Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Good evening. Let's call to the order the special planning commission meeting study session of February 2026 at 05:30PM. The city doesn't tolerate disruptive behavior in our meetings. This planning commission meeting is considered a limited public forum, which means the commission can regulate the time, place, and manner of speech. Speaker comment must be limited to the agenda item being considered by the commission.

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Chair Iglesias.

Present.

Commissioner Ceroni.

Present.

Commissioner Sugura?

Present.

Vice chair Shukla?

Present.

We have four commissioners present.

Thank you. Moving on to our first item, twenty six dash zero three one four. It's a planning commission study session for discussion and comment only for related applications on 1.45 acre site. Okay. It's a special development permit to consider the re redevelopment of a commercial site into a 28 unit three story townhomes development and vesting tentative map to subdivide the existing lot into 28 lots and one common lot.

Location is 494 South Bernardo Avenue. Zoning is r 3. And is there a staff report?

Yes. There is. Thank you. Good evening, chair, members of the planning commission, and members of the public. My name is Wendy Lau, senior planner. The item before you tonight is a study session for planning application twenty twenty five zero three eight four for a proposed residential project at 494 South Bernardo Drive. The application consists I'm sorry. Oh, I think this is the wrong presentation. I'm sorry. I think this is the staff's pleasant presentation.

Thank you. Thank you. And I can continue. The application consists of a special development permit to construct a 28 unit three story townhome development. The application also includes a vesting tenant map to subdivide the existing lot into 28 lots and one common lot.

The site is located at the Southwest corner of South Bernardo Avenue and West Olive Avenue. It is currently occupied by a one storey building, which was previously used as a childcare center and is currently vacant. The surrounding area consists of a two story consists of two story multifamily residential buildings to the north, east and west and single story residences to the south. Further to the south, just below El Camino Real, are grocery stores and restaurants. The subject site is 1.45 acres or 62,162 square feet.

The site has a general plan land use designation of residential medium. The site is zoned R3, medium density residential, which allows for the proposed use. The proposed project would demolish the existing building, which was constructed in 1958 to allow for the new multifamily development. On the screen is the site plan. The proposed project consists of six buildings totaling 28 units.

Each unit would have three to four bedrooms and two side by side garage parking spaces. The site also includes eight visitor parking spaces, six towards the east, parallel parking and two near the center of the site. There will be two driveway entrances built along West Olive Avenue. Units facing the street would have individual entrances directly from the street. On the screen are the elevations for one of the four unit buildings, this one which has a frontage along both Bernardo Avenue and Olive Avenue.

The buildings are three stories tall and total 41 feet height. The upper story of the building consists of vertical lapsiding, board and batten and horizontal lapsiding. On the Ground Floor facing South Bernardo Avenue is a combination of stucco brick veneer and lapsiding and only stucco on the West Olive Avenue elevation. On the screen is a streetscape elevation of the proposed project along South Bernardo Avenue above and West Olive Avenue on the bottom, next to the existing buildings. This is a rendering from the street intersection, which shows both sides of the development.

And this rendering shows the Olive Avenue side of the project. The applicant is requesting numerous waivers from the development standards, including lot coverage, building height, setbacks and buffers as allowed through the state density bonus law. One requested waiver, which staff has received community feedback about, is regarding the loading space. The objective design standards requires a minimum of one loading space per building, which must be at least 35 feet length and three fifty square feet. While the applicant proposes eight standard visitor parking spaces, which are 8.5 by 22 feet each, they have not proposed any dedicated loading spaces.

Since the community meeting, the applicant is considering alternative design options to accommodate a dedicated loading zone, such as by potentially enlarging one visitor parking space and potentially relocating a transformer closer to the street frontage as needed. The applicant has also indicated they will continue to explore design solutions following tonight's study session. The applicant held an in person community meeting last week on February 5. Approximately seven members of the public attended, expressing support for housing, building design and trees. The attendees also expressed concerns regarding traffic and the absence of a on-site dedicated loading zone.

Staff received a total of four public comment letters generally providing more details about the traffic concern in this neighborhood. Tonight, staff is seeking the Planning Commission's feedback on several topics. The first is general feedback regarding the site layout. The second is architectural design, particularly on the frontage along Olive Avenue. The third is general feedback regarding the requested waivers, including any feedback about a dedicated loading zone. This concludes staff's presentation. The applicant is also here tonight to provide a presentation. Thank you.

Thank you. Now I'll have questions from my colleagues to the for the staff. And we have just a second. I'm seeing the hands. We have chair, Atlassias, please.

Thank you, vice chair. Thank you for the presentation. What discretion does the planning commission in the city have in this instance?

The project is compliant with the city's code and also whether or not they're using state density bonus waivers. So it seems that

Yeah. Would end up being sorry, Wendy. Yeah. It'd be consistent with state law with SB three thirty and the Housing Accountability Act, and that's the request for the waivers, the applicant is able to do. Okay.

May may I supplement that? Thank you. I think though at the study session stage, the applicants are inviting comments on things like, requested waivers, so it would be appropriate for the Planning Commission to comment on them.

Yeah. No. I agree. Yeah. The reason I ask is it's not it's also important for the those that are attending the meeting to understand. Alright. Next question I had was regarding distance between the buildings. I saw that it was the required is 20. I I I would assume that had something to do with health and safety. They respect to fire. Maybe it doesn't. They're requesting 12 feet. Can you speak to that?

Our zoning code requests, yes, 20 feet minimum. However, the applicant is proposing 12 feet, and I believe that they would be complying with any building and fire code requirements.

Okay.

But it's mainly a a thing for light and air. It's mainly the Okay.

That's all.

Thank you for that.

Okay. No further questions. Thank you so much.

Do we have questions from my colleagues to the staff? Don't see. Maybe I have one second. No. I don't have any questions. So, okay, so I see no questions for the staff from my colleagues. So is there an applicant report? Please. Ten we have ten minutes. Thanks.

You guys for hearing the project tonight. Wendy, thank you for the presentation. We're excited about the project. We think it's a a nice fit for a community We force those over developer. And so I have the architects, two line architects on the call, and my civil engineer in case there's any questions, related to that. But we're very excited about the project, and we look forward to, your guys' comments on the project. And I'll let, my architect take give a little presentation.

Thanks, Boris. Can y'all hear my audio? Let me try to share screen as well, please. So my name is Eric. I'm a senior planner with Dahlen Architecture.

We have Jamie who's our senior architect as well. Dahlen is an architecture and planning firm headquartered in Pleasanton. We have fifty years of residential experience, including a lot of local residential experience in Sunnyvale and surrounding cities. We have Scott Short from BKF, who's a civil, along with us tonight. And we have much of what we covered in our previous presentation to the neighborhood was covered by Wendy, so thank you very much for that.

I'll skim through much of what I was prepared to present, and I think we'll be mostly focused on, any any q and a and study session after that. I'll point out that we have a common open space in the center of the plan, and we've we've organized our buildings around that. We provided loop circulation for vehicular access to try to make it as easy for people to get in and out as we could on this site, getting as many front doors facing the perimeter streets as we can, including on these buildings that are side turned relative to West Olive. We have side turned entries on those buildings, so you'll see front doors there as well. Wendy mentioned the guest parking.

So in addition to the two spaces in each garage, we have eight guest parking spaces here. One of them is in ADA van space and one is in DB van space. We have a handful of transformers, drainage basins, and landscape competing for area on the site as well. The 12 foot minimum spacing occurs here where we're trying to get as close as we can to accommodating the minimum front setback requirement here. As Wendy mentioned, we are compliant with building and fire code, but that's where that waiver request occurs.

Here's a diagram of the site circulation, including the vehicular circulation in gray. Auto parking space is shown as blue rectangles and the darker blue for the surface spaces. Our accessible path, to get from our adaptable units to open space and front doors is shown here in a dash red line. We have a diagram here showing our open space and building coverage on-site, and these will each be this is proposed to divide into individual lots. These will be fee simple homes.

Here's our best in tentative map. Our landscape plan here shows our tree locations and and replacement tree table. We're planting more than are required as far as replacement trees. And at this point, I'll pass over to Jamie to talk about the architectural content.

Thanks, Eric. So as presented briefly in Wendy's report, we have these three story townhomes. You can see from these renderings, we have some nice articulation between units, and we're very different colors and materials and roof forms to kinda provide some the unit individuality. Let's go to the next slide, please. Alright. This shows the circulation around, the rear of the property. Let's go to the next slide. Alright. This is a streetscape also shown briefly in the staff report. So we're showing, the proposed new structures in context with existing structures in the neighborhood.

And next slide. Alright. So here are elevations of one of the buildings showing again those kinds of various materials that are articulating the different units, and keep going. And this is our proposed color material palette for all of the buildings. And that's it for our presentation.

So you will have five minutes after when when's everybody ask questions. Thank you. So now I'll open up for my colleagues to ask questions to the applicants. We have commissioner, please.

Thanks, vice chair. So some just a couple of questions for the applicant. The eight visitor parking spaces, are they for anybody who's visiting, or are

they assigned to specific units? Yeah. They're strictly less than anybody visiting. Yeah.

So these are townhouses for sale? Yes. So how do you handle the common area? Is there an HOA or something? No.

We're we're sure everything number one.

And this is all electric?

I believe so. Yeah. I think it's not a requirement.

Well, that requirement comes and goes. I think it is a requirement again.

Scott, can you Scott, can you comment on that?

It is all electric.

Okay. Thank you. Let's see. And I just wanna mention that recessed windows are nice. Some developers find that impossible to do, so I'm glad to see that.

I think this is really a question for staff. Some neighbors have raised questions about traffic safety on Bernardo. I think that's not, you know, specifically tied to this project, but related. Is is are you aware of anything being done to look at that, to look at whether traffic calming, some some kind of traffic study?

Since the neighborhood meeting staff has spoken to the polite works department, they've clarified that this project will not require a traffic study given the size of the project, 28 residential units. However, they said that if any if there are any requested traffic calming measures or streetlight improvements, they can make that request through the city. The city has a website and a process to consider these requests.

Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you.

Thank you. We have next is the chair Atelicius, please.

Thank you, vice chair. I wanna say I think the project looks very beautiful. I'm very supportive of it. I do have a question about, I'm not sure I fully understood the the plan of possibly converting one of the parking spots into a loading spot or making one of the parking spots larger? Could you help me understand that more?

Yeah. So we kinda just, talked about this with last week, our outreach meeting with Wendy. So it's kinda something we're exploring as you the loop goes, you enter the road on the right. We're possibly thinking about taking away, I guess, parking spot to add an unloading area. So I think the trade off would be losing, I guess, spot to do this.

So given the amount of public response we received, which it it seems like more than than we usually get,

which

is great when we get that level of public engagement. And since a lot of it also had to do with concern around delivery drivers, DoorDash, Uber Eats, you name it, that seems like that might be the right move simply because if there's concern with a lot of vehicles, especially delivery drivers coming and going, that type of frequency would probably pose a greater risk to the area, especially if people I'm not sure where else they're gonna be necessarily double parking, a lot of the community raised concerns about a lack of parking impacted parking already. So I think that I to me, it would make sense to have a park as a designated designated space for that loading and unloading of, like, five minutes or what have you because I think that having that designated would prevent what people might otherwise do, which is just illegally park in front, which is gonna create with the drivers right there, it's gonna make it much more difficult to safely enter and exit.

Okay. Yeah. We'll look at that for sure.

Thank you.

Thank you. I I I have a I've nobody has question. I'm going to ask question. I have a question. So I have three questions. One is, like, the trees. You are only saving three trees on the street, and there was another tree. So other trees which you are planting are going to be mature enough because it looks like it's very covered on the Bernardo Avenue, and then it will be very empty.

Yeah. I think some of the trees we're removing are just in bad shape. But if your question is, can we plant bigger box trees? We can definitely do that. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, that's one. The second one was, you have on your, exterior finishes. You have those four, colors, orange, red, green. Is that the door colors?

Those are the front door colors. Yeah.

Oh, that's so good because I I was hoping that it's because it's, like, it's going to create some identity for the units. So I really like that. I also like that your yours your units are staggered from windows are not just across to cross. So even though they are closer, you don't look into directly from one window to other. So that's the good point.

And then the other question I had was, you had this central park, and you have suggested few benches, which is concrete benches. And I think that it's like somehow, I feel that it's, like, almost, like, not usable. Concrete benches are I wish that you can, like, provide them because you have a lot of waivers, and I can't we can't force it. But if you have a art kind in your central part where it's, like, bench is, like, kind of art or little protected so people can use it, and from when the they they pass the olive straight, they can see that. So I was just wondering that if you can somehow make that central apart more usable and not just open.

Like, you have two trees and some benches, but those either the benches with some kind of structure, so so they can when they're sitting, it's a little private. It's not like you close them up, but some kind of privacy or something or, some plants or if you can design, that'll be great. Because then

Yep. We can do that.

Okay. Thank you. That's the only question I have. That's for me. And now I'm going so now I'll go ahead and open the public comment on this specific item. We have some oh, okay. And before I open that, we have one more question from commissioner, please.

Sorry about that. Hi. Thanks for your presentation. Quick question. On the first page of the document, it says that there's accessible stalls of 5%. So there's point four required, so that's how you get the one ADA stall. But yet there's a lot of bike parking. So I'm just kinda wondering, how do you how do you figure out the the the percentage of your guest stalls? Because I guess that determines the amount of ADA spaces you would have.

Eric, you wanna comment on that one?

Sure. Yeah. So two garage spaces are provided for each townhome. Those are resident stalls. The remaining surface stalls are what we counted as guest stalls, and so there's there's eight. That's what we applied the 5% to.

Okay. So you come up with that number eight. How did let me have a second. How did you come up with eight again?

For the am am I correctly understanding that you're asking about the guest auto parking stalls?

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's yeah. So the less the less guest stalls you have, the less ADA requirements you have, obviously, is what

The ADA requirement is a percentage of the guest stalls. Yes. So we have two guest stalls here that are head in stalls. We have an additional six that are parallel stalls along the right hand side here, and so that's where our eight stalls total are.

Eight stalls. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Any I'll go ahead and open the public comment on this specific item. Please submit a speaker card on to the recording officer. Raise your digital hand now or dial 9 on a telephone to indicate you wish to speak. I will call on members of the public participating in person first followed by remote participants.

Speaker will have three minutes to speak. Do we have any speaker to speak from here? So there is nobody in the hall. So remote speakers are want to limit their comments to the agenda item being considered. Speakers who are ruled out of the order will not be given another chance to speak on this item. Recording officer, do we have any remote participant wishing to speak on this item?

We do not, vice chair.

Okay. So I will close public comment, and that leads to to the next sorry. So you have the applicant has five more minutes to present or ask any questions or have any thoughts.

I I don't really have any closing comments, but Eric, if you if there's any one, feel free.

Okay. The the one thing I'll point out, I guess, is hearing you loud and clear on the loading space. We talked about some of the options during our or after the neighborhood meeting. And just pointing out that we do have this hatched area that's a drainage basin. We have a a required accessible pathway, a transformer with clearances surrounding it, and trying to leave enough queuing area before the first space.

So as much as we will try to accommodate that loading space, increasing the size of the parking space may prove difficult because of all these things competing for the same limited area on-site. So just wanna point out that we are we are gonna give it our best shot to address that comment and provide if possible. Thank you very much for giving us an opportunity to share. We appreciate all your time.

Thank you. Yeah. And just to recap from that, community meeting, the concern was about rideshare drivers or food delivery drop offs. And so, also, even by having that loop road, there's a place for rideshare drivers to wait to pick someone up from the community within that loop road rather than being out on one of the main roads. So if it's able to if we're able to actually add a space, then we're exploring that. But that was also a part of the conversation with the community that that loop road provides a place for drivers to get off of the main roads.

Thank you. I have a we have a question from commissioner Ceroni, please.

Thanks, vice chair. Just to follow-up on that, is the loop one way?

No. The loop is two ways.

But it it sounds like you feel like there's room there to for, you know, like a Uber driver or delivery or something to to stop in that driveway and deliver something and then keep going without blocking people, you know, in the in that loop. Is that correct?

I think that they would be double parking, and they would technically be, you know, blocking somebody trying to go down the same path. I think the merit is that that that blocking just doesn't happen on the main perimeter streets. It's only within the drive aisle was, I think, Jamie's point.

Yeah. And by by blocking, I mean, it it is wide enough that it's a two way street. So if a car was temporarily parked waiting for someone, the other car could just go around them. So it's not like the entire width of the street would be blocked by a vehicle that was floating.

Right. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, commissioner Saroni. And I don't see any other hands, so I think that's that's that's it for this, thank you for presentation.

Okay. Thank you, guys.

We are moving to the next item. Item number 26Dash0304. It is the the project is the the special development permit to demolish the existing 2,600 square feet restaurant building and construct 29 townhome style condominiums and one live dash work unit within five story five within five three story buildings, and this is on 1.2 acres. This also, it's to merge two parcels into one lot and create 30 condominium units. The location is 1313 South Wolf Road.

And do we have a staff report? Yes. Thank you.

Good evening, chair, vice chair, planning commissioners, and members of public. My name is Mary Jay Prakash. I'm the planner on this project. The proposal is for a special development permit and tentative parcel map. The project proposes a 30 unit condominiums, including one live work unit.

This project is subject to planning commissions review for approval. The site is to the south of El Camino Real, and it is close to Fremont Avenue and Wolf Road intersection. The site is surrounded by condominiums to the left and apartments below. The project site is 1.2 acres. It consists of two lots, awaken site to the north, which you can see on the left hand side of the slide, and Wendy's restaurant to the south, which is currently boarded up and not in operation.

There is a VTA bus stop and to the Northeast of the site. The site is rezoned from C 1, neighborhood commercial, to r three, medium density residential, with mixed use and planned development combined district. This project has come a long way. The general plan initiation was approved in 2021, and city council directed staff to study impacts of the change of zoning. Staff started the general plan amendment studies in 2022, which included economic evaluation, and we also did initial study and mitigated negative declaration for environmental review.

So in 2024, all studies were complete, and rezoning was approved by the city council. Last year, the applicant applied for s p three thirty preliminary review and formal application. The current zoning allows this residential development with mixed use component. It's not moving.

Oh, thank you.

Okay. So this slide shows the overall site layout with Wolf Road on the top. It shows the building placement, circulation, parking, and landscape areas. The units are arranged in six three story buildings separated by private driveways. Here you see four bedroom units covered in yellow colored in yellow, three bedroom units cover colored in pink and blue, and the proposed one live work unit colored in orange.

For parking, the project has two car garage for each unit, and that they are proposing a total of three guest parking spaces. Landscape is shown in light green along Wolf Road. It's also shown in between Building 2 And 3 and shown behind Building 61 And 6. So the project is going for modern architectural style. Key design elements of the style includes simple rectangular forms, metal panels, wood sidings, metal awnings.

This elevation is along Wolf Road, and it demonstrates how the building mass is broken down by the different materials and colors with by using varied setbacks, varied roof lines. This is streetscape view along Wolf Road from viewing from south. Those staff find that the overall building design meets the city's design guidelines. We still believe that the design can be improved further, especially provide more articulations on rear and side elevations with different colors, materials, because staff do find that the some portions of the elevations are little monotonous. This is one of the topics that staff is seeking planning commission's feedback on.

These are perspective views of the first two buildings from the South. The first view is seen from Wolf Road, and the second view is between the buildings. These views show the proposed private garages and pedestrian access doors. These are perspective views of Building 2 And 3. The first view is seen from Wolf Road, and the second one is between the back of the buildings.

These are perspective views of Building 45, And 6. The first view is from Wolfroot, where you can see the tallest structure with exposed trusses and wooden plasters, which is the proposed live work unit. The second view is from standing in the middle of the site on the private driveway facing north. These are perspective views of Building 5 And 6. The first view is between the buildings, and the second view is from the back of the Building 6.

Okay. So these are the requested waivers to deviate from city's zoning standards. This project has allowed waivers to help meet the allowed density. Though these are common waivers that we are seeing nowadays in similar projects, staff do remain concerned, especially waiver number five for providing insufficient guest parking. Here, the requirement is 30 plus, but they are providing only three spaces.

And staff is also concerned about waiver number six for not providing any loading and loading parking spaces. And as you know, these are the ones that cater to delivery or moving vans, and they don't have any designated space to park. Okay. A community outreach meeting was held last month, and there were 11 neighbors and one city council member in attendance. There was general community support for the proposed density.

Most of the concerns received were for traffic at the intersection of Fremont and Wolf Road, and some comments are about accessibility in and out of the site. There were concerns regarding loss of commercial and the proposal providing few only few guest parking. And there was also some questions about what a live work unit is and rezoning, and when the rezoning happened and noticing for rezoning and all that. So staff is seeking planning commission's feedback on the proposed design and requested waivers. This concludes staff presentation.

We have here the applicant's team, and we also have Citi's traffic engineer attending remotely. We are happy to in answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation, and I'll have we have we

have questions from my colleagues. Commissioner Pine, please.

Thank you, vice chair. Thank you, staff, for that presentation. I had a couple of kinda technical questions about the zoning and the uses for this. So as I understood it from the project caption, they're proposing to essentially merge the two lots, and the two lots have have different underlying zonings. One of them is r three MU. One of them is r three p. Does that is that a problem? Because it strikes hands it might be that it might be a problem.

Do you mean to ask, is that a problem with respect to how it can be reviewed? Or

Like, is it's like, are there is there any issue with the having a scenario where we okay. This gets approved down there. Now we have a one lot that's kind of half zoned r three well, not half. Like, a third zoned r three MU and, like, two thirds zoned r three PD. Like, is this something we have to worry about when approving the kind of MAX?

I do not mean, we do not see that as an issue for the reason that this project has gone through general plan amendment, and that was the recommendation that we provided for the reason that we wanted to include commercial component in the in the site. But at the same time, when we did our economic evaluation, the findings suggested that commercial just won't work for the Wendy's lot. So that's the reason why we restricted the mixed use component just on the first site and kept the second site not as a mixed use, including a commercial component. And in terms of review, we are thinking that we we we should be able to review them together because this is one property.

Right. I'm just my concern is just that at the end of the day, I think we're leaving having one lot with two different zonings on it seems a little unusual.

Are they not bridging, if that is your question? They're not doing a lot merger. So they are keeping the zones assets, and they are only doing subdivision for the condominium purposes.

Okay. Maybe I and it's possible I misread the caption of this item.

They they are keeping the two parcels assist. Within that, they are doing condo maps on both of them. So they're not combining both both of them into one one parcel, if that was your concern.

It said on okay. The header for this item was tentative map to merge two parcels into one lot and create 30 condominium units. So that's why I was concerned about that. So if I'm if I'm totally off base, then I will be happily totally off base. But, like, when I saw the word merge in the

Oh, okay. Project.

Thank you

so much. I'm let let me look into that if it's really a merger. Maybe it's a typo. I'll look into that.

Okay. Thanks. That was one question I had. The other one was this is also in the same kind of technical part was that this is proposing to put the live work unit in the R 3 PD area. And my question was, where does where what where does the live work unit fall in, like, the use table for and I don't even have the use table in front of me right now, so I'm fine just getting an answer to this one when it comes to a public hearing.

But, like, I was a little unclear where that what kind of bucket of uses that fell under from, like, vis a vis the use table because I was just trying to figure out whether this was actually considered to be a permitted use for just pure for just all its planned development. But, like, for r three without the mixed use component because I seemed just and I because it just seemed to me that saying that allowing an otherwise unpermitted use would might be an issue. But I wasn't sure that it was actually an unpermitted use. I wasn't sure what bucket it fell into.

Commissioner Pyle, that's a very good question. Because we were also perplexed in the beginning that they are not proposing the commercial component in the mixed use parcel, and they are doing it in the so we did look at it closely. So with R 3

Sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. You're fine. Our commissioner, fine. It actually, it has the R 3 and u, right, for the where the live work unit's going?

No. No. It's in in the specifically in the So

we thought, what we are planning to do is in R 3 zone, the use table allows professional offices through STP.

Right.

So the labor unit would eventually be professional offices with commercial residential component in it. So that's how we are planning to review it.

Okay. If it's if it's approvable via an STP, obviously, that we'd be approving the STP, so it wouldn't be a problem. I just wanted to I just wanted to check because, you know, there's uses we can approve with an STP, and then there's other uses that we just couldn't approve. And I I will just flag that I would be uncomfortable saying that an s p three thirty waiver allowed you to just permit an unpermitted use that feels like it could go into very, very, very, very bad places. So but STP STP is fine.

Yes. That's that's the right concern.

Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I had for now. I'll have I'll have more for the applicant.

Thank you. We have commissioner Ceroni, please.

Thanks, vice chair. Thanks for the presentation. Let's see. Do I are these 30 are they ownership townhouses?

Yes.

Okay. They aren't condominiums. They're all townhouses. The live work unit, when I looked at the municipal code, seemed like the definition of a live work unit was a single unit, that meaning a studio loft or one bedroom. Is that not the case?

That's not the case here. So it it's typically done in a studio or one bedroom, but here, the entire proposal only includes three bedroom and four bedroom units. So they are proposing it in one of the three bedroom units, and that's not gonna be a problem. They would still be able to meet all of the all of the requirements of of that chapter for the live live work unit because there are some special conditions that they have to meet, which they bill.

Okay. Are you saying that they're getting they're getting a waiver for that? Or

This is so it does will look into it closely, but my understanding is that it is not limited to studio or bedrooms, one bedroom. It's it can be housed in any any size residential unit. But I I will look into it.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a paragraph in there that defines it as being you know, a live work unit is defined as a single unit. For example, studio loft or one bedroom.

Mhmm.

But maybe there's another paragraph somewhere that has a different definition. So if they wanted to, can the commercial requirement be waived?

It's one of the requested waivers that they are asking for because the live work unit, only 50% of the square footage can be counted towards commercial. Even then, they are only meeting 75% of the commercial requirement of the 10% of the lot area they have to provide. So they are seeking waiver on that.

So that is one of the waivers?

Yes.

Okay. In that case, that would presumably then no longer be a live work unit. It would just become one of the other townhomes like the rest of them.

No. Is your question that they are not gonna provide live work unit?

That's my question. Yeah.

They they will be providing live work unit, but just that the square footage that can be counted towards commercial area

Oh, I see.

Doesn't meet. So though though they provide the rework unit, they are still deficient in in commercial requirement.

I thought the I guess I got the impression the only reason for doing this was to meet the commercial requirement.

Yes. They're but they're not a 100% meeting it. They are that's their intention to meet the commercial requirement, but the commercial requirement is, like, say, for example, 2,500 square feet, they are only providing 900.

So I I guess I don't understand if if the commercial requirement was waived, why this live work unit would be in in this project at all?

So come they are providing labor unit and we are waiving because it's deficient. They are we are not waiving because it's they're not providing. They're providing deficiently.

Waiving it because they're

Waiving it because it's not fully meeting the requirement.

I see. I see. But it could be waived completely. Is that

We want commercial.

And weren't weren't you just saying that I didn't quite hear what you said, but that a conclusion that retail wasn't viable at this location, was that?

That was one of the not entirely though. So the findings from the economic evaluation, one of the findings was that an auto oriented retail use, like a cafe or a convenience store would work here, but not as a standalone, but as a ground floor commercial where you have residential on it. But then the residential finding for from the same study is saying that because of the size of the site, the geometry being linear, it has constraints. So it it's not suitable for a for a high density residential development, where typically where you have ground for commercial and then residences about that. So if you marry both of these findings together, live work unit is a feasible choice.

I think that's why they are going for it.

Yeah. There's only two parking spaces. Right? So

They are providing two for the residential part of the rework unit? Yes.

Well, aren't there two? Well, there are two of the, what do you call it, unassigned parking. Right?

They are providing total three unassigned parking for the entire development.

But two of them are right next to that

You're right. Two of them are right next to it, but they are for the entire development.

Okay. Alright. So like, there could be no parking spaces at any given time. So it it doesn't seem like I I don't know. It's I feel like we're kind of doing handstands to get this unit in here. But alright. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you. We have a commissioner,

Thank you. Just a couple of questions. One is where where would the ADA parking be here? Because there's only three spots. Right? Yeah. Four spots. So is there an ADA parking spot?

Yes. I don't know exactly. Because

when when

I look the might be able to answer that. I

don't know where a van accessible spot would go. So Exactly. That's kind of a concern. But and even then, where you put it, it's gotta be accessible for a van where someone can get in and out easily. Putting in a really tight spot is not not really a good thing. But so I have concerns about where where an ADA spot's gonna go. Even though there's only three guest spots, you've gotta be one.

Those are valid concerns. Those are staff concerns as well.

Okay. The other question I have is and maybe the other commissioners talk about this, but in Building 5 And 6, you park perpendicular? So the cars are behind each other. Right?

Yes. Building So 5 And 6. Why why

I'm trying to understand that. Is that a design issue because of the way the unit's designed, but or or what?

Is your question the garage parking?

The garage parking. The Yes. In inside the units. It looks like the cars. Mhmm. You have to take one car out to get your other car in. So I'm just wondering why why those buildings are like that.

Tandem parking. Yes. They are providing tandem parking. Tandem parking spaces are allowed in Sunnyvale with some conditions that both the parking spaces has to be for the same unit, and the lot has to be linear and all that. Okay. They don't meet the requirement for tandem parking.

Okay.

But you're right. It is constraining, and that's how tandem parkings are.

The tandem. Okay. So I'm guessing there's gonna be a wall. I was looking on there separating this property from the gas station next door.

There is an existing wall.

Okay. Had there been any thought of possibly not having a wall there so that if Uber drivers need to park over there, they could temporarily and people could walk over to because the way this layout is, it's very tight for I wouldn't wanna be an Uber driver and trying to pick somebody up here

True.

To be very tight. And they're go down these stalls, pick somebody up, and have to back out, go onto a extremely busy Wolf Road. Wolf Road's a I know I know this area very well. That is a very, especially around four to 07:00 at night, very challenging area as far as people are speeding and, you know, trying to get in and out of there is dangerous. So I I don't know if there's been any thought about some creativity, little bit, something maybe a little different to help the Uber drivers out or their delivery services because once they go in here, they're kinda stuck.

Then they have to somehow turn around and get back out. And maybe we maybe there's some other way that can be looked at. So, you know, that that makes me see. And I guess my bigger concern is for the traffic department is, are cars gonna be allowed to make left hand turns out?

Yes. I did check with the traffic engineer this morning. They are allowed to so when you are going from south northbound on Fremont Avenue, you're allowed to take a left turn into the site.

But what about coming out? Can you go left?

No. Coming yeah.

Now.

Yes. That you have to do a u-turn to

So these people, when they when they leave their property Mhmm. They have to go right. They cannot go left. They have to go right down down Wolf Road, make a u-turn. I think it's a dark sire or whatever. Mhmm. And then come back. Right?

You're right.

How's that gonna be enforced? Because unless there's some type of cement barrier, they're gonna make a left turn.

Yes. Lin Lin, do you wanna, talk about that?

I I actually

do want to add because the way, the road the project is not we're not requiring the project to make any modification to, how the centerline tripping would be. So with, right now, what they what, on the Wolf Road, there's gonna there is a double yellow centerline. With that, vehicles coming out from the site could make a left turn out if there's, opportunity if they're able to cross and make that turn safely.

So it is add up is that just because you have the double yellow line, the chances of it going up are much higher now because you have 28 units there. So you're you're putting more risk in there. So under more risk because just because the yellow lines there doesn't mean they're not gonna do it. So what I'm what I'm bringing up is I think the traffic department needs to take a second look at this.

Well, so comparing to what we had previously, which is a Wendy, the Wendy actually generated a lot more trips than the this proposed project.

But here, you have two driveways. Correct. So and you I'm just bringing that up is that there's a potential here for more risk of accidents. So I think the city needs to look at that a bit more and think about something more. I I I I just don't I don't believe it. I mean, the yellow lines are great, but they're very easy to go over. And you and, also, you have a left hand turn there from Wolf onto Fremont. So people are coming down Wolf trying to make a left turn, and if someone's trying to cross that lane, there's gonna be a lot of accidents. So just bringing that up. I think it needs to be half a second look at. Okay. Thank you. Thank

you. We have commissioner Iglesias, please.

Thank you, vice chair. Quick question. I'm trying to understand where for Building 1 and Building 2, their garbage receptacles are gonna be picked up. I'm assuming that a garbage truck isn't going down that one way and then backing out into the street.

Regarding garbage, the staging is gonna happen on Wolf Road. This might be a question for and they they were working very closely with our solid waste. The applicant would be able to answer that, but they do satisfy but I don't remember. I'm sorry. Exactly. They they stage the cards.

I would

just The

applicant would be able to

Okay.

Answer that.

I would just be surprised because I know there's a bike lane there, and then also a busy street. I I'm just surprised if that's where we would have that be staged.

Mhmm. Sure.

Thank you.

You're welcome. I have a question too. Sure. It's about the live work units thing. Have you, like can you do you have you done research on live work units in Oakland and San Francisco? Because they are very popular in the dense urban area. So what are the uses they have? Have you done some studies or research?

We have not. No. No. But one thing I I understand that they are low impact commercial areas, which doesn't they are are, like professional offices, like, something that can be owned by an artist, an architect's studio and development office or something like that. So it doesn't invite that much of walk ins. People come in appointment based. That so that kind of low impact is what Sunnyvale allows. I don't know what other cities allow. Our live work units have very limited, uses that they can put in there for commercial.

I think it's really good idea to have Sure.

I look into it.

It's like long time ago, before we really kind of had the zoning plan, live work units were very much in use. And then there was there were some problems of separating, like, fuel based or, like, the for the health and safety. But we have so many our industries are changed, so many uses can be done, and they can live there. I mean, that's the way it used to be. And because it's very close to the El Camino, that people can walk in for certain I mean, I'm sure people will come up creatively some ideas.

There are so like, I remember, like, my compute my chip I had my computer hard drive got bad, and there's a lab. So the labs, they don't have a lot of you go with appointment, and they really charge, but they they can create lab, like, clean, and then they live upstairs. So I think it's a great idea, and we should encourage it rather than but, like, maybe find out what kind of like, maybe find out and maybe add into it, like, what kind of use. Give them ideas, maybe. But that's just my

I will ask the applicant about it. Thank you for your suggestion.

Sure. You. That's the only thing I have. Thank you. Okay. So now is there an applicant report?

Hi, everyone. My name is Amir Massey. Thank you, Mary, for getting us to this point. I I know these sessions are mostly for about us collecting input, so I'll keep the presentation brief. It's primarily just some slides that try to help complement materials that Mary's already shared.

On the first page, you see just sort of a different aerial perspective showing where the site is relative to its neighbors. To the west of us, we've got Cupertino Villas, which is a three and four story condo development across the street is the park, apartment to the south, and the gas station is to the north. Next slide, please. Here's a slightly different site plan, landscape plan showing the locations of the buildings you've seen. It's frankly just a a prettier picture relative to the one that we had given Mary before, so we thought we would include it.

Next slide, please. Again, to sort of a different aerial perspective on the rendering that you'd seen showing three story buildings, and you're looking to the Northwest at this point. And next slide, please. And then here's another rendering showing the project overall. You would be looking across the street from the Wild Palms Hotel at this point.

I think that's pretty much it from our perspective. I do wanna say, you know, we started this process back in December 2018 and have had a lot of different iterations of ideas that could potentially be built here. I know there's concern and conversation about traffic, and I think your city engineers are much better equipped to answer some of those questions. But I do know from experience with respect to, you know, the kinds of uses that were there previously. You know, 30 townhomes don't generate anywhere close to the kind of traffic impact that a drive through Wendy's would.

Any sort of retail restaurant component that would be there. And and I think there are objective standards that help measure the impact of that kind of use as opposed to residential. And that was really what everything that we did was tiered off of. There were originally ideas about doing something significantly more dense that would have generated a lot more traffic and maybe not as been as compatible with what what we're is proposing today. And then with respect to the live workspace, yes, we could have waived out of it entirely.

And to just avoid any confusion, we're proposing it, frankly, because city staff has been adamant that it needs to be included as a part of the project, and we're trying to comply. We don't think it makes sense to comply all the way, so we're using the waiver, and we're trying to provide some sort of a compromise so that staff feels as though it that the ability to attract the commercial use doesn't get eliminated entirely, but that it also somewhat reduces the risk associated with building too much commercial space, which oftentimes just leads to, you know, boarded up or papered up frontages that don't get leased out or don't get used, and we don't think that's good for the project and for any community either. I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have. We also have our architects here. If you have design related questions, that's not necessarily my area of expertise, but I thought I'd provide a little bit of of narrative on the process that got us to tonight.

Thank you. Thank you for the we'll have some questions from our commissioners.

So study off.

Or do you are you still presenting?

No. I'm done. Okay. Thank you.

We have a question from commissioner Pine.

Thank you. So I'm not particularly interested in rehashing the whole discussion about commercial viability on the site tonight because for the benefit of members of the public, we had a very lengthy discussion about this when this project was up for the rezoning back in, 2024. And I I don't see I don't think it's particularly productive to just to rehash that entire conversation tonight. I think we did disc we did basically discuss the we did basically discuss the likelihood of there being a low a quite low amount of commercial on the site after it was re when it came to the development stage at that at that time. So just for that Federation is public.

That's why I don't feel the need to rehash that tonight. Feel feel free to watch that me meeting if you wanna hear that discussion. I actually did rewatch that meeting in advance of tonight's hearing just just for a refresher. I did have a few specific questions about this site, and the first one was actually on sheet a 1.1.five, which is the circulation diagram. There are pink there are purple pink purplish pinkish arrows regarding pedestrian access, but they don't cover the entire site.

I see pedestrian access into Building 5, Building and, like, parts of Building 3, pit Building 2. So I guess my so my first question is, what's the vision for pedestrian access for the residents of Building 6 and deeper into Buildings 32, And 1? How do people living how are people there living there expected to, like, walk out of their palms?

Can you reference the sheet again? Or is it dot one dot five. Sorry. I'm having a hard time finding the sheet, so I can just make sure we're on the same page as I answer the question. The intent for the project was was never to cut off circulation, pedestrian circulation, or otherwise.

So I I think in anything that's showing, the inability to access the site in buildings, is is probably not correct.

Well, the feedback I would give on well, the feedback, what I just said is that can

go there.

My read of it is basically people are gonna be basically walking in the drive aisle, you know, basically walking in the drive aisle, and I would suggest that it would be beneficial to have some kind of dedicate either dedicated sidewalk or at least marks on the pavement to basically say, this is where people should be walking that will hopefully at least de that will hopefully deconflict with people driving into their homes and such.

So from a pedestrian access standpoint to the north of us where the gas station is, there is actually a walking path that's available so that on our northern border, there's a walking path that would then give you access all the way around the site if you chose to use it.

I think that

Are you looking for something else beyond that?

No. I'm actually, that's a I'm happy with that. But I would suggest that in the when this comes back for a public hearing that that your circulation sheet be revised to indicate that because right now, it does not indicate that.

Thank you. Still do.

That was the next quest well, I see another a number of my other commissioners have questions. And while I can anticipate, I think some of the things they're gonna ask, I think you'd actually I'd actually rather you'd hear it from them. So I'm act so the but the big one but I would so I'm actually gonna turn off my mic now, but I but to to vice chair, I think I'm probably gonna have a couple of I might have a comment after we finish the public hearing, so just don't close

Thank you.

This immediately after. Thank you.

We can commissioner at LCS, please. Chair?

Yes, Chair. So a couple of questions. I just wanna confirm that the the three parking spots, those are meant for the the live work. Those are meant to be committed to that or not? Not that

there's

not And someone made a comment about van accessible. We do have a van accessible space as well. I think that was commissioned for them. We do. It's right adjacent to the live work unit, but it's not dedicated to the live work unit. Anyone could use it.

Got it. Okay. Okay. I see it. Yeah. So there's three spots, and they're for guests or for effectively anyone. Yes. Generally, when we see plans like this that don't have a lot of parking, there's usually, like, adjacent lots or there's street parking. In this particular instance, there isn't either of those things. What what is your your thought process? Or what are you thinking about that there will be visitors? How are they gonna be accommodated?

Well, I mean, I think some of the units that have the two car garages not tandem are gonna have driveway space where someone could who's visiting can park just like you would see in, you know, other sort of suburban environments. And then I think otherwise, the ability to provide the additional guest parking to accommodate the the zoning as it currently requires, the number of units that you would lose would, you know, effectively render the project to, you know, 15 unit, 20 unit project, which I don't think is necessarily workable. So, you know, we're trying to find ways to include some level. We're also providing above what the is required by code for the actual units themselves. So one of our thoughts was, you know, the people that live there every day need to have enough parking spaces on a daily basis as opposed to the infrequent visitors that they might have.

And so two parking spaces per unit for the units that we're providing is above what the r three requirement is, is my understanding. And so then on top of that, there's the the unassigned parking, then we hope that the driveways also can substitute for some of the sort of informal parking that you might see in a project like this.

I'm guessing that so for the the informal parking in front of driveways, I'm assuming that from probably for a safety reason, that probably wouldn't be something that could be, like, outwardly advertised, though, in a sense. Is that what that would block, like, a fire

That's a that's a fair statement. I mean, I don't think we would advertise it as guest parking in front of the driveway, but I think practically speaking, people are gonna use the the driveway space regardless to to, you know, park or deliver or pick someone up if it's a rideshare.

And then my last point, also I I do hear you, and it's regarding the challenges of the site. If just to be clear, if someone if you go to Google Maps and you look at the site, there's on the abandoned site, there's, like, several abandoned shopping carts. So I do think that this is gonna be vast improvement from abandoned shopping carts. That being said

That's a relief. They were better than Those aren't to code.

I bet. Oh,

but then the other concern is and I don't really know how to solve for it. I'm just simply and maybe I'm saying things you've you've already agonized over, especially since you say that you've been working on it since 2018. So that's this this may

Six years of agony. Yeah.

That's a lot. But as people enter, especially with the buildings between Buildings 3435, And 6, to pick people up, drop people off, it just there's not gonna be a very easy way for people to turn around. And and I think it's only 20 is it 26 feet wide, so I I see there being quite a bit of congestion in that as in that area as well. Unfortunately, this is just feedback. Maybe it's you're saying yes.

No. I mean, I I I guess I disagree a little bit in terms of the the potential issues that, you know, these sort of nightmarish scenarios that everybody is contemplating. This hammerhead allows for the the hammerhead of the driveway allows for people to to be able to get in and get out in a in a reasonably effective way. I mean, I don't think it's an un we're not breaking new ground in terms of the condition that we're proposing. It it you know, somebody comes in and they they back out and then they they leave.

And this is actually the same path that a garbage truck would take if they were to when when they come in once a week. So if a garbage trucks are able to do it, seems like either guests or delivery trucks or others could as well.

That that makes sense

for the for the West Side between Buildings 34, And 5, And 6. But what about with Buildings 1 And 2 just regarding garbage?

I mean, well, the so the trucks actually will come down a portion of the way for some of those units. I think there's, like, four units between Buildings 1 And 2 where they will drag their carts to Wolf. There's a little staging area that the public works folks have designated for us. Thank you. You're welcome.

Thank you, chair. Our next one is commissioner,

please.

Thanks, vice chair. So I think I'm more I had basically the same questions, but just to be clear, the con the concern so you got three visitor places and and and one of them is parking spaces and one one is ADA. And if this was a commercial street, a regular residential street, I don't think it would be a problem. But as the other commission has pointed out, there's no parking on Wolf. Right?

So if if those two spaces are filled, then there's just really no choice. There's no place to park. Right? I mean, other than what a half mile away or something, you have to go down Wolf and then pull into the residential and then walk back out to Wolf and up Wolf. It's a long ways away.

That just seems problematic. Now if you could make an arrangement with the gas station or something for some parking there, maybe that would help it help make sense with this. But it just seems like a you know, for most people would just have to tell people to don't come here. Don't visit me because it just won't work. So that that just seems, problematic, and there's no easy solution to it being on a busy street like this. But, you know, that so I I just would be concerned about that.

And, you we're happy

to like I said at the beginning, we're here to take this input and see what we can do to try to accommodate some of the the the issues. That that obviously is a high priority one that we can take another look at and see if there's something that we can do. I would just remind, I know some of you have already seen the previous, the planning commission hearing from from before, but, you know, there's about a nine foot section of Wolf Road that was that is the frontage of the project that's being dedicated to the city for the purpose of creating bike lanes and and widening those that exist already. And so between the bus stop, then the nine feet, you start to compress what you can provide. And and that's sort of the challenge that we've had in trying to get the project to to this point is that we're hemmed in to some extent.

And some of the you know, it makes sense. You want a bus stop. You want the the bike lane, but that doesn't mean much in terms of other spaces from from a development standpoint. So just as a reminder, there's there's a significant portion of the project frontage on Wolf that gets pushed down. And I'm sorry to to interrupt your comment.

Yeah. No. That that's a good point. The and the the there's a that's a VTA stop there. Right? That is kind of the invitation into and the I guess I would also be concerned for deliveries anyway that they've said, you know, they might be tempted to park there, but that would clearly be a traffic violation. But and I I think you say the delivery trucks can pull to the front of the units there delivering to you mean park it, you know, like, in front of the garage doors? Is that the idea?

Yeah. I mean, that's what they do in my neighborhood.

Yes. Yeah. And and then you think a particular place could accommodate one parking space there for a visitor as long as they weren't going anywhere.

And like I said, we'll we'll I'm looking at the plan now to see where you can push and and pull to create additional ones. So we'll continue to do that.

And so, I guess, following up on the trash route, you have it's a drawing t R 0 Dot 1, and it it looks like all the all the trash bins are kind of on the North Driveway for the whole complex, and some of them are too deep. Is that correct? Maybe I'm misreading that because they aren't really labeled, but I assume those are

I'm understanding from the city's trash folks is that buildings that are to the north will have a the the truck will come in for for the pickup. It's only in a couple of the units that are on the south of the the property where the bins get pulled to South Wolf. So otherwise, the the garbage truck comes into the site for the purpose of pickup on the north side of the project. And I can let me give you

the So

those are eight residences. Right? And they would all pull there That's right. The ends up up across

The Building Buildings 345, And 6 all have the garbage truck pull in for the purpose of of collecting the trash. Right. And then some

of the Talking about the Building 1 And 2.

That's right. Some of those units will have to pull their trash into the spot designated by the city for pickup on South Wolf.

All all of them will. Right?

Mark, I think you was it all of them on in buildings on that side of

the Yeah.

Buildings 1 And 2.

It's eight units you said.

Eight units. Yes. So they'll they'll bring their bins up up to Wolf across the sidewalk and then over to the the driveway, the north driveway.

Load Correct. The building is actually designated a little zoning zone loading zone in front of the buildings. It's not in the primary driveway into the where the hammerhead is. It's it's to the left and the right of the entry into the space between Buildings 1 And 2. That's where the the garbage is gonna be picked up.

So you're saying they'll bring them up close to Wolf, but not further, and then the the garbage truck comes in and

picks up

the shown as little boxes on their on their drawing. It's a little hard to see, but they're on the the right on the curb edge on Wolf. So directly in front of Building 1 and Building 2 And 3, there's kind of a cluster of of little boxes that are right on the the curb edge. So not on the street, but but set back into the into the sidewalk area.

Okay. So the garbage truck will pull in there and pick up those. And and then, normally, the the trash bins will be in the garages. Is that the intent? Yeah.

Uh-huh. Thank you.

Point of quick point of order.

Oh, we have questions too.

Sorry. Point of order. I would just like to remind everybody that I just would like to make the point of order that to remind everyone that they need to speak into a microphone so that remote participants can hear them. Thank you.

Okay. Okay. So

That's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you, commissioner Saroni. Please, applicants, if you please come and speak on the speaker when you speak so everybody can hear it.

I'm sorry

about that. I didn't pay attention. Okay. So next one is commissioner Fagoni.

So I I do I do like your design a lot. And I know I know you've got a lot of feedback on the other end, but it is very nice. I do like the terrace on the top where where tenants could stay up there and hang out, and it looks looks very modern, very nice. And I've just the the concerns I have is just more around the safety, but that's really for the city to look into. I don't really think it's falls on what you're trying to do.

And I do understand the the challenges with that lot, and it it it was refreshing for you to share with us on the bike and the the the bus requirements infringing on the functionality of the lot for you, and that is good information for us to hear. Because as we try to do these things, it does constrict what developers can do, and inadvertently, it creates more safety issues. Right? We're trying to make it more safe by putting bike lanes in and bus stops, but then it's actually making things tighter for people to get in and out of these properties, which actually creates bike safety issues for collisions and things. My question to you is, are you constrained by the driveways that are there?

Is that are those those are the two existing driveways that are there on the property right now? And are you trying to build around those? Okay.

No. Okay.

This was all a bad idea, not okay. I was someone else's.

That was a you know, if the existing driveways there were really hindering what you were trying to do.

So I mean, we know we're we're that was

sort of hemmed in by is the bus stop and the fact that you you have to provide enough space after the bus stop for these places to, you know, for the turn in and and ingress and and and egress. So that the bus stop does sort of pinch the number of options that you have. And, you know, having everybody use just one point of ingress and egress also means there was potentially queuing that happens. And so in the process of trying to solve one problem, you create another. And so this was sort of a, again, a compromise solution where we were trying to provide two driveways, reduce the queuing on South Wolf, and also internally if people are trying to get in or out.

Got it. Yeah. I I understand that. And what what just had a question. What type of these types of these congregates you're building are you are these what type of tenants are you expecting in this? Is it is it people within Sunnyvale close to some of the local businesses that are gonna be living there? What what's your

I would I would anticipate I

would anticipate just given the the size of the units that we're building three and four bedroom. We're gonna have families or couples with, you know, a a a kid. I think in the live work unit, frankly, I'm just as curious as everybody else to see what happens. I mean, I think it'll be if it works, it'll be pretty cool. Right?

I mean, it's like potentially a model that can be used elsewhere in the city to, again, do this sort of compromise where there's a desire to see some level of activity at the street level, but a fear that if you provide too much of it, you're gonna get dead space. So in this case, hopefully, it's something that, you know, we again, we've tried to pull don't know if you've noticed in the plans, but it's the building that's pulled closest to South Wolf. It's for the purpose of sort of making it a little bit more of an attractive place for some sort of a a retail use. But I think the remainder of the 29 units are going to be sort of more traditional family type units. And frankly, given the school district, given the proximity to I think somebody brought this up last week.

At the community meeting, the Apple campus, it's it's not a a leap to think that you're going to be able to attract people looking for three, four bedroom homes who want access to the school district.

Okay. And then just one other question I had in and thank you for that. So these are gonna be three three stories. So there's three stair stairways, right, to get up roughly. So for those that are older or disabled, will they be able to install the chairlifts to get up if they needed to? Will there be I'm assuming the the stairways are wide enough to accommodate that. Is it pretty standard? Or did you guys thought

of Yes.

The architect just confirmed, yes.

Okay. They said he would like to ask and just, you know, sometimes too it's nice if it's possible they I don't know if if the electrical can be put there in advance is nice because people need to put that in afterwards. It's very expensive. So, you know, aging in place is very important to the city, you know, helping helping people stay in these houses as long as they can, especially if as they age.

I think I'm taking notes. Thank you.

Oh, yeah. No. Thank you. That that's it for now. Thank you.

Thank you. We have commissioner, please.

Thank you. So it's a beautiful project, but it looks like you guys missing on the North Side, like, 15 to 20 feet to make it, like, a really perfect project as far as additional parking, a easy way for traffic potentially and whatnot. And this is just a, you know, a question of curiosity. Did you guys, as developers, maybe try to talk to the gas station to buy a strip of the lot to to make it a little bit more desirable for for everybody, for the city, and for the people that would purchase those homes in the future?

Yeah. In in the beginning, when the project was being contemplated for the general plan amendment, it actually included the gas station lot for that purpose. And we we we didn't initiate it, but we would have been happy to include it as a part of the development. The couple of conversations that we have with the property owner, they seem much more interested in taking their own approvals through the process and redoing their gas station to include a quick serve restaurant or something along those lines. I don't I was there earlier today. I mean, I don't think they've started, but they got the approval some time ago, and that effectively closed the door on them doing something with us.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. So first of all, I want to congratulate you for this project because it's a very unique project. You try to you try to provide maximum units and where we have the housing shortage in this plot. So I I think kudos to you guys. We did pass that project where I remember suggesting a bench at the corner of Fremont And Wolff.

So there will be I'm I live very close by, so I see a lot of pedestrians on that road. So so I think I'm kind of happy about what's happening. I have major question is between unit the building 1 And 2, they are they are first of all, you have reduced some distance, and the windows are aligned just across each other. And so I feel that, like, bedroom, living room, and you have the big pay of windows. So maybe if you can stagger the windows without moving your building so they are not looking into each other's units.

That's the one. The second one is that I have a between the the backside of the Building 2 And 3, I think it's kind of interesting space you are creating there, pedestrian. So I think if you can kind of bring out, like, next time when you come, like, how you are visioning to divide it because it could be beautiful. So maybe you can give some ideas so it doesn't become like a hodgepodge when you are, like, given the so that's, like, the pedestrian path between because it's a you have no much landscape. So if you can kind of use that to, enhance, you know, that.

And then third one, I had a question. It was about the I'm I'm very happy that you have provided this new use, which is we need that work life work leave work unit. It's very common in the dense area. And in, like, San Francisco's I mean, New York, I mean, I would love that kind of places to walk in, and and there is a reason people do walk there. So do you have any ideas that who are you going to like, you must have some ideas that what uses you are envisioning?

I mean, some of it, I think, is and I and I agree. I mean, we've we've developed projects in San Francisco, Emeryville, Berkeley, where there's been a live work component. And it's really just trying to address all the things that we've talked about here already, so I won't rehash them. But, I mean, usually, you get somebody who maybe if it's a I am just going to pick a psychologist or someone like that. They live above, but they see their patients on the Ground Floor.

Right? So that kind of use is potentially what we thought about. But, again, I mean, I think I'm curious to see what can transpire there because I I I think it if it works, it could be pretty cool. But, you know, that's just one thing we've seen in the past where it's sort of a quasi medical office type of space. Sometimes you get creative, like, for example, an artist who wants to use the Ground Floor space as a studio, but also wants to sell the works that they're creating out of that space.

And, you know, they they live on the 2nd And 3rd Floor. You see that more in a rental situation because not a lot of artists can afford super expensive, you know, Sunnyvale homes. But maybe if you're lucky enough to be married to someone who works at Apple, you could pull that off.

I don't know. No. I agree. I agree. Because when Moffett Moffett Park specific plan happened, I did suggest about that that we need to have galleries spaces. So I think it's I think there is a big potential for this kind of places of of because we are losing all retails. It's very difficult to bring them, but these are the way you can have commercial into the building. So please please pursue it, and don't give up on that one. That's the one. And maybe that I really am, like, between the Building 2 And 3, if you can provide two, three alternatives with lights and plants or some because these are the one with their with their front I mean, with their back back.

They're essentially backyards that

we shared.

But these never have that Yeah. In Sunnyvale where they are so close to each other. And these are individual. They are not rental units or apartments, so it will be very interesting to see it. I've seen it in the big cities like Barcelona and all different cities, and they have multiple beautiful levels. They this share those spaces. But if you can just provide that. And with that, my comments are done, and I'm going to just any other hands? Okay. So now I'll go ahead and open the public comment on this specific item. Yes. Yes. We are getting to you. Sorry. But please submit a speaker card to the recording officer.

Raise your digital hand now or dial 9 on telephone to indicate you wish to speak. I will call on members of the public participating in person first, followed by remote participants. Speakers will have three minutes to speak. So we have the Cyrus, please come forward.

So

so not Cyrus, but instead

Haripir? Yes. Thank you. I requested Cyrus to switch spots with me because I was attending since 05:30, but I am a mom who lives in the neighborhood, have young kids, and I have to go pick them up right now.

So Yes.

Am. Was generous enough to allow him to stop with me, and she said okay too.

Please come to the speaker. You have three minutes to

Okay. So I am I'm a neighbor of this development, so I live right on Eleanor Way, which is where you would just move forward. And, like, if somebody came out of the development, by default, they because of the w yellow lines, they would have turned right on Wolf Road, and then they would like to do that. So what I'll say, the townhome looks nice. Right?

Definitely, pictures do look nice, and I think that's a nice thing. I have a few concerns that I would like to give input on, which I hope you will take into consideration, the applicant, because we want to live here and be a community. Right? And we wanna have spaces where we can live, grow, and thrive as as a community together, and we look forward to good neighbors who we can interact with. So my first concern is directly related to which something which every commissioner here raised, which is the guest parking spaces.

That giving two or three is just unsustainable because I will tell you that my daughter goes to high school here. Her best friend parents actually live in a townhome community there, and she goes to that place regularly. When I go there, if I have to even drop her out for a study or group studying or any of this, I don't have a space there to park. So I typically have to go outside on the road, find parking. They actually have space outside on the road, which is why I can park there.

It's impossible for me to pull in front of the house. I would be double parking or blocking someone else in that community. So we have to be respectful for to the other residents there too. So I he mentioned that we expect people from Apple, people like us who work in tech to be there and come there. If there are families, if you three or four bedrooms and if there are families who live there, think about how many people you are visiting. Yesterday, there was Super Bowl. There were so many people who came to, like, a neighbor's house, and we had 20 cars parked in our neighborhood. Right? And this will happen. Look.

If you wanna be a community, we wanna be social. This will happen if you're building a residential place. I, myself, my house, when it was built, we plotted seven parking spaces for my house without coming onto the road. Right? So that I can have seven of them. And I will tell you, one of them is this way, perpendicular, six here. I see that people across the road when there's not enough parking space, some will just come by, park in front of my house. They actually parked just perpendicular so that there's no left space for me to park in my own parking spot. And they also basically use my driveway because I provided a long driveway to actually turn in and go out. I have complained to the city about this before.

People have shown me the middle finger. Just so you know, when I've told them, can you please try to go out on the road and turn? And they're like, who are you to tell us? They actually come on to my driveway and tell me that all because I chose to be good and provide those extra parking spaces. Right? So second point, if you can please do the left the left turn, right turn, and watch it. People are gonna turn left on LNR. We can go all around and come back on Fremont because of how it's set up. That will be an important one to look at too.

Thank you.

Thank you. Mhmm.

Next one, we have Marissa.

Good evening, everybody. I am I'm Laines Moris. I am a thirty five year resident of Sunnyvale. I've raised my kids here. I spent my career here. Love Sunnyvale to death. And but I look at this project, and while it's it's a wonderful looking project, and you're all asking all of the right questions, I believe this project is just too much for that particular spot. I mean, that intersection if you start off with traffic, that intersection is amazing. Even 11:00 in the morning, it's busy. And I think putting that much in and out traffic there is gonna be dangerous.

I'm worried about adjustments made to that bike lane there because with so many cars inside and we're trying to encourage bike riding, don't take it away. I I don't know that you can truly figure out what that traffic's really gonna be like since Butcher's Corner isn't even done yet. That's gonna be a monstrosity on its own. Throwing this in there at this density, I think, is gonna be a problem. Let's talk about schools. These are family properties. We wanna make sure these kids go to a great school, and they can. They can go to Stockholmier. The problem is is that Stockholmier is a high density school. It's a k five elementary.

It's at a twenty year low of 850 students. It was at 12 over 1,200 a few years ago at its peak. I've was I've been a parent and a staff member at Stockholm Meyer for twenty five years. I know I know the density. I know the population. And as much as we make it as a look like a small community,

that's a lot of kids.

And we still haven't gotten Butcher's Corner in the mix. You I think you need to consider that. This project is just a little too big. Now granted, I understand the need for the housing. I have two grown adult children who can't afford to buy a single family home here. I understand that. I want more housing. But I think this project is just too dense for that particular location. I think it needs to be scaled back almost down to half. I think that would be a much better space, much safer alternative, and I really hope the planning commission takes a look at that. You know, we

live in we live in

an era where we have governing bodies that are doing things just because they can. Just remember, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Thank you.

Thank you. So oh, I know. I'm still remote. We have, do we have a remote speaker?

Vice chair, we still have one card remaining from Cyrus.

That's Cyrus, Alipria, and Melissa. Oh, Lisa. Okay. So Cyrus is the one who wants to speak? Okay.

I am a, like, a twenty year residence in Raynor Park at 1350 Hampton Drive area. We have a serious problem with parking. It's it's horrible. Every in the apartment complex next to this project comes to our place and park. I've been fighting them tooth and nail. Finally, I got some headway with the management and we actually went and take them to court because they kept parking their cars over there and walking across the street. They would store their cars there for two or three days. I would tow them away immediately. We towed away approximately 50 cars because I kept it there for three days. I worked on traffic. Anyway, it's a mess. Right? You got this project. That's one of the problems. Another project you got, you put the sign out there.

It shows commercial site. You look down the road and you see what you got. Right? Then you put the sign

way on the other side, it

shows rezoning. You got two parcels here. You got the Wendy's parcel, you got the parcel next to it. It's a dirt lot. People I went door to door for the past couple weeks now, almost a month now. Everybody thought you're doing that rezoning at one Wendy's parking lot, not the dirt lot. Misconception, didn't present it. A lot of people didn't know what's going on. They thought you're gonna do commercial because the signs were commercial, and you do residential on top. And they figured, you know what? The state's making people do that. Nothing you do about it. It's the way it's gonna go. Turns out that's not the case. You wanna do complete residential and not only just like 15 units, which people are thinking you're putting there because it's so small.

They put 29 plus one more that can be changed over in a later date. Okay? They can go, you know, no one's using this thing. There'll be 30 units. That equates to a 100 people living there. Coming out of there, the the Wendy's had no traffic. Zero in the morning. They didn't serve breakfast. He went to a meeting last well, last week saying, Wendy's has this much traffic. This, this, this, and that. Hello? Wendy's didn't have any traffic in the morning, which was good. Now we're gonna have people coming out 08:00 to get kids to school, whatever, 08:00. That's gonna be a huge problem. There's so many issues. I emailed the city council many many letters about what's going on. I'll forward it all

to you so you can

look it over and see what I'm talking about. This is a big cluster hell that you're producing here. The 129 units have not got done yet. That was a big disaster and it still is this day. We have a serious problem there that's not done yet. Everybody fought you on that way back then. They're not here today. But they're here today, they would tell you that was a mistake. Look at it now. It's just a big skeleton still ten years later, let that get developed, then develop this. That's all I'm saying. Do something right. You guys, please don't make this mistake. You're gonna have abandoned buildings, you're gonna have problems later. I promise you. I promise you that. You will have problems. Guaranteed. Thank you.

Yes. So do we have any remote speaker?

We have no more speaker cards, vice chair.

No? What? More speaker card?

No more speaker cards, and I don't see any remote speaker hands raised as well.

I'm going to have my colleagues have any comments because I I mean, if somebody is not here. Commissioner Payne, please.

Yeah. I had a, actually, a question to staff that was some because of saying one of the members of the public said. Regarding I know we have our I know we have talked about methods of determining trip generation, etcetera. What do how do we take account time of date in when we're determining trip generation? Is that something we look at? Is that something we can look at?

So this is Lillian Singh with Public Works transportation principal transportation engineer. So, typically, when we look at chip generation, we do use industry centered menus. So there is an a published publication called the Institute of Transportation Engineer, chip generation menu. And in there, they do collect a lot of data throughout the day as well as during, the throughout the date and during the AM peak PM peak. And depending on the land use, sometimes the peak might not allow during the AM and PM. So, typically, the way we determine what the potential trips would be is using this menu because it is industry standard, and it does give us daily information as well as AMMP and peak period data.

Okay. Thank you. Because I because I what I'm what I'm hearing from members of the public, and it does make sense to me, is that, like, even if the total number of trips generated is decreased, which I pop not possibly at the very late stage of the Wendy's, but, like, I can that does track to me that it would be a net decrease over time, but I could see it still causing being an impact if we've net decreased the trips, but now we're clustering all the trips when everybody else is driving and because we're taking them, because we're not having as many trips at, like, dinner time and removing the more to commute hours. So that was just I think that's a concern that makes sense. I see to the member of the public raising their hand, the time for public comment on this has elapsed.

There will be you'll have another opportunity for public comment on this project. A, if you email the planning commission, we always list read our emails. B, this will come back for a public hearing, and you'll have another opportunity for public comment at this time. But there's not another opportunity for public comment tonight. Sec.

You you to the member of the public, you are out of order. Thank you. The the other the other couple comments I had on the project generally, regarding pedestrian circulation, I was looking at the sheet, which is l dot which is L Dash which is L Dash one regard and there was some comments made earlier about the the pedestrian circulation. And I'm seeing the pedestrian strip on the far what's on the right side of the property on this map, but I'm also not seeing I'm not seeing any on the left side. It's just on the left side.

It looks to me like it's all like a like a landscape strip, and I'm going to suggest that we want pedestrian circulation on both the left and the right sides of the property. I think I don't think people are going to want to walk from the what's on this chart, the bottom left side of the property all the way across to the right to get somewhere. That's that's feels like a very excessive walk. The other the other comment I had, and this gets to public engagement, is for those of you who were here two weeks ago, which I doubt is anyone in the audience, but I know staff was, The thing I keep saying is that we want public in we want to be a we wanna be getting public input on these kinds of projects when we're doing the rezone. It's public input on the projects at the at the project stage.

It's great, but we really, really, really want as much public input as possible when we're considering the rezone, when we're considering the general plan amendments. The I what I'm the what I am getting from public comment tonight is that we are not we're not really getting the message across when people get notices when for members of the public that not only is well, a, like I said two weeks ago, we really wanna stress, please get involved in the rezone. We have the most discretion possible during the rezone. But, b, I know people expressing confusion about what specific about, like, what parts of the property were zoned what, what parts of the property were what lots are being redeveloped, and this strikes me as and and, like, I know from where I'm sitting, it's hard to it's hard to objectively engage it because I've been on this commission for half a decade, and I can be like and I know all of the technical details. But, like, I do think we real I do think we really need to be trying to be as clear as possible when we're telling people there's something there's a project near you that you might wanna comment on, like, what a, what it is, and b, if there is some way we can say when there's a when notice goes out saying, hey.

Something is there's a GPI. There's a rezone. Like, honestly, like, put in, like, giant red capital letters. This is your best opportunity to comment on this site. Like, I don't don't know if there's a way to do this that people will respond to.

But if there is some way we can do this, it would be I think it would help a lot because I like, I'm just to for the benefit of ourselves, like, this is this is the second time I'm saying this in like, I this is the second time I'm saying this in consecutive public hearings. Like well, this isn't technically a public hearing, but this is the second time in two meetings I'm saying this. Like, I think it is I think it is a problem from a public engagement perspective that we're getting the most public engagement at stages that are a lot later than the time it would be most effective to have public engagement, and I don't think this is the public's fault. Like, I think it is the city's responsibility to be engaging, to be making sure everyone is gets the appropriate notices to engage as effectively as possible. So, okay.

So that was my, and also, so and one other thing, regarding the I know, Steph, you wanted feedback on the on the architectural design. My usual go is my look. I've I'm not the biggest architecture critic on this commission. I will usually, my view is that if it's it's the objective standards, and that's kinda why we have the objective standards. I will say that just however, I will say in my subjective opinion that looking at a two dot zero dot seven, there's part of me just thinks that, the buildings on the left side would just be improved by even just a bit of color variation because that would make them just look a little less clonal, I think, just even if they were just all I know it just had a slightly different color palette.

That that's my personal opinion. That's obviously not

Commissioner, which sheet you're talking about?

The elevations from Wolf a two dot zero dot seven. Again, that that is a subjective opinion pick up. You can applicant can consider it or disregard it. The other comment I'd make on just the plan set in general is the drawing index was actually incomplete, and I know it is personally I personally find it helpful if all of the sheets are accounted for in the drawing index specific, among others, a one dot one dot two and a one dot one dot one one, a one dot one dot two, and a one dot one dot three were not listed in the drawing index, and I that they should have been. That is all I had.

I look forward to seeing this when it come, when it comes back. And I actually don't think I personally mentioned the the parking space spaces yet, so I will just plus one everything everybody has said at the parking spaces. I was at a Super Bowl party last last night, and I know for a fact there were I was one of more than three vehicles that were there for that Super Bowl party, and said party was in a location with decent with street parking and guest parking, but it should not be possible for one Super Bowl party to completely overwhelm the available parking. So that is all I had. I I look forward to seeing this come back for public hearing, and I hope some of the provisions we've suggested are taken into account.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. We have commissioner Ceronni, please.

Thanks, vice chair. Just in the interest of providing some feedback, the I guess, let me preface it by saying I'm a big proponent of neighborhood retail, and I'm very concerned about the loss of retail all over the city of Sunnyvale. However, in this case, I'm a little mystified at the staff's advocacy for what is really a very small retail space. And I I I had the same thought that the applicant had about that you know, the one of the best use I could see is a therapist lives upstairs and sees patients downstairs or something like that. I don't think there's the infrastructure for a coffee shop here.

So and in that case, it's not gonna activate the street, and really nobody but the patients is probably even gonna realize that's happening there. It's it's just gonna look like another place where somebody's living. So I I'm just considering the various constraints. Trying to crowbar that in is, I guess, I'm personally I'm not understanding and doesn't seem like necessarily a good idea. I do like the the work the live work concept, but I'm not sure this is the best place to to do that.

And just, you know, hypothetically, if you got rid of Building 4 and put guest parking spaces there, maybe it would make more people happy. I don't know. Not that you would literally do that, but just as a trade off. So just some feedback to cons consider. Thanks.

Thank you. We have commissioner, please.

So I just wanna add to what, Shabbat said. So for any residents that see empty lots in their neighborhood or lots anywhere, you know, get active because you can assume that we start seeing empty lots around the city. They're gonna get developed at some point. So I would encourage all residents to start asking questions and look into it because as I agree with him a 100% that once it gets to this point, our options are very limited. So with that said, I did wanna ask and it seems like it's a common thing.

I've been on the commission now for, I guess, a year and a half maybe, and we brought up traffic concerns many times. Various commissioners have brought this up with other properties, and it seems like it's it's never an issue. But I think it would be helpful to possibly have some information so we understand the process better how traffic assessments are done in detail. Because even though it's being done, I don't think the residents are comfortable with the answers. And think I we need to be able to explain that or the the traffic commission departments or whoever owns that can explain that properly to the residents.

You know, bring the data in and show it, but I think people need to have that information shared with them because it is a concern. They live in the areas. They pay taxes, so they have a a right and opportunity to bring that up in their areas. So just wanna add that I think we need to look into that because it seems to be a common theme that we bring up, and it just doesn't materialize into anything that I can see as concrete that we can provide back to the residents. Thank you.

Thank you. Oh, I have a question for staff. The Wolf traffic management plan has been decided, or it's still in progress? Wolf Wolf Street. The days are like, they are planning to have bike lane Oh, the corridor Corridor. Improvement plan.

Leland, do you wanna respond to that?

So back in 2016, city council approved some concepts that was pre presented to them regarding the Triangle area with the intersection of El Camino Real, Wolf, Fremont and El Camino Real and Fremont and, and Wolf. I mean, sorry. Fremont, yeah, Fremont and Wolf. So those three triangle those three intersections that forms a triangle and and the intersection improvements along that corridor. So that, council has already, approved a concept plan for how those three intersections would potentially look like in the future.

With as part of that, the exit the bike lane on Wood Road would be extended to the intersection of of Fremont because there's currently a gap in on in the bike lane, particularly along the project frontage and just north of it. I believe south of the project frontage, there is already an existing bike lane. So

what about the triangle in the middle? Like, I was just wondering that is there a way that they can if it's I mean, that one, they have they extended all the way to the Fremont and not

It will be extended

all the way to El Way to El Camino? Correct. Mhmm. Otherwise, they can include some parking, some street side parking for I don't know, but there is a triangle in the middle. I don't know who who it belongs to. The one belongs to the city. Yeah. So that's that city triangle could be used for parking. Like, I mean, there is a big heritage tree, and we put lot of advertisements there, the city functions. So that triangle could be used for, like, you know, parking.

I don't know. I'm just thinking maybe traffic management plan should, like, consider some aspects of problems with traffic. And that that area has many things are coming up and, like you know? So that is a problem. I mean but that is going to be problem in many areas in the city and because we are trying to have this maximum housing, and we don't have much control on lot of things that we ask developers to do that as long as they provide housing and they follow the rules.

It's a city council also. It doesn't have lots of options. They will have to approve them. So I know the residents would like that, but I think we also don't have that much. And developers also trying to do so they can make money. I mean, ideally, you want to have condominiums with our rentals or cheaper apartments, but Sunnyvale is being, like, this single family communities. All the projects we are seeing is all four bedrooms, 3.5 baths, and that's probably the most saleable. That's what all the people are doing. So I don't know. It's a market, and demand is.

So, anyway, these are just my comments. But, anything else? I don't see any hints. So we are going to close this this this item. We are closing it, and we will we have a regular planning commission meeting. So we will we will meet back at 07:45. Is that five minutes? 07:40. Five minutes break, and the regular planning commission will start and join the special meeting. Thanks.

Wendy's had a sign that said no left turn. They don't imagine that, I guess. Did they do it anyway? Do it anyway? Alright.

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Alright.

It's related to, like,

letting people know about what's changes, what's happening in the area, and all those good things. So in the years I've lived here, there's always been, outreach letting people know, hey. They're gonna do this. Let people come out, and it's always late. It's it's always been late. Where we come out to the port, it's always been late. And the main reason why is because you send out flyers and people throw those away. We get this much every couple days of stacks of flyers. So that's the biggest problem. You have to outreach this.

You have to actually talk to some people in the within the neighborhood and say, hey, knock on those doors or have the someone independently go out there and do that. That should be something set aside. I volunteer my own time. I talk to those people. When we had Butcher's Corner, we had Raynor Park being sold, all these things. I go out there and talk to people. I don't send out flyers. I do door to door. Okay? That's how I do it. That's how I get business. That's how I became what I am today through door to door sales. If you do the door to door, you get instant. You let people know what's going on. You get a sense of what's going on.

This needs a door to door. This needs this one needs and many other need door to door. Grabbing the people, get their time. As I talk to people, they're always so busy. I say, hey. Can you come to that meeting? No. I can't. My kids, they're all so busy. So we have to door to door. We have to make a time that everybody can meet, and that's really difficult. I don't say it's easy, but we have to do that for the people. And any of the projects you wanna do in the future, you gotta get everybody on board with it. You you you have to have this room filled with people to figure it out. When we had Butchers Corner saying, this not here, but the other place was packed.

There was people so upset, and it still went through. But, anyway, we're stuck with this. My other point is the signage. When you put a sign on a property, this one was placed on the this corner of it with commercials showing. It's right in the middle of the gas station on that. I mean, I don't wanna talk about this one, but this is what happened. This is not good. It's showing commercial. It's showing we we every every cause we get commercial. And when I did my outreach to the neighbors, they thought, hey, when's the new shop's coming?

What kind of shop's gonna put there? And I go, there's not. It's gonna be housing. And they're like, okay. So anyway, my point is everybody thought this will be commercial on the bottom and housing on top. It didn't turn out that way. And it it it's gonna be just upset people at the end because they'll be like, it's too late now. It's already building. Anyway, if we can have another meeting, it'd be great. If we could have the neighbors, I get all those neighbors I get and say, hey.

Let's set up a time. We all can sit down at a table and try to figure out what's the best for this. You know for sure right now that you have commercial ok'd at the gas station. So let's let's merge the two together. Let's get the commercial residential going.

Alright. Thank you very much for your comments. Thanks. Correnaud, should we have any remote person wishing to speak on oral communications?

Do not, chair.

Alright. Thank you. I will go ahead and close oral communications, please.

A quest a question to staff. Do we have any indication of when this project the project we heard on item b is likely to come back for public hearing?

No. Not yet.

Okay. Thank you.

Alright. This brings us to the consent calendar. We'll go ahead and open public comment on consent calendar items. Please submit a speaker card to the reporting officer. Raise your digital hand now or dial 9 on the telephone to indicate you wish to speak. I will call members of the public participating in person first followed by remote participants. And speakers, again, will have three minutes to speak. Recording answer, do we have any remote participants wishing to speak on this item?

We do not. Alright.

Thank you. I will go ahead and close public comment. I will now ask for a motion from my colleagues. Commissioner

Pine.

Thank you, chair. I move the consent calendar as submitted. Thank you. Vice chair Shukla.

Second it.

Thank you very much. Recording officer, please connect a vote.

Motion passes with six yeses and commissioner Davis absent.

Thank you very much. And that brings us to nonagenda items and comments. The next portion of the agenda is for oral reports and announcements by commissioners and staff to share for information. Planning commissioners, do any commissioners have any nonagenda items or comments? Alright.

Seeing none, I just have one, and and the comment is I think that we, a commission, can can do a good job of using every opportunity we have to also educate. And what I mean by that is it's I think we can do a better job of setting expectations. What I would what I think would make a lot of sense is at the beginning of any type of if it's a study session or or not, but making it clear to the public as well what what the capability is of the commission. Because otherwise, the commission has the the can end up looking either incompetent or impotent. Either way, not really a flattering look.

And it ends up creating a bit of an antagonistic relationship where effectively the the public, which this is maybe the only time they've ever engaged, is, you know, because it's not affecting them. They're they're not understanding why their voices aren't being heard. And so I think it is important for us to make it clear to them that it's not that they're being neglected or ignored or massively disparaged or or gaslit, but that that that we owe a duty to them to understand that there are limitations as well. I think that's what'll bring help build trust and make it so that it's not that this is an enemy, but that that that being successful requires something other than that. So that's that's something that think we can do together to to make it so that every opportunity and engagement with the public is educational.

It's not antagonistic. Again, I don't think I don't want parliamentary rules to intimidate folks and to stifle free speech. I think it's we do have to abide by, a way of having effective meetings, but the the rules of of the meeting shouldn't actually, inhibit a successful meeting. Those are my comments. And now we'll go to staff. Playing officer, do have any non nonagen items or comments?

I do not.

Okay. Thank you.

With that,

I am happy to adjourn the meeting at 07:51.