City Council - Regular Meeting

No, no. I was going to keep the felony. No.

Because that old man was lying with him. We welcome you guys.

We welcome all of you back here. Okay.

Do we have any declarations of conflict of interest in this meeting? No. Okay. We'd like to excuse Shari. She's not available by phone. So she will not be joining this. So she's tripping, having a good time. So let's take a few minutes and go around the room and any council reports we may have. I'd like to take some time to do that. Let's start with Bo.

Where do I start? Main Street, Kelly Wood will be here on the 16th for an RBA meeting. There's quite a few topics to talk about there. Just because with Main Street, America, their program and some of the things that we currently have in the city might cross over, right? we just have to, as council, give a little bit more direction there. So they're discussion items. An example of that would be parks and rec or, you know, activities or community, you know, Kaia holds community events, but then we're doing a downtown Christmas activity or something, right? There's gonna be, So we just need to make sure that we've given them direction as to who's doing what and why. But there's been a lot of efforts there with some designs. There's a proposal on the desk for the facade grant program. I saw version one of that and read through it this week. And I really like it.

I was just gonna ask you how you like it.

Yeah, I mean, there's good things about it. There were a few concerns that I'm not going to tell you about, but she's doing a great job. So that's that. By way of economic development, it's been a full-time job, honestly. Recently, there's been a lot of phone calls, a lot of interest in Tremont right now. I have meetings this week with potential hospitality companies wanting to come in as hotels. people that are interested in all sorts of stuff here in the valley. So it's exciting and I think our goals around bringing in new revenue are definitely well underway. There's some discussion tonight on a specific property that we need to address that could also have substantial impact on our revenue. So I'm excited. And there's a lot brewing here. Are there any questions around that?

Obviously, a lot of it's kind of NDA type stuff where we don't talk about it right now until they're ready to let it be out.

Yeah, I mean, companies obviously don't want to expose to their competitors that they're coming in. So you have to be cautious with that.

Understandably. So we will later have a poll session to discuss some potential real estate property. Okay.

There are some decisions to make there.

Yep.

Sounds good.

Okay. Me? Me?

Well, one chief wanted to thank the police chief and the fire chief for escorting the lacrosse girls, state champs, back in. The girls were ecstatic to see the fire truck and all the police officers. First thing they said when they got off the bus, did you see all those police officers and have the fire there? So thank you.

Is that a five feet? Yes, that is five.

Really?

Next year it's going to be six and we're going to take it.

I mean, yeah, they're 102 and 2. 102 and 2, yeah.

They're awesome girls, they really are. Okay, before I get started, I love this quote from the mayor that he put in his message for mayor's moments or whatever for this week. A house owned by all people. The mayor joined the Chamber of Commerce in Washington DC and Philadelphia. And one thing that he kept coming back to after he read a carving on the FDR memorial is, I'll never forget that I live in a house owned by all American people and that I have been given this trust. But then I also liked his comment afterwards. That's the job. That's the job, just not his. Mine and every elected person's all the way down to city council chambers right here in Tremont. The building isn't ours. The office isn't ours. The trust is on loan from the people who put us here, and it's worth remembering that every single day. Since I read that, it just kind of speaks volumes to me, and I just wanted to share that with you because I thought it was very, very good. Okay, so Carl isn't here tonight. He's unable to attend. Rocket Road is coming along. The power poles were moved. Cemetery roads will be paved at the same time as Rocket Road. They are starting that right now. Let's see, the pond. Thank you. The equalization phase. Over there. I know where it's at. They started the fence on it a little while ago, but they were supposed to go in this week and finish it. And so that's going on. I had a meeting with Carl and with Andrew, and he told me, he said, public works is not responsible for the revenue. We are. And they have fixed costs, operation expenses, employee equipment, data, and depreciation. Infrastructure is not a fixed income. Within the last two weeks, they had to partially drain one of the tanks that have the rollers in it that we all witnessed and saw, which resulted in an expense of $500,000 just to fix it right now. But that's just that one little fix. It's not the whole thing. The proposed rate increase will only satisfy the secondary water bonds. It doesn't help him at all in any fix or any update. It's just going to satisfy that. So he does have some concerns there. One thing when we were in St. George really quick, I remember the very first speaker says they advised us to pay our bonds off early and then learn to pay as we go. financial debt is not a positive it's a negative for our budgets and that's kind of resonates with me since I said in that meeting and listen to that listening to what's going on with another government government entity that's raised their taxes really high they don't get that I hope we do Carl would like a rate study done and I do believe he's going to do one they will be on they'll need to If we go ahead with the rate increase, one of his concerns is that it will impede anything that comes out of the recommendations from the rate increase. If we move this rate increase forward right now, where it's only gonna help pay for the water bonds, he is concerned that he will be locked in and we won't get any more money to help with stuff that needs to be done. Let's see. come up with a proposal how can we obtain a proposal well okay wait let me hang on hang on to your shorts a minute there well i'm just saying it gets thrown darts and i thought he was going to come up with something he's just worried that now that we do this increase when we come back at another increase you guys are going to be like we already did one we don't want to do another one that's where his concern is um he wants okay the impact fees have not been updated since 2013. so

Which impact?

For public works, for your water, your treatment plan, all that stuff down there. Okay, so he asked someone to do it in November and he has yet to get anything back from them. So what he's thinking he's going to do is he's going to do a request for proposal and just go out and have it done. And he wants it that way because he wants Whoever's going to do this to understand that the only way you're going to get the right information is if they have meetings with him. They can't just take the information and just go into their little office somewhere in some other town and not know what's going on here. So he wants biweekly meetings, and he's going to be setting some guidelines.

Isn't that required to have a study done to even raise them?

Yes, and that's what he's been working on. But the person that they asked to do it, They're not getting the information that they need. They just kind of, we don't know why, but it's not coming through. Okay.

But at least this empowers Carl to do something about it.

And he is. Okay, so Christine, the other group, what are they? Planning and zoning, that's where they are. They're not going to come to the meetings unless they have something on the agenda. It's really a waste of their time. And they are working really hard to bring things back in line to where they should have been. And a lot of stuff is going on that people are unaware of. And I'll be honest with you, I've just told them I don't want to know all of it. So they're working extra hard. And planning commission this last week, I felt like, and so did they, they were not treated well.

neither was i by a couple of the members uh there is a look i'm here i'm being a fan of the bunny game i thought i thought you couldn't go with my community no we that was a that was that was said but now i'm going again since we went to the meetings down in st george and we come to find out that um it's more of a standard to have them attend and so we're going to go ahead and do that

You don't say anything unless you're asked or unless you have to put anything out there, but you just listen.

Was there something specific that happened?

Yes, but we can talk about that in closed session, not in this session. It was comments that were made by a couple of people. Okay, so they tried to do a pause on growth and it didn't go over well, you know, because of obvious reasons. Okay. So they have slowed things down. But by slowing down, they're making sure all the T's are crossed. They're making sure fees are paid, which they've been missing some fees in the past that have not been paid. So now Christine is going back and trying to dig through the dirt. And I do believe Jamie may be doing some of that too. I'm not sure. Is Michelle doing it too? OK. And so part of the problem in talking with Carl and Andrew is impact fees not being paid. Whether they were traded or whether they, that's a chunk of change. The amount Carl told me around, that's a chunk of change. And so that is a concern for them. If we had that money, we would be where we're at.

It's still being hurting, but not this bad. I don't know what it is.

The number he threw out to me was $3 million. It's not a $0.05 deal.

Michelle checks that before any building permits were issued. I don't know if we're missing out on impact fees. We were missing out on maybe fee to lose and those sorts of things. I don't know that for sure, but I know that

jamie and michelle every time a building permit before it was issued they would double check everything to make sure the numbers were right and well i think they're doing that now i think they're doing a lot of that now i think a lot of it wasn't ladies in the office that's it just wasn't assessed is what i'm understanding by a private by a private a previous employee so things they're they're doing a lot on the background that nobody knows about and it looks like they're not doing anything so they did put three um developments they did hold them off because they're making sure everything is done right and everything is buttoned down the right way and that caused a little bit of tension and planning commission but other than that we're good everything else is great oh i know that shari is not here the thing at the park the other day the library summer kickoff parents are raving about that

absolutely raving there they think it's i think whatever i had the biggest impact on the parents loved it one thing they did say that they really enjoyed and that was the interaction with the police officers they said their kids said well they're not so scary after all

You know, so it's a positive, positive when we get that. And then actually, pillar one, check, check, check. We did a great job. The library did a great job. So I'm done.

And if I can interject at this point, I know Carl sent out an email today with a lot of that proposal that you had talked about. So when you get time, he asked that all of you read through that in quite detail so you can understand where he's coming from.

Brad? um recovering from dc it was uh it was a really great event it was nicer to get it done and behind us um thanks to mary and zach for coming out to the candlelight vigil uh seeing how like how massive is and if we wouldn't have had the weather it would have been three times as big we got In fact, it was really, really miraculous. When we got there and seated, it was raining. I think it was coming down pretty good. As soon as it started, rain stopped. And the pastor that gave the prayer, you could see the really dark, thick cloud building and coming down. And the last name was called. And it came down. Everything that should have been falling during that one hour and a half. And typically it's about a two and a half hour ceremony. And it's like it all came at once. And so by the time we got back to the hotel, everybody was locked and everything. But it was really great. It's a great event. I want to especially thank Publicly, Brigham City's chief for allowing coverage. I believe that we only needed them on two shifts, if I understand, is that right? Yeah, Perry helped out as well. Perry. Yeah. Brigham City and Perry helped out. The officers that stayed behind went to the, I mean, they crammed themselves into the ground and they covered. my staff so just a public thank you on that um i think everything well i'm gonna i'm gonna take this time to one thank the rest of the council and the directors the department heads for the work that you put in for helping me learn my role and my lane and i know i can kind of I can get easily distracted and jump into somebody else's lane and stuff like that. And so for that, I apologize. It's still a work in progress. I think part of it comes from my prior experience and having seen cities do it completely wrong. And just in the hopes that we avoid getting into that is kind of where my heart and mind is on it. 100% trust the department heads that we have. Everybody seated here at this table, I thoroughly enjoyed working with you guys, even for the non-fund stuff that we have to do and work through. And so with that, my standard, I mean, it's just gonna be the same as Ritz, wash, rinse, repeat. The department needs more funding and hopefully we can get that figured out. I think getting to that point to go along with Bo, I think by the time the next budget session goes around, I think we are in a much better place to get all the departments where And so I think patience on that time, and there are some things that we can do in the meantime to shore that up that don't hit the budgets. We've got, I haven't dealt with Jeff, but I see he's on here. Jeff looks like he has several things on the agenda, so anything else you want to add to what's going on over there with the party?

we do need to figure out and if i need to work i work on it selling them to ambulances I can call some people if I'm not stepping on anybody's toes.

I've asked you a question about being dominated, and I did want to ask, that was part of my kickoff. Great. Anything else?

Great. Oh, I've asked Cynthia to read in both City Council and then I've asked the Planning Commission to read this to our commissions. This is a personal devices memorandum that I'd like read. So if you wouldn't mind, go ahead and read that for us now.

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So I just, I thought that was information, yeah. Yeah, that is, that, yeah, that does, does that also include like if, if, something's being presented and it's outside my wheelhouse and I lean over to one of these two and ask a clarifying question or what does that mean? Is that better like in front of everybody or?

I think it'd be better to ask in front of everybody because everyone, if you have that clarifying question, others may as well. And so I would encourage you to just ask it out loud so everyone can hear. Okay.

The use case that I've, been guilty of in the past that might conflict with that is like for example I knew I was going to ask Chief Cordova a question so I texted him saying hey I'm going to be asking this question to you give him a few minutes to prepare that so I'll have to stop doing that I think unfortunately but just to be clear that is a use case where I've been guilty of that but more in good intention of giving them a minute

I think there's a difference between that and texting family or friends or somebody else.

I just said with previous guidance I've been here that the thing went off.

a distraction after any takes good enough there myself who knows what do i gotta stop playing like solitaire yeah yeah probably we just have to stop playing i had to take this act like you're enthused so

So thank you.

I just wanted everyone to understand that. We wanted to be very quiet. We're going to see those hockey score updates.

Text me the hockey score. But I requested it.

Chief, it's your turn.

so um to revert go back to blair's question because that's kind of one of the things i want to talk about the two ambulances sitting outside we've had had some interest from hiram city about getting a donation of an ambulance to them and i've had other cities call and say, hey, we're interested. We heard you have some ambulances for sale. What are you looking at as far as cost? So I let them know the issues that they have. One has an air compressor issue, which is a minor fix, but the gist of it is they're old. They're old and they're not going to really generate more than I would say $80,000. Just asking some of the sales reps that I've been working with on new ambulances, they're like, yeah, they're not going to something's better than nothing so my question to the council is would we like to donate one of them both of them do we want to sell both of them what's the direction that you would like to take i'm torn on the issue personally i i that's why i'm asking okay well i'll take because i i brought it up on the one of the small cities uh and and asked about

if it was something that we could just donate. And realizing how tight funds are for us, and a city so much smaller than we are, and that if we're in a position, I mean, I know $8,000 could be allocated elsewhere, and it doesn't, may not directly benefit us, but man, if we could help a struggling city get by until they could get something, I favor the donation. Now, if it was somebody like Salt Lake City that, you know, they'd leave money out everywhere, I would say definitely not. But in this case, I would be supportive of, you know, taking the letter over.

And I would agree. I think a donation would be nice, because they are going to have to put some money into them to make them operational. benefit their city and so that's why i'm like i don't know how much i really want to sell them for are they getting making my ambulances or something else i don't know for your the city you're talking about decks i don't know because it feels hard and they want to use it as a transfer avenue so they use it i think it's an ambulance yeah i think i'm pretty sure it's saying it's i think the one that that they have is like higher anything that yeah they're definitely going to use it for

Does anybody know what we got on that last one that you guys had for a while? Dustin's still here. I don't remember that much. It was more to be expected. I thought it was. I feel like it was 13 now. Yeah. No, it wasn't bad. There's like a whole. And it was, these are quite a bit better than that.

yeah they're turning them into homes so they sell pretty good you could auction them off for that the one that needs the air compressor would make it that's a roof the one that needs the air compressor is probably in a better condition it really is but i can try to sell them that's why i said i really want some some feedback because i'm really torn on it i wouldn't mind a neighboring agency that's much bigger did just offer up an ambulance of the donations And I saw that and I was like, well, I thought about it for a second, but I'm like, no, we're wanting to get newer equipment because we're putting money into maintenance on these things.

And then on the other one, and Chief, I'm going to put, I really meant to bring this up to you earlier when we chatted, is with the direction of that major investigations co-op, is when something like that formatted for something like that, be of any value to that endeavor? And if not...

I don't think so. The only practical use I can come up with is like for a forensic unit, but it would make more sense based on our need to just contract case by case with like .

Okay. So I don't think so. That was my only question on the other one. Sorry. Yeah. it wasn't until now that i realized we used to donate them all for like a dollar but then i mean but when they were thirteen thousand dollars you have two of them there's that's half your new pickup yeah you're right so i don't i'm i'm not supposed to just go but what about you tried to sell them and if we can't or if the value one of them keeps dropping then we just

yeah i mean i'm just one guy i don't know i'm just thinking so i looked at i asked the um horton and citizens martin about selling it for us and they were like yeah you don't want us to sell it because we're going to charge an enormous amount you basically won't make any money so okay well that's that's one option the other option is we put it online there's different websites we can put it on and try to sell it that way facebook is another good option if you're okay with me doing that i didn't know what the rules were that's why that's why i'm here asking about it um if you're cool doing that we can put it on facebook i think we just have to strip all the emergency emergency stuff yeah it's like a camper yeah and so i i mean i don't really know if you have to do that they just have to do it

do what they gotta do with it, right?

We've either done like or something like that.

It's an option.

I mean, I just think there's some money there, but I don't, maybe we set like a ceiling and if we don't get anything over $5,000, then we donate it. Anything over that, then we sign this.

I just know sitting out there for the summer, they're gonna fall apart. Plus it doesn't look good.

I mean. Put them up on cinder blocks.

well we'd probably be better off if we're going to sell them to take them down if carl's got room down there in the corner but i already asked and said he doesn't because he's got products in there that was my first thought was to put them there and i tried but sorry so should we give it a time frame that was kind of my thought i mean if we're if it's not selling within a certain time frame but don't ask me what the time frame is because i'm all for getting money to help the city out but if it's just going to sit there and

So let me just throw this out. Let's say if they haven't sold by August 1st and they don't go for more than $5,000, then don't either.

Does that sound good? I think them guys will probably just want the one. Wouldn't they? I would imagine. That $350,000. I like that. August. We need to get it on the site because he knows. Some people wreck them somewhere else and need something until they can find something.

I could talk to the diesel brothers and see if they don't want it just to destroy it.

No, but I mean somebody like Clayton wrecked that one and they were looking for one and they were hard to get so they just bought one to get by.

okay okay i'll try to put it up on the website here within the weekend perfect so with that um we've blair kind of has a little bit more insight to this than the rest of you we've been previously we were on a replacement schedule because every what two years we were buying a new ambulance um and somewhere along the way we got off that schedule in the past couple years in more than a couple of years, four years. It was that it took so long to get that order down in like four years. And so we finally got our new ambulance that we just recently got in house. And we waited a good four years for that. We're still behind on ambulances. We still have three that are two that we're using currently in there. Sorry, three that we're using currently with our new one. So we have four in service. Three of them are old. They're coming up on 10 years. And so we need to replace those. And so we actually have sit in smart as a new company. We're not working on this next one that we've got going. It's already. I'm going to say built. The plans are in place to build it. We're just waiting to sign paperwork and move forward. If we do that, which would be tomorrow, we'll have a meeting with Citus Martin. The delivery date would be April of next year, so April 27. So the turnaround time is substantially better than it was in the past. they they hit behind covet for four years on this last one so we're beyond that point we'll get it within a year from tomorrow we signed the paperwork and we'll lock it in the price um at 385 000. so my question to you is do we want to do that put that onto our fiscal budget i'm going to talk with jamie if we're looking good to be able to pay for the ambulance all right um so the benefits obviously are going to be uniform fleet we're changing the color to red i suppose you've seen it driving around and matches the color of the fire truck if you haven't come over and check it out um and then less maintenance is the other the other thing where by getting newer fleet you have less money going into maintenance on them less downtime, and then our higher resale value if we have newer equipment. And so with that, we have a few options. Do we pay for it outright, which Jamie and I have looked at and we potentially could do that, or do we lease it? So some of the options I can share with you real quick, if we're doing a three-year lease and it's just one leasing company, Republic First National, it would be at a 4.73% interest. It would be 137,000 over a three-year period. If we did every five, it'd be 86,000 for a five-year lease. So if we did those, I mean, you're looking at still 10 years before you replace an ambulance over five years. That's exactly what I'm thinking. What's the lifespan on an ambulance? We stretched it with 10 years.

Let's say you're not doing transfers.

If you're not doing transfers? I wasn't doing transfers. They would be in a much better condition than they are now. They would be in a way better condition. That's another option that we could look into is we could try to buy an ambulance what we call a sprinter van style ambulance for a fraction of the cost of these. Just for transfers, because trying to fit an EMS staff in there with a patient, anything more than one patient and one EMS personnel is going to be a nightmare because they're smaller. But they're better on fuel, and the fuel economy is way better. Their cost is, like I said, a fraction of the cost. You're looking at an out-the-door ready to go, drive it off the lot, $125,000, $130,000 versus $300,000 to $400,000. If we were to go that route, again, that's not something we want to use for anything more than transfers. We support it. It's just not.

So with something like that, would you have the medical equipment necessary for these transfers?

Are you talking just- Yeah, we would just take it from an existing ambulance. So the ambulances that we have outside, they've been stripped. All the equipment, including the stretcher, is taken out. And so the only thing they have left that resembles an ambulance is the box and the lights that fit in the sirens. And so all the medical equipment, we've taken out and So that's kind of its own topic for another day because medical equipment is its own expense. It's part of it, you know, but good thinking, but it's not the real meat and potatoes of that.

So if you had like a spinner man, like a dedicated transport one, it would extend to life and the maintenance of the more expensive ones. Yes. So it would actually be... Saving a lot of money in the long run, yeah.

I mean, $130,000, you could buy three Sprinter ambulances and do transfers out of those versus one bigger box.

And I think the other thing we can look into is impact fees. We can purchase those ambulances if we can guarantee they last longer than 10 years. Yeah. And so now, unless they cut that in legislation this last time,

so anyway that's something to think about as well the correlated study that it's for the growth right so and correct me if i'm wrong jamie up here on this but the idea my idea of leasing like i said it's going to help us get to where we need to be replacing our vehicles um it's not it's going to be an occurring cost we'll have the same cost every year right we're not trying to come up with 400 000 this year and then three four years from now trying to come up with another four four hundred fifty thousand because the cost of the daniels the cost of steel all the products continues to go up and so it was a real surprise yeah exactly we had it in the budget before that we were saving what was it 114 now it's the was like 160 a year out of the capital for just angels but somehow that's what god i don't know twice and that's so that's kind of what i wanted that's exactly what i'm not kind of that's exactly what i want i want to get back to that where they're releasing or we're just saving it but then inside that's up to you guys but i'm just trying to lay out the options for it and let you know trying to get ahead of the problem um because two out of those three out of the four ambulance that we have they're going to start having issues and then we're going to be having problems taking chances is the sprint band and it may be the wrong approach but with the sprinter transport then would that be available on the lease yeah i'm sure you could lease anything if you wanted to at least some lease vehicles we could fire trucks that we wanted.

But if we did that, then we couldn't use the impact fees for leases, right? No, not for those. Because they would be less.

Oh, yeah, you're right. We're at lease now. I think we only want to do one at a time.

Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I just think we want to pay for one at a time. So we've got to get the schedule that says if we're going to buy it, we can lease it for three years and we don't order another one until we're due.

well and three years goes by pretty fast and that that kind of that will help us avoid if we did let's say we do a three-year lease that would help avoid the problem we just had with this uh orton ambulance where we waited four years to get it because we're ordering the ambulance we're getting the same cookie cutter product if you would every three years they know it's already on the schedule once we sign the lease that we've got one ambulance today and three years from now they're going to start producing our two and a half two years two and a half years from now they'll start production of our next because we're on that lease schedule. Does that make sense?

So do they take that one back or do we keep that and then do what comes? You'll keep it. You can do it a couple of times. It's kind of a lease purchase.

Yeah, you can do lease purchase or you can do the lease where they own it and they take it back.

We bought them every three years or whatever and never had any problems. But we got that Horton going four years with COVID just messed it all up. It was all... I like that idea if we can shift the money I don't think you want to pay kids. Well, are we allowed to accrue interest on money we have in the bank?

So I mean, if we could put that money and set it in an interest-bearing account when it comes to- So one of the two, then Jamie just said, there's the thing, and you just write a check.

And that's what we did before. But we never, that's before we had wages. So we just- I love the idea of the sprinter vans.

I think that makes a lot of sense for transfers.

It helps get us to where we need to be as far as ambulances go and it helps to defer the cost of such an expensive thing and then move so we can have an extra ambulance to go do the transfers and give us time to work.

When the sprinter vans could be on their own cycle.

the other three of their cycle um and i would say you're probably thinking the same thing i'm thinking i hate to put you on the spot but what are your thoughts she's the money person well um i have it in the proposed budget right now just to buy one outright but this is the first time i heard about this And I like that idea as well. Yeah.

Trying to think of ways to get to the end goal.

If we're in dire need of an ambulance, my preference would be, just because of getting in and understanding where everything's at, my preference would be to buy this next one with the anticipation of rolling it over in three years, and then come back and talk about it sooner than.

but you but just for me i probably won't be here in five years or whatever but it's just got to be the same you can't it can't be because this took so long i mean if it took four years then it almost reset it because you just started over so you gotta they gotta have them

i'm going to say this now because you'll hear me say it over and over again but i've been like diving into the weeds right trying to to figure everything out i want to come back with the capital project capital equipment program coming back coming back i just can't have it in two weeks i'll have some of it there's going to be some programs because i can't stuff we we have that in there that the adults because the amps we know we're going to buy them the engines can go 10 years and depend on what would use but i need to go back and look at what history what the history is and then know what we have even in inventory and then get with chief and bring that program forward

And not just with ambulances, right?

No, it's the whole city. There's a lot of work to do. And then just another thing to make you aware. I'm not keen on him signing paperwork tomorrow.

Don't we have to legally bid it? We already did the bidding process. so we had a foreign since mark and then um i think it was north star was the other one what about will coach because when i go to the coast they had them i think they were cows filled this spot three of them when they had the bidding they were the highest oh and so well then they've been if they've been it but i think it's legally you have to these these guys will come in unless you piggyback off something

no citizens martin came in at the lowest that's why we switched from court to civil war my concern is the budget um and so you will see that there's a 400 000 land item in the amendment for fiscal year 26 as we end this but it's because if we sign the document now we're on the hook for that purchase order right they get delivers the equipment the next day and then we would have to take it And so that's why you have to have it on the budget. And then you'll see it again in next year's budget. And it's just a timing issue. It's not that we're on two. So I just want to make sure that you'll see that. It's a money issue where if we don't, we're kind of being pressured, right? That if we don't find the document that the price could go up to Y1. and i think part of that i know and so that if you're not comfortable with that that's fine we can take it as a budget but and i'm pretty sure part of that contract is that their delivery date we're signing that their delivery date is what we what they say it is and also before that right but by law like by law with the state auditor's office we are up because we're actually signing up for disorder we're signing it it has to be it has to be and that's that's what i'm protecting is protecting the city on that.

They're training to sell school.

Oh, sure. I get it.

I just call it work and wait. My opinion, I'll bet there can't be much.

Worst case, what are we looking at? Increase what? Like a 3%? Or just tell them we'll put it out for bid again.

Yeah. That'll keep them from us. But I agree with you.

We haven't done the budget.

You're on the hook for it. We're only... weeks away from it a month or less than a month away. Especially if you just communicate with them. We're waiting to do that after but not right now.

And it might push back to them every day. But your other one you've only had in service.

Yeah so I think the hard part is going to make sure you get the

a three-year i mean you really ideally you want it 2026 and then the 2029 yeah you know what i mean well if we agree that it's three years which i think is great then that's what i'm going to stick to i don't i mean as long as i'm in the position of chief that's what i want to do because i think it's important we have i think conditioning equipment i think if you roll into those transfer bands i think that that sounds very you know that same year they ought to first out stuff so but they'll just have to go get in the transfer man yeah and there'll be occasions where there's a second transfer and we have to take a regular engine and we'll do that um i mean it's also good for the vehicle to be able to run on rather than just going quick you know mile or two down the road to be able to get on the freeway and drive and the boaties give them some words quick yeah i know i like late bought them sprinter vans they did yeah But where I'm at is if you two like it, then I like it. I'm told if I'm waiting until July to sign it. Like I said, I might be just worried, like you said, getting it in the budget and being able to say, yeah, we're gonna get it and replace the old one.

Does this 400 come from the general fund or does this come from the fire budget?

So within the fire budget, there is a transfer to the fire budget this year. because it would be it'll be april anyway so that's right yeah goodbye for an extra budget yeah as long as there are checks in the checklist

You should have been watching Jamie's face and not mine. She wanted to throw the book in there. Look, I'll come over here by Lindsey. She's fine.

Just to kind of jump into it. Do you want to jump into this next piece already? Okay. So we'll go with that. So I will say that. Okay. And then, so the next part of that was increased staff. What I'm proposing is that we add one part-time staff member. So we have currently for three full-time and one part-time staff. And I can't, I should have wrote it down. I want to say it's 68 part-time shifts, which would be 12 hour shifts. It goes out to about 34 I think 34, 35, 24-hour shifts that were not filled by part-time staff and at various reasons, right? Sick people, people call out sick. We had four, now we're down to three. When that happens, the biggest issue is when we're down to three, we can only send one ambulance out. We can't send another ambulance. We're waiting for people to come back to the station and we're having less and less people coming back for callbacks. So my proposal is that we add a second part-timer so that would bring us from four on staff to five. We would have a buffer staff member in there basically to account for sick, leave, and things like that. Ideally, if we're staffed fully at five, we have two part-timers and three full-timers, then we can send out ambulance on a transfer, we still have an ambulance in town or a full engine crew, if you will, to respond to whatever incidents we have at the time. Once the first ambulance is out of town on their transfer or they're assigned to a medical call, then we have three people still in town to handle the next 911 call or transfer. then that would be one person ideally that would be the captain at the station now send out the call back hopefully we would get someone in for the call if not you still have someone there that can at least man station and be able to say okay we need to pin that next transfer whatever call it is or call for help things like that so that i'm proposing that we add a second part-timer um and i believe we said it will continue uh it was about i think it's about 50 yeah about 52. yeah if they show for admission yeah 52 to

or just one this for adding one person so you think about this way 365 days a year for 24 hours a day you're adding one person do you have it in the budget or is this something we have to come up with so because he was short-handed this year um the salary line wasn't extended And so there would be funds that would roll over in the FIRE fund to be able to use for next year.

Now I think, and I'm not positive on this, but I think this could help reduce overtime as well. It could, yes. And that's what I'm saying, if we have an extra person, something called off sick, now you have 40. Your minimum staffing will be full. Yes, minimum staffing will be full. So then there's some savings from overtime as well that could be applied to this as well. Absolutely. And I guess we just ask you to try to manage it that way and see if you could do that.

Yes, absolutely. And you know, in the following year, it does mean that we have increased staff. Yeah, year after year. Right. So we do have the savings this year that are rolling.

we're going to do accounts for higher but we're also anticipating that um the gold cross that the gold cross was doing a better job at collecting good cool so that's good

which is a perfect segue into my next topic, which is I would like to propose we start billing for fire services. What I mean by that is, for example, we go on a traffic accident. This is something that we were doing, correct me if I'm wrong, Blair, in the past. I know when I first started part-time, I remember going over on a traffic accident on the side of I-15 and going, can I see your insurance car? What do you mean? I'm like, it's your car insurance and your driver's license. put in that information and we would bill for oil cleanup extrication things like that on the freeway there's a company fire recovery USA that I'm proposing we work with basically what they would do is they right now currently we're not collecting on any we're not asking for any payments or anything to collect on those type of calls traffic accidents would have to be right that we're only collecting on pms calls um this company would not charge us unless we went on a call let's say a traffic accident then they would bill based off of these rates that you're you're seeing here the average cost for the customer would be about let's just go with 726 um currently from january 1st until june 1st we've missed uh it was 38 calls we missed, and it would have been about $27,000 is what we would have been able to accrue from that, that we did not get. So if we were to start doing this, we would be able to accrue that. What percentage of cities do you charge?

A lot of them, yeah. Every single city in Salt Lake Valley did.

and suffering but think about other rules that change some rules we got to make sure that so that's ems and that we are abiding by that we're charging the flat rates that the state set which also just went up so july those rates will increase it's not a huge jump but it's a little bit of a bump up are we are we collecting dues from the county and elwood we fire in the past over the past two years billed in 24.

No, sorry, but it would have been the 25 year. I billed the county for both those years, the one we missed, and this year, and was told by the fire marshal that those budgets are closed and he won't be paying me. So I explained to him, I can understand that for the 24 year, but 25 would have been due January 26th, which is your current budget, and I haven't heard anything back. So I don't know if we're going to get that payment. Elwood, I reached out $25,000. $50 a month. Elwood, I've reached out and asked because we have to know their dwelling units. So I have to know how many new permits they've had for the last two years. I have not got a response. So I can't bill them until I know how many houses to build.

I agree. That's more than, I mean, not more than that, but that's legit.

And Elwood is charging their citizens $12 a month for fire.

yep they are they got to pay because that's illegal the part because they don't do the fire we do we do yeah and so we're working on that um as well we're trying to go back and collect from previous years really we didn't build and i'm working on that just oh oh because we went through three city managers during a party that wasn't oh it actually called us and asked for the billing and i explained to bill that would be great to get that bill

One concern I have on this is, as I was looking at this, should the city build residents or only insurance?

So that's the other thing. We have with these guys, they give us the option of, do we want to build residents or not? What we mean by that is, so the goal for the insurance, let's say, we'll just go back on there. So they go after Geico, Geico says, eh, okay, that was a $200 bill. We're only gonna pay a hundred bucks. You have to go after the citizen for the other hundred. When they say that, we have the option of saying, okay, yes, we want to, or we don't want to. So we can opt out and say, you're going to pay we're going to they're going to go after you they're going to do all the collections it's all out external it's nothing in-house we don't have michelle burdened with having to go to collections with these guys like with gold cross she can just focus on the stuff with gold cross that they turn over to her and these guys will focus on all of the fire time

So this is just for automobile?

This is just for automobile fire type calls. I mean, there's hazmat. I read the whole contract. Yeah, there's wildland fires. For example, we go out all the time on these fires where it's arson and there's, it is an accident, but they started a fire and now it caught, they're built on fire, now it's got their neighbors built on fire. They're liable for that. And so this company will go after those. So Gold Cross won't do fire stuff?

they do not i've already asked if i tried to this kind of we kind of figured this out through asking them and going to different countries so listen to this this is going to help your budget if we're going to start collecting where we haven't been yes correct it'll help fill in and maybe even pay for that part-time employee yes i'm just saying

It's money that we haven't been going for, we haven't tried to collect. So the way I look at it is, yeah, they're going to be taking 22% off the top for doing all the legwork, right? But it's 78% that we've never been manager. And so it's 100% of, it's a promise for us, right?

Anything's better than nothing where we're doing nothing.

Well, it's an increase in revenues.

Yeah, and it's going to help. It's going to help. it'll help pay for the end it'll help pay for the staff members i mean it's going to help i believe we can use them so i think when i read the contract the whole thing oh 25 999 pages it's okay it was a good read um i really didn't mean to call you guys and give you the biggest digest version i tried to in my email it's okay uh i just i got swamped today no it's fine it was a good read i'm on board

I just think if we're not collecting something that we should or could to help, you know, even with the cost of going out with the equipment that you're wearing, you're wearing out.

My only heartache with it is like at some point, is it a double tax? You know, people pay taxes. We give money to the government to provide emergency

another fee and that's why the insurance but i guess yeah yeah so that's the insurance company that's the clarifier that makes me feel comfortable with it is the insurance company is where and you're absolutely right i i thought the same thing and that's why i also like the option of not billing our citizens so if their insurance company said we're not going to pay it and it happened in their citizen of tree mountain then we say okay well fine we won't pay either and we're not going to build them either um but i think all these numbers on this fee schedule that they have here these are based on what the insurance company will actually pay and so this company has been in business for a long time they know what they're going to be able to get and they're they're just like old crops they know what they can do so i'd like us to keep track of what we're writing around yes just so that we we know what we're back in the day we have ambulance bills in the tremont city residents got a different bill than the

anybody else and as far as i know this would not be a write-off because these are fees that we're trying to we're trying to recoup costs so it's not i think we're speaking yeah so and then i'd like to really encourage us to to set up with the county and help with that let's get that thing going so that that's fine okay let's get that contract i mean that's more than a little about then great they gotta pay that i mean

Okay.

Any other questions for Jeff or for Jamie?

I'm going to play the dumb skin in the room. Has there been any discussion about like regional type?

There has not. Okay. There was a few years ago.

Years ago, yeah, before I came into the picture. Yeah. And maybe that's a hot topic.

I don't think it's a hot topic, but I think as we move, it just depends on where the county's headed in the future. And if it's going to incorporate a whole bunch of other fire needs, we may need to start looking at a district fire.

I would agree. And it's something that we could, honestly, I'm just being frank with you, we could want and but if the county and surrounding agencies don't want to be a part of it, then it won't happen. The chief at Brigham and I, we both talked about it. It would benefit both of our cities if we were to look at something like that. But again, their city has to be on board. in the past with Perry and stuff, it would definitely help us having additional staff to deal with sick leave, all those types of things.

But in our county, Brigham City and Tremont already paid a crap load of money. for equipment that the county has paid zero time so and when they come in they come in and say okay we want this we got five engines we want two of them and they're gone and we pay for and there might be a problem there could be potential revenue sources that are different than they happen in the past but yeah so and it's not closed

I have some residents reach out to me and it's just a concern they have. Why do we take the fire truck? when the ambulance goes out? Why would it be more economical to take like an SUV or something like that?

What's that? I think I did a video, a YouTube video on this one.

Well, I just had a lot of questions the last little while and I went, hey, I'm not on the fire department.

So for example, there's, we quite often call it lip assist. And I'm not, I hate to say it, but the elderly, right? They fall down and can't get up. And so... it's a it's not totally workers company that's part of the right if we go out we send two guys on the annuals and that person happens to be bigger than those two can handle they want to throw their back out so we send an engine company with them to help lift that standard across the board that's everywhere in america that So it's something that we're doing to look out for our staff as well as the citizens to make sure we're not going to lift them up and have you drop them down or crack their skull because we're trying to lift them when people shouldn't be lifting by themselves.

So West Jordan tried this probably 15 years ago now. And the council at the time didn't want to see the engines going out on these medical cars. So they put them in a smaller truck, almost like a brush truck. But then what happened was the ambulance, and it was in the westernmost, so there were four fire stations. It was in the westernmost fire station, in Station 55. While they were out on that, a fire broke out, and they couldn't respond to the fire. They had to respond back. transferring the engine, and by that time, the one house that was consumed had caught the neighboring house on fire, and they lost three and a half houses, all because they had to, and they were actually on medical the next neighborhood over, and so they scrapped doing that because they took a lot of heat for, and it wasn't on the fire department for that. They were directed by the council to, to look at that.

at the time and correct me if i'm wrong but it's so that you know that happens and then you were instantly able to go direct to a to a fire scene or something and not have that that left no i get that it was just the residents asked and i needed to ask you on the public safety liability session down i think george it was our insurance company the trust uh-huh who showed us a couple videos and it's a safety like if you're out on the freeway with your ambulance they have the fire truck in front of the ambulance somebody slides into your

fire truck they block it from hitting your ambulance and your people no i just thought where people are asking i needed to ask you because i had to be accountable to the public i'm pretty sure i made a video on that one but if i didn't i can't make a video and i've been doing that so if you guys have questions citizens that are asking questions i'll tell them go look at the video yeah no no but let me know and i will make a video i think chrissy's question was a very good clarifying question because

Yeah, why not take a little SUV, take some people over and carry it?

What you said makes all the sense in the world. Yeah, I will. Let's have that there.

For that reason, you'll see the engine at Kent. You'll see it wherever we're having lunch for the year they want us there.

Okay, I just have to clarify.

That's the answer we need.

Thank you. So that's great. Okay, thank you. Great discussion. Thanks. Jamie, did you have anything else yet?

No, I just had another one. Yeah.

and we're moving on to fee schedules yes and so you can so let's see oh did we talk about your schedule yet this is hard this is okay you're still on and so this arose from looking at the charges for spire and i'm like yeah we need to be charging more

so we were charging 20 just for a residential small commercial building um most of the departments are charging 50 55 bucks and then they're also charging for a re-inspection of 65 bucks so after looking at neighboring departments uh in our county outside of the neighboring counties that's where i came up with these numbers they're also charging by the square foot so from one to twenty thousand square foot it would be a hundred dollars then uh two hundred dollars from a hundred to twenty thousand and one square feet fifty thousand two hundred dollars and then from fifty thousand and more would be three hundred dollars does that make sense okay and so um and then for this is just a general fee um we used to not charge anything and so now we charge 25 dollars for inspections for government buildings i don't think we would have any government buildings here but if we had a new government building coming we would charge that for for the inspection there um and then just our regular in our fees for apparatus if we were to have someone come and rent the want the fire truck to do a standby type event that's what these are for um so for a rescue engine it would be 85 an hour and then for um 585 yeah 585 per hour and so that's including the staff on the on the And then the cost for an additional staff or just one staff member who were charging 25, this is the one that I looked at and I'm like, wow, we're paying people more than $25 an hour. So we're losing money when we send someone out to a rodeo standby or whatever. So I looked at, okay, most people what they're making and then if they're on overtime. So that brought me to $72 an hour. Again, looking at what the fire recovery was charging and that's what sparked in the desire to change these. Thank you, Cynthia. So equipment personnel arrive on scene. So just to have them arrive, again, it's the same cost for the rescue engine. It would be 585. For ambulance for standby, we're looking for 52. We were charging 110. And again, I looked at surrounding agencies, what they were charging, and I tried to kind of meet in the middle on that 254 per hour for the ambulance. And this is separate. This is not an ambulance transfer, a 911 call, or a transfer from the hospital. This is like standby events. So this would only be a fee. that would be charged to that specific events or individual that was requesting the equipment um and an extra attendant again we were charging 40 which was better than 25 but we went to this flat across the board 72. I think it's same thing 72 for a staff um and then the off-road uh vehicle we were it was at 10 um 10 miles and i looked at that i'm like man a lot can happen in 10 miles going off-road with an ambulance and so i'm thinking about wear and tear the fuel alone um so for a dollar 50 per mile you barely recuperate your cost for you know 10 miles And so I thought about, we thought about that. At first, I was wanting to change it to more than one mile, thinking most driveways are less than a mile. So if you're off-road, you're probably going to go into a residence that's in town or probably out in an incorporated area. So we looked at that. Cynthia and I, I forget what we found, I think it was in state law, it said two miles. And so that's in accordance with the state law, two miles. So anything other than two miles. Can I say that state contract has the off-road policy? Yeah, it does. And it was two miles. So anything above two miles, we could charge $1.50. And then this is for extrication equipment. Again, we were charging 100. For lights and equipment being out, this would be, we'd go up to 637. And then for heavy extrication, we were charging 150. And that went up to 726. if there's a collapse or something like that, we would be charging $886 for that. That's a flat fee, not grand. That, I think if you go back to that one, that was a flat fee, yeah. Because it was per hour. And then this one's just a standby ambulance, the 135 for the ambulance itself with a number two personnel. Oh wait, sorry. it includes two it includes the first time and so that would be for the first two hours so they if they only want us for one hour we're going to charge them for two in person and so it includes them to just go ahead and say hey lunch for two hours anything about that recharge one to five per hour and then for just the medical staff member if they just wanted to have a sit at a booth it would be 72 dollars for the for the staff And so, and again, this is really for your, I'm trying to think, where is this? Did we pull this from state legislation as well Cynthia? Yeah, this is straight out of state legislation. So we were at 2116 and we upped that to 30. then the 53 cents per copy for paperwork so we're just the whole schedule we were just behind on a lot of fees that we needed to come out is that included it's like if they request a digital copy like i would think it would be 30 bucks if you flat rate at 30 and if they wanted it right off they could work every charter for the paper that makes sense Just some places where we were just not recuperating costs. We were just basically giving the service and the equipment, the products for free. In this part, I felt like renting the fire station. The training room is now our kitchen and our living quarters, what we call our day room. It's an area where we relax. So I don't think we should rent that anymore. because our our station is growing we have living quarters downstairs and then the like your like the neighborhood hangout area is upstairs where we have our families come um where we also have our trainings things like that so i just don't think it's appropriate to rent the fire station anymore what are your thoughts good with that i think we have other places okay

Yeah, we're running short on time. Are we almost done? I think so, yeah. We may have to table this then. Yeah, because we've got a lot more to discuss tonight. That was my section.

Billing section, just updating rates that haven't been updated in years. Totally got rid of the temporary occupancy fee and Kirk had a good example for me. That house that you're driving through Beaverdam that has a door to nowhere. That's because they got a temporary occupancy permit. In Beaverdam, when you're driving to Logan, there's that house up on the east hill. It's a two story house that has a door and don't decorate anything. The reason they were able to move in and have a house with a door to nowhere was because of a temporary occupancy. Yeah, but doesn't that normally have to be changed?

Yeah, as quick as you final, as quick as you finish it. So it hasn't never been finished, so they've never got final.

But they got to go in with a temporary, so that would, if you don't have a temporary occupancy, they would have had to finish that before they moved in.

That place is 10 or 12 years old. That's been there a long time.

I thought to just get rid of temporary occupancy permits altogether. I don't think we want them. like you finish your house and then you can move it.

Yeah, I agree. I couldn't agree more.

Yeah, if you want to talk about it real fast.

Is this just a residential?

So in commercial, a good example is the website from Sinclair store out here, right?

It's going through a process to come back into service right so we will help them get back into service as phases and but they're you know you can see the goal to the end correct yeah so as long as they're in the process we're okay with that okay that's why i asked because i've been in situations in business when you're operating yeah and you're trying to you're trying to get through the whole thing and it's sometimes it's pretty difficult so that's our that's our goal

Oh, yeah. We have been getting charged for this in the past, correct? No, the other one did not. Oh, did not charge. Okay. But we're going with a Cassell. Zift. Zift. Thank you. But it's through Cassell, real-time payments. People who use their bank to pay will be charged $1. So we're gonna pass that charge on to the person. Zachary.

So for parks and rec, we do have several fees that are low. We purposely kept them low in the past to encourage people to rent and reserve them. We've come to a point where they are being reserved and sometimes people are fighting for those. So we did, we doubled them from five to 10, but we also added a resident and non-resident fee within those. And that's for mostly our field rentals for fall diamonds. Go to the next one, Sophia. Then we also did the same with our batteries. We, instead of the $20, we, went to 25 for residents and 40 for non-residents. In the past, basically it's been that for as long as you want. So now I've put an hour structure. So anything less than four hours is a half day. And then anything more than four hours is a full day, which has different costs. Keep going now. Then I added a, oh, A tournament, if a tournament wants to come to town, then we charge them a flat rate per field. That includes one prep. And we help to prep the someone who wants to host a local game, so at least pay for a cost. Okay. And then, yeah, go to the next one. Next one. oh did we oh we took some out um so the ones that we took out were stage rentals and um not allowed stage rentals in here but it is under the community event permit so we can now talk or we can set grades on on community events so if they want to come we've had several um organizations that want to come in and rent out the entire park it's kind of just now we're having them if it doesn't fall within a rental process then they fill out the event and then recharge port and that's what that stage one also is we took out renting the stage but you can put the stage under a community event

at the parks on that requirement? So we need to update those.

There are signs that you can no longer see. So we are working on getting all the rules updated and those signs refreshed. So we can put something on there for reservations for sure.

I was just thinking if you've got a bowery there and you've got

oh yeah so so when a bunch of guys that show up to have lunch or whatever they're sitting there yes we do have reservation signs on all of the locations that um put a big michelle and jamie they print out who comes in reserves whatever valerie or what location and then my part guys get them go put them on that so

that's all on my part so yeah so like we discussed last week um with curtis here so we did the watery the five dollar increase for the water uh the dollar for the wastewater and then the dollar for the sewer but that's what carl has the concern he does he has a concern his concern is just

it might be more than right now and then are you guys going to be apt to wanting to do it again once we do the utility rate studies and see what they really should be i mean yeah the data and the utility rate study is what we point at right so in my mind he thinks he reached out to me today and he says that he thinks he can get the utility rate study done in a hurry just do it in-house he thinks he can get that done in a hurry he kind of feels like we're trying to rush this through and it may fight us in the end. Because if, like Lindsay said, if we raise rates right now, but we find out that they should be even higher or lower or whatever they are. What is he proposing? Carl? He wants to do a utility rate study and hold off on this for a minute, is what he would like to do.

Because this- In order to cover our bonds, it's a scary idea.

Yeah, and- What did we just commit to doing? That's what we've asked you to commit to.

well but we need to rely on jamie and what what she's what what do you think do we wait for that study i kind of agree with we raised them and everybody calls us and choose us out and then we do it again and i mean we have to do that the bond the five dollar one is is to stay in the covenants of that one that one's a i'm lost these other two the right there's I'm surprised it's going to be just a dollar. I'd be surprised if it's just a dollar. So if you want to wait, that's fine, but the funds are hurting. The funds really are hurting. And then I don't know, Curtis was the one that suggested the dollar raises for the wastewater and sewer and I don't really know the reasoning behind that other than there's no money to do the projects that Carl needs to do. We're hurting in the wastewater treatment plan.

So you're saying that dollar a bit is definitely going to be more.

It's not going to make, it's going to make some difference, but it's not going to be anything is what's really necessary. It's like a drop in the bucket. Yeah. What we need. So if you wanted to hold off, I mean, it's not effective.

But we need to do part of it.

This is enough to cover the operating expenses.

Correct.

But we need to do the $5 so it's staying.

But you're saying the other ones may be, we may raise the dollar now, but then we may raise that same fee more. I don't think we should raise the same fee twice in a year. We ought to just do it once.

so is it the water rate we have to stick with the water rate at the five dollars to get us to the 125 of net operating revenues we have to have a five dollar rate and projects yes and that's another conversation so we're just covering the bond covenants and just covering operating expenses we haven't talked about capital and infrastructure that's a whole other conversation coming

So what I'm seeing here is do we get ourselves, we're covering the bond, then in a few weeks, months or so, we sit down and we start talking with all the state that's come back to us, now this is what we do.

And I believe that that's what Carl's getting at, right? Yes. Yeah. And because there's that, so there's a capital infrastructure, so water lines, and then there's going to be the capital facilities plan, which is impact fees, so they're totally separate. Correct. aligning the water rates to get a capital infrastructure.

But just what Brett said, he said, we don't really want to do it twice a year. That's why I'm saying, do we just do the water and leave the sewer till his thing shows up?

Well, that's what Carl even said when I talked to him last week. He said, you know, what little bit we're raising it is not really going to make a dent in anything they need.

And that's why he just suggested- What would Curtis say against that? Do we know? I don't know. So was it sewer? He said- I would just hate if there's a- One of them. I think it's the sewer one. But to put it in perspective, the sewer would be $45,000 a year. I only ask because usually there's a thing that-

So I'm just curious why you would propose that. I'm comfortable enough with Carl and Jamie making the call, but then you can figure that out later.

But we still have to.

But we still have to, I mean, we do still have to decide that.

So what we're saying here is we're thinking of raising the base rate $5. and not raising the sewer rate a dollar until we get more data. The sewer and the wastewater. Yeah.

Because one of them, even Kirk, said you don't have to really do that yet, but it sounds like we've got to do more than that.

We're going to do a lot more. We're way behind.

There was one where we were talking about the sewer plant. We were talking about all the stuff coming in. he said that somewhere along the the storm grain route we were getting storm water into the sewer and that it would be about 200 grand to do a study to figure but that we could we could save a lot of future money if we did that study it is that is doing that study anywhere in the he hasn't mentioned it the last three meetings we've had um

He hasn't even brought it up. He's just more worried about this and not being able to be in line with the fees after the study is done, the rates after the study is done.

But he's more worried about the sewer and the wastewater than the water?

He's not worried about the water. Curtis is worried about paying the water bond.

We also don't have money to do other projects. But we don't have the money to do... Just cover our bonds.

Yeah, it doesn't... Fixing water lines. That's what we need to understand is this doesn't help Carl at all, this $5 raise. This is just to cover the bottom. You, maybe. I'm not going.

You are if you sign the thing.

I'm going to jump back on Jamie's. bandwagon of the assets angels right like that's why for two years we've been talking about those and i'm so excited to see that come to fruition so keep it up what would you do if you were on this side of the table if it was me i do the five to keep it in bond covenant and then drop the other two and do the water city and then address it i agree

We have to when we do a resolution left it we'll have to All right, how about competition and classification You're gonna see this this meeting and you're seeing it again next meeting But this one is just solidifying the pay increase or the increase to the pay scale for the fire department which we've already figured in the budget, but wanted to get your sign off to make sure you're cool with that because it's already in the budget. So it'll be approved tonight. And then next meeting, it's going to come back to you with all of the 3% COLA increases to all of the mins and maxes and police and fire pay scales. So this won't be in effect until July 1st, this pay scale increase, but I wanted it to be approved as it is part of the budget.

And it's already figured in the budget. We don't have to come up with something, okay?

It's already in the budget, so. This is the next one. This was our, in talking with Dalton about that water right issue we were having in Honeyville. This is our attempt to see if the state will accept this and let Vince Rogers put that water right in his name. I don't know that we're thinking it's going to work, but... We just have to pass a resolution to explain that the only reason we bought the land and the only way we could do it is because we had this purchase already planned to have the water right end property sold to Vince Rogers in order to get the water shares of Bear River Canal, company shares.

i guess so the public understands this is a resolution to try to help uh give vince rogers the rights to use the water that he's using on on the land that he he has it and we're just trying to find a way to make it work the original intent we didn't realize that we couldn't do that that they yeah okay understand that one okay uh chief cordova It takes me like 60 seconds.

So we have contract services for policing in Garland. It's basically with that, we're taking on the schools and money will come directly to Tremonton and it will be renegotiated.

I think it's every two, three years. five years since five okay five years my vibe is way off um yeah so this is just us taking that free money for the city i mean we're providing a service uh it's not a hard decision to wrestle with unless you guys have questions so the county does pay half of the wages i mean at the county the school district and it just looked like i went to our

spreadsheet i use for employee expenses for the budget and so this is the total compensation value we are paying for the two officers and they will pay half of that okay and they were great to work with when we negotiated last year a year before it was like enough to build so just pretty good do you have any concerns on that nope not a lot okay anything else

Interlocal agreement with Garland for court services.

So this is just because now we're going to be a combined well. We have the contract to be the police department for Fremont and Garland. It doesn't make sense to have the Garland Justice Court going to the county, which they have been doing for the last year. I'm not sure how long it's been. So this agreement would just mean that every citation that our officers write in Tremont, North Garland will come to our court here rather than the Tremont tickets coming here and Garland tickets going to the county. Does that make sense? So it makes sense.

And it saves the driving time.

Absolutely. And it just brings us together.

They'd have to bring them to our office. Does Garland get the revenue?

Yes. Hold that up.

I mean, didn't they have insurance before like that?

Their concern when we approached them originally was that our, to use our prosecutor, was just going to charge them hourly like he charges us, and they wanted a set fee so they knew what they were paying, and the county offered them that.

So we're doing the same fee that the county's doing. We're just going to match it.

Okay, that works.

And talk to Judge Erickson and Pete Bilson and

everything's going to be just fine county so we'll begin seeing them here now so he's on board and we'll provide public defender prosecutor bailiffs all the court personnel and so if we approve this then this will go to garden and garden will have the option to approve it or not yes and we do have we have it here july 1st or this does have to go to the administrative office of the court the aoc um and they're meeting So I don't know if they're going to be able to get it on their agenda to approve. So it's, we've got the caveat in there that July 1st or as soon as the AOC approves it and allows that to be moved. So.

Okay. Any questions on that one? Okay. Discussion of Fisher annexation. Who wanted to deal with that one?

You want me to?

Yeah, you or I can.

This is one that you guys can't annex anyway. But this is the process that the county goes through that they've applied for a permit in the county. And the county says, oh, sorry, we can't give you a permit until you go to Tremont City because you're in their future annexation boundary or adjacent to it. So they have to come to us to get a denial. We have to say we don't want to annex you in order for them to get their building permit through the county. But this isn't a spot. It would create an island. There's all things that we can't annex it. but we thought it was good to have it on here and get your official approval to send a denial to the county so that they'll issue a permit to the county.

Yep, send it, we're good. We're going to catch up there, you guys. We're going to go with the last subject before we pray on our strategies. During the week, I got thinking about this, and someone asked me, what is my agenda? I thought, well, I don't know. I don't have one. But I got thinking about it, and Zach and I talked a little bit about this. And if I was to just say to someone, my agenda as mayor, and I think as a city council, is council sets the strategies. departments carrying them out carry them out citizens shape them okay all pointed at one thing a more connected Tremont Tremonton with stronger relationships and vibrant and safe spaces and roofs built to last so in other words as a council we're going to set the strategies our departments so they can get together and figure out how we're going to carry these out but our citizens are going to be the ones that are going to point and say this is what we want you to do so we're working horizontally all together okay and and that's that's my vision that's not you know of course we have the vision of tremont city but my vision is how do we get from here to there and that's my agenda i don't have a specific agenda, you know. So if we can accomplish this, I think we've done some wonderful things. With that in mind, and put on your glasses because this is small and that would be a little bit bigger up there. But this is pillar one we talked about last week, okay? And so I took some of the things that you guys had mentioned and we put them in and we built pillar one. So today we wanna talk about pillar two, connected to each other. Zach, come on up here, you're gonna help us with this. And so Zach put together some of these challenges. Do you wanna talk about those, Zach? Yeah, so as the mayor talked about

the residents and their their portion of this right what i did is i went through and i i'm i feel um connected to the community pretty well i i review um typically all the I'm out in the community. I go to several board meetings within the community. I'm out on the fields talking with people. And these are the challenges that I heard most, not necessarily in any order, other than they're the most I feel I hear from the pillars. So I put them into the pillars that I feel that they belong in. And so this is the feedback I feel from the residents is these are the challenges, these are the hard parts of living here in Tremonton. and then it's up to us or you as the council to set the strategy on how to overcome the challenges right um and and then up to you guys to set the priorities within those um so um pillar two is connected to each other um the strategic focus should be uh belonging inclusion trends uh transparency trust and building community relationships So even though we hear it as each other, there is a lot more to it than just what's on the surface, right? And so some of the challenges that we face is intolerance and social division. There's a low civic engagement and education. We're a very blue collar community, but only about, I think the statistics say we only have 14% of our residents have community college education. Fourteen? Yeah, it's pretty low. It's in the teens. Transparency deficit, there's been people feel that a lack of openness, and I would Trying to get that that out social toxicity and bullying a lot of gossip and But that's it. That's it almost every small, right? So it's not if that a lot of these aren't unique to us, but They are challenges that we face and then just because they're not unique to us doesn't mean we can't be the ones that find solution for our But that drives that drives every one of them.

Yeah, I

yeah it does i mean it really does because that's well and here's the other thing is that there are there are some of them that are that are the pages are built to look like it's our community talking and it's not the organizers of it don't live in our community the commentators you know the ones that are anonymous you can't tell but there are There's a lot of outside influence being planted, and so I mean, how you go about dealing with that, I don't know. But the social media part, I mean, it's not, I don't think that's how our community feels. I mean, I think there are some pages where you get a pretty good sense, and especially if they'll put their name behind it.

and to your point a majority i feel of our community isn't even on social media because they want to avoid all that right but it still it still affects everyone i feel to some degree yeah because it's saying a message about it it's a it's and it's an outside perception of the region upon us and how how we

So a desired outcome may be an area where people share mind and can get together and share those thoughts and the positive.

Could we do something like a campaign that highlights good service, things that are happening in the community, the positive sides of connection and things that are that are taking place, because we've all seen them. We know they're there. But it's like the media. How often do they highlight the good versus the bad?

We tried doing that with the lemonade stands and the police officers.

And that was a big thing. Yeah. The kids loved it. Parents loved it.

Absolutely.

I noticed community, they were coming towards the lemonade stands that the children were doing where before they didn't. anything I'm agreeing with the phone just said anything positive we can focus on right now I'm going to throw this out there with what could be coming to Trima I would love to see us beautify our town a little bit and that is giving residents on board maybe we go back to a yard of the month just to be positive in the different areas and highlight people doing good rather than I think sometimes it's easier to let the social media rhetoric run over us. But anything positive we can bring into Strymon, I think, would help a lot.

And the reason I say that, my family went over to China and we adopted a little girl. And my wife uploaded a video. Before we knew it, we had four million views on this YouTube video. It was just a memory that we were, but four million people is a lot of people. And in the midst of that, I was just like, wow, that's impact. Social media does make it easy to deliver a message at mass. And so if we can control the narrative that these are cool things happening, at least we're framing the city in a way that's good. And then in that video of us adopting people, there were comments that you would never believe how hateful and rude. So there will always be that.

You can almost smell the cheater dust through there.

It's hard to not look at the negative and you can't.

There's good.

If you look at Facebook, there's 20 crappy comments and one finally somebody goes, yeah, I don't know if I believe that, but that's one out of hundreds.

But what if we could start some sort of a campaign that is you know, you look at like the ALS or whatever it was when the ice bucket challenge did, right? Things that spread, that spread goodness and connection inside of the city. I think we can do something there.

Well, the goodness and then I think the openness about where, you know, where our deficiencies are and then we're trying, we're trying our best to fix those, you know, to streamline. I think the, I think the more that we earn back the, the trust, whether it's an actual or perceived or whatever it is. I think the rest of that comes along with it.

So we've only got four more minutes, so. What if it was a campaign, a share the good campaign? Share something good that you saw another resident do of Tremont's. And just share it online, an invitation. What if 50 people take it upon themselves to actually share it and hashtag the campaign that we do in it? I think it has potential to really take off.

Can you scroll down to the desired outcomes there? So in these desired outcomes, that would be one of those. Desired outcome is a highlight the goods, some kind of campaign for that, right? We've got build connections. Growth guided by a current adopted comprehensive plan. Okay, I think if we have a really good plan in place, that would really help. They're really working on that. Yeah, they are. But that would really help the city, right? High dignity, we're working on the dignity index and treating each other with dignity. A modern actively administered city website. Have we received the wellness survey results?

No. So it ended a couple months ago, but they have to compile every community in the state. And then after that, so they said in August is when we see it.

I am so excited to see that because I think it can guide this pillar a lot. Because it's the questions that give us the guidance. A lot of them, yes.

A lot of them. So is there anything else that you would add to these desired outcomes so that we can put this all together and then come back and come up with some good outcomes and then we can present these to the staff? And, you know, for example, with that comprehensive plan, well, there's quite a few departments that that will affect.

It will, and they are working on it. I think Christine and Jeremy are hitting this straightforward. They're working on it. I am excited for the new website to come out. Right now, to find even a public notice, there's a series of clicks you need to go through, but you have to know where the clicks are or you're not going to get there.

And I get that in my... Is that going to be on the new website? Yes. Okay.

You know, if we could just get out, the more transparent we are, the desired outcomes are going to be better. I do like the positive thing. Look at the positive.

All right, let's build these into this, and then we'll get together. The next one is... really where we're going to talk a lot about public safety, a lot of those things becoming good neighbors. So try to have yourselves ready to talk about that on the 16th.

Yeah, why don't you give us a thought.

And we'll go ahead and adjourn until 7.

People just leave this here, it's just our panel. we don't know what you're talking about I don't know what you're talking about I don't know Oh, my gosh. Hi. How are you? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Yeah.

I don't know.

Good. There's some seating here up front and there's four or five of them up here.

We'll go ahead and start our Tremonton City Council meeting. We would like to welcome everyone out tonight. You can read our names up on the dais here. And I'm not going to go through at the time to introduce everyone. So we'd like to welcome everyone here tonight. And this is going to be our last night for the summer of having the kids here to receive these awards. We're really proud of these kids. you guys are all excited that school's out for summer right yeah okay we'll start out with a roll call um we'll now do roll for the june second meeting council member westerberg thank you we will start out by having an invocation by council person polka and then i've asked um raiden fans to lead us in the pledge of allegiance and so we'll go to that point our father in heaven we're grateful for thee we're grateful for this building that

we have to meet in as a city council. We're grateful for these beautiful students and their families that are here with us today. Please guide us and direct us in the decisions that we make, that we will make the right decisions and be able to help our citizens. Please guide our community into a positive direction. Help everyone look for the good in others and in everyone else. Please help us to reach out to our neighbors and be mindful of their needs. And as we travel home, please travel home in safety. And we seek these things in the name of Jesus Christ.

Amen. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

you great that took a lot of guts good job okay uh i would entertain a motion to approve our agenda for this evening i'll make a motion okay for the agenda i seconded a motion by council person lewis and a second by council person bogan all those in favor say yes yes any opposed say no okay we'll move forward Do we have a declaration of conflict of interest on any of our subjects on the city council meeting tonight? Hearing none, we'll move forward. Okay, one of the best times of the evening. This is the presentation of our awards for these young kids and your great examples that you are in your schools. And so we're going to take a minute. We'll have Councilperson Jacks or Councilman Jacks stand up and he will read the names. We'll have you come up here. Give me a high five when you go by. Principals, we'd like you to come up here in the front with us. And we'd like all the kids to stay up front here with us so we can get a picture when we're done. The one thing we ask is that when you're holding your certificate up and you're having the picture, turn it around so that it shows the Tremont City. We do not want to see your name on the pictures, okay? We don't want to be putting that out on social media, and so we want to protect your identities, okay? So let's go ahead and do that. Okay.

And as we do this, and I had kind of unique experience a couple weeks ago in Washington, D.C., and I was at the White House and met the director of the Secret Service. And I was like, man, I'd love to get my picture taken with you. And he's like, okay, that'd be great. So my wife's standing there, and I go to take it off, and he goes, be doing that and I said well probably not but I'm not going to get my picture taken with the Secret Service director where I'm at so I take it off one of his I can't remember if my wife held it or if one of his one of his his guys held it but we take the picture and then I go to put it back on and he steps out and he's like nobody touch him until that's back on and I was like so this is what it's like to be the president so First, and I really, really think that I can pronounce these right. If I don't, please correct me. Okay? So if I say a name and I mispronounce it, somebody, family, whatever, correct it because I want to actually read it as it's pronounced. Okay? Deal? Okay. Eli first.

Seven.

Aspen Reeder. Hazel Gingell. Pinkley Watcott. Maddox Hall.

Monty Smith. Easton Pearson.

Mylon Guevara. James Winfrey. Mackenzie Bradford. Emory West.

Cicely Smith.

And Dax and Benz.

So they got a nice $10 gift certificate and a sweet score. And parents, it's for the kids. Give us a chance. We're going to walk up behind here, and we're going to take a picture, and then we'll stay up there so everyone can come to the middle and get a picture if you'd like them, okay?

Oh, got it here.

You can all see me. Ready? One, two, three.

Okay, let's bring them on up.

Thank you. Thanks. Congratulations.

I hope you kids have a great summer.

And you're welcome to stay or you're welcome to go. Thank you, thank you for coming. Now we're gonna have a year of service award by the fire department.

Chief, are you out there? Come on down. We're going to honor Zach Olds. Zach, come on up.

Sorry, I had to make my way through the crowd. It's cool to see some good kids. So Zach Coles has been with us for five years. So if you could turn that way so everyone can see.

So we have a little bit to say about Zach.

So just a little bit about Zach and his history. He is a Battalion Chief at Hill Air Force Base Emergency and Fire Services since 2015. So Zach's been around the fire service for a while. His firefighting career began in 2009, just after high school, when he graduated from Missouri, when he enlisted in the U.S. Air Force as a fire protection apprentice. And so he served hourly from 2009 to 2015, including a deployment with the 379th Expeditionary Civil Engineer Squad before transitioning to his current role at Hitler Force Base. Personally, he's been married to his wife. Serena for 15 years and they relocated to Tremontville shortly after the birth of his daughter Kinsley in 2017. And they welcomed their son Easton in 2020 and then shortly after of this and in 2021, he began working for Tremont City Fire Department. He's proud to raise his family here in this community while continuing to serve in public safety and emergency services as a leader. And so Zach has been pretty awesome with helping us with a lot of things here in Tremont. In this next one, we asked him, what has been his favorite part of working for Tremont City. And this is a really, really awesome one that you guys recently found out about a few weeks ago. He says he's had the opportunity to spend time with Tremont Fire Department building the Hazmat Hazardous Materials Program. Says I secured more than 120,000 in grants for equipment and upgrades and training while also being an active member of the Northern Utah Region One Hazmat Task Force. So that task force is pretty much the northern half of Utah. I think it goes down to Salt Lake, is that correct? Davis, Weber, Fox Elder, Cash, Rich, Morgan. I was part of that task force as well I still am I guess but I joined when I was with Weaver and that's where I first met Zach was at some training so I've known Zach for quite a while now he's been heavily involved in hazmat where you guys will recently witness some of his handy work was he says the culmination of that work was authorizing the western liberty whose hazmat agreement zach wrote the initial agreement on that um i asked him if he could do that he drafted that up and then we put it through the process to what it was and what we have now today and so we're starting to find a place back um which was later approved uh by the council for an additional ten thousand dollars uh for supplies and equipment seeing the program grow from its post 9-1-1 team into a fully supported regional capacity has been one of the most rewarding projects of his career and so zach has been awesome with helping us and we're setting up the training portion of that that agreement right now so we'll be getting that training going this summer with them And then, kind of a funny side note, he was asked what's his favorite quote, and he says, you can't be mad at someone if you never took the time to show them how to do it properly. I like that. That's awesome. And what have you gained, what has Zach gained from working here at Tremont City? He says, part of the reason I started working for Tremont City was that Hill Air Force Base was beginning a transport ambulance service. I was a captain and had never worked on an ambulance. So I saw the opportunity to learn and serve in the community I lived in. I got a crash course in ambulance operations by starting during the height of COVID and the pandemic. Between responding to 911 calls and inter-facility transports, I learned how challenging ambulance work can be. my approach to patient care changed drastically because I was working in an environment that required getting to know my patient beyond the initial 10 minutes of being on scene with the patient. And so Zach, thank you for your service here at Fremont.

Thank you. Thank you, Zach. Thank you, Gina. Great. Okay. Now is the citizen engagement portion of our meeting. Residents may address the council on any item tonight because we do not have any business. So rules for engagement. We use what we call the dignity standard, the way we treat each other. So hard conversations require the honest truth and a respectful talk. We're committed to fixing the problems without making it personal. Let's keep this conversation productive so we can get back to the work of building a better true mindset. Speakers who, I don't know, do we have one? Okay, we have a registered speaker, and then anyone after Chris Campbell speaks, then they're welcome to come up. You get three minutes, and just remember that we cannot make decisions or anything up here. We're here to listen. Please don't think, because we're not responding back, we're ignoring you.

but we are listening. Thank you. The time is ours. Yeah, thank you so much for the opportunity to speak briefly.

My name is Chris Campbell, and I'm here today as a neighbor witness and someone who still feels the weight of two tragedies in our neighborhood, the deaths of our officers last year and the deaths of the young boy in your neighborhood. On September 21st, 2025, while we were still grieving loss of our heroes, and I view them as our neighborhood heroes, When the ambulance arrived at my neighbor's home, because of the recent trauma, I had made it a point to be more present for my neighbors. So I ran over to help. I believe the mother was having a medical emergency. She had a few before, but what I found was much worse. And the children were taken out of the home and placed in a car. I saw that they were alone. And I went to the car and held them as they were crying, talking about their brother. When the EMTs carried the boy out, it was clear his life was slipping away, and later at the hospital, we learned the truth and the boy was gone. On May 8th, 2026, the community learned that the parents had been arrested and accused of horrific crimes, including child abuse, homicide, and child torture. The details reported publicly were disturbing. They described acts no child should ever endure. Then just days later, on May 13th, we learned that both individuals had been released back into the public as they should have. It has now been more than three weeks since the arrest, and I've learned a few additional details that suggest there may be conflicting information surrounding the child abuse homicide accusation. So I have several questions. Number one, why was there communication failure between the Tremont and Garland police department and county attorney's office? Two, why have no charges been filed yet, and if the evidence is insufficient, why hasn't a public statement been released? Three, if there truly is insufficient evidence, and why are their children still separated from them? And then four, ultimately, when will a decision be made? And my assessment is this, and I can't pinpoint anyone because I don't know who's really at fault for this whole situation, but my assessment is that to moral failure. Either way, the community deserves better, the boys deserve better, and the parents deserve respect for the justice system that protects their rights, protects their standing in the community, and protects their children. In short, great leaders take responsibility, great leaders solve problems, great leaders communicate. What I'm asking for is simple, mercy for our neighborhood, safety for our children, expediency in the investigative and legal process, accountability from those entrusted with protecting us and our neighborhood has endured too much and we would like that peace and safety thank you

You can tell I've been here for a little while, not going back down. I will be in a few minutes. My name's Chris Danvers. Before I touch any of this, and I've got a lot, you guys had a great workshop. I'd just like to invite the gentleman who just spoke and let him know that we have an emotional wellness committee. I think his concerns align exactly with that. I would invite you to come to our next meeting.

It is put out on Facebook when those meetings are.

And if you don't know, or if you'd like to ask me later, I'll share with you when that time is. I'll try and get through this really quick. Ideas from the workshop, have you guys ever considered having a safe fleet mechanic versus outsourcing maintenance somebody could possibly do a lot of preventive maintenance on the vehicles and save some money for the city i don't know if that would be saving money or just adding another cost as far as ambulance delivery uh maybe you guys before you sign that contract put a pause in it for any kind of penalty rebate if it's not delivered on time That way you get insured, either save some money, as I've said this in the past, reach out, get volunteers from the community. I know this used to be a follow-up more people coming for anything that includes man-hours should include the loading cost as opposed to just the hourly cost because the city's also paying for benefits those all of those should be included I got a lot of other stuff, but I'll save it or maybe put it into an email. You guys are doing great, and I think you should keep it up. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Any other comments?

And my name is Val Burton. I'm a little concerned about what I'm hearing being proposed for a home in our community. I believe it's on the northwest corner of 7th North and 2nd East. Most of you are familiar with what happened there. But I'm hearing about a group home moving in there that to me doesn't seem appropriate. for that location. I realize they need it, but to be that close to a school doesn't seem appropriate. Now, a little over a week ago, I witnessed something there. I heard disturbing things about it, what was going to go on there. But a week ago, I witnessed one of them. I was at a home. Next door to where Becky Roach lives, on that corner, a fellow came around the corner and was attempting to go in her backyard, and she was out of town on vacation. Donna Andrews saw it, recognized the man, walked over and said, you can't go in there. He kept trying to go in. She went over and made sure he understood he's not welcome to enter there, and for fear of having the dog get out, and they're getting rounded up. Well, a couple of minutes later, it wasn't even that, she went through the yard because she says he's going to try to enter in the other gate on the other side of the house, which he did, which she got there in time to lock it first. I've understood that this is not uncharacteristic for one of these boys that live there. Becky had been told that they may enter her home at any time and take something out of the fridge, but they will bring it back. To me, if that happened at my house, when he went home, he would be escorted by a policeman. I don't think that kind of thing is appropriate, and I can't understand why that would be something that this proprietor, what she's doing there, why that would be something that would be allowed. Anyway, I don't think it's appropriate for that community. It's right next to a church, or a school, and all the little kids are walking past there. I'm not going to be here. I guess it's on your jet in two weeks I'm gonna be out of town. So it was suggested if I had anything I wanted to add to it to come tonight We just hope that there's something that can be done To provide safeguards if not actually not have that happen in our community Thanks, thank you

Nothing from the back row? Doing a great job. Okay. That's my family back there. Okay. Well, with no other citizens here to speak, we'll go ahead and close that portion of our agenda. Don't know that we have any unfinished items from City Council workshop.

It was there anything I Didn't have one one thing that I didn't get in in time and it's more of a notification is that Officer Nick Nesson the police department was awarded the, he's one of our SROs at the middle school, and he was given the teacher of the, or the employee of the month or quarter or year or whatever it was, but wanted to make sure that Nick got recognized for the solid work that he's doing at the middle school. So I just wanted to make sure that got, that got a year.

Thank you. That's good information. company interested in the billboard I'm working with the head of marketing of that company I'm negotiating terms and right now they're just investigating exactly where it's at you know and what they're willing to do so we should hear back on that soon so I apologize it's taking some time but that's where it's at you're busy all the free time anything else

I think Jeff's just sending these guys out with the siren on this bit.

They're just going around the block. Yeah, I work on that emotional guilt here on the stand. Well, we appreciate our safety personnel for sure. Okay, next we will entertain a motion on the consent agenda. Any council member may request an item be removed from the, for a separate discussion if you wish. We're going to approve the minutes from May 19th, 2026. Approval of resolution number 2629, amending the fees and fines. approval of the resolution number 2630 compensation and classification plan approval of the resolution number 2631 clarification of water rights approval of the resolution number 2632 the mou with the box elder school district for sros and the approval of the resolution number 2633 interlocal agreement with garden for court services and then the denial of the fisher annexation and i believe the one that we're talking about is the the compensation and classification or is that the many pieces okay so uh if you wanted to amend that one it would be uh resolution number 26 29. because we need to remove it in order to amend it right no no just

on the fees on the building fee the business license fees are we now charging for rentals no we're still working with zions to get that stuff okay okay business license fee study also in conjunction with that so we should have updated so that's not being included tonight okay we're working on it i know it'll take a minute but yeah we'll bring those to you as soon as we've got them through

I will make a motion to approve the consent agenda with the, with the amendment that, okay, what was the other one, I wanna say this. Resolution 2629. Resolution 2629. 2629. Removing the dollar.

Removing the $1 waste water.

It's your increase at the moment and just going with the $5 water. Culinary water. Culinary water increase.

Great. Okay, that sounds smart. We have a motion by Councilman Jackson and a second by Councilman Westergaard. We'll have a roll call.

Councilmember Jackson. Yes. Councilmember Boca.

Yes.

Councilmember Westergaard. Yes. Councilmember Lewis. Yes.

Okay, thank you. Well, reports and calendar. Let's go ahead and do we have any Cedar City leadership that has anything? Lindsay, do you have anything?

I'm just going to say I've been working on finishing up grants. that I'm trying to figure out. There are ones that, like, Sean got three, four years ago that I'm trying to figure out and get closed up. So I did get the ARCOG one for Midland Squares closed. That was the one that they only gave us 90% upfront. So if you can get the other 40 grand, they owe us for the other 10%. So we got that.

We got a tourism grant that I finished up.

And then we have a water grant that I'm working on getting finished up. It was for the two equalization basins and the ASR project.

so figuring those out and how to do grants which i've not done in the long run from the past so that's how you learn mm-hmm yeah you'll do it so yeah good glad to have you aboard i had one uh chief cordova step uh uh monette swanson had a a uh benefit walk that she she organized in in police memory and so uh chief cordova went to that but He has to pass along a grant that he's working on. It's a $400,000 grant that he's working directly with the Department of Justice in the cop's office. It would fund a detective for two and a half years. After that, we would have to agree to keep them on. This particular one is built around a major investigation unit, which is the one we talked about in the work meeting about if one of the ambulances would be a good forensic unit or anything like that. And he has already received letters of support from the Box Hill County Sheriff, the Chief of Parity, and the Chief of Marines. and should have more details on by the time we meet again in two weeks. But it's a grant that he's obtained before and so he's pretty familiar with the people that he's working with at DOJ to obtain it.

Great. Anything else? Okay, let's look at our event calendar events. So we have our summer concert, Schumann Park, from 6 to 8. The Relics are singing. And any of these things that we can support as a city, I think what we did at the Library Park went a long ways to show how we work so great together as a council and as a city. And so the more that we can support, the better. I think that's important. Yeah. Mugs and bananas, drag night. I'm excited for that. So, um, let's make sure everyone knows about that. It's, it's a really funny event where, um, a bunch of old hot rod cars go up and down main street. And then right over here, they have a section that they put aside that they can do peel outs. And it is pretty cool. There'd be times there'd be so much smoke. You won't see the car or anything. It's just, it's fascinating to watch. And then at Midland Square, there will be someone playing a concert for us. So that should be a good time. Who? Opie's alumni band. Oh, Opie, okay. Greg Horsfall. And if you haven't heard him play. He's a good drummer, isn't he? He can drum. Oh, cool. And then the summer concert from 6 to 8 on June 27th at Schumann Park. Opie's alumni band. Is he also playing the Bugs and Bananas? Oh, there's a band that night, too. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, they'll be in the Midland. Okay. And then the Farmer's Market that is hosted by a business in town. The first Saturday of each month at Schumann Park from 10 to 2 during May and September. And then on here we have an outdoor adventure challenge that's put on by our rec department. Let's get our kids out. I don't know how many people saw my newsletter, but I did put in my newsletter a little blurb about how we lost the internet in our neighborhood. And I said to my wife, what do we do now? I was lost. We went out and went for a ride and went out to dinner. And I think a lot of people from our neighborhood got out and went for walks. So we need to get outdoors and do a little bit more, and I kind of encouraged that in that newsletter. Anything else? Well then, we need to go into a closed session to discuss some property. And so I will entertain a motion. When we go into closed session, that means everyone gets to leave and we thank you for coming and supporting our meeting tonight. I'll entertain a motion.

I'll make that motion.

Okay, we have a motion to go into closed session by Councilman Jackson. Do we have a second? The second by Council Member Lewis. All those in favor? No, a roll call.

Council Member Jets? Yes. Council Member Boga? Yes. Council Member Westergaard? Yes. Council Member Lewis?

Yes. Okay. Thank you for attending. Thanks, Chris.

Bye, Cheryl.

So that's my sign. Moving on. Yeah, and then my