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uh good evening let's call to order the special planning commission meeting study session um of 03 23 20 26 march 22nd 23rd 2026 The city doesn't tolerate disruptive behavior in our meetings. The planning commission meeting is considered a limited public forum, which means the commission can regulate the time, place, and manner of speech. Speaker comments must be limited to the agenda item being considered by the commission. If a speaker's comments are not related to an agenda item, the planning officer will rule their speaker out of order. A speaker will not be ruled out of order because of a disagreement with the content of their speech. Location and online meeting details are available on the Planning Commission agenda. Use the show caption button to view captions on Zoom. Following the study session, the regular Planning Commission meeting will begin at 7 p.m. I mean, or depending on when we finish this meeting. We encourage the public to stay tuned and participate in the regular meeting. Recording officer, may we please have the roll call?

Commissioner Cerrone? Present. Commissioner Cerrone?

Present.

Commissioner Davis?

Present.

Commissioner Fagoni?

Present. Sorry about that.

Vice Chair Shukla?

Present.

Commissioner Pine?

Present.

Commissioner Segura? Present. We have six commissioners present and Chair Iglesias absent.

thank you moving on to our item 25-0363 proposed project draft lower density residential objective design standards that will update and replace the existing single family home design techniques um is there a staff report

yeah good evening planning commissioners my name is astha ashish i'm a senior planner and we have a staff presentation today and i'll be just walking you through the updates we made to the lower density residential objective design standards Just to give you a little bit of background, these standards are proposed to replace the single-family home design techniques, which are the existing guidelines for single-family and two-family projects in Sunnyvale. These guidelines were originally adopted in January 2003, and at the time of adoption, it also included creation of floor area ratio thresholds for Planning Commission design review. The update for the single family home design techniques, it was sponsored through city council study issue paper CDD 2001 and as part of that talent group was finalized as the project consultant in 2022. Just to give you an overview of where we are in the process and timeline, there was originally a community outreach meeting and planning commission study session conducted back in 2022. We released our first public draft on December 12th last year. We had a planning commission study session on January 12th where we introduced the draft and got your feedback. Today's session is follow up of the feedback we received from you. uh we also released the updated public draft last week on March 18th and uh this project is scheduled for planning Commission hearing on April 27th and City Council hearing on June 2nd This is an overview of the feedback we receive from you. So it seems you're generally supportive of the flexibility which was built in the standards and reduced thresholds. There were some concerns about some of these design standards being arbitrary. You also planning Commission also requested requested us to reconsider the definition of neighborhood. Clarify the requirements for architectural styles which were not incorporated in the standards. Evaluate the list of prohibited materials. Review the exceptions more closely and update photographs in Appendix A, which was the architectural style guide. Based on the feedback we have made updates, we have worked closely with dalin to propose updates and in the next few slides i'll be walking you through the details of that. the first one was the update is about the neighborhood definition so originally the neighborhood included all the parcels that were located on the same block of the subject property facing the street and also sharing the parcels line parcel lines with the subject property so that definition was built upon the existing neighborhood definition in single family home design technique based on the feedback we have expanded this definition to include all the parcels that are within 300 feet radius, which is same as the standard noticing radius for design reviews. And this would include all the parcels that have same zoning designation and type of dwelling as the subject parcel. Also, just to note, the neighborhood definition only applies to two design standards. So it only applies to second to first floor ratio for two-story homes and entry door orientation. Next, we also looked closely at the prohibited exterior material, and we removed three materials from that list to allow for more flexibility for the homeowners. So the materials that are removed include forkstone or brick, foam on the garage elevation, and exterior insulation and finishing systems. Next, we evaluated the exceptions more closely. So as you may recall, the document allows for exception from certain design standards, numerical design standards, and these exceptions allow a maximum of 25% deviation from these standards. uh we are proposing that staff level permits which include building permits and staff level design review that allow for a maximum of two exceptions and for planning commission level reviews a maximum of three exceptions based on your feedback we looked closely at the exceptions and we are proposing to remove four of the standards from the list as these are related to the building massing uh and these include second to first floor ratio ground floor plate height second floor plate height and roof spans next we uh evaluated we looked at all the design standards and we are proposing removal of these standards so we are proposing to remove the alternative compliance for second floor windows and balconies and decks using screening trees related to that we are proposing to remove appendix P, which is the recommended list of screening trees and plants. We're also removing further standards that include standards related to maximum height above front elevation roof, walkways, additional parking spaces, and lighting color. Lastly, based on your written and oral comments, we made updates to the documents. We made the required corrections and added definitions. There was also concern about the photographs in Appendix A. So we did try to mostly use Sunnyvale local examples in the document as much as possible. and uh some of these projects like the one you see on the screen here they were part of a use permit and special development permit application which allowed for some deviations so they although they don't meet all the zoning requirements uh we still feel that these are useful reference for the architectural design style therefore we had uh we have included a note uh stating that the images are only for illustrative purpose and are intended solely to demonstrate the architectural style so our next steps would be a planning commission hearing on april 27th and city council hearing on june 2nd today we are requesting you to provide us with any additional feedback to help us prepare for these hearings thank you for your time

thank you for the presentation and i would um okay we have uh we have a question from commissioner davis please uh thank you vice chair um i did go through the whole document again thank you um i i like the changes that came through a lot on the neighborhood definition i i like that i just did some quick calculations that's You know it's not perfect geometry but it's probably around six and a half or seven acres which intuitively makes sense to me. Five acres is usually what gets stuck in our head as Americans, but. You know, five to seven acres about the right size for a neighborhood definition, I did notice. And I can send an email about this. my thinking on this is this is going to be used for 20, 25 years, right? So any investment we make in getting this unambiguous and very clear and easy to understand is worth it. And it will save you a lot of time because you'll get less calls. So there's one little nit I noticed that... we use a term about predominantly one story, and then it's a little confusing in the glossary. So I think in the glossary, it's neighborhood predominantly one story, but we say something like predominantly one story neighborhood. So when I did a search, it didn't match up. I had to go and look through. So that little knit, I think, is probably worth changing. On the pictures, I really think we should use AI to generate compliant pictures. Just thinking of it as someone who wants to perhaps rebuild my home or something and so on. or do a remodel or an addition and so on. I just foresee problems if there are pictures that aren't 100% compliant. Someone will come in and they will say, but it looks just like the picture. And it'll just be bad feelings all around. You'll be annoyed because you don't want to deal with a situation like that. And the resident will be quite annoyed too because the easiest guy is always a picture um but other than that i uh the removals i really agree with um it's much easier to follow and and understand i would love to hear what commissioner segura has to say about it though since this is his business thank you

Thank you. Thank you. Next is Commissioner Cerrone, please.

Thanks, Vice Chair, and thanks for the presentation. I commend staff for putting this together. It can't be easy. We're trying to objectify subjective standards, really. And, you know, speaking as a human being, no offense to AI, but I think this is completely legitimate. In the past, when I have... bought a house for my residents, I first pick the neighborhood and then shop for a house within that neighborhood. And when a developer plans a housing development, they typically use a consistent architectural style, color palette, yard layout, landscaping, et cetera, to make the houses attractive so they can sell them. So this is an intentional design. And when people buy or rent a house in a neighborhood, these things are an important consideration. They also stagger the windows to let light in while maintaining privacy. And of course, houses that are not well maintained or aesthetically pleasing or not consistent with the design of the neighborhood impact the quality of life of residents as well as lowering housing values. The challenge here is determining how much flexibility is acceptable for individual preferences and changing times. And you have added some flexibility here, which is great. I mean, on the other hand, and maybe it's just me, but I feel like as a homeowner or a developer, I'm not sure I could look at these standards and know that I had, You know hit the right balance or hey that's a craftsman home or you know I mean there's elements, I can think of that I would put in there, but. Without I don't know it seems a little problematic so i'm wondering who who decides the compliance is a staff and is there an appeal process.

So we are currently working on a checklist that will help the home owners and developers to see how they are meeting each of the requirements so yeah that will help us with the with looking at the projects and making sure that they are in compliance.

And if I can add to that as well. So the applicant would fill out the checklist that Asta was stating and then staff would verify compliance. So they can't just fill it out and say that they comply without us checking.

There are some neighborhoods that have no coherent style at all. And maybe that's another category that should be called out because they're maybe not most neighborhoods, but there are certainly neighborhoods where there is absolutely no consistency from house to house and trying to impose some objective standards on, I don't know how you could do that.

So these documents, like especially the architectural style guide, so it's a guidance for the homeowners and developers to pick the style they want. So it's not a requirement. So it's not like if you mostly have craftsman style homes in the neighborhood, you are required to do that. It's just a guidance. It's a way to objectify these subjective standards and make sure that they're still true to whatever style they pick.

and we did also uh include a section on additional architectural styles that are not included in the document okay thanks thank you um in terms of defining a neighborhood uh i think the way you defined it here is good if there was no history available about the uh know that that particular neighborhood but it seems to me kind of a first pass definition of a neighborhood would be a development that was done at one time by one developer uh which could be all kinds of different shapes and but it just seems like that's uh you know what kind of historically defines a neighborhood in terms of the consistency of the architectural style but uh

So for the neighborhood, I would also like to add that we are currently working with our IT division to create a map that will be available to the public where they can put in the address and see what the neighborhood is for this document.

And finally, you reference their changes to roof material or to reform types. I've seen a number of houses, especially houses with a flat roof where the owner runs sometimes a huge amount of ducting on the roof. Some houses look like they have an octopus sitting on the roof. And of course, to me, that's no longer necessary because you could use mini splits that don't need ducting. Nevertheless, people have done it and are doing it. Should there be some sort of facade required if they're going to do something like that, like you do on commercial buildings right you put a. facade or a parapet yes.

the code currently has exemptions for certain pipes up to a certain size on the roof that are exempt and are not discretionary if somebody wants to put an air conditioning unit on the roof that would be subject to a permit and it would be discretionary and we would look at screening that already exists in the code okay all right thank you thank you commissioner our next one is uh commissioner figoni please

That sort of presentation is really good. I have a question on the, kind of a weird question, but on page 17, the plants that you have. So one of the questions I have is, is it, a little too restrictive to put that much control on the type of plants because a lot of times things change. And so would it be better to maybe have another appendix where you reference that outside this document? And so the reason I ask that is I was actually at the nursery a couple of weeks ago and I was talking to one of the folks that works there and they were saying that the zone actually changed in the Bay Area. It's actually getting more subtropical. So they're actually saying that the plants are actually changing at which grow here. So if you put this type of restriction here on these plants, may not really be reflective of the current conditions for plants. So would it be worth maybe having an appendix that references as an external document outside? Because that way you have more flexibility to change that? And then the other thing too is I don't know what the cost is of some of these plants that we're picking, but are they cost prohibitive for owners? Sometimes plants become very expensive, the size of them, of course, but also the species and the variety. And that's something we should think about with homeowners. It's very expensive to put a garden in or put a landscaping in, but I don't know if there's any consideration on the cost of these plants, what they cost. in general because sometimes they're more rare and maybe the nurseries don't carry them or they're seasonal but what my main thing is basically from what i understand is you know you might be restricting ourselves by putting this much of a constraint in this document here maybe have a reference document that gives you more flexibility to change that with time so if you want to make a change in two years or three years you don't have to go back to this document and change it

Thank you for your question and comment. So I'm guessing that, are you referring to the screening trees and plants list?

Yeah, it's on page 17.

Okay. So, so based on, yeah, based on the feedback we received from you last time, we are removing that compliance. So that was originally an alternative compliance for providing, um, for, for minimizing privacy impacts and neighbors for second story decks and windows. And, uh, when we got your comments and also we evaluated that it wasn't really feasible for us to apply those requirements so we are removing that together so thank you okay thank you i appreciate your clarification thank you thank you uh the next one is commissioner sigura please

Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. I have a few quick questions. You mentioned before that this is kind of a rough guide. And the question is, how much would the city will allow to people planning those new homes or remodels or whatever to deviate from that guidance?

So within this document, we did try to provide as much flexibility as possible. We still have to be objective, so we do need to have clear standards that are really objective, measurable standards for the Housing Accountability Act. But the flexibility we allowed included the alternative compliance. So for most of the design standards, we have an alternative compliance that helps in addressing the projects that may have a more unique neighborhood context. For example, our standards currently say, based on this, the proposed standards say that the ground floor plate height should be nine feet. But for example, if a neighbor already has a 10 feet plate height, then they can do 10 feet. So we did try to give that flexibility. Additionally, we included deviations. So we are, by default, allowing some deviations from these standards. So for staff level permits, we have up to 2 deviations, and for planning Commission 3 deviations, which would be allowed by right like they can pick and choose which 2 or which 3 they want to. They cannot comply with. um and then generally it does some of these standards also include a menu of options like the parking design where they can pick and choose which works best for them so we did try to include all that flexibility keeping in mind that you know homeowners would like that over time but at the end of the day these need to be objective and measurable so yeah we have some limitation

Okay. What about standards of roof like pitch roofs in case it's not a flat roof? Today, more people are using more and more solar systems by requirement and by choice. And Sunnyvale, from what I know, and I know pretty well, we love pitch of 412.

versus 512 which would be much more efficient for solar system so what is the take as far as the guidance with uh with that um so for the roof slope we do have um we we do have some flexibility like even our design standards say that say if most of the neighborhood has 412 then you can do up A deviation of up to one 12 which would be make it 512 or 312 so we do have some flexibility there to include that.

Thank you so much, thank you.

Thank you, and we have Commissioner pain, please.

Thank you. Yeah, I, I think these are, this is a significant improvement over the previous draft. I particularly, particularly like the change, the neighborhood definition. And I would just note that the neighborhood definition, and this was covered in the staff presentation, but Jessica, it's kind of, I wouldn't, I would again observe that the neighborhood definition is really is mostly we're talking about when we get those, when we get people wanting to build a two, a second story and a, PB, Jorge Boone. : predominantly single story neighborhood and it also plays to entry door locations which I don't think we see. PB, Jorge Boone. : come up too much here, but so I so again it's a fairly limited it's a it's a fairly limited context, but I think this is a significant improvement than the previous definition and frankly the status quo, which is that there is a definition but it's kind of unwritten so. PB, Jorge Boone. : I. PB, Jorge Boone. : Would. i'm going to slightly disagree with commissioner davis in that i'm going and that i think while i think it's a good thing to have the pictures as close to fully compliant as is possible preferably entirely fully compliant i do think we gain something from having them be real pictures of real architecture and not just something that a computer came up with that may or may not that may or may not be something that can actually exist in the real world like maybe like maybe it can but i think there's a benefit for saying this is a pro this is actually existing in the real world that being said i would i would like to think that there are actual examples in the real world preferably in sunnyvale that do actually confirm to all of our requirements because then because i do know that we have we are allowing some minimal number of deviations but it just It does strike me as a bit cautionary if we're saying, here are all of our requirements. By the way, we can't find anything in Sunnyvale that meets all these requirements. That would strike me as a sign that some of the requirements are questionable. So I just wanted to throw that out. I have not done an exhaustive search in the city of Sunnyvale against these requirements but that's just something I would throw out there uh but no this is but at in my non-professional opinion I think this is a good document so I'd like to thank staff for the hard work on it thank you oh um commissioner Davis you want to say something then I'll say my thing sir

yes thank you vice chair um for the public hearing um and maybe for city council it's occurred to me that with our um with our current house of pricing and where it's going to go um we're likely at some point gonna see some custom homes in here that will use, well, let's just call this the Frank Lloyd Wright example, or Renzo Piano, or some very well-known architect. Our homes are now in the price range where someone doing a rebuild or something could very well bring in a celebrity architect. I'd like to understand if, our objective. I guess I'd like to have an opinion if our objective standards give enough latitude for an extremely good architect to do something innovative and pleasing. And that we're not here are the cookie cutters that we allow. We're not Irvine, right? So I think it would go over really well if we could maybe talk about that in the actual hearing. But otherwise, I take the points about maybe not going with AI. If we have examples of houses that actually comply with all of our standards, that would be fantastic. If we don't, I understand taking the pictures from recent applications. If we don't at a minimum, we need to call out where they don't comply. Which I guess you could pull from the applications as well, right? Because they had to ask for permission. Thank you. But overall, very nice work. I think the citizens, if they saw this now, facing a project would feel that the city's fair and not arbitrary. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. And I also want to say that I really like what you have done, improved the whole objective standards, though I have few questions about it. The one is that we have ICLR community. and they have their own standards. And I know that I've visited few of the houses and they are completely different. And one of the architects who had it, that her house, she was, I mean, we had a tour, an AIA tour, her house, and she was having a hard time because the original eichler's history was not with sunnyville and she had to prove that this was the original and it doesn't fit into current standards so i think i i don't know i don't remember exactly what was the thing but because uh i was in part of the team uh but um so i would suggest that because we have two or three special different neighborhoods like we have many like three or four zones of eichler also we have a neighborhood where single uh they have restricted any second story because they collectively decided and then there is um uh in the uh the north now north sunnyville yeah so there are different types of like mixed housing styles and all so i think it would be nice to to have like I don't know in the glossary maybe we can have like Eichler also as one of the house style and how they have remodeled if we can have two different because there are two different way they they've done it in sunny when i i'm talking about the south sunnyville i can provide if that information is needed but um so that's and one of the uh so that's one second one i just want to respond to my commissioner davis that we have many famous architects have designed uh houses in neighborhood they use the constraint and then they make their own style and um there are very few famous architects of design so and they i like that they try to fit in the neighborhood with the innovative techniques and also i don't think we should give them extra concession they get the two with the deviations now that is one the second question i have was that when the people are putting second story we have sometimes conflict the neighbors does the neighbors come and now there is no requirements to put any mitigation so do we have it like somehow they're like if some neighbors complain then they have to follow it They have to put mitigation because you want to avoid you want to make it flexible, but then, at the same time, you want friendly neighborhood neighbors. and not have make them enemy by their development, so I think it's a good idea to put that that if them when they notice them and then, if they don't the neighbors are complaining, then they have to put mitigation some kind of measures. Because you don't want to go into. helping them to mitigate their quarrels. So I think somehow you can have that. So otherwise you will have a lot of complaints because we are removing a lot of things from and making it easier for people to build. So those are those are the two. And then I don't understand about lighting color. So is it like people can now put any color lights? Because I've already seen the lightings. When they enter the house from the garage, they put LED all on the walls. And I'm like, what's going on? I just pass by. And I'm like, that's unusual lights. But they're like linear strip lights going to your home, both sides. i mean i don't mind it as long as the the lux level it's not very bright but led can get very bright so i don't know how you are going to include that in them in your guidelines because you want to allow them to put accent some accent lights but so i do i'm just bringing that that if you want to consider that adding and then um what was the thing so and then what was i one second um yeah the uh my comments uh for the for the commissioner Cerrone about the roof thing that is like old Eichler houses used to have uh the roof units on the top and whenever the the house plumbing uh it stopped working because they used to have the furnace instead of furnace they used to have all heating through the condensed um floor heating so the water will run through the concrete and because it's it's now 40 50 60 years it was done cheaply so a lot of the it's whenever it stops working they just abandon the whole system and they put the new system like water heater and furnace they put the whole new system and sometimes they use it on the roof or on the side of the house and so so maybe that's what so maybe we We have the height limit, correct? We have the height limit based on the maximum height. And maybe we can have that. No, I'm not sure, but you can have that. So the facade doesn't show any mechanical units. I mean, solar, maybe solar dishes can show. But anyway, this is just I'm seeing this in the neighborhood.

please have my comments thank you thank you yeah so um i can help address some of these um so first of all eichler and jay francis neighborhood they have their own separate design standards design guidelines and for those neighborhoods they'll continue to be subject to those design guidelines and not these ones so it doesn't apply to those two neighborhoods And about the second story conflicts, we are proposing to continue with the noticing requirements. So whenever there will be a second story addition or a new two story house will notify the neighbors within 300 feet radius. We do try to work on resolving the issues with neighbors as much as possible. But I think with these objective design standards, especially the ones that are related to the second story, balconies and windows, I think we'll be probably seeing less of those concerns. So I think that will help address most of the concerns that can be addressed reasonably. um about the lighting color we are we are recommending removing that standard all together because it's something which is hard to apply but i think the color refers not actually to the color but to the color temperature like how bright it is like white versus warm light so that's what it was originally but we are removing that requirement We also have a list of prohibited lighting. So we did try to have a list of the lighting that can cause like an overspill or clear to the neighbors. So we do have that list. And your last question about the screening, so we do have a requirement in our zoning code to screen any rooftop equipment. And that screen has to be compatible with the style of the main structure, so we do work on those permits all the time and it's not allowed to have those without the screening. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. So the ICLR, so even if you have, like, we have many zones of ICLR. So they have their different design standards.

Right. So we do have a separate document which is called ICLR, I think, Neighborhood Design Guidelines. And in that, it also includes a map of the neighborhood that are designated as ICLR neighborhoods. And those standards will continue to apply.

okay thank you thank you that's great i just did not know thank you but um anyway i do like i do like um all the additions and mainly for the materials as they are getting better and better uh so uh four stones look really like stone so that i think that is wonderful thank you for your feedback We have a question from Commissioner Payne, please.

Yeah, thank you. Just something Vice Chair Shukla said made me think to double check and I realized I believe it would be, since we got rid of the screening trees, I believe it would probably be appropriate to also delete the definition of screening trees, which is still in there, which is on page 46 of attachment two. Thank you. I cross checked. I didn't see any other reference to that anywhere.

Thank you.

And that's all I had.

Thank you. Thank you for... I didn't see that. And the next one is Commissioner Segura, please.

Thank you. Just to clarify, because some of the comments kind of triggered, with Eichler's, do we still allow in the planning department here in Sunnyvale for Eichler's to have air-conditioned units like the full furnace and all the ducts on top of the roof, or that's no longer allowed?

uh only with the screening so we looked at look at it case by case basis and we look at the screening to make sure that it's compatible with the neighborhood and also the main structure

Because today, as Commissioner Soren mentioned, there are many new systems like mini splits, which he mentioned, that will make the neighborhood look way better than a residential, quote unquote, commercial look to it. And even though if you have to do screening on it, you're talking about two feet to three feet when you have size of returns of that are 18 to 22 inches and whatnot. So I would urge the staff to look into it and maybe that was good for the 80s or 70s, 80s, but maybe it's no longer good for where we are today. And people that normally remodeling and investing money into a system like that would probably will be able to afford a mini split system and the neighborhood will look much nicer. So it's a very well point taken.

And I would like to add as well that the Eichler design guidelines discourage roof mounted equipment. So it is discretionary. You'll see that a lot of recent Eichler additions that there is not a roof, a mechanical equipment on the roof because we do highly discourage it. And with flat roofs, it's harder to screen it, right? So we've had those conversations with many applicants encouraging them to consider ground mounted. And that's what we've seen lately too.

Okay. Makes sense.

Thank you.

Thank you. And we have Commissioner Davis, please.

Thank you. While Vice Chair Shukla was talking, it occurred to me, and maybe this is a straw poll, we do have two sets of more restrictive design guidelines. Well, maybe this doesn't have to be said. So could someone in a neighborhood not covered by those build a house according to those guidelines and be compliant?

Sorry, can you repeat your question?

Okay. Maybe if I draw out a specific example. So let's say you own a property that just happens to abut next to one of the Eichler neighborhoods and you you like eiklers but nobody wanted to sell you one uh so you decide to build your you decide to remodel or build your own um eikler style uh and so you comply with the guidelines all right in my neighborhood there are actually i kind of i don't know what the name is i call them faux eiklers they look kind of like eiklers but they don't have the yeah yeah um so I don't know where that legally stands. So if someone decided to build, if they just self-imposed the more restrictive, that's it. Okay, well, no, I'm saying outside of the Eichler neighborhood. Could they choose to take the more restrictive options?

So if they're outside those designated I clear okay Francis neighborhood, they'll be subject to these standards. However, we have a provision in these standards to allow for additional architectural styles, so they may still choose to be like I clear style, but they'll have to comply with. the other standards which are related to say the massing and things like that. But, you know, in terms of the facade and architectural style and details, they can still choose to do that.

So yeah, it's a purely hypothetical question. When I think about it, you could build something that looks like an Eichler without all the restrictions that come with the guidelines, which are pretty extensive. right so i i think i i think that's not a not a question we need to deal with um and a comment to uh commissioner cerrone's um i think i know the house or there are many of them i've seen the houses where uh i think those are put up in the 80s the uh before we had any guidelines uh and so on um in my neighborhood there's some eichlers that have been remodeled in very individualistic ways and those were all done in the 80s and 90s so the house two doors down for me does not look like an igler at all anymore so with uh so i think we're probably covered by the existing guidelines in the building code now where that can't happen again so all right thank you um thank you uh commissioner sigura please

Oh.

Sorry about it. So you didn't have your hand so. So yeah, so I mean I know this suddenly suddenly just thought came that if if the neighborhood is Eichler and they want to change the whole style, they can choose other style or they have to. They are restricted in Eichler. I mean if they are doing. A second story edition. So what do they do?

So Eichler neighborhoods by itself don't prohibit a second story. In fact, there are some guidelines in there that are recommended for a two story addition in Eichler, unless it's in a single story combining district that only allows for one story. So it doesn't prohibit them from doing it. Based on the guidelines, it's not a requirement to be Eichler, but they still have to comply with the design guidelines for the Eichler neighborhood.

So for example, somebody can demolish an Eichler today in an Eichler neighborhood. The code does not prohibit that and the design guidelines don't prohibit that, but the design guidelines require that the replacement house meet the guidelines. And the intent of the guidelines is really to preserve the massing and the feel of Eichler neighborhoods while not requiring it to be an Eichler. That was intentional.

that makes sense i think it's some it's flexibly enough flexibility so this perfect all my questions are pretty much uh answered by you and it was a great thing okay now i'm going to i will go ahead and open the public comment on the specific item please submit a speaker card to the recording officer raise your digital hand now or dial star 9 on a telephone to indicate where you wish to speak I will call on members of the public participating in person first followed by remote participants I don't see any public here so speakers will have zero three minutes three minutes to speak um um does anyone else want to speak on this item before we hear from the remote speaker uh remote speakers are want to limit their comments to the agenda item being considered speakers who are ruled out of order will not be given another chance to speak on this item um so recording officer do we have any remote participants to speak on this item will you not vice chair okay so i will close the public comment and um um so at we are going to at this does does anyone want to speak on this item any question no okay so that means i'm going to adjourn this special meeting and the regular meeting will um start at 7 pm thank you

I am.

It's crazy.

Yes, yes.

It's even worse.

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Recording officer, may we please have the roll call?

Commissioner Segura.

Present.

Vice Chair Shukla.

Present.

Commissioner Pine. Present. Commissioner Fagoni.

Present.

Commissioner Cerrone.

Present.

Commissioner Davis.

Present.

We have six commissioners present. The absence of Chair Iglesias is excused.

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Yeah, a motion to move forward the consent calendar.

And is there a second? Commissioner Segura, please.

I'll second that.

Thank you. Recruiting officer, please conduct a vote.

The motion passes with six yeses and Chair Iglesias absent. I cleared that too fast.

Thank you. OK. We OK. So moving on to our item. File number 26-0356. It's a special development permit to demolish an existing 19,512 square foot industrial building and construct a 172-unit multifamily housing development. which includes 170 affordable units plus two managers' units within a seven-story building, five levels of housing on top of two levels of podium parking. Location is 1171 Sonora Court. And is there a staff report?

Yes. Good evening, planning commissioners. My name is Margaret Netto, senior planner. This is 100% affordable housing project at 1171 Sonora Court. A special development permit is required for site and architectural review of development projects located within the Lawrence Station Area Plan. The project proposes to redevelop a 1.3 acre industrial property within the Lawrence Station Area Plan. Demolish an existing 19,512 square foot, one story industrial building and construct 172 apartments. 170 units will be affordable and two managers units. Here's the neighborhood context, the project site is located between Lawrence station and Kuiper road north of the Caltrans station and west of Lawrence expressway the surrounding land uses include residential office and industrial. on the site plan this is a site plan the driveway access is from sonora court walkways would be installed around the perimeter of the building the site would be redeveloped into a seven-story residential building that would contain dwelling units on floors two through seven a two-level concrete parking structure would provide 88 parking stalls on floors one and two MnPEN was awarded funding on November 19, 2024. A neighborhood outreach meeting was held on June 10, 2025, followed by a planning commission study session on July 28, 2025. During that study session, commissioners provided comments related to bike circulation, connectivity to Caltrans, access to public transit, neighborhood amenities, parking, and overall site layout. The Albuquerque has addressed these comments in attachment eight and has also provided a parking supply assessment in attachment 11 of the staff report. As noted, this is 100% affordable housing project. The project has a residential density of 132 dwelling units per acre, which is achieved through the state density bonus law. The state density bonus law allows this project up to four concessions and unlimited waivers, which I'll discuss later in the presentation. But the concessions are for ground floor plate height, roof form, Roof form with the cornice detail, lockable storage and the waivers are in regards to front yard setback on Sonora Court and the division of building length. This is a street basing elevation from Sonora Court. The maximum height of the building is 86 feet, which is in the height restrictions of 100 feet. Staff worked with the applicant to provide a variation material to break up the elevations and add visual interest. The elevation provides a distinct bottom, middle, and top. This is the elevation from the southeast. You can see the varied roofline and wall articulation in the corner tower. In the concessions, staff worked with the applicant to reduce the number of requested concessions and waivers. The applicant will go into more detail on their presentation on how they meet the intent of the requirements. Concession one, is a minimum ground floor plate height. The citywide objective design standards requires a minimum ground floor plate height of 14 feet. The project proposes 12 feet. A canopy has been added, which wraps around the front and side elevations, giving the impression of a floor plate height set at 14 feet. And then concession number two is the roof form flat roof variation. The guidelines mandate variations in cornice detail and height for buildings longer than 100 feet. The project does not provide variation every 75 feet. However, variations are incorporated by using roof angles in strategic locations. And concession number three the reform cornice detail the design standards require that cornice details to be a minimum of 18 inches tall and 12 12 inches deep. The project proposes cornices below the roof line at various locations to create the visual impression of the building step back at the sixth and seventh story. And the last concession is the individual lockable storage, the code requires the projects to provide 200 cubic feet of individual storage spaces. per studio and one bedroom apartments and 300 cubic feet of storage for every other for every other residential unit, the project proposes 4800 cubic feet of individual individual lockable storage on the second floor, which will provide 24 individual storage spaces. in the waivers. Waiver number one is the street setback for floor three and above with a minimum of five feet from a public street facing wall. The project proposes no additional setback above the third floor. And waiver number two, the division of building length The citywide design standards mandate vertical division of building elevations by recess at a maximum of 75 foot intervals, at least 10 feet wide and five feet deep with ground level to roof level. The project proposes vertical building divisions with elevation ranges from approximately five to nine feet. The development standards. The project exceeds city's landscaping requirement by providing 20% of the site as a landscape area. It also preserves the majority of the existing trees along Sonora Court. While two protected trees will be removed, they will be replaced with 13 new trees, resulting in a net gain in tree canopy over time. A total of 88 parking spaces are proposed. This is below the standard requirement of 107 spaces. The project is eligible for AB 2097, which allows developments in transit accessible areas to provide reduced parking. The project provides 78 square feet of open space per unit, which exceeds the city's requirement of 50 square feet per unit. Staff has a modification to condition of approval number 33. Staff requests removal of the public access area. As you can see that it's striked out below because the city, since this property will belong to the city, the city will include this language in their lease agreement. So I've modified the recommendation for Alternative 2, recommended to Planning Commission make the required CEQA findings, approve the site development subject to recommended findings in Attachment 3, and the modified condition of approval in Attachment 4. This concludes my presentation. The applicant is also here with a presentation and I also have George Dix and Pat Angel who is available via Zoom for any environmental related questions.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. I will have, I'll now ask for questions from my colleagues. Commissioner Cerrone, please.

Thanks vice chair, thanks for the presentation it's always great to see fully affordable housing project. The applicant is using the density bonus and and using it to significantly increase the density which we don't always see and given the unlimited waivers available only asking for two waivers shows extraordinary restraint on the part of the. developer. that concessions are primarily cosmetic and are mitigated, except for the lack of lockable storage units. So a question for staff, what is the city's role in the project? The city owns the land, right?

That's correct.

So does that give the city or the planning commission any more latitude in terms of... how we approach this, the approval or the development details, anything other than a usual residential project?

The project would be subject to the same state laws and procedural requirements that any other residential project would be subject to.

Okay. According to the staff report, Overall, this is a quote, overall the project's parking supply and mobility measures are intended to align with its transit-rich location and support reduced vehicle ownership while maintaining equitable access to employment, education, and essential services. I see how it supports reduced vehicle ownership, but can you... Explain the maintaining equitable access to employment, education and essential services.

I think the applicant has answered, responded to some of those questions, but yes, I mean, it is accessible to the train station.

So therefore, yes, equitable to opportunities, office job opportunities, and also educational opportunities and being able to get onto transit. as well as, and I think also in, and the applicant can also reply to this as well about the shuttle for the students that, you know, Possibly live in the residential units and and the potential for you know additional shuttles for them to get to and from school and a lot of the high school students do already rely on the shuttle service as well. Thank you.

You mean the school buses?

Yes, school well and then public transportation too.

All right. Thank you. I'll wait for the presentation from the applicant. Thanks.

Thank you. Commissioner Davis, please.

Thank you, Vice Chair. Thank you for the presentation. It's very good. I'm looking at the written staff report and alternative one and two seem to be identical. I'm safe to assume that was an error. And then your presentation said alternative two, but your written report says alternative one. though they are identical, so.

They're not?

So in the staff report, alternative one would be to approve the project with the conditions in attachment four. Alternative two would be the same, although you might have modified conditions. So the last of that alternative is slightly different. But now what we're recommending tonight, I know what the staff report says, but what we're recommending tonight is that alternative two is being selected with a modified condition for EP33.

Okay. And so the presentation supersedes the written report.

That's correct.

Okay. Thank you. And then my... question I always ask um if state law was not superseding our requirements uh Sunnyvale requirements how much parking would have been required on this site 107 parking spaces okay what okay so it's still it would still be a relatively low number because oh because of the the Lawrence Station specific plan

exactly we also have reduced parking requirements for affordable housing projects as well okay excellent thank you um that's all my questions for staff thank you um commissioner payne please mr pine thank you uh could uh just in that same vein uh could steph clarify how many units would normally be the max here i didn't quite see the acreage in this heading so i didn't compute it myself um sorry can you repeat the question if if we did if what would be the normal units permitted here under max density without the application of any state density bonus loss i'll calculate and get back to you it's mostly rhetorical so i feel i i can i can use the density per acre numbers instead uh but uh

Yeah, the maximum density would be 70 dwelling units per acre and they're proposing 132 dwelling units per acre.

right so basically what so what we're so what you're so what we're getting here today is as commissioner starting out an application that's actually using state don't density bonus laws to actually have a significant a i'll just say significant increase in density and they managed to do it with only six total concessions and waivers for for the entire project is that correct yes that's correct Shocking. Given the parade of applications you've seen that refuse to get any extra density whatsoever using state laws, I had almost forgotten this was possible. Fascinating.

Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, I don't see any questions so. The applicant will have 10 minutes at the beginning of public hearing to address the Planning Commission, along with five minutes at the end of the public hearing. Is there an applicant presentation?

Hi, I'm Jennifer Liu, and I'm MidPenn's project manager for the 1171 Sonora Court project. With me today is Hawaii Lai from COT Square Architects, as well as Molly Naber, MidPenn's VP of Housing Development, who is here and also available for questions. COT Square Architects has developed, rather has designed several communities here in Sunnyvale, including the Savoy Residential Apartments over on Kiefer Road, as well as BITPEN's affordable housing development at 1178 Sonora Court, or also known today as IRD Hall Square, which is just across the street from us. MIPEN has been very pleased with COT Square and how that building at 1178 Sonora has turned out. So we are pleased to be working with them here again at this project. MIPEN does own and operate 12 communities here in Sunnyvale, including the IRD Hall Square community.

Excuse me, can you get the microphone closer so we can hear you?

Oh, yeah, thank you. I know I have a soft voice, so thank you. rd hall square did finish construction at the end of last year and is currently leasing that project was also made possible by support from city of sunnyvale and is now providing much needed affordable housing in the city 1171 sonora court similarly will also be a 100 affordable community with units serving a range of incomes from 30 to 70 percent of the area median income When this project last came before the commission for study session, we heard your thoughtful comments and we appreciated the feedback. We addressed some of those questions that needed follow-up in a memo that was submitted to the planning commission. And we will also be speaking to some of those questions here tonight. So with that, I'll turn it over to Hawaii.

great thank you jennifer um good evening commissioners good to see you again hawaii with studio t square the architect um so last time we heard for the study session we received some very positive um feedback from everyone and i think that's credit to city staff midpen and our design team working together really working in earnest to go through the four or five rounds of design comments to make sure what we have in front of you today is something we can all be proud of and And so I think with that today, I think we'll touch a little bit on the design, but really work focus on some of the changes that we made in response to the comments from the study session. Next slide, please. So this is just an area map to show how we are one of the early pieces of the puzzle to kind of fulfill the loop road concept for the LSAP. And through our providing bike and pedestrian pathways, eventually through developing the entire site, hopefully we can create a whole loop road concept and make that a reality. Next slide, please. This takes a little bit closer look at our site in particular, the ground floor. What we had focused on was preserving the existing trees, providing a safe pedestrian access point across the site. In doing so, our solution was to create this sidewalk that loops behind the existing trees. and also placing our active uses like the community room, the office and lobby right next to this pedestrian walkway so that there's activity and eyes on the street so that folks feel safe as they walk through our site. Also, as you notice on the southeast corner of site, we have a bike room and the red dash line here indicates how someone using the bike using the bikes can access the bike rooms. So you can see it's pretty accessible from the street. And one thing we learned from our R&D hall experience is that there's a high demand for bike parking in this tenant population. And so the change we made here since our study session was actually increasing the bike storage count up to one stall per unit. And so you can see our bike rooms are mostly on the ground floor. And even though we do have some bikes on the second floor, that's a small number of our overall count. And management team can also assign based on usage. Next slide, please. In terms of architecture, we mentioned earlier just a moment ago, you know, trees, activating sidewalks. And along with all that, the overall theme was creating a four-sided building. And a lot of our strategies, whether it's using different colors, different design elements, grouping the base, middle, top in different ways on different facades was really achieved that. In particular, and I think Margaret mentioned earlier, this corner element in the foreground we stepped down the massing and actually created a roof deck. And in our original design, that roof deck was serving the managed unit. And one of the comments from the study session was, is there a way to allow all the tenants to really enjoy that? And so we designed, as you can see in the plan inset, the access to roof decks now through the corridor. So that really allows every resident to enjoy that space. Next slide, please. So just an additional view to show how again, materials and colors and detailing play to four different sides of the building. Next slide please. Again, the same. Next please. Same. Next please. And so this is the, talking about the roof deck earlier, this is also showing the courtyard again, pulling from an IRD Hall Square experience. We intend to program with taut lots, informal gathering spaces, and even perhaps barbecue pits to kind of encourage interaction between tenants. What's important is that we place our multi-purpose room on this floor adjacent to the courtyard so that it allows for the opportunity to program indoor and outdoor uses concurrently at the same time. Next, please. And there was a question previously about how we intend to treat the interior of the space. And so what you see in front of you is actually the interior design packet, which we designed for IRD Hall Square, really using different kinds of materials, different accent features to really highlight the special spaces, the lobbies, the community rooms, so that it allows tenants to feel a special bond with the space and share with each other. And then likewise, there's a question on how do we differentiate different levels of the building. And so the right-hand side of the slide shows you how on the same spot of the building at different levels, we use different colors and textures to create different themes and allow that differentiation to happen. So hopefully that addresses the question how we would approach interior design. Next, please. And so that concludes my portion of the presentation. So I want to thank you for your time. And I'll give it back to Jennifer to handle the mobility question.

Hi. So at the study session, we also heard a question about whether the proposed parking would be sufficient to meet transportation needs. We appreciate that question and want to make sure to come back with more information about our transportation management that we're planning for this community. So Midpen's goal in the design of this building is to dovetail into the Lawrence Station area plans, a long-term vision for a vibrant mixed-use and walkable community that takes advantage of its proximity to the Caltrain. And while we are near some very helpful amenities right now, not least of which is the Costco, which by the way has become a very popular amenity with our residents at R&D Hall, we actually see them just walking across the street with a little rolly cart to do their shopping. But we also recognize that it's going to take some years for the full vision of the LSAP to actually get built out. So with that in mind, MIPEN has developed a multimodal mobility plan to help meet a resident's current transportation needs in a way that's equitable and realistic. That plan was included in the memo that was submitted to the commission, and it included things, for example, like free transit passes, no vehicle preference as well as robust bike parking. And as Hawaii just mentioned, we did take the opportunity to increase the amount of bike parking based on the demand that we were seeing across the street at RRD Hall Square. I'll also take a moment to address Commissioner Cerrone's question about how the kids get to school. So MIPEN's resident services team regularly coordinates with the local school districts in the service of supporting the students that live at our communities. That's no different for transportation needs. So we've had preliminary conversations. And so for example, Sunnyvale Elementary School District has indicated that they know that there's gonna be massive growth in the Lawrence Station in coming years. They're very interested in bringing busing service here. The appropriate time to have that conversation with them will be basically when we're in construction because they do route planning the spring before the next academic year. for the high school students who will be going to Fremont High. The students living here will qualify for the district's free bus pass program. That's a program that was created back in the 1980s. I believe in the 80s, Sunnyvale High School was shut down and the high school busing program was also ended at that time. So we know lots of high school students do take the bus. high school students would take the fastest route would be a Caltrain to the ETA. And that would be a 20-ish minute ride with a transfer. There's a lot more information in the mobility plan itself, and we're happy to answer any other questions. But quickly, we just also want to mention that Penn's overall goal in our building design is to make sure that we address the things that matter most to people seeking affordable housing. When we talk to our leasing team, the issues that consistently arise at the top are affordability. So I know I'm short on time, so I'm going to try to get through this quickly. But this building will provide 100% of the affordable homes and we do believe that the .5 parking ratio will be operationally sufficient. An analysis done by our transportation consultant indicated that, you know, they looked at comparable affordable housing communities in similar context and concurred that the same parking ratio or lower would be operationally sufficient. So I know I'm a little bit up on time.

You can say when we ask questions and you have five more minutes. So you can say if you want to say later. Okay. You finished your 10 minutes. Yeah, we will have questions for you.

So stay up.

Stay there. Yeah. And you can ask. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Davis, please.

Thank you, Vice Chair. Thanks for this presentation. It's very informative. I like this a lot. You've heard my fellow commissioners talk about the low number of concessions and waivers. So maybe you could add, could you provide maybe a little bit of color of how that was achieved? Because we perpetually hear that this is impossible to build without 17 waivers and a concession or more than toes and fingers that we have to count on. Could you add some color on how this was achieved? Yeah, I'll take a stab at this.

I think I referred to earlier, working with staff closely, just understanding what the city requires and being a good neighbor, being a good partner, that means we don't just steamroll with state law. So I think I mentioned we went through four or five rounds of design review. So I think that part of it is voluntary on part of MidPen and the city's credit. We were able to work together. And I think ultimately, it's really just the willingness to understand that, yes, there's a cost to certain things, but there is a benefit for everyone, you know, with, you know, providing good design. So I think that that's my brief answer for that. Okay, thank you.

I will go ahead and call out that of your concessions, I really appreciate how You've sought to comply with the spirit of the requirements while maybe you couldn't actually like the plate height. I understand 14 feet is more expensive than 12 feet, but you found a way to at least give the appearance of 14 feet and the cornice design on the roofing and so on. I'm very appreciative of you taking the effort. If you can't comply with the details because of the cost, but complying with the spirit is a really good faith effort. Thank you for that. And that's really all my questions. I have more comments I'll save for later. Thank you.

Thank you. Next one, we have Commissioner Cerrone, please.

Thank you, Vice chair and thanks for the presentation. Overall, this is a great project fully affordable close to the train which station, which should reduce vehicle miles traveled. I want to emphasize that reducing vehicle miles traveled is is not exactly the same as reducing car ownership. Although there is a relationship, some 90% of regular bike riders still own a car because transit here does not get you everywhere. And so, and, you know, you can't ride a bike everywhere under all circumstances, even if you're physically able. Now, I realize the state law allows you to do a development with zero parking, which you have not done. But I want to drill down a little bit on the impact of this. And I do appreciate that a lot of this is addressed in attachment eight. So just kind of going over some of this again. And I'm and I love the fact you have provided a parking analysis. So this project has 172 units and 299 bedrooms, I believe. The study concludes that a total of 107 parking spaces would be required. And I think staff said, is that because of the Lawrence Station requirements or is that because it's an affordable housing project?

That's because it's an affordable housing project.

So you're proposing 85 parking spaces. According to the parking study for households in this area within a half mile of transit, 91.5% households own at least one vehicle and 49% own two or more vehicles, 6.8% use public transit. Yet the study concludes that the proposed affordable transit oriented development is therefore aligned with the existing demographic and travel patterns of the surrounding community and supports a reduced residential parking supply. I guess I'm not sure what aligned means in this context. Could you comment on that?

Not on that point specifically. I think we'd have to get clarification from a transportation consultant, but I believe overall the comment that the parking ratio being sufficient for this number of units is taking a look at comparable affordable housing developments in similar contexts. So not, for example, looking at something in the middle of San Francisco, but something on the peninsula near some kind of transportation hub.

So just as an example, how do you anticipate residents will buy groceries? I think you referred to Costco. So you would say about a half mile away, they would walk over to Costco and maybe with a wagon or something, buy groceries and come back if they didn't have a car.

Yes, we think some residents will do that. We see some residents doing that right now at R&D Hall Square.

And for people who do not work at a job close to transit than the train, the train, well, or possibly the bus route, but they would have to come up with alternative transportation.

jobs right yeah i think the way we're thinking about this is that you know at lease up we there's going to be heavy marketing and heavy education folks coming into the community will know that parking is not guaranteed so they can decide if this is the community for them or not um

So, and I appreciate, again, appreciate Attachment 8, which discusses the students getting to school, and it's San Miguel, Columbia Middle, and Fremont High School. And it sounds like you have reached out to the Sunnyvale Elementary School District, and they, apparently they indicate they will have bus service to services development.

Yes, they are very interested in that. The upfront work actually is working with them to get bus service over to IRD Hall Square, which is in operations right now. And that, by all means, looks very optimistic. And once that's up and running, it would be relatively easy for them to also provide service across the street.

Now, for the high school, you refer to bus passes, but Those have been very problematic for North Sunnyvale students for sometimes the buses are just full and leave them standing there. And there are after school programs and so on. So there may be something else required. And the city is planning, as I'm sure you're aware, the city is planning for an on-demand shuttle starting in September.

uh is it possible that residents could be given free shuttle passes which is an on-demand shuttle so it would resolve the problem of after-school programs are you referring to the shuttle programs that's similar to the perry parks uh rides yeah right yeah uh yeah certainly uh any program that the city has we would certainly be looking at it into it as an option um

Did you consider a mechanical parking system that would let you increase the parking capacity by two or three times within the same parking space?

We have in the past. MIPIN as a standard doesn't use those because they are a little bit dangerous. Just in the nature of their operations, we're not comfortable with kids running around in there with these things going up and down. And

You kind of alluded to and to one of the attachments, but can you explain a little bit the no vehicle preference for leasing? I think you said you had two kind of two cues for people getting the units. And how would this be enforced that people just say, I don't have a car and you accept that? Or is there any way to verify that?

Uh, they provide a signed statement saying that they don't have a car and yes, that's what we accept. Uh, so this is a preference that we've implemented successfully at other mid pen properties and it has helped to reduce parking demand. Um, it basically gives people a chance to get into transit oriented development, uh, transit oriented housing. And these are folks who we know who either don't need or want a car, but otherwise have a hard time getting in through the door. So this is a way to help those folks get in and give them a little bit of priority.

So regarding the ADA parking, and it's my understanding the ADA spots are a percentage of proposed spots, so when parking is reduced. needed that also reduces the ada spots so you have a total of seven spaces so will you limit the residents to seven people with mobility issues is there a way to do that

So the ADA parking spots are not assigned. They're available at first come, first serve for folks with the DP placard. This is a standard across all MidPen properties, and that guarantees that someone who needs that space, there's one always available for them. We, to date, have never run into an issue of there not being enough ADA parking spots. if the issue were to ever arise we would take a closer look at this but it's it's never really come close yeah we also have a reasonable accommodation process so beyond the ADA parking stalls

If a resident has a need for a parking stall that's closer to the elevator, for example, due to. Due to a mobility issue, for example, there's a process through mid pen to apply for a reasonable accommodation, including for parking needs and then that's reviewed and approved so it's not. Ada parking but it's a way to address mobility needs with parking beyond the Ada stalls.

Okay, thank you. So I'm glad to see that Midpen, quote, Midpen anticipates that city funding will require a Sunnyvale live work preference for all units to the extent allowed by law and funding sources, giving priority to households who live or work in Sunnyvale at the time of leasing. 34 units are prioritized. for homeless individuals. Are these homeless individuals going to be people living in Sunnyvale? And I know you're all at the council meeting for another project and the question came up for Ira D. Hall that none of the people in the homeless individuals there were from Sunnyvale. How do you decide who gets into this and prioritize people? And it sounds like you're going to prioritize Sunnyvale, but maybe not for the homeless individuals?

Yeah, it depends on whether the homeless units have a county project-based voucher or not, which is the case at RRD Hall. So if there's a county PBV, a rental voucher on it, then the local preference cannot be applied on that because there's county funds that have gone in to support those units. And that's the reason why at RRD Hall Square, those units, the the preference cannot be applied there. That doesn't mean that someone with a formerly known address in Sunnyvale cannot go into those units. It's just the preference. They don't rise up to the top of the list.

So you work with the Office of Supportive Housing and their HMIS system to identify the candidates for this?

uh correct actually uh mipin is not in control of who gets referred over to the homeless units they are totally referred to us through the county coordinated entry system and the folks that get referred is based on a system that looks at um highest level of need all right well thank you that's all i have right now thank you uh next one is commissioner figoni please

Thank you for your presentation. I have two questions. One is on the bike storage. Does that include e-bikes? Because I know sometimes people with e-bikes don't like to put their bikes in that storage. They like to take them up to their room, but take them in the elevator and go up. So I'm wondering, has there been a process for that? Because I'm assuming people are going to want to use e-bikes. I'm just wondering, how does that change your design? Or have you take into place and if people are taking those up in their elevators, how that works.

So Midpen's policy around e-bikes is evolving right now. As I think everyone has heard, there's a little bit of a fire problem with the batteries. So the bike parking that is designed right now does accommodate e-bikes and we're doing so on the ground floor podium where it's a concrete level, could fully fire sprinkler that, put floor drains in case the fire sprinkler ever goes off. Currently, I believe there isn't a prohibition against folks bringing their e-bikes or the batteries up to their units, but that may change in the near future. Again, our policy there is evolving to address the issues that we're seeing in more recent months and years.

The second question I had was if in the future the housing requirements change, which they could just with things going on, how could this unit be converted to market rates or a market rate unit? And just curious what would be involved with that? Are these units designed in a way that they would be able to draw a higher income from each unit? or are they designed in such a way that it's a certain income level for rent?

So from MIPEN's perspective, we own and operate all of our buildings. There's no intention to ever convert these to market rate. We hold them in perpetuity. The ground lease with City of Sunnyvale will include long-term requirements. I think it's either going to be 65 or 85 years of affordability. So not in many of our lifetimes will this become a market rate unit.

Okay. All right. Thanks.

Thank you. Commissioner Payne, please.

Thank you. Just one question, and this may also be for staff. I appreciate all of the on-site improvements for pedestrian circulation, but I have some concerns about pedestrian circulation in the area more generally. When it all builds out, all redevelops, it'll be great, but Right now it has not all redeveloped and therefore right now that right now there's basically going to be extreme sidewalk gaps due to due to other properties. This isn't our fault, but have you looked into anything to. I don't even know what this would be because again, this is mostly the fault of other properties. Have you looked into any pedestrian safety enhancements? So people aren't just having to walk in the street when they're trying to get to the station.

That was something that was considered by staff. We spoke to our Department of Public Works before this meeting. There was an email that suggested that the city look at sidewalk infrastructure and or bike lanes along Sonora Court. And according to Public Works, bike lanes is not planned for Sonora Court. And there was acknowledgement that sidewalk improvements are piecemeal, we understand that. There are 11 parcels that are on Sonora Court. Of those 11, there are five that have projects that have either been developed already, are pending, or have already been approved. So almost half of those parcels will have sidewalks in the near future is what we're assuming. But beyond that, there wasn't anything else that the city was considering.

OK. It's just something I keep in mind because whenever I walk over there to either check out how the development's going or just for exercise, it's always pretty striking that there's the path. There's a lot of paths that will get you in the vicinity, but then the last mile or something, I'm basically just walking down the middle of Sonora Court, and it's not a super fast street, but it's not something you ever feel great about doing.

Yeah, and that is on the radar of Public Works as well.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. First of all, I want to say thank you for your presentation, and it was great that you have included all our comments and also you are a great partner. I have visited your, the housing complex, which you have it on like close to 37. And I really appreciate all the work you do to house all affordable units. I have a question about the trash room, that the people, are they going to put the trashes in the trash room on the same floor? How does that work? like people on the seventh or fifth story or sixth story.

I'll take it. Now we do have two trash rooms on each floor and each room has trash chutes that lead down to the ground floor. So tenants would take their trash, open up the chute, you know, put their trash in and that is collected on the ground floor. And it follows closely with the study of Sunnyvale's requirements for solid waste, which is, you know, very detailed. And we work through things like staging travel distance from a unit to a trash room so that everyone has reasonable access to trash.

and it's it gets maintained and it's like i'm just curious because most of the time people have this huge trash can and they throw things and this will be like every floor just um so they will have a big big cans or something that you throw it uh it's a shoot so you imagine is a shoot yeah that takes it all the way to your ground floor and the rooms are ventilated yeah okay yes the holes will be going through that okay it makes sense because it's kind of it will otherwise i was thinking Priti Krishtel- It will collect and you know it will be stinky or something I also want to just mention that you did show that presentation in your presentation that you have a. Priti Krishtel- Like lobby next to them elevator or stairwell but we don't in this floor plan we don't have any lobby there you put furniture or something so that doesn't represent when you put your slideshow it doesn't apply to this project at all, so I don't know. Priti Krishtel- Oh, like, what will you do for the corridor but that's just besides the point just wanted to point that out, but yeah I think I don't have any other question, but I do appreciate all the work you're putting.

Thank you.

Priti Krishtel- Anyone else have any question before okay thanks. Priti Krishtel- um. So now I will go ahead and open the public hearing on this specific item. Please submit a speaker card to the recording officer. Raise your digital hand now or dial star nine on a telephone to indicate you wish to speak. I will call on members of the public participating in person first, followed by remote participants. Speaker will have three minutes to speak. I have one speaker card here. Can you please come forward and say your name? And you have three minutes to speak.

Well, good evening, esteemed members of the Planning Commission. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight, and it's nice to see everybody here again. So my name is Oscar Mazariegos. I'm a field representative with the Carpenters Union. we represent roughly 57 000 members in our region but more specifically the around 5700 members from local 405. so i want to be clear we strongly support development of housing especially 100 affordable housing projects like this one before you tonight on city-owned land Our communities urgently needs it, but as you consider approving this project, I ask that you give equal attention to how this housing will be built and by whom. Affordable housing should not or should never come to the expense of workers who build it. This project is an opportunity to do things the right way, not only providing homes for families in need, but ensuring that this job is created, it creates a fair, safe, and sustainable. That's why selecting a responsible contractor is so critical. A responsible contractor invests in their workforce. They pay area standard wages so workers can live in the communities that they work in. They provide healthcare and retirement benefits for stability and security, and they maintain safe job sites while respecting the skilled tradespeople who make these projects possible. For 100% affordable housing project on public land, this responsibility is even more important. Public trust and public investment must go hand in hand with accountability. Choosing a responsible contractor ensures that this project uplifts everyone's involvement, not just future residents, but also the workers building it. So responsible contractors also support strong apprenticeship programs. These programs create real career pathways for local residents, especially young people, allowing them to earn while they learn, develop valuable skills, and build lasting careers in the trades. This strengthens our workforce, improves projects qualities, and keeps economic benefits in the community. So in closing, I respectfully urge you to prioritize responsible contractors as part of this project's approval. Doing so will ensure that this 100% affordable housing development is not only a success in terms of units delivered, but also a model in fairness, quality, and community investment. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Does anyone else want to speak on this item before we hear from remote speakers? I don't see anyone. remote speakers are warned to limit their comments to the agenda item being considered. Speakers who are ruled out of order will not be given the chance to speak on this item. Recording Officer, do we have any remote participant wishing to speak on this item?

We do not, Vice Chair.

I will close the public hearing and now I will ask for a motion from my colleagues. okay somebody okay i'm going to raise oh i will raise my hand otherwise okay so i will second it okay um oh so is there a second oh sorry um okay is i raised my hand for a second Is there a discussion or advocacy on the motion?

There wasn't a motion.

Oh, yes. What did you say?

Point of order, a motion has not been made and I would deserve that Commissioner Davis raised his hand.

Okay, I got it. So that was regarding the comments. Thank you.

Okay. Excuse me. Sorry. Chair Shukla, if I could just remind you that the applicants are allotted five more minutes of closing.

Sorry. I know I'm filling up for the chair. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Okay. Got it. Got it. So I will here here the public hearing and i the applicant will have five minutes um to speak on the item or answer any questions if you haven't answered thanks

oh yeah sorry we ran out of time a little bit earlier I'll just finish the point that you know when uh midpen is thinking about the design of this building we are focused on the things that people looking for affordable housing say matters most to them and that is of course affordability as in can they afford the rent here which we spoke a little bit about earlier um The next concern that's actually most cited is the livability of the units. And so on that front, COT Square has done a really elaborate job trying to create units that are both efficient and functional. Thirdly, the concern that is actually next most raised as a concern for people seeking affordable housing is one of safety. They are curious who their neighbors are gonna be. Is the building gonna be safe? Is the larger neighborhood a safe place for their family? So along those lines, Hawaii mentioned earlier that we'll of course have secure entries. We design spaces to encourage eyes on the street, et cetera. but we will also have a robust onsite property management and resident services to support the safety and wellbeing of our residents. So all in all, we have worked hard together with city staff to propose a building that reflects both the city's goal to urgently provide affordable housing alongside with supporting the needs of the residents that are gonna live here. Throughout the process, we have shaped this project in a way that's grounded in what low-income housing, low-income households tell us matter most, which again is the affordability, functional units and safety. And to the question of parking, it is certainly a consideration. And we've aimed to balance that responsibly alongside these other essential needs. It's a it's it's an important consideration, but not the only one. So thank you again for your consideration of this project. We have really appreciate your thoughtful comments.

Thank you. Okay. Okay. So now I'll ask for a motion from my colleagues. Point of order. Okay. Sorry about it. I will close the public hearing now. And I will now ask for a motion from my colleagues. I'm just in rush to have a motion, but sorry about it. Okay. So now, okay, is there a discussion or advocacy on the motion? So Mr. Davis, please, Commissioner Davis.

Thank you, Chair. I'm actually ready with the motion if there's no discussion needed or we could do it as part of the motion.

I see your hand up. I had a quick question for staff that I don't think is going to impact the motion.

Okay, I'll yield the floor to Commissioner Pine then. Thank you.

A quick question to staff. If City Council wanted to add something like the lease agreement or something regarding like a project labor agreement or similar, what would be the appropriate time for that to happen?

would say probably if they renegotiated the lease or anything with midpen um they have it already set up because we purchased the property and they have a ground lease to construct the building okay just i'm not going to try to i don't think it would be appropriate to try to do something like that tonight i just want to yeah it'll be up to the council to make that decision because yeah that's city counseling i just wanted to throw that out there especially in response to comments from the public so thank you

Okay, thank you, Commissioner Pine. Okay, so I'm ready to make a motion, and my motion is alternative to as staff has recommended in the presentation. And that is that the Planning Commission makes the findings required to approve a CEQA determination that the project is consistent with the Lawrence Station Area Plan and the LSAP Program EIR and 2021 LSAP Update Intuitive Surgical Corporate campus project subsequent EIR and no additional environmental review is required as described in the final environmental checklist in attachment five. And we approve the special development permit based on the findings in attachment three and the modified conditions of approval. And that is the motion.

Excuse me, Madam chair may make a comment just to clarify the motion. I mean, just be self for continuity for folks just tuning in right now. So I believe that the end of that motion would be subject to the conditions of approval and attachment for, um, with the uh edit to condition number 33 to remove the public access area provision all is recommended by staff is that correct commission yes yes thank you is there a second is there a question okay we're looking for a second is there a second we have two seconds so

raised my hand with the intent to second.

Commissioner Payne?

Second.

Thank you. Okay. And before we go for, I think Commissioner Cerrone, do you have any questions?

I'll just speak to the motion, but the...

Okay, so thank you. So I will now...

Okay.

So... Is there an advocacy on the motion? So Commissioner Davis.

Yes. To my motion. I mean, this is why we did the Lawrence Station area plan, right? Not entirely for this, right? But to bring housing to this area of town. This is city owned land. We have a developer who has worked very effectively with us in the past and in the present. So they've been very cooperative and just done everything that we've asked and have proven to be a good partner. So this is a very good project. I do think about, I guess, the history of affordable housing and how far we've come. The architecture for this is fantastic. This is going to blend into the neighborhood, and I grew up in a time when public housing was stigmatized. You could always tell that it was public housing, and it was rough for the children who grew up in it because everybody knew and would use that against them. And seeing how far that we've come, that They've made such an effort for it to blend into the neighborhood. It's positioned in an area of growing resources. This is just an excellent project. Now, when we talk about parking and transportation in the area, Parking is a societal problem for us right now. Our economy is so dependent upon parking. We know that we have too much of it in the wrong places and so on. And unfortunately, we're just not a... It's not a greenfield country, right? So getting to where, evolving to where we need to be is going to be challenging. But they followed, they've done everything that we've asked of them. And so there's no way that we could deny it. uh transportation on sonora i'm very sensitive to that unfortunately that's not part of the planning commission scope i do think this is a gap in city governance right now and that we don't have a commission that looks at this i suppose the pedestrians bpac is advisory on the pedestrians but as far as when automobiles get involved they're not um and But that's not the status of this application doesn't hinge on that. So obviously I made the motion, so I'm supporting it, and I encourage my fellow Commissioners to support it as well. Thank you.

Thank you. And Commissioner Payne, please.

Thank you. so applicant opened their comments by noting how applicant was pleased with how 1178 sonora has turned out so fun fact uh the study session on the 1178 site was the second thing i ever heard on this commission it was about half an hour it was the second item on our study session agenda my very first day on the commission uh and i'm also pleased with how it turns out with So, and one, so one of the things that's not something that we technically, I think are supposed to be taking into account is, but when I see great projects like this come before the commission, one of the things to think about is, okay, is this actually gonna get built or is it just kind of gonna happen and we're gonna approve it and it's gonna look cool and that's gonna be five years later and nothing happens. It, it happened and. I don't and that's not going to happen with this project like they're like, I fully expect to go into a proof it, and then five years it's going to be there. It's going to be open, and it's going to be a house, and it's going to be housing new or previously homeless Sundayville residents. And that's awesome. Yeah, there's it's yeah, and so As previously noted, this is the depressingly rare occasion where the applicant is actually using the state density bonus law to get more density, and they're matched to do it without a I'd say a baker's dozen, but honestly, sometimes it feels more like a baker's two dozen of concessions and waivers. And even the concessions and waivers they're requesting, they're at least trying, African is at least trying to meet the intent of said design standards. So that's great. It's going to be, it's a very interesting contrast to the project city councils here tomorrow night on that front. That's all I'll say about that. The I'm able to make the sequel findings. I'm able to make the special development permit findings. I actually really like the discussion about the garbage shoots that occurred to me that this means that if you're a resident there, you could basically eat, shoot, and leave. But no, regarding the discussion about the traffic and people trying to get places, I do share someone's concern, but when I'm hearing about problems with students getting to school, ultimately, if we're approving affordable housing in North Sunnyvale, that's going to be a problem, and it's not something the applicant can do. The appropriate thing is to add a time travel condition of approval to stop Sunnyvale High from getting shut down, and I believe it exceeds the authority of this commission to impose conditions of approval requiring applicants to develop time travel. So I I don't think I have to ask ask a city attorney whether violating causality is in order from the planning commission. So no, it's it is. But no, it is a genuine problem. When I hear people taking Caltrain to VTA, my first question is, does the Caltrain schedule and the VTA schedule remotely align at that time of day? Because with all of VTA's routes, well, on 20 to 30 minute headways, it very frequently is uncoordinated. But I haven't checked the exact timing on school days. That's but again, that's outside. That's not something we can solve. That's not something that's reasonable to expect. Applicant does all that's something that's reasonable to expect mtc and various transit agencies to solve. And but again, that's a political problem. And as noted, this is within walking distance to the Costco. It's within walking distance to the Nob Hill Groceries. I've done that walk a few times, just mostly for exercise. People are doing it. People will keep doing it. We haven't talked, we haven't really talked about the trees at this hearing and I think it's and like the like the project at 1178 I think it's great that the vast majority of the existing trees. The existing trees are being retained that Sonora Court has it just when you're walking down it hopefully with better sidewalks in the near future. But when you're walking down it just the whole aesthetic of Sonora Court with all those all those Redwood trees is outstanding and I love that this project is just keeping that aesthetic going but now but now with with over a hundred new residents that will get to enjoy that aesthetic every day so this is a great project I look forward to it being built I I will be very happy to be voting for it tonight thank you um commissioner Cerrone please

Thank you, Vice Chair. So I will be supporting the motion. It's hard to argue with a fully affordable housing project. I can make the findings, including for the special development permit. There are no legal grounds to deny this project. Not that I want to. So I focus on the lack of parking. and to some extent the lack of locked storage. But parking in particular, our legislature in their wisdom has apparently decided that in a couple of years we will all be riding bikes and taking transit and will no longer need cars. And that's a great sounding world I can imagine. as a legislature goes to work that the line of bicycles with the legislators arriving to get to work must be a real traffic jam there. So essentially what the both state law and my understanding is state financing does require lower level of parking than you would a couple years ago than you would normally have thought made sense. So the way I look at it, this is effectively moving the responsibility for lacking, since we haven't had, which would be needed, a massive increase in the funding for mass transit, uh it moves the responsibility for supporting people living under these situations to the city or to the developer and uh to their credit uh uh midpen has done practically the you know everything they can do given the fact that the assumption is there's going to be you know a minimal amount of parking to support these residents. So they've already looked into different alternatives and transit passes. And I think it will take more than that. And I think the citywide on demand shuttle will go a long way towards plugging that gap. So I think that's really important. And I definitely appreciate the work that they have done in good faith to address the situation because people are going to need to get around to doctor's appointments or take their kids to school. They may be working two jobs and just getting on the train is not going to work for a lot of those situations. So but this is a sign that this is a great project. I could have said a lot of things about the design as well, which I think is very Mark Warren, Attractive and very functional so i'm happy to support this. Mark Warren, i'll mention, I think. Mark Warren, The lower station plan. Mark Warren, Does permit mixed use in fact that was originally a lot more mixed use and now and then we've added more housing to it, but I don't expect to see any of that in this area. soon, given the current situation. I think in many ways, state law has precluded the Lawrence Station plant. But nevertheless, this is a great project, and I'm happy to support it.

Thank you. And I will say I'm going to also say some good words. I'm going to support them. As Commissioner Davis said, that it's it's affordable housing unit project and it doesn't look affordable. It has a richness like because even though and I think that's one and Midpen has been a great partner for Sunnyvale City because they haven't they could have easily skimmed on the different materials and made it because it takes more construction cost, more time, but they have given enough Priti H Parikh- enough time and energy to think about to fit in the building fits into them neighborhood. Priti H Parikh- It looks like the other it looks even better than some of the apartment buildings across cash costco mountain you side, so I would think that it's um it's a it's amazingly cleverly use the materials fulfilling the city's guideline. So that one is one second one is that also the mid pen could have, uh, reduced the parking based on the state, um, law, but we still, they have still provided enough parking for them. People, uh, for the people who can, who want, who has cars and who wants to have cars. So I think we also are trying to, um, kind of change the habits of people to like use them. transportation, mass transportation, and hopefully there will be enough need that we will have some transportation means and we don't need to go one car to every bedroom. So I'm hoping, so I think moving forward and thinking forward, it's a great project. It's a great location. There will be offices coming along. We have approved two, three projects around in the neighborhood. So I'm hoping to see them come up and it's very slowly coming up. So hopefully we then will take over and quickly make this project so that I'll be supporting the project. With that, I'm going to, I see no other hands. So recording officers, please conduct a vote.

motion passes with six yeses and chair iglesias absent thank you and all the best and um then our standing item consideration went the fate of the motion chair vice chair so it's uh the decision's final for 15 days unless it's appealed to the city council and which would be april 7th oh

thank you and the non-agenda items and comments the next portion of the agenda for the oral reports or any non-agenda items from the staff or for them um thank you

Commissioners have anything? I'll go really quick.

Pardon?

No. No? Okay. Two things. Tomorrow is the appeal of the Nagayan project. So that'll be going to city council. And then April 7th, we'll be taking the Cal Water project to city council for the public hearing for the EIR, but we're just going to do a continuance to May 5th.

i thought thank you thank you very much and the meeting is adjourned at 8 26.