Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Let us begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic that it represents, one nation under God, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all. Ladies and gentlemen, may I have the name of the member?

Chair, Philip Landry. Yes, ma'am. Chair, Russell Alexander. No, ma'am. Members, Megan Marshall. Yes, ma'am. Members, Dawn Gibson. No, ma'am. Members, Ruby Brittenford. No, ma'am. Members, Theresa Riley Old-Doherty. Yes, ma'am. Members, Amit Patel.

Yes, ma'am. Mr. Chairman, we have reached the quorum and all tonight's members are members who have the right to speak. The first action is Resolution No. 2026.09.27R. This is a use case. Condition No. CNU 26002. Good evening, members of the Commission. Nice to meet you again. Thank you for taking the time from your schedule to be here today. My name is Sean Raja. I am a senior planner in the Department of Community Development, and tonight I am here to present the case of DRC No. CNU2, No. CNU2, No. CNU2. Define Guidance, which is accompanied by Resolution No. 2026.197R for conditional use. The location, as seen on the map, is located on Delaware Avenue and 13th Street. The use of land in the future today for this site is commercial with the placement of the HB zone for public road business. I request to operate from the office in the building structure that already has a location. Services that they require are included in the service category that is allowed on condition in the placement of the HB zone based on Article 6 of the Land Development Code. In addition, there is no structural change in the location that is required at this time. On the screen is a graphic description of the current commercial use of land. And here we have a graphic description of the business zone of Jalan Raya at the moment. The staff has approved the requirement of use and recommended the resolution of Resolution No. 2026, SOM 97-R, with the following conditions stated. Condition No. 1. Conditional use agreement that is requested does not comply with the agreement on change or improvement in any location. Change in the location will require the approval of the location development plan and the approval of any additional plan that is required by the Land Development Board. Second, this agreement is for clarifying services, defined guidance, and only applies as long as the initial user certificate is still active. If the user certificate is exported or the business is replaced by ownership, the new operator must apply for the permission of the conditional user to continue operating. For the purpose of the use of the CNU 26002 conditional, the staff asked the Planning Commission to recommend an agreement with the determination as stated by the staff for the Resolution 26007-ERA. Thank you for your time and consideration. Any questions for the staff? My question is only whether they plan to use all the properties, whether they

From the current situation, what is there now?

Oh, right now there is a retail office building in that location with several rental units in it. I think regarding what the request is, they will be more able to answer the question. Are the requesters present? If you go to the podium, please.

To answer your question, no, I will only use one office space, around maybe 200 or 150 square feet on the top floor, like on the top floor, only the corner office, which is part of the building.

And does it require any conditions?

What is it? Does it have a lift? What is it?

Only, only, only, no. But I want to explain that my business is 80% telephone business. So I mostly just make calls and Zoom. Do you understand? The main reason I use buildings is only for advertising and only to have a place where I can work. But that's mostly telephone business. Mostly. Through Zoom and telephone. I met a few clients there, but more than that. I'm not used to this kind of business, but I am. Any other questions? Thank you. Thank you. Right now, we will open public comment.

Is there anyone here who wants to speak about this resolution?

We will close public comment. Any other questions for city staff or volunteers?

Okay, if no one wants to make a motion.

I will submit a motion to continue the use under the condition of providing a car wash and service in the public road business zone.

Does that include the conditions proposed by the staff? Yes, that's right. Okay, so we have a motion to approve Resolution No. 2026.097 R with the conditions as stated by the City. I'm sorry, only to clarify that it is based on the six criteria that you considered in submitting the motion.

Maaf seharusnya saya, saya akan menyatakan semuanya.

Hanya menegaskan kembali hal itu. Anda tidak memegang catatan bantuan Anda.

Tidak apa-apa.

Jadi kita punya mesin. Apakah ada yang mendukung? Lain lagi, kita punya pendukung. Semua yang setuju. Untuk merekomendasikan persetujuan, katakan setuju. Setuju. Ada yang keberatan? Baiklah, mesin disetujui dengan suara. Next is Regulation No. 2026.3.15. This is the Petazona Amendment, Case No. ZMA-260005. The DRC case in front of you is ZMA-26-09005 for the case known as MG-3 Old Kanu LLC, Regulation Area No. 2026-305. At this time, the land has commercial future land use, but the existing zone is a multi-family R3 property. Please ensure that it becomes an environmental business. This development is compatible The surrounding area will not have a negative impact on the city facilities and will cover a total of 5.1 hectares. The following are the graphic representations of the front-facing land users for this map, as well as the graphic representations from its zoning. On or before July 30, the Staff will recommend the approval of Regulation No. 2026.35. Likewise, it is recommended that the Planning Commission also recommend the approval. Are you available for any questions? Could you clarify to the Commission what is included in the environmental business and what is allowed to be built there? That is a relatively new indication. You usually don't see much in the whole city. So the environmental business district, Minimum development rules will prohibit it to serve large retail. So we won't get Walmart anymore. That's more centered on the bread shop bank, I think the community center is also a permissible use. So there are more small businesses that can help the surrounding environment.

So this is usually like an environmental commercial. Where do you have small business owners such as nail salons, hair salons, business types like that?

In understanding that. They are the same. So this will not serve our target. As you may remember, the land in the south used to be a fuel station. That's right. That helps support the community. So this will be a much smaller business and centered on something that will bring a lot of traffic and things like that.

Are there any minimum requirements for commercialization of the environment?

Who knows? Allow me to refer to my area, Wakil. My director.

Good evening. Tisha Maning, Deputy Director of Community Development. So, the minimum land area for environmental business is 11.50 square feet. And this is 5 acres.

My memory is that this is an environmental business, not commercial. Environmental business is a commercial zoning district. Okay, so only commercial is allowed there.

Yes, and to go back to some of the uses that are allowed in environmental business, such as antique shop, art and photography studio, bread shop, bank, hair salon, so things that are more aimed at creating a direct community. I like to call it light commercial. This is one of our less intense commercial uses. Usually, because I focus on the commercial field, usually environmental commercial is a type of household business, you know, as I suggested, salon kuku, salon rambut, that kind of small business. There are many non-adulterated corrections, this is an environmental business because we also have an environmental commercial zoning indication, so I want to make sure that this is an environmental business. What is the difference between the two if so? So, commercial environment is a new zone that we have created that will be directed to Florida Avenue in Lakeshore. But what is the difference between the definition of environmental business and commercial environment? So some of the differences, we are still trying to make categories actually for the commercial environment, but some of the differences are the type of commercial use that will be allowed for Florida Avenue in Lakeshore compared to what may be allowed in something that has several arteries. So we are looking for some uses that are even less intense in that type of area. So for Evaluating environmental business. We need to know the type of business, what we are actually talking about. That's right, that's what I said. So, some of the right uses right now for the environmental business are, and I can read all of them, the conditionals for the facilities. Adults together, the placement of adults, conditionals, antique goods shops are allowed, art studios, and photography are allowed, bread shops are allowed, banks, a hair salon and a beauty salon, a bookstore, and a newspaper kiosk are allowed. Catering only. Conditional, not a restaurant. Children's center facilities, children's centers are also conditional. Um, the city government office is allowed. Community centers are allowed. There is a conditonal fuel pump, there is no gas station. A gas pump, such as 7-Eleven, which is located in the south, is allowed. Conditional dance and music studios. Conditional data processing centers. Gas stations are allowed. Medicines are allowed. State or private schools are allowed. The completion of the agriculture and garden of Bibit Tanaman, Lanskap Park Center as a condominium. Journal. The fire extinguisher station of the police office is allowed. Flower shop and gift shop are allowed. Culinary center is allowed. Special food shop is allowed. Senam and Spak Kesehatan Kondisional are allowed. Hardware are allowed. Hobby and craft stores are allowed. Home health agencies are allowed. PINATU is allowed. Physical therapist is allowed. Medical office is allowed. Business office is allowed. Service of packing, package delivery, and letter are allowed. pet owners and caretakers are allowed. Apothecary is allowed. Worship places are allowed. Retail spa columns without outdoor equipment or storage area are allowed. Post office is allowed. Retail printing and packaging are allowed. Golf course is allowed. Museum is allowed. Park and playground are allowed. Sports field is allowed. And then the construction of a conditional utility. Repair shop, small service, shoes, electronics, equipment, small house, allowed. Oh, the use of a living space, but that's a different type of kebab. You have to meet several standards, but that's also conditional. Oh, restaurant with delivery and bring home, allowed. Complete service restaurant, allowed. The sewing shop is allowed, the tobacco shop is allowed, and the travel agent is allowed. That's good. The only thing that makes me laugh is that the golf course is allowed in a 5-hectare land. I don't think that's possible. But thank you. Thank you, Tissa. You're welcome.

Thank you. At this point, we will open the comments. Is there anyone among the audience who wants to comment or talk about Regulation No. 202635? Okay, now we will close the public comment. Are there any other questions for the city staff? Okay, there is another discussion. Okay, I want to ask someone to make a motion.

Chairman, I would like to request a motion to recommend the approval of Regulation No. 2026-35 based on 16 findings in the development code, land in the development code. Okay, we already have a motion. Is there anyone who supports? Who supports?

Okay, we already have a motion and support. All those who agree to recommend the approval of Regulation No. 2026-35, say yes. Any objections? The motion is accepted by voice. Next is Regulation No. 2026.33.6. And this is the development of the planned unit number of case PU 26.00.00.4.

Good afternoon, Commission. Tisha Maning, Deputy Director of Community Development. And in front of you, I'm sorry. The project in front of you is PUD 26004. This is for the PUD Property Walker amendment. The original PUD was approved in 2024. And that is the regional regulation of 2024-2012. So the PUD amendment is back in front of you so that they can change the route location. So, the future land use is low-income housing. Of course, the zoning is planned unit development, and we ask for an amendment for the location of the multi-purpose route. This is just a graphic of the property and the location. This shows you the future land use as a low-income housing. Graphic design that shows the zoning as PUD, EUD. And this is the multi-purpose route that has been approved. I will try to use this small red dot to show you that at the top, yes, this red dot does not work. However, at the top of the development of this planned unit, you see a broken blue line that leads to Chisholm Park Trail to Narkusi. That's where Serbaguna's route, which was proposed, was agreed. Development has returned, and because of several development obstacles and various other things, they asked to change the location of the route. This slide shows you a new location. You will see it circled in red over there. The new location of the trail will still pass through their development, but alternately through the Chisholm Park Trail to Narkussi now will be in the place that I believe as Avenue A in their development and will be connected to the Serbaguna Trail in Chisholm Park. So the trail will pass through that land to be connected to the Chisholm Park Trail. It is in the Chisholm Park itself and will still be connected to Narkusi. Narkusi will only not be connected along the Chisholm Park Trail. Along the highway, the route will be connected to it.

So, does the city have plans to extend the route through wetlands to that location?

So, with this initiative, the development will mitigate the wetlands to be connected to the actual route that is being built by the city.

And I also see that there is a future connection there. Is there a future road or some kind of connection other than the route there or is that it?

That's just the route.

So the future connection is only ... Because that's the part that makes me confused because it goes into Itisom Park and it says future connection.

Connection in the future, because the city is also developing their part of the multi-purpose route. So the future collection is this developer who wants to pass through the land of the language and be connected to the place where the city route will be.

So, will CISOM Pakprel still be public access?

That's right. So are they and what are they? That's only in Cisum Park Trail, the public access. No, so the Serbaguna route will pass through the development area. Once again, this is on Route A. What do you mean? Yes, I think that's Route A, it's a bit small, I can't see it. Yes, Route A is what will come, so the Serbaguna route is two-way. The route will go down from Albani to Route A. Then Route A, which leads west, will be connected to the connection in Chisholm Park. And then it will lead east, Route A. Back out to Narkusi.

Do you want Pokemon?

No, it's okay.

I just realized.

I know the red dot doesn't work. So, the staff recommended the agreement for Regulation 2026.33 for PUD amendments. The agreements are as mentioned. And so, I will read the agreement for the record. The freeway must be extended from Jalan Narkosi through the development area to Chisholm Park, which is connected to the existing pedestrian network. The outer part of the road that runs through Chisholm Park has to be built as a wooden pavement. The inner part of the road has to be at least 10 feet wide and can be built as a replacement for the sidewalk that is needed on the side of the road that is the same as the road. The road has to be built with the same standard as the one required for the sidewalk. The developer is responsible for building a multi-purpose route before submitting the completion certificate along with all other infrastructure improvements that occur according to the permission agreed upon. If permission and mitigation are not available at the time of the completion certificate, the developer must pay the city for the construction fee on that date. Once again, the city staff recommends agreement with conditions and we ask for the same thing from the Planning Commission. And the city staff is ready to answer any questions. And I have someone who represents the developer here.

Hello, good evening. My name is Brok Altafer. I am from Austin Engineering, 1003 Florida Avenue, St. Cloud, St. Cloud. I represent the petitioners. I want to note that the petitioner does not agree with the agreement on how the conditions for the construction of a wooden road through land for this kind of development are not financially economical. That doesn't make any sense at all at this point. So we are working together with the staff to try to find an alternative language that allows a little more flexibility in the material of road development or the path. It doesn't have to be a wooden road. And we have scheduled a meeting with the staff at the end of this week to try to solve some of these issues before we reach the City Council. However, tonight I respectfully request the recommendation of agreement so that this highway can continue to run. I am happy to answer any questions. Do we have a representative or a representative of the petitioner?

My thought is, why don't we postpone this until they come back with the language they need?

We have worked with staff for almost seven months for this petition and we are really in the most time-consuming situation where we prefer to continue to advance it. I understand the desire to have everything completely completed at this time, but we haven't got there yet. In my opinion, we will arrive there before the meeting of the committee. The members of the authority said that because this is the advisory committee, I know, the applicant has the right to move it to any direction that will be taken by the committee. May I ask, Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question to Mr. Wakilanto? Is the determination that you refer to, which is your concern, can other determinations be accepted by your client?

As stated in, can we go back to the determination?

I don't know how to do it. Only so that the Commission has an understanding about it. Of course. So for condition 1A, the applicant has concerns about the use of wooden fences. Those are the main concerns. For 1B, we have no problem with the reduction to 1B. Can we move on to the next point? For condition number two, we request that its editing be changed to a responsible developer to build a multi-purpose route before the final completion certificate. The route that is initiated in the plan is located in front of several houses that will be built in the community. And if it is built before the house, the route will be damaged when the house is built. So ideally, do not allow pedestrians to pass when the house is being actively built in that area and wait until the house is finished and the new path is built. Then point 3, sir. Just to clarify, requirement 2 is a completion certificate for its own development. Only development, only work, roads and infrastructure.

May I add that the change that was proposed for the second requirement was before the issuance of the layak huni certificate, because once again, they mentioned the houses that would be built there. They want to do it before the layak huni certificate, the completion certificate. As you said, Chairman Landry, the layak huni certificate is for the house.

The last revision is suggested for the third condition. The reduction is that developers agree to pay the city as much as $100,000 at this time and be free of all responsibility as an alternative. If construction routes outside the location cannot be allowed through South Florida, developers will pay $100,000 to the city within 30 days after rejecting the request. So this sets a certain dollar value and sets a date so that everything is more orderly. So, Mr. Chairman, the requirements are still in the process by the applicant and basically the applicant does not agree with the requirements mentioned. So basically, if we make a voice recommendation to recommend the agreement, we will recommend the agreement of the amendment, but without the intended conditions. It depends on the Commission policy. You will make a recommendation to agree or reject with conditions, without conditions, with additional conditions, or lighter conditions. Your recommendation will be conveyed to the Commission when this issue is resolved. When is the next meeting? Do we know when this will return to the Commission? September 10th. So, before the Commission's meeting, So it is possible that you will meet the requirements and how you agreed regarding the editing.

Correct. So we are processing these requirements with the petitioner. We have a meeting with them tomorrow to discuss these requirements. Once again, as the petitioner said, we propose this because we need to complete it so as not to hinder their process and continue to advance this project. So we don't see the possibility that we can't fulfill these requirements with a request. We just need to make a meeting and discuss it. Any other questions before we open the public comment session?

Right now we will open the public comment session. I have a gift from Sandra Jennings here. Do you want to say something? I would like to mention your name and address.

My name is Sandra Jennings, 135 Albany Avenue, St. Claude, Florida. And we are here again to discuss this issue. Now we are changing the P.U. that has been negotiated, which used to have a footpath at Chisholm Park Trail. Right now, from Albany Avenue to Chisholm to Narcosirut, there is no highway. It's basically just a road. That is the main road that leads to the park. The car travels a minimum of 30 to 40 miles per hour. And now you're talking about removing the sidewalks. I've lived on this property for 28 years. I can't count how many times. The school bus is located in the corner of Narkusi Road and Chisholm Park. Two times a day, the children get on and off the bus. When the students are in the middle of school and on the way down from the bus, where they walk in the middle of the highway. And I used to cross there when the bus stopped and the children got off, they were right in the middle of the road. The only thing that a car can do is stop completely until the children reach their destination. Right now, most of the children go to the CIS Home Estate. But if you add another 68 houses, imagine how many children will be added there. And what you are talking about here is to move that path from the chisel and paktel to the back of the subdivision. And in my personal opinion, it makes no sense if you agree with such a thing. It's dangerous for our children. I don't have that age at home, but if I have, as I said, in my opinion, it's too much.

And that's it. Thank you. Are there any other people present who would like to speak about Regulation No.

2026.33?

At this time, we will have a session. May I ask the applicant, what is the reason for moving the route to Route A compared to Chisom Park Road? So the previous requirement is that a 10-foot wide route must be built along the Chisholm Park Trail. Currently, there is no road space available in Chisholm Park to build a 10-foot wide route. That is the part of the village road with a water channel on the side of the road and the construction of a 10-foot route will eat up the water channel and cause problems. So what needs to be done to build the route is to obtain land rights. from several property owners along that road. And the relocation of this route appears to be a more suitable solution that was agreed by the staff and the city when we presented it.

So the original route, where can you show me where it started? I thought it was on the slide before. So the original part of the route is right along the top of the development and down to Chisholm Park. So now the route is on Route A, going up through Route A.

So, at this time, the first time proposed, the issue of land rights and at least the space for a 10-foot sidewalk, is it not? Or at this time of the proposal, the requirement is not for a 10-foot wide sidewalk? The requirement is always for a 10-foot wide sidewalk.

The acquisition of land rights was also known at that time. This has been submitted back to the City Council and where... So there is a comment stating that the intention is not to build a route along Chisom Park Road. So it happened to go back to the council and the council recommended that we go back and they change the PUD. Because they don't want to connect Jalan Setapak to Jalan Dekajeng. So, what is the impact of the sidewalk or wetlands that come from Route A, which is connected to the road along the city, will give the same wetlands impact?

So, based on the impact of the wetland that comes from Route A, the applicant must mitigate their impact on the wetland. The city has mitigated their impact on the wetland. So there are two different applications. South Florida Water Management for mitigation. Or there will be if the developer moves in this direction.

And if the developer changes the material, that they use for proto-art, whether the city will match the material or we will see the difference where the Osceola County area starts and ends with sandcloth, where we will use wood and they will use, you know, composite or any type of old-fashioned new material. So, the Cisom Park route is owned by the city, so the city is the party that develops the internal route for Cisom Park. And the request for a wooden sidewalk is because of the mitigation of wetlands and flood problems. But will you be consistent with anything agreed by the developer and you on the city side? Do we know?

That's the problem right now. So it's not my project, but as far as I know from the director of the park and recreation, they are also considering the type of material because the flood that requires to build it is higher. You can't build it in a row.

I think one problem may be the word kayu itself.

Kayu, that's what I think.

Because the wood is very thick and heavy compared to dimension wood or something like that, you know, dimension wood that is maintained with...

I am not an expert on the impact of wetlands in general, but I am not present in those meetings.

I also want to note that when we survey and request for planning, as well as managing the permission of all types of routes through the wetland system there, it needs to be proven that there is no flood that is harmful. All types of wetlands need to be mitigated through the appropriate way by the Water Management District. So, the bad effect will be limited by the permit.

And the property that you ask to be maintained, is it only on Route A for CFOs in those houses before the route can be opened?

In my opinion, that's the important thing. I'm not sure if the language at this time states that, but in my opinion, it's something that we can finish.

Or is it also on Jalan Buntu, maybe?

Maybe you want to go back to PUD at this time. I also don't like PT.

Yes, so that's Route A, and it will be houses on the side of Serbaguna Highway. So any house on the other side of the road is not affected. Usually, as mentioned in the construction, you don't build a trottoir until you build the house.

Because there is a trottoir that passes and yes, So basically, we are choosing to agree or recommend a planned unit development agreement as shown, but we can recommend an agreement with the city's recommendation or the city's recommendation requirements in the future. So we have that option if we recommend an agreement or rejection, one of them. Yes, it will be recommended by the city or the applicant, or with the recommended conditions. That's the choice.

What makes me uncomfortable is the fact that everything was known before you did it, and now you're back asking for demand. So that makes me uncomfortable. You sell this plan to everyone in that area. You say the route will be there. Everyone may assume that their children will be safe with the sidewalk there. This will be a big improvement for that area, and now we say no. And it seems, as the staff said, you have asked the developer to do it. So it doesn't feel right to me.

Maybe it's just a short view.

That's what I mean. Useful land and knowing that you need road acquisition and knowing how long the road is as well as which property is affected. I don't see how it can be called a short view, especially if it is taken at the right time. In my opinion, it is cheaper for them to choose this way.

Mr. Chairman, if you may, Mr. Chairman, if you have closed your public opinion, then it is time for the Commission to discuss among the members of the Commission.

I'm sorry, have you closed your public opinion? I don't know if you have.

But if I haven't, then we will close the public comment right now. But, yes, do you want to respond to the comments from the Commission? You don't have to apologize.

Saya setuju dengan Anda dan Komisioner Marshall. Saya tidak mengerti mengapa hal ini tidak diselesaikan sejak awal dan baru diajukan sekarang. Ini semua soal uang dan saya tidak 100% setuju. Yes, I agree. This is for the sake of the community. So you have an impact on the community. That's right. There should be a little compromise. I understand business, let it be business. I understand very well, but when this expands beyond development, you and you offer this to, once again, I'm not here to raise voices, but you offer this to the previous planning commission. You said one thing and everyone was okay, everyone was satisfied, and now hopefully, maybe the people who were worried about this before will not come to this meeting. I don't know. I will not even have a meeting like that, but once again, I feel uncomfortable knowing that you need to do all the work that you say is no longer worth it for you, even though you have known it from the beginning. So that's just my opinion.

I will say that when the initial confidence condition was set, it was a high level agreement. There was no technical analysis that was done at that time. Only after we entered the PSP and started the initial review, it was decided that the additional travel rights needed to be taken. I do not hold the details, so I will only talk in general, but there is one particular property that is right in the balance, where road rights need to be taken and the lot will immediately become a lot that does not meet the rules. The front of the building will no longer be in accordance with what is agreed, because it actually exists in the Osceola County area, not in the city of St. Cloud. So, the ownership of road rights will make the land not in accordance with the rules. So, this is more than just about, as you know, money and finance. It has lost a corridor that I am sure is less than 15 feet from the houses of those people. So, this is more than just, this goes into detail and understands what it actually means to build a 10-foot corridor there. Yes, and speaking from the A&E industry, I mean, this agreement can eat up a lot of trials and errors to get something that can be agreed upon and succeed with the surrounding area along the way. Even so, we can certainly make motions, whatever you deem appropriate. That is, motions to recommend rejection or motions to recommend agreement with the conditions set by the city or to recommend agreement with other conditions.

Okay, I will submit a motion. I would like to submit a motion to reject Regulation No. 2633.PU.26.0004 for an amendment to the original plan for the initial development of the unit. Planned for around 20 ...

So the motion is to recommend the rejection of Regulation No. 202633, as written. Do you support it? I support it. All right, I already have a supporter who supports it. All those who agree to reject Regulation No. 202633, say yes. Yes. Those who disagree, do not vote for me. So it's 3-1. 3-1. You gave a statement about the motion. Correct. Okay. So it passed 3-1. The Commission recommends rejection of this plot amendment. How is it? Okay. And that will continue on September 10. Thank you. Next is the meeting of our Planning Commission on September 15 at 6 p.m. And can I get a motion to close the meeting? I don't want to make a motion. I don't want to make a motion.

Is there anyone who supports?

I support. Okay, everyone agrees to close the meeting because we agree. Agree. Agree. Is there anyone who disagrees? Agree.