Safety Administration - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for telling us that. Thank you.

Call you out of order.

I didn't know. I look at my agenda. I look at all of that. I mean, there's some things I don't know in depth. Okay. I'm holding you accountable. What the hell is this? I call to order the Civic Engagement Toledo Community and Administrative Services Committee, thank you, to order. Clerk, please call the roll.

McPherson. Here. Gattis. Here. Jones. Here. Kramer. Here. Williams. Here. All present.

Thank you. Mary, could you tone us down? Please. Thank you. We have before us.

um thank you i went brain dead sorry miss maloney um the floor is yours okay thank you very much for having me um chief whitman would have been here but she had to go home sick and so it's you get me today um let's see okay my name is karen maloney i'm the commissioner of civic engagement in the office of community services so the office of community services focuses on the human infrastructure of the city and supports the city's community impact work to strengthen resident engagement improve service delivery expand access to opportunity and enhance neighborhood outcomes strategic plan priority would be to build safe vibrant and connected neighborhoods

And it's a privilege to be here today.

So just a brief overview of Toledo's boards, the city of Toledo's boards and commissions. There are currently, according to the BGSU CRD analysis on the public engagement for Toledo's boards and commissions, there are 26 active commissions with the city. Currently, members are appointed by the mayor, confirmed by council. And boards and commissions serve as the primary mechanism for resident civic engagement with the city of Toledo. There's over 20 inactive boards right now. After questions arose about the role specifically of the Human Relations Commission and other commissions with similar missions, an RFP was created and Bowling Green State University Center for Regional Design was chosen to conduct an analysis on how the city engages with community through its boards and commissions. The analysis took place from August of 2025 through the end of the year. the primary objectives of this analysis were to assess strategies for community engagement utilized by the city evaluate the effectiveness and participation levels of the city's boards and commissions identify barriers to engage and participate engagement barriers to engagement and participation within these structures and provide recommendations I do have a couple copies hard copies of that report if anyone wants that I know most of you have at least an electronic copy if you don't I'd be more than happy to send that to you as well So included in the analysis were interviews with city liaisons. City liaisons were city of Toledo staff that manage a certain board at the time of the study, of the analysis. There was also interviews with commission and board chairs, and there were 484 responses to a citywide survey, and then comparative best practice review. So some of the findings that I will highlight today, public awareness about the role of boards and commissions and their work is low. uh... only twelve point eight percent uh... were satisfied with uh... the board the work of city of toledo boards and commissions and only eight percent know how to apply and serve on these boards so most residents don't know how to engage with these board with these bodies there's also a significant participant participation gap uh... when asked when the when asked have you ever participated in a city of toledo board or commission the respondents Only less than 7% said regularly, of the respondents said regularly. 27, so about a quarter said once or twice. But about 50% of the respondents said they want to participate. So while nearly half of the residents who took the survey are open to participating, they don't. so 63 of those that responded to the survey reported moderate or higher trust or higher trust in the work of city of toledo commissions and boards but but 97 uh said the effectiveness of these boards were fairer or worse so they see potential for these bodies but they don't see impact Many of the barriers identified when it comes to engaging with the city of Toledo via these bodies were 72% didn't know how to apply. There was a lack of, they identified a lack of information, a lack of time in order to serve, feeling unqualified to serve on these bodies, and then the feeling that their voice wouldn't matter. So overall, what was concluded is that awareness is low when it comes to our boards and commissions. The impact of our boards and commissions is unclear. Those bodies that are meant for engagement is unclear. Recruitment is often done word of mouth, and communication between the community and our boards and commissions is siloed. I would also argue that communication between our boards and commissions is siloed as well. So like I identified, residents do want to serve. 62% of respondents are currently interested or might consider serving on a board or commission. 70% say diverse representation on City of Toledo boards and commissions is very important. And 73% say investment in commissions is important, of those that responded to the survey. So the desire for civic engagement exists within our community. So when asked what's important to them, residents want to prioritize when it comes to the work of boards and commissions, housing and neighborhood development, public safety and justice, economic development and youth programming. Engagement must align with both the city of Toledo priorities as well as the lived priorities of our residents. So without reform, what we're gonna see is continued vacancies on our boards and commissions. We're gonna see continued quorum failures, declining trust in these bodies. We're gonna continue to see parallel systems doing duplicative work, and we're gonna have missed opportunity for civic renewal. So I'm here today to talk about an evolution of civic engagement for the city of Toledo. So engagement must evolve and shift from passive appointment systems, informal recruitment, meeting-based engagement towards transparent pathways to service, centralized volunteer management, digital visibility, and community building frameworks. So with this, the Office of Community Services has four strategic recommendations. is a centralized civic engagement for boards and commissions. So this would mean an application portal for boards and commissions that the public can utilize, transparent vacancies that are updated regularly to reflect what's available, clear onboarding, and standardized trainings. Number two, we need to modernize our communication when it comes to our boards and commissions. I would recommend a public dashboard of boards and commissions, social media integration for boards used as engagement mechanisms, hybrid meeting structures, and digital newsletters. We also need to address our inactive boards. There's a number of boards that need to be, and the word I'm using is sunsetting. I'm trying to figure out what word we're using exactly, but elimination, we'll use sunset. I'm currently working with the law department, taking a look at chapter 141 of the Toledo Municipal Code, which is the boards and commissions chapter. I will be coming in front of you probably closer to the mid-year adjustments for a code change, a code addition, an addition to that code. Right now, I think what would make sense for the system that I would like to set up and for what works for the city would be to add to that chapter an annual review of boards and commissions, which then would come in front of council with recommendations for sunsetting a board or commission. And so, again, I will be coming in front of you for some potential additions to that code at mid-year. If that's the route that we all choose to go, then I believe that that annual review would probably coincide with the end of the year budget discussions, and then recommendations to be on the agenda for approval at the beginning of the year. Consolidating duplicative missions within boards and commissions, and then aligning missions and goals to city strategic priorities. Number four, create a clear pathway for residents to civically engage. We already have a very robust ambassadors program. The city of Toledo has utilized interns before. It is something that I know that the Office of Community Services is working on currently as well. Boards and commissions, specifically when it comes to the Human Relations Commission, and then a city of Toledo volunteer program, which I'm CURRENTLY CALLING SERVE TOLEDO OR SERVE TUL. THAT IS NOT SET IN STONE. IF ANYONE IS CREATIVE AND HAS A BETTER NAME FOR A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM LET ME KNOW BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M CALLING IT RIGHT NOW. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. SO HOW DOES THIS LOOK? SO IN PLANNING FOR MODERNIZATION There would be a restructure and an absorbing of boards and commissions with duplicate admissions underneath the Human Relations Commission. And I'm going to show you a structure where I think that that would work. There would also be a development of a city of Toledo volunteer program and then code changes for boards and commissions with a comprehensive annual review and elimination criteria. So this currently is the structure of what I would recommend for an evolution of the Human Relations Commission. And of course, this is also going to come with some code changes that I'm anticipating would come before you, again, closer to the mid-year. But this structure, we believe, would make the Human Relations Commission the most effective I think it ever has been. And it would bring it to the neighborhood level. And it includes what I'm calling district connectors and then community connectors. The district connectors serve as representatives of their districts, so districts one through six. And they would serve as the connection for the city to the district neighborhood groups, nonprofits, any ongoings of that specific district. Then there are community connectors. So this is where I believe the, where we could take commissions with duplicative missions and bring them under an umbrella to be managed centrally. And that is through these community connectors. So currently what I would propose is four community connectors, LGBTQIA plus connector group, a Latino affairs connector group, a gender equity connector group, and a new American connector group. These, and I'm saying group, but again, they could be connector commissions, if that's what we want to call them. Some of these details have not been worked out. they they're the charge of these connectors would be time limited and goal driven in alignment with city priorities and i think that this allows for because one thing that we were we were seeing is that a commission would be set up and it would exist until it was defunct or dormant and there would be no real end game to that commission but what i think that we could do is is set up Connector committees groups whatever commissions with among with it under this umbrella that would Have a time limit to it this this specific committee this connector group is going to be in existence for two years It's gonna the goal of this connector group is going to be accomplished these three goals in alignment with the city's priorities And that would then allow for this to be more of a living body. And it would also allow for committees and groups to come and go as needed. at the end of the time frame that this group is in existence, this connector group is in existence, and the goals have been accomplished, there would be a report to city council and to the administration. And then those who are leading that group would then not go away necessarily, because what I'm proposing is then a robust volunteer pool that we would be able to pull from as needed. And so the people in that specific connector group would then go back to that volunteer pool become, you know, be volunteers, be ambassadors for the city of Toledo, and then if we need to call upon them again and they're willing to step up, lead another group maybe down the line for us. This would also allow for groups to be created under the HRC's umbrella. So if there's a specific topic that has come up that you are hearing from your constituents that really needs to be looked at and we think that it's something that Our community could do or wants to do. We could create that connector group among underneath the Human Relations Commission and create have that be. You know, created time limited goal driven and then. do the report and whatever we need them to do. And it just makes it more of a living, breathing body. So this is my proposal for the Human Relations Commission. Obviously, like I said, it's going to come with some code changes and some more discussion. But I do think that this could be a really effective body. And it would allow for a central management of these kinds of groups to be more efficient and to have them speaking to each other, talking to one another, and have it be more streamlined. Along with an evolved human relations commission, I would also propose that there would be standardized trainings for boards and commissions, so a standardized onboarding. And those trainings would include onboarding, legal requirements, expectations. Those trainings would include things like the city of Toledo's budget and what that means. The legal requirements, so Sunshine Law and Robert's Rules of Order, so just the standardized training for anyone who's going to be serving on a board or commission. There would be mission alignment and strategic plans for individual commissions as needed and boards as needed. Standardized meeting requirements, so agenda and minutes templates for boards and commissions to utilize, reporting requirements via a portal, and then a toolkit for chairs. How do you lead a commission? How do you lead a board? How do you lead a committee? And then resources for them. And then standardized recruitment and appointments for boards and commissions. So pivoting then to that third, I think it was the second bullet point about the City of Toledo Volunteer Program, serve Toledo would serve as a volunteer pool is what I kind of imagine it to be and this volunteer pool would include people who would be willing wanting to civically engage with the city via a volunteer role for anything for everything from community events to a youth component eventually once this program is rolled out, I could see us adding a skills-based component to it. Maybe even something at the neighborhood level. And then maybe even bringing in volunteers as needed on the administrative level. so we like i mentioned we have a number of ambassadors that i think that we could already tap into to be trained as a city of toledo volunteer and then to offer opportunities for them to engage civically with the city we also have about 200 current and former volunteers that already exist that we could also tap into and have them become official volunteers for the city of Toledo. And then it would also take a robust recruitment strategy for new volunteers. And that would include anytime the city's in front of the community, there would be an opportunity to recruit new volunteers. So it would go from recruitment to standardized training to activation and then of course, we would need to acknowledge those volunteers, we would need to celebrate them. And so that would be a part of the process as well. I have provided for you the timeline of the development of this program. Currently, you'll see that I'm in the purple, where I've been working with marketing and HR and law to figure out. There's obviously, when it comes to working with volunteers, risk and liability that needs to be worked out. And then HR, as far as we need to make sure that our volunteers are not stepping on positions that are part of a union. And so those are all things that I'm currently working on. And then marketing is going to play a huge role with this as well when it comes to the recruitment of new volunteers. And then the next step is to tap into the volunteers that we already have via our ambassadors and the 200 that we already use at this point, or that's engaged with us at this point. My goal for the Serve Toledo volunteer program is to do a soft launch in October with our Pumpkinpalooza. There is also the, forgive me, the The name is escaping me, but there's another event that I want to soft launch in October as well. So that's my goal for the program. And then the thought would be if that goes successful, if that is successful, then we could hard launch, if that's the word, this in 2027, beginning in 2027. And with that, that is my, that is what the Office of Community Services is proposing for, you know, the evolution of civic engagement when it comes to our boards and commissions and then a new, brand new volunteer program. So I'm more than happy to take your questions, comments. If you have ideas, I'm always open for discussion. So thank you. Thank you for that.

robust report um i'll save my questions for last council member gaddis thanks chair uh this is very cool and innovative and you're putting a lot of work into that so thank you i think it has a lot of potential um i do have some questions first of all i think the dashboard is necessary i I look at a lot of other cities and all their other commissions and boards list their notes, their active notes. So even if you can't make a meeting, you know what's going on. And I couldn't tell you which ones are inactive in our city because there's no notes anywhere. There's no way to follow the trail to know theirs. So I understand why our citizens say they don't know about them. So I think a dashboard is necessary. I love how thorough you thought things out. I did have a question on the setup. You had the district connectors and the community connectors. The district connectors, you said, serving to the district neighborhoods, will those ambassadors be fed from Jenny's program, the ambassador program?

Yes, and thank you. That would be a requirement. In order to be a mayor-appointed Human Relations Commission connector would be to have gone through the ambassador's program. Okay.

And then the community connectors. So, and maybe I don't understand, we're gonna take all of the active boards, do away with them, and reform them under? Okay.

No, no, only the ones, and thank you, I should have been more, only the ones with duplicative missions. So the ones that we've identified would be Latino Affairs currently and Gender Equity currently that exist. And then I know that there was discussion of an LGBTQA plus commission, so we would absorb that into the human relations commission. So commissions that would have missions that align with the human relations commission.

So more humanities, whereas the science, the tree people, the sustainability, they're gonna be outside of this. Exactly.

The boards of control, those would not be a part of the Human Relations Commission.

Okay, thank you, that helps me understand it. With the changes that are being made, and I know that I may have mentioned about the LGBT, thank you for including that, but I'd love to see something that, and maybe it's a duplicate for the county, I'm not sure, but with accessibility now that the disabled community is under attack, I think that that might be something that's important in this. And then I love the idea for a toolkit for chairs and boards 101. I had done volunteer work for Epic Toledo, and I don't know if that's a good partnership for you, but they have training and they have everything. They actually offer it twice a year. So that might be a really good partnership there. I would definitely look at it. I don't know who's leading it currently, but I think they would be a good resource. So thank you for this. I'm super excited. I think this is going to be really good. Thanks, Chair. Thank you for that.

Councilwoman Kramer. Thank you, chair.

And thank you so much for this report. I think this is really fantastic and a great way to get citizens involved. I also love the training component. I was on a county board. I was on the Citizens Lovey Review Committee. I was appointed and then I just sat down and they expected me to know everything what to do and I had no idea what I was doing so it was a learn as you go situation so I think that is great the training is really great in terms of the cost of rolling something like this out do you know what the cost will be and then do you also is that already in the budget like talk to me about the budget

So as far as, so that's a great question. I have not looked at specific costs for a volunteer program. And I really think the big cost of a volunteer program is going to be that risk management. There might be an insurance, I'm currently working with the law department on an insurance piece to see if that's the route that we need to go in order to make sure our volunteers are protected and safe. And so that would be a big cost. I don't anticipate that that would be more than a couple thousand dollars. Then I think the next piece would be recognition of our volunteers. So I would ideally like to see some kind of banquet at the end of the year where we recognize the people who put in the most hours and things like that. So I think that that would be another cost to this program. And then with the volunteer program, there would also be a cost to an online management portal, and that would be about $3,500 as well. So I anticipate that any that comes with this volunteer program in particular will be less than $10,000, not a whole lot to begin with. When it comes to boards and commissions, I believe that the main cost would be my time, obviously, but then also printing of material and things like that. I don't anticipate a large price tag to it.

yeah okay very cool um i think my last question is in terms of recruitment of volunteers is there a target kind of demographic because i can definitely see so my mom is retired and older and i'm immediately i was like oh she would love this and her friends will love it but i also feel like it's important to have a diversity of

um people that are uh in this so how do we get the word out to the right folks that's a great question and that's something that i need to work with marketing on and that's what i want to do i want to make sure that we're hitting every corner of our city because people want to serve and there's different ways if you look on a slide the slide about the diverse volunteer pool there's different ways that people can engage with the city if they aren't able to do a community cleanup for example there might be an administrative role for them so i think it's gonna be really important to make sure that our recruitment is diverse and that everyone feels like they can be a part of it. What I anticipate is that when we, so the recruitment would be a strategy, obviously, and then what would happen is that the different divisions would come to me and they would say, I have this thing that I need help with, I don't have the person power, would a volunteer be able to do that? And then I would work with HR to develop some kind of, it's probably would look like, it would look like a job description. And then with the management portal that I've been looking for, looking at, I would be able to take our volunteers and check all the things we're looking for and get the eight that fit that criteria um and then send them the service opportunity and see if they would like to do it um or with this management portal as well you could just create an event you know we have pumpkin palooza we have a we have the um you know an event coming up um and we need people to do take down and set up and take down You create the event and open it up to all of your volunteers and see who is available that day and wants to come. So there's a way for us to be very strategic about who's being asked to serve in certain roles and why, especially because we're going to want to be, and there's going to be a background check component to it, especially if they're working with small children and things like that. all of these details to be worked out but i have you know it's definitely something that can be done where your mother would be able to to serve um for the city of sledo yeah yeah okay well thank you i mean you have answers for everything so that's very well thought out so i appreciate it council member dr brittany johns obviously i'm not councilman sarantu so

Well, first of all, I'm glad that you've taken the initiative and really looking through just our records and our boards and commissions because I think that that should be applied to a lot of the departments here, especially when it comes to older material and just systems and things of that nature. So I really commend you on doing that. I did have a question regarding the actual structure. You know, when it comes to the district aspect of it, I know they have to be ambassadors, but would the prioritization say be like a president of a neighborhood group or something? Because then you would have to build that trust within that district, and if they don't know who you are, how would that... How would that work? And then the other question, as far as the community connectors, some of the I know you said time limited, but some of these goals can be very big, especially just like with gender equity and just all of the groups that are under attack right now. So how would you determine basically how long or what should be taken on as a community connector? Because I know that they revolve out, but some of these goals can be very, very big and very time consuming. And I don't know if like two, three years can really appease to it so like what are some of those metrics so those are my two questions for right now and then also a comment for the serve Toledo I was also thinking like you know partnering I don't know if you talked with United Way because they're really building their volunteer base I was also thinking of looking at the high schools especially if they have volunteer hours They could serve and that they can get their exposure to just city government as well And that would also go with college as far as those groups are concerned too and then of course We're already pushing throughout the city, but I'll just think like the other groups just like councilwoman Kramer was talking about Volunteers will attract a certain demographic and so we're trying to diversify that so kind of meet them where they're at and But those were just some of the ideas that just came to mind. Even like Epic Toledo, I know that they have like a youth component to that. Leadership Toledo. So it's a lot of different ways, especially if they have to have volunteer hours. So I think that will definitely help out

a lot and just the way that you're thinking of the outreach that's up to date with what how we would need to do it but if you can just like clarify a little bit with within the connectors portion that will help too sure um so the idea for the connectors came from a connections model um that we identified um when we were looking at the human relations commission was looking at the block watch specifically which is more to come on block watch And so the idea of the connections model is that you identify the people who are already leading. And they serve as your connectors, your energy sources that are already leading. So I can already think of like four people that I know could serve as a connector for us. representing their districts because they already run a very successful maybe neighborhood group or are very vocal um and have stepped up to represent their district or their neighborhood so that's how and and i obviously i think city council plays a big role in that too with especially with those that um represent the districts that you know who your leaders are in your your district so i think that that's how we identify who would serve in those roles. And they would, I want to tap into what Ari, I don't want to reinvent the wheel, like we need to tap into who Ari is mobilized and energetic. And those serve as our connectors.

I would even say if you can probably put a nomination component to it. because that could broaden a lot up. You know, we continuously see the same players, and I know that you had specifically specified, you know, those who are coming up. So in order to make it fair per se maybe a nominations model could work per district and then you would add the extra other components so are they you know ahead of an organization maybe that's a point and things like that so I think that will probably go around easier because you know how Toledo or you know how we are you know who are you why why are you in this position things of that nature so I think that could help a little bit with choosing who would be representation of the different districts. And then for the community connectors, how are you determining what can be done within a certain time?

So the metrics, I think that it's on a needs basis. And I think that it's, like I said, a living body that we could modify as needed. So, for example, with the Gender Equity Commission, if we give it a time frame and we get to the end of that time frame and we realize they still have a lot of work to do or there's more issues have come up, which seems to be the case nowadays, then that body lives on. It continues. Okay. and be modified as needed.

That's what I was expecting. Definitely, it's an advocacy piece too. I would also include talking to some state legislators as well. getting them involved a little, especially when it comes to legislation coming down. Yes, we have our federal, but as far as those who are more accessible, that can help garner a little bit more of these goals, because like I said, these can be very, very difficult to achieve in a certain amount of time. but leading at least getting that advocacy role and the information needed it can help clarify next steps you know when you're getting to that expiration date okay well we have this so now we can you know go on for another two years but we're just going to focus on this because maybe that legislation or something has a timeline too so just trying to make sure that you know kind of being reasonable as far as what can be accomplished and with the time that is available for them those who are serving as well so but other than that i think that this will definitely be like very helpful it i think is more engaging than how things have been because i've come across people asking how how they get on boards and things like that. And it seems more open and easier to get involved. So I'm definitely excited. You said you shared the report electronically?

If you don't have it, I can send it to you. Otherwise, I do have a hard copy as well.

Well, we were trying to save paper, so you can send it to me electronically. Okay, I will. But either way, just thank you for all the work when it comes to just what you do and human relations and things of that nature. I think that is very much an asset to the city and human relations. But other than that, I yield my time. I have to go, but thank you very much. Thank you very much.

Thank you. I have a couple of questions, and I've already filled out my referral. By referral, can I get a list of the 20 inactive boards and a list of the 26 active commissions? And what is a new American?

A new American would be our newcomers, or anyone who is a new American who has recently become an American citizen.

Literally.

Or I would even say anyone with an immigrant status would also fall under that category. okay okay we might want to turn that some i was like new american what is new america okay so specifically when i created that um specific committee or group um we the city of toledo is currently going through the well we are we are a welcoming city right through the national nonprofit welcoming america and i think a goal for that committee would be to help um with that certification process and gathering evidence and seeing that certification through so that would be already a goal for that group and representing the city of toledo on the welcome the welcome to lucas county advisory board that is housed within the lucas county public library

Okay. Okay. Makes sense. Now, I was like, new American. I was saying to myself, wasn't nobody else asking that question but me. I know.

You have a smart group up here.

The other question I had... Because we have so many different boards and thank you for doing this and you and Dr. Whitman for putting this all together. I like the Serve Toledo volunteer program because within the city, we do have a lot of events where we need volunteers and it would be great to have that pool Just like now I'm getting ready for a jazz fest. We always go out and, hey, we need volunteers. It would be great to be able to say, oh, just reach out to Maloney and she'll get you, you know, your volunteers. We've got a pool already set up. So that is, I like that. I like utilizing our ambassadors because they put so much time and going around and learning and taking the classes and then it's like, what do we do now that we graduated? I use a lot of them, but it's like, okay, where do they go from here? Utilizing them and putting them almost like in the leadership role because They have been trained and they now know the city, the departments of the city and all of that. That is excellent. Like Council Member Gaddis, I am excited about this because even though council approves a lot of the boards because the mayor gives a recommendation, I see a lot of recycling. and where they may serve on another board and now we're putting them on this board and we never hear from the boards and what they're actually doing or what they've done other than human relations board because we see them out in a lot of different events. I am excited about that because and I've shared this with a couple of the new directors and commissioners that we need to start looking at we need to go further out and looking at persons that have potential but because they don't know I asked a gentleman about being on the board and he said well how do you how do you do that good question because I didn't know I said, good question. I don't know. Let me let me check into that and see. So that is a source where we do need to have it out there. Some. On a portal somewhere. So when it comes time for these boards, oh, just go here and fill out, put your resume in, dah, dah, dah, ABC, and they'll know. I think some of us know, and those that know are the ones that's reaching out to get those persons to serve on boards. And that's why it needs to be a broader. So I'm not gonna go any further. I thank you. I'm sorry that Dr. Whitman was not able to come, but we hope that she is feeling better. And you know, if there's anything that we can do to help and a part of this is our mayor, young mayor and young council. This is a part of that also, right?

Yes. Well, and that's kind of, you kind of talk about this, I forgive me, I forget exactly what you said, but it made me think about this, these, these, the ideas that I presented to you today are opportunities for, you become a volunteer, well, then you want to become even more involved. You become a mayor appointed commission member. Well, maybe then you become an employee of the city of Toledo. It's a, it all works together. You kid mayor becomes this, becomes, and we are creating a workforce.

Exactly. And that's what I try to do with mentoring. And when you come in and shadow me and I'm trying to build a council force. So it is necessary that we do that and we have to engage our young people. And so I appreciate that part with the kids council because That last group has some great questions for council members. So we have to equip the citizens of Toledo so that they can feel a part of this because they actually are, but the disconnect. And so this is, this is the connectors. So, um, thank you for the report. Is there anybody from the audience that has a question or comment? Speak now forever. Hold your peace. anybody else from council if so we'll go call this meeting adjourned thank you thank you