Town Council - Regular Meeting

I'd like to welcome everybody out to July 13th, 2026 Town Council Meeting. We're looking to go into closed session pursuant to 143.318.11a.6 to consider the qualifications, competence, performance, character, fitness, condition of appointment or conditions of initial employment of an individual public officer or employee or prospective public officer or employee. or to hear or investigate a complaint, charge, or grievance by or against an individual public officer or employee. Do I have a motion to go into closed session?

I'll make a motion to go into closed session.

Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion?

All in favor?

Aye. Do I have a motion to come out of closed session?

I make a motion we come out of closed session.

Do I have a second? I'll second. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Welcome everybody out to the July 13, 2026 council meeting. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Again, thank you all for coming out tonight. Bordeaux, would you lead us in a prayer?

I'd be glad to.

We'll stand.

No, you all can remain. Just sit. Please bow your head and join me in the prayer. Dear Heavenly Father, we humbly seek your guidance, your wisdom and support during our meeting. Grant us the ability to engage in a meaningful discourse, fostering a deeper connection among all of us as we nurture the bonds of our esteemed community. We express our gratitude for the call you've extended each council member to act responsible of our shared environment and to cultivate a spirit of neighborly love. We extend our sincere gratitude to our public servants of Sunset Beach, including our mayor, our town administrator, our town staff, and our fellow council members. I'm particularly appreciative of the public service that you all have chosen to provide on behalf of our community. Dear Lord, please grant us the divine grace as we make decisions that will benefit Sunset Beach. Continue to remind us that our actions and our achievements here are for the greater glory of you and the service to our community. We ask of these things in your name. Amen.

All right. There was no action coming out of closed session today. Does any member of council have a conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict of interest with regards to any item on the agenda? Stowe, please state at this time. I do not. Ms. Patrick. No.

No.

No.

No.

All right. Thank you. Approval of the draft agenda. Council, I'm going to ask that we move 15-1 and 15-2. to basically 10-1 and 10-2, so it'll be after the public comments to give the public time on those both. And the reason for this is we have Ron on a limited time, so we would like to save his time to be more useful to our citizens and things and get him in first instead of making him just have to sit here.

Y'all have anything else?

If not, do I have a motion to approve the draft agenda?

I'll make a motion that we approve the draft agenda with the amendments that you just stated.

All right. Do I have a second?

Second.

Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. General counsel discussion? Does any member of counsel have anything?

I would like to... Thank you people. I'd like to thank Amy Goodrich for all she did for our 4th of July events. There were a lot of extra events and she did a lot of planning for all of that while also running the market started back up and everybody's really enjoyed the markets. be taking place and they've been packed. So if you haven't gone out to support the markets yet, be sure and do that. And she's also at the concerts and everything. So lots of activities going on in the town of Sunset Beach. I'd also like to thank Vicki Todd. Vicki's here today and had a lot of requests come in for different things that I've received via email or phone calls. And every time I contact Vicki, she's right on it, getting back to residents with their concerns and helping to get things resolved. It's a very big, busy time during the summer for public work. So thank you, Vicki.

I'd like to say a few things to echo what you say with our event coordinator. Gosh, we had so many things. from a pooch parade to concerts, and I just thank you all for that. And we also had Cindy Stevenson also help with that. The Old Bridge did some things for our community. I want to thank the Old Bridge for their efforts. Sea Trails Property Owners Association and the Island Golf folks had golf cart parades. We want to thank Teresa and Gary Massey at the Sunset Beach Fishing Pier for their concerts that they had Saturday and Sunday nights. Mr. Klamer, your public works, excuse me, your public safety men and women were out and about for the Fourth of July. well as chief Childers and thank you all for always being there in case we have an emergency we know you all like being off to on the fourth but but you were here as well as the public works staff just very very thankful for you all's dedication anything else not we'll move on

Be seeking to go into public hearing now in regards to amendments 3-1, 3-3, 3-21. Do I have a motion to go into a public hearing?

Make a motion to go into a public hearing.

Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion?

All in favor?

Aye. Ron, you want to do a little explanation before we allow the public to be able to speak?

Sure, ma'am.

Thank you.

So, you've seen this item before, obviously, I believe your last time you continue to send it back to the planning board for consideration of the colors. They have sent it back with a recommendation, reducing the number of colors down to 49 total. 11 of those would be used for trim and 48 used for opportunity for the primary structure itself. Um, just for the public benefit from my counsel to this does not apply to single family homes. It only applies to commercial properties and multi family properties. In our gateway overlay, or those are zoning districts, most urban design standards apply. But you do have a recommendation by the planning board in favor of this, and I'm available to answer questions. I only mentioned the colors because that was seen to be council's primary concern before. Everything else is still in the ordinance from previous.

Thank you, sir.

If you need more information, let me know.

The floor is now open. If anybody would like to speak in regards to this, the floor is open. All right. If there's not. Do I have a motion to close the public hearing?

Motion to close public hearing.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Any discussion among council? All in favor? Aye. You want to go ahead and do the vote on this? Since we got this, it's not in the agenda, but it would have been for the...

Yes, sir, that would be recommended, and remember, you need a consistency statement.

The consistency statement should be in your paperwork there. Would somebody like a motion to go forward with this?

I'll go ahead and make the motion that we approve the proposed amendments to the Unified Development Ordinance and finds that it's consistent with the Town Comprehensive Plan. as the amendments to the gateway overlaid and urban design standards maintain the current design requirements, and that it is in public interest because the amendments encourage commercial development along the major corridors in accordance with goals outlined in the 2017 land use plan.

Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. Next up will be our public comments on agenda items. Clayton. Good evening. Public comments on agenda item. If anybody would like to speak, you're more than welcome to come up now. Last call. Comments on public agenda. All right. If not, we'll move on now. Go to 15-1. Mr. Ron, you can come on back up, please, sir.

Yes, this is a routine item just before you is to request that Council schedule a public hearing for your August 3rd meeting to consider three changes to your UDO that would be bringing the code into compliance with recent legislation approved by the North Carolina General Assembly. One of them has to do with the definition of downzoning. One of them has to do with a waiting period in between a denied, like a rezoning application or a MAP amendment. And the third one has to do with pavement standards with DOT. So by the end, this is just requesting a public hearing.

Any questions from council? If not, I'll entertain a motion to set up a public hearing for August 3rd meeting.

I make a motion that we set up a public hearing for our August 3rd meeting. Do I have a second?

Second.

Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Next up, the It was 15 to Ron again, you got anything for this before the adoption of the rules and procedure for tree board and planning board.

I only have for the planning board. There was 1 item. I was not involved with the other 2 boards. There was 1 item. I believe it's the top of page 151. If I'm not mistaken, um, it has to do with there was a request at 1 point by counsel for the planning board, not to have a discussion, an item called planning board comments on your agenda. These rules of procedures includes that. So, if that is your desire, you might want to consider taking that. Reference out.

Okay. Thank you. All right. What's the pleasure of cancel in regards to these rules options.

Mr. Klamer, have you gone through all of these and do you have any suggestions?

I don't have any changes as they're presented, no.

Okay. I read through them and I found several things, just different things, one of which Mr. Satterfield mentioned. I'm going to pass these out. Some of them are redundant. Let's see. You need four that way. and two this way. So you all know this is Robert's Rules of Order. You see how thick it is. And we ask these boards to adopt this little booklet. But this booklet is not geared toward an ERC. It's not geared toward a tree board. It's not geared toward the different things that we have. So I'll be real quick with this. For the Environmental Resource Committee, the ERC, throughout the document it says board and it needs to say committee. Number two on what I handed out, and I think, did we give one to the clerk to make sure she has one? Okay. Rule three talks about electronic board meetings. And as it's written is great, but I think for that, we need to denote the time that people leave. And then if they rejoin and rule two, excuse me, number two, which is rule three in the suggested in this is throughout all of our committees. And then number three, it says rule five, It talks about going into closed session. And when you look at the general statute, and again, this is for all three committees, the general statute that governs closed sessions, there's not a reason why any of our boards or committees should be going into closed session. So I suggest we remove that. If you flip the page and go to four, It talks about a rule 12, a recessed meeting. It says in the booklet, it says if a town or municipality has a website that is regulated by the town, that this should be on the website. Well, since we have that, we don't need to have if we have that. I think it needs to be just stating that the change of language to that it reads that a recess meeting shall be placed on the town's website for the committee. And then number five, rule 18 talks about, in their language for the ERC, it talks about a second vice chair, and I don't think we have a second vice chair for that. So the language that I suggest... is committee shall designate one of the members present to serve as temporary presiding officer. So those are for the ERC. Then moving to the tree board, the document that was presented needs to actually have the tree board on it, and it needs to have Sunset Beach in those blanks on rule one. And then again, rule five talks about closed session. Rule 12 again talks about the recessed meeting to state that on our website. And then lastly, for the planning board, which will be on page three that I handed out, the document that we looked at has some highlights. Those need to be removed. Again, about the rule three, electronic board meetings. And then the planning board did take out rule six regarding the closed session, but then they referenced closed session throughout that document. So that needs to be cleaned up. And then this question is for Mr. Satterfield, number four, rule 10 talks about notice to the public state 72 hours. Is that in our UDO that it has to be 72 hours? is the general statute that governs that, 143-318-12.

I'd have to go through the specifically, but if we're going to have a meeting that involves a rezoning. We have to comply with the requirements for that.

That's right.

Um, so we had some discussion if I remember correctly, Mr. Claymore, you and I both here at that meeting. On what has to be included and not included, particularly with the planning board, because they do operate outside of your typical other boards, because they are governed by 160 day and what the requirements are. My advice would say just make sure we're consistent with 168. There can be a close, excuse me, a called special meeting with 48-hour notice as a general statute. That's what this is for.

This is what this one is for. Yes. For a special called meeting. Just a special called meeting. And that should be 48 hours. I couldn't find it in the UDO.

Yeah.

But I know that you know it better than I.

We would not normally... Spell something out this in the that would apply to all boards and commissions like that. Like, uh, and. Even looking through these rules and procedures, and I did not say we should take it out, but like, electronic meetings. Their statutes cover, I don't know that we need something like that in a specific type of rules of procedures. Um, that's what we tried to take the closed session out because we got, I could not think of a reason why I closed my plane board. We're going to close session. Right.

Um, so, and then, um. I think number six, rule 13B3, I think that's just a typo. And then Mr. Satterfield already mentioned rule 16 to remove planning board comments. And then eight, I found kind of interesting, part X, committees and appointments. I don't know why the planning board, maybe you all know a reason why a planning board should appoint another committee. Okay. Okay.

So, what I've seen in my practice, and in 30 plus years of services, sometimes a planning board may have a committee to take on a specific topic that may be this coming before them. It could be a code change. Say they want to talk about sidewalks. Just come off the top of my head. And so, you know, they have a couple of experts, maybe engineers just on the planning board. And so they can have a committee, if you will, that would talk on a specific time.

Oh, it's for the planning board members would have a subcommittee.

Yeah, like a sub, that's my understanding that I couldn't maybe without.

Could we clarify that in the rules to say that it would be a subcommittee of the planning board?

Yes. Can you point out that rule again?

Sure. So it's going to be part X committees and appointments toward the end of that document. And what I handed out, it's number eight. But what you're looking at is part X toward the end.

Committee appointments.

Yes, sir. It says committees and appointments.

Yeah, committee appointments under Rule 33B.

Is that what you're recognizing?

Page 156.

150 what? 156 on to 157. Yeah, part 10.

If it's a subcommittee amongst the membership of the planning board, Council, do we feel like we need to specify that so we don't have just an ad hoc committee from people in the community? Not that we don't want public engagement, but the planning board does have that responsibility. Yes. So we want to make sure that they are entrusted with it because they've been sworn in by certain.

And the way I would interpret that, the intention would have been like a committee of the planning board on a temporary basis to talk about the specific work item, if you will.

Okay. 33 part be. Yes, it's basically does say about including non board members selected by the board. And then you're it's good catch there.

Yeah, but if it's your intent to be a planning board. I need them. 3 is a quorum so committee of 2 basically.

Yeah, and then for. So, Katie, on that, we're going to remove the non-board members selected in Mike. Right. Is that what y'all felt from that?

That was where I was going. Yeah. And then Rule 34, I think we need to remove or add language that the rule does not go into effect until the council approves. because they're in here, it says that they can amend their rules and that's, I mean, they've already amended rules and that's why we're sitting up here to go over these. So I suggest that we add the language that the rule does not go into effect until council approves.

Can I make a suggestion? Maybe just, I believe this bracketed and submitted to town council approval, maybe just remove the brackets. Okay. I think that will accomplish what you're trying to suggest.

Yes, sir. And then Rule 36 states that the board may adopt its own special rules of procedure. Well, I think, again, that needs to default to us. So I suggest just removing that altogether. So that's what I had, and we didn't have one for the Board of Adjustments. Mr. Klamer, we didn't have a set to look at for the Board of Adjustments. So is that coming to us later, or are they just... Do they not need to do one?

No. Typically, the Board of Adjustments is going to be governed by the statutes.

That's right.

What the role is. The Board of Adjustments and the statute is going to cover that as well as your UDO already has a lot of what I'll call loosely, rules and procedures. It outlines what their duties are, what they have to consider, what is a quorum, how many votes are needed for such and such, and those kind of things. I believe you're covered already in your ordinance with that.

Is it covered who presides over the meeting?

It says chair. Annually, they elect a chair and a vice chair.

But in the absence?

No, but I believe Robert's Rules covers that, which is presiding officer, which is what you had talked about earlier.

Okay, very good. So, do you all like these? Do you not like them? I mean, I think it clarifies a lot.

We don't want to approve this tonight. We want to make those changes that you've presented and then come back next month.

Thank you for documenting this.

We talked about some of it and it definitely, I feel like, covers concerns that have been addressed.

Well, since I brought this up, may I make a motion that we table this to give staff time to incorporate these edits to bring back to the August council meeting?

Yes. I'll second. I'll second. Any more discussion? All in favor? Aye. Thank you, Ron. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. All right, next up will be our consent agenda. the May 27th public forum minutes, 2026, the May 27th public forum minutes from the regular meeting minutes, 6-1, I'm sorry, June 1st regular meeting minutes, the June 15th public hearing minutes, the June 30th special closed session meeting minutes, the June 30th This agenda here would be all crazy. All right, the monthly reports. Building inspection, code enforcement, finance, fire, police, public works. Does anybody have any questions in regards to any of those things?

I have one thing. It's on, let me get the exact date, which one it was here. It is on the June 1. two thousand and twenty six regular council meeting. We had on fifteen point nine consideration of using the electronic comment portal. The use of the public comment portal was discontinued immediately. But I didn't know if we needed to state in there what we're using instead because we did decide that during that time so that folks know that it's out there. the portal is for them to comment. It's on page 34, Ms. Rigby, if that helps. Okay, thank you. Yep, I have that. And then I had a couple of questions on the reports. I really like the new format that Ms. Bardo asked for regarding the public works, which shows the detail. One comment on there, and Vicki, since you're here. One, it had like 35 hours for doing that mailer that went out about the roll cart. And I didn't know if there was anything there for future reference that we can do to streamline that process. I didn't know if y'all had a machine that folds those letters to put it in because that's very labor intensive for y'all to do. I was shocked to see those numbers. For that, so I didn't know if y'all automatically can pull the addresses out to print the labels print, do a standard thing to print. It didn't know if there was anything there that we can help in the future to make that a not so time consuming process for your department.

So Sydney. printed the labels for us, and then me and Matt had to fold and stuff the envelopes and seal them. I don't think there's any streamlining for that that I know of that we have with the town.

Because I didn't know, does the town have the machine, Mr. Claymore, that folds, like you can put it in and it'll fold it automatically? It'll fold them all and then you just, it saves a lot. I know I've done a lot of mailers before.

Yeah. Okay. Nothing of the sort.

I don't know if we maybe need to look at a cost, a price for doing that to streamline, because we've had to mail. Don't know what the costs are of that. But look, because that was a lot of time. Thank you all for that. That was one question I had. I love the code enforcement, the report that details out what's been sent out, and there's been a lot going on there, which is good for residents to be able to see, especially if they're concerned about a property. Obviously in this month, we're looking at May reports, but hopefully those other reports can be uploaded so that we have June reports for a lot of these areas are already out there. Regarding... the fire reports um some of these are printed very small that we received i don't know if there's a way um chief childress for that to be better viewable so when the public tries to view it it's going to be very hard i think for people to view that on a device or on a um screen probably because it's hard to view it it's hard to read it i didn't know if there can be any tweaks there just because Folks are doing it and then I didn't see the fiery work for me. And everything else, it doesn't really say at the top, like, fire report and when it's for. I didn't know if that could be done just for when folks are looking at this stuff. It would, it would just make it a little like, we know what it is, but people have to revamp that. Yeah, and then I didn't see the training hours on there, so I don't know if we were missing a sheet or anything, but...

I'll double check on that.

Yeah, on that, because normally that. But I just think some of that, what we got this month. But before, it's been different. So I don't know if they were trying to shrink it for printing purposes or what.

So we've got a new, and it's a reporting software that the county uses. It's new for us. We're still in the process. I want to get you something better, but we're on the struggle bus with this. It's a brand new thing. It's limited in its ability. So we want to get you something definitely better. I understand. It should be coming. Okay.

Normally it's easier to read.

Yes, it is.

Great. Thank you very much. Kind of, Chief Claymar, for the report here on page 55 of our packet, like if it even had the date, like it just says when it was printed. Sorry, I went through these because I have a lot of people asking me questions. And I'm still getting a lot of questions about the special check on y'all's report is from the one that for the month of May was 1,093. If you could explain that. I know you've explained it before, but just a lot of people are asking what is that.

Real quick, what was your question on page 55?

Oh, okay. On page 55, when you look at the top of it, if it can just say what month it's for, because it doesn't say on there.

Yeah, we would have to handwrite it. There's no way to change it. Oh, there's not. Okay. Okay.

Well, I didn't know. Well, that's okay, I guess.

Special checks. We require that when officers do a neighborhood check or... Um, you know, they drive through an area where we might have had some problems that they document that. So, if they entered. Your neighborhood, and they were there for 10 minutes, they'll log that as a special check. That's what you see there. Okay. There's a lot of controlling a lot of checks. On your properties.

Okay. And one other on 61, our monthly parking citation report. And again, this would be for May because it just says printed. Is that for the like from 5 p.m. to 9 a.m. coverage of Any parking citations, including people parked wrong?

No, this should not have been included in the report. This is ones that we would have entered into our records management system where this came from, not citations that we entered through SURFCAST. So the SURFCAST report is separate and that's on page, this would be 53.

53.

That's the CERFCAST report that shows parking violations. So that's not, we don't use this portal. So printing that, it's always going to show zero because we use CERFCAST.

Okay, I'm not following us. I'm not seeing a surfcast report in my stuff at all, unless it's the one that's after page.

It's after page 52 or 62.

So 60 is the one that's not labeled. Yeah, so what would be 63? Yeah, and that's very hard to read. So again, I don't think residents. So this is the violation that the police department gave or that surfcast gave?

Combined.

Okay.

Combined. They're not separated out through the system.

Is there a way to show what our police department gives?

We'd have to hand common.

Okay. And I don't know if anybody else, what do you mean?

I mean, what did you. Is, you know, my whole thing is misbehaving over here.

Yeah, what I asked was, is there a way to show like auto connect what they write in ticket versus what our police department writes in tickets? I get I'm still receiving a lot of concerns that from five PM until nine AM. regarding enforcement and to me it will be good to share data with folks to say it is being enforced because I know sometimes myself I can take a walk in the evening and there's I'll see eight cars that are parked the wrong way not in a pot spot you know we all see you know we know people can't be where all the time but I'm still hearing that a lot when after Otto leaves our During their time here, I guess, so I didn't even know how to address to show that in the reports.

I guess we'd have to find a way to scroll through all these 400 and some tickets that were written. And pick out the ones that were written by police officers and give you a separate report for that. Okay.

Well, because the monthly, I think they were thinking this monthly, and that's what I thought. I thought that was because I'm like, yeah, there's not a lot I need to ask because I'm like, surely during a whole month some have been written.

When you classify the primary incident type, could you classify it differently to, say, Allen? Is there a way that you could denote it there to let this system know to sort it differently so you wouldn't have to hand calculate that? Because I think we do want to see how often the police department is enforcing parking on the island.

I'll see what the system's capable of. If it's not, then it's not our system. I understand that.

Right.

So we'd have to ask the vendor if that's something that their system is capable of doing.

Perhaps give it a different code or something.

If they make changes to the system, it could come with a cost. But I'll find out what I can for you and report that back to you.

Thank you. You're welcome. Let me see if I had anything else.

While you're looking through that, could I ask a question about the fire and the police We had a resident that asked about the duplication. Is there a way that you could show that it was a duplicate? We know that when we have an emergency that all of our first responders go, but is there a way that we can denote the ones that somehow separated like as Ms. Jones had asked for? Have you given any thought to that?

I haven't only because um there's no way to do that again without hand picking each one that we go through. No worries. I was just very labor intensive.

She had asked and I didn't know chief.

Are you aware of what this was? So there's the question was um the medical calls which we automatically get dispatched automatically shows a number

Yeah, not we.

And I don't know which ones we do respond to and which ones we.

Unless that would be a lot of work to separate that.

No worries. She had asked and we didn't respond to that. And several people have messaged me wanting to know the answer. So since it was asked and it wasn't answered, I thought I would ask here. Ms. Batchelor, thank you for letting me interrupt you. Oh, you're welcome.

That was good. I think that's all I have. Just. Like I said, people are looking at the report, so I think the more data people can see, the better. So I figured I'd ask so everybody can hear the same thing.

If there's nothing else, do I have a motion to accept the consent agenda?

I make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Do I have a second?

I'll second.

Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Town Administrator Report, go ahead, Mr. Kim.

Yes, Mr. Mayor. Let me finish my notes here real quick.

I've got all this ahead of me.

All right, well, we are officially 13 days into our new fiscal year, and I want to recognize everybody that worked really hard on this budget to make sure that we were prepared to get started July 1. In particular, our finance director, Alicia Armstrong. Alicia is brand new to the organization, brand new to Black Mountain Software, and she worked really hard to make sure that we got to where we were so that we were up and running and we didn't miss a beat. Hurricanes. We're not gonna have any, that's my prediction. You can take that to, I was going to say take it to the bank. I don't know that you want to do that. Staff met at Chief Childress' EOC Center and brought in some new staff, brought Alicia, and talked about what the town does, make sure that we're all on the same page so that if we do get hit with a storm that we all, the right hand knows what the left hand's doing. I've been working with our new on-call engineer for existing projects and the potential of maybe other projects that we might have on the horizon. We should have a call scheduled with them for Wednesday of this week to talk further about Majestic Oaks. Catchment 7. I don't want to steal Vicki's thunder. I don't know if you want to talk about Catchment 7, but Catchment 7 is nearly completed, thank goodness. And we just have a few things that we have to do. When I say we, the contractor has to do to continue cleaning out the catch basins. They're gonna utilize our vac truck, which they're gonna pay for every single bit of that, including any staff time that might be involved, just to get those cleaned out so that we can finalize that project. I'd mentioned Majestic Oak. One of the things, or two of the things actually that are pending that, the engineer is gonna need from us is just landscaping and lighting plans. And this could possibly go out to bid once permits are issued late September, early October. Lastly, as you know, as you likely know, there was quite a good size fire that happened between here and Shalote and members of our fire department were called for mutual aid. I know that they were there for at least two days. Some of our police department went to help block traffic And the chief gave me a really good report on what his officer, his firefighters did. And I mentioned that, you know, it's in times like that when we need each other that we don't look at the name on the badge or the color of the patch. We just go, we help, we do our job. And as a result, you see how quickly that was contained. No loss of life and job well done by everybody. That's all I have.

Okay. Any member of the council got any questions for the administrator? Do not?

I do not.

We'll move on. Thank you, sir. Presentation now, Island Park and the Traffic Study, Bolton and Mink. I think our lady's here, so you have the floor.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

My name is Lorna Allen. I am a representative of Bolton Mink this evening presenting the work that was completed for the traffic and parking study. Just to remind everyone, we were asked to review the island on street parking. And assess it based on its current status, how it was built in any obstructions that may be within the proximity of the parking spaces or within the right of way. We were asked to review based on NCDOT, town and federal standards for safety and visibility, encroachment upon infrastructure or private property. This included encroachment of private property elements into the public right-of-way as well, potential risk and liability, sufficient or adequacy of placement of parking spaces. Again, the standards and engineering judgment by our engineers that perform this work. Our first task was to review the existing town code of ordinances, review Division 3 and CDOT roadways design standards and alternatives, and develop a minimum design criteria checklist and guidelines. We performed our tasks to April 6th and April 7th, walked all of the spaces and addressed each of the on street space parking spaces, identified items on our checklist by a qualified civil engineer. We have documented this work and classified the parking spaces into three categories. We have deficient, which we have identified as a consideration to be removed, modified, where there could be adjustments made for the parking space to remain, and then sufficient, meaning that the parking space is fine as is in its current configuration. In your agenda, we have provided that technical memorandum that states all of the information. We've also provided additional map sets and a spreadsheet identifying all of the parking spaces, their status, and recommendations should they be deemed deficient or modified. Just a few examples of what we found. We did photograph all of the spaces. They are all geolocated. We provided access to that geolocation to town staff and zipped those photos so those are available to staff. So just some examples of what we did find. For deficient spaces, here's an example of a mailbox that is currently in a space that was deemed for a golf cart that is currently not accessible for that. And then an example of a parking space that was built around a existing utility that was also deemed not as deficient as a parking space. An example of a modified parking space would be in a location that mostly is fine, but may have encouragement such as vegetation that is reaching into the parking space or the right of way. So that would be an example of a parking space that could be modified to be utilized. And then finally, the sufficient parking spaces are those parking spaces that do not require any modification and that can currently be used as is in their current configuration. Um, again, we provided that technical memo that is available for you and your agenda a very thorough spreadsheet of all of the parking spaces and their classifications and those corresponding map sets as to the parking spot location and its classification based on. Deficient modified or sufficient.

So, with that, I'll get that I don't have that. Not spreadsheet at all.

The spreadsheet was delivered to staff. The technical memo was in your agenda.

Okay.

It's not in our packet.

Correct.

Is there a reason why we don't have it?

Go ahead.

I didn't hear what she said. You said it was delivered to... I have it.

It was sent to me. What was forwarded to the council was the memorandum, the final report.

Yeah, it has all of the parking spaces, but the technical memorandum has the summary of the work performed and considerations for following the study.

but if somebody did want to see it it's available could we put that on the website because i know i've gotten a lot of folks to ask for that we sure can okay that'd be wonderful thank you all right thank you yep no problem thank you

Can I ask you one question specifically, because I don't have this to look at the exact spreadsheet, the spreadsheet to see the exact spot, but I've received a lot of feedback from folks that are on what's called our half streets, which goes, yes, the one way that were made one way. They used to not be one way, just so you know, so that track, I know you are familiar with Sunset, so you may love that. But I received a lot, received photos. I mean, where people are parking, they're claiming within a foot of their, there's only a foot is what I've been told. And there's not room there. We're getting photos, videos, people literally getting out of their cars and are clearly on the property of the homeowner. um they are laying their stuff up against their house that's so close one in particular is on h street that is very close and um didn't know if there's any i was a little shocked that that supposedly was cleared to be okay is what i was told but um didn't know if there's any other feedback you have for us on some of these spots for us to discuss with homeowners or us to decide as a council how to move forward with because some do seem extreme and some they were told that they were going to be removed and then they hadn't been so there's just lots of factors going on so trying to understand from y'all the experts in this what what should really happen or not i mean some they can't hardly get out of their driveway i mean so and sometimes people don't park where they're supposed to park is obviously a problem but some of these it's continual issue and you know the thing is call the call 9-1-1 have the police come out but sometimes by the time that happens they're gone so it kind of Just didn't know if there was anything on those side streets that you could give us as a council to help with this situation.

So I did mention, we looked at 5 criteria as state through the town and federal standards, and those were agreed upon through our scope to review the criteria that you just mentioned. And I think you also mentioned we're looking at. Driver behavior is probably the biggest issue with encouragement on people's private property. In our next steps, we do provide some near-term considerations. One of those being reviewing and modifying existing spaces. We don't necessarily get down to specificity as it relates to driver behavior because it's a little bit more nuanced. But 1 of our longer term considerations is for that evaluation of the parking program and some of those parking spaces that continued to provide issue with the public or private property owners.

What's the cost for that service?

The cost for the review of the parking program? We can definitely discuss that with you all if that is something you're interested in, but I didn't know roughly what we weren't asked to provide it. Yeah.

So we can do it for free. We could as a council see that this is really not fair to the rest of the whole island. We have. side streets just on one area. And I'm not saying we should have all side street parking. I'm saying that it's not fair and equitable. So we could remove it for that reason. Also, that street is very narrow. And by being one way, that narrowing obstructs views for people. It could be a safety thing. Back in the day, you probably don't remember this, but the fire truck, we didn't have parking on there. And then all of a sudden the parking appeared. And we were told that parking didn't need to be there because fire truck couldn't be there. And then you go out there, regardless if you're an expert or not, but you go out there and you look and you say, well, these cars are parked here that are right on the side of somebody's house. And I don't know how you would get the apparatus to put the fire out appropriately. But that narrowing of that street is very concerning. I know it's one way, but it's still concerning. So Ms. Batchel, we could, if we have council support here, we could do away with those parking spots. You know, we opened up Main Street. But again, I think we need to, as a council, think about if that were your property, would It's unusual and it's unlike the other parking spaces where there's a buffer of a driveway. In these side streets, you have the parking space right abutting somebody's property, right underneath their window, where at least the other parking spaces, you have the buffer of a driveway. It's not that many parking spaces. Could we live without those side streets?

I don't know, but maybe she can tell me. based on her definition, how many parking spaces did you guys deem as deficient?

Yeah, I don't believe there were, but there were a total of 34 on street spaces that were deemed as deficient.

34 of those and how many for modified?

Modified had a total of 145. 135? 45. 45.

And that's sufficient, which meant they met all the criteria left us with. 125. Okay.

So 125 spots were good only. Good to go.

Yeah, they didn't have any issues. And when I say modified, it may just be vegetation that is encroaching.

Right. So the reason I ask this at this point is because as you start to look at street-specific parking, it's going to drop those numbers dramatically in one way or the other. And I guess we should take a hard look as to see what we're going to do on any particular area.

Correct. And what we've provided you all with is a very thorough account for every single space and corresponding maps. So for specific one-offs like those half blocks, you can take a really close look at those and decide if those fit within the mission of the parking program and what you're trying to provide.

Mr. Klamer, I know you and your staff and the fire staff and the public works, I think, director and deputy director went out there and you all identified some early on that were were not usable and you all did away with them. Thank you for doing that. Were those part of these ones that were either done away with or modified? Did they count in here for the number that you referenced?

They do. The ones that we marked prior to engaging the services of Bolton and Mink are included in this. I know that now also that Public Works is in the process of working to address some of the encroachments. So we have clear guidance from NCDOT as far as the right-of-way and our abilities on that Main Street right-of-way and property owners that have encroachments into the right-of-way that affects a parking space are going to be mailed a letter to let them know that they have to remove that encroachment.

And if they don't, there's a penalty with a financial penalty?

If they don't, we're going to remove it. and then they're going to help.

Do we assess them, the charge for that, and then if they don't pay it, we put a lien on the property? Is that kind of how it goes?

We haven't got that far into it yet, but that would be my feeling on it, that if they don't comply with that letter and we have to go out there and spend taxpayer funds, then we need to recoup that.

Thank you.

And if I may, these pictures, I've seen these before. This is a people problem. I mean, yes, people got out of parked vehicles, but walking onto someone else's property is not a parking problem. It's a people problem. This lady with the dog underneath someone's house, likely not related to parking.

Oh, no. Well, I think the issue is, though, I understand what you're saying, Chief, but I also think the parking spaces have created people coming there to park and the people, because when they open their door, they're basically against their house. That is also creating this. And unfortunately, it is a narrow street and that's where the parking got placed. And this particular homeowner, these, I mean, they're spraying suntan lotion onto her home. They're going under her house. They're letting their dogs do it. I mean, it's a little bit of everything. And these are just some examples that I know I hear about from some of these homeowners weekly.

Mm-hmm.

And to me, it is concerning because we put spots right up against the side of their house. And these are spots, if you don't know, that people can park in 24-7. So people come off the beach at midnight or 2 a.m. and slam their door, have blaring music. So it's a whole host of issues that can come with this. As Miss Bardo was saying, some of these, not all on the side streets, but there are some that are definitely very close to homes. And this, this particular property owner has stuff marked off no trust. I mean, but it's not stopping them. And what do we do? Do we, I mean. To me, as a council, do we allow this to continue to happen to somebody's property by how these spots are set up? Because I can tell you none of us sitting here in the audience or none of us sitting up here would want that going on at their residence.

You're right.

And it's happening all the time. And, you know, to me... I think it's something we need to consider looking at, especially some of these spots. I'm not saying it has to be every one of them, but some of these spots definitely are very concerning. And if people can't really get out of their driveway, I mean, I've driven several of it this week, looking at it very closely for this meeting and it's very concerning that we've set that up there for these property owners. And some that had boats or had larger truck vehicles, they can't get out because when cars are parked there. And some of them are having to not pull in their driveway. They're parking this way sideways so they can get in and out. So that's not fair to the property owner either, I don't feel like. So I would like to hear y'all take, like I said, I'm hearing a lot of it because I am on the island. And I don't know if y'all have, I know some she sent, I did say I would share these photos with council, but they're kind of at their wit's end as a property owner, what do we do? I mean, their only option is to sue. And if you, you know, none of us want that, but also how do we work with our taxpayers to not create, when you go out there and look on H Street, how close this is, it's close.

I mean, so to me- I don't live on the island, but I'm on the island because we all represent people that live there. And to echo every point that I've said, I'm gonna echo, I'm gonna say them again because this is near and dear to a lot of people that live over there. It's not equitable or fair that we have parking on some side streets and not all of them. And I'm not saying that we need to have them on the side streets. or the number streets. I am saying that we should look at maybe taking some of them out. The second is it's a very narrow um area that's very dangerous for cyclists um people that are pedestrians for little children you can't see them jutting out um narrowing also um creates there's not a buffer there so somebody is getting out of a vehicle to to get right on the side of your house um that they that we're setting that vulnerability up for somebody's home to be damaged on the side whereas the the The other parking spaces that are safer at Canal or North Shore or on Main Street, there's a buffer there. There's a driveway there, some gravel. So if somebody's out there spraying something or wanting to put a chair, it's not leaning against somebody's house. They're not spraying, you know, suntan lotion. or they're not slamming a door right up underneath somebody's bedroom window. Are y'all concerned about these things for our residents, that they have to endure this? Because I know we would not want to live there. And again, I don't live there, but we've all driven around. I mean, we ride the roads. We see this. We know it's a problem. These people have contacted us. Common sense on this is some of those need to be removed.

I think proximity... in a view of somebody, proximity to their house or parking space is different for every person. Some people think if it's 20 feet away, it's too close. Some people say if it's 40 feet away. I think you have to actually look at the spot and see what the problem is. I don't think we can take a broad brush and say it's for everything. I think if you want to take a look, we look at each one and say, okay, they got 10 feet between the parking space, because my neighbor's only It's 15 feet from my house. Okay. So right next to me.

But you know your neighbor. And your neighbor's not going to go over there and destroy your property. If he or she does, y'all probably going to have prayer.

But I don't know the golfers. But I don't know the golfers who come out of my property.

But the golfers, you know, have a buffer. And they come into my yard, too, to get their ball or whatever to whatever. But. I'm glad that you want us to look at this. Thank you. Could we say that we go, I mean, we have to decide this. I think we need to go out there and look at these side streets and picture if this were your home and this was your oasis. Do you want somebody that close to you? And because you all, we can say we don't want parking spaces here. We have that ability to do that. And we could use some tutelage from you all as well. Or the best tutelage is the man I'm looking at is our police officer and our fire chief to give us some guidance. But at the end of the day, we've got to remember, what is it like if this were your home? And we created this. There was no parking there before. So a lot of these people bought these homes and the parking was not there. And they've got it.

in the front of their house they've got it on the side of their house and we've created this so could we i know the term broad brush was just used and i think if we're going to look at eliminating any parking spaces or all parking spaces on a street you need to look at it with a broad brush for the side streets um miss bachelor as you said uh i'm sorry miss bordeaux as you said it's not fair that there's parking on some side streets and not others. So if we remove parking on some side streets and not others, that's just as unfair. So I'd say it's all or none.

I'd like to say, to share with you what I observed today while I was over on the island, and that is people are stopping on those numbered streets and offloading their gear and their children and you know, whatever they're going to the beach with. If you eliminate those parking spaces and she, this family does have a legitimate, you know, concern there. If you eliminate those parking spaces, those spaces that are not for parking will definitely be used for loading and unloading. And if the problem is bad, it'll get much worse with that going on all day long. That's what something you got to take into consideration, you know, Like I say, we can remove them if you want, but we have to look to see what the result of that is going to be. Because what I observed today was two carloads of families stop, get on the right side of the roadway, and offload everybody. I think it was about eight of them that got out of two vehicles. And they were right on the edge of the roadway, stepped into the grass, went up on the grass, the whole nine yards. With the cars parked there... there is a little bit of a buffer and it gives them a break. I'm just explaining to you what I observed today. We have to think about how we're gonna resolve this.

Thank you for that. Would you consider like if we were to move, remove a spot that we put some kind of vegetation there that's not encroaching in their yard, but have some kind of vegetation there so that they wouldn't do what Mr. Arnold just explained?

We did... Provide for y'all a consideration to conduct a beach access plan, which would further review what your needs may be as it relates to access loading and unloading safety and emergency vehicle access. So, for for some, or all of the spaces, they could be considered in various ways and beautification and street scape design could be part of that.

Some of the repurposing of main street spots that. Public works and police are looking at are to. Use those as loading and unloading zones. Okay. Uh, so temporary drop offs, those sort of things, which would hopefully. Move those people off the side streets that want to unload.

Yeah, and I think that's a valid concern, Mr. Arnold, and I think we have talked amongst ourselves too when we were discussing the parking that some of those spots that can't be used, how do we repurpose them? And the loading and unloading definitely seems to be needed in areas because if not, they just stop in the middle of the road and unload everything. i mean literally we see it all i mean if you really watch it enough you see about every scenario the human nature scenario of what happens is kind of comical at some point but not good if it's your right by your house um So what's our plan to move forward on this? Are we going to all go out there and look at the spots? Are we going to say, I'm kind of with you, Ken, I agree that some of these spots are concerning and I think we can't, some are very concerning or on some of the streets it's not as impactful as in others, but why do you have it on one and not the other, the fairness thing? And throughout the rest of the island, we don't have that. And the other thing that I've noticed is since those have became one way, It is amazing if you sit there and watch for like 15 minutes even how many cars come down the wrong way street when they should not be coming down it. They are very short streets. They're called the half streets. So to me, the flow of that, people aren't even paying attention. I think they're all trying to find somewhere to park and get to the beach. They're not watching that it is a one-way street. And I mean, I could count 10 cars every time I'm out there for 10 minutes, I do it. So, and we don't have staffing to have somebody sitting there policing it all the time. So do we open them back up to how they were, where they weren't one-way streets also doing that, you know, things to discuss, but it does seem to be. And from a fire department perspective, Chief, I mean, I have been told that the fire truck cannot go down those streets with cars parked there. And I didn't know, I have not heard that from you, but I don't know what y'all, I've been told by some homeowners, oh, they said they're going to have to be this far away from my house. And I don't know if that's true because, you know, different people have I haven't heard anything from you, but I've heard this from residents telling me they've heard that from firemen, but whether that's true or not.

So what's your take on it? So we can make the turn. The problem is sometimes the cars are out in the road. They are. So if we have on the opposite side where there's a home, if there's cars really close on the driveway to the road there, or if the cars that are in the spaces are out, it's tight.

To me, that's a public safety concern, would you say? Mm-hmm. Because if you can't get your fire truck in there, your ladder truck's going to be needed. If there's truly a house fire on the island, we know how the winds are, everything else.

So you said, suppose somebody parks wrong. I've never gone over there and everybody's parked perfect. And the chance that this happens, I don't want to live my life on a chance like that. you're telling us that it is a concern and we didn't have parking before there before our parking whatever you call this parking plan we didn't have parking there and all of a sudden the parking spots appeared there and I too I mean I said that earlier in my remarks it just takes one person to lose a life out there or somebody's house to burn all the way down on something that we created that vulnerability and that's i would like for us to remove the side streets all together the side street park i don't want to remove side streets i want to remove the side street parking just for what you just said because that's very concerning excuse me go ahead i'm sorry if we decide that we're going to remove cars from parking on those streets

We have to put up no parking at any time for the residents as well. Because if their car is parked out there, the fire truck has the same issue. So it's got to be no parking on that street.

It can be not two-way. I mean, right now it's one-way. So it would open up to two-way if we wanted to do that. But I don't know about traffic flow. But that would alleviate that because nobody's going to park in the middle of the street.

No, but the people who decide they want to park out on the, if you wish, the right-of-way. Uh, they're during the same issue as people who are parking there under our parking plan. Well, if you're going to make it clear for those streets to be totally wide open. It's gotta be no parking on either side of the street.

Well, you know, we have the designated parking spaces. So that's not a designated part there. So they shouldn't be parking there anyway. And if they get a ticket, you give two or three people some tickets, they'll learn.

You see the complaints about them not parking.

They can park in their driveway like we all can. Anybody can that lives anywhere in town. It's kind of the same thing. You can park in their driveway. But if not, they've got to park in a designated parking spot.

That's right. We've couched it that way. Designated. How many times do we hear designated parking spot? A lot. And people have been, for the most part, I would say they've honored that. So they would have to learn. And I think that those folks that live on those side streets are going to be so appreciative. They're not going to take advantage of this. And if they do, they get a parking ticket and they'll learn. not to do that anymore.

There's an ordinance that states that there is no parking on side streets and it specifies the streets. When the council adopted the parking plan, they made an amendment to the side streets that currently have parking at this council. If you choose to eliminate the parking and wanted to go back to two way travel on the side streets, we'd have to amend those ordinances. It would be that simple.

I mean, you all heard what our fire chief said. And we would not be doing our duty to allow those parking spaces to stay there. And then later on, we have a fire. Somebody is hurt. Somebody is killed. Somebody's house is damaged because of our wanting to have parking spaces there. So I'm going to make a motion that we... do away with the side street parking spaces on 8th Street through 11th Street. That's my motion.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Any more discussion? All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Any opposed? Aye.

Move on next to your discussion item, golf cart permitted, Chief.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you, Lorna, for being here.

Thank you so much. Yes, thank you. You didn't want to stay.

This is simply for discussion. I don't expect any sort of action on this tonight. This is just to have a conversation about the possibility of permitting golf carts. This was brought to the Council June of 2021 as a consideration. North Carolina General Statute gives this council the authority to allow golf carts to operate on the roadways under a permit. What this would do for the residents of Sunset Beach that have a golf cart, it would allow them to operate under the conditions that you set, the times that you set. There's so many things that you would have the ability to control, such as the required equipment on the cart. And the homeowner, the taxpayer, would not have to annually apply for a license plate tag through the DMV. They would not have to pay property taxes. This town would set, or this council rather, would set the requirements for application for any fees that would be collected by the town for our inspections and for permitting. And My thoughts on this are that golf carts are slower, therefore they're safer as long as they're operated correctly. I see somebody shaking their head. If they're operated correctly and they use the required safety devices that are in them and they don't consume intoxicating beverages before they operate them, it's safer because they're slower. Does it create some... tension for automobiles that are trying to go over the bridge perhaps um but we're on vacation right we should slow down enjoy the view but this is just for discussion we have 90 golf cart spaces upwards of 90 golf cart spaces on main street 88 88 um that are not full their prime real estate. If we can encourage a vehicle that has a smaller footprint, that's not opening a door into a bicycle lane, that's not opening a door into a sidewalk to come to the island, I think this is an opportunity to do that. I talked with Jim Varner with Surfcast. They do our parking enforcement, and he said enforcing and permitting a permitted golf cart would be very simple. As long as there's a number that's associated with that permit, they can issue violations and they can issue permits. So if a resident wanted to register their automobile and one golf cart, They would give those two identification numbers to SURFCAST at the beginning of the season, and they'd be in the system for their two free permits. So as I mentioned, this is just simply a discussion. If this is something the council does want to consider, I would plan to bring this back for a future agenda item. This is something that would not go into effect this calendar year.

Can I ask a question? Absolutely. As part of the, if you wish, the police department, you're obviously going to issue the permits by looking at the vehicle. Correct. Will they be required to have seatbelts?

If the council chooses. Okay. My recommendation would be absolutely. They should have seatbelts.

So a golf cart... LSV were two different things. LSV has a 16-digit vehicle identification number, has all those safety features, the brake lights, reflector lights, the rearview mirror. What do you call it? I call it a horn, but whatever it's called, the thing that blows to denote somebody's in the way.

It's a horn, yep.

If, yeah, if, well, I was going to say toot the horn or blow the horn, I don't know which verb to use. But, so, why would we even, if we're going to have them to modify that, why would we encourage, even encourage that? I remember back in the day, and I mean back in the day like 20, 30 years ago, when communities, the planned communities wanted to have these. Their thing was that you need to get the 16 digit Then you need to get the low speed vehicle and they kind of outlawed the golf carts all together and Do we have a lot of people that are wanting this? Because as a state, we kind of moved away from this, and I know you referenced some towns that have it, but their beach land is a whole lot different. Their configuration of their town is different than ours. We do have that bridge. that even the LSVs are slow. So do we have a lot of people that are asking for this, or how did this germinate?

We don't. We don't have a lot of people that have asked for it. One of the things that you could do, and I'll get to the second part of your question, but one of the things that we could do is we could say that the permitted golf carts can't operate after dusk. So if you think about the dangers of the golf carts and our LSVs that we see now and how they're operated after dark, this is something that if they were permitted, the council would could direct that at dusk there to be parked. Unless it has a plate on it, then it can't be operated. How did this germinate was the question. We have all those parking spaces on Main Street that we cannot use for anything else other than golf cart and motorcycle parking. They're not ideal for motorcycles as a motorcycle rider. I cannot park parallel in that spot, and likely my kickstand's gonna get buried in those stones. but to encourage golf carts to utilize those spaces, I thought this was an opportunity to perhaps follow what the general statute allows. And if this council sees fit, then folks would save a little bit of money in property tax as well.

Is the LSB use, is there a reason we wouldn't just encourage that? I guess I did not realize until reading all this in the packet, the difference between golf cart and the lsv i guess i guess i thought they were um one because a lot i know are tagged they're inspected they're all of that so i i don't own a golf cart so i didn't know but i you know i know I've been on plenty. So I didn't really realize the, the difference. Um, obviously, um, I know, I know, um, obviously from reading all this information now I do, which was very helpful. Um, I guess, is there a huge price difference in the golf carts from the LSV golf carts?

I mean, I don't know that.

There is dispatcher. Um, cause it's a very, it's a nicer, um, I'm gonna call it a ride. It's a nicer ride. Yeah. Um, I don't know why we would want to even introduce this to our community. It's going to be a slower vehicle. It only goes up to 20 miles an hour. We've got to buy decals. It's not going to have a license tag, so we've got to have something. And Surfcast or Otto or whoever they are, they could do this, but it's going to come to a price to us. We're not going to win anything of it. we live in a very nice community and these golf carts excuse me the lsvs are very nice they're very safe they have all the features that i just mentioned if somebody's going to take a golf cart that they bought at a golf course and soup it up or modify it or whatever it is why would they just not buy the true lsv and seems like we would want to encourage them to buy that because it's safer than trying to modify something and it doesn't pass inspection or if it's on the borderline and then it breaks somewhere during the next inspection and then we've created somebody to be unsafe lsvs cost about more than twice as much of a golf cart because of the safety features you're having and it's there are a lot of things on it but uh

And also you got to look at the speed limit. Golf carts are going 11, 12 miles an hour if they're lucky, depending on their batteries.

So up the bridge, they're probably going five.

Well, I'll tell you, yeah.

Introducing that kind of mix in our roadways to me would be unsafe for our community. People get, they might be on vacation. They might be retired, but we do get impatient sometimes.

I would have less of a problem if Sunset Beach was one big island. But coming over that bridge and being five to eight miles slower than the speed limit on a car, forces those cars to try to go around you. And I'm just, I would be, I'm not for it.

I have that concern as well. And the one thing that jumped out to me the most on page 105 of our agenda, The waiver for liability, it says each owner will have proof of ownership, liability insurance, and a completed waiver of liability releasing the county, state, town from liability that may arise as a result of an operation of a golf cart inside the entity. The documents must be at the golf cart at all times while in operation on public roads. So I don't know if that's because to me that was concerning that that to be there to release us as a liability what if it's not in there and does it open us up as a town to safety obviously safety concerns like you expressed Mr. Posdell but also liability for the town and to me I understand Chief Claymore your reason for this I think we want to get people We wanna get our residents using the spots that are the, what I've always called golf carts, LSV spots, but I guess they're really LSV motorcycle spots only. I guess I've just always thought it one and the same myself, but because those are the spots closest to the beach and unfortunately due to the NCDOT, they have to be golf carts there. um or lsv spots yeah we're calling them the wrong things because so i don't should our signs even say lsv instead of golf course i mean and just so anyway just the final point on this whole thing is that we say sunset beach residents but we got a lot of etj

that are going to be out there that may have called Carson to the same thing. Do we extend that to them? And it's another issue. I don't know. I'd wait another year before I'd even entertain it because I think more and more people are getting LSVs. That certainly populated my neighborhood. And I think it's slowly we're going to fill them up.

That's all I have to say. You say that, let me ask you this question. So we had a lot of conversation here about crossing the bridge, vehicles going five, eight miles per hour. If I'm 20 miles under the speed limit, am I not impeding traffic? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

The speed limit's 35 over the bridge, so it could be argued that some of the LSVs that are licensed by the state of North Carolina are impeding traffic.

Okay.

And I see the LSVs move over to the side. I watch vehicles cross over the double yellow line to get around those LSVs, which they should not do. So there's no perfect scenario short of, there's no perfect scenario.

Yeah, I just wanted to ask that question. I wasn't sure what it was in North Carolina. All right.

Let's move on then to our, you got something else? Nope. Okay. RFQ roll call, roll cart services. Mr. Clymer.

Mr. Mayor, thank you. What you had before you is a request for qualifications that we're asking for the council to approve so that we can advertise for a roll cart service for the town. And as the background says, this would give the residents the option to sign up for a roll cart service through the town, which would be facilitated by town staff. The way I picture this is, And we do have a vendor that submitted an unofficial quote. It's nothing that we asked for. They just gave us a breakdown of their services and gave us a price of what they would charge. And they are offering quite a discount if the entire town is available to get on this program. So our thought is if we can do this, facilitate it through the town, that residents would have the opportunity to sign up. before the end of the year, say November, and we then would collect the payment, similar to what we do with recycling, send a spreadsheet and the payment to the firm that's selected, and then beginning January 1 on the calendar year, those services would begin. And residents then again would have the opportunity to sign back up Sometime during that calendar year for the next year, and this would be a services available for every resident of sunset beach. Not just to select.

Thank you for pulling all this together with public works. Thank you. Vicky prior to the other hard decision we had to make about the rollback service. Um, you know, we wanted to have an option for residents to look at, um. And I definitely feel like what other towns do, this could save our residents money if they choose to have the service versus paying directly. One question I had reading through it was, what would our plan be if somebody builds a house and they move in, let's say in March, and they You know, do they have to wait till November or will the vendor allow them to contact them directly to get added on or is that something the town would do? Same thing with the new build or if somebody buys, because as we know, properties are always changing hands throughout the year. So to me, we would like for them to get on that program. Is that something we could administer maybe monthly to send them an updated list to charge? Or is it something they would need to contact the vendor directly for? I do feel like we need to make sure and offer maybe somehow in our quote, get, can they do that capability so that we can get our residents the service they need? Kind of just like their trash being picked up.

Ms. Banks on page 161. It does specify that they can't add. And I think we would want to make sure that they have that. That is afforded to them because we wouldn't want to penalize somebody. And also needs ebbs and flow. I noticed that too, the contract term.

Yeah. And I didn't know if we had specifics, like if you lived here and you have that option, but if you're new, like say if you're a new resident and you're just moved here, just built, then you can sign up outside of the frame possibly. Could be any reason.

It could. Somebody's husband or wife gets a job somewhere else and you're not here as much. And you have to relocate. I mean, what are they going to do? We sure don't want them having to.

I did have a conversation with a different vendor that came to the lobby to talk about this. And in our, again, unofficial conversations, if our sign-up period is October 1st through November 30th and somebody misses that or they have a build and they don't move in until March, they just contact the vendor directly. sign up with the vendor, any vendor. If they want to get on the town's program, then they will get on that at the next program.

Could we, on page 61, the contract term, could we delete that where it says no additions or service changes will be permitted after sign-up date has closed? I mean, since you had side conversation, but could we somehow... do y'all agree that that may be burdensome to a homeowner if they have a change of condition how do we do recycling do we allow additions to recycling throughout the year just for new builds do we want to follow suit with what we do with recycling but recycling is a different thing um if you're not there Are you wanting it to be consistent with recycling? And we don't allow anybody.

I'm just thinking of the time that staff's going to spend if we allow monthly changes. If somebody wants to add and take off and if they're only here for three months and they want to have trash service for three months. So they sign up and then they withdraw and then three months later they want to sign back up. I'm just...

We don't do a pro rata share, but we could.

Are they going to pay for the year or are they going to be billed monthly? How is that going to work?

They're going to pay for the year.

That's what I thought. But I thought it said in here no refunds. So to me, if you pay for the year, you wouldn't cut it off because I don't know why you would.

That's on 161 as well.

Yeah, that's what it said, no prorated refunds.

I mean, we'll gladly change it to whatever direction this board gives.

My concern is if a new build or somebody buys a house in our community, to me, you need to give them the opportunity to do that, whether it be through the town or whether it be they can contract the vendor directly to get at it and they pay for that until our contract starts back. You know, I think just if we're sending out this request to the vendors, it would be good to have it in there to say, you know, will you allow we would like to residents to be able to con is there a way for them to contact you directly? And I don't know if this process is going to be Vicki, where they come in through the port, are they going to come in through a portal to sign up or are you, I didn't know the full process. Okay.

Yeah, it'll be online.

So really it'd be kind of an online report or something that could be pulled yearly. That one will be done. And then maybe monthly one could be pulled possibly. to add or not? I mean, just talking through it, what would make sense. But for recycling, how do you do that now with recycling? If somebody is a new build, how do you know to add them in? Is that through the portal they come through to do it? So could it be a similar report?

I think a new build should be able to sign up either through the vendor or through us. for the remaining of the year that they have and then go on town normal registration. But I don't think we should in any way encourage people to say, I'll sign up for three months, go off for three months because I'm going to Europe and I'm coming back for three months. Because that's too crazy. Sign up for a year.

And if you don't want it, Or if you cancel it, your contract's over and then you would have to repay to it or whatever.

We're saying a new bill. What about somebody that's a new homeowner for that particular home?

I think it should be for both. You buy a house or a new build.

And it's for the year, right? So whether they want to come, ebb and flow, let them ebb and flow, let them do whatever they want to do. They're paying for the year. They can notify the vendor, this is when I need the service, this is when I

Well, if the can isn't out there, they're not going to be able to push it back, so it just goes out to the next house.

Yeah, they really wouldn't need to contact the vendor, I would think. What do you think? Do you think that's too much or too quick? Okay.

So we're just wanting to remove that from the RFP.

The contract terms?

Yes, sir.

Remove all of it?

Well, the, the 1st sentence, no additions or service changes will be permitted. After sign update is closed, right? Okay. Leave the following sentence that reads cancellations are permitted at any time. However, no prorated refunds will be issued.

And I think then it will be up to the vendor to to determine, are they just going to do a price for the year? No matter when you hop in or not, you know, that might be a way to also discourage it. You hop in. and sign up to start January 1, if you hop in in March, you may pay the same amount, you pay the same amount, so that make, you know, hate to say it, but drive behavior so that it's covered.

Well, let's let the vendor decide. Exactly.

And they decide the cost of how they do it.

We'll find all that out when we get our review. Our job here tonight is to decide. Right. Let's get our review.

We're going to take some of the language out of our Q&A.

But our thing is here, just if it's a new build or somebody new to Sunset Beach, that is your only option to add in later. Correct. Okay. Because we don't want that going on all the time. I would like to make a motion that we if there's no other comments that we approve sending this out for bid.

I don't know if we need a... I think we need something. I think we just need to have a consensus to go ahead and send it out to where we can get back. Everybody's on board with it.

Yep. Yep. Yep. We'll let the staff put out that.

Thank y'all.

All right. Next up is our ordinance amendment, no through trucks on certain streets.

Mr. Mayor, at the last meeting we changed an ordinance to prohibit through trucks on 6th Street. On further investigation, there are the following streets that are signed that through trucks are prohibited. There's no ordinance language. I'm just asking council to adopt language. for Park Road between Sunset Boulevard and Shoreline East, Shoreline Drive East between Park Road and Sunset Boulevard, and Clubhouse Road between Shoreline West and Old Georgetown Road.

Mr. Klamer, if somebody were to go down one of those roads and the sign is there, what happens to that driver of that truck?

They could be cited under general statute.

And is it a penalty that you all issue financially? It's just like a ticket.

They would go to court. They would receive a court date.

And a truck, how is it defined?

That's a good question. It's not going to be easy to define. So it's not a pickup. It's not like a pickup like I drive. It's more of a commercial motor vehicle, if it will. So like a FedEx vehicle is classified as a truck.

So an AT trailer, all of that. Should we specify that in the ordinance, define what a truck is? I mean, I think it would be a weight limit, DOT. Mr. Arnold, you work for DOT. Would it be a weight limit?

Well, what I was going to say was if we didn't say truck, we'd just say commercial vehicle.

So would that be a mail truck?

Mm-hmm.

Could be a UPS truck, could be, you know.

The mailman.

FedEx, not the mailman, because the mailman drives like the van or the personal vehicle that they are hired to do that through, but a larger vehicle. That's what I'm saying, a commercial vehicle. Because when you say trucks, the word trucks is so broad. If I own a pickup truck, am I not allowed to drive on the street? It doesn't tell me that. That's what I'm saying. I feel it should be something that says commercial vehicle.

DOT will have a standard on what a truck is, yes.

Under GS20-4.01, a truck is formally classified as a vehicle carrying commercial license plate that is designed or used to transport property or passengers. It says this legal definition explicitly excludes personal pickup trucks and passenger vans. So that goes into commercial motor vehicles, talking about the gross vehicle weight rating, vehicle weight classifications, roadway restrictions, and so on.

Is there support up here to add that language, that general statute to our ordinance so it's clearly denoted what it is?

Do you want that in ordinance?

It can't hurt to put it in our ordinance. We're going to follow what's in general statute, but we can do so.

I think it would be good to define it because that's the question I had is what classifies it as a truck. And I would say driving these three different roads as well as the 6th Street and North Shore East from North Shore East to 6th Street. You know, there's a sign that says no through trucks. But you're kind of like right, like on OU 6th Street, for example, in North Shore East. So when you come on the island and you make the left on North Shore East, you're coming down. The sign is almost where you get to the bend in the road where Riverside cuts off before you go. It's there saying no through trucks. That's the only one I saw there. So that truck, if there's a commercial truck, it came all the way down there. And then where is it going to turn around at? is my one question. And when I drove some of these other streets as well, it's kind of like if you've already turned in a, you know, like park here, you've already turned in to the start of it when you see that one sign there. Kind of, you know, it's kind of that way at the different ones. I don't know if we... I know me personally, I never even noticed those signs and I've driven those roads many times. I don't know if we need some sort of bigger, if we truly don't want these commercial trucks there, I feel like we're going to need better signage or something. Because to me, you almost can miss them even when I'm driving out there looking for them. It's like, oh, there it is. And it's like, if I'm driving a truck down there, where are you even going to turn the truck around that? And I don't, I mean, I think some of these have been there a long time, so it's, we're cleaning up the stuff, but I don't know if y'all rode around to look at these to see where they were, but that was my observation is. I didn't know there was no through trucks there. And it sounds like they've been there a while on most of these, but I know Sixth Street, they're going from North Shore. I don't know where a truck's gonna turn around. And some of these other roads, it's not a good place where you almost need at the beginning when they're coming on, something more that alerts them. And also there's the enforcement thing. I mean, do we ever give tickets on this? And obviously I've seen many trucks on some of these roads.

This isn't that simple. If we just see a truck on that street, for example, clubhouse between shoreline and old Georgetown, literally has to drive through.

Right.

So there's a lot of places they could pull off and an officer has to follow them. So as far as the placement of signage, any street that is signed as, as a note, as a no truck through truck street, the proper placement of that sign is on that street where that, prohibition takes place. So the sign that we have on North Shore is further ahead than where it really should be. But it's to give that courtesy to the driver before they get down on the 6th Street. So if we want to do North Shore Drive, the problem is if we start giving advance warning, then we're just making more and more Real estate, if you will, mileage of roadway that, uh. Is prohibited for truck traffic and I don't know that that's the intention.

I can tell you, it's not my intention, but then you've got the difference with the trucks that are going to deliver something versus the through trust.

Correct. And they would qualify as a through as a through truck.

If they're just going to drop off a refrigerator and going back, it's not a through truck. Correct.

How do your guys, or excuse me, your staff, how do they know that it's not doing that? I mean, they have to go follow them?

They'd have to follow them. Yep.

Yeah.

Well, even at the clubhouse, there's so many roads off a clubhouse. To me, it's very – I could see if I was a delivery driver out there in a truck, how are you going to know? And to me, they've always kind of – I mean, I see trucks through there all the time.

It's more of a voluntary compliance as it is a proactive enforcement, and it gives us teeth if somebody would complain. If they say every morning this – whatever truck drives through the street and it just cuts through every single morning. It gives us teeth because otherwise there's no prohibition against driving on the street where this then gives us teeth.

One question I have for you, Chief. Sunset at sunset, the bus route that brings the people to it, to the event, they get on Shoreline Drive East and go all the way down and make the left onto... the end of 904 and then head back to Sunset Boulevard that way. Will this prevent them from doing that?

I don't know that that would be tagged as a truck. It's a for hire vehicle. It depends on the gross vehicle weighting of that bus, the weight of that bus, whether or not it would qualify. Okay. And one thought is that if we add the general statute language, if there's a change in the general statute, we currently don't have general statute language anywhere in our ordinances. We do have definitions, very simple definitions, but not word for word general statute anywhere in our code of ordinances.

Do you have the history on how those signs originated to be on those streets? I do not know. Your staff, you and your staff just riding around and you saw the sign and you noticed there was no ordinance. It would be good to know though, why are we having to do this? I mean, how did it come? I understand how it came about the signs there and we don't have an ordinance.

Right.

But do we have other areas in Sunset Beach that need to have these streets as well? That's where I was going with this. Did you know the history behind it?

No, I don't. But I would venture to guess that somebody complained and then the sign appeared. So the option is we either remove the sign or to effectively enforce it, there should be an ordinance that says this street is designated as no through trust. And it's currently not. So, I guess those are the options before either adopt the ordinances or direct staff to remove the signs in these 3 roads.

Do you feel like. In your, if you were deciding today, if I didn't already have signs up there, would you be promoting them to get assigned to say no through trucks or not?

Those streets are, I mean, those, those are used as cut through areas. They are so I would not want. large, those heavy vehicles, just using those streets as cut-through streets. Okay. So I support it. It's difficult to enforce. It is. I'm not going to lie to you about it. Like I said, it gives us teeth. So if someone complains that lives on that road that says this particular vehicle every day at 7 a.m. is cutting through, then we've got something that we can say, shouldn't have did that.

Is it fair to say it would be a deterrent? The sign there is a deterrent you know, the guys and girls that are delivery people. They would see that sign, so they kind of change their behavior for that.

Most of your CDL drivers are going to comply. The other ones, I'd hope it would be a deterrent.

It was a pleasure, counsel, in regards to this.

Let's see the ordinance with the with the As stated with the state general statute.

Is it with or without, I'm sorry?

With the, with the, with. Let's put teeth in it, at least that much.

We can vote on it next time.

We need to have a motion to table it.

Motion to table it until next meeting, August 3rd.

I'll second your motion.

Any discussion?

All in favor. All right. Next up will be our, uh, ordinance adoption for a cash free transactions. Go ahead. Yeah.

That's the smear. And this is, uh, it's typo on the agenda that ordinance. It's not an ordinance that we're asking you to adopt. This is more of a policy to. Direct us not to accept cash anymore for Tom related payments. We take cash now for things such as event permits, building permits, fingerprinting, and paper copies. And we're just asking that we go cash free.

What would we charge now for, say, if I were to pay for something? Would you charge me the merchant fee?

For a credit card? Yes, sir. We do.

For a check?

There's no fee for a check.

And what about debit?

The same fee applies as it would for a credit card.

The 3%.

Is it 3? 2.5? 2.9?

Do y'all take any other payment? Apple Pay? Anything like that?

Can we tap? Yes.

What would we do if we have a breach? Power outage? Another disaster like a COVID situation and we have an ordinance that says that we go cashless, then we have to meet again to undo the ordinance. Cash is the cheapest form of payment. How much cash do we take in? Is it a lot?

Very little. Very, very little.

But you audit it twice a day? Or you count it twice a day?

Often we audit it. Often do. Twice a day. Twice a day.

One in the morning and in the afternoon.

Yes. Okay.

You have every day somebody comes in with cash?

No, I don't think not every day.

But you take it to the bank immediately that day.

We do.

It doesn't sit here. If you receive it.

If you receive it. One concern I have, I know in some of the fees are very small. Let's say if you do a 10 cent copy or if you do something that's whatever it is whatever it is something little um you know some cards won't process small amounts like that um so how are you going to handle something like that i don't know if y'all ran into that um but some won't process them because some of those things are small dollar amounts i guess um And I don't know about y'all, but I don't really use checks anymore. I mean, a lot of people don't use checks anymore. I know my children, they don't even have checks. Like the youth of today, everything's electronic or cash, you know. I don't have an answer for the small transaction. The cards I have will charge a dime.

Cashless. Who takes the money to the bank? A police officer?

Yes.

So that's kind of a good will for a police officer to go to a bank. I mean, it's a way that we can interface with the community too. I'm not for cashless. I think there are people out there that want to use cash. They may not, for whatever reason, may not believe in using a credit card, a debit card, a check, whatever. This has been discussed, too, at the general legislature level a lot. It also has had bills. They pass. Sometimes they forget about them. They just leave them there. If we have a power outage, say, for a week, and somebody's got to pay something, cash sure does work quickly, and you don't have the disruption.

have a nice generator so we're usually under power as long as we have diesel fuel we're we're running i know for me i do not want to charge taxpayers a three percent or 2.9 percent fee if um if their only option other option is check if they couldn't pay by cash that would kind of be my concern with that is giving them the option and not having to pay um they obviously could write a check but what if you know you're down here don't have a check and you need to do something and um i don't know i just think checks are also kind of going out but I feel like cash will always be king for now.

I don't want to get in the weeds, but just in case somebody gets their credit card stolen or lost and they have to get a new one and there's a timely payment that needs to be paid up here. If they don't have the cash offering, we don't want them to have a hiccup with that.

Hello.

Let this one die. No motion, we just let it die. I think that's pretty much what y'all are saying, right? I'm cash king, so.

I mean, I like cash. We know you are.

Cash is the only way to deal, but it is what it is.

If y'all don't want to go forward with this, let's just drop it.

There's no sense to keep beating the dead horse. All right, disposition of directives. We've got the public hearing on August 3rd with Mr. Satterfield, legislative updates. Also, updated version of the rules of procurement on August 3rd, and no through trucks. That with the general statute coming back up for August 3rd. Anything else that needs to be added as of right now?

I have something.

Go ahead.

You know, we approved a budget last month, and a large expenditure there is going to be on roads. I know we asked for that to be on this agenda for the 1st of July. It wasn't there. Can we have a commitment that those roads will be identified and also with the roads also have the RFP ready for us to approve so that it can go out for advertisement the next day? The next thing is the ERC rules. I've mentioned this before, but the The membership is nine and our rules say seven. I think that just needs to be cleaned up. But if it needs to come before council, let's do it. But I think it just, Mayor, it just needs for you to sign. I think that's an easy thing. Records retention policy. I don't know when we've done one of those as a town, but I would like, if it's, we don't have one, I'd like to get one. If we have one, I'd like for you to distribute that.

We follow guidance from the state with the record retention policy.

Will you distribute that to the council so that we can see that? And then muni code was something that was brought up in the budget that we went ahead and approved that. But we need to have a staff person who is tasked with ensuring that the muni code is updated because we passed different ordinances and it has not been updated since 2023 um so can you have a report to us in august as to who is going to be that staff person um and also with the council connect which was the portal that we used to have um i asked two council meetings ago who is tasked with who on staff is tasked with doing that could you give us a report on the council connect and the way that miss bachelor and i set it up with our deputy clerk was it was a way for the citizens where whoever they are um they didn't have to be taxpayers they could be anybody could interface with us, give us information, but that if it were something that needed staff attention, that you all, whoever the staff person is tasked with being this person, would say, this is what your concern was, put us on an email thread so that we see what the concern is as well as what the resolve was. Could you help us with that? Because we have a lot of back and forth. I know I send something to you, and then a little while later, I see Ms. Batchelor sending something. We see all this, and it's a lot of traffic, and I think if somebody puts a comment in the portal, if somebody sends us an email, they deserve some type of answer. It may not be what they want to hear or read, but I think that they need to have And we need to know what we're doing with these comments because I feel like some of us are chasing each other with trying to ensure that that person gets an answer. So, we put that on the, we can, I just.

Not to get into it now, but just, I guess clarification. Are you looking to streamline it? So that there's 1 point of contact 1 person sending the responses because I know now. There will be multiple responses that go to a resident about 1 question they bring up.

I have a suggestion. I have a suggestion for that is if, and we can work together on this, but I feel like whenever something comes into the portal, we get notified. If you've set up your notifications, you get a notification that one came in. I know me, if I'm on my laptop, I can easily click on it and do stuff and cut and paste it from the spreadsheet into an email. But if I'm on my phone, I can't really do, you know, do it. But if there's a way we can automate it, I feel like if something comes in to council where that request can then be sent to us all at one time in one email. So that way we're addressing it that way. We know it's addressed because I feel like the problem is in the spreadsheet. It's not being assigned or updates put in on the items. So I feel like that because I feel like everybody's better at the, you know, it coming in the email that way we all get it. And however, it's being addressed, we're all copied on it to see the responses is how I like the flow of that would be better. Because if not, the way some things are sent and we don't can't always copy everybody. It can come from staff to us and then we can be updated from you on what's there and then we can. That would be my suggestion. And that a way it is handled and covered. And sometimes people want a response back from us and sometimes they don't. But I feel like the last month, I know for me, I have three pages of stuff I still need to call people back because I always try to. But we had so many requests come in when C-Trail sent out the thing for the roads to contact us. It was a lot. And as y'all kind of know, about every phone call you have, it ends up being an hour conversation. It's I feel like if we could get some of that in email or because if not, we're I know me, I'm having to go copy it and I almost have to be at my laptop to do it.

So that would be my Christian. I'm wondering if somehow between the six of us, if you wish seven when a subject matter comes in. to designate one particular console person to respond to that versus everybody sending a response to the same person and we may have a little different nuance to each of them.

We definitely could. One thing, I like the concept of the category. We think we may know the answer up here and we may not know the answer and then we miss spread information. I'm going to just say it goes to the deputy clerk. The deputy clerk reads it. She sees, oh, this is a street thing, street concern. It goes to public works. This is a stormwater. Oh, it goes to public works. Oh, this is a public safety. It goes to Mr. Kramer. Oh, this is somebody's having a fire hazard at their home. It goes to the police chief. I'm sorry, the fire chief. And then you send it to them and you copy all of us so that whoever the staff person is the department head will will answer the question we all see the answer we know then it's also a way for us to learn things um but that means means that miss rigsby is going to be the point of contact and she's going to take it and siphon it off to someone to a department head copying all of us and then every time you answer you hit reply all But we've set this up, and this is the way it was set up to do originally. And we're six months into it, and it's 300 comments, and I know I've responded to at least 290. And I don't mind doing it. But then Mr. Arnold's doing some, Ms. Batchelor's doing some, Mr. Brown's doing some, Mr. Puzzle's doing some, and we're all... We want to hear from our public, and we want them to have an answer too, because some folks have said, I'm not going to say that. They need to have an answer. If they take the time to go on the portal, somebody on staff needs to direct it to a department head. And if it's something that they can't answer, then it's a simple comment. Appreciate your comment. Because some of them just want to be heard.

Some of them want an answer.

So we're looking to you to denote somebody on staff to be the point person. And when we set it up, we thought it was going to be Ms. Rigsby, but perhaps it will be you. I don't know.

We will address it and bring it back.

Wonderful. Thank you. Are you done? Yes, ma'am.

Okay. I had some of the same. Definitely the road thing. I was hopeful that we would see the roads. I'm getting a lot of questions about the roads, which roads, when does it happen, you know, all that. So I think the roads, and I don't know if there's a way for the roads. Plan for us to even if that's close to being done, or what I know, I was told it was pulled from this agenda because it wasn't ready yet. But if it's ready now are going to be ready sooner before our August meeting, if we could even be Senate, so we can review it because some of this material, it's a lot to review when you get it right prior to the meetings. And that's going to be a hot. Topic 1 or. for us to see what it is it's kind of the same with the land use plan i thought we were going to see have that presented today and um the what was coming from our contract company for that anchor point so to me if they have that if they could go ahead and thin that once that's ready so we're not just receiving it right before the meeting so we can review that because there is so much material we're given before this And the other one to add on was I would like to add the 6th Street discussion. We had some things where we added in a stop sign there at Canal and 6th Street. And I'm still hearing from a lot of residents that it's not really helping and I think where it is down so close to Main Street, you know, it's kind of at the end where a lot are cutting off on Canal or, you know, Different scenarios, I know chief, you have you had shared some of those I've shared with residents as you can imagine the perspectives on that very widely as you can imagine. We still discuss last time to stop putting stop signs at Riverside and 6th street. putting stop signs there. That's the one thing I've heard the most about that people seem to be in unity on. They feel like that would at least slow them down there to stop before they take off on down six. So I don't know if we need to have discussion. I do feel like it's important to be able to gain feedback from the residents on it and anybody that drives that stretch of road, I guess. So I wanted to see if we could add that.

I forgot one. We've had this on the deposition of directives since about January is a non-residential building code. And Ms. Batchelor earlier commended our code enforcement officer on her great work, and I echo that. But could we have an update on the property that's across the park that's the eyesore that's been there an eyesore for about two decades. I know there's some work done there, but I think our public would like to hear what's being done thus far, what the constraints are. I think that they look at that and they don't understand. I think they deserve an explanation of the constraints that were under the town and what we can do. So I renew that. It's been on there for a while, and I'd like to see that on the August agenda. Thank you.

All right.

That's it. We'll open up at public comments. If anybody has any public comments.

Chris Bowman for 1740. The only thing about stop signs, I thought that there was a stop sign previously approved by the NCDOT for Maine at 40th. I'm not sure if that's still on the docket or not. There's a lot of traffic there. A lot of people come whipping around the corners and there are blind spots with all the... That area gets a lot of use with handicapped people, people with wagons, which is great. And you can't see real good from both directions. So I don't know if that's still on the docket. And then my other thing was, this has to be regarding a vote tonight. I wasn't sure when you guys voted on, did you vote to remove parking spots from 7th Street also, or was the motion just 8th through 11th? Thank you.

Anyone else? Comments? Last call. Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting?

Chief, can you address or you want to address the question?

I'm happy to. So the 40th Street NCDOT didn't give us guidance on a stop sign because it's coming off of our property. I don't support a stop sign there. There's so many complaints from the people who live there on Main Street about congestion. And then we're going to add a stop sign, which is going to create what? It's going to create congestion, so I don't support it. That's why there's no stop sign there, unless this council feels otherwise. What was the second part of your question was the ordinance adoption, and it was 8th through 11th. We have parking on 7th? Yes. We missed 7th.

So in order to do that through Robert's Rules of Order, somebody on the prevailing side needs to reissue the motion, and I'll be glad to do that if the mayor calls me to do that, because I looked at, and I only saw 8 through 11. I did not see 7. I'm sorry I didn't catch it, but I'm glad somebody in the audit's called it.

So I'm glad somebody called that.

Thank you. Mr. Mayor, and I'm going to change some of my motion as well, too. Because I forgot to talk about it's a one-way street, and do we want to do it two-way streets? So before I make my motion, do we want to make it two-way street? It's a one-way street now. To validate your point, to make sure people aren't parking there, do we want it to be a two-way street?

I'd like to drive those streets another time before I make that comment.

Right.

And visualize it as a one- or two-way.

I'd like to make a motion that we have no parking on 7th Street through 11th Street on the island. That we remove those spots immediately.

Second. I'll second it. Any discussion?

My only thing is do we say immediately meaning when public work can work it into their schedule where it doesn't have to be like done does that make sense they're not going to do it tonight right but i mean yeah i i think the understanding is that uh all right it may not be as soon as it can work out yeah and we got to put the signs up

as well, because some people are used to, some people enjoy parking there, so we'll have to put signs back up as soon as practical.

So you got a motion. Did you have a second? Who had a second? I had a second. Any more discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Motion to adjourn this meeting.

Motion to adjourn meeting. Do I have a second?

Second.

Any discussion?

All in favor?

Aye.