City Council - Regular Meeting

Aldo?

Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call to order the closed session meeting of the City Council at 4.30 p.m., meeting number 3100. Madam Assistant City Clerk, please call the roll.

Let the record reflect that all are in attendance.

Thank you. Next, we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may address the council on matters which are on the closed session agenda. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. And if you're calling in, please press star 9 to raise your hand. I'm just going to call you, Madam City Clerk, because it's easier. Madam City Clerk, can you request to speak? No?

No, Mayor.

Thank you. We'll move on to the closed session update. Mr. City Attorney.

Thank you, Mayor. The City Council will now convene into closed session to discuss items 5 and 6 as they appear on this evening's agenda, which will include conference with the Council's labor negotiators, Mayor Lombard and Jacob Green.

Thank you. We'll recess to closed session. Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the city council and the council acting in its capacity as the local reuse authority. It is exactly 6 p.m., meeting number 3100. Tonight's invocation is by Karen Chalmers from Haven of Healing Ministry.

Go ahead.

Dear Tustin City of Commerce board members, staff, and guests, thank you for inviting Haven of Healing to provide tonight's evening's invocation. And please pray with me. Dear God, thank you for the city of Tustin. Thank you for each person in this room and for any who are watching online. Your blessings to this community have been numerous throughout the years and generations. The profound history that Tustin has, it is a beautiful place with tree-lined streets and faith-filled people, hospitality, growing families, friends, neighborhoods, community performances, food fests, competitions, and fun. Thank you for the many avenues people have for connection here. old town sidewalks and shops, modern districts, farmers markets, classes and educational opportunities, coffee shops, businesses, community service, the Orange County Rescue Mission, and the coming and the future of the Tustin legacy. Lord, your word says that you give abundant wisdom to any who ask. Please bless this board with great wisdom as they navigate legal decisions, building upgrades, reuse plans, election resolutions, candidate regulations, and budget considerations. Psalm 119.66 says, Lord, give them the kind of knowledge that is beyond themselves, creative guidance, discernment, vision. Protect them as you foster the spirit of unity, kindness, and generosity. And may this city be financially blessed so that it will be a blessing to others. May your will be done, Lord, so that they have the peace and assurance that their decisions are the right and best ones. Give them protection and discernment. And to the first responders, medical workers, teachers, to those in this community who are trying to make the world, to make Tustin a better place. When people come to Tustin, Lord, let them feel at home, peaceful, content, welcome, and safe. Inspire them to contribute to the well-being of this community. Thank you for each board member here, for their leadership and service to the city, and for the privilege of lifting each of them and the city of Tustin up before God in prayer. In Jesus' name, amen.

Amen. Thank you. Tonight's pledge is by Councilmember Gallagher.

Please stand if you are able. Face the flag. Hand over your heart and repeat after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag.

republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Next, we have the public input portion of our agenda. At this time, any member of the public may address the council on matters which are not on this evening's agenda, provided the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city council. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. And if you're calling in, please press star nine to raise your hand. I have three requests to speak here. I'll call them up in order, and then I'll hand it over to Madam City Clerk for the rest. But first, we have OCFA Division Chief Morgenstern with a brief update on recent events. Chief?

Thank you, Mr. Mayor and City Council, City staff, and all the residents watching. I just want to give a quick... Quick brief and update about the incidents that happened last week in the city of Garden Grove. On the heels of the Garden Grove incident, the Orange County Fire Authority would like to provide a brief overview of how hazardous materials are inspected, who is responsible for the inspections, and how we are working with city staff to ensure that residents of Tustin are safe. The Orange County Health Care Agency, OCHACA, manages the hazardous materials business plan, reporting thresholds. A facility must report these thresholds to become subject to inspection by Orange County Health Care if they have 55 gallons or more of a liquid, hazardous liquid, 500 pounds or more of a hazardous solid, and 200 cubic feet or more of a hazardous gas. Once a facility meets these thresholds, the Orange County Health Care Agency, as the Certified Unified Program Agency, or the CUPA as we call it, conducts periodic inspections to verify compliance with hazardous material storage, emergency response plans, and employee training. The Orange County Fire Authority conducts annual fire code inspections for facilities that have permittable quantities of hazardous materials, as well as occupancy types that have hazardous materials and hazardous processes. This is a fire and life safety inspection, which encompasses all fire code requirements. These inspections are conducted by our community risk reduction professionals that are trained in hazardous material processes, fire protection systems, and life hazard identifications. The OCFA has a list of businesses that requires fire code permit for hazardous materials, but it does not include the businesses that are managed by the health care agency. This list is managed solely by them. We are working in conjunction with the City Manager's Office to evaluate hazard identification, processes, and storage within the City of Tustin. While unforeseen accidents can occur, our diligence to site inspections, violation notifications, and reinspection is an ongoing process for life safety, protection of property, and to reduce environmental impacts. The OCFA takes this and all identifiable risk to our community seriously and works hard to reduce all risk within the communities that we serve. While this was a challenging incident, your OCFA is one of the few fire departments in the state that could handle this type of incident internally. In the height of the incident, OCFA had 150 personnel assigned to the Garden Grove incident. During this time, during this incident, no calls for service went unanswered. Our command center still processed an average of 500 calls a day, each day that our command, each day. No fire station went uncovered, and the OCFA was fully staffed to meet the needs of our community. This is the OCFA in service of others. Thank you.

Thank you. Next, I have Leslie H.

City Council man, my name is Leslie and I'm pretty sure you already know my face by now And I'm here to just continue my opposition with the flock system being in the city of Tustin I understand that I've been giving you a lot of overwhelming information about it that you can't really fit in three minutes, but I'm just going to keep trying until you know, this is taken seriously and And I just want to emphasize that you're not my enemy in this. I understand that the people here really trust you. I mean, that's very evident from all the city council meetings that I've come to and people You know, they respect your transparency. They respect you being proactive and wanting people to engage. And, you know, not a lot of city councils do that. And I think that's just really important to emphasize that. And I just want to say these city councils, El Cerrito, Mountain View, Oxnard, Los Altos Hills, Santa Cruz, and Richmond, and I want to see Tustin after this because these are the city councils that have ended current. Flock contracts have rejected future ones and have just prevented them from having any sort of Involvement and mundane or emergency situations when it comes to the police department So my reason concern has obviously changed and what we need now is for us collectively to take to take a prompt action to combat the flock system just in general and I have to say like this isn't fun like this isn't funny and I It's just an uncomfortable position to be in, not just for you or me, but for your trusted officials here, for the people behind me. And it's a question of like, am I exaggerating? Am I not pushing that seriousness yet? But I'm just going to keep doing it because... If I wasn't here, if it wasn't serious, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be constantly coming in to say, hey, we don't need this in our city. And since the last meeting, there's four cameras that have been up, and one is confirmed to have the flock system in the Tustin Legacy area, and it's directly linked to the Tustin PD. I don't know about the other three so far. And then, obviously, someone has to come say that we don't need this. One person has to come say it. And I'm here to say we don't need this. We don't need this anymore. And obviously, if there's people out there who also agree with me, you have to come up here and say that you don't want this either. So I'm just trying not to get frustrated. You know what the right decision is here. You understand the irreparable implications of this, and I just need you to believe in me because I can't do this on my own. And I just want to emphasize to Council Member Lee Fink has already extended his helping hand to understand my concern of this. I really appreciate that. So it's just my hope that the rest of you follow that. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Next I have Marie Lubbers.

Hello, city council members. Before I come to my subject, which has to do with bikes, I want to congratulate the city of Tustin for receiving a grant for doing an ATP. It is time that Tustin joins the other cities around it. They already have a decent ATP. Now, I am urging to do your best for protecting bikers of all kinds, because there are lots of different kinds now, as well as pedestrians, from the increasing traffic. We need to connect bike lanes to each other, because you bike and suddenly it stops and whatever will happen to you. For example, we need an extension of the bike lane on Walnut between Red Hill and Newport. We also need a continuous bike lane on Red Hill because there are just little bits and bike lanes on Newport. You also need to make bike lanes safer. For example, on Walnut, the ground... the bike lane is split into two parts on the right next to the sidewalk there is an uneven concrete on the left next to where the cars are passing it is star just like the street many cars pass really close and fast really close to the bikers, and force the biker to ride on the uneven concrete part of the bike lane. And it really feels unsafe. Conclusion. Bike lanes should be wider, made uniform, or even better, be separated from the street by a small wall or something like that. And I will finish by asking the city to increase the number of bike lanes, yes, but also the number of buses because then it will decrease traffic. It will be safer for everybody for air quality and for the climate. Thank you.

Thank you. Madam City Clerk, I'm going to ask that you call up the next speakers, please.

Yes, Mr. Mayor, we have Susan Keefe, then Rich, and then Ryan Bell in that order.

Thank you. Hi, everybody. Hi, Mr. Mayor. Hi, council members, city staff, city manager, and everyone in the room. So I have an easy one for you. This is regarding stewardship and the city's compliance with the state law that many of you may not even know about. It's called AB, Assembly Bill 1276. It's also affectionately known as Skip the Stuff. It's an important waste reduction law that was passed in 2021, shortly during the COVID period, where we probably all remember getting takeout with tons of You know, condiment packages and all kinds of things, right? I can see you nodding. It's true. We all had, like, drawers full of this stuff, right? And it was passed in 2021, full effect in 2022 of June. So it's been four years. And many restaurants don't even know that this is the law. The law, basically, all it does is it prohibits restaurants from just handing out stuff, meaning food accessories, straws, condiment packages, utensils, unless the customer specifically requests it. That's it. That's all it does. So, as I said, we all remember all this, and all this stuff was supposed to change, but the problem is that compliance was left to counties and cities. And I heard somebody mention OCHCA. I worked with OCHCA in November, December, and January, and they finally acknowledged the law. They didn't even have it on their website. They weren't really inspecting restaurants. But that doesn't absolve cities from also complying doing something about it. So my ask to all of you tonight, and I've already provided Council Member Fink with all the detailed information, is to join the City of Orange, who I've worked with the mayor there, I've also worked with council members in Irvine, to publicly acknowledge this law in the City of Tustin. And by doing so, you can basically educate your restaurants do outreach I have a template you can use I have a letter you can copy if you'd like that basically just says here's the law and here's what we expect our restaurants to do and our food facilities comply with the law Stop giving out these items. This is not a ban on plastic. I wish it was. It's not. But it's an important waste reduction law because many of these items end up littered in our parks. We pick it up in beach cleanups. And there's a really simple solution. Skip the stuff. And I'm asking you all to do that. And I'm happy to work with your city manager. I'm happy to work with you, Mr. Mayor, with anyone on council, public works, whatever needs to happen to do this education and outreach that's much needed in the city of Tustin. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Hello. Thank you, Mayor, City Council, staff members. It's my understanding that the city has allocated funding in the budget for an active transportation plan, and that's very good news. I just want to let the council know how vital it is to fully fund a plan that allows for citywide development and improvement of facilities, both for pedestrians and bicyclists. A well-funded ATP will not only improve overall safety and accessibility, it also helps people improve their health by including walking and biking in their daily routine, especially for short trips. Tustin is becoming congested with dangerous pollution and traffic incidents, which leads to economic losses for the city and rising public health costs. I appreciate that Tustin will soon be joining our neighboring cities with our own detailed plan, and I look forward to seeing it along with a timeline for implementation. Thank you.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. HELLO, MAYOR. HELLO, MAYOR. HELLO, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF, AND COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF, AND COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF, AND EVERYBODY IN EIGHTS. EVERYBODY IN EIGHTS. EVERYBODY IN EIGHTS. FIRST TIME DOING THIS, ACTUALLY. FIRST TIME DOING THIS, ACTUALLY. FIRST TIME DOING THIS, ACTUALLY. SO, UM, I'M, UH, SO, UM, I'M, UH, AND EXCITED TO KIND OF BE UP HERE. ANYWAYS, MY NAME IS RYAN. I DO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. BUT THE ONE I REALLY WANT TO BRING FORWARD IS WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION. AND SO I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE. I WAS VOTING. And I know that we're discussing kind of what's going on with the base and the land that's all there. And so I know there's been a lot of different conversations. There's been a lot of different things that are going on. And I just want to express, not as someone that has served because I don't deserve that. My father, my grandfather were both Marines. But working with other veterans and kind of their voice, they want to make sure that there's a space that's there, that that priority is a focus. And I know many of you guys have expressed some stuff, but I just kind of wanted to put something on the record and said, Thank you for the conversations and everything that's going forward. But just to make sure that there's a proper space for them to have that respect from everything that was there.

So thank you. Thank you. Madam City Clerk, do we have any other requests to speak? Yes, Mr. Mayor.

We have two on Zoom. And the first one we'll let in is Ethan.

Oh, hi. I just like to, again, I know the active transportation plan will be voted on later. I like to voice my support for this. This is an amazing step in the right direction. And I think it would be great for pedestrians and cyclists. Those, you know, the many who use the bike lanes to go to school and whatnot, it's going to make it safer. And I really want to express my support there. And I also want to... mentioned that OCTA is trying to cut funding for Metrolink. And Metrolink is a pretty vital service for many Tustin residents. We have among the highest service usage for our station in the entirety of SoCal, just behind Union Station, and the San Bernardino station with around 500 residents using it a day. This there's threatened. It's being threatened to be cut in funding. And I think I urge city council to urge OCTA to not cut funding because of how many Tustin residents simply use it. And it's going to be useful, especially in the long term, as Tustin Legacy will be developed with many people living near the area and things like the want to use the train instead of drive to avoid traffic. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

We have David Martinez.

Hello, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council. My name is David Martinez. I'm the state policy manager with Streets for All. And just like the previous public commenter, I wanted to tell you about OCTA's proposed cuts to Metrolink funding. Metrolink is a critical resource for thousands of riders in Southern California, and like the previous commenter before me mentioned, Tustin Station is one of the busiest stations on the Metrolink network. It is also my home station. I'm from Costa Mesa. I bike up to Tustin Station in order to take Metrolink, and I don't want to see service reductions on that line. Now, knowing that none of you serve on the OCTA board, I simply wanted to bring this to your attention so that hopefully you can talk to your colleagues on the OCTA board. And for you, that will be Councilmember Tavalares of Orange, Mayor Homescu of Santa Ana, and Supervisor Sarmiento. Those are the decision makers for this vote that will be able to have an effect so that these trains, these transportation alternatives are not cut for the hundreds of riders daily and the thousands of riders across the region. OCTA has a budget surplus. They're not cutting it because they're facing budget deficits. So there is a way to pay for it. I'm happy to share how we can do that if any of you are interested. But I urge you to ask your colleagues on the OCTA board to not cut funding to Metrolink. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other requests to speak?

Yes, Mr. Mayor. We have Gabriel.

Good evening, City Council. Like the City of Tustin, OCTA is working on their budget right now for the upcoming fiscal year and cuts to Metrolink servicers being seriously discussed. So I'm calling in also to ask you as city leaders to urge OCTA not to cut funding for Metrolink. Tustin is one of the 11 OC cities with the train station, but unlike a lot of them, we don't get Amtrak service. Metrolink is the only service at the Tustin train station, so maintaining that service should mean that much more to us. We've got a lot of really exciting ambition for building out the Tustin legacy, but a meaningful part of that long-term plan is the anchor of the train station. a train station which allows Tustin residents of today and of the future to commute to jobs and do other travel. Just last week at our city's public art commission, they were discussing the possibility of new public art at our train station with multiple commissioners even talking about their own use of the station for commuting. And I even have a new employee that started just on Monday and he was commuting from LA into OC using the Tustin train station for his commute. Funding reduction to public transit creates a vicious cycle, and OCTA should be making Metrolink more useful with more flexible service, not less. So please use your voice as city leaders to ask OCTA to protect Metrolink funding and prevent cuts to rail service.

Thank you. Thank you. Any other requests to speak?

No, Mr. Mayor.

Anybody in the room? Okay, we'll move on from public input and move to the closed session report. Mr. City Attorney, Michael Delton.

Thank you, Mayor. There is no reportable action at a closed session this evening.

Thank you. Next, we have the consent calendar, items one through six. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion without discussion. Public input for the consent calendar. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak form if you have not already. If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council on items one through six, please raise your hand. Do I have any request to pull items from the council? No. Madam City Clerk, any request to speak?

No, Mr. Mayor.

Okay, do I have a motion for the consent calendar? I think a motion, Mr. Mayor. Do I have a motion? Motion and a second. Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

Council Member Nielsen?

Yes.

Council Member Fink? Aye. Council Member Gallagher? Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Chanel?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. Next, we'll move on to regular business. We have items 7 and 8, and item number 7 tonight is the Tustin Legacy Outreach Report and Next Steps. The presentation tonight will include two parts. The first is JPW Communications Vice President Suzanne Bankhead will provide a PowerPoint presentation summarizing the Tustin Legacy Outreach and Engagement Report and highlight key findings. Then after Suzanne speaks, we'll have City Manager's Office staff Jason Loya, who will provide a PowerPoint presentation identifying potential next steps related to advancing efforts within the Tustin Legacy. Suzanne.

Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to be here, Mayor, City Council. Suzanne Bankhead of JPW Communications. And as you know, our team has been out and about in the community since March of 2025, engaged with them about a very important conversation about test and legacy. And so tonight, I want to review with you our engagement goals, our outreach activities conducted to date. I'll share a highlight of the outcomes and participation trends that we observed, also some key insights and themes, and then discuss what all this means moving forward and some next steps. So just starting with our engagement goals, way back in March of 2025, we worked with you on these engagement goals for the process. So just an orientation of what we committed to in the beginning of this process. And then similarly, here's where we dedicated the process and the conversation. There's key opportunity areas that are illustrated here, as well as key areas for dialogue in this engagement process. And so in the beginning of the process, we also heard direction from council to really go out into the community and engage them where they were at. We wanted to start first with education and just really making sure the community had a firm foundation of the right information and also just giving them a chance to be more informed and to be able to provide more meaningful input as that conversation evolves. We started our process with a more, designed the outreach process to be more comprehensive, and then it also was designed to engage through a variety of in-person and online methods. So we really had a mix of those outreach activities. And then, as I mentioned, that shift in the conversation that happened from education and awareness building in the beginning to being more about discussion that was detailed and nuanced about trade-offs and constraints and opportunities, that's really where we landed most recently. So I'll share a bit of that overview of the activities conducted to date. Here's a good snapshot of that and a visual illustration. And I think what you'll see here is just a layered outreach approach that covered 15 months. And we started out with stakeholder conversations and interviews and pop-up outreach events at beloved community events. And so what we saw there is a chance to really measure that baseline understanding and really identify the questions that community members had in order to inform the future of our efforts. And then from there, outreach efforts really expanded beyond more broadly. So we've moved into open houses. the local reuse authority meeting, community workshops, surveys, and then ongoing digital comms that really met the community where they were at to be able to continue to build that baseline understanding, and then, of course, gathering input at key milestones. I think one other important thing to note here is, as you can see, there's a diverse group of outreach activities We really looked at this from the beginning as everyone engages in a different way. Not everyone wants to participate in the same way. So we tried to give everyone an opportunity, whether you preferred an in-person meeting or you wanted to take a survey from the comfort of your couch with a cup of coffee, maybe. We gave everyone the opportunity to do that. And even folks that wanted to sort of observe the process from afar, getting our e-blasts, seeing things on social media, there's really opportunity to give folks multiple methods to participate. And then one final note here is that this effort was sustained over time. This wasn't a one and done type outreach event. It was really intended to have engagement opportunities over time. And together, these opportunities created thousands of touch points with the community, provided a number of ways for people to learn in the way that they preferred and what worked best for them. So you heard a little bit about the outputs, but let's talk a little bit about outcomes and some of the participation trends that we observed. Three major trends, they emerged in this process. First, our community awareness increased over time. When we started out in 2025, we had many participants that had limited familiarity with Tustin Legacy. By spring 2026, more than 90% of our survey respondents reported feeling informed or at least somewhat informed about the process. That suggests the outreach helped build that understanding we'd set out from in the beginning on a very complex topic. Secondly, our outreach efforts continue to meet people where they were at and to engage new participants. In April of 2026, 50% of our survey respondents reported they had not previously participated in an outreach event, which tells us we weren't simply engaging the same people again and again. We had new people that were entering the process, which is important. And our expanded efforts also helped us reduce some of the barriers to participation for harder-to-reach audiences, Spanish speakers in the community, families with young kids. And sometimes that can be a barrier for participation, but this process showed that we did a good job of reaching people where they were at. And then finally, the conversation did become more nuanced over time, as I mentioned before. It started out from very transactional, foundational information in the beginning of the process to conversations about feasibility, cost, land use opportunities, and long-term planning considerations that reflected a more informed and nuanced public dialogue. So just some key insights. I guess as we move into that, let me preface this section by saying the themes that you'll hear here, they weren't prepared from just one outreach meeting or maybe one survey. It really represents that themes over time that emerged throughout those multiple touch points in the process. And because the participation was really self-driven, it was voluntary, this is a little different, not intended to be statistically representative of the entire community. But the most important piece of this is that the beauty of the outreach really lies in the consistency of the feedback that we heard across multiple engagement methods over that period of time. So what were those areas of community alignment we found for the parks and open space were the clearest and most consistent area of alignment in the community. Participants view these spaces as essential components of a future legacy core. In our April 2026 survey, We saw 88% of our respondents that supported parks and open space with only 2% opposed. Secondly, community members also expressed interest in creating a destination-oriented community space. They wanted to see that combined recreation, culture, history with community activity that was year-round. And so our survey results in April 2026 back this up with 67% supporting community centers, events and performance were supported by 59% of respondents, and then 57% supported feature elements that honored our military history, and that was another key component. The third piece here is seeing history honored throughout that process. That remained a key element of our conversation with the community. As you might imagine, a variety of opinions on how that might happen, but everyone agrees that that is a key component of future planning and development in the legacy. And then finally, there was a great appreciation for your efforts and commitment to engagement and outreach with the community across every touchpoint. People made sure to let us know that they appreciate that effort and that investment. And while these don't represent every single comment that we received, this is just a smattering of the types of feedback that we got. And the Venn diagram on the left really illustrates what we heard people wanting more of, so a balance. They want to see the future of legacy landmark public space that balances parks and open space, civic destinations, and history and preservation. While there were areas of alignment, there were also areas that needed some additional education and discussion as planning moves forward, starting first with the ownership, governance, and long-term responsibilities. That remained among the most common topics that were raised throughout the process. Questions about ownership were followed quickly by environmental cleanup, site constraints, and safety. And then housing was another one that was very nuanced. You had quite a mixed reaction to future housing. Some folks were concerned about density and traffic, but also saw a need to have affordable housing. And as long as that aligned with the community character, there was support for that. And then lastly, These conversations naturally led into future planning efforts and how future development might be supported by infrastructure and mobility and traffic controlled in the future development of legacy. And as I mentioned, the biggest shift in the dialogue was really around back to the educational foundational information and that shift moving more to emerging trade-offs and planning considerations. We found these to be the highlights. The Navy's hangars provide the clearest example of where the trade-off conversation began. We had many, many participants early in our process where there was a focus on preservation and not understanding fully what that might look like and understanding those costs. the considerations and the trade-offs that might pursue with that conversation in the community, that really came to the forefront. And I think that conversation shifted quite a bit from whether the hangars would be important in the future of Legacy to where that trade-off of how that history might be honored in a way that's feasible, safe, and beneficial to the community over time. And a similar pattern emerged with the parks, public spaces, and community amenities. Participants consistently expressed support for these spaces, while they also asked practical questions about the funding, the maintenance, infrastructure, traffic, and long-term sustainability. And as mentioned before, the housing was quite a diverse mix of perspectives. As I mentioned, the concerns were raised about density, traffic, and future infrastructure, while other views viewed housing as a way to support broader community goals and initiatives. And those future discussions would likely need to focus on balancing the benefits and impacts of future housing. And finally, participants expressed a desire for Legacy to become a destination that reflects the community's identity while honoring its past. And they also sought more clarity around some of that future process, what the timelines would look like, what the decision points might be, what the roles might be in the future. So taken together, I think this suggests that shift in the conversation to people looking at a more balanced, sustainable program in the future development of Legacy. So what does all this mean moving forward? We came up with a few recommendations as we move into the next phase of the conversation. We know that this is one chapter and one piece of that. The conversation will continue and planning will continue. And as we move into that phase, these are some important things we feel we should keep our eye on as we move forward. Continuing to prioritize clear and accessible information. As I mentioned, that's being well received from the community. You can tell that's leading to a more informed community. And then secondly, connecting the community vision to feasibility and implementation. It's like that balancing act of the aspirations with legacy with the feasibility of implementation that will only lead to better informed dialogue downstream about what's possible, the trade-offs required, and advancing those community priorities. Third, maintaining the variety of outreach engagement that we pursued in the first phase. That was well received by the community. I think we got great participation across all those different activities. And that's a great way to keep adding more people to the conversation and engaging the harder to reach audiences. Along those lines, that fourth bullet is just continuing to make this engagement process accessible in multiple languages and to multiple audiences. And then looking at that, supporting the future dialogue around trade-offs and long-term considerations. Again, that's really where this community is at. This process has brought them to being very informed and understanding some of those trade-offs and considerations moving forward. And lastly, just continuing transparent communication and reporting throughout the process as you already have through city council updates and also the LRA. Next steps, we have a post-workshop survey that is still out in the field, just getting input from the people that attend the April workshops. And then we'll, throughout the summer, continue to be at pop-up outreach events throughout the community and, of course, be supporting the annual city LRA meeting on August 18th. Thank you so much for your time. Rapid fire report there, but we'll be back a little bit later. Thank you.

Thank you, Suzanne. And before we bring Jason up, I just wanted to, on behalf of the council, thank you for your continuing work and engaging in dialogue with our residents. I think you outlined well the data inputs, the various different media that we've used to meet them where they are, and that's not going to stop anytime soon. We're going to keep that discussion going. Any questions? Sorry.

No, thank you.

Any questions before we bring up? Yeah, Council Member Fink.

Yes, thank you. I'll echo what the Mayor said about efforts that you and your whole team have put forward. Because I see you everywhere. I'm trying to toss small football during the sunset market just to attract attention to each of us a little bit. And we've got on the agenda tonight some very small steps, but initial steps, important. That is almost sure to cause a swarm of misinformation out there. There's another project in the city where they're renovating Enderly Center. And the misinformation you can find out there is pretty extraordinary. So I guess my question to you is, and you might not have an answer now, but as we move forward, we've done a good job of like getting to the people that we can talk to. And we've been out almost as much as it seems as we can talk to. But how do we address the misinformation that's almost going to, certainly going to come when the next steps are taken and be able to make, because that's really important to get that because when we do have more concrete steps that are going to be taken that might have, might have, might have a lot of contention and disagreement. We want to make sure that those are honest and we're bringing facts to it. So what should we do?

Well, I would say continue to do what we have already done. I would look back at the data when we first started about some of the I think what this council wanted to do with education is maybe that misconception about ownership and some of those realities. I think I would use that same approach that we use there and being able to measure that over time and see how have our outreach efforts supported that education, and is it working, and are the methods that we're using working? And I do feel like there's a lot of, again, I could go through data in the report to show you that, of just how that shifted. I think people in their over, I guess their statement in the survey of from March 2025 or May 2025 to now, even just the familiarity of Tustin Legacy has greatly increased. from that point in time to now. So I think it's just continuing to work the plan. I think not shying away from being out there in the community and addressing that head on. But I think you're absolutely right that that will be a strategy we'll need to deploy. I think perhaps maybe ramping that up a bit, anticipating that is a good idea, and being prepared to go out as proactively as we have to date.

Just one other, just to follow up, slightly different, but in terms of getting input, we've got really good input from the people that we're able to connect to. And some of that's self-selection on engagement. But some of it is, I mean, you guys have done a very good job of reaching out, is at some point, and you don't have to answer this now because maybe it's something to consider, but There's an election going on across the hallway. We've seen all sorts of polls. Does it make sense at some point to do a scientific poll rather than the surveys that we've had? And is that something that you've seen done in other similar efforts like this?

Sure. I do think it's a matter of, yeah, I think goals of the objective of what we're trying to accomplish. But I definitely think research, and if that is important to the team and to the city council for that to be statistically valid, that's certainly something we could consider moving forward.

Councilmember Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First of all, I want to say you guys have done a spectacular job on this. Been around a long time, as I keep telling everybody. But previously, really the only outreach that the city had done, unless it was an event-based situation, was refer to our website. And that doesn't do much. You guys have done a fantastic outreach job. So I just want to ask you, for particularly Spanish-speaking outreach, can you go a little more in detail on what you guys actually did for that? Because we have a large Spanish-speaking population, and we want to make them feel as inclusive as we can.

Absolutely, I we did I know that this I guess this goes beyond just like simple translation to I think we certainly did that we included Information materials in Spanish and and looking at is there a barrier for engagement? That's preventing people from from coming into the process. We also Went out into events that are important in the community Viva Tustin, you know year to year We were there that's in South Tustin. I know from working with the city on the brand that that that is a community that has felt maybe perhaps left out of engagement with the city. So that was an important priority to make, to really make sure we were engaging in a community event in their language and having bilingual team members that were there to explain what we were doing and different steps in the process. And some of those conversations included just, do you feel like you're getting information about this and understanding how they get their information? And it did seem like they were getting our TUSN legacy information. There wasn't a huge barrier to overcome there. But I certainly think as this moves forward, And planning considerations are being made that we should re-examine that, make sure that everything we're doing there is enough in their eyes to make sure those voices are included.

Well, certainly appreciate that. And also the education portion, which I think cuts down on the rumor mill in Tustin. So thank you very much for that. Yeah, thank you. That's all I have, Mr. Graham.

Council Member Gallagher, thank you.

THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE. I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL SIX YEARS NOW, AND WE'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS. THIS WAS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT, AND WHEN YOU SAW IT ALL ON THAT ONE PAGE, You're in awe at the end. I mean, thousands of hours, I'm sure, represented by that. I mean, the outreach that was done is just unparalleled to what we've done before. And what's amazing is that this is just the first step. So what you've produced is very valuable. And that goes to my question. So two questions. Is it possible? There's some really good information in here. Is it possible to create, to distill that down to? What I'm picturing is like a Rubik or a matrix where We have these together. And we can start to, as we're going through our development process, we're constantly reminded of this is what the community is looking for. And it's a framework that we can apply to how we evaluate projects. And having that at the forefront. And then the second piece of having that would be, as you start to go out, you now have a foundation that people can start responding to. And so that can evolve over time. But unless we understand what the baseline is and we're constantly referring back to it, then we run the risk of losing the work. And so I guess that's my first question. Is that something we could do, is to distill this down to like a one page as far as the?

Yeah, guiding principles almost for future, almost like design guidelines, but yeah, for future development. Is that where you're mentioning?

Yeah, I just want to make sure we're not losing sight of this as we continue down all these other paths. And then the next one is, you touched on all these different avenues for communication. I've got to imagine going forward, though, that we're going to be able to apply some lessons learned and focus in our energy where we're seeing the most response. And then the second part of that question is, is there a way to apply metrics going forward? We know the baseline for an event. We know how many, you had 700-something people as part of our email list. Can we start applying metrics so that we kind of know, are we building our Are we building our platform?

Right. Yeah, I know in our, let's see, I think this was the survey, April survey, 2026, where we did ask, maybe that was, I'm sorry, I misspoke. Our April workshop survey, that was the participants at those April workshops. They did indicate that they appreciated the workshops as a tactic. I think the social media posts that we're putting out are people like those a lot. And there was one other one, thank you, the postcards. So and remember we did three of those.

All three of the most expensive things by the way.

Exactly, yes, and again each time 34,000 people, but again back to that, the concept of just not a set it and forget it type outreach effort, we did that incrementally at Key Milestones so people could decide are you gonna engage in this, are you gonna self-select into this process. I think that's something good to continue to do just in case we've missed people, I can say, Myself, I don't pay attention to every single movement initiative that's happening in my community. But with something as big as this, I think that's a good tactic to include moving forward. And to your point about learning what's working, doing more of what's working, and less of the things that aren't as engaging or effective, I certainly think that's a great way to make data-driven decisions moving forward. where we're getting the most bang for our buck. I would say the pop-up outreach events, I think even if those weren't the number one thing that topped the list, it's still important. You're looking at a cross-section of the community, kind of the folks that are doing life, that you can just get them right where they're at. I think that's an important tactic moving forward as well.

Thank you. OK, before we bring Jason up, any other questions, comments? And this will be a public input item tonight for the audience, if anybody wants to speak. Yeah, . Hi, Suzanne.

Hi.

Awesome job.

Thank you. Like I said, having worked in marketing advertising years ago, again, just the fact you're able to move the needle from 61% or 60% to 91% as far as awareness, which is the hardest thing. And then again, you can kind of drill down and get a higher level of engagement. And it's good to see that you're getting more nuanced questions. to amplify what council member Gallagher was going to say you mentioned work the plan and then that you're not afraid to modify that plan which is fantastic and I'm glad that we're looking to meet people where they're at and part of that is is language Is the plan to look at, again, what we've done and look at other mediums that we can actually reach people, whether it's drip campaigns, text messaging, those types of things, to, again, work the plan, modify the plan so we have better outcomes?

Sure. Yeah, I think this deserves, as we look at the strategy for the next phase, is looking at perhaps there's new tools, new mediums that have worked well or that we think would be useful. successful in reaching those harder to reach audiences. I could say there'd be some more targeted approach there. Maybe for families, it's one approach. Maybe Spanish speakers in the community, it's another. But definitely, I think that deserves another look of how do we move forward? It's doing the things that have worked well so far and then considering in this next phase, what other audiences do we want to reach? And then what are those tools to reach them, to your point? And I certainly know text messaging is something we did look at in the beginning of the process. And we do have some good data on that and what that might look like in cost. So we could certainly take that into consideration in the next phase in the strategy.

That's great. Yeah, I mean, I know the intent of when we started this over a year ago was to bring the community in, to be transparent. And as I've mentioned multiple times here in the dais, it's all of our community. We want that input. And we're not doing it in a punctuary fashion. We genuinely want the input from our community to hear what they want their city to be you know, in the next five years, the next 10 years, the next 25 years, it's critical that we get that feedback so we can plan accordingly for, again, the future of Tustin. So, again, great work. Really appreciate what you've done and look forward to what's going to happen over the next 12 months. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Suzanne.

We reserve the right to bring you back up here later, but you can sit down now if you want.

Thank you.

All right. Next, we have City Manager Office Staff Jason Moya for another presentation. Jason.

Okay, good evening Mayor and members of the City Council. Jason Loya, City Manager's Office, Real Property Team. So this presentation's focusing on the Southanger and the Northanger. As mentioned, we're looking to advance our efforts within this area, and in particular what we're referring to as the Tustin Legacy Core. Trying to also acknowledge the sentiments that we've received by this report, and we want to align all those goals. To re-familiarize those watching and listening, this is a map of the core area. This 32 acres, I'll hover my mouse over it, that is where the south hangar is located. The south hangar is about six acres of that 32 acres. And then looking above that in the yellow area, that is where the north hangar was formerly located. and is about 85 acres, otherwise known as parcel 18. The remainder of that area includes the city-owned portion, which is 78 acres. And collectively, there's approximately 234 acres total. Discussing the current conditions of the south hangar, we're referring to that as the status quo where we're at today. We do know it's Navy-owned. The city does lease this, and it's notable to mention that we are also liable for that facility. Its limited uses are due to the structural and life safety constraints. And the primary use currently is for Goodyear airship maintenance. We've also implemented several security and operational measures following the Northanger fire. Those include everything from security fencing to on-site security 24-7. We have improved the access for public safety. We've installed cameras. And we've included everything from that to Let's see what else, just so I touch on it. And additional lighting. So we've now installed lighting as well. Collectively, we're projecting it out to be about $13.7 million over a 10-year horizon. So these costs are about over a million a year. And then escalated over time, we see where it could end up with the current conditions as it stands. When we talk about repairing and investing in the South Hanger, there's three scenarios that we're looking at. These were determined by Page and Turnbull, our consultant. We have the baseline stabilization, the rehabilitation scenario, and then the renovation scenario. These estimated costs are escalated to today's dollars. They were originally based on the 2016-2017 report. But we've looked at the construction cost index to really try to capture what we think the range of magnitude would be to actually see these projects out. For the baseline stabilization, the purpose there is to stabilize and preserve. provide for the airship maintenance to continue in a more safe manner. It includes some limited structural improvements, as well as some safety measures, such as basic fire alarm systems. The rehab scenario comes up to over $200 million. This is an event-based reuse, and it would provide for special events and filming to continue at the South Hanger. There's more comprehensive improvements with this one, but yet there's another level of renovations that we looked at, which is $271 million for a full adaptive reuse scenario. supplement the structural integrity of the hangar and provide for mixed use and active programming. So the facility would be used regularly at that point. Outlining the next steps specific to the south hangar, we are looking at going from an offering authorization to broker selection, producing an offering memorandum, evaluating proposals, and selecting a potential partner. This is our way of going to the market and determining what interest there is, what kind of development partners are looking to move into something like the South Hanger, and getting a glimpse of what today's market is looking for, if they're looking for that at all, and what the feasibility would be as it relates to that. Just actually back up two seconds. And then just to point out the timeline here, if we were to receive authorization to move forward, we would look at going through this process and potentially selecting a developer or coming back with what our options are in the second quarter of 2027. Then looking at the north hangar, so back to parcel 18 and the 85 acres, the next steps here would be to initiate discussions with the Navy regarding the framework planning components. This slide quickly highlights some of the images that were put on display at the April workshop. And for those who were unable to attend, we've put this online so it is available. And we'd encourage anyone to go take a look. And then just to add a note to that, this also includes the short film that was produced, The Heart of Tessin's Legacy, History, Honor, and Opportunities Within the Navy's Hangars. So all of these things are available on the city's website on the Legacy landing page. And with that, I'll say thank you and open it up to any questions.

Thank you, Jason. Good job. appreciate the presentation in support of staff recommendation. We'll get into that a little bit, but thank you for the information. Questions for Jason before we start the public input for this item?

No. Mayor Pro Tem? Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. Just a few questions. So the status quo amount was 1.2 to 1.5 over the next 10 years. And that's with no real opportunity to generate any income, correct? That's just, again, maintaining some of the security measures that we have in place, but not, again, bringing any commercial endeavors into the hangar.

Correct. stick to using it for Goodyear airship maintenance. So they come periodically. But other than that, there wouldn't be any additional uses.

So then the $22 million, which is to stabilize the airship maintenance, that would be a one-time cost?

For that particular scenario, that's correct.

OK. And that would just allow us to continue to bring in the Goodyear blimp. And do they pay any money to do repairs or work on their blimps?

They do rent the hangar from us. That's what you're.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They do pay a fee for that.

Okay. Is it kind of a nominal amount?

We do. Well, yeah, it was 9,000 per day was like the base rate. So we've looked at different things over the years with them because they've been a long-term partner. Okay. But that's generally the base rate when we're leasing out the north hangar, or excuse me, south hangar.

OK, and then the last question I have is, so the $203 million, which would shore up the structural integrity and just allow us to do some events inside and also potentially do some filming. You may not know this answer, but do you have a rough idea of how much revenue we've generated from filming? Like from some of the movies in the past, have we generated substantial income from filming and other types of commercial activities?

I don't have that number offhand, but that's something that we can look up and share.

OK, just trying to get an understanding of a $203 million investment, what type of return are we getting? Are we going to get $200 million of film studios wanting to use it or not?

I don't think we're close to reaching that cost recovery. OK, all right. Thank you.

Mr. Mayor?

Yes, Council Member Nielsen.

Just curious, as far as choosing a broker, this is a very specialized, obviously, location and hangar. I don't know, we're specifically looking for brokers that are familiar with military reuse of buildings? Is that what we're starting with?

Yeah, we're So we've expanded our bench of brokers over the last, let's say, two years. And there's other hangers that have gone through different endeavors and partnered with different companies. So we think that there's potentially maybe a national firm that would have that expertise or at least a little bit more expertise than the standard broker. So we do feel confident that we may have a couple options for brokerages that can help us.

Okay, great, thank you. That's all I have, Mr. Mayor. Questions before we have public input?

All right, thank you, Jason, good job. All right, next we're gonna move, and we might also call you back up, Jason, so don't relax yet. Next we're gonna move to public input for this item. Any members of the public who wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak form, and if you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any request to speak?

Yes, Mr. Mayor, we currently have two at the moment on Zoom. The first one's going to be John Garay.

I just had a quick question on the redevelopment part for the self-hanger. Is its current state safe for the public to be around? One of the revenue generating ideas that I had was typically like swap meets and trade shows. Are people able to be there or is that something that they would need money to make sure that it's safe for the public? Because you just provide like those tents for shade. So that was my question.

If you have any other comments, get them out now. I'll respond to you in my comments though. All right. Thank you, John. Next speaker.

Next speaker is Bill O'Day.

I should have been clearer on Zoom. My name is William Johnson. I'm attending for the first time remotely. Poems have the unique capacity among all art to make nothing happen. The powerful one that moves me today is Psalm 91. He that dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my God and him I will trust. I'll save you from reading the whole thing, pero es importante a mí empezarme en la idioma que es natural de nuestra partido, aparte de este país aquí, muy local en español. I don't know. I'm very happy. I'm very grateful to hear again that our city council works so well and so transparently. Thank you very much. It's nice even to be able to dial in remotely and hear the results of a survey. I have the happy disposition, but unhappy role of taking at least a mildly contrarian perspective here that I've While there is a lot of effort that has gone into these surveys, I have been asked to share my critical feedback. I will continue to share it in good humor. There is an important percentage of our population which want to be approached not just in translated materials, but in culturally relevant ways. And I speak in Spanish on purpose simply to reflect the fact that I'm not sure how many in our audience understand that, but I do know there are a few members of our city government who are fluent. And I am so grateful to Suzanne and her team for the work that they do in a transformative approach to community feedback. And I also want to partner to make sure that these UNDERREPRESENTED PERSPECTIVES ARE REFLECTED. I THINK I FEEL A LITTLE NERVOUS LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE THAT HAS DEVELOPMENT BEGINNING IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR WHEN I REFLECT ON THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND THAT WE SHARE IN COMMON AND I REFLECT ON THE REAL LAW OF THE LAND WHICH SAYS THAT IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT FREE ENTERPRISE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF COMMUNITY AND OF COURSE I'M REFERRING TO THE 1944 Surplus Land Act and the 1990 Defense-Based Closure and Realignment Act. These are important acts which govern the land. I'm grateful for this public process and I'm participating with an open and happy heart, hoping that people out there who aren't inclined to speak up and express a contrarian position, at least here, that while I appreciate that some data is coming out, 500 responses to a survey is still a very small percentage. And I think we as a city owe the city better. We can do more work together to bring more perspectives to this table. So I personally am committing to bring more voices to the community as I have committed to Councilman Fink and Councilman Schnell. I will bring more voices to Tustin City Council now that summertime. And I'm very grateful for the opportunity to speak, even though I'm not there this evening. There are more voices comprising a meaningful percentage of our community which are not participating in how we govern the land which we all share. Thank you very much.

Thank you for your comments. Any other requests to speak, Madam City Clerk?

No, Mr. Mayor.

I see one in person. Anybody else in person, please come forward and fill out a card. But Mr. Beatty?

My name is Pete Beatty. I'm president of the Tustin Military History. I've dealt with all you guys in here, and I tell you, in the very beginning, I said, why should I even speak up because you guys already decided what you were going to do? But as I got more involved, and this lady and these people got more involved, I started to see all the good things that were going on, okay? I basically kind of said, okay, the hangar's a hangar, and Whatever happens, keep your fingers. And I do know, talking to all of you and other people, you have searched. I mean, Ray, you've looked for everybody. John, everybody here has looked for somebody to take that hangar. Even General Aguilar is doing the flying leathernecks. At one time, was going to take the two hangars, but it didn't work out. He's building a museum, a $50 million museum in Irvine. And my hope is to have something out there that has the real McCoy, either the hangar or the control tower, which I'm looking to save, so that we can take people and they can go and they fly into Los Angeles and see that big hangar and they know that it's important that they could go to the Flying Leathernecks in Irvine drop off at our place whatever we have to show what we represented, the people that served. And some of them didn't come back. A lot of them didn't come back. And then they could go to Hollywood or Disneyland. But they would connect the dots. And that's been my process. And also, Tustin Military History is now reforming into an educational group. That was the thing in the very beginning. It wasn't so much to save something, because we figured you guys would do something, but to educate younger kids on the history. And I think it's rather surprising kids today, when they look at a map of Alaska, and I lived there at one time, Alaska and Hawaii, And the United States, they think Alaska is an island. They're not getting history. And our goal in Tustin military history is to educate the younger kids when they grow up that they realize Alaska is not an island. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other requests to speak, Madam City Clerk?

No, Mr. Mayor.

All right, thank you. I'm going to bring it, close public input, bring it back to council. I'd like to start off by framing out some things. First, Suzanne, thank you for your presentation. I think you... gave the right amount of focus and time on the inputs that we got for the community's vision. And the big takeaways for me are parks and green space, open space, destination-oriented community space, honor military history. That's the framework or lens that I'm looking at this through. Our job as a council and as a city organization is to continue talking to community about the implementation of that vision. And there's a lot of complicated and nuanced decision points in that process that we're gonna be working through in the future based on the input that we have so far. But one thing that is clear to me is that the status quo is completely unacceptable. THE BASE CLOSED ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, THE HANGERS ARE FALLING A BASE CLOSED ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, THE HANGERS ARE FALLING APART BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN DONE APART BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN DONE WITH THEM, ONE OF THEM BURNED WITH THEM, ONE OF THEM BURNED DOWN, THE OTHER ONE IS COSTING DOWN, THE OTHER ONE IS COSTING $1.5 MILLION A YEAR JUST TO KEEP $1.5 MILLION A YEAR JUST TO KEEP STANDING AND HOPEFULLY NOBODY STANDING AND HOPEFULLY NOBODY TRESPASSING INTO IT AND DOING TRESPASSING INTO IT AND DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. SOMETHING SIMILAR. THAT'S COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE AS THAT'S COMP inform our decisions with the best data that we can gather through a very collaborative process to move forward. The notion of timelines, the only thing that we're talking about tonight for timelines is potentially moving forward with staff recommendation to put an offering out for the Southanger use. We've never done that in a formal fashion and we may not get any proposals back that we can actually act on, but we need to know that. We have informally approached and been approached by private partners, potential partners who are always scared away when they go inside of it. It's a massive structure. You start talking about the dollars that, Jason, you presented tonight. for the rehabilitation, that is massive sums of money that the city doesn't have and a lot of private companies don't have. Maybe there's a unicorn out there and we're looking for that unicorn. We're going to put out an offering and see what comes back. But at least we're gathering more information to inform our decision-making moving forward. What we do with the South Hanger or don't do with the South Hanger is ultimately going to be in that framework of, like I said, parks, open space, destination-oriented community space on our military history. The watchtower is something, Pete, that you've been working on. That's a great idea. If we can do it, we will. Can we save the south hangar by ourselves? I'm going to go out on a limb and say the city doesn't have $230 million just sitting around to spend on the hangar. So we're trying to find a partner that can help us with that. And the answer may be that it's more cost beneficial and the least liability for the city and the community to take it down. But we're not making that decision yet. That's going to be informed by future steps that we're considering tonight. Earlier, we had a public commenter from the American Legion in understanding that the military community in Tustin, which is such a vital part of our city, wants a space to go to. We want a space for you to go to as well. Maybe that's part of this overall legacy project, but it's not what we're considering tonight. It will be informed by the decisions that we make about the Southanger and Parcel 18. So we're trying to, as I think Councilmember Gallagher said, a rubric or something like that, a framework by which to approach future decisions. That's what we're building right now. And I'm honored to serve with this council and this staff. Thank you, staff, also, and to our consultants for all the hard work that you've done to be willing to make these decisions. Because I'll go back to the way that I started, that the status quo is completely unacceptable. I'm not going to sit here and spend $15 million over the next eight of your money over the next eight years to have a couple security guards going around barbed wire and lights shining on the hangar. That's just not going to go while at least I'm sitting up here. And I think the council, we're all lockstep in that, that we want to make smart decisions with our funds and also to preserve the military history. So thank you for the presentations. Thank you for the work that's done. I think we're going to make a small decision tonight to maybe move forward with the staff recommendation, but it's small in the context of the overall legacy planning. I just kind of want to level set us. So I'll get off my soapbox. Who wants to go next? Councilmember Gallagher.

All right. on a couple of comments. I think you answered them, but I just want to really make sure that the understanding is clear. So I think John Gray asked if it's safe for swap meets. It is not. And so in the baseline condition where you had $22 million, that was just to refurbish to a point that you could utilize it safely for only its intended purpose, which is the airships. And so I just want to make that clear. As far as swap meets or any other type of public use, that would really fall under the $203 million option. OK. The next one was development, William Johnson. Development is not occurring. So development is not occurring in 2027. That timeline was basically proposals would be coming back in early 2027. So the way that our process works is we do an offering. And in this case, I would suggest we actually do an early notice to kind of get people positioned. There is only a handful of companies in the world IT'S NOT EVEN JUST THE COST, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT A PER ACRE BASIS IS EXTREMELY HIGH, IT'S THE TIME. Firms that have that type of money are moving very quickly. And there is a ton of liability, risk, and uncertainty in rehabbing that facility. There is the Moffett Airship Base, which is comparable. And Google is probably one of those handful. And unfortunately, they've already got their hangar, so they're not interested. But this process will take us into early next year. And at that point, we would understand what those proposals are. Now, I would say, and this is I WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS THAT COME BACK. COME BACK. I THINK MAYOR PROTEM HAD A GOOD I THINK MAYOR PROTEM HAD A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC QUESTION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS. ANALYSIS. SO THE NUMBERS WE SAW WERE JUST SO THE NUMBERS WE SAW WERE JUST CAPITAL COSTS. CAPITAL COSTS. VERY HIGH LEVEL, VERY VERY HIGH LEVEL, VERY CONCEPTUAL. CONCEPTUAL. I THINK WHEN WE DO COME BACK I THINK WHEN WE DO COME BACK EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE WANT TO SEE ANY EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE WANT TO SEE ANY NUMBERS THAT DO COME BACK, WE NUMBERS THAT DO COME BACK, WE WANT TO SEE THOSE PACKAGED INTO WANT TO SEE THOSE PACKAGED INTO MORE OF A OK, so those were the two questions. Now I want to go back to the presentation. I also agree. I saw very clearly parks and open space, destination-oriented community space, honoring military heritage. And Pete, this is what we've talked about for a long time. It is there. That is core. That visual you created, I love it. That is what we should be constantly going back to, because that is the framework. The only piece that I think it's missing, and you talked about it later in your presentation, but the idea of balance. Of course we want all three of those things, but really the underpinning or almost the glue that keeps it together. It's on a scale. I don't know. But it's the smart development. We can't pay for any of those things without developing portions of the base. And that's the part of the conversation that I'm so proud of our community that they understood and were able to get to that point. Because I saw some of those comments. They were understanding that, hey, we can't have everything. And so that's the conversation. I'm glad that we're making it to that point. But I really do think it needs to be integrated into that, because it's IT'S PART OF THOSE THREE ITEMS, IT'S INTEGRATED WITH THAT. I DO THINK THAT IMAGE WILL BE, WHEN WE PUT THAT KIND OF SMART DEVELOPMENT PIECE IN THERE, IT BECOMES OUR NORTH STAR. AND THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSTANTLY GO BACK TO AS WE'RE EVALUATING. AND LIKE I SAID, IT MAY EVOLVE, BUT IT COULD BE OUR NORTH STAR AS WE APPLY IT TO FUTURE PROJECTS. AND SO I DO THINK I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL STEP BUT THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL STEP BUT IT'S A STEP THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE IT'S A STEP THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE BECAUSE I AGREE, I LIVE RIGHT BECAUSE I AGREE, I LIVE RIGHT NEAR THE HANGAR AND EVERY TIME I NEAR THE HANGAR AND EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY AND I JUST SEE THIS IS DRIVE BY AND I JUST SEE THIS IS JUST OUR MONEY, WE'RE JUST JUST OUR MONEY, WE'RE JUST WASTING AND FOR WHAT, TO WASTING AND FOR WHAT, TO MITIGATE SOME RISK? MITIGATE SOME RISK? THERE'S NO VALUE TO THE THERE'S NO VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE THAT AND COMMUNITY TO SEE THAT AND WHAT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THAT WHAT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THAT COST IS THAT FACILITY IS NOT COST IS THAT FACILITY IS NOT GETTING BET I STRONGLY BELIEVE WE DO NEED TO TAKE THIS NEXT STEP AND WE CAN ONLY TURN TO FIND PARTNERS. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A LOGICAL STEP AND I'M SO GLAD THAT WE ARE TAKING IT NOW.

Again, Suzanne, Jason, thank you very much for putting that together. And again, data is so key to help inform us as council and the community on what the best go forward decisions are going to be. I think the offering authorization is very smart. And as the mayor said, we've informally reached out to folks. But the fact that we're going to officially go out and try to solicit bids from interested parties to see what they could do to develop and commercialize the hangar is super, super smart. Again, the problem is that we're under a LIFOC, so we have 15 years. So it's very difficult with the amount of CapEx capital that you'd have to put in as a business to shore up that business. that facility, and then over 15 years to be able to generate enough of a return on that CapEx investment is almost impossible to do. The other piece of the equation that Councilmember Gallagher touched on, you know, in addition to $22 million or $203 million or $271 million, I mean, you've got the liability of the hangar. I mean, we as a city have spent $120 million remediating the cleanup from the north hangar being burnt down. The south hangar, we're responsible for the maintenance of that hangar. And it'll be in excess of $120 million. So when you take a look at all the costs, it's not just the cost of fixing up the building. It's the pension liability that's sitting there in the hangar. And if that burned down, again, our budget, which we're going to talk about after this, is $123 million. It would cost us an excess of probably $150 million to do all the remediation, which would bankrupt the city. So I just want to kind of level set expectations. But again, I'm very happy to see that we're going to go out and see what type of responses we get for potential commercialization. And then lastly, I would say, you know, the vision that staff and city council has about parks and community spaces and making Tufts into a destination, military history, very happy to see that the feedback that we're getting from all the types of engagement are mirroring the vision and North Star that we have for the city. And the Tustin legacy really want to make Tustin, if you look at a map, Tustin is right in the center of Orange County, we want to make Tustin a destination. So people aren't going down to Newport Beach, they're not going down to the Irvine Spectrum, they want to come to Tustin and they want to spend their money here, they want to live here, they want to raise their kids here, and that's really the whole point and the North Star that we have is making Tufts in that special place that people want to live and thrive in. So thank you, Mr. Mayor.

And just a point of clarification for the record is we spent over $100 million on the North Hangar and we're being reimbursed. And staff's doing a very good job of getting reimbursement dollars. But yes, Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, the Hangar is... You know, thinking back and the history that has been there and that we've seen, it's kind of a part of who we are. And I think nobody up here wants to do anything than try to do something with it. But there are realities involved. The other thing is, I don't even think the numbers include support infrastructure for the hangar if it was going to be reused, utilities and water and everything else. So I think that would be extra. So I think this is a good step in the right direction. It gives us the opportunity to see the information. What is somebody willing to pay for it? What is somebody willing to invest in it? Who's out there that would be willing to do that, or at least talk to us on doing that? And also to see what the other side, what the flip side of that is. So I think it's a good first step. My whole family being in the Marine Corps, I have a very, very sentimental attachment to the hangar. But we can't continue spending the kind of money we've been spending. So anyway, I look forward to getting this passed and see what it comes up with.

Thank you.

Council Member Fink?

Thank you, Mayor. Jason, could I ask you just a follow-up? And I think Council Member Gallagher answered John Garay's question, but I don't know if there's anything to add that you had to add on that one.

Sorry, can you repeat?

So the commenter's question about whether it's safe for the public to be there for events. And I... Council Member Gallagher said no, but I don't know if you've got anything that's worth adding on that point from sort of a more expertise level. No offense to your engineering expertise.

In its current condition, we would not want the public in sight.

And then the second question I have for you, because you've got one of these slides had the cost factors $22,275,000 on various uses. And the mayor mentioned the alternative of taking it down, which I don't think anybody is advocating. But to be clear, do you have an estimate of the cost of doing that?

Yeah, we received an estimate from the Navy and escalated to today's dollars. It's just above $55 million for demolition of the upper portion, maybe not including the concrete slab, but to take it down.

I appreciate that. And that's important because, and those are the, I just wanted to make sure I had that from you. And so go ahead. I don't have more questions for you, but thank you for that. And so before I just go on a little bit more, I want to echo what everybody said about both the presentation and the work that JPW has done and will continue to do as we figure this out. And also staff, the constant work on this issue, which will continue as well. I think it's very important to take this step of moving forward with an offering but I think it's really important to look at these numbers that were up that baseline doing nothing is based on those numbers the cheapest the most cost-effective thing to do and I agree with the mayor That shouldn't be the case. It's been sitting there for way too long not having anything done, not able to have more events that we used to have there, be a revenue generator, be a driver of events and driver of people coming to Tustin. But when we look at these pieces, that's $22 million just to stabilize it, $55 million to take it down, $200 million for other things, $275 million for sort of high use, if you will. So none of this works. None of this works alone. I also think as we go forward, so the mayor mentioned looking for a unicorn. That's one thing for sure. We also need to, I think, look to our state and federal partners. This is a federal property that's handed off to us. I think all of us need to start talking to our members of Congress and to try to get some offset there, because we don't have $22 million laying around, or $55 million, or $275 million. So I think it is incumbent upon us to make that outreach. All of us know people who do that. And so we've got to make those efforts. But as we look at it, none of these factors work. So we've got to figure out something. And Council Member Schnell was talking about the revenue inputs. So as we figure out the model, we need to figure out what can be done that might drive revenue as well. Would a museum drive revenue? Would a film production studio drive revenue? What would drive that revenue to offset that? So all of that needs to be looked at. I also think it's important that we realize that this may not be, there's a long time. I mean, it's been in this status for a long time. The LIFOC is through, I don't even know how long it's through currently, and it could be further than that. If you were at the LRA meeting last August, nobody expected to last this long. So we do have to realize that we may not accomplish everything all in one go round. So I think it's very important as we go forward with this offering memorandum. that we also look at short-term, medium-term options as well, not just what is the one thing that we can do in a long term. Can we sell it to Google to house their second set of planes? But what are we going to do in the interim? And I mentioned this to the city manager, I don't know, six months ago? After the LRA meeting, so back in September, October. short-term uses might uncover longer-term uses right and so when we do this offering memorandum I think it's important that we look at those short and medium term steps and I think the other thing that's very important here is that we put the full talent and power of our city staff behind this to really market this we're doing in a lot of ways some of the offerings that we've had in the legacy almost market themselves right because this is it is prime opportunities in a lot of places and we've had great inputs and folks have seen some of that and some of that we are are working on towards on development but this really takes us marketing it And we haven't had that in years. We haven't had that since at least the Northanger burned down. And we stopped doing events there. I think it's really also COVID. I mean, I think Nicole's nodding. Really, COVID, we no longer did the Hangar Half Marathon since COVID. We haven't had big events there. We haven't had a lot of film production there. We haven't had a full throttle marketing effort. So if we're going to do this offering memorandum, It can't just be, well, let's see what it is. We need to make sure that as we do it, we put the best face on it, the best idea of it, make sure we bring in our best. We've got talented staff that have been working, Jason, obviously, but throughout the city manager's office, our real property folks that have been driving our legacy process. This has got to be the best thing that we put out because it's the hardest. It's the most important. That's the biggest. So when we put this out, we've got to drive this. And everybody has talked to people in different ways. But we aren't able to, for a whole host of reasons, spend a lot of time engaging with the ideas. We can sort of make connections and start it. our broker and our staff have to really delve deep into those possibilities. Because maybe there is another Google. Maybe there is another, you know, Andruil. Maybe there is other entities that will do that. And we have to affirmatively really go out and do that. And as for the time frame, the time frame is what it is for now. And I think as we come get back, those are goals and markers for us. We'll see how that develops. Because we do need to do something and we need to take an all of the above approach on all of that. So I think that's just important to focus on that. Make sure we do that in that critical way. And the second, I'll just comment on the second recommendation, which is not referenced here a lot, but initiating discussions with the Navy on the 85 acres, parcel 18. That's important. We need to know what the Navy wants to do. We need to talk to them about that. I'm not sure you need a council action from us, but I'm happy to do that. So we keep opening that dialogue. The framework that we've looked at has all sorts of constraints. And we also need to find ways to reimagine and break through those constraints. So if there are means of remediating the environmental issues there that we haven't addressed, that we haven't figured out, if there are ways of shaping that so that it opens up different and more opportunities, And what the Navy, Department of the Navy and the Department of Defense want to do is going to frame that as well. But there's a lot to do. And so, of course, we should start talking to them. So thank you.

I'll move the item if you're looking for a motion.

I wasn't looking for it. I want to move it. You can second it. With that said, though, I think it's very important that you brought up that recommendation to be, this is an overall discussion. We're authorizing staff and directing staff to proceed with the offering. We're receiving the information we have. Proceed with the offering and also go and talk to the Navy. I think we know what the community's vision is, as we talked about, and we need the Navy to be a partner in that. So we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? Madam City Clerk, roll call, please.

Councilmember Nielsen?

Yes.

Councilmember Feene?

Aye.

Councilmember Gallagher?

Aye.

Mayor Pro Tem Schnell?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 5-0.

You can give Councilmember Gallagher the motion if you want. I'll leave it up to you, Kerry. I'm going to call for a five-minute recess as we move into the budget item. Sorry if anybody's chomping at the bit for that, but if you haven't voted, go vote, and we'll be back in five minutes. All right, Kerry, are we ready to go? No worries. All done? Michael, you ready? Okay, we're going to return from recess and move on to item eight, which is our other regular business item this evening, which is adoption of fiscal year 2026-27 budget and GAN appropriation limit. We have a presentation tonight by Director of Finance, Jennifer King. Jennifer.

Thank you, Mayor and members of the City Council. Good evening. And again, I appreciate the opportunity to come before you to talk about budget tonight. And before we get into the adoption presentation, what I like to showcase is our budget in brief. And this is a document. This document really condenses essential budget information into an easy-to-read format. It's a three-page document, which is a part of the agenda packet. And this three-page document is much easier to read than a 200-page budget document. And so I'd like to bring it for your review. And also, once the budget is adopted, this document will be posted to the city's website. And the look and feel of this budget in brief also get carried into the budget presentation that you're going to see shortly. And it really brings the whole budget document packet together into a more cohesive document group. And it's also easier for information to be translated also be related between the documents. So with that, I would like to bring over the adoption presentation. Thank you. And thank you, Mayor. And so what I'd like to start with the budget adoption is the guiding principle. And this is approved by the council last year, and it's our 10-year fiscal sustainability strategy. And it has a three-pronged approach, increasing revenue, and decrease expenses and also reduce the use of one-time revenue for recurring expenses. And this principle is carried throughout the budget development and you'll see them in different sections. I want to do a really high-level snapshot of the general funds budget on this slide, and what I'd like to start is the spending plan, which is the middle column here. The total spending plan is $123 million, and that's being proposed, and it is backed by revenue and other resources, totaling also $123 million. And these resources include use of a general fund reserve, And at the end, the end result is that we achieve a balanced total budget. For the non-recurring piece on this slide, and this was presented to the council, and we received directions from the council on how to fund the non-recurring expenditures that are outlined here. And two funding sources, one, the three items listed for the shelter and one-time service and equipment, as well as the first installment of the general plan update, are being funded from general fund. and that includes use of general fund reserve. And the other two items, the police department's capital and technology upgrades, as well as the required UAL pay down, they are being funded from the legacy land sale proceeds fund. So together, It's $16.8 million non-recurring funding source, and the general funds reserve level is estimated at 21%. It's still above the council's target of 20%. Here's a look of the general funds total revenue. What you see here, 86% of the general fund's total revenue comes from recurring activities. Those are services that we provide to the community on a regular basis. And the remaining 14% is from one-time activities and also other funding sources, as we described in the previous slide. A little more detailed look on the recurring revenues. And this is the 86% you saw in the previous slide. And sales tax and property tax are the two largest revenue source. I have some more information in the slides that are coming up. And together, they generate roughly about 65% of the general fund's recurring revenue. And we also have other activities that's generating fees and also charges, as well as earnings. from investments and city-owned properties. Tustin sales tax is a large portion of the general funds revenue, and we have been growing over the years. And out of on the right side of the slide, here's three year of actual plus two year of projection. On the left here, what you are seeing are the four groups that have been regularly generate top sales tax for the city. And together, they compose about 78% of the total sales tax. This is a similar look, but it's for property tax. And again, Tustin's property tax has been growing. For the two years we have available, the valuation has, the taxable valuation has grown by just under 5%. And it's the largest increase coming from CPI adjustments, also ownership changes. And also we continue to have consistent growth in new constructions from both residential and non-residential areas. If we look at growth by land use, residential parcels lead the chart, followed by commercial and industrial. This is a look of the total expenses. It's in a similar format. Again, proportional to the revenue, 86% of the expenses is related to recurring activities, service delivery. And the remaining 14% is related to some of the activities that we saw in previous slides. A little more granular detail on the recurring expenses. This is by department. And for Tustin, the public, the community's safety and vibrancy are top priorities. And that reflects in the functional spendings, what you're seeing here. Public safety between police and fire makes up over 50% of the expense, and followed by public works, parks, also community development. What we have the way, because most of our services are delivered by staff, so personnel costs is a majority, is a major piece of the recurring expense. It's usually over 50%, and that is necessary to deliver the level of service that the community expects from us. What I like to say, and this is an authorized position that is the base for the personnel costs you saw in earlier slides. And this is only for full-time benefited positions. And the green bars you see here, public safety, they are sworn personnel from our police department. And any non-sworn personnel that includes from police or any other departments falls into the orange bar here. Moving away from expense, looking at the capital improvement program, and this number has not changed from the budget workshop earlier, and it's still at $68 million. It's broken into seven categories with legacy leading the category in terms of dollar amount. Because most of our projects already started in previous years, they just continue to be completed in the coming year until the project is finished. So two-thirds of that $68 million is related to projects that's already in progress. And the remaining one-third is for new projects that staff has proposed. Another way of looking at the CIP program is to look at the funding source. And for the city of Tustin, over 60% of the CIP projects are funded by external sources. They are really state allocations, county allocations, grants, development fees, and so forth. And that outside funding source starts with $12.9 million. from allocations going counterclockwise to 0.9 million from the water rates. I'd like to provide a little more detail on the CIP projects. And this is the legacy CIP group, 26 million, with a number of projects being planned. And the picture you see here is the updated design for the Armstrong Pet Bridge. And this is a project that will be continued. For the streets and traffic, total $28 million. And we have been watching the Old Town and Main Street improvements being worked on and coming into shape. By the time all is finished and done, we'll just be as pretty as the picture. For our parks program, Heidemann School Park is the major park program being worked on. And we're still keeping up with annual regular maintenance of our parks, refresh the structures at various parks, as well as playground equipment and so forth. This is our facility group. And facility is across all city property. And so the picture you see here is the replacement of the roof for this council chamber, as well as for the community center across the way. And those are the regular major maintenance we do. And what's coming up for the coming year, we'll have a makeover for the PD's locker room. And we continue to do our regular maintenance. And we also do a playground replacement for the youth center. The last CIP group, but not the least, is our water CIP. So what you are seeing here is our 17th Street plan. And that will continue to have investments in capital outlay. And that is necessary to keep up with the service delivery. As the mayor had mentioned, we are still in the process of getting reimbursement from the Navy. So we are 80% there, and we are working on the remaining 20%. Our goal is to get full reimbursement from the Navy. Switching to pension, and this is This past February, the council approved a new pension pay down strategy for the next six years. And that's reflected in this chart. And we're looking to get off the UAL train by the time we get to 2032. And with that, I will wrap up my presentation. Happy to answer any questions.

Thank you, Jennifer. There's a lot of information packed into that. We did have a workshop a month ago, so we're not giving this short shrift. We're just giving an overview of information we've already heard. But any questions for staff before I receive public input, I will bring it back for discussion. Councilmember Fink.

I have one question and allocated in the proposed budget is $75,000 for the matching funds for an active transportation plan development which would be for a which would match a funds that if we got a grant which we've applied for do you have an update on our grant application status

Sure, Mayor, if I may. Yes, sir. That's correct. Actually, in a good way. The community stole my thunder. That was going to be my update after this. We did get the active transportation plan grant from Caltrans for $425,000. It was our second time that we applied. So we've been carrying over $75,000 in our budget in case we got it. So we have incorporated $75,000 into this budget. So we can round out half a million for those activities.

Council Member Gallagher? Come on, where's the... There we go. 425,000. Come on. All right, that's not why I raised my hand here. I think there's maybe a clarification. I think it was the first or second slide. where it had the description of the 10-year fiscal sustainability. I think it was, I just want to make sure, let's see that one, yeah. So pension pay down analysis and policy and other efficiencies. There was something kind of similar in that that first PDF that you showed us. And so I just want to make sure it's clear, obviously, that we understand what it is. It's to get off the UAL train, as you put it. I like that. I just want to make sure that we haven't sent that out and we can clarify that. Is that OK? We can just kind of clean up that language. I just want to make sure it's clear that we're not analyzing anything. We are in the middle of it right now. And that the end goal is we're going to be paid off. Right. Okay. Thank you.

Any other questions? Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just kind of a side note. First of all, thank you very much for doing all of this. I mean, it's a huge amount of work with the legacy and everything else that's incorporated. So thank you for that. I just wanted to kind of mention that A lot of the CIP work that we have done, we do get grants for, whether it's county grants or state or federal, in order to help us do street projects, parks, and things of that sort that help our folks and also build infrastructure. So I just wanted to clarify that portion.

Thank you. We'll move on to public input unless there's further comments, questions? Okay, thank you, Jennifer. All right, public input for this item. If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak form. And if you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand. Madam City Clerk, any requests to speak?

Yes, we have two in person and one on Zoom.

Two in person first, please.

The first one is Nina DeLue.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, Council Members, I'm back again. And I was going to speak tonight about the active transportation plan. But hearing the news of this grant, I just have to say congratulations. And it's totally blown what I was going to talk about. ACTUALLY, I STILL WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS AND WHAT IT DOES AND HOW IT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY SO THAT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE DO THIS, MAYBE IT ANSWERS IT. I am my professional background is as a CEQA and NEPA project manager. I work alongside folks that put together these active transportation plans and I will not name drop my company because it's probably the rival company of councilmember Gallagher's. So an active transportation plan, or ATP, it provides a clear and data-driven roadmap for safer walking, biking, and local travel. It identifies priority projects in the city so that we can act strategically and not reactively. It integrates safety, mobility, and community input into one cohesive plan. Safety is the most immediate benefit. It focuses on high injury corridors. We heard about some areas that are difficult to deal with intestine. And areas with known safety concerns. It recommends improvements like safer crossings, traffic calming, and better street design. It helps protect all users, including pedestrians, cyclists, drivers, and especially children and seniors. It helps to close the regional connectivity gap so Tustin is in a gap space. Irvine and Santa Ana already have defined their ATP networks and priority corridors and were that gap space. Without an ATP, Tustin lacks a coordinated map system to connect into those networks. So with an ATP, we can now go for competitive funding. So once our ATP is ready, major state and federal grants that prioritize THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT. BUILT. THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, SUDDENLY WE CAN USE THAT ATP SUDDENLY WE CAN USE THAT ATP TO GET MORE MONEY FOR THE TO GET MORE MONEY FOR THE PROJECTS WE ALL WANT TO SEE PROJECTS WE ALL WANT TO SEE BUILT. BUILT. SO THE ATP DOES NOT BUILD THE SO THE ATP DOES NOT BUILD THE PROJECTS. PROJECTS. THE ATP ALLOWS FOR THE PROJECTS THE ATP ALLOWS FOR THE PROJECTS TO BE IDENTIFIED AND BUILT. TO BE IDENTIFIED AND BUILT. AND IT IS JUST SUCH A HUGE AND IT IS JUST SUCH A HUGE IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR PLANNING IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE So thank you.

Thank you. Madam City Clerk, next speaker, please.

Next, we have Matthew.

Good evening, city councilors. Like the commenter that went before me, I had a whole spiel about how we need to fund the active transportation plan in full instead of just waiting for the possible fulfillment of the grant where we're getting that 15% match. But fortunately and unfortunately for me, Yeah, we don't have to worry about that. I would like to say, just moving forward, very excited to see where the city takes this. I guess my request, kind of shifting past the ask, is including us in the same way, probably not to the same extent, because I know that cost a lot of money, as you have for things like the development of the Tustin Legacy Core. Going back to what Councilmember Schnell said about the sort of north star for Tustin, I think the active transportation plan is a really important element of that. If we want to make this a city where people want to live and shop and work and all that stuff, we need a plan like this to, again, go after some of the funding that Nina mentioned. Yeah, I have the privilege of living in Old Town. So I have the benefits of a very walkable neighborhood. But not everybody in Tustin has that privilege. And I'd like to be able to extend that to my friends and neighbors. That's everything that I'm going to say for tonight. Again, congratulations to city staff. Really looking forward to seeing how you engage with us, how we can be the people to identify these problematic corridors and how to sort of work with city hand in hand.

Thank you.

Thank you. Madam City Clerk?

Yes, we have one person on Zoom, John Gray.

So I just wanted to compliment staff on the turnaround from the parking study to increasing the part-time officer salary range. I was happy to see that that was updated in this next budget. As for any type of transportation, I'm just going to give that idea again. Um, we can kind of dip our toes in the feet when it comes to Tustin tiller days and like the chili cook off, start looking at possibly like renting buses temporarily for the day to start seeing if, you know, things from shovels from, you know, the Tustin Metro link station, if these types of things are things that the citizens of Tustin would like to use more often and also temporary short term for those events, IT WILL HELP BRING LESS CARS TO THE AREA AS WELL. WHICH IN TURN HAS LESS CARBON EMISSIONS AND ALL THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK, ANY OTHER REQUESTS?

NO, MR. MAYOR.

ANYBODY IN THE ROOM? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC INPUT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION. ANYBODY WANT TO START OFF? OR I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THESE WORKSHOPS AS WELL. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PROTEM.

SECOND AND ONE COMMENT.

SECOND, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE PRESENTATION IS, YOU GUYS TOOK IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER ON HOW YOU'RE DISPLAYING THE GRAPHICS. I THINK I'M GIVING CONSTANT FEEDBACK, AND I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IT'S LOOKING GOOD, AND I HOPE THE PUBLIC IS SEEING THIS. A LOT OF EFFORT GOES INTO MAKING THIS INFORMATION AS EASILY DIGESTIBLE AS POSSIBLE. And it is complex. There's a lot. And I just wanted to recognize that the presentation looked really good. It's clear to understand. And I know there's more follow-on graphics. So thank you. Any other comments?

Mayor Pro Tem? I didn't realize that Councilmember Gallagher was going to take hostage the motion and then comment. But you stole my thunder. I was going to say, Director King, excellent job. I know how much effort and work. And it's very, very difficult to take all of that information and condense it down into a digestible presentation so thank you and hats off to you and staff just a couple comments I've said this before but budgets reflect priorities and when you take a look at where we spend our money number one is public safety so 53% of our budget goes towards keeping the residents of tustin safe that's our that's that's job one when you look at two it's development uh and then we spend money on you know on parks and when you take a look at where we generate our revenue property tax 28 and sales uh 37 that's why we're pushing so hard and again it's a good way to bookend the conversation around the legacy the legacy is a tremendous amount of value it's over a billion dollars in enterprise value for the city of tustin that's why we're pushing staff So hard to extract that value because as we build homes as we bring more businesses into the Tustin legacy It's going to generate more property tax It's going to generate more sales tax which we can then reinvest back into the city to do all the wonderful things that we do enhance parks Do events etc. So I really want to thank staff I want to thank my council members and you director King for being good stewards of the public treasure.

So thank you Thank You council member Fink

Thank you, Mayor. First, apologies to the city manager for stealing the thunder about the active transportation plan. A lot of people were interested in that. I was very interested in that and making sure it was fully funded. And I'm glad we have a grant to do that rather than to go back into our funds to do that but because I do think it's critical so I'm glad to do that and appreciate all the people who've discussed that and sorry for stealing the thunder but thank you to the staff that has brought that together and to the staff that has put together the budget presentation and the budget document. It is very difficult work to pull this all together and one of the things I think is important that I think we kind of know And – but it's – I talk about this a little bit with the public and I get these questions about what the budget ultimately means. In a lot of ways, this is – we – A lot of the pieces of this budget are sort of set in before we come to this meeting, before we come to the workshop. So we can't really change the revenues. The council doesn't have the power to just increase the revenues, raise taxes, or anything like that. The revenues are based on the business development, the property taxes, the economy. So we're dealing with those realities. And the best we can do, is what Council Member Schnell is talking about, is try to spur development in the city to pay for what we do. Expenses, a lot of these are set before we come here in agreements with employee associations, what OCFA charges for the fire services. So a lot of these are baked in. So when we come here, we're putting these pieces together. All of that budgeting has to happen during the course of the year, whereas this is the spending plan and the details that's put together at the end. But it raises with me three concerns that I want to address. First is our revenues are not tracking with our expenses right now. If you look back at our lines over the last three years, I had this, you know, property taxes have gone up since 2022, 23 from 12.8 to 15.4. So there's some increase there. Sales and use tax from 35.4 to 38.7. But our spending, uh, even on the non-recurring is coming from the eighties to the 106. So now a lot of that, again, some of that is baked in from the fact that we've got, um, we deal with the economic conditions on the ground and our salaries sort of went up post inflationary shocks because we gave MOUs with raises sort of after the fact because we didn't expect 9% inflation in 2022, 23. And so some things were made up afterwards, but we have to be careful over the next year that when we come back here, we're trying to find, you know, through over the next year, we're trying to align those because not only do we have this 10 year strategy, A lot of it is getting us off the UAL train, but developing enough revenue long term and legacy in other places where we're trying to do business development and economic development. But we have to track that closely over the next year. And so when we come back a year from now, please spend the next year making sure we're looking at these. And it's, you know, Who knows what the economic conditions are? We're in a funny time on that. So I think it's very important that we look at that, that we're tracking that very carefully over the next year. I hope by next year we can start seeing that trend back together as we go forward. The second is, this is a longer term thing, but Council Member Nielsen mentioned our CIP program is largely funded by grants. One of the things that we should want to be doing is putting aside money from our own budget towards those long-term capital improvements. Instead of relying exclusively on savings that we happen to catch here and there, grants that we're able to get, we should be looking toward an investment. That's a longer-term situation. But as we work towards that, we want to do that. And I think all at the budget workshop talked about we want a long-term understanding of the model of the costs and the expenses and the backbone of the Tustin Legacy in particular and what to do with that land, the land sale proceeds, because how we spend that in the long term is going to affect how we can do this, how we can sort of keep that's part of how we've been closing the gap other cities have not had the ability to close that gap and so we are very fortunate but we want to make sure that it's there and if we have more or less or what we need but ultimately also looking for our own investment from our annual spending again in the long-term strategy the the concern that I have short-term in this year's budget is comes up on that UAL train that was slide 22. And earlier this year, we decided to not put in $2 million a year towards CalPERS, $2 million a year towards our local trusts, $4 million a year to pay down our UAL. I think that's good. because that trend shows us getting that off the UAL train in a foreseeable timeline ahead of a lot of other jurisdictions. It's still seven, eight years away, something like that. But we're finally catching up. And these are problems that predate Council Member Nielsen. They go back to the turn of the century, some of the policy changes. Turn of the 21st century, folks. Turn of the 21st century. So that's just a lingering problem that we're dealing with and we're getting dealt with, which is good. But now that we're not investing that $4 million to the UAL every year, where are we spending that $4 million? And I brought it up at the workshop. There's not an identifiable place. And I'm worried that as we go through the non-recurring funds we go through these other things as our expenses sort of fill those gaps we end up losing that and losing track of that and losing accountability because if we say well we're not going to do that because we're going to hold it in land sale funds we're going to we're not going to make that investment because we're getting off the UAL train that way. We should be making sure we're tracking that. And I think if we look at that, there's places that we can hold that, invest that, spend that in a short-term way or medium-term, even medium-term. And it's kind of obvious from the last item we talked about. It's $22 million that needs to be spent just to keep the hangar at status quo. You know, there's other things that we can do, whether it's investing in businesses in Old Town, as if redevelopment agencies used to do. If there's backbone spending that needs to be done, I think the change that we should make from the proposals is put aside $4 million in a, and I'll just call it a community reinvestment fund from the land sale proceeds so that we can track that and ask staff to develop a proposal for how to use that investment as we go forward. So I'm gonna make a motion to amend the staff proposal in the budget to allocate an additional, to allocate $4 million from the land sale proceeds which we would have otherwise used to pay down the UAL into a community reinvestment fund with staff to come back in the future with a plan for or proposal or options to how to spend that. So I have a motion to amend.

Is there a second?

I'll make a comment.

Is there a second? Hold on. Motion fills for likely second. Are you done with your comments?

I am. I was going to point out to Council Member Gallagher he could second and then even vote against it and comment.

Well, I think after you hear my comment, you'll see why I didn't second. I think what you're proposing is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the fiscal policy is. the fiscal policy pays down a liability. Liability is money that we owe. So it's not as if we are creating a new expenditure. We're paying down a liability that we owe. To say that we're extending that over a period of time and keeping that money in the Surplus Land Act is somehow wasting it, misunderstands what the policy is. To take that money and then put it and spend it somewhere else that isn't paying down a liability but creates another expenditure outside of anything that we're considering completely goes in the opposite direction of the 10-year fiscal policy. So I don't support that at all. I think the policy that was put in place and has been followed for since I've been on council is the most prudent approach that I hope every public agency is doing. To reduce that liability is something that we own, all of us. And the less that agencies, many agencies have much, much larger liabilities. Very few have none. And when we pay that down, we're recognizing that we helped create this. And when we push it further out onto the next generation, we are ignoring our responsibilities as elected officials.

So I just completely disagree. Motion filled for lack of a second. So we don't need to debate the motion. Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We're going to change the subject a little bit. First of all, I just want to clarify I was not here when Columbus-Tustin arrived. So to clarify for Councilmember Fink, I was not here. But anyway, a couple of things. First of all, great kudos to city staff and our finance director and her staff. We have a balanced budget. I mean, that is just completely awesome. We looked to the north of us, not so much. We did all of this without having to look at doing additional taxation, which a lot of our neighbors have done. They put sales tax either on the ballot or initiated it. So instead of seeking more money for our constituents, we've lived within our means. We've created a program which continues that. And looking at 10 years out, we're looking for the long term. So I think a lot of kudos has to go to this council and staff for putting this together. Secondly, I was very glad to see that the ATP was funded. That's wonderful. I served on the Southern California Association of Governments for eight years. And one of the things that we did was a regional transportation plan for six counties. And part of that, towards my ending term, was they were developing regional ATP there so I'm very glad to see that we're going to do that so look forward to that happening and seeing how that progresses and would love to have any input from our residents that they think is appropriate so look forward to that as well so anyway that's all I have today Mr. Mayor I think everybody's had an opportunity to speak right Mayor I just just very briefly because I appreciate Councilmember Gallagher's comments but they don't misunderstand what we're talking about

Because what I'm talking about, and I'm going to keep talking about it in the future, not tonight. I understand it failed. But the UAL that we were spending in the past, that money that we were spending from the land sale funds to the UAL, was an investment to bring down that long-term liability. I'm talking about short-term investments where we would recoup the money. They could be loans. They could be other investments that turn around. but where we invest the money that is sitting there, otherwise being invested in sort of our market investments in ways that invest not just to turn around the money, but turn it into the community. So I want you to understand, as I talk about it in the future, this isn't about spending or wasting the money. It's realizing that we've been investing it. we should be investing it in more productive ways in the future. And that's what we're using. I mean, we're using those land sale funds to make sure we're balancing the budget to close those gaps. And I just don't want us to lose track of that $4 million. So thank you, Mayor.

All right. I'm going to move staff recommendation. Do I have a second?

I'll make a second.

Okay. And then just to kind of wrap this up, thank you for the hard work on the presentation, both in the workshop and the item tonight. Thank you to staff in general for chasing grant funding. It does make our projects easier, and we're looking forward to the ATP development through use of the grant funds that we received. And, you know, there's a lot going on in town, and the reason we're able to do that is because staff is chasing those dollars from outside and within our budget as well. So, Thank you for that. I did want to underscore, we've talked a lot about ideas in future financial planning and policies. This council at the workshop and last year and again tonight, I think really wants to shine a light on our forecasting for the future, both at the legacy and how that's going to fund other projects and operations into our future, right? I'm grateful for all the work that we're doing. We still have some work to do. Part of that is that last item we discussed about funds going into the South Hanger and the Legacy area. We want to throw it all together and be transparent as much as we can for the community. So we have a motion and a second, and I'm going to ask Madam City Clerk for roll call vote, please.

Council Member Nielsen?

Yes.

Council Member Fink?

Aye.

Council Member Gallagher? Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Schnell?

Aye.

Mayor Lombard?

Aye.

Motion passes 5-0.

Thank you. Mr. City Manager, we're going to move on to other business. Mr. City Manager, do you still have a report tonight?

I do. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to give an update. We're continuing with our park improvements. Second phase of the Camino Real park improvement project started this week, the construction of the new picnic shelter. Completion is expected this July, and we're looking forward to a ribbon cutting to celebrating that reopening of those structures. Also, as our Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief Morgenstern referenced in his update regarding the post-GKN incident in the City of Garden Grove, the City of Tustin City staff will continue to work with the Orange County Health Care Agency and the Orange County Fire Authority regarding an assessment of our businesses in town and adjacent to town that may use, manufacture, or have on-site hazardous materials to confirm that these businesses are in compliance with all associated safety standards.

Thank you. Mr. City Attorney, do you have a report?

Nothing for me this evening. Thank you.

I'll bring it back to the council for our reports. Council Member Nielsen.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just wanted to say that our Memorial Day event was, I think, very well done. And it caused us to take some time and think about those that gave the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf. And I just want to say that it was very, very well done. Speakers were very thoughtful. And my entire family, as I've said before, served in the US Marine Corps. My aunt, uncle, and mother served in World War II. So I'm very, very thankful for what we do to, I think about those that have passed on that have served. And the meeting before, I didn't say anything about it. And I should have promoted it. So I apologize for that. But I think it went very well. And it was very thoughtful. And your remarks are very well appreciated, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

GREG MCKENZIE. Council Member Fink. COUNCIL MEMBER FINK. Thank you, Mayor. May 21st, I attended the Sunset Market. was just there at a table taking questions, comments, thoughts from the public. It was a good kickoff for the series. It will be the third Thursday of every month. I'll be out there the entire series if you've got questions, comments, gripes, ideas. So I encourage people to come by. I think it's a good opportunity to hear what folks are thinking and wondering about and asking about. I attended the Memorial Day event, too, along with the entire council. It was a great event, well put together by our parks department. It's a memory of those who have served and lost their lives in service. I very much appreciate that. I met a veteran at that event. And she was stationed here in 1962. She was from the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. And she got stationed at MCAS Tustin, or it might have been called something differently before at that point, and took to Tustin and never left. And so as we were talking about the hangar tonight, it reminded me of her and how people have come here because of that base and those hangars. And so I think it's really important to remember that and preserve that. I attended the... I'm the chair of the Orange County Public Library. I attended the library advisory board meeting for the Orange County Public Libraries. I'm serving as the chair of that board this year. The county librarian Julie Quillman is retiring as of July after 40 years of service with the County of Orange. the new county librarian and I just encourage folks to engage with the library programs starting yesterday. Yesterday is the summer lunch at the library program from noon to 1. It's open to any kid 18 and under free lunches at the libraries funded through the state library assisted by the county library here and uh as i understand it the the funding comes from the summer lunch programs to justin unified uh and so especially um kids who rely on the school lunch program during the school year come to the library um and uh for lunch there's also summer reading programs and a number of author events uh that'll go on over the summer um Later that afternoon, or later that evening, I went to dinner at American Grub, which is reopened here on El Camino Real. And I want to pay special thanks to our community development team and everybody involved in that effort to facilitate whatever they needed to get American Grub reopened. I think folks know that it suffered a terrible fire a few months back. And the timing to get it reopened was really impressive. And I know that a lot of our staff facilitated that. I point out that they have done this, and I know that they're working on insurance, but it's projects like that where we might have restaurants that close or restaurants that are damaged or investments that can be made. The city used to be able to do that through redevelopment agencies. And so when I'm talking about something like a community reinvestment fund, It could be programs like that short term, that might be short term, lower cost loans that facilitate reopenings, that facilitate not just the money coming back before we need it on the long term for the land fund, but also invest in bringing back the community and create longer term dollars. So just think about that as an example of what we could be doing. And there's other places here in Old Town and throughout the city where things like that could happen. But most importantly, one of the best burgers I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, ALSO ATTENDED THE MEMORIAL DAY EVENT. IT WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. I KNOW THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOREMENT THAT WE'VE HAD IN YEARS PAST, BUT I THOUGHT IT WORKED REALLY WELL. IT'S JUST ALWAYS SO SPECIAL TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT AT THE LEGACY AT OUR VERY OWN VETERANS SPORTS PARK. SO IT WAS A GREAT EVENT, VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER, AND APPRECIATED THE MAYOR'S WORDS THERE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THE ADVANCED TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I THINK IT WAS A BIG WIN FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT GRANT. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A lot of you had been talking about. I don't want it to get lost. I think this is important, and it will be a community partnership as that gets delivered. But let's not lose sight of we're doing a lot now, and we still can make impacts now. I don't know if you noticed on the CIP, we've got the linear park, which is planned to extend the entire legacy with bridges so that on a bicycle or other transportation, you don't even have to go on the street. And so that's a big deal. That doesn't exist anywhere in Tustin right now. And so that is the plan, and that's being funded right now. Elements are going into construction. So that is happening. And then the other part is you saw that graphic that was put forward. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE LEGACY WORKSHOP. ABOUT THIS AT THE LEGACY WORKSHOP. NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT BACKBONE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE BACKBONE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE INTERCONNECTING NETWORKS WITHIN INTERCONNECTING NETWORKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES. THE COMMUNITIES. I KNOW THE FOCUS IS ON THIS I KNOW THE FOCUS IS ON THIS TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT IT'S GOING TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME. TO TAKE TIME. BUT DON'T LOSE SIGHT THAT THERE'S BUT DON'T LOSE SIGHT THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO GET INVOLVED AND OPPORTUNITIES TO GET INVOLVED AND ENGAGE AND JUST SEE OR FE

Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On May 20th, City Manager Aldo Schindler and I attended the Orange County Global Medical Trauma Center. The CEO, Daniel Nell, did a really nice job of facilitating a tour. I'm very impressed by the passion, enthusiasm, and the quality of care that's being delivered to PATIENTS, TUSTON RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS THE OCFA AND THE TUSTON POLICE, SO THAT WAS A GREAT DAY. ON MAY 21ST, I ALSO ATTENDED THE SUNSET MARKET, AND COUNCILMEMBER FINK WAS TRYING TO THROW A LITTLE FOOTBALL OVER TO ME. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY. I MEAN, JUST A PERFECT THURSDAY NIGHT, AND I WAS IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TENT SERVING DELICIOUS LEMONADE MELON BEVERAGES TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE CHAMBER. And then right next door to that tent, they were promoting the Tustin FIFA World Cup Global Watch Party, which will be held July 19 from 10.30 to 3.30. I'll definitely mention it again, but it was a very fun day. May 25, I also attended the Tufts Memorial Day Remembrance with the rest of my fellow council members. Amazing turnout, very heartfelt messages. The mayor did a wonderful job, gave a great speech. It was amazing to see the veterans and really feel and see the patriotism. that was flowing through the crowd. And I remember seeing a mom with her little five-year-old daughter standing in the front when we did the Pledge of Allegiance and just seeing her with her heart over her hand and saying the words. It was very, very touching. So again, thank you to all those who have served, who have passed, who gave the ultimate sacrifice. Again, we're very proud to live in this city that remembers and honors our military veterans on June 2nd I attended the OC cemetery district board meeting which was today we approved the 2627 budget and appropriated a million dollars to fund the start of underground electrical work to pull power into the gypsum cannon memorial park which will be a cemetery for first responders for veterans as well as for public at large and then tomorrow june 3rd i will be speaking to scout troop 2778 about public service and i think a few of them are going to be getting their merit badges and that concludes my comments mr mayor

Thank you. I'll try to be as brief as possible because you all have made it for two and a half hours and most of you are still awake. So I will try to get through this quickly. Thank you to staff for putting on the Memorial Day event. Always a great event in recognition of our veterans and those who lost their lives serving our country. Thank you also to staff for replacing the plaques in the PD and chasing down that suspect and ultimately apprehending him. If you're not aware, there were some plaques around our Veterans Memorial that were stolen and scrapped for the medal a couple months ago. The register covered it. And it's just really unfortunate that criminals do stuff like that. But thank you to staff for getting replaced in time for the event. on may 28th last week i attended an ocfa board meeting and we did among other things um adopt our budget and part of the budget adoption this year was to change some policies to reallocate funds that are available now because ocfa implemented what they call a snowball plan for uh accelerating paying down uh unfunded pension liability getting off the ual train as it were director king um early and now that those funds are available, we put in place some policies to allocate them to capital improvements of stations and other things. So getting those funds available is going to be critical for making strategic investment moving forward here as well. And I think OCFA has a good model for that. I want to give a shout-out to, on May 30th, I was at a Friday Night Lights tournament in Los Alamitos, and the Tustin Seahawks 8U team were the first ever Tustin Friday Night Lights team to win the state championship, and my 8-year-old son happens to play on that team. So congratulations, buddy. And then some upcoming events. 42nd Annual Tustin Street Fair and Chili Cook-Off is – This upcoming Sunday, June 7th at 11 a.m., 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. right here in Old Town and Peppertree Park. You can visit TustinChiliCookoff.com or call 714-573-3326. I don't know if we ever have people actually call, but there is a phone number if you need information. We also have concerts in the Park Series that's beginning Wednesday, June 10th through July 29th, 6 to 8 p.m. at Peppertree Park. You can visit TustinCA.org slash concerts. We also have our Youth Talent Show coming up on Saturday, June 13th at 2 p.m. at the Community Center at the Marketplace. You can visit tustinca.org slash talent for that. And we are going to be celebrating the 250th anniversary of American Freedom in Tustin, and this is the last call to submit flagged dedications, student art, and essay contest entries. Submissions are accepted until Thursday, June 11th. You can visit tustinca.org slash Tustin 250, the number 250, or call 714-573-7000. 3027. I feel like an infomercial host. And with that, we'll move on to adjournment. The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, June 16, 2026 for the closed session meeting at 4.30 p.m. and the regular business meeting at 6 p.m. Thank you. Have a good night.