Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Guess anybody? Yep. I call the meeting to order at uh 6:30 with the pledge of the flag. I allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Can I have everybody that has is attending, if you haven't signed in, we need you to sign in. [Music] First on our agenda is the approval of last I guess two months meeting of the planning commission. Can I have a motion we accept the meeting uh minutes as presented? Second discussion. All in favor? I I motion carried. Any correspondence? I have nothing. Okay. Um next is uh speed check land development plan. Uh good evening. Mike Sanford, 4721 Atlantic Avenue. And your this plan was tabled a couple months ago as you recall. Uh you wanted the traffic study to be finalized and submitted, which that's been done. Um I know that it was submitted to both Pendot traffic unit and also the township and Pendot had uh I believe one comment and the engineer responded. We're still awaiting Pendot's approval uh but it is under under review. So since the prior meeting and this meeting I did submit a new um sheet two of our plan and it does show the deceleration lane along Edinburgh Road.

It shows the turn lane along Edinburgh Road and it shows that the driveway onto Hershey Road is has one restricted movement. It would be no left in. So, it would allow right in, right out, and also left out, but no right, no left in. Um, so we're here tonight to answer any other questions you may have on the plan. And, um, we did since the last meeting, we did receive our NPDES approval from the conservation district and our ENS approval. and we're still working our way through the with the sewer authority on how the sewer would be extended to this development. Uh we've outlaid three options with them with Bill Stef and um he's reviewed all those drawings and right now those drawings are out for bid by contractors so the sewer authority can decide how they want to participate on this project. So here tonight to answer any questions. Mike, just out of curiosity on the sewer issue, how long is that run or the extension? How long will that have to be? Oh, it's going to be uh about 1,000 ft because we need to cross Edinburgh Road. Well, we want to cross Edinburgh Road and then extend on our side of the road. The sewer authorities preference is to stay on the west side of Edinburgh Road, come up to the intersection and cross diagonally and then go on the south side of Hershey. So, it's about a,000 ft extension. Okay. on the eastbound traffic on Hershey. Will there probably needs to be signage? Yes. Yeah. Pendock does require us to put signage with the the no left turn signal or Yes. signage. We have two of those. One would be on the concrete median island and then also one on the south side of Hershey as well. Um, but this driveway will have the uh physically raised concrete island to make it so people in turn in or limit who breaks the law. Roughly the dimensions of that island,

uh, I would I'm just looking at the drawing there along Hershey Road, I would say it's probably 12 feet and then lengthwise it's probably 20 ft. So it's it's it's sizable. Do you know how far it is from that driveway to the house or to Hammet Road? I don't know. If I had to estimate, I would say cuz the house isn't that far from the back of that. That's why I'm just wondering which house on the north side. Yeah, the one Willow house that's still there. Yes. Well, I can tell you there's uh the first house you come to is is Julie Willow's sister and then the next one I think was John's mother. Yes. Um, but the first house is there's probably about 150 ft that John and Julie Willow still own. And then it's the parcel that the sister-in-law lives on. Trying to gauge roughly where this entrance is. You know where the existing fire hydrant is. Where would the entrance be to that one fire hydrant that's right along That's right across combiner's house, right? Is that Yeah. I I do not have the hydrant on my drawing. I I don't It's on the engineering drawings that the engineering department has, but I don't have that with me. I just wonder how close it was cuz I'm trying to guess. I was guessing that it was right about where that hybrid was, but just I just wanted it to so I'd have a relative landmark to understand where everything goes. Right. Yeah. I I I don't I don't really know. Well, I guess the easy if you look at the drawing, you can see the way the turn lanes there uh and the way that tapers in um and it goes back to just a two-lane road. That that's probably be the best way to look at it. if you go by by the site this evening.

Any thought given to or I'm sure um people passing through from shortcutting that intersection going through the gas island into that other exit on I I know that's always a concern of people doing that. I know it's illegal to do but I know people do it. A couple of my clients have put signs no through traffic and that only does so much. What about some kind of a speed bump or or something that's going to deter? Yeah, I I could I I'll ask I'll ask Mr. Sing for that question. I will do that. Be to his benefit to have some kind of a deterrent. Yep. I I will promise you I'll ask. He's probably got experience with that too, though. Doesn't he have that situation in other locations? I would imagine. I don't I'm not This is pretty unique though. If you're cutting off that corner, if there's any backlog of traffic on Hershey, people can see straight across it. Oh, yeah. Even I think it would be a safety. And then I think it would be beneficial to the safety of the patrons that are walking from the gas pumps in to pay if they're paying inside. Having a speed bump right roughly adjacent to where those um where the canopy or do a dual one right along the underside of the canopy. Okay. Slow it down. I I I jotted that down here and I will absolutely talk to Mr. Singh about that. Has has uh foot traffic from the uh uh copper leaf area been addressed at all or thought of or talked about? Um all I can I No, not specifically in our application. No, we we have a deferred sidewalk along our side of Edinburgh Road. So technically, if someone of Copper Leaf wanted to come over here, they would they're not supposed to walk directly across the street. It's not an intersection.

They're supposed to go up to the intersection, cross properly, and then come back down. Um, so then that makes that sidewalk more usable than if there there is not a sidewalk on the west side currently to do what I just said. But, uh, yeah, and and we on our plan, we have, uh, the deferred sidewalk and we're willing to put it in whether that's immediately or whenever the township and pend direct that, but we did ask for deferral just cuz it's not connected into anything right now. To me, I think it makes sense to have it just because of that exact scenario. I think both of them should have to put them in properly. Yeah, I don't. I mean, if you're going to do one, you're going to have to require the other. Be honest with you. Plus, you're going to have to have some kind of crosswalk on Ed. Yeah. Mhm. Any other questions or comments from the board? Well, I want to understand where exactly we're at with the uh Mike, you mentioned earlier that there were you were waiting on something from environmental or No, I mentioned we received approval. Yes. By the N conservation district for the NPTES and ENS plans. And then sewage is the uh other outstanding aspect. The sewer authority is we have our uh planning module approval. So, we know it can be extended. We're just working with the sewer authority on which sewer

extension option. There's three viable options and it comes down to what the sewer authority has this plan of taking the sewer other places that's way beyond this property. And uh Bill Stef has ideas of I want it to get there, therefore I need the sewer this deep and I want it to get there. So we've given them three options um and we're waiting for them to tell us which option they they want us to do. Um So is it safe to say that that's just a matter of picking an option? Absolutely. Yes. All three are viable. All three are perfectly uh engineered. They can be engineered. It's they're totally all legitimate options. It just is which the sewer authority wants to particip. What I mean by that is Lucky Singh could extend the sewer to serve himself and be totally happy. Um, Bill Stef thinks that's shortsighted because he wants to take this take advantage of this project and say, "Well, what if we put the sewer a little deeper? What if we and the sewer authority wants to contribute to that?" Um, and they say, "Listen, if we pay a little extra and the sewer can get a little deeper, then we can reach further in the township." So, yeah, they're all perfectly uh viable options. Okay. So, it sounds like there's cooperation going on there and absolutely working through these problems. Yeah. And just knowing I read the paper the other day that they have a liquor license. Yes. Also, so I would think that that would make a major attraction from across the road to go get a Happy Bear beverage. So back. Well, the new restaurant there's got to be a license, too. The new one that's going Southern the Southern building. Okay. Yeah. That's going to be Falcon Homes or something like that. and pizza. But irregardless, I think there's going to be some I guess that's what we're talking about here. That's

what I'm talking about here. Sorry. So, have we discussed the traffic study? Do we want to take that on? I think we should. Okay. As part of this, one of the reasons why we, if I may, may I go ahead? Absolutely. One of the reasons why we decided to table this last time was because of the traffic study. And based on my reading of it, they the people who did the study basically said the impact of this development is negligible. There are negligible there's a negligible impact on this traffic in that area. And they went down and they they talked about the number of trips, the number of increased trips, the number of pass trips, and those types of things. And from what I gathered from it was that they said, uh, traffic's not going to be an issue to the point where it would, you know, entangle that intersection, you know, in problems. That's what that's what I got from it. Now, I don't know what what do the what did you get from it? So we can I didn't understand a lot of it, but I think you're what you're saying is probably correct that they're saying that, but I don't feel that's the truth. I don't think that's what's going to happen cuz there's already plenty of traffic in there. Oh, yeah, there is. But I mean, it's a pretty extensive study and I personally I'm I'm confident in the result of the study. Now, is there going to be increased traffic? Yeah, it was going to be at peak hours there's going to be 92 extra trips in and out of that, you know, at peak hours. But I don't think that if you sat in front of sheets like at Liberty and in Peach or whatever and or, you know, down the road from or 38 in Liberty or whatever and watch the traffic in and out of there, you know, you you get a similar impact. I know it's not apples

and apples, but you know, it's it does increase the traffic flow. Somehow they were able to absorb it at that busy intersection already. I mean, 38 and uh that that particular intersection right there, 38 Liberty, is very very busy. So, I don't know. I'm kind of comparing it to that just to kind of get an idea of of what the impact would be. Now, this is kind of an oblique intersection, too. So, it's, you know, I don't know how that contributes to it or not, but evidently the traffic study took that into account as well. So my my my reading in the traffic study is that it it basically greenlighted u the development based on traffic. That's the way I read it. Correct. And there are is some we we use the word mitigation. There is some mitigation required this turn lane and the deceleration lane. Right. They did make recommendations. Correct. Any other questions or comments? Is there anything like that can be done when you guys are doing this or is this a state have to do it? But some kind of a traffic light at that turn on to 99 northern turn on to 99 off of Hershey Road. Yeah. Is there is a stop sign there? It's not a yield sign. No one stops at the stop sign in the little sweep lane thing. Yeah. Um, I guess what I'd say is the the traffic study did look at those things, looks at and basically said no changes to the signal is warranted. That's the word they use, warranty. They have anything like a railroad gate. Yeah. Well, they don't they don't suck. No, they brought that up. That's not the only intersection where they don't stop. Oh, no. It's it's common to the district. Pendot. Yeah, I've talked to the PENDOT district

engineer about those concerns. We are discussing some options there, but that's unrelated to this project. Okay. All right. I hate to sound like gloom and boom, but I'm worried about pedestrian traffic. Yeah. Going over there for a six-pack. What kind of shape they're going to be in and what kind of dangerous traffic situation it might generate? Without a crosswalk, especially without a crosswalk, right? Is that is that what you're Well, some some safety feature. Yeah. That can can ensure that uh we're not going to have a uh a bad problem. And again, I I think it's going to increase it because I I believe that his his his business model is to high volume. It's high volume. High volume. High volume. And it's going to be a magnet for people across the street especially. Yeah. for for the gas, for the alcohol. I mean, he's he's got the the total package there. And so, I mean, the the lack of a a crosswalk at that intersection bothers me, too. I mean, that concerns me. And I don't know I don't know how how do you address that per se because is it a is it a fault of the development or is it a fault of the infrastructure well it's just you know the development brings it to light but is it the in a weakness in the infrastructure that is there inherently before the development even takes place and I mean you can look at it there's you You can see that there's no crosswalk. So at Edinburghough and Hershey, there are crosswalks across Edinburgh Road. Okay. Where's that at? Yeah, I'm looking at the aerial imagery right now. It's it's whenever they took this picture, it needs repainted, but it is there. So the curve there,

there's nobody really walks there. No. Well, and that's going to be the crux of the issue. Nothing for them to go to. We put in the sidewalks. They have to walk down to the intersection, cross at the intersection, and walk back. Well, then is that is that something that's incumbent on correct me if I'm wrong, but Copper Leaf's sidewalks were deferred? They were. And they were deferred until when? Until the supervisors deemed them necessary. You guys can make a recommendation based on this development. We recommend the sidewalks be constructed with this development as well as with the Copper Leaf development, but that doesn't get you all the way to the intersection because there's a property in between the crosswalk and the intersection. It gets you really close. Well, we just put that part of our recommendations. Yeah, I I don't know what more the board can do to we we cannot construct a crosswalk across from one driveway to the other and I would never let that fly. Yeah. Right. So, in other words, but if so, if you're going to put a crosswalk on the east side of Edinburgh Road, where's it going to go to? If you can't construct a cross a crosswalk across Edinburgh Road, you're actually by putting that sidewalk in, you're inviting people to illegally cross Edinburgh Road to jump on that sidewalk to come down to the speed check. Mhm. Aren't you? It it it's going to happen. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. So, and it basically boils down to are they going to get their feet dirty or are they going to walk across? Even if we had sidewalk all the way down that railroad, people are just going to run across the side or run across the road. I think we can do due diligence and and pass that. You can't get stupid think stupid cuz in the I live in the burrow of McCain. There's one crosswalk in the entire burrow, but it's like the most dangerous place to cross the road. So, I'm going to look both ways and cross somewhere before I get to there because people go to that stop sign, you're in the

crosswalk, they look the other way and just drive off cuz they pretend if they don't see you, you weren't there. Well, this is such a unique animal, I believe, with the uh angles of the of the streets intersection. interception that that it's something I'm I'm I'm having a hard time juggling it in my head. And with more I hate to say it, but with more congestion, people are going to pay more attention. So, the cars will potentially slow down a little bit because there's going to be people pulling in and out of those driveways and a lot more or maybe speed up. To me, the main conveyance into this business is going to be in a vehicle. Yes. To me, and although the crossing issue is important because you're talking about human beings crossing traffic. Mhm. I know as although it's important, it it may not be overriding to the point where we would say that the existing crosswalk that's there at least supplies a method, a controlled method for crossing Edinburgh Road if you want to get from the west side of Edinburgh Road to the east side of Edinburgh Road. You know, basically it's checking a box. And I know there are problems with that, but I think we should recommend that that the sidewalks that are deferred be put in. I agree. At least on Copper Leaf and that then that property to the to the south of that those they're not they're under no obligation to do sidewalks. Is that correct at this point? Yes and no. We could um the way the

ordinance reads, we can give them notice that we would want them to put the sidewalk in and then they have a certain amount of time to do so. So there is that option with the sidewalk ordinance. It's on the transportation plan that they need to go in. So there is a mechanism there. It's not a fast one. Yeah. You know, it's it's not pretty, but I think that's almost what we're looking at. I mean a recommendation to the it's not pretty but it's it's we'd have to talk to our solicitor to discuss the mechanism and how to do that. Right. Right. But I think it might now Chris does it begin to address some of the issues you got because at least the sidewalk would would help bring them down to the intersection where there is a controlled crosswalk. And I I don't think it it would show we're doing some diligence and and we're not being negligent on our part to look at this future, right? And that let's get out from underneath some of the culpability. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So that we we'll give them an avenue to do this. And again, I think the ordinances that have been installed a little bit ago as far as putting the sidewalks in and permitting defer deferred placement until it's necessary. I think if you put this installation in, it's going to be necessary. And I think we ought to we ought to even make the adjining property properly comply to to the area that needed to make the crosswalk. That would be my recommendation. Viable. I know it's not pretty, but yeah, I I would Well, we got to wrap this in one big beautiful motion here, but start it off. But I would think that that the motion would be um and there are so many subnotes here. You know, Mike, you know, there's there's

this yet to be done and that yet to be done. And Matt, I hope you would have record. Yeah, we have to start someplace. So the motion would be to approve the plan as submitted with the outstanding items as noted and recorded by Matt and yourself, Mike. um be tended to and with the recommendation to the supervisors that sidewalk, deferred sidewalk in the Copper Leaf area, Copper Leaf property on property to the south of that be completed to facilitate pedestrian crossing at the controlled intersection rather than at an uncontrolled point on Edinburgh. road. Is that same thing on the sidewalk that she wrote most of it down? I think they should be on. And if I could clarify, when you say outstanding items, did you mean the sewer authority? Yeah, the sewer the sewer issue. Uh you've got all your variances. You've got um I think the only outstanding I think the only thing that can hold them back from approval at this point because the sewer authority they have the module so they're they're good there. They're just the permitting part of it now and that's not dependent on this. I think the only outstanding item they really have is the comments from PennDOT regarding the traffic, right? And that was the recommendation that was made at the end of the traffic study. Is that what you're talking about or Well, we need PEDOT's approval of the traffic study. We're just awaiting that. So, sidewalks on both sides of 99. I think we're talking sidewalks on both sides of 99. Even though I'm personally not a fan, but that's a I mean I'm personally not a fan of a sidewalk on the east of 99 simply because it it's the sidewalk to nowhere. It's not going to a crosswalk. It's not going to control crosswalk. But

how are they going to get to the So that which way do they walk? So is it safe to come down? It I'm saying that they're going to walk down here is properly saying they'll walk down here and then cross here. Yes. But then you got to get to the building which is clear back over here. So how do you how do you get to here? So you walk across. Well, they're going to have to walk across the property which could be just proposed rain garden right here. They would go into that. Okay. So if you would say Okay. So you bring sidewalk up here so they could get back to the building here. Is that all right? You see that line? I didn't follow that. Both sides. Yeah. It's bothid but not up to the building. They could walk up the driveway. Parking. Yeah. Yeah. And if they want to, I guess that would be a a good thought to is have a some kind of a pedestrian Yeah. sidewalk from at least cuz there right now there's just 24 ft cart paths, right? So if they made it a little bit wider or have a area to green space and and have a sidewalk parallel with that other So that needs to be added as motion. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'll second that. Okay, you think that was it? That's all I can think of. What else? What? I think you covered it all there. The speed bumps or something. You have that, right? I had to jot it down. That's a recommendation to consider those. Yes. Yep. And signage on on uh Yeah, he's already mentioned that the signage has to be there, right? Before you open, right? Yes. Pendot will require that. Okay. Is there a target date for opening? Um I don't he hasn't shared with me the exact date, but he he wants now. Yeah, he wants to start earthwork because he has a lot of earth work to do and we have the approvals to do the earth work. We don't have the land development

approval, but he understands that. So he would like to actually start construction in a few months. Yes. Any other discussion on this motion? Call for a vote. I I missed the motion. Okay. Sorry. Motion carried. Okay. Thank you. Good. Thanks, Mike. Next on the agenda is the green space for the same property. Yeah. And I'll be honest, um I don't believe this is an alternate plan. I believe this is a compliant plan. And I know your board really only reviews and approves alternate plans. Um I'm happy to present this. Um maybe the reason it's on the agenda. I mean, we present alternate plans all the time, don't get me wrong, but this we believe is a compliant plan with the exception we got a variance from zoning hearing board to reduce the internal plantings from what you what your ordinance requires. So I guess I'm happy to present the plan if if you guys feel this is an alternate or if it's compliant plan you don't necessarily need to take action. I think we my opinion I think you need to add some on that Hershey roadside. We um just we got neighborhood right there and I'm sure they're going to get blasted with lights and noise and something to screen that business from across the street. What are the plants that are going along the Hershey side? Do you know? Yeah, we have it on our schedule here. I said the sea green junipers and the deciduous trees, right? We gave a mixture of five different deciduous tree choices that could go there and um the ordinance requires them along the entire perimeter to be spaced at um I can't remember if

it's 30 or 40 ft. And then in between there we have shrubbery. We have a combination of deciduous trees, five varieties called for uh each 8ft tall at the time of planting. And then we have three sea green junipers, two foot at the time of planning. And how tall do they end up? Junipers get probably about 4t tall. So I think we're concerned about lights going into the neighbors windows. And from that area by the uh electric Yeah. charging pretty close to the road. I guess if more could be added in there to me that makes I kind of feel that our might be a better I was just going to ask if our what we're talking about because our would Yeah. Get a little taller. Yeah, as long as that's not going to visibility. Yeah, visibility. It shouldn't. No, the car would be in south of those car would be on the Hershey road side of Barbetti. Are we talking just behind the EV stations or? Well, pretty much that whole side because there's there's houses directly across the street from those. So, there's one actually real close from the rain garden to the edge. Try to block the headlights. Yeah. The rain. We go from the rain garden to the driveway and from the driveway to the property line. Those two those two chunks. Yes. And so would I'm just asking we we then would we would remove the we would remove what we show now and put arbite. Okay. I I don't have a problem with that. And kind of like a hedge hedge row you mean? Is that Yeah. Well, I'm going to talk to the owner and just you know cuz arabites can get 15 ft tall. Yeah. Right. So depending on the variety correct does he want to have um I understand what I'm hearing blockhead lights. So in order to do that you really want something that's like four foot tall four to six something like that. So I just have to talk to him. If if there's um a hedge, if there's a

arbite, a dwarf arborite or something, I hear what you're saying and I sound and lights. Yeah. So, I can I could I'll I'll amend the plan to do that. Um I don't can't say it'll be arbite until I speak to him, but I'll tell you it'll be four to six foot tall. Yeah. I'm just They say arite because they have foliage on them all year round. Yes. So, if it's some other kind of shrub, they don't always have foliage. They might have sticks, a lot of sticks, right? But they don't have foliage. Okay. and wasn't evergreen. Well, then I think I'll just I'll tell them our bitees and we'll see if we can get a dwarf variety. Yeah. Um that doesn't get 15 20 people. Well, they can get trimmed, too. Yeah. They can come to my house and trim mine. Might have anything else on the uh green space? Call for a motion then. I would approve the green space with the addition of the arbor and replacing those from the rain garden to the property line. Yeah. Otherwise approve it. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor? I thank you. Thanks, Mike. Next on our agenda is uh capital uh amended land development plan. Good evening. I'm Steve Copac with David Lair Associates, 1557 West 26th Street. In front of you tonight is the Caplugs land development plan. looking to put about an 82,000 foot uh warehouse addition on their existing facility. We were here last month. Uh I met with the zoning hearing board and received two variances for additional parking out front and uh

and the use and the use. Yeah. the use for putting what was the other looking for uh to put an area and it's now not zoned for the the use that's already existing. So we had to obtain a variance to get the uh use for that facility to be installed. Uh the submitted water management ENS u planting plan uh MPDS permit all that's been submitted to the various authorities. Matt has reviewed the storm water plan and provided some comments. we've resubmitted with some of those comments being addressed. Uh he provided a couple other email comments the other day and we're taking care of those. Any comments you have tonight, I'll address those as well and submit one last package of information hopefully to get that taken care of. Uh we're still waiting on the MPDS permit. Uh the sewer authority, we've met, we've uh emailed been back and forth with the sewer authority. It's going to be an internal connection and it's a warehouse and they don't expect to bring too many more people online to to run the warehouse. They currently warehouse offsite. So the people that load the trucks and send the trucks off to 18th Street are going to stay here and basically load the warehouse. So they don't anticipate a bunch more suits closed. So it'll just be an internal connection, a couple bathrooms, and we won't be seeking any exemption or sewer module for that. um here to answer any other questions you might have on the project. So, the trucks that now are backed up to the building along 99. Yes. Those are going to go back here to this loading dock. That loading dock will stay active. There's a loading dock in the back currently by the silos receiving, right? Uh yes, in the back right by those like six little circles you can see on the drawing. it will they'll they'll now be turned and be those uh four that you see right there. So, they'll come in and go around the building. That's why there's a drive

around the building and then back into the the new loading area right there. And they're going to go out the road or they're going to go out. They're going to go back. They put this drive in to go out either direction, but they'll have the option of going out the way they came or back out on. So currently they go down Embro road and make that bend and come in the back off of Zil Road. So it should eliminate that for the most part going around that hard turn at Benboro Road and Zil Road. Is that going to be a difficult turn? Right now you're 90° off of I guess your your back road. It just not as fluent for 90 degree turn off. So it's going to be more skewed just yeah they'll come out they'll leave they're at a different angle now they leave at a 90° from what they left before. So they'll pull forward and if they want to go out to zip road they'll just make a left-hand turn out that and then back out the rope. We've modeled it with a simulation, a truck turning simulator, and they can go either direction. Okay. Any idea on how much volume is going to be decreased on the 99 docks when the these other four docks are created? I those 99 docks don't function for the same use as this warehouse part will. So, I don't think there'll be any change in the amount of trucks in and out of the 99 docks. Those will still operate as they operate. This is solely for the warehouse part. Well, for right now, they have to move the product off of those docks out. Yeah, they have docks in the back, too. Oh, yeah. There are two. I noticed there are two facing

uh Silk Road at the present time. And um those those handle the warehousing situation. The ones in the rear do. The ones in the front are their dayto-day. they you they're not going to increase or change that anymore. It will just be the ones out in the rear that they would have typically I think their uh storage warehouse now is on 18th Street. They rent space and they truck it out of there down to there and then bring some of it back when they need it. So, this is to remove that process out of their operation essentially. Well, I was just just hoping that it would cut down some of that I mean traffic but he hasn't said that to me. It has not we haven't discussed any change in that use out front. It's this is entirely racking and storage for caps and plugs. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Call for a motion. I have something to say. Yeah. No, I I was just working something up over here. Yeah, I was just working through the I was working through the truck traffic in and out. You know, one of the big concerns I think Chris brought this up and you know, it's the uh it's just the the congestion that might occur on that road. I mean, that's a growth corridor, you know, and we're you know, that that whole area is a growth quarter and we just kind of try to keep an eye on what's going on in the future as things become busier and busier and busier. We as a result of the last comprehensive plan, we invited that of identifying it as a growth quarter and I just want to make sure that we don't end up like I was going to say Cranberry Township, but I won't. But, you know, you get the idea. I don't want to go too far to the point where we just lose all concern for congestion. That was my only

concern. So, um I I would approve the the plan as I'd make a motion to approve the plan as as proposed. Um I don't think there were any were there any outstanding comments? No. No. They're still working on the storm water, but just minor. Thanks. Okay. My motion discussion. All in favor? I. Motion carried. Thank you. Next is our storm water. Storm water. a green space. We we presented with an alternate green space plan planting some lower growing uh holly I believe it is along Edinburgh road and then a couple locust trees in the island. Uh the grade kind of falls off from the road down into the parking lot too. So, it'll also help deflect any partial lighting. Primarily just going to leave everything to the south as it is. It's pretty grown up to the south. You'll see there's some wetlands there. We're going to get a GP permit across the wetland, but primarily avoid any impacts to the wetland. And And you're leaving the wooded area? Yeah, that's all untouched over there. It's outside of our limited disturbance. We don't plan on even heading over that way. Should that be noted on the plan somehow? They have here they have another environmentally sensitive plan that they have that shows all that. Okay. And this the way the mixeduse neighborhood is they're required to

have I can't remember the percentages like 25% vegetative covers throughout. so much percentage around and and they have a map showing all of that. They have a small one here if you'd like to see it. I just want to make sure it was known. It was known. Yep. It's on. Yeah. Provided that map. Yeah. I basically and all the new plantings are just in this general area right here. And everything else is going to be existing to remain. So, we have the low growing plantings along the 99 and then the two trees here. And if you recall, this is where the the sewer I think there's a sewer ement that runs through here. So, kind of limited to what we can plant there. There's also a lift station in that there. There's like all kinds of utilities probably through there. Right off the corner of the proposed parking lot, you can kind of see where the parking stops. That's where the uh lift station is. Right here. Yeah. Yeah. Call for a motion then green space. I make a motion plan as presented. Second discussion. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Next is uh EJ Triniki subdivision plan. Uh hello again. Um yeah, EJHiki owns this property on Flower Road and he would like to subdivide basically one tax lot into three. So creating two new lots and the two smaller lots in the front. So Matt Jonas had a couple review

comments and we addressed those by adding the drainage easements that are required. And um I did provide Matt an additional drawing and justification for why the lot lines are not perpendicular radial. It has to do with the driveway that's existing that goes back to the residue and crosses over the little creek there. So that that driveway set the north line of lot two and just for simplicity I made the south line of lot one parallel to that. So just here today uh we are working with the sewer authority uh to do extend the public sewer. It would be a low pressure sewer but this would be these lots would be public sewer. Um then they would heavy pressure get a grinder pump. Each home would have a grinder. You can't get to that lift station and cross the road. No it's up gradient. So we need to pump pump uphill to let it drain back to kind of love it. Yeah. So, h that's kind of a bummer, but yeah. Any questions? It's three units, right? I'll make a motion to approve as presented. Second discussion. All in favor? I. Thanks, Mike. Thank you. Can I see I know we already voted on it, but could I ask a question about the speed check green space? I hear you about blocking headlights and I was sitting there thinking, what are the grades and is our site down a little lower? So, I don't mind just doing arborites. I'm not going to argue. Or if if we did a little mound with evergreen plantings on top, did we accomplish the 4 to 6 ft total or is it No, I want our provides. I'm just asking. Is there any I don't mean that's kind of I think the means and the methods up to

you and the developer, right? I do too because the develops introducing a mound makes it more timeconuming to cut grass, right? So, and you know you're you're going like this down the but if you have but I guess the question is that's a good place everybody that he's going to raise the net height with a mound and a shorter plant compared to just a taller plant on a level ground. That's what the and I think Steve Copek said it well the the K plugs uh their sights out a little lower than the road so the headlight. So I just can't think right now if my sight's a little lower than the road or not. It's not higher is what I'm saying. And so if we're a foot foot or so lower, if we did a twoft mound and twoft plants, we get that 4 to 6 foot. Um, I think the noise and the lights are at least in my opinion is is the reason. Well, yeah. If you have a mound that bounces sound up, which is a way to fix sound and one of the ways that you can fix sound if it's a high enough mound, right? So, I just want to give him some options. So, okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. See you later. Take care, Mike. Thank you. Next on our agenda, I put it away, is uh comprehensive plan implementation updates. Is that you, Matt? Yeah, I don't really have a whole lot. Um, a quick update on Downs Drive. Uh, it went out for bid. Lindy got the contract. It was around 276,000 plus or minus. Uh, our grants's worth 250,000. So, it leaves us with 21,000. I guess my math might be off, but we have about 21,000 that we have to chip in. Um, so they're looking to do the paving end of June. So, that'll be done. Our guys have already done a drainage project over there um last

week. You probably saw the congestion over there for that. Uh we're going to go in probably after they're done paving to remove the excess asphalt. Uh and then it'll be wider boulevards and two-lane road with dedicated left turn lanes. Wow. Nice. And um so it'll be nice. A little more green space over there. So I think that's all I have really cooking at the moment. when just a question. When do we start the next comprehensive plan process? Yeah, because I remember we we went out for request for bids. Mhm. That was well before 2018 if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, we did 2018. They recommend to make some amendments if possible within 10 years. I think so. You don't have to be a fullfledged. You have to ask. He's got a question for you. Have you always been a masochist? Yeah. Really? Literally. But the last one was really a lot of fun though, you know. It was uh there was a lot of I guess to define fun. I know. I know. I know. I just You're okay. You're all right. I I was just wondering. I was just think you know 2018. Wow. That was a long time ago and we are I mean I just want to bring it up, you know. Okay, there it is. We can forget about it now for another year or so. But other businesses I just thought I'd bring it up. That's all. Other business. I have nothing to think of. How about public comment? You got anything to say on then? I need a motion for adjournment. I move we adjourn. I'll second discussion.

I I Wait. Okay, good. Thank