County Commission - Regular Meeting

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We'll get started here in a few minutes on our work session. This is our Thursday work session. We have a Thursday work session prior to our regular county commission meetings, which are held on the second and fourth Tuesday of every month. So this is the work session prior to the. 2nd, Tuesday of the month commission meeting coming up next week and today's work session will help us to discuss and prepare an agenda for next week's meeting, depending on the things that we discussed today in the work session and and work them out as as we feel like need to be addressed and. Do we have do we have consensus ready to move up or down sort of what this measures for 1 thing without actually having a vote, which we can't have on this. But we do get an idea without going into a meeting and knowing something's not ready yet. So we try to try to ready everything at this at this particular meeting. So that's what the work says in 4 and of course, 1 of the big things that we got going on. in saint claire county uh is is uh rhodes the department of transportation which is the uh uh if it wasn't the sears department would be the largest funded uh part of our organization i guess and uh so tell us what you're gonna do for us in the next few weeks clay all right our county engineer and he's got a

uh work session agenda there that you have in front of you and he will go over each one of those and we'll see what we need to do to address those and move them forward okay us bringing up speed on our crews the uh base the paving crew has been in the uh district two the lazy v lakes and uh finishing up uh the roads along copper springs right now Should be through next week, end of next week before they finish the Copper Springs roads. Of course, the base crews have been on Kelly Creek Road moving forward on getting the clear zones ready for the project to be led. The safety widening project. The US 411 Kerr Road, they're working as rain allows them. They're moving forward. Okay, item number two. Discuss an offer from Nexstrand, a Mack dealer, to swap our current six 2026 Mack trucks that we have on hand right now with brand new 2026 trucks with zero miles or near zero miles in the, which it would actually, and be brand new warranties associated with them. Got that call yesterday and I've been working on How we can do that with Michelle and Tina, and we've had some information we've learned from one more county that's already agreed to do it. And so as long as we cut POs of $1, that's what the other county is doing. They determined that they can cut a PO for $1 for each truck. They have eight they're going to swap out. And because it'd be no miles and a new warrant, it would be a benefit. So that's covering the benefit, accounting of the benefit in Lauderdale County's eyes. And of course, we haven't run this across Kirk yet or County Attorney yet. Okay.

Right. Kirk is in the loop on it.

He is?

Yes. On the swap of a truck? Yes.

Yes.

Yes. He mentioned that maybe we might, since it's a new transaction, do some type of an agreement. He's down there in the class as well with Susie and Corey, so he's working on that. Okay. He's in the loop with the dollar on the PO and all that.

Good. I knew he was in the loop. I didn't I haven't had a decision.

So we're giving them our old 26 trucks and they're giving us new 26 trucks. Both of them are 26 so they'll be identical trucks.

Six months old, the new ones will be black beds and our current ones are red. Same specs as the other truck, big cab. Yes, same 16-foot steel body Logan dump beds and Mack truck G granite 64FR model Mack tri-axle chassis.

And Kirk did say that we might need...

something written from the dealership okay i got a verbal confirmation from him today but those are the pictures that he sent me of the trucks they have uh pendle hitches and uh spreader bars on all of them uh they didn't want to have to slow the process down i noticed they got aluminum wheels how the trucks at so they're taking six you vehicle come on

replacing the six new ones. Well, or nearly new. All the nearly new for a dollar per. Yes. Or one dollar or six dollars.

I don't know what the benefit is to them, but it's a win-win.

Having discussed the thing back when it first started years ago, when we started doing these things and rotating them out once a year, what's in it for them? We started that way back. Why are they doing this? What is in it for them? Back then, the discussion basically ended up being this is the best way for MAC and NextTran to put more vehicles in circulation without going through the new vehicle process. Now, if you go to buy you a new car, you get new car financing. If you go buy a used car, you don't get new car financing. So that's to get more. They do that with a lease program for cars. So it's something similar to that. This will put more vehicles into circulation, not just with the county, but totally. They're now available for the market. Whereas if we gave them to the county and then waited on these other customers to walk in, they would have to order a new truck, and it would have to be manufactured. This gives them a method of stabilizing their manufacturing flow. They know how many trucks they're going to have to fix because they've got X number of governments buying them.

You did say they overpurchased...

from the manufacturer. So that's kind of what it is. This is to get those trucks either out of the way or more into circulation.

So the dealer gets an incentive to move new trucks off the lot. There you go.

Pretty much it. What's that new truck cost at today's market? What's one of those trucks cost, Clay?

Around $210,000, I believe.

$210,000. You want one? We'll sell you one for $211,000. Are they automatic? Yeah, they're automatic. Yeah, well, if it ain't, we'll make it. Yeah. Yeah. Air-conditioned.

But they've got the offer made to several other counties that do business with them.

Yeah, I've got a little television set up.

You want one of those? We're winning on that, don't we?

Yeah.

Well, I'll give you my dollar now.

I'll give you your dollar for your truck. Yeah, yeah. Other than that, that's the best I can do to explain this. This has been talked about before. What is in it for Mac? And what is in it back then? It was what is in it for Caterpillar. They were a big one because they figured out a way to get more Caterpillars into circulation because a big part of their market is not county government. They're not Alabama or it's not the United States. It's the world. And back in the day when Mac, I mean, when Caterpillar did it, Jeff, you'll remember, get more big machines out there made and sold firsthand so they could buy them back and sell them for more money in Africa, in the diamond pits, for instance. They literally make more money in a bigger market. So it's the worldwide market is what it does.

We've got to make sure the specs are the same as what we currently have.

We're benefiting from it if everything's the same. But when do we need to

agreed to that offer tuesday so you know to move on uh and and um if i can tell him pending uh approval tuesday well he said he would hold them if i can tell him uh pending tuesdays if i don't buy this silver gmc today he's got a man that's gonna come in here and get it

That sounds to me like an old salesman's tree.

I mean, worst case scenario.

Yeah, that's right. Ronnie Martin. Yeah, I see. So you need an indication today of the temperature of the commission on this deal.

Make sure we get an email to that effect from what they're going to do instead of a verbal. Something in writing. Okay.

i have an abbreviated version on my text on my cell phone but yeah okay and then we can put that letter with our documentation also okay number three we didn't make any money on that but we didn't lose any is that right well another thing i forgot to mention is I'm not planning on getting new tracks for this coming year. So it's even more of a present out of the sky.

Oh, you're going to put them in your budget for this coming year anyway. That's right. I got you. OK. Got them anyhow.

You got them anyhow, you can call it no money.

win-win in here but i got 13 of them so maybe there is okay any question any more questions about that particular one it'll be on the agenda tuesday to take some action on okay okay number three since we've uh made a new position that's going to be uh hopefully filled tuesday with a my recommendation that position needs a new uh pickup truck The dealership that we already purchased two Chevrolet pickup trucks says they still can get them for the same price. And we have money already in our one r112 heavy equipment budget line heavy equipment budget line and this is a pickup truck and so i called michelle earlier in the week and she said yes but it would have to be some sort of an amendment not amending new monies that weren't actually budgeted but switching monies existing budget monies toward another fund goes from 112 to 111. it's not new monies budgeted are coming out of monies that were not budgeted it's existing budgeted dollars it just has to go to another fund you're talking about a purchase in this budget right now not waiting till october one's budget yes

So we got the money.

So you have it currently budgeted in road and building to buy a piece of equipment with that is now not going to be bought.

Correct.

Pickup trucks get bought out of gas tax fund, which is fund 111. It's a different fund. But road and building puts money in gas tax. So they're interconnected, but there is amendments that will have to be done to get that all switched and moved to purchase a truck. It would be approving the purchase.

We don't have a truck now that'll get us into October till we do another truck. You got trucks and we've got them scattered all over the county. Sheriff's Department has trucks. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate somewhat. It's kind of like, what if you catch us one day and you really convince us that we need a $300,000 item that we don't really need and to make it feel like they call it in the real estate business a soft landing, you really just wanted a $100,000 item. So you come back and later on you say, we really didn't need the $300,000, but I would like to have this $100,000 that you probably would have got anyway. Mr. Kempis, we're doing it that way.

I think we could We can make that happen because I didn't realize the intricacies of moving from 112 to 111.

Yeah. I just kind of hate to purchase a new vehicle when you just said no more purchases from now until the end of the month.

Okay.

That's fine. But if we've got a truck, an adequate truck. good and all that we put this in the budget for next year instead of instead of just because we had it using because we've already cost another department just because you have it right here at the end of the year we're going to be watching that you don't use it unless you need So if you can do that. I said that so Commissioner Parker wouldn't have to.

I'd already told him.

I was anticipating that.

But I've learned so much in the last three minutes.

Oh, I'm telling you. There you go.

all right moving on to number four um back in in april or or march i believe it was uh it was it was discussed but never voted on it was discussed to uh do a contract with springville to do some paving for them. And the agreement was written up and the Town Council of Springville has approved it and it's signed. These are the dollar figures that was discussed. As I understand it from notes from other people's notes from that meeting that on the tuesday it wasn't ever voted on to be approved so uh we need uh tuesday we need to actually uh vote on it in the minutes and then uh we'll need a signature because i have the couple of questions to get this all out there at one time that's the uh is that the agreement we said that we would pay for ball field parking lots just ball field parking lots and the agreement was that the city of springville would be

73,922 dollars and 50 cents and the county's amount would be 12,450 dollars based on the way we do these paving projects for the municipality. Is that correct?

That is correct.

So that gets discussion the figures. This is for that 80 projects that we all said we would do where I think it's I think that's just grab right now. Yeah. So this would put this back into play where it can be signed, right?

Yes.

I think Springville came to speak. Yes. And then it just was not on the agenda, the following agenda.

Yeah, right. Yes. Okay. Father, did you have any schedule to go ahead and do this year? Do you know what's going to be done?

I believe it's our belief that we can get in there the week of July 20th and get it done.

Okay.

Okay.

All right, we'll clean that up.

Number five is agreement with Riverside to replace the pipe on Sprayberry Road in Riverside. Riverside's amount is $16,910.42. Our amount of the agreement is $5,059.64, and it's needed. The pipe's starting to cave in at the haunches, so it's very rusted out. It'll be a big help.

What size pipe is it?

Corrugated metal pipe. What size? It's a 48. It's in there, and we're going to go back with a 60-inch, so it'll handle more water in the future for future development.

This one just happens to be in the Riverside portion of Sprayberry Road. I'm going out to Sprayberry Road. It's in the unincorporated part of the county, the city of Pell City, and the city of Riverside, right?

That's correct. 300 feet from our jurisdictional. That one stone. All right. Probably two. Two? Well, that's labor and half the labor and equipment. How many pieces of pipe? Oh, it's going to be 40 feet.

40 feet.

So 220 foot. 220 foot sticks and the band.

22,000 to do that.

Yes. My apologies. Yes, those two figures combined. Yes, that's the agreement amount.

Okay.

Ready to move on that? Yeah, we did. We didn't really need to make that. At least put it in. We just took $22,000 that was going to be yours to spend and decided to spend it since you weren't here. Nothing would surprise me. No, that was the pipe we were signing. Yeah. Might be able to put it on the list for Tuesday. Yeah.

Number six is a discussion agreement with Odenville to pave the town's portions of Hearst Road and Potter Lane. We wanted to, we've been needing to pave our portion already. So it's kind of a win-win. And so Odenville's, to pave Odenville's portion, materials and half labor and half equipment is $57,055.64. That's Hearst and Potter Lane, their portion. And of course, our amount of that agreement is $16,624.12. Y'all ready to move on that? Okay. Okay. Several months ago, we brought up a grant that we'd been approved from the Federal Highway Administration for the SS4A program. And so we have... Sent an agreement to them, an agreement that they've basically approved. We sent the agreement to them and they've sent it back signed and we need to get it signed before we move forward on the SS4 grant project, which is to develop a comprehensive safety plan with a number of temporary demonstration projects.

Does it name those demonstration projects in the plan?

No. That's part of the, uh, of the project is to develop.

The locations and the project doesn't name any particular projects right now.

That's correct.

Okay. And that's that safe streets for all.

Yes.

Okay. Don't move on that.

okay that will be a a reimbursable though since it's straight from the federal government right okay thank you it's a 90 10 split okay number eight discuss awarding an rfq number uh 26 2026-40 for engineering services for the ss4a grant project

Same project, this is for the engineering services, right?

Yes, and I'll have a recommendation before y'all do. Okay, number nine, discuss having recommendations for one foreman, one safety coordinator, four equipment operator ones, and three road worker twos for Tuesday. And that's going to allow us hopefully either by the end of next week or the Monday after to post in-house and outside concurrently for six road worker one positions.

We're already on the book. It's going to happen.

Correct.

Go ahead and move on that. Yeah. Okay.

And good luck. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Cross fingers. Okay, number 10 is I want to discuss a utility permit application that Alvin Power has provided to us. It's a project where they're needing to replace some Phase 3 power poles on Old Coast City Road. And it's going to be done on Saturday, July the 25th. And it's only between from... Florida Road moving northward toward to Pleasant Valley Road. It'll be closed off. They have a very elaborate, and it's a short detour, but they have an elaborate drawing for that detour. It's rather short. And they're going to hire Melissa Scott, the engineering charge in Pell City, stated that they're gonna they're hiring a safety company that they hire They hire police officers that are employed by the municipalities that they're going to be working around. So emergency call won't have to pull those police officers away. So it's a good stable security situation there. Of course, there'll be barricades up because it's closed. But in case of a first responder incident, they'll be able to, first responders will be able to get in there. and do what they do and then get back out.

Utility construction on Coal City Road permit requested from Alabama Power Company and the traffic control will be provided by Alabama Power Company. Are you ready for that? Yeah, let's put it on Tuesday.

Okay, number 11, license agreement, a new license agreement with CIMS, County Information Management System. We've been dealing with them for years. And over the past few years, they've migrated to a cloud-based system. And also they've been building up and enhancing their system and the services that they can provide through the software. So they're moving forward toward upping the price of the agreement. There's two options. The first one is if we do it immediately come October 1, it's $1,000 a month. And they're offering to have unlimited mobile user licenses or operation the downloads of applications. And then also, but we're going to get one terabyte, we would get one terabyte of cloud storage. And the second option is an incremental option where in three years, and then from there on, it'll be $1,050 a month, but it'll be limited to 50 mobile user applications and just 250 gigabytes of cloud storage. What do we pay now? $750.

Your recommendation?

That we take the option one.

Okay, y'all ready for that? On Tuesday, okay. As a tech team, they all know about this.

They know about SIMS. I haven't discussed, I don't know.

This normally makes sure they know if any kind of technology changes that we've got.

I've discussed with Glenn last week about using some iPads and telephones with the SIMS system. Number 12. back in the spring that I discussed with the commission about the contracts to go into effect June 1 when Dan's retirement was effective. And I'm pretty sure I brought up the fact that I wanted a five-year contract because Dan's contracts up until this very last three-year contract was worth, he had two five-year contracts. And the code 11-6-1 states that the county engineer can have a five-year contract. And he's the only person that the commission can have a five-year contract period.

In discussing with Clay, you can't do that for the other, the assistant, the engineer trainee, et cetera, et cetera. But you can do that for the engineer. And this will be the same way we did for Dan, except Dan's, that sort of clouded it a little bit. His last one that we did was to keep him on board for three years.

I thought we talked about that already.

Yeah, we just didn't take action on it, though. So we need to take action on it to be sure and clear up that, because you've got a recommendation from staff somewhere about a three-year contract, right? Make sure that that's approved in a meeting for a five.

So we approved the contracts a few meetings ago. So it's just a question about three-year or five-year contract, right?

Yes. So we approved it for three.

Well, we just approved the contract.

Make sure that it specifies five years. Right. Okay. All right.

All right. Last but not least, number 13.

Discuss subdivision regulations for St. Clair County. Right. So can we put the, just take off D-I-S off of that? You got that? Take the D-I-S off of the first word? Yeah. Took you a while.

Thank you for going crazy, I guess. So, the last meeting, the commission approved pending the addition of some language for savings clause and for sewage, on-site sewage systems. And limit the county's. Liability in case of a failure. So. In everything except what the law firm, I think several, maybe at least two judges and a current attorney pitched in on the language, the rest of the subdivision regs are substantially what they were for the last several months, and that's what was draft form that's already been shown so if you want me to point out the changes I can or just how do you wish me to proceed is your question so far they've been listed on our website is draft when do you want to take the draft Well, some changes have been made that were not in the draft. That were not in the draft, okay. That's correct. So I can review those changes with you now, or how do you all prefer me to do it?

I know the changes have been made to it.

Kurt's already made changes. He has. So we vote on it as an amendment to the original. I think we vote to finally...

finalize it well then that's something I guess we could talk about we have we've both finalized it but it doesn't go into effect for 30 days after we vote to finalize it so right now it's a draft it was approved at the last meeting to approve it pending review of the county attorney and then presented to the engineer for approval some changes were made and it would be something if you desire to vote on Tuesday it goes into effect Tuesday with these changes Such big regulations are in effect. Changes go in effect on Tuesday.

Will they go in effect on Tuesday or does it have to be 30 days?

When do we take the draft that says draft across every page when you read it on our website? Put that on there Tuesday. After Tuesday. Because I keep getting questions from people, I see that's still a draft. Probably not a draft once we say we voted for it. It's pending county attorney review. It's not really a draft anymore.

Design standards, everything is the same.

It's just... Just the savings clause in the on-site sewage language that Kirk and Judge Hill had been working on for... And they also changed...

Them two we grandfathered in, they changed the setbacks on that.

Correct.

So that would be all the changes.

So, I think we put it over on Tuesday. Tuesday.

Marching orders on that.

Yep. Yep. We'll, we'll have a. We'll have a version without the highlights on it.

You took up Rodney's time. Rodney, you didn't go in on time. You took up all your time. Mr. Chairman, that 30-day starts when? After Tuesday.

After this Tuesday, if they vote.

We've accepted the county attorney's review. Then it's now nailed down and the day will start the 30 days from that then they go into effect correct and then any kind of amendments we make does each amendment require 30 days it'll be all one vote after that i mean oh he's talking about like a subsequent amendment okay Some of those amendments could be significant. Some of them just be a little minor things, but like a major amendment. It takes 30 days for it to go into effect. Okay. So you can take draft off of it as of Tuesday if it's voted through, except in the county attorney's review. And 30 days from that, that review that doesn't say draft on it anymore will be the subdivision regulations.

That's correct.

Thank you.

Anybody got any more questions for clay? He did mention, though, he did mention that, uh, speaking of the 1 issue, we had the 1M dollars for the bridge Riverside and the project from the state. Uh, that is a project that we pay and then they reimburse how to do the bypass and there was some discussion here about the Riverside, the city Riverside need to help pay for their portion of the road. That's going to be a bypass was nowhere else to put up a detour. That is the detour. So, but the point for Riverside is there are no houses or nobody living in city limits Riverside on that portion of the road. So, if Riverside doesn't want to participate, I think just making that, uh, uh, okay. Detour, in other words. Fix the potholes and tar and gravel as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying we need to. Worry about fixing a major road there. Just get it where it's a decent.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think we can restrict the data when the bridge is going on to, uh.

non-truck local traffic only and any any trucks would have to go back down that kind of way yeah yeah okay that's the best there you go right and while we're on that one thing the one thing i have questioned on from way back on that particular road uh at one point of time i don't know whether the city any city but if the city votes to close the road They can't close a road to the people that own property on that road. But if you don't have anybody on that road, for instance, let's just say, oh, there's 4 property owners and it's all right with them to close the road. Well, there's 1 property owner. Nobody asked St. Claire. We don't probably on that road. We own the rest of the roadway. So, I think 1 entity that has to be asked. If it's okay to close the road as an owner is. It's a through road. And we own property for the rest of the road. So I think as we go forward, when we have a city looking at that, they want to close the road. That road literally stops being the city. Let's just use Sprayberry for an example. The city closes their portion. But the old city doesn't close theirs, or the county doesn't close theirs, and now the part in the middle is closed. We really can't do that. So I think the one landowner we need to... To consider is the county is a landowner on that road. We own the right away beyond. So that's 1 of the landowners. It has to be asked if it's okay to close the road. That makes sense. Mr. Attorney. It makes sense to me. Mr. So, if we go forward, we wouldn't have that kind of confusion. We kind of had before. Okay.

Okay, anything else.

Uh, and, uh, at place report, I know we've got Nikki van belt is here where she's here visiting as a board member, the county board of education, or as part of Alabama power and just a citizen. And we have, uh, we have a conditioner elect. Uh, Katrina Henning's back there. Uh, that's that's here visiting also and, uh, we appreciate y'all being here. Of course, have her corner and I think everybody else here staff. No, we have we have a person that's, I think possibly represent Margaret sometimes because he works for the city of Margaret. Now is helping them do some of their planning for the future things that's going on in Margaret. Uh, so appreciate y'all being here also with our staff. So, all right. I just wanted to point those out is. But y'all know this is a work session, and as not members of the staff or whatever, y'all have a place to jump in here also, so just let me know. Okay, moving on to Roddy Wolfe.

Come on, you got five minutes. We're going to restrict you. I'll leave five long if you don't ask for it.

You can use it all the time.

Let me just say this for you and get started. Y'all done a great job over there.

Well, we have to keep flipping them back. Well, I started to, but the reason I didn't, I was afraid the wind would rip them. So I left them where they could flop and we decided to flip them.

But you have all the time in the world that you want to address this commission as long as it's intelligent things to address.

Sure, okay. Depends on who's taking it as intelligent or unintelligent. Let me put a little caveat in there for you. uh first layer guy uh we this week had our hell city chiller inspected and we got it we do and they found two leaks in it two leaks in the chiller two leaks in chiller waiting on carrier to come back with uh their fix on it if it's going to be a repair or if it's going to be a replacement There will be a cost in it probably if there's a replacement. Probably either way because I don't think refrigerant is covered under the warranty part of it because we are still under warranty on it until the end of November of this year. So the major cost of it will be out of. Next thing. Spire gas. i'll make a decision come tuesday on which way you want to go with it if you want them to do the line and the road restoration or just the line and the road department do the restoration that is the new amount they drop they drop the amount

That's number 11 on our list. Number 11 on the list, that's the number we go over. All right.

Well, we'll go ahead and email him back and tell him to have the agreement drawn up for running the line, no restoration.

I believe we have Clayton go in. All right. Sound good to me.

Was the contract out of them bringing it up with Crusher Run? Yes. I talked to him.

He said he'd compact it in up to ground level. They wouldn't let us backfill that gas line anyway. They backfill that gas line. It won't be on that.

It's going to be out there, Ronnie. Now, one other thing on that, because I don't know if we've talked about this, or it's been mentioned, because he did tell me they will not set the gas meter until the generators are in place and the gas lines are run over there. And they book the generator? They make the tap? Yes. Line will be there for them to Contractor has to put the gas light in and they'll connect it whenever they set the meter. Okay, other thing.

So it has the beds ready to go out for bed on the generators. Correct. They will be one at the same time.

Okay, last thing I got, I think I got copies of it. Last visit to the courthouse showing what all has been fixed stuff that still has to be addressed. The file on there that they're talking about that has to be replaced. And I should have highlighted it where I would have seen exactly where it was at on it. Oh, it's the HU2, it's on number 4. You notice they put on there, had been pushed out by mud. I disagree with that statement because this is on the cold water side. This is not coming out of the boilers. So if we had mud come in through there, it had to come from Pell City, from them fixing a water line somewhere, or else we'd have mud all in the building coming out. So I disagree with their statement on that, but they're supposed to fix it at no charge anyway. But I just wanted to say that. Let's see that on item four. The other thing they're talking about, which We'll do on the next go around, if we get it in the budget this coming year, if we're going to replace the rest of the VAV valves that are not working, VAV boxes, excuse me, is after they get replaced, purge the system then because we know what's going to happen when they start breaking more lines loose. We're going to have more junk back in there if we go ahead and purge it.

but our new filtering system is filter is it's getting cleaner every time we change it out we're basically now operating on the new repair there is that correct correct so any cost difference in operational costs such as our power bill and all would be uh now would be new compared to what we were chasing on the old. I'd like for us to look back and see what the power bills were running, say, four years ago and what they're running under the new to give us an idea. And I know that's going to be somewhat affected by the cost per kilowatt hour, I guess, by As far as operating expense, and then sort of keep up with what our maintenance is going to be on that system for a while and see, see what we did was was a good thing. So future commissioners can say, you know, we, we jumped out there and spend a 1Billion dollars and it still cost us more money to run it. And our maintenance still ran what it used to run. Why don't we just keep doing it a little bit every year? See what I'm saying? Right. Because this time we did go out there and spend a chunk.

Well, it won't just be the power bill. We'll have to look at the natural gas on it, too. Yeah, that's right.

We'll have to look.

All operational expenses. I do know. I do know the bowlers are not running nowhere near like they were. Okay. So it looks like it's more efficient. Yes.

That's the deal there. Okay. I just like that. As much money as we spend on this project, it'd be good to have that information for everybody who has to make decisions in the future. Let's just say that thing starts messing up two years from now. We need to look back and say, you know what? We can patch that thing every year. Cheaper than we spend a 1Million dollars at a time on it. We don't know that right now. Right? Okay.

Thanks. The other part of that is that number 4 that they have. Came out to fix, I think, twice and they have not got it fixed. to get. Every time we fire it up, the motor sits there and shakes a lad. And that's when I took a picture of it the other day and sent it to Mr. Horton and let him copy them on it because by it not working, every time the big courtroom upstairs gets full, when it gets loaded down with people, the PPMs jump. which they're still in a safe level. Even though it's in red, that's just where they set the alarm point. It can go on up further, but we know we need fresh air from that ERU pulling in in order to keep that level down. The way that's the one that they had, they couldn't just replace the unit. They had to take it in there in parts and put it back together. And when they set that motor up in there to run it, it's not stable. So whenever the motor kicks in and it starts turning that belt down. So it's a belt drive. Secure. To me, from what I looked at it, it's just the fact of going in there and adding some bracing to it to secure it.

Or hormone balancer. Yeah, I mean, it can't be a whole lot too bad. I mean, put a bracer or two pulleys when they're level.

It doesn't matter what happens. And that mud, water won't push that seal out and mud will.

According to what they said. I don't buy it. Well, I don't either, but like I said, that's why I disagree with it because it ain't mud because it's on the cold water side. It ain't off the bore side. But other than that, everything else, they've got all the other problems that we were having corrected, except for that leak and the ER. And as soon as they get those fixed, hopefully we'll have the closeouts on it to where we can... Everybody's happy as far as comfort. Pretty much. Except there's still a couple rooms, but it's rooms that the VAVs were not replaced in that they get a little cold or they might get a little warm. But out of my view of it from the way I look at it every day, there's only like three rooms that really get drastic. The rest of them are tolerable from what I see.

We need to make sure everybody's in agreement before we send that final payment.

Agree to that.

So can I meet you over there and look at that blower one morning or something?

Sure.

Friday, maybe?

Tomorrow?

Day Thursday. Okay. What time do you want me to open it? I don't know. Early. Early, the better. Okay. I'll holler at you.

Okay.

And that's all I got.

Do the districts have any questions for? Estimated completion of the pole barn or the equipment storage facility for county equipment at the road department. Uh, the pole. Not a contract, but pole barn.

building. They just now got the footers for it. The boats and all that ready for the iron. I guess they're waiting on iron. Yeah, they're shooting other bases.

Yeah, we're talking about dance. Yeah, dance.

And then the sheriff. They never brought them out for that one, so. Are the people building the building out there for you communicating with you about how long it's going to take? Are they on track? Do you think everything's good? They haven't had to hold up on waiting on the steel to be delivered, that kind of thing?

I don't know. I don't think so. Check them and see. Blake Phillips talks with them on a daily basis.

Okay, good. As long as they're communicating with us.

Oh, definitely, yes. It's the gator shed, ain't it? The gator shed. Got a sugar shack and we can have a gator shed.

A place for us to hang our deer.

Long story back then. Yeah. We need a place to hang our deer.

They should be ready for hiring. Those peers are ready.

And they told them to hang her out. If you hang your deer hangers four down, it's a good place. Get that night weather. All right. Thank you. All right. Ashley's not going to be here, so I think we all have a copy of her commission report in your files.

And this big thing there is just look through and see if there were any issues to report. You'll notice on the truck show. There was some thoughts about the surveillance and expectations, et cetera of the truckers running through and. uh get that bruise on all these things they end up making mess the only thing that i had was is as we look at these events and don smith talks about this in the economic development projects he calls it uh cannibalizing you don't you don't get one you don't get a new restaurant come into town if it's going to steal a bunch of customers from the other restaurant in town. You don't try to get those kind of businesses. Same thing's true out there at the arena. Had one call from one of the vendors that's regular out there, wanting to be sure that there was an entity doing business out there that was going to solicit for instance, from the same contributors. that they're used to soliciting from. We have shows and they actually ask for donations from everything. We've got a new one coming in that's now starting to ask for donations from the same people. Then the next time the one we've been dealing with for years goes for their show, those people already gave it to us. So we kind of ran into that a little bit. So that is something to look at. Keep an eye on out there and just maybe discuss that with Ashley. I'm sure she, she needs to be made aware that a vendor. That has things out there is a little concerned that. Somebody else out there might be soliciting from the same. They already do that on a little beauty scale. You don't have 3 food trucks all serving hot dogs. But it wasn't the food trucks. It was something else.

So I guess the electrical line's in. It's been trenched.

I know she told me yesterday they were working on it. Yeah.

The electrical line has been trenched.

We're busy out there. Yes. Yep. Okay. Moving on to Captain Brady.

uh our short term short timer and he and rick here have an inner cycle they haven't they haven't they haven't a lot of conflict conflagration let's let uh captain philip bernard give us some information he won't discuss with a couple of things there

That's a lot of paper. It is.

We're going to discuss homework and discuss the model department.

I don't know. I don't know.

something like this a little colorful sort of feeds into your drawings there right in case you ever Then you can wait a little while. Yes, sir.

So we'll start out with the HVAC and the control room there at the jail. We had a lot of technology in there. We got a lot of computers and a lot of screens and a lot of investment in that room. It takes a lot to cook that room. and we've looked at the load on it, and about the only way to get the temperature in that room to where we need it to not have to replace screens and computers any more than we already have. I think we've replaced two screens and three computers. It's close to 10 grand, I think Chris said already in there. Because of the heat, all of that equipment produces heat itself, and it's just, it's overloaded what the flow is in that room. So, I got 2 quotes on air conditioning unit itself. 1 was from Allen services and the other was from mechanical. Allen's was for 11,900 for mini split and mechanical was 15,090. only 1 electrician. wanted to do it and that's acroelectric and then and that's they'll run the wire for the unit and do the roof penetration through the roof and then the pitch pocket on the roof to keep it from leaking back in we'd like to have that done by the people that put the roof on so it doesn't void our warranty so the allen services for the mini splits 11 9 Acker Electric on the install of the electric, which includes the penetrations through the concrete, is $3865. And then quality roofing for the pitch pocket to keep it from leaking on the top is $450, which is a total price of $16,255. And that's kind of where we're at on that.

That's your recommendation?

My recommendation is to go with the three on the second page.

It'll have to be a amendment.

I understand, but it's 1 of those things that, you know, we can wait through the hottest part of the summer and replace 10,000 dollars worth of computers or. That room gets about 95 to 98 degrees in the middle of summer. Yes, you've got 15 devices in there that's putting off heat. That's like a miniature data center. It is. It is a miniature data center. One.

There's one guy, one person is assigned there.

One person, seven computers, eight monitors, and they're running all the time.

What's the warranty on that unit?

It's in that one year labor parts and then five year old compressor.

Okay. That's the same unit that Alan's put in at other places in the county as well that they've had good luck with.

Okay, we would have to look and see.

We have we do have a. I guess we did a motion 2nd, not to do anymore.

So, we, so we don't, we're not violating. Okay.

So, the next thing we need to know, so we can legitimately make a decision is where would the money come from? If we did this for instance, is there money in. Building equipment, or would it have to have to be like a. A budget amendment and the money come out of a road building.

Is it? What is that? 116 fund? Is that is that the 1 we can use for buildings?

Yes, you could use 116 for this.

Yeah. Is there 16,000 dollars in there?

Yeah, so there's money there. So, since we didn't do a motion 2nd almost not doing the other, it would be legitimate for us to approve doing a budget amendment taken down that fund.

I think we should seriously consider it when we've got millions of dollars sitting over there and. I don't know how much all that equipment in there costs, but it's not what we go for an instant Sunday.

Both of the top monitors on the picture. You have their overheated went out. So, for about 3 hours, we didn't have video facility.

So, so that's the most of the control of this for the 16,200 feet, 5 dollar budget amendment that would cover the entire project and get this done. What's the timeline on a couple of weeks? And this is Chris recommend. Yes.

Okay, technical technology. Okay. All right.

That's the way we can do it.

Y'all ready to do that or whatever? I'm willing to put it over to you to get forward.

Oh, you can get it out of that money. We still got that. Well, timber. We've already used all that.

You can use Fund 116 because we budget money in that for each building for when HVAC breaks or whatever. So there's money budgeted for the jail out of that Fund 116 and it's enough to cover that.

Also, we're going to pay for these other buildings out of that too. Yeah.

There's over...

million dollars in that fund so there's another project 560 514 something like that it's got to come out exactly that's your that's the swap building the one at the road department's being paid out of road building that's right correct so the the we were going to look at the one for the

and Pell City out of 116, so I don't know how much that one's, because I don't know if we've got anything on that.

We haven't got a figure on that one yet.

We'll get to that.

We're almost there. We're almost there.

We added in moving the building and putting it up over here, and we're close on that.

116's got $1.8 million in that.

That bill will come in on that generator around 1990 probably.

That's what we need. What funds are we looking at?

Already established we'd rather not make any budget amendments right now, but sometimes the ox cart gets in the ditch on Sunday.

Even the Bible allows us to do that.

So I think the two computers were replaced last year in there because of the heat was almost six grand so Because they run all that video But they're constantly worrying over there 24-7.

Yeah All right, I believe you get that done. We don't get on there Tuesday in the motion in a second It's a discussion for all the things gonna cause and it'll probably pass and we'll go on to

So the next thing is... It's already... The... I mean, we still got August and September that are going to be... The hottest part of the year is not even made here yet.

And then...

Next thing we'll talk about is Summit Foods awarding that to Summit Foods on the RFP for the food procurement for the jail.

Yeah, we have that and have a report on that.

Just not the name.

Now, this is a request for quotes. So it's already been established this is not a bid item, right?

We've requested a proposal. It's a food procurement. So it's a cost plus thing that we did. The reason we had, we didn't have to bid it, but we did because we're going to put that 40,000 into that fund that we were going to use for the dietician before we was going to do a contract with the dietician. Yes. But they're providing the dietician and the software to be able to keep up with our

Okay, well, you just need action on that Tuesday to approve that that that company and be our provider for food services. Okay.

And then I'll give you all update on the swap building, the slab and the footings are done. The 16th, they're going to deliver the metal. All the building itself will be delivered on the 16th, and then they'll start the erection thereafter. We do need some on-site grading. I spoke with Clay about it. Looking at the front of the building on the right-hand side, it needs to be brought down about four inches and moved over to the left-hand side, bring it up to grade with the footings. So when they pour the pad on the apron on the front, it has a down slope and it's currently, if you look at it on one side, it's about a foot high on the ground. And I think we talked about, you know, he said in order to get it done timely, he might need some overtime on a Friday to get that done. Yeah, I forgot the foot number for it.

That's my group, Jones.

No, this is good game.

Good game, that's right. Jones is doing good. Jones is doing good.

And it's Jones and Jones out of Albertville. Jones out of Albertville. There's about four of those Jones out there.

That's all on the SWAT building. We're still on time. They're not behind or anything. It's moving along at a good rate. The command vehicle building in Pell City, we're done with about everything in Pell City as far as we need on the grade and everything to get the project going. We do have to do, we need I guess a survey over here and then do line locate so Clay and them can dig down and replace a couple feet of chart into there for the building to pad to sit on. Is that right? So that needs to be done kinda. as quickly as we can get to it, I guess, so we can get the bid. I mean, we'll go ahead and bid it because we're doing the site prep, but that's just something we need to keep on our radar so it doesn't get behind.

You're moving that building to where?

To right out behind the sheriff's office in this lot that we have. Yes. Okay. And that's going to be in with the bid. So we're going to meet over there Monday and look at that actual building as to what structure it's going to take to take it down and move it and put all that in the bed. You talking about where the old house was tore down? Yes, right here. The lot there. It'll fit there fine. We just got to know where our side door and know where to...

set it back toward the sheriff's office as much as the time work need to be done together yeah probably next month or so in the backfield you have to figure your cutting field right in there yeah because right now it's just the lot where that house was i'm not sure what all that entails but yeah

The lot's fairly decently level where it is. It just needs to be brought up.

Just not level up with the existing lot next, so you don't have to step down. But that's okay.

Bring it up to what road level?

Well, you need to look at it and see what it would take.

Yeah, it'll just require electrical. Nothing else. No plumbing. It's got an HVAC unit, but that's already in the building. It'll be moved with it. Yeah.

That'll be in the business and that's gonna be for the command vehicle, right?

Yes. So what we'll do with that once we move that building over here, Ken Crow is going to move some of his stuff out of the basement of the courthouse in Pell City because I have a bunch of stuff in that building currently for the jail and then he'll vacate that space and I'll use that space and he'll move his records over here because it's just he just had record storage.

We had a bid out on that two, three years ago, right around 50 to do the whole thing.

But they're just going to put it in with the whole package. And then the last thing we'll talk about is the paper package I'll have in front of y'all. Been looking for grants and stuff for different things for the jail. And I've come across a Department of Justice 2026 Biden grant summary for jail operations. This grant's a $3 billion grant. We're not going to get in round one. It's open currently. And it'll close on the 15th. But round two opens on the 20th. And if you'll look on the allowable uses there, personnel, technology, and construction. They've awarded several other places that have built additions on facilities up to $10 million toward building that addition. So it definitely is something I would like to put in for some body cams for the facility and for maybe some construction. I gave you a summary on the first page and then I gave you the whole thing to read through. But it appears to be, it's a zero match grant. So it's just, you know, it's a good grant. What did you say about the $3 million? $3 billion is what the total grant, the total allowed through the grant is $3 billion. Up to $10 million per project. Well, no, there has been places that have had up to $10 million awarded for additions on facilities.

It has a history of up to 10 anyway. Gotcha. Is this something that...

I've sent the information to Ashley Hay already. Well, you didn't send it to Candace.

Candace too? Yeah, because this is something that can be affected by the legislative delegation to move it up or down. Then we would need to get it to Candace because we're probably going back to D.C. in October or so.

I can go back and forward on this. The second round opens on July 20th and closes on August 19th. We go ahead.

So we need, but to move it forward is where we come in going and actually get somebody. And I would think that maybe. By the time we did that, and when the sheriff goes up on some of his things and meets with delegations, the more the merrier on putting this in front of some people as a packet. This would be what we're looking at. This is to go towards the building on to the current facility. What we're looking at right now is somewhere around 14Million. 16. we can get half of that that'd be phenomenal yeah because even that what we're what we're having to do is the the difficulty we're going to run into is it's going to take a 100 percent vote of the county commission including the chairman under our policy to do a bond issue or or or renew the bond issue we have so we got to get that past all five of us And and there may have to be some horse trading done. We're also looking at a retention facility. For instance, what's it going to call? It's going to cost 3 and the other is going to cost us 5. There's a, but we're only going to have to do it. 8Million dollar change. Not the 18. then we're getting pretty close. And that would help cause all five people to say yes.

Yeah, if we can get in on this grant and get some funds through it, and we're already ahead of the game on that because we already have engaged with an architect once we get that contract complete. They want you to have a plan, a timeline, and all of that, and we're ahead of that once we get it ironed out.

But we've got some information on that. We can't get the plan... It would help if we had the plan in place in our hand and say, we've paid for the plane. There's no doubt that helps when we go to Washington DC. We hand this off to those staff members up there. We can say now we've already invested.

X amount allowable in this grant to is also pay the architects for the things like that.

We had to pay it up front probably. So, I mean, especially we've got, we've got a package here that the upfront cost for just the plan is. No, that was.

That was for the total cost.

It was construction and everything. Yeah. Once it was done.

That had 75% of that cost for the plan.

That's the whole plan. 75% of the total plan, construction plans and all, totals over a million. That goes to the.

He bids it out and does all that. Yeah.

But what do we have to pay to get him to do the, to write it up? We have to pay that whether we are going to use it. Right. 800. So it'll be me by the time we get to it. That's Bateman math. I can use it for a couple more months.

We've asked the question if we use that 2.8 we got to pay that.

He hasn't got back with me on that.

We need to put everything in this thought that we've got, including that 2.6, because we're going to have a hard time, I think, getting the vote through the commission. pay $800,000 for a plan that we're not 100% sure we're going to have a five-member vote to do a bond issue. I mean, we can approve the plan three to two.

Read through this grant and do some research.

But $800,000 worth of three to two and then you get to a Got to have that it's just we'd like to have those answers answered those questions answer before we get there. I'm sure. So we got, we got a little work to do there. Does that make sense? Otherwise, we're out on a limb with a plan and a bucket and that we know we're not going to use.

It would be nice Tuesday to vote on being able to let them go ahead and start looking into this grant and apply for it.

Yeah, but be sure to touch base with Canvas. Ashley's experience on those kind of grants is very limited. And these are big grants that when we go to D.C., like the one we went up on the bridge, Clay, and it had to be in the stiff. We get up there and get surprised. Candace has learned to cover that surprise before we get there. Where's this got to be? Does having the plan already in a bucket pay for it? What moves us up the ladder? And Candace and that group that we've already paid, what's her name? widow brian they're already paying them anyway and and we get up to the to dc and ask for big money everything we've already invested invested in uh gives us a step up on people that hadn't yes that's why a lot of those work so uh let's we'll try to have all that done so when we get to that point we're very prepared and we have a good chance of getting the The 10, like somebody else has got. Now, the 10 then is going to determine how much more we have to borrow to do a juvenile center and the rest of this. So let's say it's 18. It's going to take 8 plus 3. It's 11. So now we're somewhere around 10 or 11 million dollar bond issue.

Which is way better than 23.

That's right. That's right. Because right now with our budget, with our revenue flow, I don't even have to ask these commissioners right now. With our revenue flow, there ain't five votes to do an $18 million bond issue, much less a 21. There's not. The votes are just not there. So we want to do it, but how do we do it? And where can we get the money to do it?

Whatever we do, we've got to pay for it. There you go. 100%. And our jail payment in 29 goes from $800,000 to $1.5 million. Yeah. That's a $700,000 increase.

Because we're factoring in the operation of the jail also. Now, we're not factoring in yet the possibility of federal prisoners and some money coming in there. But building the new jail, a little bit of a surprise how many more people we had to hire just for Udemy qualifications. this is going to do the same how many more people are you going to have to have to run this expansion that's got to be factored in every year and we'll want all that on paper before we take any action and i'd hate to leave from here not having done everything i could having that ready to go for ready so so we got a lot of work to do on this particular project to get it done

I'd like to work hard on this so we can get something put in before the end of August. I love Ashley's abilities.

She was hired to do a grant writer. She had been to Washington, D.C. when I went. I don't know this one. We had to do these big things. She and Candace worked together.

Yeah, they did. It's a good opportunity that I don't want us to let pass by.

This opportunity here is a pleasant surprise. Otherwise, I'd be like, how are we going to do this? Well, you know what? I think I can see a possible way now.

And it may be possible to get more.

Well, direct appropriation is another thing. We might get direct appropriation for the plans. Maybe. We'll see. Okay. That's all I got. Thank you for all the work you did today.

Oh, timeline for mobile command. We're going up on August the 7th to do our final inspection, and we're looking at the first week of September for taking delivery. Can I drive it back? Sure.

Oh, man.

We're not driving it down.

They're delivering it. I've made that drive. It's a long one. It is on my military driver's license. Something a lot bigger than that.

I'll park it out here and leave the keys in. There you go.

I can just see the people in the campground that I pulled in.

They don't deliver it? First week of September is what we're shooting for.

As long as we don't find any major defects when we do our final inspection August 7th, then we're shooting for the first week of September.

There's probably not any way you're expecting to have a building in Pell City ready to park it. No. So we've got to have a plan there. Will the building out here be done? oh it should be done in november are the doors that we're putting in there big enough to accommodate hopefully look at that and see because you may want to emergency places big enough to handle that thing not just that but something else later you don't know so that would short term solve a problem there

Yeah, hopefully we'll have this bed ready in a few weeks for the one behind us.

Otherwise, Amazon has one of these really nice canvas ones with a little metal bracket.

We'll put it in Patrice's area. We can back it in there. It's big enough. We won't go through that door.

Bob said that. What about the bed on the... Where's the bed at? Get ready for that. The bank. The bank.

Well, we're close. We're still waiting on the roof inspection. We got the roof. Y'all get the roof inspection.

We got Malone's roof inspection, and it really is a, I thought there's a place of surprise. Roof's pretty decent. Something else you got to think about, though, as you get into your plans, this fixes the roof like it looks now. If you want a roof kind of like it looks in Pell City, I would think you'd still want this roof fixed. No more than it's got to be. And there's later on another roof. So that wasn't a big thing.

Do you have this?

I do not. As thick as this package is, it's pretty cheap.

I was impressed. I mean, the HVAC wasn't as much as I thought it was going to be either. Yeah, that's not a big problem. It was in better shape than we had anticipated.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah. When first handed me that, I'm thinking, oh, my Lord, I got to look at all this talk.

There's 2 leaks with that mobile command center. When will they want payment?

Probably after delivery. So how quick can we do the drawdown? Is it 45 days before payment?

We have to pay for it first. And they reimburse us.

So I just want to make sure I have all that ready for when it... Yeah, it'll probably be upon delivery.

And they know, staff knows, they've done this before, we pay up front. And the main reason for that is that the federal government comes in here and says, y'all have done all these dotting your I's and crossing your T's and everything you're supposed to, or you don't get this money back. Or they start locking off because you didn't do this and didn't do that. So there's a lot of red tape attached to getting all of our money back. They're good at that. So if they look like they're being cantankerous, there's a reason for it. This has got to be done.

Hopefully, we're there and you start my feelings. We'll have some reporting to do after we get it. But other than that, I think the report so far fairly easy. So, thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, looks good there. Freddie Tarantino, Operations Administrator, and Captain Matt Morris, Operations Administrator. This Freddie is actually the Operations Administrator Emeritus here. Yeah, he's on his way into the land of the retired. I've already invited him to go fishing.

That's right. Yes. Mr Parker and Chris about the fees and we're going to hold them for just until we can talk about it. Gotcha. Okay. The fire department encryption, the volunteer fire departments. have come to us and said there's an app now where they can scan digital fire channels to hear their radio traffic. They've requested to go encrypted, like the police departments are. But we have Motorola and Kenwood. So we're still waiting on both representatives to give us a price to see how much it would cost to be encrypted.

And you know that they'll be encrypted differently.

Yes, sir. And then whatever encryption has to touch every vehicle to be able to hear on county fire, whatever they do. The reason we brought this up is when they do get those quotes, they may come to the volunteer fire departments, may come to the commission asking for help with that. Just giving y'all a heads up if and when that does happen. But like I said, Motorola and Norton would have reached out to us yet with a price. And then the leads update, there's really not one Blount County still dragging their feet.

I'm sure they would like to, but they've got a lot of hoops to jump through over there. Right.

So we're hoping to have something better for y'all. But like I said, we're ready to roll. We're just waiting on Blount County to let us know what we need to do on our end to bring it to y'all. But the biggest thing about the things, and we'll talk about that shortly.

We wanted to be sure that the whole Brooklyn on our end is not working.

No, as soon as we say go, we flip a switch, we're ready. Yes, sir. We'll just need the personnel is all we'll need on our end. Jeremy said we'd get eight. Oh, eight? Sir? No, you just keep riding. Yeah, go ahead. I'm good.

Do you have anything else for us on our end about anything don't need anything more from central before we go into a little discussion on the other the later day. Okay, this has to do with our budgeting process. Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you guys. Okay. George Brightman's here, I think, for Asheville Archery. Vanessa Thompson. And I think I'll talk to Tina. Susie.

Talk to Susie.

This is a work session, so it's just real informal. We don't vote or anything.

Why are you going to leave me out to dry like that? Let me start by saying thank you for having me this afternoon. My name is Vanessa Hansen or Thompson.

I am here on the

behalf of Asheville Archery Team. Asheville Archery Team has been at the school for several years and we're not considered a school sport. We're a club. So therefore we get no funding from the school. Our funding comes from our sponsorships and our donations. Last year we had 46 archers on the team which consists of the elementary division, the middle school division, and the high school division. Archery team does very well. We always go to state, and most of the time we go to nationals. But it does take a lot of money to buy the equipment that we need. Now, we have been purchasing new equipment, but just one curtain alone to cover the targets for us to practice in the gyms is $10,000. I have in my binder here, but I didn't print enough, okay? So I have the cost of some of the things that we are needing to even get started with the 26-27 sequel. We need a new set of 3D targets. That's $2,400. You have to have the stands to go with the targets. And that's another $220. I did raise enough money in the past to buy the bullseye targets, but with so many archers, we still don't have enough targets. So we need at least seven more targets, which runs us, they're $177 a piece, and we need seven of them. So, you know, These are the quivers. This is what the archers put the arrows in. We need some of those. They're $150. These are the arrows that we use for the tournaments, for meets, and for practice. You cannot make these children understand to pull the arrows out straight. So when they don't do that, guess what happens? They get bent. And we definitely need some new arrows, which is about $250. That's just to get us started with the season. There's other small things that we need to fix the bows. And George can help me with that because I don't fix the bows. What is this place called? The Barons? Just the small stuff to take care of the bows. And that's just a start. So we're just asking if maybe you find it in your hearts to donate to the Asheville Archery Team and help us with some of our equipment.

Okay, and I think Susie explained it, or who she talked to. We have to be creative when we put money in these programs because we can't give money to the club. We can give money to the school system. That's the simplest place we can give money. And then the school system can pay money out ways that we can't. But if they can't put money in the club, then they run into the same problem. We do give money to the school systems and they spend it on some of the following things. We put it into drama, what do they call it? I call it the drama program, but it's the theater drama program, countywide. We put money into some of the ag things. We put some money in for 4-H and for FFA through the school system here a few years ago. We put money into, I think we put money into something to do with roads. We'll definitely do that. But we're trying to keep it directly into what the programs are for the kids. Every, I think we're all very wary school that those kids can be into is good everyone just just because i'm a big you know archery person doesn't mean i ought to be for or against the the drama program i'm for it because every program that the kids have extracurricular programs causes the kids in those programs you can just you can just look at it it's tracked through data all over this country those kids end up with a better chance of success They just do. If it's the library broke, well, the chess club is an example. What did we ever do? The guy that used to come around for money for the chess club. Pedro? Yeah. Pedro. Yeah. Now, the county one time gave money to the school system and got some kind of money into the chess club. I don't know how they did it, but I'm not sure how that works. But we definitely give money to the school system. getting money to you through to the club is going to be something we're going to all have to help each other figure out what can we do.

We're only talking about $5,000 here. When we do our sponsorships, all the checks have to be made out to Asheville High School. But in the four section, it's delegated to our church.

That's probably the way this would be. But can they dedicate money to archery schools? Sure, they can. They have teachers that do it, don't they?

We have never had a problem with a sponsorship.

Yeah, we can't get you money as a sponsor like that.

We've done it through the... We got a letter from...

The superintendent has sent us a letter requesting appropriation for it. How much? And we've got money in our little account to do it with.

I just asked Danielle, and she said that we could do it.

A good school system can. Yeah. So we find a route.

That's the kind of way you were talking about. And then it comes back.

And the school system, the superintendent, for instance, knows this. We know it. Superintendent and board members know it. You're going to ask for it for Asheville. Well, we didn't give any to Moody. They may want it too, so they get a letter wanting some from Moody too. We all know that, but it's still not a lot of money because every one of these programs we put money into, those kids statistically have a better chance of being successful.

I know Sprangle started one at their middle school last year, year before last, because I wrote it. The bass fishing club. I told the chick personally gave them money. How do they do the bass fishing? Are those clubs also recognized?

They're a club. They're not considered a sport through the school. They have to raise money.

I did the same thing. I'm a sponsor on one of the bass teams.

Yeah, my son just joined the fishing team.

Can the school system get them money? If the answer to that One little question is, yes, can the school system get them money? Then we can too, because we give it to the school system. Now, pressure on the club is, be sure that the school system, superintendent and the board, votes in favor of a letter to the county commission requesting that money. And make sure you say what it's for, because we have, we've literally done this. We've sent money to the school system before. That didn't necessarily get to the program. We sent it for.

Well, I know you don't know me, but. I will be up there every day until these children get what they need.

That's what we do.

You requested last year. I did. Because we never received the letter from the Board of Education.

But they said that it was never voted on and approved.

The same program that you give to us here you probably need to give to the superintendent board And if you're if you're there

Be sure to let them know the County Commission is in favor of these extracurricular programs. They're much more valuable than some of the programs we pour money into. We know these programs help those kids succeed. There's no doubt about it. they're having a meeting tonight so i'll be there at that meeting as well and that's that's i mean we have we have constituents all over come to us and ask for money to fix a road or something well the same way here the board has everybody that's affiliated with the club comes before asking for money well some of that the board needs to know that we can get them money right except y'all be sure they get the money to you well um

Just don't say no.

There you go. 5,000 at a time is pretty easy for us to do except $50,000 jobs. It just makes us think about, wait a minute, there's 10 of them.

Okay, so am I going to need to know an amount that they haven't approved? All right, so give me an amount.

We can't do that. We cannot give you an amount. We need our budget.

Count up what you just counted up and ask for that through the board. Ask for it.

You can ask for X amount and then they will.

What I see happening with this, when he sends a letter up here, a superintendent sends a letter asking for Asheville Archer for $5,000, he can get ready to send about 10 more letters up here for Springville or Moody.

And if they'll have a good archery program. Usually work pretty well, okay, but give them some money too.

Listen, Asheville Archery has done very well.

Oh, they have. They led the way.

Yes, and we just need to, with the proper equipment, rebuild our program. And we have a very good coach. George Brotman is going to be our head coach. So we are really excited about this year. But, I mean, you know, our 3D team didn't do so well last year because we were having to use these covers to go over our targets, and the arrows don't stick in them well. So, I mean, you know, our 3D program struggled really bad last year, and there's just things that we need to build those programs back up. And that's what we're shooting for.

Well, like I said, that's... The more of those programs, I think, the better.

And this is not the only request that we've had. Confused because we didn't get the letter. That's right. We've got to have that first before they consider approving it.

Okay. Well, I will be at that meeting tonight and we will get what we need back. Okay. Is that everything?

I appreciate y'all's passion to keep these things going. That's what it takes. We have some schools that just can't find what they call a sponsor, for instance. They don't have a sponsor to teach after school class or such and such. I mean, I don't care. Like I said, Chess and Jeffers. I don't care what it is. If you've got sponsors that'll go teach it. Those kids involved together...

My mindset is if a child is at practice, they're not out running the streets.

Well, they're not sitting there on this. That's the worst thing.

That's the devil for a child. Yes, sir.

Although it has helped me rebuild a boulder on a boat.

Okay. But I will go to that meeting tonight and then maybe we can get things worked out.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

We're all the way up there to Tina. Up to Tina, not down to Tina. We're up to Tina.

Okay. The first item is discussed proposal in the amount of $5,340 for our millionaire ID capture, which allows the invoice to flow into the capture system and transfer it into the image directory. This is our new

is our first uh program dabbing in ai that if we don't have and everybody else has it then we're that far behind this is a low-end AI program.

The more we put into it, the more we can get out of it. So anyway, we need some additional software for $5,340 to add additional employees to it, basically. And it won't be a budget amendment. We've got the funds.

Okay, we're ready to do that.

And then the next item is just SB 361 is for pet protection legislation that was passed that's affected October 1st. This is just mainly for me and the committee to go over. I've reviewed it some. I don't think it's going to be much of a change. I was wondering if it's going to be a change with our animal control officers.

Requirement a little bit, but this program is the program that, uh. The protection of dogs, especially change to a tree. They can still be changed, but they got to have water, food, shelter, all that sort of thing. So this is a good thing. So are we just saying we want to be sure that they know about it?

Yes, sir. Just that y'all know about it and that we're working on it. If there's anything that needs to be brought back to the commission, the county attorney would be happy to do that.

Well, it's set up pretty well in that legislation. If, for example, the animal control officer can investigate, they don't have to be APEP certified. But if they are, then they'll arrest the powers.

If not, they won't go to law enforcement.

And that's exactly the way Josh does it now.

It's set out. It's not complicated.

Next item is retirement party for Captain Jerry Robinson. His retirement celebration.

Have a copy of that in your file.

At the Pell City Municipal Complex on Thursday, July the 23rd at 2 o'clock.

Okay.

And item four, I've been talking with Doretta Kelly, with Aaliyah, and the new driver's license office is scheduled to open Monday, November the 2nd.

Man, Monday, November the 2nd. Boy, that's a long way out there.

She's not sent me the public notice yet, but she is going to circulate the public notice and send it to me to share.

I know Clay's got some brush to move and a parking lot to fix and a stripe for handicap access.

All that stuff's got to be done.

November the 2nd, they are planning on being in there and operating.

We're definitely moving.

Have you marked the utilities on that backyard? Are there any? I didn't think there's anything back there.

I had several utility line locates called in, and I've never seen anything but some telecommunications on the side.

Okay. So moving those trees and getting that brush out of the way and ending up with a parking lot out of the alley right there looks like pretty doable. Right. We took up some work, but we're working on it right now.

So next item is the county received liability and workman's comp refund checks and the amount of one check is $23,071.48. That's for the liability longevity bonus. The next check is $17,798.24. And then $122,240.46 and $2,500. We're in a safety program with CRS, HDCA.

That's about $168,000 or so that we got back. Because you're also going to see over here, we're fixing to approve the amount we pay for insurance. But this is actually money we get back.

Okay.

Uh, I can finish this. Could I go back to the live building back now? Uh, I'd like to get, uh, Darryl to, uh. Flag the property line between the 2 structures between the house and in our place.

Yes. On that side. Yes.

They're Walker.

They're a lucrative surveyor.

so we need to request for him to do a survey he needs to mark the property line between the two structures and you find him stopping in the corner well we've we know where one is in the back alley it's about two inches high two or three inches high it's the one at the front of the live the new live buildings what we want to do walk straight line right up there and kill your mother

That's why I didn't give him a new property.

Yeah, but Phil C.'s counterparts probably wouldn't go along with that.

I don't have a problem with the property we bought, and I'm not sure we asked for a survey when we bought it. I just say that if we do this, make sure that we've got some permanent pins put in the ground and know where they are in our infusion. So now we know where they are. Because there's so many times we mark them and we don't think about them anymore. They get grown up and pulled up and driven in the ground. So make sure you put the two corners.

Partial boundary survey.

So if y'all are okay, have that on the agenda for Tuesday. Okay, next item is informational item to be recorded in the minutes Tuesday. I see Manager Glenn Morgan. His new employee is Nathan Smith. He's doing a good job so far. He just recently got hired and Glenn said he's doing good. He's going to be working out of the Pell City office with John. That's all I have, Chairman. Is this back pending there?

Y'all just keep up with the pending? Well, that is information we need to... To keep up with and also look at it and let us know if you want to purge things off of that and go along to, so we can say, okay, that that that particular thing is done. For instance, item 22 location for safe shelter Asheville county property discussed behind shares building. We probably need to know that fairly quick. Did somebody ever go out there and say I want it right here? We need some paint on the ground or stop driven or something because you got the building we're fixed to move over here. What if it's been sitting here? Won't we put it over there? Next thing you know, we put it in a way where we wanted the safe shelter. So somehow we need to identify where on that parcel of land you want that safe shelter building.

I'll get with Patrice. Yeah, there you go. Because I know she's applying for the grant.

Yep.

So they will have to put a location in there. And I know it was discussed, the location over here beside the bank.

Yep. You think we might want to get an architect to see what fits were and what would be the best parking?

I was going to say we need to be real careful what we put on that lot. Well, you know, there's been some pushback from putting that other building there.

From looks is one thing, but this is the storm shelter for the community. I doubt if they'll push back. Put it in the back corner. Yeah. I don't think they wanted an old storage building. No, no. This is a place for people to run during storms. But I don't know where that would be. You're right. There's a whole lot of choices.

Yeah, that back corner would be okay. That back street.

somebody else tell me what it would be nice to have a design and a plan for that lot instead of going out patrice will get us the exact design plan though we we would have a site plan from her i'm talking about for the whole lot yeah yeah for benefit and future planning We had that entire lot surveyed. We've got a formal survey on it when we bought it, and we just didn't identify if we were wanting anything on it.

In our mind, that was one of the big values of that property. Yeah. In addition to the building. Yeah. It's a good chunk of property.

The road. Yeah, everything. Something needs to be addressed.

Access, trucks going in. Michelle's, the truck's getting in, turned around in there. It's all uploaded. Turn in radius.

On the pending?

Yeah, we do need to get a contract from Aaliyah for the house in that building.

We don't have that contract.

We don't have a contract. We've got an email that, you know, they are fine with going into the building. Now that we're at that sale, you know we were waiting on to make sure they were going to come back out and agree to the building. Everything was going to work out.

Oh. I'm sorry gone. do we have do we have anything from leads about that housing inmates in the county jail like we did the rest of them I don't know leads does if they're arrested in the county so if they're if they're arrested in the St Clair county side it says here discuss contracts with other municipalities parentheses leads to house inmates in the county jail so I'm assuming what that says to me is we don't have a contract with leads well we

Yeah, city leaves is on our list of fees for $40. I think that might be a typo. I think that was in reference to Freddie talking about contracting leaves.

Gotcha. We'll have to take number 14 off then. Okay.

Or number 15, I'm sorry. What does Jefferson County charge? Not a quote.

Security. They don't have... They carry theirs to the trust. Leeds carries theirs.

That's what I meant.

I don't know if they've upped their fees or not. The last time I checked, the trust was charging $40, charging $40. I think they've upped their fees since then. I'm just curious. Yes. All right. Okay. Kurt. Yes. Kurt. The Honorable Phil C. batting from the bench. And Kurt said subdivision regulations have been submitted to the

county engineer for approval but that was discussed earlier so nothing else to report except curves and practical somewhere getting trained up right yeah did i say something on subdivision regulations yes talking to clay about it uh several years ago i came and we did the albine power get a letter on submissions on the flats and everything due to transmission a lot of times it gets confused if distribution side okays it that all is good and well but when a transmission line runs through there we have that corridor through there transmission side needs to be contacted or sign off on the plat and we put that in the regulations back in 2017 it's in the current uh subdivision plat recording requirements this one is kind of vague it says the energy distributor which can be taken as whoever it is whether it's a co-op and we have transmission lines that run through co-ops territory so that co-op can sign off on that flat and there'll be a transmission line in that right away and then we may be stuck like down in St. Clair County leads behind Walmart, that subdivision where we got 80 foot, 100 foot of right-of-way and we got 80 foot of field on us because it slipped through and it wasn't caught. So we've got sewer on us. We've got lines on us. We almost had houses on us, which would have cost that developer. So as long as we can get something in there stating that we sign off on it, especially if there's a transmission right-of-way in there, because all of our right-of-ways are not equal It's not 50-50. They can be 60-40, 80-20. We can have 80 foot of 100 foot cleared, or we can have 60 foot of the 100 foot cleared. And it may not sit on center. So if we can get something where we can sign off on it, because in Auburn and Montgomery and over in Calhoun County, in the last year, we've had some surveys, Ms. Surveyors, Ms. Reed, are legals. and set it 50-50 or 60-40, and it be reversed. It should have been 40-foot where he had 60-foot and vice versa, and it's caused problems with people building homes on a right-of-way, starting to build the homes. And some of them we caught, some of them we haven't. So we would like to see something in there that states that we sign off on it. if there's a transmission right away on that flat.

Distributor and transmission. Distribution and transmission.

I just want to make you aware that that's something I was going to ask for, that we'd already had before.

Still, it's not substantially changing anything. No, it's not.

So just hopefully it can handle it. We can still use it.

It's not a material change.

It's just an explanation of what was already there. It tightens it up, right?

Yeah, it just tightens it up. Because, you know, I cover in Pell City. Who is the co-op you said?

Coosa Valley.

Coosa Valley. Coosa Valley runs through Cook Springs and everything. We have that huge transmission right away that runs from Leeds all the way to Anniston. But Coosa Valley serves a good portion of that. If they signed off on that flat and didn't have our right-of-way in there right, we would never know until we went out there and all of a sudden saw homes and lots in the right-of-way. It's saving the builder and property owners money in front. It's a lot cheaper in the beginning than it is on the end.

He's going to stay here. Any other information from our petty fogger? That's another name for an attorney. Petty fogger. You ever heard that one?

I'm holding back my joke. There's a reason we wear neckties. I know you'd have one if there was one. Okay. You're on page, next page. Okay, we don't want to do that, that's for sure.

Okay, first thing up on work session to finish out. Rescheduling Thursday, August 20th work session due to the annual condition. When do we want to reschedule that Thursday meeting to that following Tuesday?

That's what we normally do. Would I be willing to change? both to the 27th commission meeting and work session.

The 27th would be the Thursday.

I mean, we can make it happen. It's just very hard for us when we come back from a conference and have one day to wrap up everything.

I see what you're saying. It's a whole day. Do it on the Thursday 27th instead of the Tuesday 25th.

We could do the commission meeting and work session on Thursday the 27th.

9 a.m. 9 o'clock work session, the regular meeting after that.

I know the staff would appreciate that. If that will work for your schedule. If not, we'll make it work. I'm good with it.

Work session, budget, and meeting, right? We'll have a good time that day.

Possibly, yes. Because that's right before budget would be approved. We might not need to push it out that far then.

No, no, no. I'm just saying you may have budget meeting, work session.

I put down work session, budget meeting, meeting. All there.

I see what you're saying. Okay.

We're going to pull it almost overnight. There you go.

Because we have budget work sessions before the 23rd. You'll have some before that. There may not be anything to talk about.

In July, August. We're going to run out of time for that budget. We'll nail that thing down on that meeting.

No, we've got all month of September. I know, but we need to be through with it, by the way. We need to work on September.

Okay, so August the 27th, 9 o'clock. There you go. And that will be in Pell City.

Pell City.

Pell City work session and commission meeting.

Got you.

Possibly budget session.

Dale City. Do not forget. Thursday. Okay.

Good.

Okay. Discuss for sending the request to engage CMH Architects for professional service, divide plans, and cause potential addition to the jail tenure review. The commission, the county attorney approved on June the 9th. We did approve.

on june the 9th commission week and uh patina has some information relating to this process well we the agreement that we approved was for them the architect to send out the bids to prepare the plan send out the bids and all of that prepare the specs send out the bids But now, it's been a question, can we just get a plan, just an architect plan, instead of him going ahead and sending out the beds. After our budget discussion, we didn't know if we were gonna have the money to go ahead and move forward with the project. So pretty much the first agreement was to move forward with the project. For CMH architects to prepare the specs, send out the beds, and then take care of receiving the beds and all of that. So since then, y'all have a copy in your folder for today with a quote for if they just send out, if they just prepare the specs and give you an architect plan. If they do it all, it's $16,320. I mean $16,320.

That's the complete project.

Yes, that's the complete project. $16,324,180.

But we need a plan in hand for whoever goes to the voice of the delegate and says, we've got the plans, we're ready.

Right, and that would be around $800,000 just for the plans. How much? $800,000. Once we spend that kind of money, we be...

There's a bunch of other stuff in there.

You know the difference in, when you're talking about breakfast, y'all know the difference between the chicken and the pig? Give it to me. I know we're going to get it. I used to know this, but I forgot. The chicken was involved. The chicken was involved.

The pig was committed.

If we spend $800,000 on a plan, we committed to building an $18 million building. I mean, I can't imagine none of y'all go for that. We ain't going to spend $800,000 not knowing for sure we're going to build. So we're either committed or involved. What's the cheapest we can get out of being involved? That's the figure we need. We won't have much of a plan. about all i can think of that i've gotten before through other people like we did the remodeling the courthouse over here we did remodel courthouse bell city we got a rendering architect rendering and it gave us an idea of what they would recommend if they drew it there's no specs and no no sizes and all that necessarily it's just here's what you build and would kind of look like And you can get that done for $5,000 or $6,000. Now you've got a picture to carry with you. And what's the estimated cost? I believe we've already got an estimated cost, $16 million. We just got it.

That's going to be a real number, too. That's the estimated cost, $16 million.

So, because you got civil engineers.

Mr. Morris, to see if we had to, you know, all of them fees, civil engineering, he suggests that we can't get away with any of them fees.

The survey, the architect, reimbursable. No, that's what I'm saying. The shirts he has now. Yeah.

Those are real figures. So what we need to do, if that's the architectural firm that we want to use, and I agree they are the ones that designed the jail, they probably already got a Probably already got it in a can somewhere because we left a picture. We need the preliminary. If you can show a street elevation, sort of a street elevation design. Here's the existing building. Here's looking down on it from the top. Here's where it's going to go. And the estimated cost for this project will be $16 million.

And that's what we'd need to take to D.C.

Then if we get the $10 million, then we're going to end up with a formal plan. What we can do is say the firm that we engage to draw the plans will be this firm at some point in time. We can choose that architect. If and when we do the jail, that's who's going to draw it. So that's the next step that I think we need to make. That's who you want to do it. We choose that. We don't That's who's going to do it if and when we do it. There won't be any questions. There won't be a bunch of other architects calling me and knocking on the door. When it comes to the jail, that's who's going to do it. And then we go from there. Same thing with the juvenile thing. We've already authorized Commissioner Stevens to choose one. Got one chose. So we haven't engaged one yet to draw the plans. What's the estimated cost of the one he's chosen? Well, we'll get that from him at some point. And he'll come up with it the same way that Billy Morass did right there. $16,300,000. That's all we need. Then we're going after the $10,000. And whatever else we can, and then we'll know what we've got to do for a bond issue. And then are there 5 votes to do a bond issue?

We don't get that team.

We know we know the 5 votes.

We don't get the team. We don't really. I don't know. called we can't. Because the writer's got to pay the note. The regular jail note's going to come to you. 29, you're 29. That's not going away. That's real money. We're staring at that. And after March 2027, it'll be 5% more. And during this time, too, is the time that we can say, okay, Billy, uh,

Given the addition of 112 prisoners to that jail, what is the standard? There's a federal standard out there. He gave it to us for the other jail. What's the standard for operating a jail of the size we just built? And he told us how many. OK, how many do we have now? Well, the difference in those two is 12. I mean, we knew before we'd like to hire 12. What did 12 cost us? And then Michelle gets in there and she says, 12 more is going to cost you so-and-so. And by the way, just based on the last design, the operation of that building went up X number of percent. So we can assume it's similar. So we can get an idea of how many people, the operation of it. The whole cost if we, you know, during the time we're waiting on trying to find money.

12 employees is three quarters of a million dollars a year. A year. 750,000. Every year. If we add one, it's going to, so we've got to barrel that in mind. It all adds up. It's getting too big for me, Jeff. I don't know about you.

It's getting big.

That's where we are. So we will shoot for us. That's one of the big things we will be looking for is that $10 million. So we need to really bear down on Candace and those people to end up with us a packet to carry with us.

And that $10 doesn't have to be locked in. It could be more than that. Oh, yeah. That was just the bar set.

Again, it was the average number.

We could add more to that. Yeah. It was asked from over. It was X number of billions. It was billions of dollars.

That's nationwide. Three billion set aside. Somebody going to get part of that. We need to get our share.