Council - Regular Meeting

because I I usually set it like set it to start. So I said this to start all the time at like 628. So [clears throat] I have to go over and manually do it. So I was just curious if anybody last month when I watched her before I think [clears throat] it started.

Yes. It says okay. [clears throat]

Is everybody signed in tonight that want to Gosh, did I put one of these on your desk by accident? You've been through these, haven't you?

You can. I've been there. Oh, that's right. You did. I could remember. So many of them. These are

Okay. It's uh 6:30. We'll call the meeting to order. Start off with roll call. Council person here. Council person Vendel here. Council person Bask here. Council person Schumer here. Council person Johnson here. We'll start off tonight with a pledge of allegiance to have that led by our veterans.

He wasn't veterans deleted. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat]

Okay. Uh public input James and this will just be the public input. The next one for the budget amendment he'll do right before budget. There was no nobody signed in for the budget amendment. Okay, perfect.

Okay. Uh James Horny, 2675 Madison Lane. I'd like to address some troubling issues I've been witnessing here in Urbana City Council meetings, which seem to be escalating these last months. It seems that there's been a deterioration of respect for citizens of Urbana and lately also a direct lack of respect for a couple of council members that the citizens of Urbana elected to represent them in these council meetings. And on August 27th, after the vote to purchase a property at two Union Avenue, city administrator Jennifer Birkhart chastised council members Scott Huber and Randy Johnson for voting no on the resolution. What authority does she have to chastise elect council members? Whom gave her such powers? We elect the city mayor to run the council meetings. And even the mayor doesn't have the authority to reprimand city council members for how they choose to vote. In the October council meeting on October 8th, under the guise of a fire department report, Trent Kramer interrogated Councilman Scott Hubert publicly in the middle of a regular council meeting. Not one council member, not one council member or the mayor bothered to speak up on Scott's defense or to simply say that council members should not be spoken to with that level of disrespect in the council meeting. All this was after the city administrator called the sheriff's office and reported Scott for trespassing because he walked up to a city-owned building and looked at the paint. She stated in the last meeting she didn't know who it was that trespassed, but the police report clearly indicates that she gave them Sky Huber's name along with former council member Arman Martin as the trespassers when she called. [clears throat] She has their phone numbers, yet she chose to call the police and waste their time rather than showing Scott and Armen just a little respect and asking them directly what they were looking at on the property.

Everyone that attends council meeting should be treated with respect. It's the responsibility of the mayor and all the council members to ensure that they are anytime any person is being treated disrespectfully, it should be stopped immediately, called out, and if city employee speaking here in their official capacity, it should be followed up with consequences to ensure that it doesn't happen here. Thanks. [clears throat] Okay, going with the consent agenda. Motion to approve or any questions before that? I make a motion to approve. I'll second. [clears throat]

Been moved and second to approve the consent agenda. Any more discussion? Now we'll vote. Council person Baski. Yes. Council person. Yes. Council person Bendle. Yes. Council person Johnson. Yes. And council person Huber. Yes. [clears throat] We'll go on with our public hearing. Make a motion to enter into the public hearing at 6:35. Second. Been moved and second to open the public hearing. [clears throat] There will vote. Council person Ben. Yes. Council person Hubert. Yes. Council person Johnson. Yes. Council person House. Yes. And council person Basky.

Yes. There have been any uh comments on the public hearing that's come through the office. Um there was that came through to Amanda. Okay.

Yeah. I had some questions about um the numbers. So, I met with the resident um to go through that and then bring back some questions from that meeting since I didn't have it in front of me during that meeting. Um after looking through those questions, um everything aligns and has been followed up with. Okay. Any more comments?

A motion [clears throat] to close public hearing. Second. Been moved and second to close the public hearing. Any [clears throat] more comments? No. Council person Johnson? Yes. Council person Basky. Yes. Council person. Yes. Council person uh Cuber. Yes. And council person Ble. Yes. Second council. Item B, public hearing on budget number one. [clears throat]

Um, you did, can I back up just for one second? um for staff reports or were you we good on [clears throat] we're good on five? Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Staff report. Um wasn't sure if anyone had questions regarding the staff reports. Otherwise, I think Alicia Meyer is here. Al, did you want to introduce your new um board member for the library? Yeah, we come up and give you a little little update here for the library. That's great.

So, we had 422 book checkouts in October, 16 programs in October. All staff completed the stop the bleed training with Ben County Public Health and received a tourniquet kit. So I think that's really important. Uh the Canopy streaming app went live. So that actually provides free access to the Urbana patrons um to thousands of movies and shows and documentaries. So that's I think a great service for our town. So feel free to check that out on the website. And our director successfully completed all the classes and testings for state endorsement. So that's a huge deal. Um endorsement will be given in March during the state library meeting. So that that would mean that we would have a you know an official library in the state size. So that's that's a huge milestone that's been years

and that was over like what 70 or 80 hours I think that she had to complete.

So that's a that's a big deal. That's been years in the making. And then uh we completed the state annual survey and our bandana public library had 19,000 patron visits and saved the community over $126,000 uh in for borrowing instead of buying in fiscal year 25. So really happy with how how things are progressing down there. And then uh we have some upcoming events. We have weekly interactive activities and include STEM programming and new sensory programming. So a lot of kids are really into these these sensory kits. That's really cool to see. Um, every Friday is coffee and conversation. Fourth Friday is the memory cafe. And there's weekly take and bake crafts right inside the front door. And there will be some uh tannure [clears throat] place programming. Any questions on that? And then otherwise, I'd like to we'd like to nominate Alicia Meyer here to to join the board and in the vacancy. You want to get a little bit about yourself?

Um, my name is Alicia Meyer and I live over in Richland here. I have lived here since 2002 21 and um I was previously part of the parks board. Uh really like to stay involved um really believe in the library. So I'm excited to be a part of it if I get voted in. But uh yeah I I don't know. I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody has. And I think we did this last time, right? Do we do we do [snorts] a resolution for her or was that something that you guys do? I I don't

It just requires council approval. It doesn't have to be a resolution. I think we should be able We should be able to approve it tonight. Simple motion. I'll approve Alicia as a library board trustee. I'll second it. [clears throat] Been moved in a second to appoint Lisa Meyer to the uh library board. Is there any more discussion? If not, we'll vote. [cough] Council person, yes. Council person Baski, yes. Council person Johnson, yes. Council person Huber, yes. And Council Person Bendle, yes. Okay, congratulations. Thank you.

And then Shane Wixs is here. He's the new city engineer at Holland Hall. He's not new to Holland Hall though, so some of you may know him. Do you want to introduce yourself or share anything with the company? Yeah, as Jennifer said, uh Shane Wick and I've been with Paul Hall now as one on 30 years. I've been the city engineer in Fairfax for 17 years. I have quite a bit of municipal experience. I've done a little bit of work, you know, kind of on the outside with the city of Ravana. So, but I haven't been facing the map here for a few years and then John. So, I'll be stepping in now. You see me at the meetings.

So, it'll be you here instead of John.

Yep. That's correct. Yep. And I guess you know there's a staff report if you guys have any questions you know you happy to you know answer them. the uh you just a little bit of an update from his reports at the pump house [clears throat] and aggregate storage tank. They were supposed to be shot creating I think yesterday and today the last layer on on this aggregate storage tank and then uh with the weather we're having they're hoping to paint on Friday and Saturday the winds aren't too much and then they'll be pretty much wrapping up with the the tank. Um, I think the low is going to be next spring, but other than that, everything in the patient pretty much finalized. We're going to do a walk through Friday morning on the inside of the tank. And, uh, for [clears throat] the pump house, they're doing the sewer and water main installation. I think they board underneath the trail yesterday. And they're getting sewing water brought up to where the pump house will be. with the weather. They'll probably be doing the pump house in the spring weekly meetings on Friday mornings for the pump house. So, we'll find out more on Friday morning where they stand on that start.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [clears throat] Thanks for coming. Uh, Jennifer, do you have a anything on the staff report? Uh, no. I [clears throat] think anything that I'll share I can do in the year review.

Okay. Go on to full business. Consider resolution 2025-167 authorizing demolition of a structure of the structure located at two Union Avenue.

Okay. So, um today actually um I believe it was last week we found out that we were fully funded for the reef grant for phase 2 for $75,000. Um which is great. the city of Oana for the second year in a row was the highest scoring grant in the state. Um and with that uh I also did the um waiver of retroactivity when I submitted this grant which allows the city to pay for property at two Union Avenue with the grant dollars. It also could include in here the demo of the structure which um I believe the fire department has made a final decision that they will not be um doing a fire training with the building. If that changes I will let you know because they are going to use it for probably the next two months I believe for training activities. Um, but the demo, which I believe this resolution, uh, I think it was Shmincky came in to do the demo for 12,500 and that would also be covered for the structure of taking that down through the grant dollars. Um, I would suggest that we approve that um tonight and move forward with it because I do not believe that the fire department will be moving forward with the training burden. Um, and both obviously are covered now with the grant dollars, which would still leave us around

is that 45 30 35 30,000 left for the additional area for phase 2 after the purchase of the property is reimbured to city. And then if we use those dollars for the 125 which is also in there for the demo. And who was that by? Sh. Okay. Sh. Yes, I believe so. Yes. M. Yes. When would they be here now? [clears throat] I don't know the answer to that. I don't know.

No. I would guess January. Um if not uh Tren's not here, but um I think they wanted to be able to try and use uh maybe it was a December and a Janu or November and December trainings possibly with the fire department. I think they have one a month and then move forward possibly with a demo in January. But I'm not I'm not firm on that yet. We haven't had a lot of time to talk about and we just found out last week that we did get the grant, right? Was that last week? So, the fire department's meeting is tomorrow. So, do they intend to use it?

I think they do. I think they intended to use it for the November and the December training um to train in the building uh and then that would leave like December, January for a demo if they were to do that. Maybe I shouldn't know this, but do we have any I mean, are the firefighters and the fire department covered under like what what insurance liability would that be if someone were to be I had that question. So, I'm just wondering.

So, um it the building the structure we let them know when the building was purchased uh at the insurance company. I also let them know that there would be the training. So it is at the discretion of the fire chief as well as Benton County. So the Benton County SWAT went in and did a training and they were aware of the condition of the building. So if they were going upstairs, not there the building is covered with the city insurance. Um it was at their discretion. I did not believe that anybody went upstairs. Um and I believe that the fire department would make those same decisions. Okay. Thank you. Yep. But when we purchased the property and it was

your question, were you asking who is responsible if somebody's hurt? That that's that's my I mean it's does somebody have to carry their own insurance to go in there and do that? Because if if that's a city owned property and somebody goes in there, they're doing fire training. Is that on the city's insurance? I just be on the fire I mean the fire department carries their own insurance, right? Yes, I believe so. and the city as well. And the building is covered under the insurance. We notified the insurance company where the property was. Shouldn't be no different than somebody at the park. No, I I thought that's what she was asking who was responsible for the

Yeah, I just had somebody asked me if we we as this I think it would be different if we didn't, right? But also like between like [clears throat] if we had an agreement with Benton County at that point when they did that training. I think it's hindsight's 2020 now. It's already in the past. But like with the fire department that's a little bit different since it's a city department. They have their own insurance. I think that's where I was going with it, but I think it's different for probably the fire department. So I think it's kind of the same. Mhm.

I think I mean I can I can double check that tomorrow with our insurance company, but it would be just like what Josh just said. It's just like a city property. So if somebody goes in on it, I would assume that [clears throat] fire department insurance covers like if they go on a call, if they're doing training, something happens, the department insurance is covering that, I would assume. Right. Yeah. there there should because it's just like a contract building and their insurance has to cover the dwelling even if it's outside the job. I could definitely double check that.

Yeah. And the only thing is like maybe we just document that you know it was approved for them to use that structure for training. I don't know something in documentation.

[laughter and clears throat] Okay. Do we have a motion to I got one more. Did you ask him about the hole filling the gra money off? Say again. Take the money off for filling and grading. Uh is that what it was in your text? I did not. I haven't yet because Trent's [clears throat] uh Trent's on vacation until the 17th. Um so I want to I don't I don't think it's um Does anybody have that up? I have a proposal. Yeah. What does it say? All in dirt from the city stock pile fill hole and green for

Yeah. What's the amount though? There's no amount. Okay. So, you wanted you wanted me to ask about just the city workers hauling it. So, yeah. Agreed. Okay. Um, so do you guys want to table this because I I didn't get your question answered because Trent's on vacation and he would be the one that I would Well, [clears throat] I think we got time. It's not going to happen till maybe January. Yeah, we got a little bit pull [clears throat] a bit from Zero. So, okay. Yeah, they were they were high. So, [clears throat] we'll if you need if you need other bids on the tear down, I there's a couple companies I know that do tear down, too.

Um, okay. So, do you guys want to table this then until like because Trent won't be back till 17th, so I would have to ask him those questions. So, I would say till the December meeting. Okay. Motion table resolution 2025-167. Second and moved in second to table resolution 2025-167. Any more discussion? If not, we'll vote. Council person Baski, yes. Council person Bendle, yes. Council person Johnson, yes. Council person Huber, yes. And council person, yes. Okay. Okay, perfect. I'll get the answers to that then. [clears throat]

Okay. New business. Item A. Um, city administrator's contract renewal. [clears throat] Uh, it's time to review the city administrator's contract and I will be working with council person Basi to review uh for any proposed changes. We will then bring it forward to the December meeting to the council for action. So, in the meantime, we'll discuss that and we'll bring it forward to the council for the December meeting. Item B, introduction of the new mayor and council members. Okay. So, I didn't have anything formal here, but um our new mayor elect is in the audience. If you wanted to introduce Bob Ireland and it looks like he brought his wife Carmen with him.

My better half. Your better half. Uh nothing formal just

uh what would you like to know about [laughter] I lived here 10 years uh retired from uh Rochester Minnesota actually home state county uh charge of software support for the public works department. Prior to that assistant plant manager at the waste energy facility and compost site and utilities. Uh, prior to that, uh, worked for Senica Foods and Lebies as a process engineer. Prior to that, six years in the Navy nuclear power system. Prior to that, uh, welding and, uh, machining tool and die, and then it's back to high school. [laughter]

Perfect. Well, congratulations. [clears throat] Um, and sometime between now and before the first of the year, if you can just stop into city hall during office hours, I can swear you in. And we typically do it right here in the council chambers. I thought you were supposed to do that at the December meeting. Nope. It does not have to be at the meeting. We can, but it does not have to be in the meeting. Yep. So, if you just want to come in sometime before, whatever works for you. Well, I'll probably wander in a few times now and then. Yes. Perfect. [clears throat] And then thank you. And then I think Shane is also here.

Yep. Yep. So Shane, um I was once appointed by you all for a couple months. Um but I said thank you. I've been here lived here since 2019, 18 19. Um been the head softball coach for CPU. uh and a volunteer um uh wrestling coach. Um also volunteer for quite a few of the other athletics, the track, football. Um been a volunteer firefighter, been on different city council, been on school boards um in a different city, but uh pretty similar to what we have now. So, um married for 33 years now. 32 years. You're probably two girls, uh, two grand two grandsons. Um, so

so you as well, if you have time to stop in any time before the first of the year, I can get you sworn in. Um, and then Randy Johnson reelected for his council position as well. So, thank you, Randy. I don't know if you wanted to see a speech or anything. Not really. Everybody kind of already knows me, so don't waste much time. And you'll have to respond.

Yes. And while we're on that, the legislation did pass July 1. So if I did this correctly, I've already taken it. Technically, Randy, I don't think you have to take this training, but I would highly, highly recommend it. The legislation passed in July, a new open meetings training. Open record open meeting training. You also taken it, did you? I've taken it. I do think that Randy needs to take it now that he's been reelected reigned and hasn't You haven't taken it, right? So, that's my understanding from taking it last week is that um and I've taken it a couple times and that was new. Um, with that,

I actually encourage anyone to take that if you're continuing because there were things on there that are pretty important. I did it through the weekend. No, it was there was one that was like a during the day afternoon thing and then I took mine from 5 to 7. I did it through the Iowa Department of um public records.

I sent a link to council members. So, you can take one. The one that I did was through Iowa State Extension. The one that I did, I think we paid for. I think yours might have been one of the free ones. Um, Shane and Bobby, you will both also need to take that. I did request new emails for both of you. So, I'll get information sent to you when I have that. So, you'll also need to take that training. And it's mandatory. So, when you do take it, and if you are already elected and take it, it's mandatory that your certification is on file here at city hall. So, we'll do that, too. [clears throat and cough]

Okay, congratulations to all that has been elected to. Item C, consider resolution 2025-168 to approve an egg lease agreement for city-owned land south of 20 2110 and a half face street with John Sacket and he has been our past renter there. And I know um I did pull it off the consent agenda because I know there were questions that I haven't been able to answer yet. So I didn't know if you guys wanted to table this. Um I think Jeff, you had a question about the yields and I haven't been able to get that because Trent is on vacation and he does have those records. And then Josh, I think you had your question about um the rate. So if I didn't know, did either of you have anything else to add to your questions or [clears throat]

I mean just simply if if that's part of the original contract that you would provide that I would like to see it before we move forward with this the same price. So um it makes sense to wait till I can till we have a chance to review that. So for me the yields don't matter because disease can hit whatever. So yields really don't matter to me. I think if you go to the Iowa State Extension Office and look at cash rent, that's where you get to base your your cost off of. Well, maybe we should change that way. If yields don't matter. Yeah, yields don't matter because we're not crop sharing. If we're crop sharing, then that don't matter.

So, on the 18 acres, if did I calculate that? Did I send you a response on what it was per acre then? Um, I thought you did

but I don't [cough] [clears throat] see. Yeah. So I think it's like around 1667 an acre. And Josh, what did you say? It needs to be at least 200.

Okay. So okay. So, I think the best thing then to do here if we can table that until I can have further conversations um and get you the information you were looking for or and then take it back. Okay.

I would make a motion to table resolution 2025 168. Second [clears throat] move and second to table resolution 2025-168. Is there any more discussion? Now move. Council person Johnson. Yes. Council person house. Yes. Council person Hubert. Yes. Council personal. Yes. And council person Vasque. Yes. [clears throat]

Item D, consider resolution 2025-163 to approve [clears throat] B budget amendment number one for fiscal year 26. Okay. So, I sent this to you ahead of time. didn't get any questions back, but if anybody had questions tonight, otherwise make a motion to approve resolution 2025 163 to approve the budget amendment number one for fiscal year 26.

Second. Been moved and second to approve resolution uh 2025 163. Any more discussion? Just just for clarification sake 125 that we're going to budget for the demo. If it doesn't all get used it'll be in that that bucket anyways for additional expendituring in the grant for the culture and recreation 125. Yes. Yes. So right now we're just budgeting that that if that happens that way. Yes. And it's what's that? Just pass through. Yeah. It's not.

Yep. It's pass through money. So it'll go in and out either way. So it'll either get the 125 will get used for the grant dollars with the demo or it'll go toward the phase two of project. Yep. Any more discussion? Motion. Second. I motion. Sorry. Second. Okay. [clears throat] Okay. We'll vote. Uh, council person Hubert. Yes. Council person Johnson, yes. Council person Bendle, yes. Council person House, yes. And council person, yes.

Item B, consider resolution 2025-164 to approve budget transfers number two for fiscal year 26.

Okay. So with the budget amendment obviously will come transfers for the following two items which would be um closing we closed on the first loan and we have drawn on the 1.25 loans and that payment for the first loan would is the part that will come from the loss funds and go to debt service. So that estimated payment is 28,87. So the second one at the end of the year will be the water fund to water sinking which will be for the is it 2.376 is that what our second loan amount is I don't have it off the top of my head 2.376 million that estimated payment will at in June be 141,7 710 based on the information that we got from Maggie. So those two transfers will be for the budget transfers number two. Make the motion to approve resolution 2025-164. I'll second. Okay, it's been move motioned [clears throat] and approved to approve resolution 2025-164. Any more discussion?

Not council person Bendle. Yes. Council person Baski. Yes. Council person Huber. Yes. Council person Johnson. Yes. And council person holds. Yes. [clears throat]

Meth city administrator. You're in review. Okay. So, I have a pack of it that has a green cover on it and I thought this year I would put together a year in review. Does everybody I think everybody has it. I tried to label it so we can follow along the best we can. But um so the first thing I wanted to do was give a year in review. So, one of the items on the consent agenda is our annual financial report um for 2025. With that, I wanted to do a bit of an analysis of the report um just to go a little bit further into um what the year looked like uh for the city. So, I did put in a presentation um I'm not going to go through that slide by slide, but you can certainly roll through it with me. Um just looking again at the city administrator's role and my financial responsibility with the city and sharing with transparency and what's actually happening with the financials for the city of Urbana. So, one of the pieces that I wanted to highlight, there's been a lot of talk with people about the city of Ravana, the property tax rate, and what I wanted to point out. Um, in let's see here, I don't have page numbers, it looks like, but in the actual I'll flip through this so that you can see the charts, which is the actual presentation. So, I'm looking at the memo, but I'm going to walk through the presentation part. and you'll see a slide that says city of Urbano property tax rate stability. What I did was grab the um city tax rate per 10,000 taxable value. And what I wanted to demonstrate there is from FY 2022 to FY 2026.

The um tax rate represents a change of less than 1.5% over the last 5 years. So the change in property taxes, the tax rate is not changing in the city of Urbana. It's actually stayed the same or roughly the same over the last 5 years. So it started at 14.13667 in 2022 and um fiscal year 2026, we're at 14.27045. And all of these documents are available on the Department of Management's website. But I just wanted to share that um the tax rate actually for the city of Urbana has maintained stability over the last five years. I [clears throat] also put in there the chart right underneath is the city of Urbana property tax breakdown. And just to show the tax entity and where those uh share amounts on the total tax bill go uh the city of Urbana is getting about 28% of that. The Center Point Urbana School District is getting 47% of that. Benton County gets approximately 20% and then the other 5% comes from the [cough and clears throat] assessor, the colleges and those different areas. [clears throat] So if you look at the total revenue versus expenditures um in the actuals you can see um that the city of Urbana's revenues were 3.4 approximately and our expenses expenditures were roughly 3.5 million. Um, with that there's probably a difference of about I think 145,000 and the expenditures that exceed ex exceeded the revenues I just wanted to highlight were planned but were one-time

transfers from community investments. So that is where we took our 25,621 from the library savings put it back into the library. We used the parts savings for the new playground equipment, which was the match grant. And then we also used the savings from the capital purchases, which was around $7,400 out of the equipment savings and then closed those three accounts. [clears throat]

Um, the other piece that I highlighted in here, uh, top revenue sources of course for the city of Urbana is our property taxes, our road use tax, the utility fees, and local option sales tax. And then on your own, if you'd like, I did include the actual versus budget so that you could see that um I highlighted several different departments. Of course, I didn't put every single one in here just to highlight um that several of those did come in under budget for both expenses and revenue. The other piece of last year would be the grant funding that the city of Urbana received. Um there was $42,000 received for a onetoone match grant for the new $80,000 playground equipment. We received $75,000 for REAP for the first phase of the Pollinator Park expansion, which part of that is at the corner of Union and Wood Street, and the other portion of that is actually at the central park between the playground and the pavilion. So that was actually over $117,000 in external grant revenue that was brought in for the city of Aan. So one of the things as we move forward um I did also highlight [clears throat] in the packet the capital projects that we had. Um [clears throat] the city came up and developed a capital improvement plan. This capital improvement plan would have been for fiscal year 25 through 29. I

highlighted some of the projects that were in the plan and then just gave brief highlights for each project which would include the water storage tank and pump house project which I won't go into detail on any of these because everything that is in each one of these slides has been actually shared with the um council and mayor before. Um, I also just reexlained in here for the water storage tank and pump ho pump house how the city is doing the summary of the two loans that we have for the water improvements. Um, I included the big Miller Lane project in this report only because it fell this summer. So, it was actually not part of FY25. that actually the expenditures are coming out of FY26, but we started the planning um before that. So, I did include it even though this project actually will end up falling into the um fiscal year 26. I did want to highlight that this uh project will be I think a total of $175,958 which came in under budget which it was budgeted for $234,000 and this [clears throat] um project funding source is fully funded through our road use tax which was um in our reserve for road use. Uh the annual chip seal is on here. This is done each year. It's approximately 45,000 for streets and that was all the projects that we had for for that. What I've been talking to Maggie about um since I got here at Sphere Financial is and actually through the uh three different audits that we've had at the city since I've been here. One of the

things that I would like to discuss tonight in this was the need for a fiscal reserve policy. So my recommendation is that the city looks at actually putting together a policy to have us work toward a solid fiscal reserve policy. And um what I would like to do is I gave a sample in here. Um, let me just move some papers around. I gave a sample of the fiscal reserve policy. Um, based on our general fund expenditures, the recommendation for a reserve would be anywhere from 25 to 40% of our expenditures in the general fund. That would be approximately anywhere from 245,000 to 390,000 that we would want to put into a reserve. Meaning at the end of the year when we have our home balances what's left and what can be transferred into a reserve. That way on our cash report it's very clear to the council and the mayor. What is our operational budget and what do we have in our reserves for each of the following funds which I would recommend we do for the general fund, the water fund, the sewer fund and also continue with our road use fund. So I put down here the example for these is to do 25 to 40% which would cover at least three to five months of the general fund expenditures which would be good practice providing cash flow for operations between property tax dispersements covers any emergencies that we would have and helps maintain consistent service levels. Um this would avoid any short-term borrowing. I

believe that um to start would be a 275,000 general fund reserve which after talking to Maggie she would like us to use our goal in our policy like we would like to get around to 100% of our um operations and whether that happens in the policy it's still good I think to put in there as a practice that that could be our goal. So for example with the water reserves we would want if the water operations averages around 350,000 annually maintaining 175,000 or more in a unrestricted rever reserve would get us six months. If we were to go with the setting aside 100% of the reserve, we would want our goal to be 350,000, which would be able to get us a reserve that would be built up to $350,000. Sewer reserves would be about the same, but if our sewer operations is around 413,000, a reserve could be anywhere from 256,000 to 512,000. If our goal is 100%, we would want our reserves to be about 346,000. [clears throat] Does that make sense? And then I also did the demonstration for the storm sewer reserve. So basically what it says is at the end of the year when we take a look if I don't have any. Yes, I do. the cash report. I've created on our cash report now um reserves for each of these items. I think I still need to add the general fund one on there. Um but we would do reserves. So on the cash report, you would see water water reserve and you

would see also what's coming up would be water sinking. So sinking is what we put in there and then that covers our loan payment. So right now we have a sewer. So we have a sewer sinking. So our sewer sinking right now on a cash report should say around 285,000. I don't know if that's exact, but it would say 285,000 because after we make a principal payment for the SRF loan plus we make two payments for interest, that would be that. So that means it gets moved in there every month 112 for 12 months so that we can pay our sewer SRF principal and interest. That's a syncing fund. So it goes into the sinking fund when it's done. The sinking fund should be at zero at the end of the year. Same thing would happen now with water. So we would have water and then we have a water sinking which will be one 12th of the revenue goes into the sinking for that payment. So we have the payment for the $2.376 million loan which would be transferred into syncing and then part of that is paid by lost for the first part of the loan. So the sinking is where we make payments from. The reserve is where we can see what we have basically in our savings or our reserve. So we would want to get those built up to 350,000 for what did I say for water. So basically putting together a fiscal reserve policy which is what is in your packet if you go to the green sheet that says fiscal reserve. I put in here a sample policy [clears throat] that basically just outlines the purpose for the the city putting together a policy saying that

we're going to do our best to put in at the end of the year whatever our um reserve could be what can we afford to put into that reserve and over I would hope over two years we would be able to have met our goal to make sure that we have a fiscal reserve policy for each of those funds. And the policy then outlines general fund, water fund, sewer fund, and storm sewer fund. It also puts in here about the road use, debt service, and the use of reserves. That's a lot. I don't know if you guys have questions about that or about how we would set up the reserve. I think that's my question is where where are we pulling like just whatever's left would go into the reserve. So yeah, but we wouldn't put all of it in there because remember like we would we would want to make sure that because our first big payments for the year usually come in in September, October because of property taxes. So, we need to make sure that whatever we have at the end of the year in our cash report is exactly, you know, it we wouldn't probably say, "Oh, we're just going to even though it says 350,000, we can't just move 350,000 because we need to make sure that we have the operational budget there through to the next year." [clears throat] So um so the goal is that at the end of the year which in the policy monitoring and reporting on page

two would be that I would be coming back to you and sharing with you a review and a report at where we believe that our reserve levels will be um during the budget process and then at the year end. So um and again we may have to make adjustments. Uh we may not meet this in the first year obviously. So it would be a goal that that's what we're working toward. Um this year if you look on the general fund um balance I think I told you guys that after the auditors were here previously we were reconciling a money market account in the general fund. And so when you would look at the cash report, there would be an extra 425,000 in there, which shows our general fund was at over I don't even know over 800,000. And we really shouldn't do that because that's demonstrating that it's really kind of part of our operational funds or that the city is overoling dollars from the patrons and that's not what we would want to demonstrate. So that $400,000 was pulled out when the auditors were here and it's reconciled now into its own bank. So every month the interest is reconciled. But you can clearly see the money market is separate now from the operational general fund which it previously was not. It was being reconciled within the same bank. Um, so now that I get into that further, we don't have unless we need one because I could not find one. We didn't have a fiscal reserve policy [cough] and I believe that that would be good. So that our cash report when I started was like eight pages long and just over time trying to get that cleaned up. um capital projects cleaned up, things like

that that we should really show our reserves so that when we're coming together and we have to make a decision like we did in May, for example, when we had a $67,000 bill because we had a hole in one of our wells. I want you to be able to clearly see like, okay, so we have this much in our water reserves or our sewer reserves. So you can see like if we already have 350,000 in there and we need to take 67,000 from there, it's very clear where our reserves are. So you can see it's separate from the general operational fund. [clears throat] So I know that's a lot. Um I do I did put these on the agenda because I wasn't sure if these were decisions that you wanted to make tonight or if you wanted to be able to take these and look at them more closely. I put together a sample policy and then also what a resolution would look like to adopt that policy. So behind the green paperwork there is um the policy and the reserve policy resolution and if you either want if you want to act on those tonight or if you want to table those and look at them further that would obviously be your decision. I think it's important to state that the goal isn't to levy or tax to build them up. It's more of a right

it's more of a a visibility thing as far as this is what you have in reserves for that emergency for that specific line item or that specific top rating area. So we will continue to budget as we see as [clears throat] we see the need for expenditures. But we're not going to go above and beyond just to fill this little bucket of fun. It's more or less to just delineate what is reserve and what is right actually budget report. So at the end of the year, if we don't spend what we budgeted, it's the part of reserve, right? That's kind of what I was thinking. You got a budget set for the year and you stayed under that budget.

Whatever is left of that end of the year for that budget, that's you can put that in reserve. You can't really calculate until the end of the year whether or not you've saved that extra money. Exactly. Yeah. I think I would like to table this until I've had a chance to read through it. Um and I I also think like like to go back and look to see I mean I know you've stated like it might take two or three years. Is that real? Like in my mind without looking at it is two to three years really realistic like I just need to sit down and process.

Absolutely. Yes. So, these were just think about items as we move into budget that we can start having more conversations about. So, I wanted to have those in front of you before we move into December, January, and February. [clears throat]

I think my other comment was um on your year review. Um, [clears throat] if this hasn't been posted on the website, I'd like to get it posted on the website. The only thing um as a potential clarifying um piece and and maybe obviously take out the the last few slides where you're talking about a fiscal year reserve policy that we haven't actually yet but um on slide made a note the capital projects with the things but Miller Lane. Yes. Um, maybe just note in like a put a note on there that this is really I

actually6 if someone's looking at it from a public standpoint. I feel like we could actually take that one out. The reason why it started in there is because we did the bids and we did different things like that. It really probably doesn't need to stay in there because the expenditures are happening in FY26. [clears throat] So you want me to post? So post. You want all of these posted except for where it starts the slide that says city of reserves. Yeah. I think since that's not because we have you can't say that indefinite. This is what it's

right. So [clears throat] do we have a motion to table this resolution 165? I would make a motion table 65. It would actually be the policy. I think or is it No. Yeah. Right.

Probably both. I'll So I I'll amend this. So I will table both policy for the city of Urbana fiscal reserve policy and I will table the resolution for 2025 165. Second. Okay. So table 165 and 166 both.

Yes. the fiscal she wants to table the actual fiscal reserve policy and 2025 165 which is the resolution to adopt the fiscal policy right

what is we haven't got to the other one yet okay yes so it' be the policy I and then the uh two I's for 2025 165 Okay. [clears throat] So, it's been moved in a second to table resolution 2025-165. [clears throat] It's been moved and second. Any more discussion? If not, we'll vote. Council person hold. Yes. Council person Bend. Yes. Council person Johnson. Yes. Council person. Yes. And council person. Yes.

[clears throat and cough] Okay. B County Sheriff's Department data analysis for [cough and clears throat] 25.

Okay. [snorts] So, just as I did last year before budget season, I analyze the FY24 data. No, 23 data, right? So now 24 data. So this is the FY25 data for Benton County. So Benton County um sends us the quarterly reports that are shared. So we got um a fiscal report. So it was July 1, 2024 through June 30th of 2025 from Benton County Sheriff's Office. So I took that data and just broke down the raw data in the summary. So you have the [clears throat] analysis that I have here and then the pages behind it that look like this are the raw data from Benton County that came through and I believe I sent an email about that too. So, I just did some brief analysis highlighting that there were several call patterns. Um, multiple call patterns included civil papers being delivered, some of them even to the same address over time. Reoccurring alarms typically at Hutton Drive and Sunset, and most are domestic and welfare checks at residential streets. I also then just did a generic um pie chart showing the how those that raw data kind of shakes out for the year and then also summarize the trend data

for quarter. So as you can see in quarter 1 we had 75 about 75 calls, quarter 2 85 calls, quarter three 80 calls and quarter four 85 calls. What I also wanted to note is that if you start taking out some of those call patterns that are civil papers, reoccurring alarms, and 911 hangup calls, in one month you actually start seeing um some of these calls like for the month. Oh, shoot. I just Hold on. I have that in my so for example if you have one month maybe it's July there's 27 calls by the time you take out the repeated patterns which would be 911 hangup calls that come through [clears throat] um civil papers that are delivered and the reoccurring alarms, you maybe end up with 17 calls for the month. So, I tried to do that um for these and then actually Amanda with the data piece, I'm going to maybe turn it over to you because then you took the raw data from the information that was directly provided in a spreadsheet from Benton County and you created some pivot tables that you guys have a copy of that looks like this. So initially what I wanted to see was

in addition um to not only call type and volume by month. So on the second page is that's what that is. It's called type um and volume per month. And then is this the one that I had taken out some of those? I wasn't sure. Yes. This second one is where we took out 911 hangups, the reoccurring alarms in the paper. Yes.

So the first page you can see is the raw data with 357 calls for the entire year time frame that they provided us. Um and I hadn't I didn't take anything out in that section. I certainly can go back and do that. But um just really quickly, I threw this together. And then the second one um has by type and by month. Um and then it brings it down to 243 calls annually. And then you can see the call type um and grand total by month. And then the first page I wanted to see um really how many calls in that year time frame broke out by month and by hour. And the reason I think it's important to break it out by hour is because we need to, in my opinion, subtract the number of calls that would have been already handled by Benton County previously to us making any change with our uh police department because those were calls that Benton County already would have been handling because we didn't have anybody on service. Um, and this was really high level. It it I didn't take into account weekends. I didn't take into account. So, it still includes those hours. I just picked any day of the week throughout the month where it was from 11:00 p.m. to 6 p.m. which that doesn't account the weekend when we staff certain hours and even the full day. Um, and then you just would need to subtract. And I hadn't gotten that far yet, but um, just initially I wanted to see that information and and do some pivots on that. We can certainly do more pivots now that I have the information in an Excel spreadsheet and

um, yeah, by category. So, so for example on your page two, once you take out the three reoccurring patterns which 911 hangup calls, civil papers and the reoccurring alarms like in January there would have been 24 calls for service. February there were only 16 calls for service. March 18 calls for service. April 23 calls for service. May 23 calls for service. June 20 calls for service. July 26 calls for service. August 15 calls. September 17 calls. October 26 calls. November 17 calls. December 18 calls. So based on the data, so I tried to provide some charts for the data to summarize it and then Amanda created the pivot tables which I think was a great idea to even break it down by the hour showing the contracted time. Um, if you go back to uh the memo that I sent with the Benton County Sheriff's data, I just wanted to highlight that in a five-year trend, very similar to what I did previously. In FY22, the city police department's budget was $232,465. In fiscal year 23, the city police department was $2426 $242,62. In fiscal year 24, the police department's budget was $335,450. In fiscal year 25, the police department was at $267,100.

This year for Benton County or excuse me, this year for FY26, we have a contract with Benton County for $40,560 and then also budgeted an additional $108,262 for operations if we were to have an active police department. With that five-year trend, in FY26, the spending for law enforcement declined by approximately $186,000 since FY24, which is a reduction of 5 55% even while accounting for the FY26 operational cost that was tied to an inactive department. The reason why I think that we need to continue to look at the um data and make a decision about the police department is because the crime is not increasing. Matter of fact, when you look at the data, there's very few actual criminal crimes happening in Urbana. I don't think that with [clears throat] the data analysis now for two years in a row that the city can afford to have a police department budget that has ranged from $232,000 to $335,000 for one person on shift at a time.

But 335 is a little misdeed because there's a car. Correct. But also, it's not necessarily misleading. What it is is

I don't think it's misleading. Actually, there is a purchase of a vehicle in there. And whether or not the purchase of a third vehicle was warranted is also a question. So, I believe as we go into the budget season, [clears throat] this information is extremely important. So, the next piece of information that um that I would like to share with the budget with the Benton County contract and the current budget. So if you take an average, which I did not do, of this range of what the previous police budget was, I want to demonstrate in the next conversation as we go into some planning, which would be the public safety and EMS planning, I want to talk with the council and the mayor about looking at the future of public safety and how that can look um in the city of Urbana. So, for example, we have um Northbend Ambulance who has reached out to the city and would like to potentially in the future have a satellite location here in Urbana, which would help service people quicker with an ambulance um with a call volume that Urbana has, which I think the police department has demonstrated that in their fire department updates, in their quarterly updates that the medical calls that they're responding to has increased. I think that what we need to be looking at is potentially how can we look at public safety as a bigger picture in terms of our EMS and possibly in the future doing a partnership with Northbenton Ambulance.

how we continue a contract with possibly Benton County for service since they're obviously meeting the needs that the city has. And then also, how can we start looking at long range or long-term planning with the fire department? Because what we've also learned over the last year and a half with our fire department updates is over in the next 5 years, the city um fire department truck could potentially cost close to $1 million. Um and that's obviously an estimate just based on what the fire department has shared in terms of the cost of apparatus. So, I feel like what we could be thinking about doing, and these are simply just um examples that are in here for calls for service. So, with North Benton, they shared uh with the medical responses, which would include the fire department. From 2020, the calls started at 66 calls for medical. 2021 increased to 87 calls. 2023 increased to 103 calls. [clears throat] 2024 increased to 105 calls. So, as you can see, Urbana is a higher call volume. And if North Benton were to have a satellite here, how could we potentially support a satellite location here, which I believe was mentioned just in conversation that it would be Urbana, Shellsburg, and Brandon. is that [clears throat]

but shows where part of that's being covered by payload right now, right? Or Yeah.

Yeah. So that's just the preliminary like conversations I think that were happening. Um the second piece of that was um if the city were to look at something called a capital set aside policy, we could potentially look at doing something like if the city decides in some of these funds for public safety EMS planning, we could be budgeting for um let's just [clears throat] say I'm just going to put this figure out here because I think this is what I put in here. If you were to do a set aside and we wanted to possibly or potentially have further conversations with North Benton, for example, what could that look like? So, in addition to whatever the EMS essentials are that they currently get from the Urbana tax base, would Orbana be willing to put any more dollars toward that to house the ambulance here with however they would do that, which they obviously would take that over. You know, does it cost $75,000 to have someone here during 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.? What would that look like? So, these are just potential scenarios. The fire department, for example, if we were to look at setting aside $50,000 per year that we would consider consider a capital set aside, that $50,000 per year in five years could be $250,000 the city could put toward a million dollar fire truck for the fire department. Um, and I wanted to potentially just share here that even if you took a $40,000 Benton County contract, possibly $50,000 for fire department, for long-term

planning, for capital, and then possibly an additional, I don't even know 25,000 for EMS to help go toward a satellite. I didn't do the math in my head, but let's just say that's 150,000. And I know that's not the correct math, but what I'm trying to demonstrate is that we could have all three of these services still for less than what we were using for just the police budget alone for the last one, two, three, four fiscal years.

[clears throat] And I know that that's also a lot to digest. Um, I'd like to make some motion [clears throat] to table this because I've never heard anything about the police department being shut down. This is just I mean when we the police department is not shut down. That's what you're making it sound like to me that you're wanting to do away with police department totally and I think that's a totally different discussion. So violation of that though and this has been a budget a conversation for [clears throat] 18

24 months I mean this conversation started two years ago. So it it to me as a council person if you're saying that you haven't heard of that you are a council person I guess that are we not hearing the same message because that is what I am hearing. We're not acting on closing the police department today. We're prepping for our budget session which is starting the next month. [snorts] I must have misheard because it sounded to me like she was like it was being proposed that we just do what she's doing to do that.

I just I my opinion she's showing her options to sit the council and the city the options what we have then options will be weighed during the budget meeting. Okay. I just I just took it as we we want to shut down the police department. And when we voted on uh [clears throat] let Chief Baker go, even after the meeting, I was texted by another council member saying that this wasn't a vote to to do away with the police department. And that wasn't it [clears throat] wasn't okay. I'm just me I mean that's that's the way I took it. I mean, but no.

So, what I'm continuing to demonstrate is exactly the data that I brought last year. So, we are acting with an inactive police department and it is the role of the city administrator to bring forth all the data that I have and to put in these memos exactly different options the city has. These are here because in the next December, January, and February months where we're putting together a budget, that's exactly what is in front of the council. So if it looks like what I'm demonstrating is to get rid of a police department, what I'm demonstrating is that the need for a police department in the capacity that it was previously portrayed over the last 5 years is not fiscally responsible. Period. And that's my role as a city administrator to put that here. This police data was shared with you over two weeks ago. So, this is not a surprise.

Actually, I just got my email fix yesterday. So, I'm sorry that you didn't get your email before, but that also wasn't my issue. So, I think a lot of us you we really truly need to have a meeting with the township because we are a partnership. Yep. Right. I mean, a real meeting with [clears throat] it to pass through. I don't know what the township pays 30 33% or something like that. Is that right? Because now you're talking for a forprofit business moving in here and we're supplying them stuff. Well, yes, but it's a service. It would be a service, correct?

So there would Yes, there would definitely be a contract of service just like if area ambulance were coming in here. It would be a contract for service. You're right. Yes. I mean, there's other people. We're paying We're paying taxes to the county that they're funding these services for. So, it only makes sense to have them closer to our [laughter] our community, but yes, I absolutely think a township meeting because we got to build their [snorts]

And I think it's important just to summarize that this is all just more of a hypothetical illustration [clears throat] because a new fire truck has not been discussed. That's not been presented to us as a need. So, this is more of a if you took this approach, here's what this allows you for your community. I think this the requirements are they're fine. I know a small town is going to be able to buy you fire trucks. I think I thought it was like a million and a half. So,

so it would be closer to a million and a half. Like if you were in the city of Cedar Rapids, for example, I think the new truck there was like 1.7 million. Um, obviously for the demonstration purposes, I'm just looking at like if there was a million dollar truck and we were able to help. I think you're seeing a lot of of them taking their backup truck and keeping the chassis and just putting audio back is what I've been told. what a lot of them are doing. Well, and I think the best people to have that conversation would be a lot of them is short.

Yes. So, I I appreciate the data. I think that's fantastic. But I think I think um being a small community with you know limited income or limited revenue you have to make data data driven decisions. So this is this is very important. I think it's it's critical to make you know good fiscal decisions. So if nothing else just get a chance to review it and see what what you know the idea here is. I don't think anybody's trying to say this is what we're going to do.

I'm sorry. I just I made it known when I was elected city council. I don't care if it's the the thing with Chief Baker. I just am a big firm believer that a city should have at least some kind of police department. That's just and we have police protection. We have it's it's we're paying for it and we have it. If you call the uh the sheriff's office, you you'll get you'll get an answer. So I I I don't I think there's some misconception that we don't have police coverage. We do. Well, you know, somebody has a concern they should call 24 hours. Yes. So I I see a lot of this, well, if only we had a police, you do you can call and get a response from a law enforcement officer. So

I just want to make sure that that's clear that that we have police protection in [clears throat] the community. So, I also want to make clear that you've mentioned Chief Baker's name twice now, and as far as I'm concerned, none of this data has anything to do with him. [snorts] I remember mentioning I said I don't care if it's Chief Baker or another. I just would like to see a police presence like a police department at any time. [clears throat]

And I think that's the discussion that you need to bring forward when we do the budget meetings. But I think it's irresponsible of us to continue to budget for a department that is inactive in the the coming fiscal year. We have to make a decision. That's where my mindset is. We cannot continue to do two years of we're going to put it in the budget and not think about other things that we could be doing. I I don't think that's fiscally responsible of us at all. [snorts] But if we're not paying somebody, why is it in the budget? We're still levying that money. [clears throat]

Exactly. That's my point is we're that we're not being fiscally responsible [clears throat] with what we're levying. If we're putting something in the budget that we're just not using, it's inactive. That's not fiscally responsible. That's my point is those are the conversations coming into the fiscal year 27 budget sessions that this is the stuff that we need to make those decisions and I don't know don't remember how much of the budget work sessions that you were a part of but this is the stuff that drives those [clears throat] discussions. So if if you have it, I would seriously sit down and look through this stuff because it's going to be incredibly helpful when we're all sitting through those work sessions and there's multiple of them and they're hours long. And also to add what you just said, Amanda, so in in this for the Benton on the part where I did the analysis of the contracts or the budget, um the $40,000 Benton County contract plus the additional [clears throat] dollars that were budgeted for FY26. Those additional dollars are specifically to wages because we had to budget for the wages for the police department. And the additional part was minor expenses with vehicle operations because the vehicles still needed to be run, started, those types of things. Batteries changed. Um, I can't remember some of the other things that you did, but that would be what made up the FY26 budget was the contract with Benton County, those minor operations, but the biggest chunk of that, which was over 80,000 plus, would have been for wages and benefits.

[snorts]

So, the biggest piece is just as Amanda said, think about for as we go into this. I do also have um I think that the fire department is also planning to just have conversations with North Benton. I'm also going to add on here um Josh, your recommendation about getting a township meeting um soon. I think that would be very helpful. So, I think that um as we move into December and the other sessions, if you guys are wanting to look at this information as well, maybe tableabling the capital set aside policy with the resolution 2025 166. Again, the purpose was putting it on there so that we can be thinking about that as we move into budget season. So if you guys wanted to table that

should also find out payload's going to take back over the sirens because that's 10. Oh [clears throat] yes. Yep. I don't know how you're going to find it out, but yeah, I think what is it, Josh? Like 8,500 7500 something like that was our 7200. We just y I went to anformational meeting with them this summer and they're the they said that if they recommission the plan, their new alert structure that they were proposing to the federal government did not include sirens really. Um but I can the people that gave that talk I can reach out to them too find out if they have a more concrete answer now.

Um I will motion to table resolution 2025 166 adopting the capital set aside policy for the city of second. Do you second it? Okay. Move the second to table resolution. 2025 166. Any more discussion? Not the vote. Council person. Yes. Council personal. Yes. Council person Hubert. Yes. Council person Johnson. Yes. And council person.

Yes. Okay. Only a handful. So, [laughter] I was thinking about this today. Does it really make sense to talk about this right now or can we I know we keep tableabling this, but I just feel like we're going to be redoing this in a come two more months. We're going to go through it from start to finish,

right? So I think I think tableling it again [clears throat] only makes sense and it could actually be part of a work session. Um did you get any feedback on those chap two sessions? I I yes I read it today. I had some scribbles but I didn't send in. So I don't I don't think anybody is so I I Randy did you send anything? I don't believe so from the last one. I haven't I have got a chance to look at it. So again, since the last time I looked at this,

do we want to table it to next year? I don't think it's any good. Till everybody everything switched over. I'll move to table play handbook discussion till next year. I second which our goal just to our goal was to have it done after budget season. So we have until like March and we only have these last two sections I believe right the two big sections but they're big ones. So yeah, these next two are like the one that we were supposed to talk about on tonight was big. That's why I'm surprised that there's not any. That just tells me nobody's actually really

because I thoroughly expect I did make most of the corrections though and sent those back to you guys in your email from the last session that we did. There were some minor ones in there, but yeah. Okay. So, table this maybe until February's meeting or you think before then? Probably. They can give it to them now. You can give them a copy of the handbook. They start. Oh, yeah. I I can do that. And we could we could tack it on to I got one I'll donate to you. [laughter] Well, if there's some changes. [clears throat] Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I have updated changes on what we've talked about for most of it, but yeah, there were still I think questions. We've had a motion in the second, too. I think I have Did you motion or did I motion? Oh, second. Okay. I second. Sorry. Okay. So, till the February meeting, so we'll vote. [clears throat] Council person, yes. Council person Johnson, yes. Council person, yes. Council person, yes. And council person, yes. Motion to adjurnn. Make motion to adjurnn. I'll second.

All in favor say I. Yeah.