Council - Regular Meeting

All right, it's uh it's time. So, we're going to call the meeting to order. It's 7:02. Looks like we have a good turnout from the public tonight. So, appreciate everybody coming out. Um I will start out the meeting. Um we have all members present tonight and um we will do a reading and approval of the meeting minutes from July 2nd. Has everyone had a chance to review the meeting minutes? Yes. Yes. All right. I was not at the meeting last month, so I'll abstain. But would someone like to mo make a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. Now second the motion. All in favor? I.

All right. Meeting minutes are approved from July 2nd. All right. We'll start down with town department reports. Uh the town marshall's office is out. Alyssa, did you print that by chance? I did. I had earlier. Oh, Joe is here. Oh, Joey can read it.

Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Uh we had eight calls for service, issued 16 warnings, nine citations, had zero arrests, zero gun permits, zero lockouts. We had two title checks, assisted Decator County zero times, assisted Shelby County once. Um had one court date county, issued six permits. Uh Josh had 84 hours with eight of those training. I had 14 hours and 8 hours of training and Austin had 11 hours. All right. Thank you.

Uh the fire department, I believe I seen an email report come through.

Alyssa, did you print that by chance? I have it right here. All right. Um, I have it as well. Okay. So, report came from Dan Pennington. They have 18 active members. They had 42 hours of training for the month and they responded to seven calls. All right. Next, Jim Richard.

We had seven in July. One very large one, the WCW wrestlers came on July, I think it was. They liked it so well they coming back in October. It uh it caused a midnight rental from some users as well. So, people went in at midnight. They closed up at 11. So, yeah. Awesome. So it was was typical though for July other than that because you know there aren't a lot of rentals in there.

Yeah.

Anyway, that's that's it for gym. Plus on top of that less went with us last month. We went through the uh through the gym. We have a real problem with galvanized pipes in there and we have water issues and something more to consider and that it needs it needs new. I think less can add onto this or not but as I understand it PEX is probably the best material over the years. It's also cheaper and there are some copper mines in there into an old restaurant but for the restrooms that are there and the deep packs and then probably need to replace the sink the two sinks and the uh the two toilets that so a wild guess on that to replace those sinks and toilets would be about $100 each. So we don't need anything fancy there. And then the packs I think around 400. Yeah, around $400 for 250 foot of 1 in and 300 ft of 3/4 in

and you can tell what you're going to do. We actually we were John John and Richard actually the only thing you would have to pay for is the material which would do the labor for you sold. Awesome. That's awesome. Incredible. when you get to the exact numbers cost you only bulkheads and that kind of stuff too, right? Bulkhead. So,

okay. It comes in out of from the meter pit with a small section of PE by black pipe and then it transitions to galvanized clear down the length of the building and then it branches off with I think some of it's galvanized to copper. So we would have to pull some 3/4 inch food to attach to the copper pipe. Okay. We were able to get the sink as far as that goes. The sink. Okay.

So, it sounds like piping is around four or 500 bucks. Um sink toilets. Two sinks and two toilets. Yeah. Yeah. Couple hundred bucks a toilet probably. So, $1,000 to upgrade. Maybe if we Richard, did you say you had looked and seen what some sinks would cost? Yeah, actually those smaller sinks when they're in there like you can get them for either or about

All right. So for 500 bucks in material, there's two toilets. So another $400 in toilets, 900. Two sinks 1,200 and there's probably with all plumbing you're always short on something miscellaneous. So probably not more than 1,500 bucks. I would think so. Would the other members of the board consider approving $1,500 towards upgrading the bathrooms? Yeah, I think so. I mean, the labor's the the best incentive there, too. That's the definitely the right price. Thank you for offering that. That's I guess John and John John. Yeah, that's awesome, guys. Thank you.

Volunteers and Richard will be there as well, so we can all pitch in and probably get it done. Awesome. Well, pretty easily. I hope looks easy. Yep. Well, we very much appreciate you guys offering to do that. Um, what fund would we consider taking that from? Okay. So, it's available. Yeah. I think so far this year so far this year we brought in around $5400. Okay. Yeah. Think that sounds wonderful. Yeah. Should we make a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second.

All right. All in favor of allowing up to $1,500 towards materials for the upgrade of a plumbing in the gym. I I out of the gym fun. Clarify. All right. Anything else, Richard? No. All right. Thank you.

It's chirping somewhere. I'll get it. Okay. Not tomorrow. Look how yellow that looks like. Like it needs replaced. Yeah. No, it's one by one. Yeah, I understand. All right. less. All right. Water and sewer.

Yes, water and sewer. This is the report for August 5th, 2025. We'll go quickly through the best part of it, I guess, is that we did not have any violations for the month, the most recent month of data we have, which is June. Of course, July's report is not due until the 28th and we still have basically uh some testing that needs to be taken out before we have a full report. Okay.

But there quality is within the NPDS permit. Of course, you have your permit limits down below and then actual you bring down through there. uh bod 25 you had 16.1 maximum weekly average was permit limits are 40 you had 25.2 two for suspended solids per minute per minute limits average is 70 you have 67.5 maximum weekly limits are 105 and 86 formonia average is 10.9 for the month permit limits and unit 1.08 maximum weekly average limits are 16.4 unit 1.45 45 E.coli limits are 125 monthly average you had 70 uh maximum weekly or month maximum month monthly is a 235 and you had a 97 and of course your design flow is 120,000 gallons per day we've got it set at 100,000 gallons per day so that's pretty much it as far as that goes I don't need to read through the other parts of it or

if there's anything pertinent or that we need to call special attention to go ahead. Otherwise, not particularly, you know, uh there is a few other items that I'd like to bring up. Uh okay. Of course, the one hydrant I reported one with the bag over it. I reported last month that it's too old to be rebuilt 1946 hydrant. So, it'll it will have to be replaced. Okay. And the most recent one we knew the one the u not nurs was leaking but I guess it's coming to the surface now. Okay. So it needs to be replaced as well. Okay.

I think last I got a price hydrant around 3500 a piece. So you'll have that is that installed? No material. Okay. Do we know what installation would run on those? Well, what we would charge is 1,500 a piece. Okay. Around 5,000 for those hydrants. Okay.

Yeah. Does anyone recall? Did you bring it? I thought you brought up maybe two months ago. I wasn't here last month. Yeah, but I know I know there's been it's been discussed. Does anybody know why we remember why we didn't make a decision proceed on that? We were waiting on a quote. Okay. Waiting on a quote. Okay. Um, so those hydrants both being 5,000. Alissa, don't you have one quote from Josh?

I don't know. Yeah, I think you did put a quote through email. He said he did anyway. I don't know. I don't know what is for that. Some other things that recently uh Alina's been having problems with reading the meters. She had 68 this time to read. Uh a couple of them she uh sent me that I went and looked at 216 Pearl Street. I mean it was buried about 3 in deep with gravel. And the fact it's under the lid, the metal lid, that's probably why it's not transmitting.

Okay. They recommend and actually I called utility supply and talked to them about the issue and they always suggest that the antennas are in the lid, but there's a lot of them that's not that we found. I don't know how the contractor read when Jeff finders installed them, but that's what you know they're they're going to recommend if you get a hold of them, they're going to recommend that being in the lid. I don't know if that was part of the contract that they should be in the lid or how that all came about. Can you follow up with Lori? She'll know what that She'll know what the contract language is on that.

Especially with metal. Now, if they're plastic, it'll read pretty good through the lid, but they're metal. They won't Okay. Yeah, maybe check with Lori and see how the contract actually read. Yeah. And if something need to follow up with Jeff to send an email out today and I just never had time. Okay. I know at Rushville we was in a hurry to get them put in. We put them underneath the lids and we had to actually go back and drill lids out to accommodate the antennas. Okay. I do have an antenna inspection coming too. Utility supply. They're going to come down and do antenna. All right. Okay. Okay.

He said they could be covered by landscape damage, broken. So, he's going to come and check. Well, the one right back here Main Street, uh, I went back and checked or tried to check it. It's somebody's piled metal and all kinds of stuff on top of the beer pits. So that's probably why they're not reading. It's not getting the signal out. It's blocking it. I think that's an address, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a it's right back here at the corner. It's a mess back there. I mean, I went back there made an attempt to find them. Uh but there was so much debris on top of them. I couldn't basically would need some kind of machine to get all the stuff off of them. It's made of heavy metal and it's just pile on top top of I don't know what this this factory is or whatever this is over here. This the brick building. What is that shop or the auction? The auction is well whatever it is. It's we just got back behind it. Yeah, back behind it. The meters are in the corner.

Probably the roofing company. It's a it's um 104 street. It's a little house next to the building. Yeah, but the meter it's is back in that corner. I didn't know that when Jesse actually steered me to the right location because I was kind of back there searching for it and he came about and said, "Yeah, he knew where it was. He he took me back there and showed me." So, okay. What material is it? Is it that's on top of it? Metal and all kinds of other stuff. probably from the roofing company.

I don't know what they are. Plates, round plates of some type. I don't know what they are. It's not metal like roofing metal. It's metal plates. Yeah. But it's back behind it. Back behind it. So it's beyond your control. Yeah. who's the well depending on who owns where the actual meter pit is if it's in their property. But we found several meters that during the uh project fiber project we found several meters that were buried under Okay.

Reason why they're not Yeah. as well as I should right pit knock the meter out of it yolk do any damage to anything else it just gets okay um would you mind checking in with the homeowner where that meter pit is buried next time you're in town and seeing if they can if it's if they own the material that's covering the meter pit if not access driveway It's in the driveway. So, it's got to be them. So, just we're going have to ask him to relocate the material.

Well, no, because he was kind of difficult to begin with. He came out there. I mean, of course, I heard everything was about the water. Yeah, any other thoughts. just sent a letter. Doug Ellen's house or whoever owns that. Is that who it's who owns it? G I just showed you. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, he can be the one we need to address. I don't think I think Adrian owns that house. Yeah, I didn't think Doug own that. Oh, he said Doug. But that's probably where the meter is. That's probably what we're we're misunderstanding. It's probably

if it's out of the fence line, I'm sure that's Adrian behind the fence line. stone. Well, that one and this other one's a 216 Pearl down close to the railroad tracks. Just send a letter to the to the homeowner or the property owner and then they can address say it needs to be moved and if it's somebody else has something covering their meter then they can handle it. I don't think we have to jump in the middle of it and tell everybody what to do. Okay, we'll send a letter out. Okay. Anything else?

Um, I don't know if you guys have any heard any complaints about a water leak on Taylor Street down by the uh water tower. Is that Taylor? Well, anyway, about a month ago, a a suspicious water pool of water started forming on uh driveway there at this residence.

It's been Yeah, it's been taken care of, but we couldn't figure out how the water was coming up in the driveway. was a wasn't able to find the meter pit next door because there was a there was a was a truck wreck truck parked on that. So, he wasn't able to pull the meter lid to see uh you know check there for a leak, but you're talking about like 50 to 60 ft going north of where the actual water leak was. Mhm.

But the water kept coming up in their driveway. So, we tested that for chlorine at chlorine. We knew it was city water. We didn't know where it was coming from. So, it leaked for several days and I don't know if it uh you know caused any issue with the you know concrete underneath. We haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anything else on it. Okay. Something else comes up. In the meantime, Alysa or Alena said that the house next door had a high water bill. So we were able to pull the meter lid and sure enough the meter was spinning. So they the leak was actually coming from there. It was like two weeks before we found it.

Leak was coming on their side of the meter or our side of the meter side. Their side. So even if there was an issue with concrete that's not our responsibility. I just want to make you guys aware that I got a call about it and I was led to believe that maybe there was some kind of be some kind of issue because at least we're alone. Yeah. But we do generally work with them if it's fixed. Correct. Yeah. Even if it's on there. I'm just I think he's you're sounds to me like somebody's worried that there might be an issue with concrete long term. The next door. Yeah. Where the water was coming up in the driveway is where they were concerned about. Yeah. So I if if something comes up on that just so we noted for ourselves, the leak was after the meter

and so it was on the resident it was on the homeowner side so that they would be responsible. as well. We have documentation for all that. Correct. Yep. Yeah. And I somebody that was able to get put in a new Yeah. Okay. We should be good. You guys aware that Yep. Thanks for the heads up. Relate to me that there might be an issue.

I know we moved on from the hydrants. So, I just went back and emailed. So, way back when we were doing the project, um I think Jeff Minders had given a number to Lori Young to replace the hydrants way back then. That was back in early 2024. Replace two hydrants. I don't know which two they were. And it was 10,478. So, I wouldn't expect things have gotten any cheaper. So, I don't know if we want to go ahead and entertain. Less is offering to install them at 5,000 bucks a piece. Correct. Yes. All right. I know we've talked about this a couple different months. I think it's in the interest of safety and getting this off of our plates to replace them.

Yeah. Elissa, where are we at in the water fund or hydro? What's that? That's probably something, you know, we've talked about budget things. Yeah. Uh that's probably something in the future that we need to do is pay basically put a line item in there for hydrants and replace hydr like a couple of hydrants every year. Yeah. Just because they're getting a lot of age. And I know Steven Brock also brought up eventually adding hybrid rental. Yes. Yes. A lot of places have that as well. Yeah. But you've got a lot of 1946 is pretty big hybrid.

Yeah. So update I know a lot of them they don't have valves on them as well. So you got to shut down you know Yeah. whatever to get them main to get them replaced. I think we're open to replacing them. I think we just need to make a decision on where we're paying out of it. Which would come out of the water. You do depreciation or you can do construction. There's money in each one of them. So, you have your I don't

want you don't have um I probably have my email on top water tax. So sewage depreciation water depreciate. Okay. Water bond depreciation 15,769 and change and water depreciation. So that's and where's the other one you could take from construction possibly? It's on the same water. I don't see actual water sewer. So, we know it's in depreciation. Mhm. Yeah. We have enough to cover it in water.

What's that? We have enough to cover it in water. Yeah. We want to take it out depreciation or water. Well, that's it's actually listed as water depreciation. That's water. Water depreciation. Yeah. Yeah. And then there is a water meter replacement. That's meter. All right. Would someone like to make a motion to approve $10,000 coming out of water depreciation to replace the two hydrants? One at the the one you mentioned that the bag over it and the one that's at the funeral home. I'm going to make a motion to replace the two for $10,000. I'll second. All in favor? I.

All right. Then you'll just let us know timeline. Can you can you get us an official quote for that though? We can have on documentation tomorrow and get price updated price on the hyd considerably years. Oh yeah, they went up like $1,000 a piece. Okay. Used to be for 2500 and now they're like 35 or something like that. But I'll get an updated price. Okay. But we'll keep we'll honor what I said. I was just say yeah if we can keep it at 10 that's going to be awesome. 10 or less. We'll take less. We'll take less. All right. Um, anything else? No, I think that's it. I think I saw some televising quotes come through. Yes. Um,

are we So, that's another under pressure from IDM to make a decision on that. Yeah, we have to start televising in October. So, we make a decision tonight. Tonight. Um, well, we can review them tonight. We have to make a decision by next month. Um that's that's actually in our compliance for the um yeah that's the hook for the televising.

So we had three quotes come in. One was real outrageous one's Yeah. One's looking around $20,000. We have a $9,200 one which is a televising and jetting. And uh then we have the Wesler which is 7500. Um, but the jetting is not included on that one. So, I mean, sounds like the best bang for our buck would be Robinson's simply because of the jetting.

I mean, I know we work with Wesler. Wesler is familiar with our stuff, too. So, I think Robinson came recommended as well. Yes, Robinson came recommended. Um, explain the jetty. They basically would clean out clean out any debris minus stuff that's actually stuck like any of the loose stuff that they get it out, take it away. They won't they won't like get out tree roots or some obstruction that's stuck in there. They're not going to put that work. They're going to flush them out. Yeah.

So, they would clean and teleise. Yeah, based on their televising, if there's an area that has a bunch of debris, of course, the camera won't get through it. So, they have to get in there and drag it back and then back it out of the procedure. So, I guess if if you guys you guys got the quotes right, did you did too? Um, I guess review those. We can we can reconvene next month, but I think it's in our best interest to get it going. I'm happy to make a decision tonight, too, just to that way, we're not delaying things any further than we have.

I've thoroughly looked at them. You know, I've read every bit of them, and like I said, I I believe [Music] the Robinson sounds like the most we're going to get the most out of that. Yeah. If we can make a decision tonight, let's make a decision. I made no sense in continuing to delay. West had to hire somebody to come in and back or actually clean the lines. It'd be a lot more than what you're looking at.

Well, and that's the eco infrastructure. They they quoted they quoted high because they had they were right around the same range, a little bit higher for the um televising, but then they had the separate cleaning and they did quote us on that. That came that came pretty high. All right. So, would someone like to make a motion to approve the estimate from Robertson pipe cleaning in the amount of $9,225 to clean and camera approximately 4,100 linear feet? I'd like to make the motion to approve Robinson pipe cleaning for that project. I'll second it. All in favor? I I listen that'll come out of sewer.

All agreement coming out of sewer as well.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, I have two other things on mine. I think one is just a I I've seen some emails and conversations going back and forth on. So, I saw Victoria from Cersei in a restaurant last month and she I mentioned we have ongoing issues. Obviously, we have the ochre grant we just got for the comprehensive plan. Um, and once we get that in place, we can have one other ochre grant open. And so we're going to evaluate with sounds like with Lori. I've seen some emails back and forth. Is that accurate on potentially doing a sewer or storm project via an ochre grant?

Yeah. So, there's that. And then I seen something also coming back from Stephen Brock regarding a BIL grant from the state revolving fund that maybe that's I think next year is the last opportunity for that and I think we would potentially be Yeah. So I just wanted to call attention to that. I don't think there's much that we can do tonight but it sounds like the windows closing if that's the right maybe ochre is the right place to get the money. Maybe from the state's a better place. Based on the uh televising, you probably see a pretty looked pretty serious repair. Yeah.

From the televising, you know, a lot of repairs to be made. So, it' be good to have the money available to get that all that stuff taken care of. Yeah. So, just putting it on the radar for us and the public. Yeah. And just remember though, we I know one thing that Stephen Brock was uh concerned about is our rates. Um a lot of those grants will look and say, "Well, we're way behind on our rate studies, so we need to do stuff for ourselves." So, I'm not not real confident that we would be a candidate for that.

Yeah, I think we can get Okra funding, but what he was talking I think was the state revolving fund minimum or maybe it might be Okra, too. Someone that knows more about it will have to tell us. Um, are do we are we waiting on Steven Brock for anything else on that? I know he was going to come back to us with some proposals. I've also seen some emails going back between him and Lori. Is it worth getting the town Lori and Stephen and maybe even Cersei on a call and just let's set the right path forward. Yeah. Yeah, we'll definitely have to do that. Um,

do you want me to kick that off via email or you want to kick that off? I can kick it off. That's fine. Okay. So, Stephen, Lori, whomever from the town. And then probably makes sense to have someone from Cersei. They've helped us with our other grant applications. So, all right. I think that's all I had for water sewer. Anybody else? Anything on water sewer? It's always our most popular topic.

Just uh just a quick just a quick talk about these. So, there are going to be some letters that'll be start being sent out for some of the things that the homeowners can do to help the town for the smoke testing there. They found several areas where parts of cleanouts um the tops are leaking and may need to be replaced. They're literally like5 $6 pieces. Those are things in the homeowners um areas or in their property and stuff. So, um they'll start getting some letters out um kind of advising for the homeowners to do their part. So, and like I said, most of these are going to just be cheap things that I mean, unfortunately, is up to the homeowner, not the town, to replace, but that would help with some of the smoke or some of the leaks that are coming out. So, um advise if you do get a letter, if anybody in the room gets a letter, if you have questions, feel free to reach out and we can explain things better. But um we need to really start getting the zero base stuff taken care of before we start working on the big stuff cuz if we have a hundred little small things that's going to make a big impact that's going to help everybody in the long end. So

okay I think that was also addressed by I think he does some damage that you haven't found or seen yet. Yep. Well, I'm sure we're sure of that, but that's why we're doing the televising and that should tell us. So, um, does have a storm water system or is everything tied into sanitary? I know it's supposed to be separate, but I've never seen any storm water system. I think there is a storm water system. Now whether it's fully functioning is

there is a lot there is a lot of we noticed when we flushing there was a lot of catch basins that are stopped up and the water would pull in the area and just flood you know so that could be something that needs to be done as well as some catch basins need to be cleaned out cleaned out a lot of flooding you know in the areas that I think sorry go ahead especially on Pearl Street there's a couple on Pearl Street that were actually caved in and lady came out and was basically complaining about it. It caved in.

I think I recall a some storm project happening. It's been a little while back, but I remember a contractor being in town and seeing large corrugated pipe going in. So, I don't recall exactly where that was, but I know there's been some storm projects by previous town boards. So that might be something on the radar because you know when it floods and it gets into the manholes it just leaks down through the manholes. Yeah. Contributes to Yep. excess water. Okay. All right. Lot lot of work to do. Plenty to do. Plenty to do. No lack of work. All right. Uh, clerk treasurer

have [Music] Kim. I'm going to pass back the other way. There's a building adjustment that came earlier that needs your signature. Yeah, you mean that sounds about right. We need to sign both pages.

Yeah, that's okay. [Music] [Music] It matches and then accounts payable vouchers. [Music] So, these are what we've read in the email you sent. Yeah. And then three billion. Thank you.

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Yes. And this is a resolution authorizing transfer funds where we had to take some money from the um the bond interest and put it utility out. We have more money going out than we do coming in, which is probably why we need to get on board. Steve, so if Josh wants to read this.

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anything else for the before this resolution. Okay. All right. Reading a resolution authorizing transfer of funds whereas it has been determined that it is now necessary to transfer funds within the same bank. Now therefore be it resolved by the town council of St. Paul town of St. Paul Decater Shelby counties Indiana the expenses of the St. Paul Municipal Water Company due ongo due to ongoing operating bills have depleted that fund 6101 water utility and operating fund. Water bill collections have not been enough to cover bills that have been presented. Transfer of funds is now necessary to get the water utility and operating fund out of a negative balance. A transfer from 6105 bond and interest fund is now necessary to maintain a positive balance. This resolution will be retroactive back to June 30th, 2025. Transfer from water account bank 002 to bond and interest fund 6102 amount of 10,000 going to the utility operating utility operating fund 6101 in the amount of 10,000 with a total transfer of 10,000 duly passed and adopted this day of August by town of St. call the town council uh with supporting documentation. Any questions from the council?

No. All right. I think you already said said this, but this underlies the reason why we need to look at a rate study. We're currently operating in the negative. So, we're borrowing from one account to get the operating account back above the negative balance. So would someone like to make a motion to adopt the resolution authorizing transfer of funds? Make a motion to adopt the resolution. I'll second the motion. All in favor? I

I purposely made it look different. What's that? My signature. I said I purposely made all this different than yours.

All right, Alyssa. Anything else from you? Here's all your signatures.

All right, moving on to new business. We have several agenda requests tonight. I will open up the first uh agenda request. We have a request from Josh Cheney.

Yes. Uh I just wanted to address the property at 304 East Harrison Street. I've been that property for 21 years. Within the last 10 years, it's become overgrowth. And my issue is not is more so with the fact that I've had to pay to get trimmed on several occasions. I've had my sewer line uh damaged twice that I've had to replace um because of roots. I don't know there's not a single tree on my property, but because of the overgrowth along the fence and broken down fence, uh the growth and roots from the trees had damaged extensively. my uh sewer line to my house. I've had to replace gutters because of the trees and like I said, I've uh on three different occasions had to hire a tree trimmer and I don't even own these trees or have any more properties. Um but this has been an ongoing issue for years and uh it's um every time it does get brought up or addressed, they'll have someone there for a couple days just trying to clean up or whatever, but it lasts for like a couple days, maybe a week. um and then just goes right back into it. So, I really don't know the steps to take forward, but it just get expensive on my end story. It's I've got several photographs that I have in my laptop, but it's getting out of control. And then the animals also, we have raccoons around our house in the backyard. They're living feral cats. It's just it's a health hazard and it's

forgive me. Uh 304 Harris Street is abandoned or is there someone living there? So it's abandoned. Yeah, there was claim that the homeowner claimed she's lived there but no one's lived there for years several years and it's very

I live on the same street. I've never seen a car there. What was the last water service? Um, sorry, what was that? The last water service. It was last water service. Our our system is new. We've had it for five years. And in those five years that we've had the system we have now, Keystone, she has not had any water to the house. Without water. Yeah.

And I mean, I personally have offered to help clean up. It's just there's no in it because it just goes right back into, you know, it I could spend a lot of time and money, effort to cleaning it up, but it in three weeks it would be right back in the same shape. Just no effort at all. And my biggest concern is just it gets expensive and damaging my property. Have you spoken to the property owner? Multiple times.

Yeah. And it's just every time it gets brought up, it's a uh she gets very upset and claims that people are picking on her and that it's I mean that's I would be glad to help her, but it's just it would be a useless effort. Um and like I said, it's been ongoing. I know for 10 years or better it's just a continual. the town on several occasions has sent people over there to clean our whole yard up and then like I said it's just that was it that was it then never touched again for several months and then just been an ongoing issue quite quite a long time. So, I guess at this in this protocol, we would send a letter to the homeowners um giving them time to clean it up and we'd send them another letter. If they did don't respond after that other letter, that's when we would make a decision whether we send somebody over and then we bill them. Um, at that point, if it gets to that point, then that's when we we'd build them, they didn't pay, then we take on talk, take legal actions after that. That would be the process of it. So, you've you've made the first process. So,

I think there's a couple couple items here. What's the time frame on that? Yeah. So, he's about to go through that right now. So attached there's a couple copies of our ordinances that have been adopted by the town.

I will note so previously we have discussed this our position as a board as of now maybe not permanently is we are not actively going out and looking for residents um and for us to find. But if a a town resident comes to us with a complaint and it falls within one of our ordinances then we will address it. So just so for public knowledge we'll address it if someone comes to us. we're not actively going out and searching them. So, um just for everyone's knowledge, um there's a couple ordinances that were attached that look like they may apply. Um one, the first one that was attached is the prohibiting of dumping of solid waste. Some of the photos that are attached to the uh agenda request show that there is solid waste there. Um, so solid waste being uh garbage, refuse, or other discarded materials including waste paper, cardboard, racks, cans, bottles, lumber, metal, inoperable motor vehicles, RVs, campers, household appliances, furniture, animal waste, or other junk. Um, so I think some of the photos support that there there is solid waste accumulating on the property. Um so in that case um the town clerk shall issue to the occupant or owner um a written notice to abate the violation to require the owner to occup to correct the condition of the property uh within 10 days after the notice is given. Um property owner shall be entitled to one notice per year before enforcement of violation under section five. Um if section five if she continues to violate there's potential fines. So, one, I think we can utilize the ribbon dumping dumping solid waste, which is the first ordinance adopted in 2025. So, 2025-1. So, Alyssa, if you can submit a letter out on the town's behalf. There's also a

second uh ordinance that was copied to to this uh agenda request, which is the removal of unsafe buildings within the town of St. Paul. Um, just going to quickly try and read down through here. So, the town adopted Indiana code 36-7-9-1 through 36-7-9-28 of the Indiana code um as reference. So, Most of that is the structure of the house.

Yeah, I think a lot a lot of the issue of this one looks like vegetation mostly, right? So, an impaired structural condition that makes it unsafe to a person or property, a fire hazard, hazard to public health, or a public nuisance. vacant and not maintained in a manner that would allow human habitation, occupancy or use under requirements of a statute. Um, this is a problem too all that being outside and whatever living underneath there. Yeah, I am of the opinion that it probably falls within this ordinance as well

in order to the ordinance reads in order for us to act on it.

There would have to be an inspection by an enforcement authority consisting of at least two of the following. The president of the St. Paul Town Board, the chief of the St. Paul Volunteer Fire Department, the county board of health, and the county building inspector um on which the property resides and shall be evaded by repair, rehabilitation, demolition, or removal. So, I'm the lucky guy that drew that straw. So, I will

You found it. Um, I will reach out to either Dan from the fire department or I don't know any from the board of health, but I do know the county building inspector, Tim. So, I may reach out to Tim or Dan and see if one of those can attend with me. Um, if it is determined as we look at the property that it is in violation, then the ordinance allows me to issue an order requiring action. um and they become final 10 days after the notice is given unless a hearing is requested before the expiration date of 10 days by a person holding a fee interest in the property. So I will work on coordinating with one of the other two uh authorized individuals to do an inspection. If upon that inspection we determine, then we'll the town will send a letter and she has the right to within 10 days request a uh a review and that would happen probably at next month's meeting.

My one concern about your request or your your concerns is I'm not so sure cleaning up that's going to help the root system and I don't really know what we could do about the root system being underground. I'm not so sure that there's anything we can do about that. It's addressed. I mean, as far as just any damage, you know, it's Yeah. mean it's all the trees are all just brush. It's not like they were planted, right?

I think the town can enforce cleaning the property up. If the property is causing damage to your property, that's probably something between you and the homeowner that you can address. But we can within the ordinance, we can address clean the property up and and fix any problems. There is one other ordinance which I think obviously applies here as well. Um ordinance two 2003-5 an ordinance requiring removal of weeds and rank vegetation. Um I think clearly. Yeah.

So we'll we'll also send a uh the clerk can you also send a letter in reference to that. So basically they got to clean up the open dump, clean up the weeds and then I'll look at the other. Does that work for you? All right. Thank you. All right. Uh, next agenda request is from Karen Simon Karen.

Karen Simon and I'm here as the power of attorney and trustee uh for my parents. He's been a uh he owns five properties in St. Paul, but I'm here regarding his personal property that he resided at for 61 years. still owns it for 63. It is uh currently on the market, but the sidewalks are way past their life. Um look very poor. And so I'm here to gain knowledge and and make an educated decision on if there are monies or grants or something available uh to either replace sidewalks. we're deciding as to, you know, what action to take or if we just remove those and bring dirt in and see um so I want to educate myself and then we can make a decision as a family how to move forward. I will say as owning those properties and we take pride in what we we own that as the um landlord or property manager now of uh those properties. I know I personally have been investing uh several thousand dollars this year just to upgrade and do that because we do want to be good community members. Yep.

Keep our tenants uh in compliance and yards mode and um you know give new life to the homes. And so I'm sorry that you're going through that. I know what you're going through cuz I have personally mode and my mom goes down when I lived there 5 years ago. So I know and um you know it it is important and and anybody that's lived by someone and that doesn't take pride in their home Yeah. understands. Yeah. Anyway, so the town does have a sidewalk program that we adopted in 2024. Sorry. Yeah, you haven't.

Okay. Um, so we've we set aside $5,000 from our motor vehicle highway fund um for the pro the program. So, have you seen this that program by chance? I have not. Okay. So, I'll just quickly review it. So, the town will pay for sidewalk only on a resident's property.

The concrete, sorry. Will only pay for the material. Um, will not pay for any other structural concrete such as such as an entry walk or steps um or walk outside of the rightway rightway. So, strictly the sidewalk will pay for the concrete. Um, we do require that the concrete's 4 inches in depth with a 4 inch base of number 53 stone and 5 foot wide or match the previous width if less than five. Um, have a tension break every four to five feet. A broom finish and concrete must have fiber in the mix. Um, to participate in the sidewalk, the resident must submit a request to the council um whether in person or letter. Um, if we approve the work, we'll assign a purchase order to the project and the resident uh can work with the council member. Concrete will be build to the town after the sidewalk is complete, so be reimbursed.

Yeah. So, is it possible to have that printed off that those guidelines printed off and receive a copy? It's is it not is it not on the website? And this one, it may be on our front site. Thank you. So, basically, we'll pay for the concrete, you pay for the labor. Okay. Um, with our approval, to a certain amount because we only have 5,000 in that. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I think we've had one person this year ask for reimbursement. Or was that last year? I think we've had one this year.

Yeah. Nobody really uses it too much. So those funds are probably still in there. I did it a few years ago in front of our house and utilize the program then. So yeah,

and just just as a side note, we don't know where this is going, so we can't take this as, you know, gospel. Um we are currently in the middle of a comprehensive plan. Um, one thing that they've asked us our interests, um, we told them that our our walkways, our sidewalks, um, obviously our sewer. So, I mean, there may be some stuff coming down the pipeline later on with our sidewalk work, but we haven't really got there yet, but we we are aware of some sidewalk issues here. So I I don't

we are making a we may make a decision to go on another path because honestly there aren't sidewalks on the other properties on our side of the street either way. And so it we may take another path just to remove them. And you know I think the probably request that they not be removed that we don't remove sidewalks. I don't know. They're more of a hazard than they are. And uh cosmetically, yeah, I I would think from a town's perspective that it' be that we would prefer that sidewalks be replaced and not be removed. I'm sure. Yeah. So,

it's going to be cost a lot more than $5,000 to do it. Yeah. I think that's kind of why we the town offers to pay for the concrete to help offset that cost so that we're not just removing all the town sidewalks. If we if we go down that path where the town approves the removal of sidewalks, you know, there could be if we do it in your instance, there could be a case where there is a long run of sidewalk and someone suddenly decides, I want to park my car here. I'm just going to remove the sidewalk. In that case, it would cause a long-term issue. So, that work.

All right. Thank you so much. And if if you want to come back next month, if you decide you want to go that, just let us know and we can set that all up for you. All right. Uh we have one more general request from Elizabeth Parnell. I couldn't seem to get a decent picture, but I wrote something. I wrote it down, so don't leave anything out. Okay. Okay. First of all, the street angles just a little slightly bit. There's a tree there. Can you tell us where you live? I'm sorry. Uh the oldest house in town, 405e street. Oh, on the dead end. Yeah. Okay. But people don't see that dead end sign and then they don't see it till they get down there

and then a lot of times the neighbors across the street of the they have the sidewalk and the property there before and if they park a vehicle there like a pickup truck, you don't see that that end sign at all. So I don't know whether that could be moved forward to like the corner of East and uh and Lane Street. Okay. on that telephone pole there. So what what sign is it? I'm sorry. A dead end sign. And the problem is there's an existing dead end sign there. Is that correct? Yeah, but you really don't can't see it till you get on top of it. So you're just asking for it to be relocated and placed on an existing telephone pole. Is that what you're asking? Well, yeah.

Uh the problem we're having with it is that I got four witnesses. the the people come down there and they back up in the driveway way back in, you know, like car width and, you know, a car length and a half or a car length and they knock the the lid off the water thing. They even seen the big dump truck that pick up up the big heavy dump truck that picks up the uh garbage and they make you turn in the driveway, too. So, I So, the only way for me and then that lid doesn't have the threads in there to lock it on there. So, and I got tired of putting it on there 365 days a year. So, it's always off unless I park my car on top of it. Okay.

So, I don't know whether it could be moved to the street or is the dead end sign on a tree? It looks like Yeah, it's like right underneath the tree. I just looked it up on Google Maps. Be creative. Is it on a tree? Yeah, see it right here. Yeah, the trees growing in the sign or out or I don't know how to put it. Almost looks like a pole. It kind of looks like a pole. Like a telephone pole. [Music] Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking. Just we have some driveways coming. Yeah, you can zoom around in there.

Yeah, I don't see an issue with doing that. I think the only thing is is us putting a street sign in somebody's because I think she's asking for it to be moved from here up to here see it just angles a little tiny bit but you can't see big tree sticking up till you get on top of it. It's on a telephone pole right now. Yeah, but you can't see it. Yeah. In the middle of trees. Yeah. I thought it was a tree. Yeah. Signs in a tree. Saw a pole. Put the pole on the tree or

It's currently on a telephone pole. Yeah. With a tree hanging over it. We maybe could look into relocating it onto that pole. Your guys' thoughts? Oh, yeah. That's up at the intersection. Yeah. That way we're not putting another sign in somebody's yard. Mhm. And that's fine with me. I just It's It's on a poll now or I know. So, if they haven't said anything to date, I think we're probably going to be okay. Mhm. We can look at We can look into relocating it. We We'll take a look at it and see about that. Um the water meter

the water meter pit. So, I don't think we I don't think we can relocate the water meter without extensive cost. Can we get a lid that has the actual screws on it? Actually, the It's sort of I don't know. It's supposed to be level, I thought. But it's sort of angle and they put a different little thing on there uh because it was way down in the ground.

It's crooked. It's like leaning over like this. And then the lid's always off. So I par my car on top of it. So, and I don't think it has any threads in there. As you go down that road, do you live to the left? Yeah, to the left. Right past the dead end. And the driveway around the It curves to the left and the driveway goes around the house.

That's it. There it is. Ask her if that's it. Is that it? Yeah. Um, no, that's the neighbor's house. Is it over by the dead end sign in the in the grass? Um, you can tell us which where's that? Oh, that's the driveway. So, we can't see. You can't see it because the trees are in the way. But then the water meter's underneath the the car. Okay. So, I don't think I don't think we we can't relocate the water meter pit. You can put it on. We can we can maybe look and see if we can get a lid that

Well, about it. It's probably not a good idea to park on it because there's a special face of lid for hight traffic areas that are heavier. So, the one probably in the yard is probably not made to be driven over. Yeah. The dump truck that come pick up the trash and then they turn around in the driveway and knock the lid off. Have you said anything to them about turning around your driveway? They come when I'm at work, but my neighbors told me what's wrong. They keep knocking the lid off. Why don't you contact everybody keeps making a U-turn in there backing up because they don't see the dead end so they backed up and then come forward. So maybe if you could contact the whoever is doing the the company that's doing the trash, I'm sure if you call into their office

and ask that they don't turn around in your driveway because they're causing you an issue. I'm sure that they would accommodate and they maybe just have to back up that road. How do we put a stronger heavier riser on there? Well, we would have to order it. I mean, we could do that, but that locks on there, but actually it's made for a dump or a trash truck to be Yeah. I don't think any really made for that. Not any of them. I just sort of straddle with the four tires of the car. So, because otherwise I always have to put the lid on. I see. You just straddle the meter pit. Yeah. Yeah. As long as you're not parking, you know, your car with the wheels, you know. But her concern is when her car is not there, somebody's running it over.

I le if you can take a look at it and see what our options are there. Check it out. Thank you. All right. And then if you could if you could also contact the trash company and just ask them not to turn around. That's even the driveway. Yeah. Probably save some your headache. Yeah. Okay. And then there was another thing. Um, I wrote it all down so I didn't leave anything out. Years ago, we allowed the utility company to run the power lines at the side of the property. So, they did not have to run the power lines three miles further through St. Omar to get to the to the houses that are uh on the opposite side of Mil Creek. Okay.

So, now they act like I picked up two 60-year-old trees and moved them closer to the wires. What they did was they skipped a wire on the utility poles. So they're running three I couldn't get a decent picture. They're running three wires on this side here and they go to a telephone pole here and then telephone they skip a telephone pole here and then they go to another telephone pole there and then they act like it's my fault and then they butcher the trees. first time they came out there and they the trees growing like like here and here's the street over here and here's the house. So they came out there, they cut all the branches out that were by the house. Um

and then uh and then uh uh so they skipped that utility pole and uh and I don't think that I think they're supposed to go telephone pole to telephone pole to telephone pole to telephone pole. And I incidentally it's not up to standard with the utility regulating commission for some reason. I don't know why I didn't want to do that, but uh uh I did it having to get like 100% in industrial electrical one and industrial electrical 2 and uh a lot less hydraulics.

So, I don't know that the town has authorization to tell the power company. I'm assuming they probably established some sort of rideway if they've got power lines running through there. So, if there's if you have a complaint with how they've done that, unfortunately, you'll probably have to take it up directly with them. I don't know. I tried that, but maybe I need to try in the turning. Yeah, maybe we could take reig on giving them permission to run the power lines through there. They just take the poles out there and run them three miles further down down this street, then over that street, then over towards Yeah, may maybe it's maybe it's an option. Maybe they'll work with you. So, yeah, you might have to go that route. Unfortunately, I don't think the town can step in.

The utility company isn't going to help out. So, we need to get an attorney. Yeah. You know, you know, it's sort of like you help them out, then they want to crap on you. Excuse me. Excuse my language, but yep. Unfortunately, so maybe they just need to get those taken out of there. And it's strange that they skip the telephone pole. So, you're saying that it should kind of do this, but instead they just kind of cut straight through something. They put put their three lines on the opposite side of the street on the left side of the street. What they should do is hook if they wait for this telephone pole which is on the corner over to the one that's on the right side of the street then it be the telephone pools would be like I don't know maybe 20 ft from the house instead they're like eight or nt instead has it

how long has it been like that? I don't know a while. Yeah quite a while. Try to kill our trees. Hopefully they'll respond to you and maybe if they don't respond to you, maybe if you get an attorney involved, not giving legal advice. But yeah, I'm going to get an attorney because I've already had them out and talk to them. They're like, "Well, we can do it that way." I'm like, "Really?" Okay. So maybe I just need to reig on that permission. Quit being helpful. They have an easement from you. No, there's no easement at the courthouse that I know about. So, did you own the property prior to them putting the poles on?

Well, my parents have had the house since it's been in the same family for like since I don't know 197. Then it's had one previous owner from 1820. 1920. Yeah. The federal a Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe we need to uh have get the rid of those utility walls. They're causing a headache. Well, good luck. If we can be of any more assistance, let us know. Plus, they were kind of funny though. They got decided to go down there when it was raining, worked on the utility poles, got that big half million dollar truck stuck down there.

And they brushed the tree on the neighbor's side over there so we can answer their door to help them out. So, all right. Well, let us know if we can do anything else for you. Okay. But you can take care of the water and the We'll take Yep. We'll take a look at both of those. And the stock site. Yep. Well, two out of three is better than nine. Y we we do whatever we can. I appreciate it. Y do.

All right. Um I have a also BSM contacted me. I know I'm just going to bring it up to the board. I know we have taken the approach the past couple months that we're not requiring permits for them to do their work on Comcast, but they did reach out again on to do a 4-in bore 38t in length under 208 West Washington Street. Um they had sent it to me. The permit request showed something in a depth of like 48 in. I know the last time we had some issues or concerns with that about it being too deep and especially if we have a future water sewer project. So I just responded and asked them um if they could resubmit at a maximum depth I think it's 30 in and so they resubmitted that. So it's basically right behind the Bruner Event Center on Washington Street going across the alley to the uh towards the railroad tracks. So down here.

Yeah, just right down here. Like the alley. Yep. It It looks as if it lines up with the alley directly right beside that house. Right where the tower used to be. Sorry. Right where the tower used to be. That same alley. Yeah. On the opposite side of the alley like on this street. Yep. They're going from the railroad track just under the road to the alley on the other side of the road. So they're just trying to bore under Washington Street. South. We can measure we can measure the valve boxes and get some kind of depth. Yeah. How deep they are. Okay. So, we we'll let them we'll let them proceed.

I I'll tell them they're good to proceed and then um I'll just respond that before they before they do to reach out to you. Yeah. And that way you can verify depths. Yeah, we can verify that. Okay. I just down in the boxes.

All right. Um so we have old business and then we'll open up for public comment. Um only thing under old business um we had an ordinance that we read last in June. Um the first reading so we have to do a second reading to adopt it tonight. So I'm going to do a lot of reading here. So pardon me. All right. Um, so ordinance regarding noise control for the town of St. Paul, Indiana. Whereas Indiana code 36-1-3 confers upon units of government within the state of Indiana such powers as necessary or desirable to conduct the affairs of local government. Whereas Indiana code 36-4-6-18 authorizes the town council of the town of St. Paul, Indiana to pass such ordinances, orders, resolutions, and motions as may be necessary and proper for the governmental unit to fulfill and satisfy the responsibilities and duties of said governmental unit. Whereas excessive and unreasonable noise disrupts the quiet enjoyment of property, can negatively impact physical and mental health, may interfere with the peaceful and orderly operation of the community. Whereas the town council finds that persistent or unregulated noise constitutes a public nuisance and may lead to conflict between residents, businesses, and visitors to the town. Whereas the town council of the town of St. Paul Indiana believes it is in the best interest of the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of the town of St. Paul Indiana to establish an ordinance regarding noise control. Now, therefore, be it ordained by the council of the town of St. upon Indiana the following authority and purpose. This ordinance is adopted pursuant to the powers granted under Indiana code 36-8-2-4 and other applicable law to promote public health, safety and welfare. The purpose of this ordinance is to prohibit unreasonable noise that may jeopardize the quiet enjoyment, health, and safety of the community. Definitions for the purpose of this section this section, the following definition shall apply unless context clearly indicates or requires a different meaning. A animal, any live, non-human, vertebate, creature, domestic, wild, or exotic. B. Motor vehicle. Any vehicle powered by a mechanical engine designed to be driven or used on public or private property. Such definition shall include but not be limited to automobiles, vans, trucks, motorcycles, motor scooters, dune

buggies, snowmobiles, off-road vehicles, ATVs, go-karts, and golf carts. C. Person, any individual, association, partnership, LLC, or corporation, which includes any officer, employee, department, agency, or instrumentality. D. Plainly audible. any sound that can be detected by a person using their unaded hearing faculties. E. Public nuisance. A condition that annoys, injures, or endangers the comfort, repose, health, or safety of the public. F. Unreasonable noise. Any noise that is plainly audible at a distance of 75 ft or more and disturbs or endangers the comfort, repose, health, peace, or safety of others. Section one, allow unnecessary noise prohibited. Section 8 shall be a violation of this article for a person to make or assist in making any noise tending to unreasonably disturb the peace and quiet of persons in the vicinity thereof unless the making and continuing of the same cannot be prevented and is necessary for the protection or preservation of the property or of the health, safety, life or limb of some person. Subsection B. Further, it shall be the duty of every owner, occupant, manager, agent, or operators of any property, animal structure, vehicle, or business in the town to prevent persons using property under their control from violating his article. Section two, enumeration of certain prohibited acts. The following acts, uses or noise among others subject to the specific exemptions are declared to be primmaaccia. Right.

Yes. Primmaacia means um assumption like if you can't make an actual judgment when I say you're 15 feet from me then then we all assume that he's 15t from me if we don't have a way to actually measure that.

So subject to specific exemptions are declared to be primmaaccia evidence of a violation of this article. Such enumeration shall not be deemed to be all inclusive. Subsection A. Any person who owns or has within its control an animal and permit said animal to unreasonably bark, howl, cry or emit any noise which is considered to be in excess and is disturbing the peace, quiet, comfort of the neighboring inhabitants. Subsection B. No person shall play, use or operate or permit to be played, used or operated any machine or device for the producing or producing producing or reproducing of sound if it is located in or on any of the following. Any public property including any rideway, highway, building, sidewalk, park or thoroughfare. If the sound generator is playing the audible at a distance of 75 ft from its source or any motor vehicle on the public rideway, highway or public space if the sound generator is playing the audible at a distance of 75 ft from the device producing the sound. See, quiet time should will be observed from 10 p.m. until 7:00 a.m. week nights and from midnight 12:00 a.m. until 7:00 a.m. on weekend Friday and Saturday nights. Section three, prohibited vehicle noise. The following acts are declared to be a public nuisance, but the enumeration of the particular offenses herein after particularly defined shall not be constructed as limiting to the generality of this article or limiting the offense here to the particular offense here and after enumerated. Subsection A, the continuous or repeated sounding of any horn or sign or signal device of a motor vehicle when not used as a danger signal. Continuous shall be defined as to include unnecessary periods of time. Subsection B, the use or operation of any radio, tape player, disc player, or any other electronic sound reproduction device within a motor vehicle being operated or parked on any public street or place accessible to the public in such manner as to disturb the peace and repose of persons in their home, business, or on the streets or in any time with louder volume than is necessary for convenient hearing of the person or persons who are voluntarily listeners within the vehicle. the operation of such radio or electronic sound reproduction device with a with a vehicle in such a manner as to be

audible to those outside the vehicle at a distance of 75 ft or more from the source as best that point can be estimated without the use of a distance measuring device regardless of the time of day shall be premopacial evidence of a violation of this section said 75 ft 75 ft may be measured horizontally or vertically the use of any motor vehicle with or without the attachments of various apprentices there unto so to create unreasonable grading, grinding, rattling or other noise or noises. This shall include the use of any vehicle said use of which cause unreasonably excess excessive noise as a result of a defective or modified exhaust system, a result of a unnecessary rapid acceleration, deceleration, Jake braking, revving of the engine, or tire swell. Four, exemptions. The following shall be exempt from this article. Emergency vehicles operating in the course of their official duties. Lawnmowers, tractors, similar home power tools when properly muffled using during the daylight hours. Alarms or any other emergency warning device. The emission of sound for the purpose of alert alerting persons to the existence of emergency or in the performance of work to prevent or alleviate physical or property damage threatened or caused by public calamity or other emergency. Municipal vehicles and equipment used by the town of St. Paul's employee employees while providing municipal services. Third party contractors or vendors performing the work on behalf of the town pursuant to a contract or other written written agreement. Public utility companies performing emergency work or scheduled maintenance that is necessary to restore and maintain essential services and activities otherwise permitted or authorized by county under a valid permit license or ordinance exemption. Section five, prior approval. Town council shall have sole discretion to issue prior written approval for any event that may generate noise exceeding the limits in this ordinance. Applicants must submit a written request at least 30 days in advance. The council may impose reasonable conditions on the approval. Any denial or revocation of a permit may be appealed in writing within 5 days to the town council for reconsideration. Section six, penalty. Any person violating this ordinance

shall be subject to a civil penalty of $100 per violation. Each day a violation continues shall constitute a separate offense. The town may also recover its reasonably recover its reasonable attorney fees and costs incurred in enforcement including the cost of of collection of unpaid fines. Seven severability any provision here contained which is found by a court of competent jurisdiction to be deemed to be unlawful or which by operation of law shall be in inapplicable shall be deemed omitted. But the rest and remainder of this ordinance to the extent feasible shall remain in full force in effect. Section 8 enforcement authority. The town marshall or any law enforcement authorizer authorized by the town is authorized to issue citations or take enforcement actions necessary to carry out provisions of this ordinance. All complaints must be documented in writing and officers may rely on citizen complaints as part of their investigation. Section 9, administrative remedies. In addition to any fine or criminal penalty, the town may seek injunctive relief or any other legal remedy to abate violations of this ordinance as provided by Indiana law. This ordinance shall be in full in effect after passes by the town of council of St. Paul. All right, I will open up the council. Any questions or comments?

For me. All right, I will open up to the public for public comment on the ordinance. Yeah. You said in the recording that you could not use your hearing aid to hear this person or this noise if you had to use your you had to take your hearing aid off. Okay. I take this off these off. I think you may have misheard there's nothing you may have misheard that there's nothing in the ordinance that that addresses the use of hearing aids. Okay. Sorry. I was reading extremely fast. So I will give you that. Yeah. Yep. No problem.

Okay. Any other public comment? All right. I'll close it to public comment. I'll reopen it back up to the council for comment. All right. Um, would someone like to make a motion to pass an ordinance regarding noise control? I will make a motion to pass our noise control ordinance. I will second that. All right. I'll take a vote. All in favor? I I All right. Being that this is the second reading, we have adopted the ordinance. I do have a comment. Too late.

Not nothing to do with it is something to do with the ordinance, but starting next month, if you guys are okay with it, I would love you guys probably seen my to get everybody's report the Monday before like eight days before the board meeting. I'll put the agenda together seven days before. So, I'll reach out to the different departments too and let them know I have all the reports. I'll put it on our website for the public to see and then we're not required by law to read those subject. I'm in favor after having read four pages of an ordinance. They can get online and read them y prior to any meeting if they want to know what we're going to be talking about. If that's okay with you guys, I'll start that. I didn't I know I discussed it with you, but I was gone a lot in the summer here.

So, how do we do that at that point? Do we say, "Okay, did everybody see the ordinance?" Because we still have to give public comment, right? She said, "All you're required to read is the basically like the the subject and then they have someone can interrupt and say, I'll make a motion to pass." So, so you guys just need to make sure that you have both all read. Mostly it's you guys. But if the public wants to comment, they need to go online prior to each board meeting and look what we're going to be discussing. Yeah. And they'll know also if they want to come and attend if it's something that they want to be involved in or not.

I should have that up and running by next. Okay. All right. I will open up for public comment. All kind of in regards to what Josh was talking about, what does the timeline look like when there is an ordinance violation? Personal experience, it's been two months and there's still going Did the cleaning cup did the So John um got a hold he's been working with WM. He didn't spray all the He sprayed the whole alley line and then he was supposed to

spray the alley W Coons. It's our landscape or our mowing contractor was with him to the town. I noticed it was all dead and I didn't have any clue what happened. So, yeah. Our goal was to be able to utilize the alley, right? To get that cleaned up. And he was supposed to come back and clean it up. He hasn't yet. So, I don't know if that's this thing was you can't get out of all the poison ivy. gonna let it die down there. Yeah. And I'll give a date before. But as far as him cleaning up um I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't So I can't really

It's probably not something he wants to do. He's like, "What do I get myself into?" Maybe that's why he has came back. What? Him cleaning that. So, it's not the responsibility of the owner of the property. Well, I think we issued a letter. They chose not to do it. And so, then basically our option is for us to do it or hire it to be done and then they'll charge back to charge back. Yeah. So, they they've been issued a letter. Correct. So, there are companies that actually charge to do that.

Yeah. a hazard. We might we might need to consider the hazard people. Um, I'll try to I'll try to find something probably like the we'll work on getting that bats and probably the health office would know and they're going to be the Christian churches had to clean out bat stuff from their I don't know what's involved in different kinds of

I do know the Menanites or the the Amish, they have a hazmat group that comes out for certain things, too. So, that might be something we could reach out to. What's the volume of it? Like, how much are we talking? A wheelbarrow. We saw a picture, but it's hard to say what the scale of a wheel has been added to since I talked to a gentleman at the health department. His name is Sean Duran. Um, since he I I believe that they spoke and since they spoke it has not been added to. That's good. Is it something that the tractor could just go scoop up? And

so the health department literally told her to put it in a trash bag and put it in a resumpster. Yeah. So like chicken. It's fret. Yeah. So it's probably not good fertilizer. I maybe see if Russell can drive down there with a tractor and put something that can just easily be scooped up and make it disappear. Okay. He'll love that. In the alley, I think. Yes. Like in the alley somewhere where they spray

against the fence line. Okay. next to the big tree. [Music] And then and I know one of the cars got tagged and removed, but the other one I don't know what was. I don't know why it didn't get tagged or Is there another car?

Um, it's it's pretty buried in the weeds now, but as soon as it gets, you know, cool and the weeds die back and stuff, I'm going to be able to see it again. Okay. Josh acknowledged both of the cars when I brought up the complaint. I'm not sure if there was a reason. I we'll see if maybe we can talk to Josh about it and see what the if there was a reason. I don't have an answer. Joey, can you ask Josh on that? Thank you. All right. Any public comment? Someone like my Oh,

just just a just a thought. I know we're talking about reports trying to get reports to to the ladies. the week prior week ahead. Yeah. What What are your thoughts about pushing the meeting a week out so that we can all still get our reports in on the first and that week? Might be a good idea. Meetings on the second Tuesday instead of the first Tuesday. I'm not opposed to it. So, we're talking move the meeting to second Tuesday of the month. That makes sense.

And all our reports are due by the first reports by the first Tuesday meetings. That still gives them seven days to get everything uploaded. That's probably a really good idea. I think our attorney actually has a conflict the first Tuesday. We've not needed him here, but if we ever do need him here, I think he has a conflict the first Tuesday. Yeah. something to think about. Yeah, thank you. Give us a thumb. That's something we'll have to make easier for everybody. Yeah. So, get a month a whole month done and then Yeah.

Do we want to do that for next month? Next month is the day after Labor Day. I don't know if anyone has vacation plans over Labor Day. Do we have a notice to do? Next month I will not be actually next month. I will not be here the second Tuesday. So, maybe we keep it to Yeah. I I think we should probably do a public notice first. Yeah. So, next month we would be Tuesday, September 2nd would be the first Tuesday. Yeah. And then you're not here the 9th is what you're saying. Yeah. I think I leave the 6th. We can change the signs and stuff like put it in. That's all you have to do is just advertise. Put it on the put on the website.

We want to pick a date and just start October. So October we the first Tuesday would be the 7th. So the second Tuesday would be the 14th and we start in November on the second Tuesday in October. Goodness.

So then in December November let's see in November first Tuesday would be the 4th the second Tuesday would be the 11th which is Veterans Day. [Music] I don't know, maybe we need to stick with the first Tuesday of the month, but just schedule the reports as, you know, the 25th through the whatever of a month. Yeah, the reports are up through like the 25th or whatever.

Yeah. That that probably makes more sense. It's been the first I do love the idea though. Well, until we're having a I guess maybe let's just see how it goes and if it becomes an issue with getting reports, then we can discuss moving it. Okay, we all good with that? I I have a couple things. I don't think we've ever came back to or discussed the gym purchase. Where are we at on that? I think we own it. Mhm. So, that says finalized. I I'd never heard any of that. Yep.

Um the speed sign coming into town needs all new batteries. We need four new battery. It takes four. It takes four batteries. Um, it was sort of working when I when I put it back up. I charged two batteries. They didn't seem to want to charge. And then the other two sustained it for a couple weeks where it actually came on. Now it don't come on at all except every once in a while get a flash. So I think a good place to start is we the town needs to buy four batteries, sell batteries for that. Um, what kind of battery are

they? They're 12vt, but they're like solar batteries. They actually have them at Harbor Freight. I don't know how well they are, but I think they're the same size battery they sell at Harbor Freight. I just It's been It's been a year sitting up there now. Not running. We either take it down or or get it going. I'm happy to keep it running. I say cuz people keep knocking it over. If we're not going to use it, then take that hazard out of the way. What's the best way to buy those whip down credit card? Yeah. Or you can buy somebody. So um yeah or if you can give us Amazon.

Okay. I believe tax down there. Okay. So that's the best way to do it because if not like you out and buy $20 worth of batteries and it's 22. I can't give you $22 in tax. I have to do that. Right. I can't I can't reimburse you tax. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, that's kind of how it is everywhere. All right, that's all I have. Okay, someone can make a motion to adjourn. Sorry. Go ahead. Yep. Uh that number for Comcast, the guy who did the boring.

I need a good number where they leave a hole out to get a hold of somebody to get it covered up. We've had one that was open for about a month or next side. I filled it in yesterday, but I don't know who to get a hold of to get these excavators if they leave home is I mean Trey is kind of our project manager main guy, right?

So I messaged Trey back in July. So I I messaged Trey and said, "I know I had already mentioned this on the phone, but the town has some concern with how the road cuts are being filled. I've noticed several that are caving in to not be properly compacted and the actual road patch being extremely thin. Water is going to get in cause an eventual sinkhole with major impacts in those areas. I don't want you all to leave town and then we're left with a mess down the road. How can you address the issue?" Trey responded, "I'll give you guys Donniey's phone number. He's above me. I'm no longer in management. I'm back in the field." So, um, I messaged Donnie and I can give you Donniey's number. I sent him the same same message and he said, "Before we leave town, we'll remove that asphalt and place hot patch up to six inches thick in each one. I promise we will do it right before we're done." So,

um, if you can I can give you Donny's number. I'll I'll just wait till after the meeting so I'm not publicizing to the world. All right. Perfect. Motion to adjurnn. I'll make motion to adjurnn meeting. Second it. All in favor?