sherry.

Establishing the rate of compensation for the City Councilor of the City of Washington, Missouri. Pepsil? Yes. Behr?

Yes.

Heidrich? Aye. Hackey? Yes. Coulter? Yes. Holtmeyer? Aye.

Briggs? Yes. Ordinance 7D passes. Thank you.

Commission Committee and Board Reports, an ordinance approving the amended final development plan of the Blossom-Fasora Place as described below.

Behr.

Introduced by Councilman Behr.

Yes, good evening. So the associated boundary adjustments and final plan amendments are for what's on your screen right here. The owner of lot 5A, there's a home right here on this lot right here, and they wanted to buy some of the existing common ground from the lot. Since the bluffs at Masora Place is a planned development and they are changing a lot line here, a final plan amendment is required. There's nothing in the final plan that's changing per se, so this is just an ordinance readopting the existing final plan as a new document to match with the boundary adjustment. But, yeah, no, so they're not planning on building anything here. This is just the owner of this lot here purchasing some common ground from the developer to extend their lot.

Can you show me on a map which building that is?

Yes. Let's see.

It's in our packet on 8a, Aaron.

I'm sorry?

The map of the development is in our packet, if that helps you out.

Yeah. No, I know. Let's get here. OK. So we are over here. This I mean it's you know that that the street view is still the imagery still under construction, but this home right here. They're wanting to buy. Just this section ground here.

I thought I was just making sure.

And if they wanted to build on it, they would have to come back to you all. It's a planned development. And there's no structure there proposed in the current development plan. So same process.

That was going to be my question. If they want to build a garage or add on to that. Has to come back to council. Has to come back to us. It's a plan. Correct. Any other questions for Aaron? Comments? Second reading, please.

An ordinance approving the amended final development plan of the bless the bluffs of the sort of place as described below. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

Yeah, same deal here, just the boundary adjustment ordinance, so.

Any other questions? Second reading, please.

An ordinance approving a boundary adjustment for the Bluffs at Passora Place, Plat 3, in the city of Washington, Franklin County, Missouri. Pepsil? Yes. Baird? Yes. Heidrich? Aye. Patke? Yes. Coulter?

Yes.

Holtmeyer? Aye. Briggs?

Yes. By your vote, 8B passes. Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tem's report.

I know Doug's in Rome. I haven't spoken with him. I asked Chad before. Hopefully he's having a good time. He's responded to emails, but just hope a safe return for him. We do have park board meeting tomorrow night and the historical dinner is on Thursday night, September the 10th.

yes we've actually got something of note to that we have one extra spot so if one of you all want to come am i on that list yes you are okay yes i didn't know if i was with a different table but that's great yeah so we got we got room for one more if anyone else wants to come so um that's all i have thank you city administrator city administrators report nothing council comments

I like to remind everybody that trash day is tomorrow throughout the city and on the West end of town is recycling.

that note I was going to say something about the two as well Joe if if we can on um I had some people I had some calls people saying that they didn't get a flyer they didn't see anything on social media about you know the day later you know being trashed a day later can we if this pops up again can we throw this out on code red that a reminder to everybody I got people that I never got a notice and I'm on code red and I got some neighbors. They're on code red. They never gotten those.

Are they registered?

Yes, so am I and I didn't receive anything.

Give us their names. And their addresses will verify OK. Alright, verify with so we did do that. Well, that's good. Call it myself.

Yeah, because I didn't receive anything. I can give you my address.

So if you did not get a code red notification for trash pickup and trash and recycle change, then they can call us, but they call City Hall and give us your name and updated number.

Yeah, if they like, but they want, they have to be registered. They want to, they'll have to register.

Yeah, because some of these people are saying, well, Mark, you told us last year to get registered for all this stuff and we didn't receive any of this. And I'm like, okay. But I'm glad we did that because a lot of people, you know, didn't know.

And that's why we try to push code red as much as we do. It's not only for Bad weather. That's awesome. For situations like this for trash recycling.

So, Councilman Holtmeyer said it, but, Carl, can you confirm that tomorrow is recycling pickup for the west of 47? It is. Because the flyer says the 22nd. It doesn't say September.

We had it last week on the east end.

It said 22nd, and then from there on are the 15th. I got the card in the mail. The 15th was the first one. The 22nd, it didn't say on the West.

Yeah, I can confirm. It should be tomorrow. It is tomorrow, and the West End is getting recycling, and we did put that up on social media, but you're right. The flyer that's going in everyone's utility billing started with, you know, assuming they wouldn't get it until this week, so it starts with next week.

And I think part of the confusion is a unique situation that we started on September 1st, and the following week we have a day late. So it's definitely a bit of confusion, but bear with it. Was there any issues last Tuesday that they had?

I think there were some, but honestly, with a change this big, it was a pretty small number, and most people were able to keep their cans out until Thursday or put them back out on Thursday and get them picked up. I think overall it's actually been going really well, unless you guys are hearing otherwise. That's good.

If I may, just the information that's in the back of your packet, that's the information that's going to go into the newsletter. I'm sorry, the utility bill.

So what's on page?

Your last page.

13B?

Yes.

Yes. Yeah, it says recycling west of 47 on September 22nd. It doesn't have on September 8th. That's why I know.

I'm just I'm just saying I know.

And I only like to make one more comment. Chad, I don't know report tonight, but good job and then the e-mails for updates on things are very helpful. Fantastic. Yeah, that's great to see and great to, you know, just updated whether it's, you know, an executive item, whether it's, you know, appreciate that and great and hope you're feeling the same and doing well. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Anything else from council comments? City attorney's report.

Public vote on whether or not to hold a closed meeting to discuss personnel, legal, and real estate matters pursuant to section 610.021, RSMO 2000. Pepsil?

No.

Thayer?

Yes.

Heidrich?

Aye.

Patkey? Yes. Someone's got to do it.

Coulter? Yes.

Holtmeyer? Aye. Briggs?

Yes. Pass six to one. I'm kidding. All right, by your vote, we're in executive session.