City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

I call to order the Schringer session of the Vienna City Council having a quorum. We will proceed. The first item that we have... What?

What's the question?

Yes.

Thank you, kind sir. The first item that we have on the agenda this evening, Mr. Smith, It is our public forum. We have two individuals signed up. The first, Henry Sasson.

Henry Sasson, 1307 Greenmont Hills Drive, Indiana. I have two items. And first one is, last year we spoke about the house straight up at the fifth. cement block and that's it. Well, a year has passed and nothing's really done. Maybe it's changed ownership, but help construction, no, nothing. I mean, can we do anything to help move it along or go through and ask for, if they're not going to do anything to fill it in or we fill it in on their behalf and place a lien against it. So that's number one. Number two is, you guys all know Paul McHenry. She lives up in Greenmont. She reached out to me on Sunday, and she's not able to be here today. She's going to come to the August 13th meeting to talk about this. But I told her, she sent me the text. I'd read it so that way I gave everybody a heads up. And it says, Henry, this is Paul McHenry, and this is in the city drain in my yard yesterday. She took a video. I have tried to reach someone for help about this for the last 20 years. I have water in my basement every time we have a rain. It gets into my AC and hot water heater, cannot seem to get the city to do anything. I got Jeremy Wyatt to work with the city and had industrial drains put in my yard. It cost me $24,000. He tells me the city drains are not large enough to carry the water from off the hill. Since I am at the bottom, it all comes to me. She needs to know what she needs to do. So she's going to come the next meeting, which is the first meeting in August, since she's out of town to talk about this.

And she sent that, I believe she sent that to all of us.

She reached out, yeah, she reached out to you, Chad, she said about a year ago. Paula called, just so we're all clear, Paula.

Melvin Turner.

I'm Melvin Turner, 913 22nd Street here in Vienna. It's been one year since I was here before and spoke to you all. And I can honestly say nothing has changed. It's like Mr. Sasson said. He's had problems talking about the water. I'm not even going to get into the water problem. That's neither here or there. It floods, I know it floods, but nothing's ever seem to gonna get done about it. What I am concerned about tonight is, along with the flooding, is the trash that's going with the flooding. If you drive up 21st Street right now, it smells like a landfill because people have been leaving their trash out on the street, not on the curb, but in the street, and then the high water comes up and distributes I don't know if I am supposed to stop and pick it up or who is, but we need to do something about it. And the other part of it is, it's been a good year for parked cars with no license. They're multiplying everywhere. We've got to do something. If we need to hire more people to get the job done, that's what we need to do. Grand Central looks great. Don't get off on the side streets. It's sad. That's all I got. Thank you.

Thank you. The minutes from the July 9th meeting have been printed, posted, and circulated. Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? If not, the minutes will stand as submitted. Moving on to unfinished business, items number one and two. Or ordinances on the second reading for the rezoning of certain property. This is for information only on these two items because they will be read at the August 13th meeting following a public forum and public hearing meeting. Mr. Do you have anything to add? Moving then on to item number three under unfinished business is the second reading of the ordinance amending article 953 of the mandatory curbside recycling. Do we have a motion to accept the second reading of the ordinance? Do I have a second? Second. A motion and a second. Open for discussion. Having no other discussion, let me make sure that Ms. Rivers is still on there.

I'm still here.

All right. We're going to ask Rod to poll the council since you're calling in.

Councilwoman Rhodes?

Yes.

Councilman Sassen? Yes. And I vote yes.

The ordinance passes on second reading. If you notice in that second ordinance, we had given the option that individuals can continue to use their current recycling tote, the green tote. They can purchase their own. or they can get a 45 gallon blue recycling container with lid and wheels through the city for a $20 fee. That then becomes theirs. They own it. And if they need more than one, they can buy more than one. But we will have those. We will post on the website and social media later this evening when they can start to pick those up. But it'll be a simple one-time $20 fee. and that gives them the purchase of the recycling tote. Moving on to new business, the first item we have is the bid recommendation for concrete and subgrade replacement. These are our yearly contracts that we do. The first one was for concrete in the individual company that was The low bidder of the bid on that was Jimmy Harper Construction with concrete replacement with $30 a square foot, subgrade replacement for $20 a square foot, and sidewalk replacement at $30 a square foot. Do I have a motion to accept the bid recommendation on concrete? I have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

Yeah, just to give everybody a heads up, we didn't have a budget and finance meeting on July 7th, so that's why it's on here as a meeting agenda as opposed to going through the budget and finance initially.

Any other discussion? Mr. Smith, will you poll the council? Okay.

Councilman Dissler. Yes. Councilman Leach.

woman road yes councilman Sasson yes and I say yes moving on to the second item on the agenda is the bid recommendation for asphalt paving as needed there were two companies that bid on the asphalt for this year the first of which was asphalt affordable asphalt maintenance and the second was brown asphalt comparing the two the recommendation this evening is to go with brown asphalt based upon their submission that you saw within the packet and supporting documents for tonight's meeting do i have a motion to accept the recommendation for brown asphalt in a second. Any other discussion? No other discussion? I would call the council.

Councilman Dissler.

Yes.

Councilman Leach. Yes. Councilman Morrison. Yes. Mayor Emory. Yes. Councilwoman Rose.

All right, moving on to the third item on our resolution, which is actually a very exciting item on our agenda this evening in resolution. Do we want to have him present first, then move on to resolution?

You can do that after hearing the information.

All right, very good.

This is a resolution approving the schematic design direction for the Spencer's Landing stage restroom facility and related site improvements, authorizing the preparation of plans for optional main stage bathrooms and concessionary, and reserving final construction and expenditure approval or counsel. Do you want me to read the whole thing? No. OK. In the packet I received three diagrams. I've listed them all as A, B, and C. The Spencer's Landing Stage and Restroom is Exhibit A. Spencer's Landing Restroom is Exhibit B. Spencer's Landing Stage is Exhibit C. I took the titles from the diagrams themselves. I attempted in reviewing the diagrams to draft descriptions of those. Those are contained in resolution. So in the part that you're actually adopting, Council approved the schematic planning program that's set out in Exhibit C, the restroom facility and fixtures in Exhibit B, and the related improvements in Exhibit A. Further development and revisions will be dealt with. With respect to the four-pan plans in the second paragraph, the third talks about the restroom drinking water features. The important one, I think, because it's one that I think will require the most discussion, and it was not listed in the group of documents that I have, or as far as the schematics, is the optional main stage bathroom concessionaries. And I will read that. Paragraph A. Council authorizes the mayor and the mayor's designated director, the pressure group, to prepare and present proposed supplemental or revised The proposed location and conceptual scope of these optional improvements shall be shown on revisions or supplements to Exhibits A and C, together with any other schematic drawings reasonably necessary to describe the proposed improvements. Paragraph B. The supplemental or revised schematic plan shall be presented to Council for review. Council may approve the plans, reject the plans, or correct that further revisions be made. The optional vouchers and concessionaries shall not become part of the approved scope, project scope, unless Council expresses And so it authorizes the mayor to execute any documents as far as to move along for the project development, bid preparation, but reserves the right to counsel to approve all design, final design, and I guess scope of the project, for lack of a better word. And essentially that's the resolution is to approve the drawings that we have to allow council the option of adding those additional restroom facilities and what have you tonight if they so desire. If they do add it, then to direct the pressure group to put drawings out. And we go from there.

I haven't heard the resolution. Do I have a motion to accept? I have a motion. Do I have a second? All right. Before we have full discussion, I want to invite Gigi to share your presentation.

Thank you all very much for the slot here this evening. I'll try to be as brief as I can. I do have a lot to go through, and I want to make sure everybody understands the designs that we have submitted and prepared for you all. I'm just going to quickly revisit the master plan and make sure everybody understands from a perspective of what we are focusing on in this particular project. and what our scope of work that we negotiated was for. So when I was here and got the agreement approved for our design purposes, we were focusing on this restroom facility and the stage itself. Anything else that's shown in the overarching master plan for the project is part of a future phase or an additional scope of work. There was just some reference to the additional build out of stage concession area. and restrooms there closer to the multi-purpose venue, but we'll discuss that in a little bit. And then in addition to the two buildings, it was to include this roadway parking area, parking behind the stage, and some food truck vendor parking along that railway extension. So just a quick revisit of the master plan. So kind of fast forward to where we are today with these plans. I want to just focus in on the site plan that we prepared and what this is really illustrating. So the buildings, nothing has changed too much from the original master plan. The building sizes have been more confirmed as far as how big they need to be for the program that we have designed. We did move the stage back a little, about 40 feet from where it was originally placed in the master plan. And that was based off some of the feedback from the recent Freedom Festival and the placement of the temporary stage that was there. the amount of people that you all had at one of the concerts, just trying to give you more green space between the river and the stage itself. So that stage did get moved back a little bit closer to the railroad, but everything in the parking area is still well within your property boundary. But that is a change that we've made that we'll be looking for some feedback on placement of that. As far as the building plans themselves, and then I have some renderings that we're going to go through and talk about. This is the floor plan of the stage itself. The way that that was positioned, I'll go back to the site plan again. So the front of your stage is facing out toward the river, and then you kind of have back of house operational side of the stage, which is the same way that this floor plan is oriented. So kind of looking page left on the stage, you have a green room and a restroom area. The main stage area itself is about 30 by 40, not including the steps that are kind of going down to where the crowd area would be. And then you have a storage room over to the right. We do have a loading dock. This would sit four foot above finish grade here so the truck could back up and unload equipment and materials and supplies onto the stage area itself. And then we have a production storage room that kind of goes the entire length of the stage here, as well as an ADA accessible ramp that would allow people to get up onto the stage, as well as just general loading and unloading of equipment that is coming from the parking area. I'm not going to focus too much on that rendering right now because I have a bunch of these to show you different 3D views from around the site as well as some of the materials. I'll get into that in a second. So I want to just kind of keep going through the floor plans before we get into that part of the discussion. So the restroom building, which is pictured here on the left, we do have a floor plan for that that I want to explain and I'll go back to the site plan just to kind of show you how that is oriented on the project. So you're gonna have a door on this side and on this side of the number one there that's shown on the screen, and then sidewalks leading to both sides of that. And the difference in those sides of the building is you have a general purpose use restroom on one side that has currently four stalls in a women's restroom, two stalls in a men's restroom, and two urinals, four sinks in each. You have drinking fountains, or we could substitute with water bottle filling stations here in kind of the main breezeway entry, changing tables, hand dryers, everything that you would need for a restroom facility. Then on the other side of the building, One of the things that we talked about a lot in the community engagement and the master planning process are a lot of the programmatic uses that we're going to have at the park are youth, all ability opportunities with playgrounds, trails, walking paths. And this restroom being located closer to the parking lot was not really intended to be the main restroom facility for the stage and the performance venue itself. It's really, as we discussed in the last time I was here, this is a general everyday use facility. Can it be used during festivals and events? Absolutely, but this is also just for people who generally want to come and walk at the park, pass frisbee, use a future playground. So we did include two family restrooms on this side of the building, also another opportunity for breezeway and bottle filling station. These are also opportunities on some of these walls to mount signage, information, have kiosks about different events and things going on at the park, and even other recreational opportunities in the surrounding area. So that's just kind of an overview of that floor plan and we can look at plans all day But we did spend some time kind of helping you all understand in 3d what this what this all could kind of start to look like So this is a view almost imagine you're in a plane or helicopter kind of out over the river looking down Looking toward the railroad This is a view of kind of how this would all be laid out and starts to kind of give you some scale of the size of the space or standard average height people that are shown in the rendering down there below. And you can kind of start to see how that's all connected into the existing parking lot and even in relationship to where the Gold Star Family Memorial is located. As you start to kind of look at the stage from the lawn side, you will notice there is some elevation change. That's what those steps were representing in the floor plan. The stage is sitting four feet above the finish grade of the lawn area itself. Anybody who's spent a good deal of time out there, Spencer's Landing looks somewhat flat when you're standing out there. It does have a gentle gray to it, but there is quite a few feet of elevation gain from the stage down to the river. So as you go down away from this, it's sloping toward the river itself, but we did want to kind of put the performers a little bit higher so that when you're having a crowd that's sitting in a lawn, if they're sitting on blankets or they're sitting in chairs, the performers are kind of just perched up a little bit higher than the people that are in the crowd. As far as the materials, right now, this is fairly similar to the original rendering and schematic that was shown of the stage during the master planning exercise. And this is kind of some of the feedback and conversation we need to get into tonight. We don't need to pick colors of stone, colors of siding, colors of metal at this point. That's during construction, so metal phase design, But what I do need feedback on is do we like the kinds of materials that we're generally illustrating in these? So we're trying to use natural stone veneer, board and batten siding, and then just painted or colored powder coated steel and metal roofing with a lot of these materials. So as I kind of start to pan around, you did see the restroom that had veneer stone base at the bottom and it had board and batten siding with a slanted metal roof and we're kind of using a lot of those same types of architectural features on the stage itself having the siding on the back of this building and even going back to to this particular view this could be an area that has a backdrop or a screen there's some opportunities for that you know looking at some of the photos from the freedom festival you had nice banners on both sides of the stage you had a screen in behind the performing artists. So this kind of shares a lot of those features of that temporary stage, but will be a permanent structure that saves a lot on maintenance and future install. We did have several ADA parking spaces, which is also what this view is showing, kind of closer to the performance venue. And as this gets built out in the future and you have future restrooms and concession stands, that would be close in proximity to that parking space as well. This is as if you were standing on the stage itself, looking out toward the river, kind of giving you that view in the background, looking toward Ohio. Just trying to, again, pan around the site and give you all different perspectives of what these features will look like. This is the restroom, and it does have kind of more of like a pitched roof from one side to the other, just to not make it just a typical gabled roof. But that's also something, you know, if you guys don't like that, we could go toward a more traditional architectural style. But you can see here what I was referring to earlier, how you have like a little bit of a breezeway. And a lot of that's intended that in the way that we design these restrooms, we don't want the doors just opening up into the main space of the restroom. You want to basically have that door opening up, looking into a wall to provide privacy for people that are using those facilities. So that's kind of, you have this kind of entering breezeway and then you take a left or a right and you have the family restrooms on one side and then you'll have the main restroom area on the other side. This does have a sidewalk that would connect all the way from the Gold Star Memorial down the side of the parking lot and then over to the stage area itself. And that is part of that overall kind of loop trail experience that we've talked about in the master plan. I can go back to that in just a second to kind of show you how some of all that connects. But one of the things that we really tried to focus on with this venue design is just, you know, when it's not being used for a festival or some sort of a concert series, people are just going to come out here and walk. And, you know, whether they're walking their dog or they're on a jog or a run, try to just make sure we have, you know, dedicated pathways throughout. As I said, I'm not here tonight to ask you guys what color siding you like, but this is something I did want to just kind of illustrate. I would tend to lean more towards some of the earth tone colors myself. Our architects just picked the white and kind of the black and gray stone, but There's lots of options with the siding. It doesn't have to be board and batten siding either. I mean, there's a lot of things like that that we can get into and then have some discussion about. But just, again, wanted to kind of talk about some of those items. So before I move on to project budget, I want to talk about, just give you all an opportunity for reactions, questions, comments, feedback on these floor plans, the site plan, and generally kind of the progress where we're at in schematic design right now. Yes, sir.

I believe probably just in his drawing they're there for a visual that's not that's something that we would do as a separate project that most likely Jack would work on if we did put any type of trees or landscaping larger in those areas this would simply just focus on the the building and the actual construction itself it would not we would not put in there for the the landscaping on those extended areas that they're showing trees to be done okay

like urinals and stuff, you go to sporting events and everything for the men's restroom, it's like a big trough. I mean, is that considered or not?

No. They're not doing that anymore, even in sports stadium design. You go to any new arena or stadium and it's, they all have privacy screens. Everybody's, WVU did renovations a couple years ago and they got rid of the troughs.

My next comment is go to the stage. The way that layout is set up, you've got to figure out a way to keep the birds from being able to roost up inside because if anybody goes to the Grand Central Mall, it's plastered with bird droppings. So somehow it's got to be designed on the underneath where it prevents the birds from roosting.

There are specific things we can add to those steel beams. They're kind of like spikes, but they're not, I mean, it's not harmful or anything.

Yeah, they have spikes with a ball like this sticking up, but they're still on them like holy smokes.

But that is something you'll have to take into account. I mean, I wouldn't go to the level of playing evil or hawk sounds, but there's definitely things we can do to try to prohibit some of that. And a lot of that is also just making sure we can kind of eliminate how much we have some of that exposed. We could even do tongue and groove sealing on the bottom side of the stage and not leave exposed beams. That's kind of a design feature that... It may look nice, but you're spot on. It presents a lot of maintenance issues, with birds especially.

We talked about sidewalking, and I noticed down here when I moved, cement doesn't last long. Then when you look at the way they pour cement, it's not like what I was accustomed to with my uncles that poured cement. Up there, you know, they put down rebar, you got fence, you got all kind of stuff. I see driveways that were poured when I was a kid, and I'm 61 now, they're still there. Beer, 10, 15 years, it's gone. So I mean, I hope that when we talk about putting in sidewalks or cement, that you put it in for the long haul. You know what I'm talking about? Do something that's going to last.

Well, so here's what I'll say about that. The concrete mix design, you have to be very careful with what you do with that, and that also has a lot to do with your maintenance routines. If you're using salt on this concrete, it doesn't matter how good you build it or how high quality it is, it's going to erode the concrete.

Oh, I understand that. When you were looking at the sidewalks on Grand Central, I guess Fort Savannah.

So on the same topic, actually, I was sitting here thinking about the sidewalks as well. I know if you go back to the original rendering of the whole park, I know originally we had talked about You can't cost difference between the two as far as, I mean, I'm pretty sure labor intensive than as far as, as far as actually laying it down. Um, and then is there a benefit to having concrete as far as the longevity of it versus asphalt for specifically just the walking trails? I know on the roads, there's a big difference, but for walking trails, is there a big difference there?

Well, that's kind of a tough question because when you look at most like paved rail trails, for example, they're almost exclusively asphalt. But that's also, you're talking about at least a 10 to 11 foot wide path, it's pretty easy for a paver to get down. The smaller pathway you go, the harder it is to maintain and resurface. If you only have a four or six foot wide pathway, over time it becomes kind of difficult to maintain. Concrete's also easy to just patch, whereas asphalt is not. I get asked that question a lot, and even on something as simple as basketball or pickleball courts. We typically recommend concrete because it does last longer. It also provides a smoother, cleaner walking surface than asphalt does, depending on what type of course you're using. For a walking path, you'd want to use a pretty tight-wearing course that doesn't have very large gaps in it. It's also an aesthetic thing. Concrete usually looks a little bit more... institutional and cleaner like you would something you'd see on a college campus whereas asphalt looks more like I usually tend to prefer it on something like trails or something that's out in the woods even so what you but what you've given us this evening those are sidewalks that are used for the stage area and that's not the

any part of the actual walking path that goes around the park itself.

I would do this in concrete because you're going to need a concrete curb here anyway to keep vehicles off of that lawn area. So this sidewalk specifically here, I wouldn't recommend asphalt.

You have heat issues with asphalt too. When I walk on it, the concrete gets hot enough. Somebody barefoot on that asphalt and just...

share the front of the stage please yes sir would it be uh advisable to extend the the main roof to the right and left so that i know we want to keep it open so that it'll you'll have ventilation but if you have rain and even the slightest wind it's going to blow in on the electronic equipment i would say maybe five feet each direction to

Just to kind of close these gaps here. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, I do think that would make a lot of sense. And really, architecturally, it wouldn't be that difficult to make that adjustment.

Problem is, the way prevailing weather comes straight into the face of the stage, it doesn't come. Very rarely, it will come from the north. Right.

It's always going to come from the west and straight into the face of that stage. So Jim wants something that kind of flops down. Yeah.

You can push a button, right, in front of the stage. No, seriously, almost invariably, it's going to come in from that front. If you're on the stage, your front left corner, it's going to come straight in that way.

I don't know how he would know that other than the fact that his house is actually down there.

Yeah. We all know exactly which way the weather comes to each of our homes. Yeah.

It's amazing because it doesn't change.

from the Freedom Festival.

We have screen. True. But, for example, we had an accounting firm who did their promo because they were a sponsor. You could see their painted wall above it. where they were sitting in their office. You couldn't see them because the equipment on the stage blocked everything. So the screen has to be, I don't know how tall the stage is, but if you want at the rear of the stage to be able to see whatever it is that's being displayed, you have to take into account whatever equipment's on the stage because it was useless. That's one thing. Can you do the top view of the stage? And this is, the other thing is the viewing area. So with the green room and the storage room, and the restrooms are behind, at the end, the front of the storage room, I guess, from one of the doors. Is there any opportunity, or would there be any advisability, and I think you guys have thought this out better than I could, but it just seems like, so you're gonna limit the viewing angle of the stage with those, elements, and that might just be the way it is, but that's what occurred to me because, same thing, when we were at the Freedom Festival, I kind of just kept walking around, and I have a comment about the green space behind, and we're gonna talk about the spacing for the trucks and so forth, right, because that was an issue I wasn't part of it, but there was a walk around after the drawings were presented. So that was a question, you know, in terms of the viewing area. And I don't know if you have space to give. You could go to Harry's point in terms of a little bit of, you know, block of weather or something like that. But that was a question I had.

Jim, you were talking about, yeah. Yeah, the wind. So, you know,

not right in front of the stage, you won't be able to see. And so, again, I don't know if that's just anything that can be remediated or not. I always thought a green room or something like that was gonna be behind. So I looked at other stages, but there was a concern of mine that you don't have that more wide-angle view of the stage that I kind of almost expected.

Well, even the very early schematic that's over here on this board, it was more of probably a 45-degree angle where this is like between 15 and 30.

Yeah, so it's an issue to discuss, I suppose, as we're trying to make decisions here. You know, then in terms of, I suppose let's go ahead and go into it. You know, when you said the loading dock and then you've got a ramp. And you said back in the trunk. And then there was a question about, are we talking about a 48-foot van, 53-foot van, or a 26-foot box truck? What's coming in? And what do we need to be able to accommodate? Because all of a sudden, if you have a 53-foot van with a 25-foot tractor on the front of it, you know, and he's trying to angle in there, that's a lot of space. And I think, was that what you were providing for in your original drawings or what kind of accommodation are you making there?

Basically just a box truck. And I had some conversations about that and the ability for, I mean, to get a semi-tractor trailer to back in perpendicular to a loading dock, you're going to need every bit of 120 feet.

And I'm not suggesting we need that. I was just curious because I didn't understand what the original drawing was like. That's not the purpose of my question. But here's the point I want to make, is that with the stage situated, my concerns about the way the stage was situated at the Freedom Festival, first of all, it's too close to Harpersville. You know, and to Henry's point, when you look at the trees that are in your rendering, you know, what do we do to screen it? That's where we have the beer jail, okay? had this fenced in six foot fence and behind you had to go in the jail to get a beer. But in any event, and I realize it will change that landscape, it was all gravel and it was full of water and all kinds of terrible things. But it was also right up against Harper's building, which is an industrial building. And so the orientation of the stage and also seemingly pointing straight out versus angled more toward open expanse, especially if we've got those sides on it. Yeah, so angling it more to, as we're looking at it, to the left, so you have a more expansive view than going straight on. But then in terms of the space in front of it, it's huge, right? We have the stage. We have probably 10 to 15,000 people, all right, at the Saturday night concert with Smash Mouth, right? They were lined up, then behind that we had an 80 by 120, 10, that we had the animal show in. That was in that field. And then behind, what an 80 by 120? 40. 40 by 120. 40 by 120, okay. Well, 120 goes a long way toward the river, right? So that's the measurement. And then behind that, we had another 30 by 40. And then we still had two and a half, three acres till you got to the river, okay? where this stage is if you want to give a little more up plus being that close to the tracks that close to harper's building all right and that orientation straight ahead are all three things i have a problem with all right so that's my book so you're always saying for this when you get the stage i'll put it in a 45 minute i mean consider it anyway you know because again you've got all that room if you go back to the master plan So if you look, you can get a sense of the scale. And then the covering that's rendered in there, which is more like the bird air covering, right, Jack? Yeah. Isn't that what's portrayed there, rendered there? What's the size of it?

Square footage or height or whatever? Square footage. I think it was around 20,000 square foot, that whole path was.

So dimensions in terms of width and depth. Depth, 60 feet at the most?

That's probably closer to 70 to 80 feet. I'd say you're looking at, based off that stage diagram, you're probably...

120 150 feet sure so if you look at your your your marked out green space behind right so that 30 by 40 tent did not reach your back line and that was in you know behind or off to the side and behind of the 120 foot tent so if you get that to scale you're going to find you got a huge amount you got space to give and then in this rendering you see harper's building and you have those trees there which i think we absolutely need and i think we should So, you know, that trail again, right up against it. And also, the right away for the railroad is 25 foot from the center of the tracks, right? West toward the, into the, okay? And that's gonna be past the ballast of the tracks. You know, that sidewalk, that close to those tracks, and we have no fence, you know, I think we could give some ground there too, all right? We've still got that, you know, the tower there that's dead, but it used to be the three-faced tower for Daniel. And the, you know, that's gone in this rendering. You know, we use that jack. Oh, okay.

It was just behind Sam.

You know, and I kind of like it. And we used it for banners and display. deal it could be the pure self yeah that's the that's the watchtower you could put a zipline yeah from the top of it right your attorney i recommend against it we're asking russ anyway i just think we have some space to give into some consideration When I was down there, I walked everything for an hour and a half just trying to understand. There was plenty of room for everybody for everything that was going on. The vendors, the carnival, the place where the parachute

on real quick with what Mr. Lee was talking about there. If we can go back to the front of the stage, please. I like the comment about the screen because that was something I noticed as well. But something else that kind of hit me, and I do agree, feathering those out to maybe 45 or whatever the two wings to kind of give us a more better viewing area but also I don't know if we would be able to get a screen on either side or have the width to have you know just a projector screen or something that that pop you know we can pop down or something like that on the to allow for you know every time we go to a concert people are saying you

But we want to be doing front projection. Anything that has to be set up has to be set up for rear projection of this. So we can't put screens on the outside to shoot this way. Because it all has to be rear projection.

And if you're just angling it out, the size of the backdrop is going to stay the same.

going to mean 10 feet or so. Okay. So, and maybe that's big enough, but you know, whenever you go to a concert, they've got the stages up on the side of the screen. So the people saying way in the back can actually see what's going on on stage. So I would think those would have to be a little wider and then have a screen or something. It's pointing out to the, you know, pointing out to the side. That's, I didn't know if that was something, does that make sense? Is that, you know, you're saying you want to go see George.

I'm not saying that we include that in this.

I understand that they don't have anything to do with the screens, but I'm just saying would we need to incorporate that possibly into the design to have the ability to put the screen there if it were something where we wanted to have the screen?

And coming from projection, That's rear projection. There's no way to do rear projection on the left and right-hand side.

Unless you put them up on top. That'd be a temporary thing anyway, right?

No, it's just something per use. Like if you had a big-name guy coming in, you were expecting a pile of humans to sit in that lawn and watch it.

Then they would set that up to the left or right of the facility itself.

I'm not bringing this up to really, I'm just making sure and trying to understand if that's something that needs to be thought out before we kind of sign off on the final design.

Well, I don't think, I think to the mayor's point, you know, unless you're going to kind of cordon off an area right adjacent to the stage where you could do front projection, I don't know how you're going to do that on those building walls itself. I think you're going to end up with, like in this situation, if I can go back to the site plan for a second, you would have, depending on what we do exactly with the restroom, concession area over here, there would even be some opportunities to do a screen kind of catty corner on the side of the stage. You could have one big screen. You wouldn't need screens on both sides. I don't think those building wing walls are big enough for a screen anyway. You're going to need a screen that's probably 20 feet wide, and those are only 10. I would hate to see you all increase the building cost for something that really is just going to get used in your big events anyway. If you have a small performance, those guys aren't going to have screens. It's just going to be a band up there with their sound equipment.

And screens are always going to be an add-on. They always are. They come in, they set them up, they tear them down, and they always go to the left or right if you're doing it in that fashion. But it's not typically something that is part of your stage area. This is an expansion of, but not part of the stage area. And it's always done through projection. They never do anything front loaded to be able to do that.

I think we need to make sure we have a dedicated space for something like that. And to the point of some of the other conversations I've had about planning ahead, making sure we have electrical capacity and conduits to reach those areas in the future. That's kind of what I was saying.

If it's going to happen, if it's something that we're expecting to before it's on. Just Christmas vacation.

So Sam, moving past this, can you show us the option for the bathrooms?

Okay, let's go to bathroom number one, the restroom. I like the fact that it's mirroring a little bit of the stage and doesn't have a sloped roof. And I always wanted to make sure that everything complements one another. of issue, but I like that. The one thing I did notice is that in your drone, you didn't have sidewalk all the way around the building. Go to the front of the stage that you're showing. I'm glad you mentioned about you'll have in the design that we'll be able to put banners on the side. And I'm assuming since that'll be a design like that, you'll also be able to hang up speakers and lights and all that stuff that goes with concerts, correct?

Yeah, that would be part of the structural design of the

And then the backdrop in the back, you mentioned that already, so I'm glad you mentioned that. In the back, whether it'll be a screen or some sort, it'll be there, so that's good. I like the idea that Jim mentioned about having it high enough so people can see it, because of the equipment and stuff. I know there are some of our vendors, our sponsors, they like to see their name up there and they like to see their commercial. So that's good. And the other thing, the two other thing is what's going to be underneath the

to it because it's elevated? It's in the floodplain so we're going to have to leave it as a crawl space that has free-flowing, basically you'd have to have like louvers to allow the water to pass through.

Okay, so and that would be, you'll have a vapor barrier or whatever you put down, it won't be concrete or anything?

Right. Well, we could do a concrete floor under there to keep it cleaner and easier to maintain, especially if you've got equipment and stuff. That's kind of what I was thinking.

How high would that be? Did you say four feet? Four feet, yeah. Something like that, okay. So that may be an opportunity for another area for storage. And then lastly, I think, for right now, from your experience on the green room, is that appropriate? to take a break where there may be food there?

Let me talk about the green room a little bit. What we have shown on the diagram would basically be only for your sound and video operations, and then it has a little break room for the staff that are manning that room. This would not be a dressing room or any kind of a break area for the band itself. So that is something, if we want to discuss adding that to the program, that also really depends on, and I don't know how they did that at Freedom Fest. I assume that they're just hanging out on their bus until they come out on stage. I mean, that's what they do at a lot of small venues where they don't have... Camper trailers. Yeah. So that's something we can talk about. But when I'm calling it a green room, that's not, that's just like your operational side of the house. That's not.

So you talked about a separate building then to have something like that?

It could still be part of this structure, but I think we need to, as we're talking about how we're widening, you know, these wings out and changing these angles, I think we need to look at the depth of the stage and where we would add another room like that if it's something you are interested in making sure is part of the structure. What would be the typical size for that? You're probably looking, I'd say you're probably in a 200 to 400 square feet or something like that. I mean, depending on how big we make it, if we add another bathroom to it, adding another bathroom wouldn't be a tremendous cost because we've already got one and the utility's over here.

And the question is, how often is that going to be used? We have to stay focused on what the intent is, what the purpose is, of this is going to be. We can chase a thousand options all day long. But at some point, my friends, we have to make a decision on what we're doing. Because we can make this bigger, make that bigger, and by the time this project gets done, we're looking at $15 million because we've added that. we have to stay focused let's focus on what the intent is what the purpose is and move forward with what the overall project and concept is and that's what same has brought us to see now can i stop my two thumbs down can you hear me can you break it up i can't hear you can you hear me

I can hear you.

Am I breaking up, Amy?

Just a little bit. I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

That was a good one. Look, that's taken a lot of practice over the years to get it right. But here, let me put the speaker up there.

I just have a couple comments to make. Well, I have a couple questions to begin with. I haven't heard anything in the meeting. There was a lot of discussion about the geotechnical investigation and everything. Has that all been done and was everything okay with that?

No, we're holding off on the drilling until we pin down these structures and where they're going.

Okay. Second, as far as the drawings go, it seems to me, especially in the restaurant, it looks very imposing for the area, for the space. And I know this is a design aesthetic that will come more in the design phase, but I'd like to see something that meshes more with the environment that doesn't stand out so much like a sore thumb. And I know the materials have made a lot of difference, but I don't know if there's anything as far as designing the building later in the process. The other thing question I had, in the original drawing on the agenda, the stage I think was 30 by 40. Are you saying in this drawing it's larger?

It's, right now, we're about 30 by 40.

Yeah, I just have a concern about that being too small, especially at 30 feet of width. I mean, when you have a large band up there, and you have a large drum set, and you have multiple musicians and singers, to me, and I know that's what this decided when I said the Green Impressible, but it just seems like that may be a little limiting for the types of corners and nights of the out in the future the only question i had um was the green room and you just were talking about that but the size of that and i don't know what that means but i mean the drawing with the restroom in the space and that um can't be used you know whatever we decide to do that just seems like it's a She's small in the area.

Did you hear the explanation that he gave? It's like a control center. It's like a control center.

I did. He was cutting out some.

I just wanted to echo. The explanation that he gave to Rod, and I'm just giving this to you so you can hear it clearly, is that when he uses the term green room, it is not a green room design in the sense of having the van go back, hang out, eat, relax, kick back. in between shows or before shows. This is a room that would be for stage staff and various support staff to be able to work from, and the intent would be that they would still have access to their buses and personal tour vehicles to be in before and after the program.

Okay. So we'll be working on what we want to do with that. The other question I have, and I'd like to say that what Mr. Beach was saying, all of those things that he had concerns about, I would like to say that I agree with him on those. I especially wonder about the size of the turnaround area behind the stage. I don't know if it's necessary for it to be that wide and if that can be cut down any, because that's... on the space they can use for other things, especially if you didn't need to add an actual green room or if you wanted to increase the size of the space. The other thing I want to say is that throughout this process, even way back from the time that the Rubens from Vassar plan was approved, there was talk of focus groups and programming exercises for council to input into this process and input into this design, so to speak. I don't remember this group happening. I don't remember any programming exercise. But I think that maybe that's needed now to kind of fine-tune things that we want to see and we want to happen down there. And I know that in the past, as Michael has talked about, you know, making sure that we're looking at what we want in the multi-purpose area and planning on things that are going to be incorporated and will be beneficial to them in the future, as well as the remainder of the development of Spencer C&D. So I just want to see us be able to take all that into consideration. And I think a focus group or some kind of programming exercise would be good.

for us to put the finishing touches and wants and needs on this project so i will address some of those questions or statements that you've made again we can meeting and committee this process to death if we can be two years from now and no and no closer uh we've had these meetings meetings even before we took office when the original plan and focus groups were there. We have gotten past several of these things to be able to get to where we are. I truly believe that we need to, again, focus on our intent, focus on what the master plan laid out, and then be able to take steps to move forward. I believe it would be taking steps back if we continue to go back and stretch have continued to discuss. We just ran on Robin over and over and over again. So with that, we can stay here all evening and talk about things, but Sam, I really want... Okay, I'm going to move on to let...

I'm going to let... Yeah.

I mean, even though we agreed on the master plan and supported them back in 25, you know, every time the pressure came to us, They could say that it's just a conceptual plan and changes to be made in time. There was never a seven stone plan. So I just like to see us ensuring that everything that we want and that everything that everyone said is taken into consideration.

I completely understand that. Mr. Leach, did you have anything else to add?

I'll say this just from this point of the stage side. So I just said, I just asked Claude. I said, hey Claude, what is an adequate size of the stage for a small city venue that brings bands such as Smash Mouth one to three times a year? Fair question, right? That's what we just did. For venue booking national touring acts such as Smash Mouth Theater, established names for six musicians, played at the Siena's Fair, small city amphitheaters. Minimum 32 wide, 24 deep, and 40 by 32. Performance area, though, goes on to say. A five-piece rock band needs roughly 24 by 16 clear playing space. Drum rhymes are usually eight foot by half high. Center, rear, guitar, bass, keys spread across the front. But wings. Rhymers with this tier almost always ask for an eight by eight or larger wing space on each side for monitor console, guitar tech, gear staging. If your deck is only 32 wide, the wings come out of playing space. And so it goes on. So, you know, they're extra flexible and so on. But so these are the things that we saw because, for example, even with the tribute band, the Journey Band, they had their guitar player, then they had their console, and both of them had control consoles on the wings.

Who did you ask you as you were passing them?

Oh, Claude. It's just an invaluable tool to get this type of information. It tells us in a heartbeat, this is what they look for. So out of what I read here, the biggest question I would say is addressing this wing space to permit this gear that they want in order for their you know, for them to, and again, one to three times, but I, and I agree with what the mayor said, you know, that at some point you make decisions, you have to prioritize based on your budget, but we also only get one opportunity to do this, okay, and so if these things that should be considered, and I got, I sent this, and quite frankly, you know, I sent this to Lindsay today, I sent it to Rick Modison today, I got an email in here from Rick, he had some questions, you know, and Rick has spent He books bands. He's at stages all the time. He's a resource. And I don't know what he said yet. Let me see if I can find it. I don't know what he said. Anyway, so I think this is great. I think the design concept, everything, these tweaks is all we're talking about. And they're just considerations. And you say, Jim, great idea. You want to spend another $300,000 on that? No. I mean, again... Okay, but it's fair conversation right now. That's what this meeting's about.

It is, and that's why I'm here. So I don't want anybody to think that feedback is not welcome because these are all good points that you all brought up, and I think that there's a lot of room for improvement here on our plan. So this is great. This is a good conversation. There are financial considerations that we're going to talk about next, and I think that that's where we will need feedback on what we're going to prioritize.

Harry, would you like to go ahead? Okay.

I just want to thank you for putting it all together and prioritizing the things that are important. And I want to say that these seven people up here are going to make the decision. And I don't think it makes any sense to have a focus group of people that have no clue as to what's going on here. and say they have all the dreams and things that they want, but they don't understand the budget. You have prepared a plan that fits our needs and may not have everything that a focus group or somebody else would want, but it is within what is reasonably possible to get done, and I really appreciate the time that you've put in to make this happen.

Thank you.

Do you know that offhand?

Yeah, I do. It was an SL260 stage. I looked it up to make sure the main stage was 32 feet wide, 24 feet deep. But if we got extensions on the side of it, it made it 56 foot wide and 32 foot deep.

And how did that work for our vans?

Well, the extensions are just basically an area that we ran into with like Home Free where they stored all their gear. all their cases and everything, which I'm guessing those side wings or the one side wing would be there. And then across the back, you have a storage area.

And that's pretty comparable in this area. It's close. We've got here.

I think we could probably go a little bit wider once we adjust the viewing angles. That's going to give you some of that extra room that we're looking for anyway.

Would that possibly be a way to create that?

Yeah, because we're already at 40 feet across the front. I mean, it's not that in the back because of that angle, but we can widen it out in the front, maybe even bump a little bit out in the back.

All right, and then lastly, and I just wanted to throw my two cents here, just because I mainly love to argue with Mr. Leach. I do want to throw my two cents in, though. As far as the orientation of the stage, I actually like the way it's facing out kind of directly towards the river. I think once we kind of open up those wings a little bit, Even if we made that right wing almost parallel with our property line, because it is kind of angular towards the river. If we open that right wing up, like it is in the rendering, it's kind of angled parallel with the property line, something like that. I do think that actually serves the area better. So I just wanted to throw that out there.

I do want to react to that comment real quick, yours and Mr. Leach's comment about the orientation. One of the things that I felt like has really been controlling us is making sure that it's facing the river where most of the crowd is going to be, but also not forcing crowds to be gathered around a memorial and monument space. That's one thing I just try to keep in mind is we don't, that needs to be separate of any event space. It's there for a reason. So if we angle at all, I think it needs to be very slight. Not that we can't make a change, but I do think widening it out is going to give you a bigger view shed. And really just trying to make sure we're taking advantage of this space inside of this walkway. Because we don't want people really, I don't think, hanging out over there during concerts.

You wouldn't have a real time. I agree with that.

I'd just like to add one more thing about that. Is that, yeah, we're focusing on this, but let's not forget the glow in the home. If we move the stage too far out, you are starting to take some of the space away when we bring 10 hot air balloons in, plus two balloons that are... tethered where people have room, right? So I want you to keep that in mind as well. So if somehow we could find a balance in that where we have the stage in an appropriate spot, but it also allows us to have other events that the stage is not really the center point.

When is your hot air balloon event? October. It's in October.

Okay. I have a question. Mine's to keep you guys on track a little Just give me a second. So we talked about the optional bathroom. Do you have a schematic or diagram for that? Do you have a rough idea of approximately where that would be placed, where the master plan is?

So some of the feedback that I had asked about was whether or not that needed to include a concession space, and I got some feedback that it probably did, even if it wasn't used as a concession, but even like a retail vendor space for the band selling their merchandise. We need to really zero in on that program, and I will admit it's also not part of our scope right now. So I'm happy to throw that in as just a rough schematic design as part of our current scope, but I can't do any more detailed design work on that structure.

So this is what council has before. And this is what I'm saying, I'm trying to stay on track. I'm with you. So we have exhibits A, B, and C, which are three diagrams that you've essentially gone over, and you have an option for exhibit for B, which I don't have a diagram, but. So the way I've drafted the resolution is that you can vote to approve A, B, C, and this exhibit, authorize the drawing of the exhibit, author the project, send it out for bid, and have a bid for A, B, and C as it's drafted. and then have an option that would go out with the same bid for this optional bathroom. So the bid would look like, you know, we're soliciting bids for projects A, B, and C. With that bid, we would like you to also solicit or to submit a bid for an option in D. Give us numbers for A, B, and C. Give us numbers for D. And then it comes back to council, and council could say, well, we're going to approve A, B, and C, and then decide if you want to approve options. same project and it could be considered by the same builders if that makes sense and that's the way right yes and also so you're not piecemealing this and what have you so but you have the option when it comes to approving for the construction cost of having phase one or not phase one you have a b and c option d right so when you look at it you can go we want that's why i was asking what is the rough bathroom you pointed to the structure there it's a bathroom concession area how much extra would it cost to just give a rough design of what this would look like for council or can you just tell them tonight what it would look like so that they can consider whether they want to approve a b and c with the option or a b and c and deal with the option at some distance later today so i i have some general concerns

I just want to make sure we're all on the same page about. So right now, we are under contract for survey, geotechnical investigation, and design. We're not under contract for bidding or construction administration. So you all can authorize us to go to bid, but that would also mean you need to authorize us to give you a proposal for bidding and construction administration.

or would that be something that would have to be done?

Just to give you a schematic floor plan, we can do that for $1,000. I'll just tell you that right now.

Or you just kick it in.

I've actually already offered that in this conversation. I'm serious. I mean, a schematic floor plan, we have interns for another couple weeks, so I can get something done pretty quick.

And the only reason I'm saying that is because what we have tonight, we can start with the project with A, B, C, and D, and then decide later who

You know, you don't have to hit automatic flushes, the water automatic, those little mushrooms. Those are, we're not that far along.

I mean, those are good questions. Those are things I'm going to ask at some point in our design. But, I mean, there's pros and cons to all those fixtures and equipment.

Did you have more presentations? I have a budget presentation.

Because at the end of the day, that's the deciding factor on all of this. We have a budget. We've set a budget in place. And I believe we owe it to the residents of Vienna to be respectful of that and stay within that left and right parameter.

So I have prepared a line item cost estimate that I will hand out to you all to study. I did not put this entire 30 line item cost estimate in my presentation. I have it more summarized. But I do want to just kind of go through and talk about where the money in this design is being spent. So this is, if you all didn't make any changes to what we talked about tonight, this is what is in our current design. We have the stage roughly at $870,000, the restroom at $605,000, and then the site development for 1.3. So that puts your construction subtotal at 2.8. We would never recommend you all move into a construction project, award a contract without holding some sort of contingency in place. Changes are going to happen. You're going to have unforeseen conditions. We try to keep, you know, a practice that if we have change orders, they should be within 5% of the bid that we received. But we usually allow that 10% because sometimes you all also make changes during construction. So that 10% contingency, $280,000. I took the bidding and construction administration fee from the original proposal I gave you all that we tabled, and I just said $75,000 pulled out of that. That's a placeholder for now. So that puts your soft cost at $355,000. So that puts us at $3,155,000, which is our opinion of cost. Those are not bid prices. We have to still bid this thing out. We did very similar projects to these buildings just at the end of last year, and the Iran war is definitely changing things. There's always escalation, always inflation, always cost increases, but these buildings I feel are reasonably comfortable with the pricing that I'm giving you, where we're at now based on their square footage, the type of construction that they're at. I know it is hard to hear that a restroom building is going to cost $600,000 when you can build a home for a fraction of that. But it's not a public project. It doesn't require the payment performance bonds that public projects require, the labor and skilled craftsmanship for commercial construction. So when you see these numbers, it is hard for people to wrap their head around how something can cost that much money. But I can also show you countless bit dabs from public municipal projects in West Virginia where this is what the stuff costs to build. So here is kind of where we're at. This is higher than my shoot from the hip estimate on what this was going to cost when I was in front of you all months ago. This is based off all of the site work, utility work, which the utility work is a pretty significant part of this. The paving work, which we've talked about eliminating some of the parking area, you all have a ton of asphalt paving in this. Probably well over in concrete sidewalks and asphalt paving, you have probably $200,000 just in those landowners. So there are substantial places that we can cut this to get it closer to a budget that we want it to be in, but this is where we are at with the current design.

And when you say current design, that does not

the things that you've shown us that's right in the bathroom that we have now is around a 1,100 square foot restroom facility that concession stand bathroom wouldn't be a ton more than that because we're we probably wouldn't have you know the two family restrooms but it would be I think it would still be over 2,000 square feet

It includes everything that's shown in this record.

All of this concrete paving around the stage, the loading docks, the ramps, all of the asphalt paving, food truck parking area, electrical hookups, sewer hookups, water. This is the whole kit and caboodle.

Yeah, but I mean, something to think about too. The main piece that you're initially worried about makes you get a raise to the stage. Everything else is going to then build off this stage. So if you do the stage right and the area right, then the rest could come later. I mean, in the interim, until you get more funds and that's going to be the issue, use port-a-johns. I mean, think about it. I mean, if you're going to build up to something, if you can't get it all in one swoop, you can do it over time.

So we're not approving of

That's correct. No money is being spent. No construction contracts are being solicited or awarded. This is just simply to approve a design concept that will be fleshed out and submitted prior to. We haven't even gotten to the point where we've paid them to solicit the bid yet.

So in that respect, you intend to tweak that stage design based on some of the feedback that you have. We want to proceed.

I think I need to come back next month and do a condensed version of this discussion that just shows you what I changed.

Right now you're just

says so that you can decide whether or not you want to do it. You have A, B, and C, which are the things that you've seen tonight. Except it's A, B, and C. You have an option that is also in there. So I'm assuming if you want to vote on A, B, and C and include the option, you vote for the resolution as it's been presented. If you want to vote for just A, B, and C and deal with the option later, somebody needs to move to amend the resolution to disclude the option Well, this is just, you're approving this command. The basic layout of it. Yeah. Where's the bathroom? It's changed to the, it's moved down here. That's why I asked. Is that going to affect the cost, Eddie, to move the bathroom from where it was in the drawing that was given to us, which is between the memorial there and that curb? It's a big cement sidewalk. I got some.

That's why I just asked. Do we need to amend the exhibit?

This is the restroom floor plan that we've showed you.

As long as we understand that that's what we're voting on. Because we can just pop the drawing in that he's used there. That's why I asked.

we approve moving forward with the plan so that we can get this thing going exactly as it is. That allows them to get the plans for everything generally. It doesn't mean we're spending any money on building anything. We can move forward with the plan. So I'm here to approve the resolution.

And we've done that. Is that with the option or without?

We already have a motion and a second. If we're not making any We're not making any amendments.

If you're making an amendment to get rid of the optional baton, the second baton, okay, you want to move it just as it is. It's been moved and seconded just as it is.

And going into this, Sam, that you're going to come back next month with the adjustments that you've heard from.

And I can have the other floor plan prepared for you all that we're going to throw in. All right. Great.

Mr. Smith, would you poll the council?

Yes, Congressman Dittzler. Yes, Congressman Dittzler.

He got promoted. Congratulations.

I'm sorry about that. Mr. Leach, that way. Yes. Mr. Morrison. Yes. Marion. Yes. Councilwoman Riggs. Yes. Councilman Sasson. Yes. And I beg your pardon. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you.

Good job. Ms. Rich. All right. Well, that ends the half hour stream of what I thought. Well, I'm trying to keep me on the focus there. Big boy, that's a good point. Hey, but good use of AI. I like that. That was good. That's the last item that we have on the agenda. Moving on to report, standings, and committees.

Go ahead. Budget finance meeting August 4th.

Next Monday at 5.30.

Is there anything else in addition to that on the agenda that you know of? Thank you.

I don't know of anything that's on the agenda at this point.

All right, thank you. Let's see, we've got... Moving on to anything else? Just council comments. Do you want to read the thank you note from Prince of Vienna?

Yes. The Prince of Vienna. Vienna's council members, the Prince of Vienna, thank you for your generous sponsorship of the Freedom Festival and for helping our community celebrate our nation's 250th anniversary. Your support made it possible to provide a fun, safe, and memorable event for thousands of families and visitors. With sincere appreciation, the Friends of Vienna.

I would like to bring to everybody's attention. We have a new event that's coming to Vienna that we have never had before and it's been spearheaded by Mr. Leach and he has put considerable time, energy, and effort into it and I'm very thankful for that. But we have an upcoming event on Saturday, August 29th, which marks something new in never done before in the City of Vienna. It is the inaugural City of Vienna Mayor's Invitational Cup presented by the Friends of Vienna. We're bringing together players of all skill levels for a full day of mixed doubles pickleball at Jackson Park and Pool. And as the last match rounds up, they're capping the day off with something that is a first as well. It is an inaugural poolside reception and barbecue that will be held with the Polo Club doing the catering and such as they award the very first Mayor's Cup. There will be free childcare for those individuals and it's highlighted potty trained and up to be able to be provided, which again, Mr. Leach has coordinated and got all of that together. Vienna residents will get the first access to register for this event so keep your eye out on social media as we post all of this out i am looking very forward to this event now when jim brought it to me i thought it was great and he's put a lot of effort into it with jack and friends of vienna behind it so we're going to see an excellent event come from this so if you're not on the courts we hope to at least see you poolside august 29th now Let me say one quick note. My wife is due somewhere in between that date and that date.

So you're not going to qualify for free child care. I'm not going to qualify for free child care on that one. I'm going to include golf. Golf? That's the hint. That's the hint.

We even have our very own logo that has been put into that. But it's things like this that make Vienna great. And I believe we are truly blessed with a council such as we have that are willing to actually get involved and do the work. Not many cities can you look around and you see that individual council members

willing to take the lead and do such great work on behalf of their city so i'm thankful for the work that each of you do uh and we look forward to great times did you have something else to add yes not to add i have something else okay not that not that you're done i'm done all right so uh just one and uh uh just wanted to announce that the at McDonough Wildlife Refuge. This is an event free to all school-aged children. It's actually a great time for kids to come out and have a nature hike. They find different items in nature. Everybody gets a medal. It's a really fun event. We've had about 200 to 300 kids come out every single year. And it's just... It's been a really fun thing to see. The kids really enjoy it. So if you've got kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews, bring them out to the McDonough Wildlife Refuge August 7th. It starts at 10 a.m. and will go until about 1 p.m. We'll have bus rides that take you up to the top of the hill. And I just wanted to take a second to just kind of throw in a plug here. This is being put on by the Wood County Prevention Coalition. I know you all heard me talk about it before, but we're really wanting a buy-in from the community. We're really looking for those agencies that are out there that are already existing that are doing great things for the community. We would love to bring those individuals or organizations into our coalition. That's really what it is, is It's a coalition, it's a group of organizations that are really focused on positive youth development. And the more organizations we can get involved in this coalition, the stronger our coalition will be, and ultimately the stronger our community will be. So if you know any groups out there that are interested in joining, that are already doing good work for teens and school-age students, we would love to have you in our coalition as well.

Anyone else? Just a reminder, tomorrow we're doing a collection for flood items at the 30th Street Police Garage. We'll be collecting items from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. We're doing a one-day push to be able to get items to them quickly. I know there's other agencies that are doing it for a loan, but the communication I have had with these municipalities affected is they need stuff now. So we're going to do an initial push to what we can get and get it to the areas that impacted from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Vienna was truly blessed not to have been hit the way that other communities have been. And I've always believed that I would want neighboring communities to help us if we needed it. So in part, we need to help them when they need help. So if there's nothing else, this Hey, Melvin.