County Commission - Regular Meeting

while while we're doing yours here i'll go in there and sign some things for cory on a docusign before you leave you have to go do you need to get me come back for whatever. No, I'll be here tomorrow. Yeah, you're off tomorrow.

That hasn't happened.

Oh, it hasn't happened yet? Oh, see? It's lonely at the top, isn't it? REGULARLY SCHEDULED WORK SESSION, AND I THINK WE DON'T LIE ON THAT, SO WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE TODAY. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS ON THE AGENDA TO ADDRESS. I THINK, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY INFORMAL IN OUR WORK SESSION, SO WE CAN JUST OPEN IT UP. AND THIS WILL HELP US TO DETERMINE THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TUESDAY'S MEETING. That way we kind of know whether we're ready to take some action or not, either up or down. But this will help us to establish our agenda next week. And sometimes our work sessions go a couple hours, especially if we don't need a telephone. Oh, no. Answer one of the mayors. That's for sure. I'm sure he wants some money. It's a garbage can or a popper. Yeah, it's about a garbage can or a popper. This one. But as usual, we'll get started off with the engineer's report. And as you get started on that, I'm going to step in there and document that. Oh, that's right. That's today. Right now. You know, live stream.

I guess everything we need, we can be going right now.

Bye.

Well, so far, we haven't been working on the budget today, so we haven't been in the yes mode.

You're like a wild coyote.

Yeah. Okay, we'll go over here to Captain Matt Morris and Captain Freddie Territine Emeritus. I'm going to talk about the fees.

We've submitted our recommendation to the commission. Commissioner Parker's looked at them. He's in favor of them. If y'all are, that's great. On the back page, it's why we put the feed where we did. Call volume increase, operational cost, technical cost, and our radio contract because i've been here this year it's going to be 245 000 then the next year it's going to go up to 265 000 then we have to renegotiate it okay so that'll more than cover the cost of the maintenance fee yes sir

These are the things for for dispatch and we dispatch for all the municipalities central dispatch dispatches for all of the municipalities and. Quick history real quick, because I get carried away. I know, but to start out, when we started the process of central dispatch, we basically. Got the municipalities to pay pretty much what they would, you know, because we were really sold that centralized dispatch was the best way for all of us to go financially speaking physically speaking in and operational. I think it turned out better than we thought it would even because the program has been running extremely well. Freddy's the latest 1 here. Matt's come along and we dispatch for the fire departments and dispatch for all the police agencies in the county and ambulance service and the game wardens and whoever, whatever pops up. in our original contracts and the wordage i don't believe has changed much in that contract it said any increases in this but we would expect them to go up over the years this has been going on for 30 years now 31 i guess by now And instead of going up according to the contract, which said call volume, we found out pretty quick that we started out charging too cheap. We didn't charge enough. So if we had gone by call volume that first year, everybody would have been shocked. So to keep that from happening, every year we've just sort of gone up by not an arbitrary amount but a percentage that everybody paid the same increase percentage wise and i think uh we've done five percent increase several years i think that was well now we're down to the point where it's sort of flip-flopped the five percent is not patent enough of the growth of dispatch that set this up enough uh if we took the total amount of what uh central dispatch cost And we've got the call volume. We know what call volume the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department is, for instance. We know what call volume Moody Police Department, for instance. If we took those two and we took all the people that we dispatched for, we could come up with a percent of what their call is as far as the total calls coming in. Some of them have gone up a lot faster than others, because some municipalities have grown a lot faster. Give you an example. If we'd have gone up just based on the call volume and probably Margaret, it would have been unbelievable because Margaret is now very highly populated municipality. So we've been using the percentage trying to be. The county has basically covered a big portion of the increases that we've got because we could, but it's got the point where we really need to catch this up a little bit better. So, instead of instead of going just the 5% this year, we want to look at the total call volume and base it on recommendation for fees. kind of catching some of it up that we didn't do when we first started 30 years ago. So that's kind of where we are. So we're going to have recommendations, and I think we told the municipalities that we would have this information to them by August 1.

That is the cooperative resolution. No, sir.

Yeah, but this is the fee.

Now, we haven't told them a date yet.

okay we ain't giving them a date on that but we did on the uh the resolution for the million dollars i got you but that as far as jail fees or that's not as soon as y'all decided but we definitely need to get we need to get the information municipalities as soon as possible because they're doing a budget also so uh that's what we're here today to discuss is uh uh a committee got together and looked at the calls total calls from each municipality came up with a list of fees here in the proposal, and then there's an attached document to that for the justification for those fees. Okay. That's where we all... That's the logic behind this document. Okay.

If you're being informed, so just as a general idea, if we've been running about 5% about where we at this year, percent wise over last year, and you can use me as an example or whatever. Is it for some of them more than 5% some of the more than 5? I think all of them at least 5. Now, we talk about, like, 7% or when I'm just looking at it from spring was last year.

Last year was 4. 4042 42,000 this year's speed would be 70.

56,000 last year last year went from 56 to 70, which is not as bad as 42. that just gives us an idea to.

How to do that.

And we'll get the winners out after Tuesday. If y'all read this.

Like I said, on the $8 million radio system, we're paying over a quarter million just for a maintenance contract.

Yeah, I was going to ask y'all to tell us what the total cost is. Other than the maintenance. Just the maintenance.

$300,000 if they would figure it out for the maintenance agreement.

Yeah. We definitely improved the system as far as that goes. And I think the fire departments, police departments, and all will agree to that.

$245,000 this year, next year will be? Around 265 to 70, then we have to renegotiate it.

This is the agreement with Motorola to maintain the system. So just right out of the gate, we're a quarter million dollars. Cost a quarter million dollars more. 84,000, that goes to the court.

We have to pay a yearly fee for the court. That's 84,000. Minus 150, whatever would be the minus grade for this year.

Let me mention, too, the county commission is the 911 board, and we pay a portion of that out of the 911 fees. Technically, you should say we're paying out of the 911 fees a percentage that are 911 costs. But if we did that, we'd be way out of whack. We've been paying more than that. We've paid a considerable amount out of 9-1-1 fees because we can. There's no reason to accumulate significant fees in a bank account for 9-1-1, for instance, as long as we can use that money to pay towards the dispatch because a certain number of these calls coming in are 9-1-1, specifically 9-1-1.

And this just breaks even.

All this is is bring us up, break even. And it just covers the cost of the maintenance agreement. Now, the next question that I would have, so all the municipalities, I know what they're going to do. They're going to get on the phone like I would do. What do y'all have to pay this year? We will put this out there so everybody will know. Sure. Everybody needs to know without having to look for it. This is what spring will go up and What did the, what did so-and-so else's go up, you know, what's old, you know, for instance?

About the same, they're the same amount, because of the growth.

So, now Richard, you can have mine, you want mine now?

Take that, I'm not going to turn you down.

Yes. So if that goes on there Tuesday, this will be what we approve, so we can plug it into our budget.

We got to do this planning where they can do their plan. That's right. If you look in front of you got 2 quotes, 1 from Motorola and 1 from red beard solutions, which is Kenwood radios. We've got a radio system. We didn't encrypt the fire channels because we was told they didn't need to. Based on anybody being able to scan. Well, since we've got the radio system three years ago, two years ago, Richard and him has found out people are scanning fire calls. And I think we have an incident where somebody showed up on the scene because of the scanner. And this would fix that problem. And the fire associations and the radio committee would ask the commission if they would be willing to.

Encrypt them?

Nobody can scan them. Okay. Just like the police is already that way, and sheriff's departments. We've been encrypt. But they just want to come on board and encrypt it also. And they was going to do it, right? And they told you, basically, you didn't need to do it.

As you talk about it, let's go back and talk a little history. When we were going through this whole radio process, it takes an act of Congress right now to get a radio programmed. If you just bought a radio and said, hey, I need to go get it programmed, you're not going to be able to do it. And the reason being is there's specific codes that they got to put in specific for St. Clair County. And those are under lock and key. Even a lot of dealers can't even get those.

Are they proprietary Motorola? Is that one reason?

No, sir. It's more proprietary with Aries, which is the Alabama interoperable radio system. Okay. So when we were going through the whole radio process and we're talking about it, um, Because of those codes and the programming and such as that, it was not something that they deemed, when I say they, the sales representatives and such, they deemed it something that we needed. And we chose not to. Encryption is just another level of security. And like I said, the police did. Most all police departments have theirs encrypted, and we didn't. So what we have found, there's a popular app that's out there right now, it's called Crime Radar, where people can you know, pull it up. It's sort of like a little Facebook Live. What it does is it uses AI technology that's listening to radio traffic of County Fire, Pell City Fire, and Moody Fire. And as soon as it hears something, it zaps out a message that says, hey, this call is at such and such, or it tells a little bit about it. It pops up on my Facebook page. Yeah.

Is that one you're talking about? I'm not sure.

It's not on Facebook. It comes up on Crime Radar.

Somebody's picking it up. Somebody will pick it up and say it's on. It'll actually have the dispatch voice thing on it. Yeah, they'll actually hear the dispatch side. And it could be like five minutes ago.

Yeah, and that's what we're running into. So the other thing that we found is when we went through and did the initial programming, okay, We have probably about 500 and something users that are using Motorola radios, approximately 300 and some users that are using Kenwood radios. Both of them are working well. But in the programming, in the way that we set up the programming, we've got a little inconsistencies between different departments depending upon who programmed what and this kind of such. And I'll give you a primary example. One of the issues that we've been running into lately is We've got one department that probably over the last month have had about four or five activations of their emergency button. Okay, and what that is, it's a man down button. If you get trapped, lost or something, you hit that button. It's almost like an amber alert on the fire ground. It sets off this god awful alarm inside central dispatch and it locks out the radio system. Like our little button right over here. Yeah, don't hit that. Yeah.

worse because it's in every ear.

Yeah. I mean, it goes over everybody's radio and all this other stuff. And it's been one department. And we believe, okay, and once again, this is what we, I'm going to say this is Richard's assumption, is that we specifically, from an association, like on the Motorola radios, the default setting on that, on a radio regularly, is like .01 second. Okay, so if you hit it for more than .01 second, then it's gonna go off. We purposefully reset that to a three second hold. So you have to hold it for three seconds in order to set the alarm up. So what we believe is that did not get into their programming schema and they still have the .01 or the .1. So we have some inconsistencies in programming. And I will say that with any new system, and even if you go back and talk to the sheriff's department, they probably, if you ask and say, hey, if I could change something, change programming, if I could move this channel from here to here so I don't have to go back to different zones, is there anything that would make life easier for us? And even from central dispatch. So one of the things that not only will we be able to fix this encryption issue, but we can also use the last three years that we've been doing this and say, okay, what's our best practices? What have we learned? How can we standardize the programming and everything to make life a little bit better? So we're killing more than one bird by just doing this encryption program. And from the Fire Association, we're just going to be honest with you. We're going to ask if y'all will provide the funding to do this. It's estimated between, like I said, the Motorola people and the Kenwood people, somewhere in the neighborhood of about $55,000 is the fix. That's them coming out to the county. Kenwood will set up in one or two locations, so we'll have to take all the radios to those one location. Something that's going to have to be done pretty expeditiously because When they encrypt their radios, if it's not encrypted, we're not going to be able to talk back and forth. So we're going to have to go to a secondary channel while we go through this transition process. It's going to be something that's going to have to be logistically coordinated. But it is something that I think could be very beneficial. It's also a safety issue for us, you know, so we don't have people just showing up randomly or listening to to things that they don't need to be listening to. Sometimes things get put out on the news via that and really it's not the correct information. So we're just trying to nip this problem in the bud.

Now when you say that

they'll present it to us instead of or we get something from fire and ms i'll get it from whoever you need to get it from the one that is yeah all right we got it right here that was it here so that's these two attached four four eight and seventy eight three seventy eight three uh motorola has uh 599 radios and kenwood has 312 radios and motorola is coming to all 16 stations they have to reprogram on site

And my Harvey math said this came up to like 53 and some change. I round to 55 to make life easier because you never know when something's going to do it. So that's where I came up. You're doing paper math. That's Harvey math.

You're doing paper math now. It's for the fire department, but that's every radio in the county. So that'd be 3,700. Every radio.

Freddie, you said every radio.

Sheriff's department, police department, so everybody's radio's got to be touched. Apparently. Apparently. So we can hear. It's part of this. It's part of this.

Yeah, all this is. Because Sheriff's Department has county fire. You know, police departments have county fire. So once again, there's a benefit to the police departments and the sheriff's departments because they can say, hey, you know, I need to put north next to south or I need to move sheriff next to north or there's some benefit there. And like I said, we can get this logistically worked out. And the 55 number. handles all of this.

Is that something that has to happen now?

Can we put that in the budget? We can put it in the budget and have it for us.

What he's asking is that we don't have to do that. This doesn't have to be done next week, does it?

No, sir. If you got the extra money in this year's budget, we can get it done in this year's budget. If you want to put it in next year's budget, then we can put it in next year's budget and we can make it work.

Give us time to coordinate for October to get it started.

Let's do that. Let's look toward next budget.

Because we're working on that now. 100%. We're working on that. So do we think these prices will change between now and, say, September? I think we can lock them. I'll lock them in. I'll call them and see if I can get locked in.

And I'll say this. Correct me if I'm wrong, Freddie. The Kenwood people, we're talking about coming to one location. That's just not logistically feasible. Not if you have 312 radios? Yeah. So part of that 55 is to say, hey, we may need to set up like we do our pump testing where we do Springville one day, we do Odenville one day, Pell City one day, so that everybody can make life a lot easier.

now as we as we're looking at this expense the other sheet that we just got to be discussing this is the kind of thing that goes on that sheet right so next year 70 may be 74. split it up amongst everybody originally i think we said we would dispatch fire at no charge or we know originally we said we'd dispatch volunteer fire no charge at no charge that's right and we basically We're doing that, but volunteer took on a different name during this last 30 years, and the municipality's police departments are not volunteer, but we just started saying we're going to do fire, but we're going to charge the cities based on what a budgeted amount cost to dispatch. So come on in there. There's a discussion. That's why I was, does your request for help come from Fire DMS My request comes from firing EMS. Okay. I'm supporting him. We are requesting of y'all.

Gotcha. Okay. So going back to the original, had you agreed to do this original way back when, there wouldn't be no cause.

If we'd have done it.

Somebody advised you not to. I'm just asking. Well, there was some cost because we had to purchase radios that were encryption eligible. So there's a software in the radio that we had to pay for.

To answer your question, Mr. Meister, you're right. They were told by the rep that nobody could ever scan. I was just curious. So that's why you chose not to. That's why we chose not to.

But it turns out that wasn't accurate. Mm-hmm.

And I will say this in our discussion at the County Fire and EMS Association, okay, technology is constantly changing. So there's nothing to say three years from now that even encrypted your sheriff's department radios, fire department radios, or whoever, there may be some hacker out there that's figured out some way of breaking the encryption. And, you know, these are technology, and we're constantly chasing stuff. Thank you. Appreciate you.

Thank you. Okay. All right. Y'all have any questions yet cleared up? No, just make sure. Sounds like that statement from some vendor or something. It's kind of like the car salesman that said, this car's on a bid to buy a little lady at the charity or something. Find that letter on there. See you next week. Door transmission out. I think we've done this over the years. If we ever take what it costs to run central dispatch, fire and EMS, police, all of the services that come through 9-1-1 requirements that changed over the years. If we take that total amount and we didn't do central dispatch and everybody had to do their own like they do in some places. Mm-hmm. bill would be probably three times more than it is to run this back total because municipalities individually just can't run it as efficiently as doing it like we're doing but at some point in time some municipalities might choose to do their own they may but i doubt it because they're not going to be able to they just can't touch these numbers now one thing that i will say is in in you know as my position with the fire and emma association um

I think there's a day and time that we go back and we divide that cost of what services is by the users. Right now, we're not dividing it by all the users.

And that's where we started out. Well, how much is this going to cost us? I don't know how much will you pay. So we went from that. Wasn't a good approach. We never anticipated centralized dispatch and the replacement of equipment being a multi-million dollar issue over the years. And it's been, what business cost us? Eight and a half.

Eight and a half. Eight and a half million.

And now we're $250,000, $300,000 maintenance fees per year. So it's definitely a different world than it was then. But a lot of things have happened. That's what facilitated, that's what stimulated our doing this to begin with, is interoperability. How do you get to talk to other people?

Well, 17 years ago, when the fire went from the VHF to the Moto Turbo, that was a million-dollar project. So it's gone 17 years from a million-dollar change in radio system to $8 million.

And plus, now, before then, we didn't have to pay maintenance, what we got to pay now in the maintenance grant for them to maintain this system. Roughly, this year, it's going to cost us about $290,000.

And part of that maintenance is security, isn't it? Part of that maintenance is the security claim. We didn't even talk about security to begin with. They can't get into this. Nobody will bother this. Now, then, every hacker in their basement can get into these things. Well, we're in good shape now. Radio-wise, I think we are. Okay. Good work on everybody's part to keep putting this together. So it's definitely a public service that we offered it. It's expensive, but it's one of the most important parts of the services that we offer is the safety.

Let me go ahead and say this. That was Mayor Moody. Mayor Leeds, it was called. Calling about, I don't know who it was. So I told him, go back to Blount County, like I told you yesterday at that meeting, he's going to go back to Blount County, ask Blount County for $100,000 of 9-1-1 money now. And in four years, they've got to give us all of it. After four years, they have to give us all of the 9-1-1 money.

And they got the option to wait for a balloon payment?

They'll pay us $230,000. They need to give us $230,000. They're going to have to give us $200,000 now. And then three years later, four years later, they'll give us the rest of it.

So we can go all the way to a balloon payment and pay it then?

No. That's why I wanted that all. But I mean at the end. At the end of four years, we don't want the rest of it. I get you. So that's what it means. So they negotiate with them now. He said he wants us to do the radio, wants us to do their dispatch, and the 911. I said, this is the only way it's going to work. And he was not agreeing? No, he said he was going to get back with me. Okay. As soon as he told me to talk to the blood county.

The total increase with these fees, it'll be an additional $70,000 going from what we've charged the municipalities now to this list.

Go up $70,000?

Increase of $70,000.

Okay. We've got two more budget sessions, but we'll try to know this one pretty quick because we need to let the city know for this year anyway.

Would Leeds radios, if they came on today?

Their radios are already compatible. They're already, okay. Yeah, their snows are already compatible.

This is more of an attempt to... Bring leads back into the fellowship of our county and neighbors. Part of leads is in Sinclair County and not a little bitty part. We look at it. Okay, people driving by on the interstate says that little part right there where Lowe's is in the county. No, there's a It's a big part of Leeds back to the right there that's in St. Clair County. There's more population in that sliver of Leeds than there is in, I think, three of our municipalities. You're probably looking at that just in-house-wise. Yeah, you look probably 1,000 now. So there's a bigger population in there than there is like in three of our minutes.

56% of Leeds is in. Yeah. And 56 is in Claire. There's roughly 40-something in Jefferson and a small 20%, if I remember Chuck telling me correctly.

The biggest growth has been in St. Clair. The biggest majority of it. So it might be 56, Jefferson, 40. You take Claire, 20, Shelby. Yeah. 30 to 40% right in there in Leeds and St. Clair. You've got about 5% of that in Shelby County.

Leeds receipts from revenue collection for the county is larger than several of our minutes. We're not doing this foreign countries. That's basically what I'm trying to point out. We're doing this for Leeds, which is part of St. Clair County. And as it grows, it becomes even more part of St. Clair County. We're trying to bring it back in. How it ever ended up the other way, I don't know. It's a long story. But this would work better not only for St. Clair County dispatch. We feel like it definitely worked better for the residents of St. Clair County that live in the Leeds area. So overall, I think it would be a better thing to You can hop up here and tell us all the roads you paved last week. Okay. Here are the municipal agreements that were approved last commissioning.

It can be signed by the chairman.

Odenville and Riverside. Okay.

Okay. Go on now. Item number one is update on the crews and projects. The paving crew has finished the Copper Springs area, getting it ready for the tar and gravel to come later on this year. And the last few days and the first of next week, they're doing the Springville parking lots that we have agreed to town springfield to do then the base crew they're still working on the kelly creek road uh project uh getting it ready for the the federal aid project and uh they should be finishing up that next week which we're very happy with about about two weeks ahead ahead of schedule and the backhoe crew of course they've been doing driveway pipes and cleaning ditches across the county

Item number two is... One minute. What's the cost on that springboard? You said they were finishing that springboard project. Was that 60-something?

No. No. Their part and our part was 80-something thousand. Theirs was 73 and ours was 12. Okay.

Let me make sure I got that down right. That looks good, too. Yeah, it does. I want to make sure. All right.

Okay. All right. The... We have three vehicles that we'd like to get taken off the inventory, and so we can place them on godeals.com.

What kind of vehicles are they?

They're pickup trucks. Pardon me.

All of them pickup trucks? What kind of miles are they?

They're over 20 years old.

Oh, okay. Never mind. Never mind. Right. I was trying to see if we had any better trucks out there we could give them. Never mind.

They're past the prime a long time ago. All right. And also on the number three, we have two plotters. The large plotters like to have up in revenue mapping department. We have two of those that we'd like to get taken off inventory and place them on godeals.com. number four uh like discussed proven approach the a proposal from uh price road boring incorporated for a pipeliner project on canyon road 26 uh for 78 868 dollars uh this pipe uh you know this this road was constructed back in the late 60s and early 70s and those pipes have been in in the ground that long And here's a pipe that's 40 feet down We go and put this liner in there. We won't ever have to fool with it again and so if we were to have to Replace this the conventional way it'd be about a road would be shut down about two to three months and So it's very well worth in our estimation that we go ahead and do these pipeline projects. There'll be more to come over the next year or two along County Road 26. Number five, discuss approving a proposal from REMAC Incorporated for a cracked ceiling project on County Road 30, which is old Springville Road in the Springville area. Argo-Springle area and Mountain View Road, which is also in that same area. And their proposal is for $67,638. And this is the same company that did Gallup Road and Pinedale Road about two years ago, almost two years ago for us.

That's where they spray the cracks?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes. And that's basically a three to five year service life on that type of project. And we need it so we can come back later and do a scrub seal micro project on those roads. Give us a little more time.

You said that pipe was 40 foot below the road bed? Yes. Backing up one.

does that work there's 40 foot of fill on top okay okay so we'd have to at the road we'd be cutting open 240 feet right okay so moving on to Moving on to six, discuss approving a proposal from Corrective Asphalt Materials for a preservation project to place reclamite on Canyon Road 42, the portion of Canyon Road 42 that's on top of the mountain from Hyatt Scalp over to the intersection where Channel Mountain Church is located. and that's the same project type project that uh the same company that did black blackjack road uh putting this pavement this uh reclamite on it it should give another five uh five year service life to the hot mix asphalt project so it's very good value when were you those three are they in the budget or the pos have been secured okay

Clay, on this Chandler Mountain Road project, when do you anticipate that going forward?

All three of these projects, I anticipate them to be completed before the end of September.

Oh, excellent. Okay. Good, good, good.

It's a liquid. It's a malting type oils. And when plant mix, hot mix is put down over 14 days, these type oils evaporate out because they were brought up to 350 degrees. So this is replenishing a lot of those oils and it just, you know, gives it better life, a longer life. Gotcha. Okay, number seven, a proposal from Eugene L. Evans Manufacturing for $8,750 to replace the green canvas awnings at the front of the highway department's office building with bronze metal awnings, and they'll be coming down at a slant off of the building. And it'll be very much an improvement for sure. And I think one of those drawings have been up there since 2001. So they've exceeded their service life, I think. okay and then number eight discuss the boundary survey proposal from daryl luker for the county lot over here at 392 fifth avenue uh fifth street in asheville over here where i believe uh the county commission wants to place that storage building that's going to be moved from the back of the ema so I think the county needs it, the boundary survey completed.

I'm going to put that on Tuesday.

And also I wanted to bring up to you, it's how do you want to pay for that?

Any way you want. I thought you just wrote a personal check for that. That's not much. That's the cheapest thing we're doing today.

$850. $850.

He's already done the one over at the location in Pell City. I see that that was done.

Yep.

Yep. I think we did this last year.

We had to get it surveyed a lot.

No, no, no, no, this is another location. We can do that.

Well, we took some out with our Mini-X also, but you're not going to be able to turn any sharper than what we took out.

Just to see. Okay.

That's where we get it from. She said if we split it equally among us. Yeah. It'd be $225 each. Just kidding. Well, let's just get it done. Where did we pay for the last survey? I just paid the Moody Band Booster something. Michelle?

Yes?

Where did we pay for the last survey out of? Right here. Out of your, for the News Ages building?

No, that would have been out of general fund. We would have done it out of general fund.

We just haven't got the invoice yet. Yeah, it was $400, I think, for it.

$300. $300. We can swap the PO over to general fund if y'all want.

What was you going to swap it? What was it originally?

It was.

Okay, I got you.

He's paying out his budget for that. I guess he paid out your budget for that. We'll pay you out in general.

Is that a deal? Okay. That's the best deal we've got going today.

All right.

All right, we're good.

Larger amounts, hopefully, in the future. A little differently, maybe. Number nine, we have a lot of old road construction project maps, the plans, the construction plans, and they're taking up a lot of time, a lot of space, and we've already scanned them in. about 18 years ago. And so we called the Asheville Museum and Archives and they said they would like to have them. And we would like to donate them if the commission is so inclined.

That's a good thing. That's a good idea.

Okay.

That's it. That's all I have.

All right, for the right of way.

Pardon me?

Thanks for cutting that right away.

Right.

You know where I'm talking about.

Come on right. How much money you got in your bag? What's going on? I don't care what's going on. How much money you got in there? I got no money for it. I got no money for that one. Didn't have much in the annex budget.

I don't know. I don't know how much is left in there. There may be enough. Don't tell me I walked off and left my sheet of paper over there. I'm going off of memory. Part of it. No. Multiple is on there. Informational item. New housekeeper. Roseanne George. fill our vacant position next informational item uh she started already no she won't start till next month i have that on my report also right for record of the minutes uh pill city chiller we have to do it on the weekend unless I want to shut it down during the middle of the week and then get hot. Otherwise, we have to do it on the weekend and it's going to be estimated no more than $4,500 for weekend work, which is in my budget.

That's that budget Ricky was asking you about.

That's in my courthouse budget. That ain't in my annex budget.

$3,800 out of there.

So what are they going to do to that chiller?

Got to replace two coals. Two coals.

That's $4,500 overtime charge. Right. Parts and everything else is free.

Okay. And also, I checked on it because our warranty is fixing to run out on it in November. Asked about an extended warranty, and they will not give us an extended warranty on something that old. They ain't but five years old.

That's the one we set. Yes. On a Saturday. It's been that long.

They've been knocking on five years in November.

It's not really giving us a lot of trouble though.

Now, this is actually, I think, the first time something fairly big has happened to it.

Oh, man.

Okay. Next thing was spire gas. The coroner's office. Y'all agreed on the one for EMA last year. work session uh like the price he quoted us for us fixing the road not them was 493 uh you want to put it on the agenda for to be approved to go ahead and get that meter set oh wait a minute you're talking about that wasn't it this is for the corners

We agreed to the one. We're doing one at a time. We're doing one at a time. We're doing the one behind the sheriff. We want the one. We need that one set behind the sheriff's office now.

Yeah, that's what we're waiting on to see. Chairman's already signed it. I've already sent it back to Pat. That was done this morning.

Do you have any idea when that's going to happen? The one behind the sheriff's office.

He told me when I was talking on the phone with him earlier, he had that one expedited.

Well, good.

Didn't give me a date, but he said he had that one on the top of the list.

Girls, y'all know how I feel about this.

So, you saying that now, does that mean the coroner's office is off the board right now? Do we get this one set?

Okay.

This is priority right now. Well, I was thinking if we was going to be doing it, then while they was down there doing that one, then as soon as they got done with that one, they could probably move over and do the other one.

It would be great if they do it that way.

For what it's worth, the generator for the sheriff's office, there's some lag time in the delivery for that. And then what's happening at the coroner's office, it's not the amount isn't going to trigger the bid law or anything like that. You know, if you're able to go ahead and do one, that might be the one to do. The one for the sheriff's office is going to have to be bid out. Well, it's going to have to be generators. The generators. I'm just saying. We got to have the meter set. Right.

Anyway, just throwing that in the mix. What's going to happen is they're going to run a gas line. They're not going to set a meter. Right. They're going to set a meter after that generator is in place. But we're just trying to get a gas line. This has got to be the most complicated gas meter in the history of gas meters. We've been trying to get that gas meter.

At least a year. At least a year we've been trying to get that gas meter there. We can't do anything else to that gas meter generator set. Hold that whole project together.

In a nut jail right there.

One's got to be there before the other goes. There's about a, I think it's about a 90-day lag in production. It ain't going to be here quick.

No, that's going to be just like the one when we ordered ITs. They had to order it, and it was a few weeks on it.

We ain't been in doubt yet, have we? The generator, I think. No, they ain't been in doubt yet. I don't think so. How do you know it's going to be a 90 days lay if we didn't even bid it out? Do we even know who we're buying it from, who's even making it?

We haven't awarded the bid yet.

Yeah. So who's bidding?

What's the process for sending it out, awarding it, and all that? It was approved to bid.

It'll be one of them things unless somebody just happens to have one in stock. We've got a place to put that mobile command, though. fire if they're out there how much is it 400 how much i think it was 493. what first fire goes up to do the to bury put the book this says 493 with no road restoration to the corner so if spire has time to set those to run both gas lines right

Do y'all want them to do both gas lines in one day? We know the sheriff's going to do it in one day.

Well, I know they won't do it in the same day because I asked him that question. It's the same time. I know they won't be done at the same time.

I don't know much about gas lines.

Here's what I know. Apparently, we need them. And it's taking forever to get one done at the sheriff's office and the coroner's office. For the love of all that is good and holy, let's just get it done. We've been talking about this a year. Yeah. It's not.

Okay. If y'all approve it, then I will get him to send the paperwork over where we can get that one signed and get it sent back. Now on the sheriff's SWAT building. Is this where we're gaslighting?

We're still on gaslighting.

I'm going to start off at the beginning because the way he worded it was it was going to be $29,000, but after going back in and he'd done some finagling with the prices, he got it down to $15,000. To run a gas line? To run a gas line.

Well, if the gas line is already going up there, they're going to have to

Apparently upsize it. It's not big enough. Not big enough to handle that building and what the sheriff said.

And we're not dealing with the same guy. This guy's out of Gadsden.

Well, there's already gas in the SWAT building.

They already have gas. There's already a gas line up there. It's just not big enough to carry it.

But why wouldn't we handle all we're putting in that building up there so there's gas in there where it's in the open part? Not enough volume. There's your sign. There's gas. That's what he told me. That's what I gathered out of Israel.

That's not big enough to handle it.

He's given all the information to Jason Goodgame, too.

How much does it cost now? $15,000? $15,000. It was $29,000.

$29,000, and they worked it. It was in car sales before this. Right.

Yeah, okay. Except we waited another couple weeks. It may be a little less. Or they might decide to go back up. Sound like Ronnie Marger going out of business. Yeah, for 30 years.

Do we have to have gas? Yeah. I think we do. Make a total lecture.

I guess that's whatever the plans call for. I mean, sure.

If they got those radiant heaters. You don't want to go electric? No. Was that $15,000?

I'll tell you what, you sure don't want to be total electric because, I mean, this 10 times cost.

I'm glad the fire company don't do this like the gas company does. Hey.

Yep.

I don't say nothing.

I know the power company, they've changed some of their rules. They only run the power line so far. They'll run either one pole, maybe two, and then you pay for anything out after.

If it's underground, you do it all.

That's it.

That gas line includes them setting a meter too?

Is that going to be a separate price for the meter?

No, that's the new meter too. Okay, 15. Or whatever you just said.

We've got to pay somebody to run it from the meter to the meter.

The contractor will be responsible to get it out to the meter.

appreciate it. I know you love to hear me talk about spire gas. I'm glad you ain't got more. I'm tired of talking about spire gas. Me and him had a little conversation the other day. He said he'd talk to you. Yeah.

So that's all the gas talk we had.

That's all the gas talk and all I got.

You just have to walk in.

Good afternoon, Jeff.

How are y'all?

Are you going to talk to us about gas meters or gasoline?

Well, no. My request is vehicles, but they can be powered by natural gas. That's over $493.

That's the best price we've got today.

Okay. All right.

So, y'all, here's the issue. Our greatest need right now is vehicles. I mean, mine's fine. That's not an issue at all. But, like, Ms. Bridget's, hers is in the shop right now getting a motor in it. Chris's is on his third motor. And that car's got, it's a 15 miles, got, you know, 6,000 plus hours. He went to get a haircut the other day, and the radio, air conditioner, all that went out on it. So, I mean.

They told me yesterday they put a new motor in that car.

They are putting a new motor. I mean, what we're talking about is not going to fix the immediate problem. But we've got to have reliable vehicles, y'all. We just do. So, you know, here's the deal. Realistically, I know it's expensive. I know that. But it's just like a fire engine. Fire engines you used to buy for $200,000 or $300,000. Now all of a sudden they're $900,000, $1 million. Ladder truck that used to be $1 million, $1.5 million. Now they're $2 million and $2.5 million. Things go up. So, I mean, the request I have is the Tahoe's. And the reason for that, one, we're asking for the police. a patrol vehicle, because it's set up to where, like we need. We deal with body fluids. That's what we deal with. So those vehicles are set up that way. The computers are set up that way. So we do a lot of waiting on transport. We can enter all the stuff in for the reports. If they transport to the coroner's office, it's sitting on the printer when we get there. The reason for the Tahoe as compared to the Explorer, and y'all, I mean, anybody that knows me knows my mind works different, but y'all, the best way I can explain it is you've got 10 pounds of potatoes in a five-pound bag. I was telling Miss Tina the other day, I feel like at some point you're going to hit the brakes and one or two of them potatoes is going to be a missile at the back of your head. And I mean, just, you know, just the recovery bags alone. I mean, you're talking about infant, pediatric, adult, six mil adult, 12 mil adult, 20 mil adult, oversized adult, water recovery adult. I mean, they're just in bags alone and they ain't counting the PPE. I mean, like I carry PPE. And when I carry PPE, I carry extra because we, I mean, y'all, we have great fire departments, paid and volunteer both. If we've got somebody that they know we're going to need help, everybody is real good about staying. I provide them the Tyvek suits and We were blessed to be able to get a lot of stuff that was surplused from the Department of Public Health because of COVID. So we got a lot of things that we would normally have to purchase. We were able to get that at no cost. But I mean, you've got bags, you've got PPE, you've got camera equipment. I carry a bag. Because again, I'm still a paramedic. Still try to help in those areas when I can. And so, y'all, you're just talking about stuff. I mean, they ain't counting case files and all that stuff. When people call, you can pull over and pull out the file. I mean, the smack piles up, and then you got the baby doll reenactment. And y'all, I mean, when I say this, you know, like, I come from the fire department. That's all I know. Our smack is, everybody knows where everybody's stuff is. You know, like, I'll use this for example. We have four stations. One station may have extrication. One station may have hazmat. One station may have the boat and that type of equipment. And that's kind of what I want to be able to set up in this office is to where we've got the resources and eventually I want to get to where we've got two people on call all the time. I had money in the budget for my requests initially when i turned the budget in was another deputy corner and i had money in the budget for a van you know and uh you know a scissor lift and uh and a mower cut and so you know and that's in this budget but i told miss tana i mean yeah i understand that stuff is expensive y'all i get that i i operate off the same budgets but as far as if For me to give my recommendation, what we need that will serve us, you know, one, I want to get vehicles on a regular rotation, you know, to where everybody knows what's going on. Hey, and then two, you know, I don't have to worry about not just being down a vehicle, but being down the deputy corner because we don't have a vehicle. You know, that's, you know, really has been great. The sheriff has been awesome as far as helping, but Yeah, he's got enough on his plate to take care of him. I mean, her vehicle already they were going to surplus. Now, when Miss Bridget got it, they wound up putting money in it for her to have a vehicle. And now they're having to put more money in it. And, you know, that's still under his budget. I mean, that's still on his. I mean, and that's what I don't want to do. You know, I don't want. I don't want it to be on somebody else's budget, and I don't want it to be where we're going to have to sacrifice service for vehicles.

Don't forget we have that spore. Also, I mentioned if you need something right now. Ma'am. We have the spore that you can use if you need something right now. If we do have, I mean. If y'all need that right now.

Yeah, I mean, I think hers should be ready.

I don't know today. It should be ready Monday or Tuesday, and then I'll put mine in the shop and take hers to go to class in.

Yeah, he's got a class in Prattville. Where is he?

It's out here in our parking lot.

Take advantage of it. If you get one out of the shop and you get that one, you'll have two mobile at that point.

Questions? Concerns? Rotten tomatoes you won't throw?

We're working on it. You say Chris tore his up?

Again.

I didn't tear it up.

Y'all, that thing's a trip now. You turn the blinkers on, the lights come on. Oh, yes.

I mean, I wouldn't get away. There's a ghost in it.

It sounds haunted.

You know what's wrong with it? Between the steering wheel and the seat. You know what's wrong with it? It's a 2015 with an original one ball.

Yes, ma'am.

So are you still wanting to purchase that van? I did talk with the auditor. So we're good on purchasing the used van?

I mean, the van would be a plus. It absolutely is a need. Let me just stop you and say this right now.

When we agreed to let you hire a deputy corner last year, we told you. We let you hire that deputy corner and we paid for it. take the money, we've had money in that budget now for three years to buy a van with it to transport patients and quit tying up RPS ounces. And you agreed to that. That's why we give you another deputy corner. So you'd have two. So y'all could transport. But yet here it is. Almost in July we still ain't bought a van. We still ain't transported. I think that's a I think that's a great point.

Okay. And, Commissioner, I think that's a great point, which is why, I mean, I've repeatedly requested several times. I've looked at three or four different vans that Jeff's ready to purchase, and I was told, no, you have to buy them off the state bid list. I promise. I'm not telling you a story. Okay.

Yes, we can. I talked with the auditor. We can buy one. As long as we don't buy another one within that year, we don't have to bid it out.

I mean, y'all, look, I've got the van picked out. I've got $499.

And when it holds the cot, we get the cot to lock in for the cot and all that. You can look this way.

That's the one. Yes, sir. And that price is good. And that's the price of the van, y'all. It's a very minimal cost. because you're basically talking about some, I can tell you what I've seen, you can spend as much as $4,000, or you can go to Home Depot and get some stuff, and it'll do exactly the same thing.

And I'm just- Talking about, how you gonna hold a body? In this van here, you're talking about buying. If you don't have a cot, will you put them on a cot, put them up in there to lock them in? Is this quip what you mean?

Yes, sir, it is. You said Home Depot.

What do you mean by that? So what you do is you take the seats out, you put plywood down, and there's a little $10, $15 ring that the cot mount goes on. It's not like an ambulance stretcher.

So you modify that used van for your purposes for very minimal cost. Yes, sir. Okay. Now you and how many employees will we have total? If we meet your request, how many deputies will you have?

Yeah, I've got, there's me, there's Ms. Bridget, and Chris.

All right, and you're asking for one more? Yes, sir. So it'll be four?

Yes, sir. Okay.

So we're good with purchasing the van because that's in his budget.

So if that's what he wants to make for you, we'll be with you this week. and do that. So do we need to put that on Tuesday or we can say yes, go do that? Or it's already in the budget?

It's in the budget.

So we don't have to do it Tuesday. Just go do it.

But now the scissor lift, the scissor lift, he requested it in last year's, in 26's budget, but y'all did not approve for him to do that. So that's not in the budget.

That's not in the budget. But what he was, we had 10,000 or 8,800 that's in safety and y'all Again, we were able to get a lot of stuff that was surplused. So the cot and the seizure lift, there's money in the budget for that.

So if y'all are good with him using that money, because he did not have to buy PPEs with that money, that's what that money was for.

Yes, ma'am. As a matter of fact, in this year's budget, I actually decreased it from $10,000 down to $2,000.

So these two? Yes, that's right. 8,500 total combined, both of them.

Yeah, there should be a quote there.

Yeah, I've got it. But that's the 8,800 we're talking about here. That is correct. Yes, sir. Okay. Is there any way you can tell me by chance how many calls your deputies take a year?

There's 8,800 in his safety supply line. I can't tell you. What I can honestly tell you is the majority of the time Jeff's out, Chris is out. Y'all, right now we're still dealing with paper. And I know the state is coming out with a free electronic program. And y'all, I have to lay my head down at night. I don't want to come to the commission and say, hey, they got these. And they do. They got great electronic deals. So I can't tell you, yeah, Chris runs this amount of calls. Ms. Bridget runs this amount of calls. I think they both bring, you know, Chris, my background's fire and EMS. Chris's background's law enforcement. And Ms. Bridget comes from the district attorney's office in victim services. So, you know, you put that together. You know, take egos out. You've got something that, you know, can really do something.

Yes, I'm getting here and then hearing that y'all running other calls other than just death calls.

As far as?

What calls are you running now? Let's just say for an example, Pell City Sheriff's Department or Pell City Police Department, you said, I need you to come up here to this house. We've got a 1089 up here.

Okay.

So one... It shouldn't take but one of y'all to go up there and handle that 1089. I'm not saying we're on the same call.

I'm not saying that. Most of the time we've got multiple calls going on. Or somebody's got to go to the coroner's office and meet somebody. So one of y'all should be running separate calls, not together. We do. We do. Unless it's a homicide. I mean, if it's a homicide, a, you know, heaven forbid, god awful trauma, you know, there'll a lot of times be two of us there because, you know, you got more eyes, you got, you know, different outlooks. So when I say we're out at the same time, we're not out on the same call. That's not what we're doing. Now, as far as the, you know, and I want to make sure that you understand this, and I'll give, like New London, New London the other day, a few weeks ago, they had a wheelchair, a guy in a wheelchair that fell through the porch. And y'all, I'm not talking about going emergency, but it's during the day, everybody's at work, and I rode down there and helped Mr. Paul. That was a trip, too. He just, boom. He's still sitting there just chilling, you know. But anyway, for Mr. Paul to try to get him out by himself, that's an issue. Or Mr. Howard the other day, he had a guy that's 350 pounds that failed. They toned Cook Springs several times, no response. They got toned Wattsville several times, no response. I just went out there and helped him pick him up. I mean, it's not like Jeff, y'all, that's not what Jeff does. I'm not screaming across the county playing county paramedic, any of that. But if I'm close, then I can be of assistance. Well, I mean, we're all here to serve the public, I guess. That's my only mindset. That's good. We appreciate that. That's a good thing.

That's a good thing. So you've got the band, the cop, the suit, and you need two good, unbelievable. Yes. Okay.

My request was to knock a four-foot cased opening in order to make my brain room larger in my kitchen. The only problem was that it was a firewall. Roddy, we got a determination from an architect that it was okay to do that because we had sprinklers and everything's good. I got two beds and submitted them to Roddy. That's my one.

I'm trying to get you to pay for it. I appreciate you working on it. But that is a request to get you guys to

Give me the authority to take that wall down and do it.

You got to have gas, have you? No, sir. You do.

No gas, no water. I don't think you can get it by wintertime.

We're going to take it out of my budget and we're going to do some horse trading. I won't tow new vehicles.

Well, that'd be strange. How much?

Does Ronnie have the quotes? Yes. How much are they, Ronnie? One was $20.

$2,801.30. $2,801.30. $2,801.30. $2,801.30.

The one that was $3,800 gave us the declaration, I guess, that it was okay to do that wall, so we probably need to consider that when we make a decision. That's Rodney's decision to make. The other item, you guys let me hire a college student to work. His 10 weeks are about up. He's done a great job. I actually got him doing some scanning for me now, another thing, scanning some maps for me. I'd like to extend that up to October. I talked with Michelle, and we have the money in there. I just didn't want to keep him without your knowledge that He's expended his time. And if it's okay with y'all, I'd like to use that money up and let him go to work.

Keep up the scanning, huh? Keep up the scanning.

We're scanning maps, historical maps that we've had. We have to map the entire county every year. And then we have to retain those. And there's a room downstairs that's just full of them. A lot of them are paper. Some of them are mylar. So it's good to get them in a system in case something happens to them.

Get them digitized. Yes.

Okay.

Do we need to do that on Tuesday or is that something we can just do since the money's out there?

I don't think the employee needs to be on there because it was approved hiring a temporary employee. It didn't put a length of time. The money's in the budget, so he just was kind of giving it to his information.

When I first talked about it, I limited it to a week or two, but we didn't put it in that when the resolution was made in a minute, so it wasn't recorded that way. I just didn't want to hold him over and Yes, talk to the appropriate judge about what it costs to scan. Very cheap right now.

You see his number, what he put in the budget. I know. I'm getting it done a lot cheaper.

That's it. Can you shed a little bit of light on the

If you scan all those documents in, or whatever you scan them into, is that the public record then? No, these are not. These are just in my camera system. Why would they not be public records? That question's been asked, and they were. If they're scanned from public records and still held in your office, they become public records. And they didn't come in here from India to do title work on your computer. Does that make sense? We try to control the India part of it. I know you try to, but if it becomes public record and there's a lawsuit, how do you control it?

Well, if it's public record, in our office, you have to come in and use our computers to access it.

Well, you do because you told them to.

Well, I do because I control it that way.

I know, but you don't have the right to control the public record if it's public on a computer. If they have a right to get into your computer.

We're getting over here in his territory.

He's going to be checking on that to be sure we don't go too far on this digitizing stuff to the point where everything we put under digital is then public record. Part of our records that are printed that are public records, we're aware of that. But once you digitize them, is the digital footprint.

We have some records that we have digitized that are not public records. And we keep them in a file in our system that is not.

But aren't those those that are sort of like the juvenile records? Those are not public for a lot.

Right. Now, to clarify, these maps are maps that have been in storage and nobody's looked at them forever. The only person that would need to look at it.

You're trying to get stuff that's bulked in in a pile is your goal. I think the only time we're going to run into issues is in the last 30 years when you're basically doing title search.

Well, a title search person would be the only person that would have to go back.

Who's the place? Yeah, they can come on over and do it. No, they can do it off their computer, I think. What I'm saying is, we don't want to be one of the people in Alabama that leads the way, opening the door to title searches to people anywhere. Because it's been done a few places, and it's come up in some meetings, and that's That's why you're doing it to... We're doing it to preserve... Keep having to put everything in a file cabinet.

Yep, so we can preserve...

But if somebody else grabs a hold of it for the other reason, there may not be any way to slow that down and you've affected an entire industry. So that's the point I made in the other room.

I guess to what you're saying, he could possibly at some point in time cut out pile companies. Completely. People that do title searches, he's saying if it's public knowledge, it wouldn't have to require someone to pay $500 to do a title search.

We've got one state that I saw a demonstration done on this, and it was Texas. Texas did these things as a state. We're going to digitize all our stuff because we can put it in a computer thing this big instead of a room full of file caps. Right. Okay, now that they're having title searches down there, a few dollars online from some title company nobody's ever heard of. the industry. Plus, I don't trust it. I don't trust that we're protecting the title for that piece of property. But it's title companies. They're doing the documents.

Well, at this time, anybody that researches those mouths has to come to the office. And where I'm storing it in my computer is in the office. It's on a website that's only accessible to us. That's pretty safely compartmentalized, I would think. Yeah, and I think that covers us for that. If we put any of them out public, then they would all have to go public. But if we hold them all in our system, the only access is through our system, and you've got to be in our office to access it. We have public computers now that are in the foyer that they can come and research. But that's the only access I have is in our office.

Like the DA's office, for instance, their records are, you know, like anything having to do with grand jury, that's a confidential proceeding. That's all, you know, but they have case management software and all of their stuff that happens inside of that is compartmentalized. And so that's not something that's accessible. It's not a public record.

But that's in the code. That's protected. Right. The code, in his case, it's a piece of property. Who owned it 35 years ago is a public record now. It's just in a book instead of thing here is don't move it over into an area where the computer has the same rights as the book.

I think you've got to have a subscription to access it, right? You guys.

To title information on the internet?

Well, to lawsuits and any kind. You've got to pay every month.

Right. Or you can go to the clerk's window and access it there.

But it's very cheap. Right. Relatively speaking, if I was going to base a business on it and I'd give me an attorney, I'd pay my fee and get it to him. I just remember when I mentioned to them it was Texas. They got title searches out there being done online for $50. Because they're not in the computer. Because it should have had them in. I'm out on limb here a little bit. I know that was brought to me by some attorneys that were concerned about their title. Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Ken.

Thank you, Ken.

There you go.

I didn't want you leaving without one conflicting bout to make you go home and say, what did he say?

Yeah.

Okay, Miss Tina. Okay. Man, y'all better wipe this out. Y'all do it pretty good. I've got another mate to meet. Okay, we need to hurry.

I don't want to. Y'all need to be thinking about who you want to serve on the leadership of St. Clair this year.

We've got anybody who has to meet. Yes. We've got anybody. We've got anybody. Mm-hmm.

The road department, probate, or revenue.

I'll ask around.

It wants to go.

We have several in our office that serve, but not everybody. But I'll check.

See if probate or revenue, see if they let anyone there go.

And sometimes they send someone anyway.

We've got the man in the back right there. Circulated email. He wants to go.

Yeah, Roddy at B&H. I haven't seen his picture.

Roddy ain't got time to go.

I got a class on leadership to tell you how to get a gas line.

Okay, next item is what Ronnie spoke of earlier. It's going to be information item of the news about Roseanne George filling the vacant housekeeping position. And on three, Community Corrections Director Mark Young's reception is Thursday, July the 3rd at Hill City Commission Chambers. For the ones that is not aware, he is...

They're retiring.

Well, I don't know if he's retiring or going somewhere else. He's been great to work with, but he is the Director of Community Corrections.

Mark's a good guy.

He is. So if y'all want to attend that, and then... Item four is just an update working with Aaliyah. They are working on an MOU between Aaliyah and the county. So once they get that prepared, I'll send it to Kurt for his review. And they are starting to publish their move, which will be in November 2nd. They will be into the new location.

I did too.

I saw that.

We got in the back back there. We're going to need it. Yeah, I rode back there yesterday. But it's crowded. They got to still pave it. I noticed the shrubs still on the side of the building here. I guess they cut them up. We're going to lay them there. Between the little side drive and the house next door.

Where are you asking?

I'm sorry.

You got the road. You got that right on this side. Fine. On this side, on the side where we got the sidewalk. Sidewalk side. There's a bunch of shrubs there right there up against the house.

So I think Leanne's been working on that mostly. We can talk with Leanne about getting them shrubs.

Have him check with Spire about sure there ain't no gas left in the shrubs. We still have work to do on that alley.

Yes. We got to twirl the dugout, put gravel in there for time being right now. We got to go deeper and put some geosynthetic fabric in there to make it stronger. And then you're going to have to pave all that right in there for handicapped type back into the alley. Yes, sir. On this little side, the side here, you're not going to do anything. You're going to run down inside the house here.

The alley? Yeah. It's going to be paved. We plan on paving it. They said they would like to have parked their driver test vehicle there.

Okay. Yeah, because I looked at it yesterday, too. It's got a pretty good little bit of room still right there.

Yeah.

Notice all the corn stakes are there. Did they put any metal stops where them corn stakes are or them wood ones? Because I know them wood ones are going to get pulled up.

Yeah, that's just flagging. I went by and looked. I told him if there's not a pin there, set one. And he said that's normal. He would do that.

I didn't walk up there and look beside the stop and see if it's. He scored though.

One corner's in the sidewalk and he scored it. Where the power pole is. I'll put my finger on it.

I think it was for me. There you go, that turn again.

Well, unless y'all have questions for me, I don't have anything to report to you.

You're going to do that, right? We'll give you some stuff to work on.

Maybe next time you have something to work, tell us. There you go. A little report on these little things that you've been wondering about. Get our wondering mode under control. There you go. No questions for Kirk? Everybody good? All right. Okay, moving on to the general agenda of our work session. Number one, discuss request trade name, dollar general store.

We postponed it for two weeks, right? We're ready to go now.

We'll be on there Tuesday. Two. Discuss FY27. Municipal cooperative, we did that in the work session. Anybody got any more things to add on that today?

Item three.

He's working on that. Discuss municipal contract fees for 27. We worked on that. Item four. Discuss request 9-1-1 Director Ashlyn Campbell to surplus and dispose of the following items. You see those items? Go through those and see if there's any of them you think could be used somewhere else.

She says they're broken and have no value.

That black leather high back chair is a pretty good chair.

Is it?

She's throwing it away. She's putting it on go. That's what she's doing. It says dispose. It says it's no value.

I've not seen the chair.

Her value may be different. Okay. We'll check that chair out. I'll get Lynn or Ronnie.

Has anybody mentioned the RAV4? That's just a rhetorical question. Okay. Item five, discuss approval of FY26 certified emergency manager salary supplement. So that's that $17,000 that we Help pay for it.

Yes, sir. And you've already signed, so we'll ratify your signature. Okay.

Item six. Discuss request revenue commission. Ken Crowe. Surplus those following items. Dual wireless radio. Dual wireless radio. You might check that one out. Samsung Smart TV. All right, y'all saw those. Those will be on the item to be disposed of. I'm going to let y'all find somebody to use them. Special request, sir, for Billy Murray to renew Virtual Academy Solutions annual subscription amount of $3,825 per year. This will be paid for by the Sheriff's Earmarks Discretionary Fund 194. Is that on the agenda? Item 8. Special request, sir, for Billy Murray to purchase two iPads, $499.99 each. For a total one-time cost of $999.98, the devices will be added to the Verizon bill and will incur a recurring service charge of $20 a month for each iPad. In the future, two additional iPads need to be purchased for the transition. A copy of the Quote Justification Implementation Plan is in your work session folder. Okay. This is one of those that's also tied into the phone system.

It's Project Lifesaver equipment.

Yeah.

Okay. That's what it is.

Okay. I just want to try to keep them as much, at least IT people ought to know what we're buying. Yes. So that they're as compatible as possible, which I think the iPad would be. Out of nine, discuss, request your opinion, Mary, to declare a 2004 Four Winds Travel Truck. Donate to the town of Raglan. So, looks like we're talking about declaring it surplus and donate it. Whatever the process is.

Hey, Tina, the iPads, did they say that would be an amendment?

No. Didn't say. Didn't say that.

They tell you it's going to be amended on us and they can take it out one another again

If it's an amendment, it might be used. Would that be under a line for technology or telephone?

I guess it depends on how they do it. If we're purchasing the iPads, that would be an asset code. And then the servicing of those iPads would be on the cell phone bill every month. It's going to be on the Verizon bill.

Okay. That would be something to know. I'm going to charge them. Item 10, SCUSS recommendation, property manager Rodney Wood. Did he mention that? Secure Tech Systems Inc. Maintenance contract, two years, amount of $4,881. It's a renewal. That's the new panic buttons they did. What did they do?

No, it's just a renewal to service. That's this thing. Okay.

You mean it cost us $4,881 a year for us not to mash the button? Yep. Yep. Pretty much. All right. Item 11. Increasing mileage rate from 72.5 cents to 76 cents per mile for the county's use of personal vehicle effective July the 1st, 2026 in accordance with St. Clair County policy number two amended in 1999, which bases the county's mileage rate on the rate paid by state of Alabama. Okay. Okay. Item 12, discuss travel requests. You have travel requests listed? Yes, we do. Peruse those. If you have any questions. It's a little bit different here than there. You've got the one that would affect us, of course, you've got the 911 Summit. That's the workshop in Prattville. Any of you that could go as part of the 911 board, you'd mix and mingle with the boards from the rest of the state, which is not all bad. Then the ACCA annual convention in Orange Beach, and of course that is commissioners, administrators, engineers, etc. Then the 9-1-1 Gulf Coast Conference in Orange Beach. The same people that will be at the 9-1-1 summit will be at that Gulf Coast Conference. So one of the other work on whoever you can uh get with to mix and mingle as a 9-1-1 board so you can kind of know what's going on uh item uh new commissioner's orientation uh oh that's something i wanted to ask about new commissioner's orientation that's like uh right after the new commissioners come in?

Yes, and we've already let Katrina and Mr. Dave know that.

Okay, good, good, good, good. And I was going to check and see one of the counties, they had a new commissioner come to the ACCA conference, go But it was okay. The examiners allowed them to do that for transition. But the person was basically in a transition team mode to transition over. So I want to check and see what Dave may want to go or Katrina may want to go and see what. I mean, when I first went to work, as I'm sure you go to the first ACCA conference and say, out what we kind of need to be part of this.

Well those classes that are required to take, I think it's 50 hours? Yeah. Those are really helpful.

Yeah, you really have to have them. You kind of would get your feet wet on that conference about as quick as anything because it's such a problem. Administrators, engineers, everybody. So if you would check and see if it is legitimate for us to put in a transition format there to pay those people's way to the ACCA conference. We'll talk with the ACCA.

We've got to confirm with the ACCA, too, because you have to be a member.

That's right. Yeah, but I think it would be helpful for them to go. If they can be. A couple of months before. Okay. And then ACCA annual legislative conference, December 2nd and 3rd. We'll be there, sir. We'll do a provision. Yeah, a provision. Out of 13, discuss board appointments. Anybody have any board appointments?

Yeah, so where Jolie called me, he resigned. Health care authority? He resigned from the health care authority. Oh, wow. So we're going to have to put somebody else on there. Don't hold that and put me on the health care authority.

I wouldn't put you on there. Yeah, because elected officials could be on it. We're going to be going to the hospital and those kind of things. Y'all think about that anyway. I could legitimately serve. It's no pain. Y'all think about that.

Unless y'all got somebody to survive it. So we can hold it. Right now he's not going to eat. Because right now I go to every meeting anyway as an ex-officio.

Yeah, he's already resigned. Yeah, he's already resigned. His term ends April the 30th. So whoever we appoint, their term will go through that. 2030. Go through 2030. Yes, sir.

To finish out his term.

Okay, that's all we've got on the agenda. You've got a little stack of things to go through here.

Everything that you always wanted to know, but didn't about putting out a spire gas line partners office information. This increased terrible.

Yes, sir. When I stand up, I forgot to mention that your time. Okay. May I add 1 thing? Yes, sir. To get to my overtime. Pay Adam is probably going to. Oh, yeah, get surpassed this Friday.

Clay, the road department, Michelle's got, they've gone through the year with three or four vacancies. And his overtime budget that he had in the budget, he's pretty well wiping it out. Is that transferable from the payroll budget into overtime without us having a budget amendment?

Yes, you could move money from the salary line to the overtime line to...

So let's see if you've got money left in salary because you have several vacancies.

I would wait until the end of the year, fiscal year, to see what needs to be done.

I bet you've got money.

Is it okay to go in a negative?

Because he's got some that's going to be working tomorrow and Saturday, probably, if the weather lets him, right? Okay. I think she can double check, let you know pretty quick whether that's good for tomorrow.

Yeah, no, yeah, it'll be okay.

Anybody else with a commission? All right. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.