Heritage and Arts Commission - Regular Meeting

This week I'm updating the project website, inviting residents to share their own stories, memories, reflections about Tiburon shoreline and our changing relationship with the Bay. You'll also see an article appearing in the Nob Hill Gazette this week featuring the project, and I'm exploring additional opportunities to share Tiburon's story through outlets such as the ARC and other community partnerships with support of the city and commission. One thing I've come to appreciate over these last six months is just how deeply people care about Tiburon, its shoreline, its history and its future. And my hope is that the artist laureate program can continue creating meaningful opportunities for people to engage with these stories through art. I'll return at the July meeting with more complete update, including a project framework, kind of a roadmap I see for this first year and opportunities for the commission to give feedback as we continue to shape it together. And thank you again for your support. And I look forward to sharing more next month because I'll have to be able to be here too. Thank you.

Thank you, Krista.

Thank you.

Do you have any public comment? Okay.

All right. Well, let's get to the chair report. I'm going to start my chair report by kind of piggybacking on Krista's public comment, because Krista and I have met and I've spoken a couple of times since our last meeting. And I encourage everybody to check out the website. And once the Nob Hill piece comes out, please share it with us, Krista, when you have a chance. Wonderful. I will say that I think it's important that we support Krista and in doing so, maybe in July, we might think about creating an ad hoc for the commission to work with her in order to try and implement and gather volunteers. I know volunteers is the topic of volunteers is on our agenda today, but I think it's important that Krista who is very busy and is contacting her wide network and really getting the word out. I think it's a really great opportunity that we don't want to miss during her tenure as the Artist Laureate to really focus on her work for the Shoreline Project, which perfectly ties in with Tiburon as a peninsula and our own needs and concerns. So I will say that I think it's important we put that on the agenda for the July meeting so we can give you as much support and kind of have it a little more concrete and structured than it has been over the last few months. Okay. Now on to other things. I will say that the installation for Word on the Street with Scott Froshour went very well, seamlessly. There were no issues. We had one person from Public Works Javier, who is amazing. And he and Scott just spent, you know, you know, one morning and an afternoon just putting the signs in. And they got a lot of attention from people who are passersby who are interested. And I encourage you all to do the walk. And we're going to talk a little bit more about Scott and the project and it's, you know, different ways that we can engage the community with the project on our agenda later today. I know that we didn't get the response we thought we might for We the People. I don't know if that's a sign of the times or whether it was just because we were a little bit late in pushing, putting that together, but we do have some pieces. And I think that's also on the agenda today for ways in which we can kind of capitalize on it over through, through the month of July. And with that let's go to the consent calendar. Yeah.

Is there a motion?

So move to adopting to accept the minutes from March 24th. For a second. I second it.

All in favor? Oh, is there a public comment on this particular item? Seeing none. All in favor?

Aye.

Oh, you're going to abstain. Oh, you weren't at the meeting. Okay, thank you.

Yeah. I wasn't at the, this is for May 26th.

March 24th.

Oh, sorry.

Okay, and now we move on to the first of our discussion items.

Yeah, go ahead.

As you can see from the agenda, this is the item that has the art attached.

Oh, there we go.

Thank you. It's like magic. Adrian Arias and I have been in contact with each other. He was supposed to come here to look at the site on Monday. However, he has been so busy with all his projects that he was not able to come. And so he's now scheduled to come on Tuesday the 7th. at noon to meet with me so if anybody else wants to come you're welcome to do so um the way that i got adrian was just happenstance i was at salt and pepper and eddie madril walked in and so we were talking about art and he said ah got the right person for you this is his work and i think it's absolutely fabulous so that's basically it he's he's set to come um in uh I guess from September, August, August. Yeah. Yeah. So it was amazing.

I looked at his website, and he's really versatile. Oh, yeah. He crosses a lot of different aspects of the arts, so very impressed. Yeah.

He does a lot of projects, too.

Mm-hmm.

that involve on-site experiences and things like that. So it's really fabulous.

Yeah.

And how long will he be here? A month. He's only got a month. He's extremely busy. Yeah, pretty sure. So I would love to have the rest of you who haven't seen it just look through all those different, like he's got performances, community projects, poetry. I mean, he's just a very versatile artist and it just seems like his art just touches you at a very, you know, in my mind, at a very cerebral level in some cases and at a very heartfelt place in other cases.

Agreed.

go to performances if you can uh yeah let's let's try the first one yeah yeah this is during pandemic so maybe go to one that's more colorful

I guess we'll find out we have enough room for his work. Some of it seems.

We talked about, you know, what he wanted to show. He wanted to know if we wanted to actually vet his art. And he said, I said, if you want us to, we can do it. We've got artists on the panel. He said, I'll do it myself. So he will curate his own art for us. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I think so. But I mean, it just seems like he's doing so many things all at once. That's

So what might we need to discuss under this issue?

I'm going to meet with him, like I said, on Tuesday. So we would need to discuss is just scheduling for everything, for the banner, for the reception. So I told him that would be installed like the first and then open to the public right after that. And then normally we do it with the second week after the installation, I think is how we do it.

It's set for August 11th. Yeah, I'll double check with him.

And we all have that... That sheet, right, that gives us the how many weeks out we have to do everything, you know, for getting the artwork to Sonora. You can always refer to that and make sure that you get the, you know, the image that he wants for the banner and send it to him. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. And the article in the ARC. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about all that. It's just that we needed to have him come.

Go look at the calendar and just kind of, are there any dates here? Maybe if you can pull up the lights again so I can see because I'm blind.

Let me just double check.

August hang date, remove date, reception date we've got for August 11th.

Yeah, it's up to him, but...

But it's just the hang date and the remove date. And I should be around. I can certainly help you with any kind of installation. Thank you.

It's coming on Tuesday. Okay. Okay. That'd be great. Thank you.

What do you think? Do you have any dates in mind? You're seeing him on the 7th, so that's time, but maybe as soon as you find out, you can send that to Marissa, and then I'm happy to help out if you need. Thank you. Okay. Short and sweet.

great um can i make a mention about the calendar too for the next lower um exhibit it could be september october and part of november since reed can't come in until after the thanksgiving break

Are we ready to, Nora, do you have anything else you want to say about this? Okay, well, great, fine. Thank you, Nora.

Thank you, Eddie.

And thank you, Eddie. Eddie is going to come up again later this meeting, I'm sure. The second discussion item, call for volunteer help during events. we are in need of hands and help. And so this is a small discussion item where we can kind of brainstorm as to how we might put the word out, hint, hint, Francisco, to get volunteers for some of the events that we're putting on. And I know that we have as another discussion item here, rather the action item, the Native American Arts and Culture event. And we'll definitely need some volunteers for that. So does anybody, I'll just open it up. Does anybody have any thoughts about how to communicate the need for volunteers? And of all ages, maybe we can also count on high school students and Del Mar students as well to help.

That would be a really good idea to get them involved.

But these volunteers are for the reception?

Whether it's the receptions or the events. So thinking back to our recent receptions, I physically can't carry six-foot tables and set them up, but... I was here alone doing it, and we were doing that at Shoreline Park, hauling things there. So I think just having a guaranteed extra set of hands available for our events coming up on these calendars so that the person appointed isn't just the one person or second person. Maybe we allocate budget for staff to help us.

staff, or maybe, maybe it can be like kind of an ongoing internship or something like that for a student, you know, uh, an able-bodied, uh, pair of high school students, maybe, um, who we have a small stipend who can be there, um, on call, you know, kind of like a retainer or whatever to help us with whatever we need help with, you know, um, I think that could be kind of an interesting thing.

For the 4th of July event, we have hired a great kid that grew up here in Tiburon and works for the ranch and does kind of all kinds of stuff. And I'm going to see how it goes on Saturday, but he might be a really great option. And, you know, just on a case by case basis, if he's with his availability. Yeah.

Okay.

So that's one option.

That's a good option. Yeah.

I don't know how much you want to pay, but I do think the idea, because we do have money of paying kids is a really good idea. And because the ranch has so many young people that they work with as counselors for the day camps, I would suggest reaching out to them.

And many of them are local students too, right?

Yeah. That's how I found this person who's helping me on Saturday. I just called Jessica and asked. That's what I was going to say, yeah.

Go ahead.

I'd like to find out how many events we're doing in a year, and I would like to have a projection of calendar before we ask for volunteers. And so maybe we could, at the beginning of the fiscal year, we'd have some idea. And as far as using students, that's great. My son long ago put up soccer nets for $10 an hour, and that was great money then. Now maybe at least $20 or $25. It doesn't matter. But we also need to be careful in hauling and moving things that they're not injured and that is not going to be a liability for the town.

Where will it be, all these we're talking about, all these events? It just depends.

Well, it depends. For example, Nora has the reception coming up on August 11th. I don't know who will be here or who will not be here over the summer, but she might need an extra hand or somebody to help with the installation rather than another commissioner if we're not here.

Big correction. I just found my email. It's September. It's not August. Oh, yeah. Could be. Could we go back? Yeah. Okay. Revisit.

Before we move on, can I just say. Yeah.

It's cannot, can't have. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's not that I don't trust the kids, but I don't take my mics on.

So just ideally the vision I'd like to see us go towards developing an internship program where kids actually signed up and had an allegiance and served as our ambassadors and that we also get their input and their vision. Long-term vision. In the short term, of course, if we have trusted resources that are working out well within the community, then that would be the first choice would be to use somebody that's actually either living or working in the community. So now I'll turn the floor over to, I guess, Nora, so she can finish.

Yes. So what we're talking about is hanging on August 31st, which is a Monday, having the exhibition start on September 1st. running because I remember we talked about this that we were going to use July for the red white and blue event and then August we still didn't have anybody and September is the only month he can do so the art would run through September 30th the art would come down on Thursday October 1st and or both days possibly October 1st and 2nd and as for the reception we usually have them on a Tuesday of the week after the art goes up which would be September 8th which makes sense because I'll be in Canada in August.

September 8th is the day after Labor Day. Is that an issue?

It's not for me.

It's the artists, because I know last year we didn't.

We discussed all these dates.

Oh, in September? Okay, okay.

That might be a nice post-Labor-Day event. Okay, so the hang date is now August 31st. The removal date is October 1st. It's all through the month of September. That leaves us with October. And Liz, you had mentioned, did you say something?

Reid can't come in until after Thanksgiving break. So that gives us a gap in August and October.

In August, right.

Would he be able to keep his work up in October?

I can ask, but I know that in terms of his own personal availability, he's only available for September. Yeah.

Okay, well, let's maybe that question for him. Yeah, if when you see him on Tuesday to say you don't need you physically present in any way other than the reception. But if you can, it would be great to have your work through October as well.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Well, getting back to our discussion item, Marissa, maybe when you have a conversation with your contact at the ranch, I think I fully agree with Trish that clearly at a reception event where there's alcohol, sir, if we don't want a high schooler.

I believe he's in his 20s.

Exactly. I'm sure there are college age or older people who are willing to chip in and help out. Maybe we can do a combination where you have a younger person who's doing some things that are not involving alcohol in any way. You check it.

It's not very easy.

Well, actually with alcohol, is there a law that the young ones cannot be in the same place where alcohol is?

For example, like for a Native American event, if we have a craft table, there might be kids that are interested in volunteering and helping at a craft table. So we have to be very careful ourselves.

And we do have receptions where families come with their children. you know, and wine is being served.

Yes. Yeah.

On the topic of alcohol, if we're going to, and I could see where, like I was told I couldn't lift anything. So it would have been helpful to have a volunteer lifting the wine, carrying the cases, removing them, cleaning the glasses afterwards where the wine, you know, getting, storing the wine and, that sort of thing you know just around they're around it um i i see us pouring it just acting as the hostesses i think one of us should be there supervising lugging everything lugging tables and boxes and heavy things um chairs around yeah Yeah, in addition to other exciting things that we can create for the internship.

And my other point about, I know we're very interested in internship and I just sort of remember and maybe we could check with Greg Chanis. He said something about internship and hiring them and it makes a difference on employment and all that with the town. So maybe we should clear with him. We have an idea.

Do we need to maybe set up a meeting with Greg then at some point before the July meeting, perhaps?

I think we should have an idea to propose to him, see whether it's possible, and he could work something with us if we have a specific internship.

Let me have a casual discussion with him and our human resources manager before the July meeting. And then we can make an action item at the July meeting to move forward based on their recommendations.

I think an internship is separate from the call for volunteers. I'm talking about somebody who can like call tables, set up umbrellas. I can't do it. I don't have any problem with that.

I can use some help too.

I'm still doing it.

Carrying the wine and the tray of glasses up and down. I agree with you.

Well, Marissa, we'll just wait to hear from you in terms of the ranch as with regards to the volunteer, as she just made this distinction.

She's making the distinction of whether it's volunteer or a hired someone we've paid $20 an hour to, but someone who's a schlepper versus somebody who might be interested in an arts internship for college resumes and that kind of thing.

And that needs to be thought through a little bit further. That's good. Sounds good. Okay.

That is an excellent idea.

Okay, discussion item number three. Yeah, future public art and visiting artists policy. Nora, why don't you introduce this topic, and we can open it up for discussion.

Okay, so this has come up because we have had artists both last year and this year that have asked for payment for lodging and transportation in some cases. And then I think one time it was also to feed some of the volunteers at the installation on the mound. South of the Nile. So I think the best thing to do would be to find, I mean, I think we need to, among ourselves, have the discussion of what we think is appropriate and not appropriate. Um, and I think also to know from Greg, if there are any limitations on money that we put out for these purposes, I E when a proposal comes before the town council, does that proposal need to encompass every expense or can there be expenses later on that we simply exercise our own judgment about, um, I don't know the answer to that, but it seems to me that the proposal should be all-inclusive. So there are different sections to this.

Okay. Well, I did a little bit of research on this topic, and I looked at the largest not-for-profit art grant funding organizations that are out there, not including the NEA, of course. What I found was the largest pioneering organization is called Creative Capital, which which was formed in 1999. Creative Capital is sort of the, you know, it's provided over 250,000 artists since its inception with grants totaling over $55 million since 1999. Their policy is clearly stated. And this is a policy that the organization implements with local organizations like ours. If we were to ask for a grant from Creative Capital, this is what they would tell us. When an artist is invited from out of town, event organizers pay for travel, lodging, and can also provide a per diem, especially for artists who are invited to events. create a scope of work or for purposes of installation. That is the policy. It says these costs are separate from artists, uh, commissions, fees, and project costs. Typically they range between five and 10% usually of the total costs, but that, that is with regard to the size and the scope of the project and where it's happening and where the artist is traveling from. So it's not a set amount, but typically organizations that invite artists from out of town pay for their accommodation, pay for their travel, and that includes gas if they're driving and they're lodging. So that's the policy. I looked around at other organizations. It's the same thing. When you ask an artist from out of town to come, you need them here. And in order for them to complete their project and you are paying for that project, that also means that you have to pay for their accommodation. It does not mean that the artist puts that in their proposal. the proposal for artists projects and costs are separate and a line item for their travel and accommodation is a separate issue altogether. And that has been the custom since 1999 at least. And the reason why it started in 1999 was because the NEA scaled back funding for arts organizations across the country and Creative Capital stepped up and was formed to bridge that gap to help artists with grants. So these are the people who work with grants and with municipal state level organizations to fund artistic projects but that does not so creative capital is that a non-profit yes okay but i'm talking about government i'm talking about yeah we we you can i also looked at other other towns as well and my sister is on the culver city uh artist council they do the same thing um i'm sure there are some towns that don't And maybe there, I don't know what the breakdown is. If there are more towns that do, the more towns that don't. But I'm looking at artists' organizations and we, the body, the Heritage and Arts Commission is an artist's organization. Ultimately, that's our mission. And so I'm taking my guidance from others who say that the reasoning behind it is that If you have somebody from out of town, in order for them to execute and implement that project, you need to pay for their travel and for their lodging. And that's just typically what's done.

I get what you're saying, but from my perspective, as someone who's worked in municipal government for over 20 years, I think it's important to know what sort of authority we have over money that we are basically asked by the town. Because we don't just approve it ourselves. We have to bring the proposal to the town council, and they need to know what they're approving. That's my big concern, is they need to know what we're talking about.

And then we can certainly say if there's an artist coming from Los Angeles or an artist coming from Boston, we can estimate that the travel costs for a plane ticket for whatever date will be this. The lodging at the Tiburon, the lodge at Tiburon will be this. And we can certainly bring that. I have no problem with bringing that as a separate item, but it's not incumbent upon the artist to put that into their project proposal. It is incumbent upon us then. If you want that, I'm happy to do that. And I think none of us would be uncomfortable with adding those costs to a project.

I think from my experience, that has been the normal standard of practice as far as expenses for the artists and all of that is operating how you get this to fruition to the actual installation. And as far as asking the town council, we are proposing the art, the actual project, and that's what they are approving. They are not... The other is a supplementary incident. Well, some may be not incidental, but yes. And I think it has been done. It has always been reported to the commission. And at that time, we could either vote for or against it. I think that's good enough for me, that I have a say, I have a knowledge of what is being spent. And sometimes artists are different. This time, they didn't have volunteers, whereas last time, I trusted my fellow commissioners. They had to run out quickly because of a hot day. We bought couple cartons of water for the volunteers as they were installing. So I would like to have that flexibility and trust my commissioners from making those small operational expenses. And I'm happy to support some kind of understanding among all of us that if it exceeds $300, it needs prior permission, something like that, or $500. And I really don't want to get involved to become a travel agent saying that per diem the artist gets this and they get two breakfasts and one dinner, all of that. So I'm happy with the current situation. I think everyone in the two projects that we have, I've been notified of the expenses and has fallen within our operating budget.

Question? um wouldn't it be uh just or could we in the future disclose it um in our overall budget as a line item and that would be something like artists travel costs and we could base it on you know 10 5 to 10 percent of what we intend to spend whether or not we spend it or not we've disclosed it on the budget like we said 300 per reception yeah but we may not use it

we may need more but at least we could have that line item having line item in the budget i think that's that would be good enough for me that sounds good again my from my perspective and you guys can do what you want but i feel again because we don't have independent discretion to just spend money it is money that has to be approved by the town council I think it would behoove us to at least in the abundance of caution to run this by the town manager and possibly the town attorney.

So are you proposing that we ask the town manager, are we allowed to do this? Is that what you're asking? Okay. Well, we've done it twice already. There's precedent, but I'm happy to do that. Sure.

not sure that's you know i i don't think the town council has approved a budget and i think they trusted us for doing they haven't asked us how much we spent on the reception yeah we have not gone to the town council and all of our accounts all our accounts are transparent and available to any council members but but this is something that we've only done twice

i.e to my knowledge this the the um the two events have been the one with the installation on south of the knoll and this last one in no other event or for no other event do i know that we actually paid for transportation and lodging for anyone

You know, I have been commissioner for a long time. We always did. We always did for if it was necessary for transportation and lodging. Recent ones you remember, I guess, since you've been, but it was done always.

I mean, I kind of feel like you're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

I just don't want to. I think if you're spending money, it counts money, right? And we have a fiduciary duty. Then there's got to be a policy. It can't be willy-nilly. For this guy, we're going to do this. For that person, we're going to do that.

It's not willy-nilly. It's for out-of-town artists.

I'm saying to you, I think there need to be guidelines. There need to be guidelines so that it's really clear.

What are the guidelines that you're proposing?

It could be a percentage. It could be capped. It could be whatever it is. It could be for people that are flying internationally. We don't cover international flights. If it's domestic flights, we'll cover domestic flights. but you can't just have this thing out there.

Then Nora, why don't you draft the guidelines that you would like to see in place since this is your concern and we can take it up at the next meeting and we can discuss it.

I really don't want more guidelines. I like what Tricia said that we put in the budget and I think we should have enough confidence among ourselves as commissioners that we could make those decisions. And we don't want to be a travel agent.

Yeah, and we also have the trust of the town council and also each time it's different so maybe in one case that the expenses would be 2000 1500 other case 500 it depends. And each time we would look into it and decide, this is the whole idea we are here for.

And part of the quality of art depends on the artist. For instance, a while back, we were looking at the British artist, Bruce Monroe. And if he should need an international flight, It might be a lot more than the gas or whatever the hotel room that we're paying. But it's certain value and our decision on what the commissioners, at least the majority, would like to do. And I think that has to be public. It should be reported in a public meeting on what we spent.

Marissa, if we were to draft language around this topic, Where would that language go?

I think it would be the guidelines that you as the commissioners would use to approve a certain project or approve.

So it would be in the public art that document?

Yeah, you could amend the public art policy.

I like personally, I think Tricia's leaves both the most leeway and flexibility as well as I think it meets the standard and I think of trust that is required of us from the town council.

I agree. I think Trish's suggestion of making sure that it's a line item that people know that we're going to be spending money on these costs. I think that's good enough guidelines.

And again... Oh, sorry, since I was just referred to. And I did make that comment, those comments before Nora spoke. I think we can do both. Possibly we can do everything that we've all just discussed and we seem to concur. But I think there's also no harm, no foul in understanding guardrails and having a green light. And if what she's kind of developed and they say there's really no need for that, we trust you, we don't need to see that, then I'm comfortable with it.

The only fund that you need town council oversight on is the public art fund. You have your general fund, which has $15,000 in it as of tomorrow. and your special projects fund, which consists of all the commissions and donations that you get from the art exhibitions. So those, those two funds, the commission has the full trust to spend as they see fit and agree to spend. And then the public art fund is where you do go to town council and say, we've got this artist, we want to do this. And maybe that's where the travel comes from that you decide that's what you want to spend that money on. And then maybe it is two proposals where it's here's the, proposal for the art. And then additionally, we'd like to allocate $5,000 to travel and other miscellaneous expenses and let town council make a call on that. And then.

That's only if we want to spend that 5,000 from the art, the town's public art fund. Public art fund. But if we want to spend the 5,000 under our regular annual budget, then we don't need it.

It's up to you and you just direct me on what fund to pay it out of.

And I would just caution I don't think we should put the guidelines in changing the public art policy. Because the guidelines can change your all the time and the policy has gone through with the Attorney and passed by the town council, and I think whatever we should leave that as this unless we really.

review the entire policy yeah i mean i think nor if if you want to you know draft notes or points that you think are you know reasonable i mean i i don't see i agree i mean i don't want to spend you know money on an international ticket for somebody to fly in from beijing or something like that but i don't also see that as something that's really foreseeable in our case um so so so if you want to do that and and you want to put that as a discussion item for the next meeting that's fine with me um and we can we can we can talk about that but i think uh at least in the main we can also create an action item that says that we will disclose um you know an estimate either a percentage or an estimate of costs for travel and accommodation for out of town artists that are involved with public art projects in this town.

We have never been asked for it.

Never.

It has never been mentioned because we are fully trusted. Exactly. And if we have something over our budget that we cannot, then we can offer it and ask sure and see what they decide yeah if we if we decide that we want to get um that is the time that they can tell us what's what's the circus what's this what's the circus troupe in montreal uh that plays in las vegas i mean

So yeah, if we want to get Cirque du Soleil in, I mean, yeah, OK, I can go and ask for more money in that case. But I don't see that happening.

It's not that. It's just I think there has to be uniformity. Oh, there has to be uniformity. There have to be guidelines. You can't say, well, so-and-so.

For every visiting artist in the last five years, and there's been two.

Right, exactly.

We've only had two. We've had uniformity for both of them. Both of them, we paid for their accommodation. Both of them, we paid for their lodging.

Again, we need guidelines that says for artists coming from... No one's asking for guidelines except you. I'm sorry. I've been a lawyer for too long, and I worked for the city of San Francisco for too long.

I understand that. I mean, no one from the town council has raised this as an issue. Now, you're welcome to go and try and raise it as an issue with the town council if you want, I suppose. But I'm saying if you want to draft the guidelines, draft your guidelines. We'll take a look at the next meeting, and then we'll decide where to go from there.

I could practice your law in there. Yes, go ahead. No, why don't you do this?

Okay.

Any other comments on discussion item number three?

And if you could request public comment on any of the discussion items.

Sure. Any comment from the public here or online?

Seeing none.

Nobody ever does. Is there anyone on that one? No, no, no.

Nobody ever does.

Let's move on to action item number one.

I'll give you a little background on why this has reappeared. I was reminded that at the last meeting, the We the People was a discussion item, and we never took action on approving that that's what you wanted to dedicate the gallery to. So at this time, you can consider approving, dedicating the lower gallery to this exhibit. And then potentially, I've been asked by some of the artists if there's going to be a reception, so you guys can discuss and decide whether you would like to do that.

Well, now that we know that... Mr. Arias is coming in September and not August, maybe we can create a rolling submission for this exhibition and just try and fill up the space in the lower gallery with wonderful artwork that celebrates the 250th anniversary of the birth of the nation. That's what I propose as one part of the action item is to extend from July through the month of August. And maybe we can, again, put the word out once more via the website, via our social channels, and possibly through the ARC as well.

And your own networks would be really helpful.

I will say that I failed miserably when I went to my children who unfortunately did not have any ideas or inclination to contribute to this. I have some ideas, but I don't have the time to do it, unfortunately.

I would like to second that motion to extend the we the people. At the event itself.

We could do flyers, right? We could do flyers. Yeah. on July 4th at the event itself, we could advertise.

There are some July 4th activities I know that the town has planned at Shoreline. I'm not going to be here next weekend, but maybe we can quickly take that flyer that we have, modify it, and can we work with the town to distribute that flyer at that Shoreline event, do you think?

Are there volunteers on the commission that will be attending that event that will pass out flyers? I will not be in attendance. I'm not here.

Is there anybody from the town council or town who is going to be there?

I am unsure of who is attending.

I have a question. Are any of the businesses putting up flyers about this event?

Oh, yeah, because they all have their own activations going. I know. I mean, you're welcome to... I do not have the availability in my schedule to hand out flyers. So I'm happy to make flyers available to you guys to pick up tomorrow. We're closed Thursday and Friday. Okay. So I'm happy to put together a big stack if someone wants to come by and pick them up.

All we need to change is... the deadline, right, and just say, you know, it's a rolling submission. And then also the duration of the show going to, you know, August 28th or so.

I'm happy to make that update and print a stack of flyers. That would be great.

I can pick it up. I can pick it up. But I can't distribute it. But I know that my, I'm just looking at my phone here because our Del Mar Neighborhood Association Um, did put out a PDF about the events that are happening in town and maybe, um, I'll see if I can kind of reach some of those people and we can, you know, I mean, that's one channel to get the word out clearly, uh, especially with the most, you know.

Yeah. I can give you a quick rundown. Um, just sort of, can I go on a tangent here? Yeah, okay. Of what's going on in town. So at 4 o'clock, there's a pooch parade. People and their pets will be, and their well-behaved dogs will be gathering at Shark's Deli and marching up to Arc Row and down Arc Row and then down Lower Main Street where there's a photo booth in Fountain Plaza where you can pose with your pooch or your friends. And then at 5 o'clock, there will be live music in front of Main Street Merc. The various merchants have activations and food specials and grilling and It's a community street party. Lower Main Street will be closed.

Who's doing the music? I mean, who's...

It's a band called Gas Money.

But is it diversity? I mean, which...

The town council is hosting this event.

Town council is hosting.

And the chamber is helping. So, and then up on Arc Row, there will be a mural painting activity. We have a local artist, Laura Palmer, who is... We're going to repurpose some of our vinyl banners, like an H&A banner, actually, in the back. And she's drawing a fun graphic that says Tiburon USA with, like, sharks and stars. And kids can come and call her in and sign their names and whatnot. So that's going to be fun. So we could put maybe a little sign on her thing because those are the artists in town, right? Painting the mural.

Yeah.

And there's face painting. And it's going to be a really fun party. And then people are encouraged to go sit on the green and watch the fireworks.

Does the chamber have a little stall? Do we know if the chamber has a stall?

Drop off some flyers to Melanie at the chamber.

And the other thing is that the chamber...

we do have our own website so we could see about putting it up on the website could we use that banner for our art installation like once it's oh my gosh that is the best idea ever because we were gonna we have we're making two and we're gonna hang one on the side of town hall and maybe move i think i have a vacancy at blackies in a couple weeks and so it'd be fun to put it at blackies but it also could be cute as a centerpiece and the kids could come back and be like i colored that

That's very good.

So the event is one channel, and then there are other channels that we can use to try and continue to get the word out. And again, let's all try and talk to whoever we know that might be interested in submitting something.

Don't look at me.

I have a really cool idea for it, but I just don't have the time to execute. What is it? That's the problem.

What is it?

My idea is kind of like, you know, the artist Kara Walker, she does like these silhouettes. And like, I had this idea, which I could probably get it together. I'm going to be in Napa over the weekend, so maybe I'll work on it there. But it's like a black and white thing where I'm not going to give it away. I mean, it's a cool idea.

You want to copyright it?

Well, it will be copyrighted because it is going to be a work of visual art. Yes, it will be copyrighted, but...

You have some thoughts? The deadline for this commission?

I would encourage all the commissioners to contribute their emotions and thoughts on a work of visual art for this show.

Let's get back.

Yes, Nora. Because we are talking about We the People art exhibition. When does the next Tim Talk come out?

It just went out today. The next one is coming out The 17th, whatever two weeks from yesterday is. Okay.

Is there a deadline? Yeah.

Yeah.

Is there a deadline for this submission? Because we're just going to say it's a rolling submission. Till when?

Till 50, till we have 50 of them.

Okay.

We got 50.

So it might.

Anybody, everybody, we'll get people. the rsb icb and i know 10 or 15 of them have been in touch wanting to show their work yeah there you go oh all right put the that's why i'm confused by there's so many artists who want i mean it's not just for our it's it's more of a kind of uh it's for artists but it's also for anyone who wants to you know uh uh celebrate the anniversary the 250th the sesquicentennial yeah they're artist but is that's what i think but i don't think we would turn anyone down yeah jale has a couple pieces yeah nobody no we would never turn anybody away that's that's the whole thing so uh why don't when you when you when you when you read when you redo the flyer send it to me and and maybe copy krista and she can also share it with her vast network of

I know they're waiting to hear.

Oh, yes.

It's on the agenda today. The flyer is important.

That's the next item.

Hold on. A motion was made to extend the show through August. Commissioner Fong seconded it. We haven't taken a vote and public comment, which we just did. And I'm seeing none online. All in favor of extending the show through, or of dedicating the gallery for the month of July and extending to August. All in favor? Aye. unanimous, do you want to have a reception? People have been asking me. I think we should.

Yeah, sure. OK. But maybe at the end of the month or early August.

Early August, when everyone's back from. That sound right?

Because we don't have any receptions between now and then.

We do have one. July 14. Upstairs, Tyler.

You had set August 11 for a potential downstairs reception date. It's on August 11. So would you like, would somebody like to make a motion about hosting a reception downstairs?

Anyone?

I won't be here.

I move that we host a reception for all artists contributing to the show to hold a reception for them on August 11th to celebrate the sesquicentennial exhibition that we're holding. Second.

Okay. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Okay. Thank you. Moving on.

Okay. That's cool. August 11th. And maybe, Marissa, before we do move on, maybe you can also, as an added incitement, say that we are holding a reception for all artists who are contributing to the show on that flyer as well.

I will add that to the flyer. You have directed staff to the flyer. Thank you.

Yeah, the day, yeah, the hour.

And I will send the flyer to all of you, including Krista and everybody, so that you can send it to all your friends and loved ones and family members and networks.

I'll post it to Del Mar.

There is a reception in July. Action item number two.

Tiburon Peninsula ICB Artists Group Show. We have some links for artists and we have an exhibit one. This is the... You also have it as a hard copy here, folks. Exhibit one. There's the layout. This is looking really good. Excited about this. And we have...

I do have, I can pull up the websites.

Yeah, there are four artists, correct?

Yeah.

Laurie Meyer Kord, she lives in Belvedere. She has a studio at the ICB. And she's going to be creating a series specifically for this called Leap. She did a video on Instagram about it. It was looks really cool.

That's her work.

Tell her style. Oops. The second artist is Kate Solari Baker, who is actually Laurie's studio mate. She also is the proprietor of Larkmead Vineyards.

She lives in Bedfordshire.

Yeah, I believe she's on, is she on Corinthian Island, I think? I'm not sure. Yeah. So, and then we have Marina, is that how we say it? here very cool very bold and then we have brie who's here in the audience with us today oh great wow do you want to talk about your art at all do you want to say anything

Marie was my contact, so I brought her here and introduced her to Marissa. Okay. We were trying to have the artists, local artists, if we can.

Thank you Jale and Azita for your work on this project. Jale, thank you. And thank you for coming. Nice to meet you. And we're excited to have this show finally. It's been a while. We've been talking to the ICB folks to get a group show together. And this is great. It's looking wonderful. So the action item then is

um to approve this group of artists and um just confirm the reception date would be September 15th according to what you previously approved so it's just approving that this is going to happen and I don't see any other conflicts on that date with the town there's no there's no uh that's Tuesday correct

Yes. We should all be here and back to work.

Back to pouring wine.

Back to pouring wine. I hope in our new glasses, which we'll have to showcase at some point. Well, Lee, since we have you here, my question would be, you've seen our very sophisticated hanging apparatus and stuff. Is that suitable for you and for the other artists? You don't need any professional additional help or work.

My career is exhibit design, museum curations.

You're very lucky to have you then.

I've seen it all. But no, it's really, it's a lovely gallery.

Good, good, good, great. And, and certainly by then we will also have people, maybe even a volunteer from the ranch, but I should be on hand to help with installation as well. And I know Jolly does it.

Yes, I will be available if you need.

There are four of us and Eddie, Kate. Kate is the hardest person I think to schedule. I mentioned I would hang her work. Just a series of drafts. What she's doing. Anyway, oil and pastel.

And the layout, tell me about the layout. That was something that the four artists collaborated on and considered, or is that your vision or...?

Janet Callahan- It came up a little fast. So we did this. So I took the lead on it, but Lori chose that spot. Janet Callahan- Okay, about that and then marine is actually in France. I see. And this was all going down during the heat wave. So I think she's good with what she has Yeah.

Great. Well, it looks wonderful. Yeah. Looks great.

So I make a motion.

I second.

And all in favor? Oh, I'm sorry. I would like to get some public comment first. Anyone? Anyone? Seeing none. All in favor? Aye. Thank you.

Great.

I did. Okay. The third action item is consider hosting another event to celebrate Native American arts and culture in collaboration with the Diversity Inclusion Task Force, similar to the one that we did last summer, which was very successful and super fun and had a good turnout. I would think that we would be calling upon Mr. Madrill.

Well, that's an excellent segue. I have called upon Mr. Madrill. I spoke with Eddie in person and also over email, and he proposed that he could organize it. pay all the dancers, get all the people, emcee it. And he would charge $4,000 for his services, but that would also include all of the performers or dancers. I don't want to use, I want to use the word dancers. And then anything else we wanted to put on top of that, we would find the budget for our proposed to DITF to partner with us on that.

And I'm just going to put this out there. Last year, we did have one or two, I think, performers or speakers who came from far away and we did reimburse them their travel costs for coming a long way. I think it was from like Northern California or something. So are we all comfortable with doing that again?

It's de minimis.

Okay. Thank you. And then we also had a free taco truck last year.

Eddie thought that was brilliant. He said it wasn't something he would have thought of or done, but he said it was brilliant and amazing and was such a good idea. So we could include that in the budget.

I think we should. I thought it was brilliant too. Did he mention a date?

He said he is available anytime. So the... This is to consider approving an event date range. Do we want to do October?

I think the fall would be a good idea.

And then a budget and possible partnership with the DITF.

That gives us plenty of time to work with DITF.

They're not meeting again until August, so we can put together a proposal and you can look at it at the July meeting. You guys can flesh it out between now and July and then

So right now he's thinking that $4,000 covers his dancers and his fee. But we had some other folks participating last time. Maybe we can revisit some of them between now and then and then take it to DITF in August. with a proposal.

How much was the food? And I do have a question. We have all of that somewhere. And I just have a question about the procedure. How did this event become an action item? We never had any discussion about it. And we just had this last year. And Is this within the guidelines of paying $4,000 from our operating budget, or is this $4,000 from the public art?

It's not the public art, and I don't think it was taken last year from public art either.

No, I don't think it should be from public art, but I'm just wondering, where did we... Special projects, maybe?

Is that from that $15,000? Yeah, it was split between the general fund and the special fund. It mainly came from the general fund.

And the bulk of it was subsidized by DITF.

It was. I wasn't aware that we did anything with DITF last year.

And we got a grant. That's right.

Last year we did. That's good. What's your question? Well, maybe in the future to follow up on Nora wanting guidelines that might be good and public knowledge is that we have a final report of exactly what we have spent for an event.

Yeah, I'm happy to provide that.

That could be kind of our guideline maybe going forward.

Where the money came from. Last year, you spent $5,000 out of the general fund for this, and DITF contributed $6,000. That's right.

And we still have 10,000 in the general fund. How much?

15,000 for the fiscal year that ends June 30th next fiscal year.

So that's pretty good. And I think we did have a grant as well, though. Are we doing this every year to say, I thought we were trying to get a variety of, we are trying to get a variety, but I think we, we, there was also some discussion that the, you know, absent a public art or a temporary or even a permanent public art project that acknowledges the contributions and the heritage of the Native American population in Tiburon, that this was an event that celebrates that fact. And that we were, you know, there was some discussion, I know, amongst commissioners about continuing that very highly successful event in some shape or form. Is it going to be exactly the same? I don't think so. But, you know, I mean, maybe that's something that we can also put on as a discussion item is, you know, how do we... Because now we're starting to collaborate a little bit more with DITF on some things, like we did the AAPI. We worked with them a little bit on the AAPI week.

We the people. How about we the people, we're doing it. And maybe they can be part of that.

DITF.

The idea of.

Yeah, that's a good idea. Maybe we could put that out. But that's going back to an earlier discussion item. Yeah, but that's a good idea.

Okay, now it's all right. So can we get a little more info because it seems like it's jumping into it, but we can also make improvements or, you know.

Yeah, I think, you know, I'm happy to talk to Eddie. He's a friend of mine.

He was great. And then I think last year, We didn't have any coastal Miwok representation, I thought. Maybe we could try a little harder to get someone here, because I think some of them were north in Ukiah, and then I don't think Eddie is of the same... Wasn't Henry coastal?

No, he was Pomo.

No, yeah.

You're wrong.

But anyway, it's just my suggestion.

I'll broaden it out and then we'll put this on the agenda for the July. I'll speak to Eddie in the next week or two and then we'll put it on for the July to kind of like narrow it down a little bit and get more clarification on what the event actually will consist of. Yes.

I agree completely with you that one of the most, I guess, important things populations in this area and all across the country was the indigenous peoples and so there is no other way that that group is celebrated acknowledged or in any way you know mentioned here so we've got through DTIF we've got the Persian New Year we've got Diwali we've got Juneteenth and AAPI but the Native Americans are nowhere to be found. So I think when you're looking at that selection, that this more than anything else deserves recognition. And so I think it is something until we can get something concrete. We had that. sculpture that was brought before, but that had some serious issues with it. But I mean, we've got the, of course, we've got the mural, which celebrates the migration of the Azoreans and their contribution to this peninsula, but none of us would be here, you know, if it hadn't been for the American Indians and the Native tribes. So I strongly support repeating this event.

Thank you. You should see my work. I agree.

Thank you. It was working. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. Now it's really loud. I'm absolutely in support of this. And as a matter of fact, it was after our rejection of the questionable statute that we thought it was really important to have something to celebrate. So absolutely support this. But I would like to be able to expand on it and see how we can get more details on it.

I also support this. I think it's important to do this event again. Actually, every year, if

Yeah, I think. also make this and every year and put in the budget.

Like the other events as Laura mentioned.

Yeah, for heritage, maybe something specific regarding heritage.

Well, maybe we can take that idea and we can put that on the discussion item for, there can be an action item and a discussion item. And I think in the July meeting, we can certainly create an ad hoc committee to move forward with this project for October.

Yeah, and maybe a proposed budget for everything, including events and all.

And I'll add that I did speak with our artist laureate about a tie-in with the Shoreline in terms of the past and the future. And Krista, maybe it would be great to have you involved also as we move forward with this particular Native American event. I think that would be some really interesting connections and synergy there. And certainly, I'm happy to introduce you to Eddie, who just completed his PhD, actually, uh i think uh i think he was he had some involvement with archaeology also so uh you know i'm sure he'd be able to have some kind of informed comment and ideas about how to move forward with it bring some of the artifacts i have another archaeology talk about the history it's possible just for the record i'll have to go back and look but there was a wonderful presentation on kqed radio

And it was involving exactly that, what the shoreline looked like when the Indians were here and how the, you know, migration or I guess colonization by the Spanish and everybody that came after has changed the topography. And they're talking about shell mounds and all of that. So it was fascinating. And they had an expert on that, which you should connect with. So I'll have to look it up.

That's really interesting.

Yeah.

Okay. great uh so did we all right well um frame it yeah okay this is uh i move that we uh commit to um an an event celebrating native american arts and culture in for this fall with a budget of um an estimated budget of $4,000 from our general fund in partnership with the DITF and our friends in this community to host this event in October.

I second it. I second it. I will do it.

Do we have any public comment? OK. I'm seeing none online as well. All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Unanimous. Thank you.

One last thing. Just for the record, October 3rd will be the Tiburon Wine Festival. Oh.

Not October 3rd.

Not October 3rd. OK. That's a good point. OK. Action item number four, Scott Froschauer, Word on the Street. Discuss potential future activations with the artist for the length of the exhibition through December and consider setting a budget for related events. I spoke with Scott about, uh, what he has done in other cities and towns. And, um, you know, he's worked with various local organizations, um, hiking groups, biking groups, you know, recreational, you know, clubs. And clearly in our case, we have a bike path. We have this, you know, sort of stretch of two miles and, uh, I looked at what other folks have done around art and biking and hiking. And there is something which I wasn't even aware of because I'm not a cyclist. The Big Art Loop, which is in San Francisco. And there are sculptures, dozens, dozens and dozens of sculptures. It's really cool. All around San Francisco. It's by the Sid and Karen Sijbrondij Foundation. And they are the sponsors for that. And I thought it might be useful to speak to them and see how they did what they did. And I mean, on a much smaller, simpler scale, maybe we can also... you know, create a website or do something which brings attention to our bike path and the, uh, word on the street installation there. There's also the Tam Velo club. There's the Bay area cycling, uh, meetup. There are meetups as well. There's the, uh, Larkspur all Marin, um, cycling meetup as well. And, uh, Larkspur Walkers, Ted's Hikes. There's a lot of organizations and I'm happy to talk to Scott and have him do the outreach. I think it's much more powerful coming from the artist. But I'm happy to support him in any way to create a few events. I don't know if... I think Scott is a cyclist himself. I don't know if he would want to come up, but that can be something that we can discuss. And at that time, we can also consider whether we need a budget to help him come to support... one or two of these events. I think it would be great if we could find a way for the Chamber of Commerce perhaps also. Is there a tie-in with the kind of treasure hunt component that's here? And You know, driving visitors to local businesses for maybe some kind of a discounted coffee or, you know, some or a sticker or something like that. Scott has a lot of merch. There's a lot of merchandise. You know, he's got stickers. He's got little miniature things. versions of the science. He's got, I think he's even got t-shirts, you know, he can do, he can really do anything. So, you know, maybe we can, you know, all think about that. And at our next meeting, we still have through December at our next meeting, I would love to have a discussion item where members of this commission have considered some ideas on how to maximize the word on the street show and how it ties in with our community, with our businesses, with, you know, tourism to Tiburon, you know, and I'm happy to talk to Scott as well. And I will take notes on what he says and I could present those ideas with regard to things that he's done elsewhere at our next meeting. Victoria.

Once again, I just saw this calendar. I guess some of these ideas of the bike art loop, which I think is really a good idea for this particular exhibition, should be September or October, and that I just don't want to have too many events at the same time. The other thought was that I thought at the post-meeting where you and... Liz made a proposal. Some of the commissioners from Post made some very good suggestions regarding connectivity between the downtown and restaurants. I don't want to listen to the tape, but maybe you remember some. I just can't remember, but I know they had some ideas that were kind of good feasibilities.

When Scott was here, we talked about my son was in a biking buddies after school.

It's like a new program through the ranch.

And so potentially there could be a tie in with the ranch. And then a few of the Reed teachers have expressed how much they love the project. And I know that Scott really does some school programming too. So maybe there's a tie in with the Reed school district in the fall when school's back in session.

And, And at the end of the day, there could also just be like a regular, you know, bike group that just every Thursday does the loop, you know, and new people can come. And that's not something that we necessarily have to be present or involved in, but, you know, we can just put the word out to some of these organizations, which I'm happy to do as well. But I think the school tie-in and the, and you're right, the post ideas are ones that we can certainly follow up with.

Is there any possibility of tying in with a special program, with a rec department you know for after school activity or something and to talk to uh library well library doesn't do that program for a group not necessarily but want to uh That I don't know. I just don't think their programming is that way. But that's my thought. And then my other thought is that maybe Scott could write a sort of like a general form letter talking about his art that we could send out to like the Larkspur walking group or it could be put into the age friendly e-book. you know, email letter from Corte Madera and also send it to like Mill Valley Art Commission. Maybe they have some ideas and just sort of publicize it and see what might come.

To surrounding.

Yeah, just and it could be a letter signed by Scott and maybe he could design some nice flyer and with his letter saying what kind of art it is, communicative or

conceptual and to... And I'm also not opposed to reaching into our budget to create, you know, a little advertising, advertisement piece for the installation and for the town that we can place in the Chronicle as well, you know, to get people from San Francisco to come out over.

You know, because I was featured with Thomas Jackson. That's right. Yeah. So anyway, that's the... Publicity part.

I have a question. I was wondering if they have considered maybe getting some of the Scott pressure pieces for like staying in town. After his exhibition, keep someone. Yeah.

Keep someone.

Yeah, that was part of his proposal. And we can certainly go into that at the next meeting. I mean, he did say that these are all up for sale and that, you know, it's possible.

Do you want to buy one? I wouldn't want to buy one, but I want it for a town.

We could discuss about the pricing. I don't have the room for anything else and certainly not a big sign. But I wouldn't mind buying the little, the small one, the small H&A sign on the bottom as a memento.

I think we could get there. I don't know if this action item actually is so much of an action item because I don't think we have set a budget until we understand exactly what we're going to do. I say we just punt on a motion at this stage and continue our research and fact-finding on this and then put it on the agenda for July. um the final action item uh public art review and consider the proposal submitted by artist nikki adani for a temporary installation um charlie do you want to talk about this i think there is a well just there is a proposal and maybe we can put that temporary proposal to put it all on the so that we can see

I have had a chat. We were going with Arjun to talk with her, but Arjun was too busy. So I took it upon myself to call her and talk to her about it. She's a local artist and she is very well known. Her work is really beautiful and I think it would be loved by everyone around here because we are all bird lovers around here. What she was worried about was we were taking too long in our opinion because she has a donor. The donor is going to pay fully for this project, whether it is permanent or not. So we really need to make a decision if we want to go with it so that she will be talking to the donor. The donor can wait. But if we don't do anything about it, the donor may disappear. And that is what her concern is about. we have two proposals from her in both ways and as far as our policy goes i read it all doesn't mention we need another or an art call or something on our projects. Everything is done by heritage and arts. It is our choices.

So please take a look at it. What's the difference between A and B, shall I? The A and B options?

One is temporary, one is permanent.

Oh, so do we have to decide tonight that we want it temporary or permanent, or can we give you a vote?

Well, the thing is that we are all, if we agree with it, then it will go to town council, it will go to post. It will take a little time to really get on with it. But the thing is, we don't want to lose the donors' money because... Yeah, paying for it.

I'd like to make a motion and I move that we vote in favor of this artist, this exhibition, and that we fine tune any additional information that anybody might have as we go forward. But directionally, I'd like to make the motion that we support that going forward with us.

For clarification, before we vote, is the donor willing to do both? Either the temporary or the permanent?

Well, according to her, she said that he will pay for both. If it is temporary, after the show is finished, if we don't want it to make it permanent, the donor will take it, put it in his own property.

And Jolene, may I ask, these are two pieces, yes?

Yes. Um, yeah, there are two pieces and, uh, she makes them so that the air and the air doesn't, um, corrode it. And, uh, I asked her if it is, if they are permanent, if they are not permanent, could it be, if we decide to have it permanently, can it be done? What is easily and she said, of course, that can be done quite easily so the next question I have is.

I know, maybe it's my opinion, I think that the temporary installation and south of the know would be easier to get through, then the one that is proposed for the to be to run fairy landing I don't know but because we've already done stuff here.

that's true.

So I would agree with your emotion, but I would. clarify it to add that we're going for the temporary installation and in the proposed location.

And I would like to also add that it would be in 2027. It's not going to happen this year.

Why?

Well, we have this public art till December. And we're going to have an event. And there are things that the South know right now, isn't it? There are some signs there.

There are.

They're not going to add this.

We can take it along and see where it ends, how it ends.

Can we not stipulate a date and explore the timing and installation and all of that? But I'm in support of it. I think a donor may need a certain calendar year for donation. Yeah, exactly. Depending.

I believe our artist laureate has a few words to say. Please.

Can you come to the microphone?

There is no microphone.

Yeah, you can't talk.

We can share. That's okay.

Well, I've spoken with Nikki as well. Introduce yourself. My name is Krista Grunewald. I'm the artist here in Tiburon. I was even concerned about... materials becoming more expensive, just with what's happening in the world right now. So and this donor that came, but because the last few months have already been delayed, I don't know that it would be actually possible for her to do it this year any longer. I mean, if you look at the timeline.

That's true.

And it's not just you guys approving, like to your point, it still needs to go through open spaces and the town. So the timeline right now, we're just kind of losing this opportunity. I thought it was a huge community endorsement that someone in the town came forward with this kind of money. I think our community really wants this kind of magic and an installation, I would actually argue we wanted the ferry building. We want to tell San Francisco, hey, we have these things going along the waterfront. Bring your people across in the boats. You know, it could be a great opportunity to create that connection.

We can certainly present to post You know, I mean, I think the line of the process goes first to post and then to the town council. I think temporary is definitely doable. Permanent requires more time and a process, as we had discussed in the last meeting.

I think the cost difference, she initially tried to make it less expensive, even with the materials for temporary. But because there's a donor who wants to be something that will last longer.

And even if the donor doesn't cover that, I mean, I looked at it, it's like $7,000. It's not a big difference. I mean, it's something that we could probably make up if we needed to, if we got to that burden. But I think it's okay to have a option A and an option B that we bring to post and see what they have to say. I fully support this project as well. And I think, yeah, it's literally a bird in the hand. So, you know, we should definitely move forward with it. I mean, I think my one question is, you know, for temporary she says, total, what is the installation? It takes about eight to 14 weeks. So moving- She has to produce it all. Right, right. She has to do it all.

It's going to take a few months.

And I think at this point, she wouldn't even be able to start until September, October, even if- Well, it's possible that we could get the approvals before September or by then.

PB, Lupita D Montoya, Well, I even love to budget in a line item for the lighting, because I think even the lighting of this piece will be magical for the community.

PB, Harmon Zuckerman, My question is for temporary. Where does it say how long it is up for and I didn't Oh, okay. That's great. Well, that's wonderful then. I mean, I think we should definitely vote it in, as you said, Trish. You made a motion, right?

Yes. I have one more question. I made a motion and I seconded. The ferry option, is that under post? Is that part of there? Okay. Just to be sure. Okay. That one spot on shoreline. That's what I wanted to know.

Well, they oversee the whole park, but I think that Knoll is probably the least... Yeah.

intrusive for the homeowner's association. And I can also say that I know I have family who live right there in one of those front buildings, and I'm happy to talk to them about it as well and kind of gauge the temperature. But I think, Trish, do you want to repeat your motion so we can move forward?

I move that we vote to endorse this installation with the location and duration to be determined and any additional costs to be provided, such as lighting, to be folded in and that we move to expedite pending the calendar to the next step.

I second it. We all second it. Everybody second it.

I'll get Azita's second on that one. And I'm looking for public comment. We've had one. I'm seeing none online. So all in favor? Aye. Robust, unanimous.

I like it. Gorgeous. Beautiful project. How can you turn it down?

Thank you for your advocacy, Krista. We like your input as the artist laureate.

I mean, honestly, that's the kind of thing that people will jump from all over to see.

All right, you guys, we're not done yet.

I'm going to read the calendar and then we can, then Chair Gupta can adjourn. Tomorrow, Tyler Willis is installing his hanger upper. I will be here tomorrow afternoon.

Liz and the installer will be here.

Do you need help?

If you're around, I'll be here after 1.30. He has an installer.

He does? Yeah. What time is he coming?

Between 9.30 and 10. Great.

And then we talked about 4th of July on Main Street, which is going to be super duper fun. Tyler Willis' opening reception is Tuesday, July 14th from 6 to 8 upstairs. All are welcome and encouraged to attend. The next regular meeting is July 28th. Does that still work with everyone's travel schedules? I won't be there. Okay, so no Azita. I won't set up your little name. Thank you. Everyone else?

Yes. Looking good.

Okay. And then looking way far ahead, August 23rd is the next Landmarks concert, Charlie Torch at Old St. Hillary's. And now you may do what you need to do.

And with that, we close the June 30th meeting, special meeting. Thank you.

Thank you.