County Commission - Regular Meeting

We'll get cranked up here. U appreciate everybody coming out today. Got a good crowd today. U this is a a work session, a meeting of the county commission work session. And uh we don't we don't take official action at this meeting, but we discuss things that that we've got on our plate from the uh different operations of the county. And those things that are ready to put on the agenda, then we get those ready for the official meeting, which is next Tuesday. Uh we try to have a work session on Thursday prior to that Tuesday. That gives us time to flesh things out that we discussed here at the work session. So this is a work session. You'll see us chatting around. is is kind of uh a little bit less formal than the meeting. So, we just chat with amongst one another and uh uh try to make it as as comfortable as possible so people will share their thoughts and uh that's that's kind of the format that we've chosen to use. Try to make people as as comfortable as they can and open up and say what they're thinking even even if they hurt some of our feelings. You can't hurt his feelings. Commissioner Harper hadn't got any feelings left. He's been beat on so much the last couple of weeks. He's he's about beat down, but we're going to lift him up here today for pos. He's been uh trying to run Alabama Power Company this week. Kind of got out of line on some of that, but he's done pretty good. Y'all give him a vote of confidence on that out there. And and the first thing on our agenda today is Ashley's year from the extension service. And uh she has Elena with her who's our 4 coordinator or whatever your titles. All right. You do 4.

That's right.

You the oldfashioned extension agent. That's what we call the county extension agent. And Elena of course over our 4H program we several years ago we got with Elena and we uh really as a condition talked to her about uh boosting the numbers in the 4H program. It it's you don't just say okay we're just going to get more people. uh we found out a lot about it. You have to have people in the schools for instance that are sponsors that'll that'll help run the 4H program within those schools and that in itself may change for one thing and uh uh but she's done an excellent job and we appreciate the work you've done in the last few years. 4 is a really important program and it's becoming more and more. Uh I was in Washington DC last week and we had a little sit down chat. Uh Commissioner Stevens was there. uh uh coach Tuberville, Senator Tuberville is in his office and he's all over this part of the program. He's uh he's really aware of our of how important the A uh programs are around the state. Uh and and one thing that has caught on in the last several years is how important the A related programs in the youth are to work force, work skills, work ethics development. I mean, it's just a natural thing. uh young people that are involved in things like 4 just naturally develop better work ethics. You you don't mind working. Um you don't mind getting up early and doing those things in 4H projects. So uh we think it's important and our uh with Senator Tuberville probably has a very good chance of being our governor. Looks like we're going to have a governor that now is putting that out there for us. So it's exciting to be in that particular category. And I think you've got some here today you wanted to recognize. uh they've all gone out and uh started their own businesses and made two or 300,000. That wasn't what y'all did yet, was it? So Elena, we're going we're going to let you and and uh Ashley have the floor here. Y'all present this.

I was just going to I'm going to hand it over to Elena, but you didn't leave us much to say. Thanks Sharon. Well, that's what they tell me. They tell me that all the time. 4 is great. Um Elena's got some of our 4ers here that um have gone out and done great things in and outside of St. Clair County. So, when y'all support extension, y'all are supporting 4 and youth like these. So, I'll hand it over to here. I'm going to pass these out to each one of you as well. Is this the group that sings? Oh, NO.

Put on the spot. Uh this county commission actually directly impacted these youth right here because last year y'all funded um $4,000 to the 4 program which was uh able to allow me to pay for their registration fees to participate in contests. So what we have here is we have Emma who did the poultry barbecue contest at the state level went on to the yes went on to the national level and competed in Louisville, Kentucky.

Okay. And then we have Ava Mullins and Sophia Gibbs who were able to participate at the state aven which is like a chicken quiz bowl, poultry quiz bowl. They won here at the state level and also got to go to Louisville, Kentucky to participate at the national level. And because of their participation at the national level, all three of them have received a $1,000 scholarship to Auburn University.

Outstanding. if they decide to participate in poultry science. They also had the opportunity to go to the international processing and production expo in Atlanta, Georgia in January, which is an international poultry industry conference. So, people from all over the world. Um they had to interview these people in these uh companies and organizations. We had one who even interviewed a CEO of a top company um that was Danish, right? if I remember correctly. So, they had to, you know, talk about things that they wanted to learn more about, ways that they could get into the industry, potential job opportunities, internship opportunities. Um, so they were using those workforce development skills, right? learning what the poultry industry has to offer. That it's not just raising chickens, it's not just holding chickens, that you can go through poultry science and actually never touch a chicken because they need people in marketing, in graphic design, um they need people in food sensory evaluation. And so that really opened up their eyes. I hope that I'm not just speaking for them in that sense. Um just what all those possibilities are out there. In addition to that, we um Emma and Ava are also doing college level research at Auburn University right now with the poultry science department and a dual enrollment type.

Not even that, they are called poultry pioneers. So this is the first time um our board age specialist who does poultry science at Auburn University hand selected these two young ladies to participate in honestly was like graduate level research. I wouldn't even call it undergraduate level research. Um so they've been going to campus. They are working on a specific research project that they will present in Toronto, Canada this summer. Excellent. That is awesome. Y'all y'all just really jumped out there with this with this program. Now, I heard one of you did you say Danish? Oh, yes. our first interview that we had when we got to IP a little bit.

So, Amsterdam, right? Uh but yeah, so that was one of the companies that we spoke to. But they all three chose I think four or five different companies, organizations, people to stop and interview and ask, you know, what do you do on a daily basis? What kind of education did you need to get into this field? What can I do if this is something I want to pursue in the future? Well, it's definitely a broad field and it's it's so important in Alabama, so important from an economic development standpoint and economic uh standing all the way around. Uh we've got right down the double bridge road here, you got Gary Staples's poultry farm down there. Are either one of y'all from a family that has poultry farm? Well, we have backyard plots. We That's good.

We don't We haven't been with someone who like owns a poultry farm that like sells to Tyson and other places. Yeah. But they said, "Do y'all sell as a backyard flock or just your own and your family? They they raise you raise eggs and that you have eggs." We just keep them for ourselves. Yeah. Okay. You give them the family.

My mother's 95 years old, lives by herself in Bluntsville, Alabama. And uh I bought our chicken coupe at the auction, the FFA auction at Old here a few years ago. And I carried it up there to her and my brother said, "Ah, she's too old. She'll fall down the steps out back. This is 93 when they started this. Well, finally we talked into letting me get her some layins and I got her five laying hands and she named them all after uh President Trump's ladies of Bona. This is a bonka and this is she really did this and she has gotten into these into this raising these five legends like you would not believe. She counts the eggs every day and I put her little thing off the porch she pour water in. that runs down the the PVC pipe into the waterer so she didn't have to get off the porch. But uh uh so it it means a lot to a lot of people. That is one thing that is easy to get in on that level. But then you go all the way through and it's one of the biggest industries in this state is the poultry industry.

And if I'm not mistaken, they each started in Chick Chain with me about two years ago. So and we see where they are now. That's great. Yeah. Well, uh, do y'all have a speech prepared? Prepared or anything y'all want to comment on? Anything you want to tell us? You going to tell us your recipe? Oh, I got to remember that. Uh, was it turkey burgers this time around? Turkey burgers. Those turkey burgers for this competition. Pounds of turkey burgers. There's dejon mustard. Okay. Yeah. Bear with me with this one. Worsters sauce. Yeah, that's good. That's good. I don't know how to pronounce that one. Uh, garlic, salt, pepper, basil, and parsley. Okay. Hey, hey, hey.

How about that? A picture of them with y'all. What grade are y'all in? I'm in 10th grade. I'm a senior. I'm a freshman. Where do y'all go to school at? My house. Huh? Home school. Home. You're the admire. You're the You're a senior. Where are you going to go to school next year? Auburn. There you go. that Auburn on their jacket there. Well, take take their money. They're going to give you some. Take it. There you go. Yeah. Let's get a Let's get a picture with them in the background. We'll come around front down there so y'all can get the picture of the background here with our county seal and flags and so forth.

We'll do whatever Ashley says. Yeah. What you want? My jacket. We'll let that back behind.

Now, have y'all visited any farms? Ask if you had one. Y'all been out to Gary Staples farm or any of that? Castleberries over city. We have not. Y'all got to go to a chicken house and walk through the chicken house barefooted. I don't know about that. I have actually done that fed the chickens and and and didn't get anything on my feet. Let work. That's a lot. Yeah. Y'all don't believe that. Did we look intelligent? Check that. Very good. Well, congratulations on what you are doing. Thank you. We thank y'all. Know we thank y'all for y'all setting up. Y'all are set.

I left your chicken farm in Coleman in 1970 to go to work. I didn't want to raise chicken. Mom and daddy did. Appreciate y'all. and get it to get her recipe. Yeah. One of the girls here is I'm sure they're going to make up one day. We're going to put some pressure on. She's our she's our cook. Ashley, thank you for being Yeah. Thank y'all. Those are just some of the opportunities that I said, you know, I want to offer to our kids. So Elena's already been able to do it for you. So appreciate y'all. Who put that together? Who put that together?

Good. I like that. Thank you. Good time. Really good. Really good. Try it out back. These That's the parts of our job that are so important. And uh they they going to get on to me for dragging our meeting out here, but uh which I do every one of them. But uh yeah, we we we ought to get out here by five o'clock.

40% of the people that are in the work for that are old enough to be in the workforce. You are a little young yet, you wouldn't be counted in the workforce. But if you're out of high school, going into college or whatever, you're certain, let's say 17, 18 up, uh you're in the workforce, it's a group of people that could possibly get a job. 40% of that those people that population of people are not even looking for a job and have no skills. 40%. Y'all are in the 60% already. I don't even have to. You're not in the 40%. You're already going down a path that will keep you in the the workforce group to to get a job and to have work ethics to want to have a job. But our problem here is we spend millions of dollars uh uh trying to recruit companies to move here and we can't promise them that they can fill their employment needs with 40% gap. That that has really come out in the last four or five years as a huge issue that somehow we let just run by us. And part of that is uh young people on their phones just not engaged in things that as you grow develop that work ethics and and eventually leads to those work skills. And uh if we don't look at this as anything other than we've got to provide this workforce, but we look at it as wait a minute, we're not doing these young people justice by allowing them to sit around on this phone. We've got to make life interesting. Uh, I've always said in the the FFA, one of y'all in the FFA program, Future Farmers, uh, the Future Farmers program is big also in in our in our county. And, uh, uh, they've got the pig shows and just all those kind of things. And I've always said, I guarantee you a kid would rather even pet a pig than to be on this phone if

you're got them actively engaged in it. So, so it's very important to start on that level. and a is already built in for that for that purpose. It it did for years. We all we always used to have 48 and shop and uh home economics. We don't have those things anymore. Well, hello. That might be what's missing to help create that 40%. So, that's my speech about that. It's important from the standpoint of what we do, trying to make the county uh healthy and and and prepared as we as we grow. Uh all right. Uh y'all feel if you if we do something wrong here, y'all just correct us or jump in there at any time. If you if some of these people get on to us for something, call give them a check. Y'all y'all take care of us now. You got your picture made with us. We're we're on your side this thing. Once again, thank you so much. Thank

y'all. We're going to move on. Y'all don't have to stay. You can stay as long as you want to. It's a work session. We're going to turn this. Hey, I don't blame you. WE'RE GOING TO TURN the next part of the program over to Dan Daly, our county engineer. We uh Dan's going to give us his report on what's been going on in the uh Slair County Department of Transportation, which is uh basically the one of the largest things the county has even developed for. We're here to um design uh design, build, and maintain public roads. Takes a lot of money and and our engineers what runs that particular program. So Dan, give us an update on your program.

Okay. Uh just a few updates on crews real quick here. Uh paving crew. The weather's been pretty nice most time. We we've been able to start back with hot mix work. Uh we've done some here well this little north of Ash done some of that. We're on Pine Mountain right now trying to get that area. Looks mighty good. Yeah, it does. It looks good. I saw that yesterday. My neighbor from up there said it looked great. Good. And then uh we did uh you know where the pipe is put in at Pineell Lake over there. We fix that

fix over that also this past week. U so we have that base crew. Uh we got some pipes in. So they've been going around some of the ones we had some issues with when the storm came. We got one on Post Chapel. We had two now we had two on Post Chapel. One on Center Star. And we'll probably do the one on Camp Creek Road next week. couple days later. Where on camp? Are y'all going to replace that whole pipe?

No, no, it was just the uh the two inlet ends still pipe. They they were messed up and uh so we're just going to be able to replace that parts and u should do for several several years yet. some point we might want to put some concrete in the bottom to make it last a little longer like we've done on several others. But yeah, I think we could do that along with some concrete work and be in good shape for a long time. Yeah. Um, we have, uh, of course we talked about this for a while, our subdivision, regs. Uh, wanted to bring them up again today. And, uh, we have some people from the Greater Birmingham,

Association of Home Builders, Association of Home Builders. Uh, and they have talked with some about our subdivision, been helpful to point out some things. And if y'all would like to talk, be happy for y'all to take over few minutes. Thank you.

Um, my name is Rhett Leman. I'm a developer with a company called Tammore. We develop all over the Birmingham area, including Slair County. And I'm also the land development committee chairman for the Greater Birmingham Association of Homebuilders. So, we appreciate your time. Um, we did meet with Dan and Clay. We we found out about the new subdivision regulations that were proposed right before Christmas. So, we had a meeting with them and we told them we'd get our comments back and we had some, you know, some suggestions and edits and comments that we were hoping would be incorporated into them and we sent those, I think, in January. And it it really centers around uh predominantly from a developer perspective, the minimum lot size. Um, and I'll just Yeah, I develop a subdivision called Lake Mont Village that is south of Pel City. It's on 231.

Um, it has, you know, what I call the community field. Has sidewalks, has parks, has irrigation, landscaping, you know, underground utilities throughout. And people like that and they're willing to pay for it. And it's it's a 6,000 square foot lot. The new proposed regulations are 15,000 square foot, which is two and a half times more than what I'm currently doing at Lake Mont Village. But the numbers speak for themselves because at Lake Mont Village, the average sales price on a new home is 330,000 whereas the average sales price for just across the county and it includes municipalities is 290,000. And the highest priced home that has been sold in Lake Village is 466,000. These are on 6,000 foot lot averages. So people like that. If we move to a 15,000 foot minimum, this is the first phase of multiple phases. I won't be able to offer those amenities because my lot has increased two and a half times and I have to absorb that into my cost. So, I can't do the sidewalks and the, you know, irrigation and the underground utility. Some of those things are going to be sacrificed and people won't pay you for as much for, you know, when you have the less amenities within the subdivision. So, that's a that's a concern. And then, you know, before this property was purchased and developed, which was a couple years ago, I think it was a it was 198 acre farm. And it was

it's the old side farms, right? Right. It's the old side farm. Yeah.

And I think property taxes were, you know, they were paying like $2,000 in property taxes a year. And I just did the simple math based on the millage rate in Pel City. And when phase one is complete, it's about halfway through, but when phase one's complete, based off the average sales price of 330,000, it's going to be, you know, contributing over $100,000 in revenue to the to the county, which is, you know, obviously a good thing. Um, and and finally, it it when you talk about land values, you know, if we were able to pay $10,000 an acre for the sod farm because we could do a 6,000 foot lot and and get the acre. If it goes to 15,000 square foot, which is roughly two to the acre, you know, it's gonna I can't pay that for the next farm. I can pay 5,000 maybe, you know, give or take. But, you know, these things trickle down into the county coffers. You know, if the land doesn't sell for as much, you're not going to get as much revenue. Um, so these are just a few of the highlights. We're not opposed, let me make it clear, we're not opposed to the subdivision regulations. It it's it's it's gone from two pages to 67 pages. We're not opposed to that. We're just looking for some relief in certain areas because I think the numbers prove that again there's plenty of places in the county where a 15,000 square foot lot is certainly appropriate and they'll be continue to be developed, but there are also places in the county such as around Hill City and Moody where a a smaller lot doesn't mean less value. It means actually people will pay more for it in my experience. So I I appreciate your time. I'm happy to answer.

You build any houses in the city of Moody? Uh no, I don't develop in Moody. No sir. And I'm just a developer. Why did you not develop me? Because of their regulations. Their regulations. Yes, sir. Yes. And ours is not even going to be nowhere as close to theirs. But the minimum lot size will be. That'll be the same. It'll be the same. How many houses do you have in phase one down there, right? 78. Is that is that approximately the each phase will have approximately? I mean, I think there's four or five phases. So, there's, you know, it's a it's a long-term subdivision. So, it's a nice looking subdivision. Yeah, I fed them through there. It is nice. How did you do the uh the the sewage situation? I know it requires 15,000 square feet to to have a septic system on on a lot normally. So, how did you do that? Yes, sir.

I'm asking a question I already know the answer to, but we

Yes, sir. No, good question. So, you're exactly right. In order to do a septic tank in Slair County or pretty pretty much any county in Alabama, you have to have a 15,000 foot lot. So, the soil perk, so we did an on-site sewer system. I know that's been a concern when we were talking with Dan and Clay. They were, you know, concerned about that. And I I'll just give you a real brief overview not to bore you, but in order to do an on-site system, you bypass Slair County and you have to go to the Alabama Department of Environmental Management, which is ADM. But before they'll give you a permit for an on-site system, you have to, you know, go through all their permitting processes. They make you go to the public service commission of Alabama and you have to basically have a approved sewer management entity which is separate from the developer who they review their books. They make sure that they're solvent that they can take on a new sewer system.

And then they put it. So the public service commission says, "Okay, we approve this. They they're under our purview. All their rates will have to come through us. Everything is checked through the public service commission. Once they approve it, then and only then will ADM issue you. So there are checks and balances there. And I have known of a system that went bankrupt. And the reason they have that in place is because then the state steps in and says, "Okay, this sewer management entity obviously can no longer handle this. We're going to transfer it to another one that can." So

yeah, and we're kind of that's kind of where my question was uh was go was leading. Uh the county doesn't have a a sewer system, but we do have a lot of money invested in the municipal sewer systems. Uh we don't invest necessarily in the private sewer system. Uh I think Riverside had three private discharge, three three private plants there. Uh so the county not being in the sewer business, you'd think it really wouldn't worry us very much if you had a onsite sewer system, but you still had to have a discharge permit. And within that discharge permit, you discharge in a stream that our municipal systems have to apply for permitting into. So for every amount that loads those streams, it does end up affecting the municipal systems. Uh and and we're aware of that. So that was one of the reasons we're trying to maintain. If you're in the unincorporated part of the county, you go on septnic system or you show us why what you're going to do and will it impact uh for instance there it's probably impacting Rabbit Branch uh and then Rabbit Branch is impacted with uh three different marinas that have house boats and then but now then house boats at least have to have pumpout stations. So all this has been a ongoing thing to be resolved and it's getting better, but we still say that counties have an inherent right to the uh challenges to the discharge permit program because we definitely put money into the municipal systems. So that's that's one of the things we wanted to point out about. would rather be on 15,000 square foot and have septic tank systems where you didn't have to go through the discharge permit if you didn't have to if it per

uh but you can do so late on an underground injection control permit so it doesn't go into a creek you may not even have a discharge permit on those that's why I think Dan has built in the variance program that would come back to us if you can show that system then you you you negate our argument

right we're not discharging. We're going back in the ground like a be wait a minute that if it's discharged into rapid branch, yes, we're interested. Um, if you're not, you're doing injection, it's approved by a higher authority, we don't have a problem, but you come back to Dan first and then he'd bring it to us for a variance, but I think we have builtin variances for those things, don't we, Dan? You'll speak to that. We we do have variance section to our subdivision rings that we're proposing.

Yep. And then the other part would be in your situation, you're discharging traffic for instance onto uh uh US uh state highway 231. I think it's route no route 25 411 but whatever that one is down there 231 highway.

Uh that's not as much of an issue for us because you had to go to the state and that's why you had to put turn lanes in down there. And at some point we'll end up doing the same thing on some of our county roads. will be requiring turn lanes too because of the impact in and out of our roads. Um there again though if you if you're restricted to the to the 15,000 ft but you want to go to uh six or eight then you come back to us for the variance and then you bring that argument up. We're not discharging on your road. So it's not a traffic problem for the county. I think I think we're building in variances you can ask for. It doesn't impact our sewage. Doesn't impact our Now the next one that we're concerned about that's been brought up. We've been going through these two years.

Two years with committees. We've been going through it for 20 that I know of a long time. We've looking at subdivision regulations. We've held off because we're pretty conservative county and we don't want to do any more land use regulations than we have to. Uh that's why we're a long way from zoning and planning for instance. Uh so we built in the variances and and a developer may have to come back to us with an argument. Uh yeah, you got to come back to the bureaucracy and the political process there, but we want to protect our rights to the discharge on the county road of of traffic. We want to protect our rights to the discharge permits in the streams. Um the storm water runoff management is going to be part of this. uh we have to have a storm water runoff plan uh required by a FEMA that who does that through EPA EPA.

So so we've got we've got a builtin liability

for development even in the unincorporated area without zoning and planning. So we wanted to be sure that those developments came before us to answer those liabilities uh as we go. That's kind of why that's that's why where we are. But we also know that we have variances in there. Uh and and we also know that we want to be fair to the developer. We want our county to grow. Uh but we don't uh we don't want it to grow without some sort of necessary uh checks and balances. That's happened in other growth counties. Uh we we've we've looked at Shelby County. We're not we're not even we didn't even use their standards,

but we did. The reason we didn't is we don't like theirs. Mhm. Uh Shelby County, for instance, has more unregulated development than we want. We looked at Blunt County and Edaw is a different reason. So that's kind of why we're where we are. Uh I guess from standpoint as a a government entity and the developer, what kind of barrier would you see going through our variance process? And I I haven't we didn't focus that much on the variance process because I think it was a very small portion of it.

There's no standard on it. So it was very vague. And I mean, I would suggest that instead of and I we have our our our lawyer here who may know this better than me, but instead of just going to a blanket 15,000 foot lot minimum, which is is a big jump from where we are, if there were ways to, you know, maybe not take that leap of that big of a leap, but still have variances built in that were more, I guess, more called out within the code so that the developer knows kind of what he has to go through in order to get that because right now I don't think it was very well spelled out. So, and I I I do want Martin to come up because Martin is a

Sure. Yeah. Now is the time to get these things answered but like I say, we've been working on this pretty diligently with committees and all that now for several years. Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chair. My name is Martin Evans. My address is 2001 Parkplace North, sweet 540, Birmingham, Alabama 35203. Um, I am the general counsel for the Birmingham Homebuilders Association and I practice land use law in Birmingham and throughout the state and uh, serve. You literally have written the book, your family, your dad.

I know you daddy. That's right. And and and frankly, that's kind of why the way I am. I was born into this stuff. Nobody one day dreams of reading subdivision regulations for a living. I promise you. Uh so I appreciate y'all's patience with us and and I apologize. I am just really getting involved in this and and u I know this has been going on for a long time. I commend y'all for adopting subdivision regulations. Like uh Rhett said, we are not against subdivision regulations. I think uh Slair County's got great opportunities for growth in the future. And we also want quarterly growth and the utilities for be protected and everything like that. Um, speaking about the variance process, the variance section in the subdivision regulations is really similar to the general variance process that you would see in zoning regulations which requires the applicant to prove that he would suffer an unnecessary hardship if he had to literally comply with the text of the ordinance. And so it's a very high burden to prove a variance. And um like Rhett said, ideally there would be standards, you know, and it wouldn't just be up to the whim or kind of ad hoc inquiry of the body to determine on, you know, case by case basis. Yeah, maybe there's enough of a hardship here, maybe there's not here. You know, that line is is hard to to hold that middle ground. And so that's where the variance process although we appreciate it it certainly is a mechanism to give us some sort of relief it doesn't delineate the instances when you can get relief or not and you know you know bear in mind it's part of a development you know there's a lot of planning that goes into it and they're just typically in the zoning context or subdivision context the standards and what the requirements of a

developer are are expressly set out in the ordinance and so to push things to a variance process, it just allows for inconsistency and not having guarantees. But it it is it's a good thought. It's a good kind of way to try to catch it all, but I I think in this instance, it's not the complete we wouldn't give complete relief, other words. So, um, but so Brett spoke to you a little bit about, you know, his particular situation and and by the way, I represent several developers who have developments going on within St. Clair County right now. And, um, you know, they will have their own individual impacts, but as far as the Greater Birmingham Home Association, there's a larger impact kind of across the industry. Um, and so, you know, obviously we are not are not opposed to subdivision regulations, but we do have to be careful that we don't overregulate. Okay. Um, that can create unintended significant consequences. Um, when you deal with these land use regulations, you've got the unquestionable authority of government to regulate through its police powers and adopt rules and regulations for the safety and welfare of the community. But that often times runs right up against to private property rights that are guaranteed by the fifth amendment of the United States Constitution as applied through the 14th amendment. And so that there is a line and a strong line to where these two protected interest, you know, meet. And so that's where I look at this. I mean, everything that you've said, Mr. Chair, I've been impressed with. And from a practical perspective, I couldn't agree with you more. You being concerned about your MPDS permits and everything is certainly a valid concern. But we've got to appreciate

that there's kind of an overriding layer too of the law and and certainly the state code gives the county the authority to adopt subdivision regulations. But then we have federal statutes too in the United States Constitution that say well local government though yeah it can regulate but it can't go so far as to deprive a property owner of property rights. It can't go so far as to, for example, create a hurdle to the provision of h affordable housing. That would violate the fair housing act. You know, if if the regulations cause such an increase in lot cost that goes into house cost that makes housing unattainable, it will have the effect of not allowing affordable housing. That would have a disperate impact on minorities. And so there's there's all these overlapping laws that, you know, sometimes it's hard to even grasp the concept, let alone to know when you're running a foul of it or getting close to it. And so are we talking about section 8 housing or what are we talking about here?

No, sir. No, sir. Probably talking about taking No, I'm not taking clause and those kind of things as well.

That's right. Takings. But I'm not talking about section 8 housing. I'm not here to push for section 8 housing at all. But I'm saying when your regulations, even if there's not an intent, okay, to deprive lower income people of of houses, okay, if the the regulations have the result of doing that, then it can violate the Fair Housing Act. And so, for example, in Rhett's situation, you know, if he's got a development where he's well, his is a very upscale development, but if you've got a development where right now, you know, you've got sewer available and you have you could develop a 6,000 foot lot on it, but after these sub these regulations are adopted, you can only develop a 15,000 foot lot. So now you've you've doubled the size of your lot, you've doubled the size of the land and the cost that goes into the house and that drives up the overall cost of housing. And so when you go look at the demographics in the county, what are the what's the median sales price of houses across the board and then you see how much the regulations increase the cost of the lot and where that pushes you where the median house level is. If only the wealthy non- minority people can afford houses, that's where it violates the Fair Housing Act. And and I'm and I'm not saying that as a threat at all. It's just to be conscientious of that there is a line that is a very protected line that we've got to make sure we don't cross. So here are there there's there's several big issues that I have noticed that I just wanted to bring to light. And I'm going to just list them first and then I'll kind of touch on each of them. The first thing is

Are you already aware of these Dan? Is he talking comments you have sent to? Yes. Yes. I talked with your county attorney. He'll be generally out.

Yes sir. So there is a savings provision under section 10.2 and um which is good but it's it could be better. Okay. The minimum lot sizes under section 5.6 six are concerning. The single family dwelling only requirement under section 5.6 are concerning as are the setback uh within section 5.6 and then the minimum lot widths in 5.6 six the rightway dedication requirements and then these are much smaller matters but the regulations require the final plat to be identical to the preliminary plat and just procedurally I don't think we we want that

you you go get a you go get a preliminary plat drawn up you go out you start developing your lot you realize oh there's rock over here you know I need to reconfigure lots you know in some small manner and then you come back to get your final plat approval and they say well it's not identical to your preliminary plat I think most your subdivision regulations but that's not my interpretation of what we have we can look we can look at I mean the identical word is in there but I mean we're happy to talk through that I'm not yeah we've run into some of that as we've worked through right what few restrictions you have now

right and another thing is I don't know that there's a provision for private roads you know I think all of your newly credited lots have to be on public roads, but you know that would prevent there being like upscale gated communities. Well, it it would prevent upscale I live in a a gated community that's not really upscale. I live I live in a a a high tower development in city in the city Linux. Uh and even we have 60oot rideways even with valley gutters and drains and all that, right? Uh so that's what we're trying to maintain there with still having enough. For instance, we had the uh we had a huge push to do fiber optics,

right? Federal a federal move. If we had not had that in our subdivision, we wouldn't have been able to check off on on the HOA's area clearing the way for all our fiber optics.

I I hear you and and just indulge me for a second, please. I know this is sometimes I I laugh myself hear myself talk about this thing but but there's there's several kind of overarching theories. So I kind of touched on the fair housing act. Okay. Then there's this overarching theory under the fifth amendment of the constitution as applied through the fourth amend 14th amendment to the states and counties. Okay. That government can impose reasonable regulations on a property developer. Okay. That's a given. But the regulations that they impose and the conditions they impose on their development have to be roughly proportionate to the adverse impact created by the development. Okay? So, in other words, if we're going in and putting in a thousand lot subdivision, I'm a developer putting in a thousand lot subdivision. I'm going to add 4,000 trips of traffic onto that road. Absolutely. The government can say you have to now dedicate enough area for us to install a turn lane,

for example, okay, you've got to go and create better sight distance because your development is going to create an adverse impact on the road. Okay, but the conditions that government imposes have to be proportionate to the adverse impact and there has to be a relationship between the condition and the adverse impact. So, for example, if y'all say, "Hey, you got to have 60 foot rightway on all of your roads." Well, you know, typically 50 foot right away is required. Okay. You were fortunate to have 60. Sorry.

Except in St. Cl right right as of as it's written. That's right. And so, yes, you were fortunate to have extra rightway to install fiber optic lines. But if you stop and think about it, that fiber optic line was able to it's really for the benefit of the public, not for the individual developer. And the cost and the of that rightway that was dedicated was born by the developer

for fiber optic cable that wasn't associated with him. And so there's not a nexus between that condition. In other words, I don't think it would be appropriate for the county to say, "We're going to go ahead and require this individual developer who's got this fixed development to create capacity for us to serve the general public. That goes beyond what the actual authority is of of government." Okay. In my opinion. And so, um, you know, kind of to that point, just talking about while we're talking about the 60 foot wide rideway, you know, your standard traveling lane is 12 ft or less. And sometimes it can be limited. I'm not a engineer. Dan can probably laughing at me. when I say Ashto Greenbo, but you know there are if if you got a 12 foot wide traveling lane and you got two foot of curb and gutter. So that's 14 ft for one lane curb and gutter and you got another 14 ft for curb and gutter. That's 28 ft.

Right. That's before you put in storm drain. Correct. All right. And then you take out 60 ft. There's an additional 16 ft of rightway on either side. And yes, that storm drain I agree if it's for only for storm drain that is for that development. I agree. I agree. But if you're requiring right away that's in excess of what is necessary for that actual adverse impact, then that's where it crosses the line. Yeah. And so, um, and I know ours, but you can have a private road if you want to. We don't even have to take it in. You can make it a private road. I didn't think your subdivision regulations will even allow for that.

It uh we still allow private roads. Okay. They have to be built up the same standard. Right. Right. Okay. And and and the way we came out with part of that is let's just say you include the storm drains. Some kind of storm drain 24 in pipes. It's big and so you got a great big ditch. So you got to have plenty of room. Then when you apply in fiber uh you you got a 8ft tractor on each side. You got a bulldozer, right? plow in fiber and then if you've got u uh natural gas, you don't want it where the plow's plowing, right? It starts pinching the stuff down if we get much less than than the six feet. That's kind of where we've looked at that

and that's assuming all those utilities are on the same side of the road and but but but for this additional 16 ft of rightway on the other side, that's literally enough to add another lane of traffic. Yeah. And and so that's where, you know, I just I'm not trying to harp on this, but that's where that's just an example of where there's a line and we got to be careful about where it is. And so here here's if you'll bear with me just another minute. I This is very important to us. I'm sorry. Oh, too. We've been working on this. I know. Take your time. I'm picking up on quite a few. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Well, for example, your savings provision. Okay. This this says it's towards the end of the subdivision regulations. It's very helpful. Okay. The intent of it is to tell developers and the public here's when these regulations are going to go into effect. Okay. And it states that if you've already receive preliminary plat approval that you're not bound by these new subdivision regulations. Okay? Which is which is helpful. But there are other instances where that could be very bad for a developer. Say rep for example. Okay, he's building a multi-phase development. He's gotten final he's gotten preliminary plan approval on his first phase. He's installed a sewer system, hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to serve the entire neighborhood that would only pencil out and made financial sense if he had the density and enough lots to be able to,

you know, more houses, more revenue off the sewer rates. Exactly. And so if he hasn't received preliminary plat approval yet for his next sectors that were part of his overall plan, then he's got to come into compliance with these new regulations and now he's got to build 15,000 square foot minimum lots.

That'll put him upside down and that'll put him in default under construction loans. And then we'll be back in 2008 and we'll be having a bunch of people living in sector one with you know stubbed out roads and and you know developers that are belly up and can't develop the remaining remainder of their phases. And so we need to work through something there to figure out like if if if a developer is currently working under a approved preliminary plat for one phase and we need to be able to develop out the remainder of the subdivision under the old subdivision regulations for example. I understand that.

All right. Thank you. Um, so the minimum lot sizes and lot widths, you know, I talked to you a little bit about the Fair Housing Act and and you know, as it states now across the board, 15,000 minimum square foot lots. Um, you made a good point. I I did not I did not expect that. I I I knew there was a reason, but I wasn't sure what it was. But Parker gave me that tip. Well, you made that's a great point. when you're concerned about your NPDS permits and you don't want everybody on sewer discharging in your water and I and I understand that

and that's the same uh and then we we're going to eventually get into some of the clauses that are in our our environmental regulations on using the best available technology. That's another term that we're going to bump heads with. What is the best available technology? Maybe it may be injection more than it is a discharged sewer plant. I don't know, right? But we ran into that with land. Yes, we have an inherent right through case law and other law to regulate landfills even though it's on private property, right? Because we have a right to the people's refuse going somewhere in a permitted place

other than the environmental runoff and all that stuff. So that's kind of what we looked at this year. We we we feel like we got a right to do that. Somewhere in there though, we want to be able to have a wiggle room where you can variance may not be that may not be uh open enough, right?

Uh I think we we've looked at all of these and and and there are still some questions even some of the committee uh we feel ready to move on with approving it subject to legal review. That could stop things for a while. legal review would cover all this but it but we have now done our part. We are moving forward with subdivision regulations subject to legal review and if we pass that for instance through commission say Tuesday we already also know that the the day that we say okay these are the sub regulations and that's fine legal review is checked off now have wait 30 days but the 30 days get

we have to waste 30 days we yeah so we know you know let's just say it takes legal 30 or 60 days to work out these things they bring that back. Some of that may be in section 10.2 or wherever the questionable places are. Uh with Dan, we know that they now have a legal reason. Uh that's the county commission not being a legal group other than our attorney here. That's that's that's basically he's just a commissioner right now. Uh but he's just like the rest of we don't know. So So we're going to we're going to do our part. Yes, sir. And move it to the legal part. That's kind of the it's kind of where we're kind of leading.

We got a lot of citizens in this county who's been complaining about the way subdivision are being done now. Yes. About these lot sizes and stuff. So, we want to do what's right for the citiz. And we looked at cities which are some of theirs are bigger and more more and all that. To me, 15 is not bad. That's fair. And it shouldn't be any smaller. And I will not vote for a smaller any smaller lot than that. Okay. Well, what were you going to say, Kirk?

Well, I I'd just like to weigh in about the um the possibility of um the commission moving forward with approval and then, you know, you know, deferring to uh legal review, subject to legal review. Um, I guess my recommendation would be um, if we could I know that it's been delayed a number of times. I'm not delaying it anymore.

I understand and that and that's fine. I just like to put the advice out there for your consider a parliamentary trick that we can use to to even do that. We may go ahead and have a motion in a second that will put this on the table. Then these questions will come up without repeating them all again because we'll know about them. And then somebody else says considering the discussion on some legal review. I move that we table this to date certain or just a table motion. We now have it on our table. We are moving. We're moving. And at least Tuesday, this coming Tuesday, we've done something to move this another step. And and that's that's kind of where that kind of gives all of us some feeling that we've done something.

Well, my concern would be I mean I take that this is a resolution ordinance of a permanent nature. It's got to be published, right? So it's a resolution and and so it's got to be published verbatim and then if there's legal review that later changes it, you know, does that have to come back before the county commission? And is there is there a gap time? Is there a gap where this ordinance that feel like we've got some valid concerns about is on the books?

I think if you even brought one of them up, we passed it subject to legal review. Let's just go back to that without even taking it. We pass it. So, and I know our attorneys are advising us, they'd rather let's not do it that way because we're really giving it to them. We're dumping it off on them. But if there's even one legal review that causes him to question it, he's not he hadn't approved it yet. So, it it hadn't proved it. He hadn't this hadn't been approved yet. Subject to our uh resolution, our resolution subject to approval by legal review or whatever the wording is going to end up to be. Uh we feel like but we do feel like we moving it forward.

I understand like 95% of it's pretty good. You're right. It is. But but there's the 5% is is the problem that is is perhaps unlawful and and that's the concern is where you want us to change the lot size I I don't see that happen can I say something yes sir I come in here 15,000 was set I understood in my mind but being that this young man is whoever Mr. Loveman is it that's developed. I know they put 8 in duct line iron water line in and you're subject to go all the way to driving range eventually and come out on a county road. Yes sir.

I I wouldn't be against just singling that out and letting that follow through because it is first class and I've driven in that neighborhood. Yeah. what I worry about going forward, what's going to protect us, the county in the future, right? That's all. Yes, sir. But I don't have a problem personally to take care of this project and set it aside if that's doable. Well, let me ask you this. And then going forward after that, no more.

Mr. Parker, let me ask you this. If you got a piece of property in a lowline area that won't park, okay, but it is in a good area for residential development, even though you only have zone, you say, you know what, that's an ideal place for housing, okay? Our only choice is run sewer there. Only choice because it won't hurt, right? Mhm. So, if we have a 15,000 minimum square foot on our lots, that may not be enough density to ever run silver there. may not pay for that.

And so that property is now relegated for agricultural use or something else and it's not being put to its highest and best use. It's not creating tax dollars for the city that it could be. It still deals on agriculture. Well, yes, sir. But it can't if it was developed for a residential development and then houses were constructed on it. There was a if it would pencil out if there was, you know, if it was economically viable to do it. And that's where that's just a specific example where across the board 15,000 square feet is could be very problematic. Yeah, I can see I can see where it would be if I was a developer. Yeah. Right.

If I'm a if I'm a citizen down a road, I might see the reasoning for that. not to not to be constitutionally against uh uh the taking clause or or or keeping poor people from buying property there, right? Uh but from u something we may not have in there yet. For instance, we may not have the aesthetics in there. We might need we may need to acquire green spaces. So all these kind of tricks are in zoning and planning and we're trying to stay away from zoning. We're not ready for zoning and planning in the county and the issues it brings up. But we are ready to move on. Blunt County, Edwalk County have some similar things. I don't know how our lot sizes compare to what they have in here. Dan, did you have something?

Yes, sir. I was just going to say, I mean, you know, I feel like a lot of this could be taken care of if we remap the barant side and like, you know, the development down there. He's showed us that well the basically the plan for the whole area there before. So, we were aware of this. Mil Creek's the same. So, you know, we got things like that and there again, I'm not the one to word this, but I feel like that, you know, if you're willing to work with our county attorney that it could be spelled out where most of this could be taken care of in the variance.

Well, I it might be able to, but but you got to understand the variance process. I mean, has anybody ever filed a variance? Everybody ever gotten denied? anybody or gotten approved and then some neighbor appealed you to the circuit court and you're sitt there in a jury trial on a jury trial docket for two years before you get a resolution and you got this property tied up under contract. You don't know whether you going to get approved. Just leaving it to the variance process drags this out and and leaves you in an unknown. And frankly, a neighbor who's got the ability to hire a lawyer and fight you on it could, you know, timing kills deal could could kill your deal even if y'all want to grant the variance.

Well, and I'm late. I I mean we had some flood zone issues and they've already went there and they've had flood study done and everything. So in a way I feel like we've already approved a lot of that because but these regulations if passed do not give us that approval and and and if they're passed as they are

and let me let me I I think feeling the the uh the will of the commission and where we're trying to go. We're very aware that our county overall under the last census was 74% rural. We do not want the same regulations they've got in the municipalities. We don't want that. We're deliberately being trying to be careful in having different subdivision regulations in the unincorporated area than they have in the municipalities. We're trying to deliberately do that and stay within the constitution. What's the impact of that though? That's the concern. That's right.

Now, now I'm restricting how a person that owns 200 acres can develop his land up to a point. Uh or what your neighbor will get if he's got that lowline area. Red's not going to buy it now. Yeah. You know, the neighbor over there is getting $2 million for it, but the neighbor's not going to buy it. Another problem we got too out the county is these s being built and then they get the runoff. Water runs off down you know on people that been living there most of their life then you flooding them out down there and then ain't nothing we can do about it and ain't nothing they can do about it then they got to figure out how to get the water off them but then you got a s put the water down there. So we got we got flood water issues too.

Well and I'm assuming that most y'all have regulations that say post construction runoff rate can't exceed your pre-construction runoff rates. But that's pretty much standard practice. We don't have anything in place right now. That's all in that's all it's sound engineering practices these days would dictate that yes clean water right that the amount of surface water the rate of it flowing down can't exceed

if it ends up in a ditch and you can create nexus now then you've got waters of the US. We battle that this thing grows horns to where we cannot ever pass what we're trying to do. We are trying to have different regulations in the unincorporated public county. We got 10 municipalities. We just had a developer I was at a meeting uh last week, this week, t Monday night, Monday night. And we had a developer in the unincorporated part of the county that's had a little issue because he said Dan turned down his plat. Well, he really didn't. Uhhuh. Because he didn't have a plaque. Uh uh so he comes up with a legitimate plaque. You know, right now only thing we've got is Dan is the engineer required to sign the PL. Why? What does it even say? I guess so we can make sure that he didn't draw roads that went off the bluff. I don't know. But Dan basically in the past years ago, the county engineer said, "Okay, here's a plat sign." Uh we're trying to design our subdivision regulations to be more restricted than those that are in a municipality because that meeting Monday night at municipality, he petitioned that city to take his subdivision in.

Good. Good. Now then it's a municipality, right? We're happy with that. Now then y'all handle it kind of. Kind of. But we know that there's a different a different want. There's a different want by the land owners that are here now in the unincorporated area than there is in the incorporated. Yeah. Dogs running at large. I guess what I'm saying chicken to keep it simple where I can understand it. Yeah. Had we had these rags in effect four years ago, that young man wouldn't be down there developing that. That's correct. Bottom line. That's correct. But I'm telling you, it's a first class sub. But there was a huge

Well, my point being he didn't know and he's invested. I know a bunch of money and anticipating being able to finish that. I'm not the only He's not alone. I was gonna say and I'm not I'm not saying we need to go forward with with it in the future. I just don't want to cut him off with all the money. He's invested a chunk of money. Yeah. And before you did though, the owner of that property, the side farm property, the original owner came to us and had these same concerns. And we've been doing this publicly for two years. For a while.

And before he came, citizens in the community came says, "Y'all going to have to stop that. We we can't stop it. It's not our land. It's this man's land." So that's pushed us forward to trying to do these regulations. As you know, a little bit. We got to move it a step forward. I I totally get it. And I mean I for the sake of my clients like Rhett and others, I mean I damn near get down on my knees and say please don't pass these things. And I mean just for an example of there there are some very concerning things. I started down my list. How many how many lots you got in that subdivision you got right now? 78 lots of How many you plan on building?

There are there are about four or five phases that are about 78 lots a piece. It's about So you're going to build five more phases. 78. That's correct. We have 380 houses over about 10 years. So you're looking at four or five put four or 500 houses in there. That is correct. That are selling for 40,000 more than the average sales price of a new home in St. Clair County. Yeah. And and and let me let me see if I can I don't want to be blunt, but we're not we don't really care about avalor tax. We don't get much of the county government doesn't get much abalore tax. We collect it, but it split to the schools. It split to the allar.

So we don't we don't get very much a tax. So So building a house and making it a $300,000 house instead of $200,000 that the avalord tax is not what this is. It's the impact of the overall development that is becoming the issue especially in the unincorporated area. I'm sure they run into this in the cities too. True. Uh but the what a cities get in April tax man five meals. I think the municipality gets five meals. If they didn't get sales tax they couldn't do they couldn't do business and and we get like seven here six there. Part of that goes to schools. I tell people look if you want a better library drink more beer cuz that's beer. So tax on beer fun our library.

Well we don't talk crazy start right now. Can we do that, sir? Can we do that? Do what? Protect that young man or then you do you do two or three days, but no more. I'm talking about ones that's up in and going out there just like Well, they fix to lose a bunch of money. They're going they're going to lose their shirts. I mean, they literally I'm going to be representing them against the bank to happen. We don't want that to happen. Yeah. Uh really, we definitely want to try to take care of those that are already engaged. That's my point. And that's all I've ever said. We we don't have a lot of sympathy for those we don't even know that are not engaged yet the future development. Yeah.

Uh the ones that's out there now that's like him you talking about like that is we got to come up with a plan to say okay but some point we can't just keep saying okay you done built phase one go ahead you going to build we're going to let you build four more phases at what you doing but it's a 10ear project I can't control park that's what like Mr. Mc Williams has just came up here and wish he's got mail. He He spent a million dollars on his sewer system. Where is he at? He just went to the restroom. He's right here. How many is he building? Robert 325. It's in P City. 325 on the peripher.

That's the one that needs water. We had a perfectly good motocross track. He needs water out there, too, don't he? Yeah, he does. I think you know I think we've heard he needs water. All I'm saying we need to make sure the ones it's engaged. Yeah, if he's engaged and started building yet he's been he's been grading. He's got final pl approve or preliminary plat approval on early uh on some of the preliminary phases of it and he has yes moved a lot of dirt. I'm talking about but he built a house you think no house ain't no lot but he s I'm going just if y'all don't mind I'd like to use that as an example

I mean he started this thing and I still don't have the plans for that subdivision not full so he's not engaged as far as our what little we have I think that you do have they were stamped in 2021 I think our engineer just said Yeah. You said you don't have he doesn't have plans from Milreek. We've emailed them to you again. To the engineer or to the revenue commissioner's office. Okay. We don't have them in re. We wouldn't have that unless it's officially officially signed. You wouldn't get them unless he's checked like I made the Mil Creek guy.

But Mr. Chair, I I really I know this has been I know I've been longwinded. No, no, that's fine. We appreciate you. Appreciate you. I'm sorry it's taking so long for me to get up here on this side. You got You got to understand our side of it, too. I completely do. Is we catching it from both sides. I get it. We get We kind of in the middle here. We catching it from, you know, we had all these meetings with all these developers and real estate people for two years. We've been having meetings with them. That's what we got citizens out here who are upset with us not having any regulation and these sudden be coming in be close to their property and then things could go downhill from there. We're actually I want 30 days.

That's all I want. We can do we can do 30 days and still do something even if it's table. I think I think we may be I may be leaning towards saying I think we ought to put it on the table. I think we ought to take it for 30 days and then we turn ours over to the attorney or we'll talk about this between now and Tuesday. We'll see. But have you done you know Dan's trying to retire? Yes. I know R Mc Williams out far as I'm concerned that out there ain't starting. Mr. Mc he's not built no houses. He ain't got no lot flats or none of that. But he's he spent a million dollars on a private sewer system. Yeah. And so and that's where he wouldn't have done it if he didn't have the density to make that work.

And that's where there there's that's you you get into this regulatory taking concept invested rights and the investment back expectations test for a regulatory federal taking. And if you have you buy a piece of property, you spend money based on existing regulations and then they change the regulations later on and that has an adverse economic impact on you. that gives rise to a regulatory thinking.

Let me let me go back to I think uh a matter of definition. Uh we we've had this come up with a couple of of people said I I turned in my plat. What's a plat? Isn't there a legal definition for what a plat is or is a drawing a plat? Because Dan gets a drawing. He says, "Wait a minute here. We're in the middle of developing subdivision regulations. This is not a plat. I ain't signing this." Right. This is not a plat. Right. And and but so what is a plat? We all got to first of all agree on did you turn in a flat sedan or did you turn in a preliminary drawing? So we need to know we just follow the whole set of drawings full set of drawings. I got you a preliminary plat. So Dan I don't know what

the law requires Dan to sign a plat before it can be recorded in the probate judge's office. That's the only hammer we've had for years. We're trying to get a little bit better hammer. We have a screwdriver to adjust some of this. Oh, I think we're on I think we're on something. I really do. I think we're going good direction. I mean, and I you know, whatever y'all want to do is y'all's decision, but at least at least when it comes Tuesday, he's retiring.

If we could have it where we cut off the comment period, we're going to work out the legal matters that are, you know, the possible changes been addressed. We're going to address those, but we're not taking any more comments after basically Tuesday. I'm not sure we have the right to do that. As far as we we're the law allows people to petition the county government. Yes, sir. And city government. So, we could be petitioned for comments. It may be in writing and we can restrict you to three minutes and all that goofy stuff.

He's talking about I know, but just to say no more comments. I don't know. We can I don't think we can say y'all can't say anymore. Well, practically speaking, I taking my three-year-old daughter and twin 5-year-old boys to Disney on Monday. And so, I'm going to be out of pocket until you're trying to get this done before work. All right. Now, we understand. I appreciate y'all hearing me out. But trying to avoid Disney. Is that what you're trying to do? I know what you're trying to do. You're going to Disney. You're trying to avoid going to Disney. That's amazing. I I just want I just want to be on record protecting the ones that's involved and already are on gold. But after the fact after the fact, all bets are off. I'm for signing those reg.

But we've got property. When you say, "Okay, that's where I'm at." He's invested in it. We have local people owning property and absentee land owners that don't not from here, don't live here, all over the county. How long back do we claim that they invested it with plans to put 200 houses on this 100 acres? I don't know how far back. I say if you hadn't turned in a plat, you way behind the curve. I think if you've turned over dirt, I think if you if you've turned in a master plan, there's been some sort of approval, permit, acknowledgement, something. I turn over dirt every day on my property.

All right, put it better way. There is effort towards development, significant effort towards the development of a plan. We can figure we can words smmith that and figure out exactly what I think his situation is the the ideal example. There's no creat and others. But the the point is is that you have to spend almost six figures now to get 78 lots fully engineered to submit to Dan. So obviously you don't go and fully engineer the whole thing because that would cost you north of a half a million dollars. So you do it in phases,

right? But there's no master plan approval in Slair County that Dan approves. So right now, if these subdivision regulations pass, I don't have anything. And he doesn't have anything. He doesn't have anything because phases two through five have not been engineered. Hadn't been planned. They haven't been planning for almost a year. Turning dirt over, putting in a prop sewer system, XYZ. Not But the plat is is on paper. Not until Mr. Donkey. So you have to meet all the requirements of the roads being in. So it's an expense to develop a plant. Yeah. So part of this is I don't want to spend this money yet on a plat because we ain't ready yet. Right. Because the market can't absorb it.

That's right. If I put 500 lots on the ground, we'd be in a lot of trouble. Understand? But but I'm saying that still doesn't negate the thought we we didn't hold that up. You could have spent more money and developed a plant and that would protect you. Your plat says this. that meets such and such rules, you're planning, you're you're signed, you're now at the probate office. I think you're recording. Yeah. I mean, I think that that would certainly be an example of where you'd have crossed the line. You've got some vested rights. Yeah.

But in like Rhett and Allen situation, the Williams' situation, you know, you buy a large master, you know, large piece of land, do a master plan community, put a million dollar system in. You don't you can't peacemail mill system, right? You got to put the whole thing at the on the beginning and you are planning for a certain density and you have capacity in the sewer system for say 500,000 lots and then the regulations get changed and make your lot sizes now over double. Now you've overbuilt your sewer system. You spend a lot of money that you shouldn't have had to spend.

That's right. And it may not even when you go to sell those lots and take them to market, it may not pencil out and you're going you're going to bankruptcy court.

I just wanted to respond to to there's a lot to respond to, but just the last thing you said, Mr. T, regarding, you know, submitted. So, just like Rhett said, in 2021, I started this project and had the plan drawn by an engineer. that Dan works with and I spent well over six figures on these plans and we implemented we sent those plans to Dan to review at some point. I don't know sitting here today because I wasn't expecting to have to go back three or four years. But I also contacted Dan back like August, September, somewhere in that area. We played phone tag two or three times. I asked for his email several times. I talked he was out of town or you know doing something which he does all the time. And so I talked to somebody in his office and he sent me his email address. And so I sent those and I have a copy of that email. And those plans rep are represented on seven pages of engineered plan. Now, they're not fully engineered, but it is a master plan, but it's seven pages of engineered drone stamped plans. Okay? Not to go build a subdivision, but to say, "Here is the complete project we are doing that we're putting in a $1.2 million sewer treatment plant for because there is no approval. There is no preliminary plat stamp. There is no come to the zoning m meeting to get it done like we do in other places. There is none of that. So is that preliminary

plant in your eyes? I spent well over 600 I mean uh $100,000 and I have the engineer stamp drawings and they were sent in back last year. I mean that's approval based on what you have today. That's approved for a sewer system. Approved for sub. We got How many houses you got planned for? 325. We have 60 ft rideways. We have green spaces. We have sidewalks. We have dog parks. What What size you plan your lots?

The lots are 60 to 65 ft wide. And in regard to your 15,000 square ft, what you've done is if you got a 15,000 square foot and let's say you got to try to maximize your lot sizes in order to pay for your infrastructure. You know, just make it easy math while we're all sitting here. You say, "Okay, well that's a 100 foot wide lot. I can live with 100 foot wide lot, but what I can't live is it's got to be 150 ft deep because now you can't have a double-sided road. Yeah.

Because your light property may not be wide enough. So now you got a single weighted road. So now you don't have enough density to pay for anything. But I could live with a 100 foot wide lot, say, you know, 100 ft deep or 125, whatever. 70 foot wide lot, 60 foot wide lot. But the 15,000 square foot when you have infrastructure is just overburden, overbearing. Makes sense. Thank you. Thank you. Of course, we haven't even talked about going up, right? And

that next place that we're going to have to address what if we build three floors, three story conducts. Well, and that's the the last thing I want to say. I won't shut up. I promise you. But there is a provision in there that says you can only have one single family residence on each lot. Right. The subdivision regulations, the enabling legislation for the subdivisions says you can regulate streets, utilities, and size of lots. Doesn't say use, doesn't say what type that use regulating single family or multif family or all that is a zoning concept.

That's not permitted under the enabling legislation for the subdivision. So if as adopted the way it's written, I mean I could see an interpretation of you can't have duplexes anymore on any newly created lots, can't have multif family, can't have apartments, got to have single family, detached residential. And so that is to me a a kind of a glaring issue that we need to resolve. I think it would be just best if we could get 30 days. Let's let's work through these things with your attorney. let them come back with a recommendation on whether I'm right or wrong, you know, and then we at least have kind of narrowed down the issues. I'd appreciate it.

Thank you. Thank you'all very much. Okay. Thank y'all. Thank everybody for your input into this. We appreciate that. Uh and Dan, we we we still we know we still have work to do. Uh are there any Chinese nationals in here? Okay. I I go ahead and tell my Chinese story. Uh, I had a house in Orange Beach, three bedroomedroom, two bath brick house in a subdivision. And uh, I uh, I went through a divorce. I didn't mean to. It was my first wife. And, uh, she she should have divorced me, so she did. Uh, this is 20 something years ago. Which wife was that?

My only act like I've had I only had only had two. This is my first wife. We sold a nice subdivision in Orange Beach. There's not a more regulated entity in this state than Orange Beach and G Shores. I'm telling you, they they got the regulations. Well, we sold the house innocently enough to this Chinese guy. And he uh had a Chinese restaurant

and uh uh and and he bought the house legitimately wrote check for it, which is really even better. Uh well, somewhere in Orange Beach's rules, they didn't say he couldn't take our two-car garage and make three more bedrooms out of it. So now my neighbors have six bedrooms worth of Chinese people that work at the local restaurant down the street next door. All of them with a car. You know, as as an elected official, I'm trying to guard against that kind of thing. And within that, I still want to be fair though to the developer. Hey, on a light note, how many square feet was it? 15,000 square feet on that. I'm just kidding.

We I had sewer. I had sewer. I don't I don't think it was. I think it's I think it's more like 8,000. Uh, thank everybody though for their input. We're still working through this. Would y'all remember we're working under the knowledge that St. Clair County in the last census 74% rural. Every municipality, all 10 municipalities have farms in it. This is still a rural county and this is the first big step we're making towards any land use regulation. So, we're struggling with that and we're and we're we don't think our citizens are ready for zoning and planning. Uh, I worked with a student shop down in Shelby County for years and Alex warned me, "Don't do this. We're trying not to do that." So, and by the way,

because of putting some restrictions, for instance, Dan at least has a situation where our our minimum regulation right now is if you don't build your road up to the standards of the county engineer on the day you come in to ask us to take it, we ain't taking it. Just that simple. So, our local developers, mostly local, they they've said, "You know what? We can get more money out of our lots if we'll use plant mix and valley gutters just on their own." So, without regulations, we've been able to do that. Uh, so now we're at the next step where we got to start requiring some of those kind of things. So, that's where we are. We're going to be stretching our wings and see if we want to do it right and be fair for everybody. Uh, okay. Thank you.

Yes, sir. Thank y'all. Y'all y'all welcome to stay. Uh, we borne out our welcome. No, we're gonna talk about Alabama Power Company putting in a multi-million dollar transmission line to accommodate subdivisions in Margaret.

There you go. That's right, Dan. This is officially your longest segment in five years I've been on commission. I still think I still think and then and of course they've had their comments. I still think from a commission standpoint within in house we need to talk about are we ready to do something Tuesday and we definitely know I definitely believe that whatever we do Tuesday has got to have some legal review that if that is I know I know you won't vote for a 15,000 8,000 foot lot but if I'm not here Tuesday and I'm in Washington you be the chairman you don't even get a vote I'm not for voting for that either but I don't bankrupt these two people.

That's right. That's all I'm saying. So, so this is a good Yeah, that's right. I can't bankrupt. I know what they put in it. Yeah, that one guy. So, we've got I just wonder where they at. 20 years. I I think you said if we don't if we don't end up with some pretty good restrictions out there then we don't have any visitors concerned about them. I know about before we leave this subject completely.

Tell us what you go by a plat what first of all I don't remember exactly what the law says that say the county engineer is required to sign a plat before it can be recorded in the probate office. Is that about all it says? Yes, sir. Now, what's a plan? A plat is just the subdivision, the layout. I mean, we have a description on our website.

Elevations. No, I don't mean description on your website. I'm talking about what would if if we're in court and somebody says I think your definition of the plat doesn't match mine. Uh I I think before you sign off a plat and it doesn't say you that you have to, I think it ought to include elevations. It's going to affect our storm water runoff. It's going to affect our pipes going under our roads. I mean, it's a uh So, it's going to have to include elevations and a lot of them don't want to do that part because that's you got to survey the whole thing and don't go to one foot contours or 6 in. We uh they did that on this one. So, they made as much dirt as he said he is. He's got a draw. He's got elevation. He did.

If there's a flood zone that's associated with it, they have to do the contours and have that marked out. Now, that's Now, that's it. That's in the unincorporated. That's up to you. Uh yeah, I mean it's our flood damage prevention ordinance. Okay. That's in the That's in that flood ordinance thing. Flood plane. That's a federal. That's correct. Absolutely. But uh and if they turn in a plat that's got all that on it

right now, the way we are today, they turn in a plat that's got something that affects anything any question we can come up that affects us. That's ingress egress to a county road. It impacts whether or not the permit for uh discharge for sewer system affects an entity uh or elevation that affects our flood plane management. I don't think you have to sign it. That's all that's done. But once they do all that right now, the only rules we got is you you don't have any what would you fall back on to not sign it? You got to sign it pretty much all that done. if they have not provided like a bigger type subdivision. I mean, we we require them to do like a traffic study to see if they're

But we require That's our requirement. See, but have we voted on that? Uh, not officially. No, sir. See, that's what I'm saying. We We've got to tighten up something that we're doing here. We're out on a limb kind of. And I agree. We need a traffic study probably for if you're going to have 400 houses dumping out on 231, that's one thing. But if they're going to be dumping out on 231 or they can go out to back and go out by uh uh the folks that live on that back road back there. Mhm. Yes. We need we need a traffic. State's going to need one on 231 which they probably did it and they did a trial. But does that subdivision show going all the way through? It's going through. Yeah. I only reason I know that I was involved with New London water when they first

get approval from you to connect road all the way through and tie back into our county road. Well, they they have showed an overall plan that shows that, but we ain't approved it for them to tie it back into our county under our rules. Now, we don't have to, you know, he's talking like a 10-year plan. I mean, when they get there to that point, I mean, he's done some traffic studies and just to be honest, sitting standing right here, I can't remember if he even showed anything on uh driving range road. Uh might have, might not, but uh 10 years of traffic count on driving range roads probably be higher. It's going to have to be re-evaluated. Did the other one dumps out on Robert's me? Well, is the little road that goes out there to it a county road? No.

Uhuh. Went out. Okay. The shell's prop. I I don't It's not our road. I don't think that's why they come to us wanting water down there helping get water. They got to have water. They had the they had the motocross track. And again, I don't want y'all to think I'm I'm not for I'll never sign a document saying I'm okay with 8,000 square foot, but I'm I'm for protecting the two that's involved. I wouldn't want nobody to pull a million dollars out from under me. Would any of y'all seriously? No. I think you're right. I I think I mean they didn't know. They didn't know. At my age, as long as they throw on it to me, I don't care. That's all that's all I'm saying. I'm not I'm not from doing but I see what you say

thing in the future like that. Yeah, we got to protect the people that's got that these people that put millions of dollars in this. Seriously. And how many we got? Just them two. Oh, there's you going to have some more coming here. Them two. You going to have two or three more. Next thing you going to have somebody show up. Well, I done move some dirt around down here and I'm going to put a sun be in and now you want to come in with 6,000. You got to cut it off somewhere. If you ain't going to take it out nowhere, don't even do a regulation and just let it go. Yeah. I mean, you got to get it going into effect. You got to have I agree with that and I'm going I'm okay with the regulations, but I'm just saying how would you feel if you had a couple of million two to three million

provision to take care of these particular people? Yeah. And then move on. and and the varian is the more specific and that's probably we can move on and by the end well yeah and at some point in time you have to understand uh that's why developers also take on another definition they're speculators right now they're really they're out on a limb speculating because we can change our rules

if they got something that's simple enough to not I mean we we change our rules that they've got to go by. Now they've speculated wrong. That's kind of where we're saying we are right now. It it it they're speculating. Well, I wouldn't have uh I wouldn't bought that property if it wasn't some kind of protection that I was going to be able to do it all the way through no matter what the county did. I've been here saying y'all need some subdivision regulations. Protect me. That make sense? Okay. Yeah, it does. So, that's kind of where we are. We've got them everywhere that we didn't approve because finished and and we got them laying out there sort of on paper. We got them on drawings he's never seen. There there's subdivisions been laid out that were never developed. Yeah.

We we've had to go back and roads that we never claimed, never were built. We've had to go back and Okay. give the ride away, go through the procedure to to get rid of it. Basically, they're on paper. They got cows on them. Mhm. So, uh, something needs to happen there. Uh, I think we're closer than what we've been. Well, we pull some kind of trigger Tuesday. What kind? It's going to make our logger nervous. We pull some kind of trigger Tuesday. We may step. That's what I've

That's when you're going to Washington to get out of that question. I think we need to pull this trigger Tuesday while I'm gone. Simple enough. But really, even if it's the next Tuesday soon, we need to put something on the table for reged on is okay. Be be warned out there. If you about to buy 500 acres in St. Clair County that don't have any rules, they're fixing to have rules. That's right. Absolutely. Wouldn't pass them to say they go in effect 30 days, 45 days, whenever. whatever we do, you got advertisement attorneys to hold off.

I I think that there's I think that the a lot of the friction can get resolved with just some conversation and figuring out hearing them out. I mean, I know y'all have just heard a bunch of it and um but I think there's a path forward. I just think we just need a little bit of time. In my opinion, it's better for us to move forward with something that we can live with on into the future than to do something today that we know we're going to have to fix. You know, we know we got problems with it or that maybe invites exposure. I just only thing I've heard here today is

they want us change lot size, which I'm not changing lot size and they not wanting to give us as much rideway, which we not we're going to keep our rideway. So that's the only other argument I hear and there is which I'm not for changing it and then only other argument I hear is one that we're hear about them. Well, we put put something in there saying covering them. So it goes in effect this date from this date forward. If they've not filed anything with that and they don't have anything on paper then they apply to the new regul. I'm 100% for that. And

you got in there something about single family dwellings. And I know that's in covenants. The homeowners associations have it in covenants. Is that something that they've got in some other counties you looked at? That's so we're not plowing new ground. It's it's not new ground. Okay. Yeah. I can't speak for that Robert Mil pond, but this gentleman, they've met every everything they've asked to do. the the turn lanes you're in London and ask them to put in an 8 inch ductal do main across the driving range. Okay. And to do everything they supposed to do and they've invested millions of dollars literally.

And if we go in there and implement what we've got right now, which I'm for, we're going to bankrupt him. It's just that something within the law that says they can't be filed until he signs them. That's still the only hammer we get. Can we tell him don't sign them until the school system checks off of them? Yeah. I mean, I I don't think some people some people say I'm trying to encourage you to take some people say impact fees say, you know, bring in impact fees.

There again, I I don't like impact fees, but if we can say, you know what, that's fix to add uh that's fixed to add 200 students to school and the school says I ain't for that. Now we're dealing with another political subdivision, school system, a school district. They say that's that's gonna be a problem for us. We don't have the school to handle this. They want to be protected in this, too. That's one of the things brought up. That's over our school, right? Infrastructure. I mean, that's just another type of infrastructure for school. I don't think we'll close all up. And you've done a lot of work here just to get us in a lot of trouble, but that's okay. We'll work it out. At least I can do

I'll do on the next. Thank you for stirring things up before you retire. Just before you leave. Yeah. Appreciate that. Keep going with me. He's going to move that date back. I think June, whatever that would be or something. What have they got? What have they got in Colton? That's where you grew up. They have something more than we do, but it's And they might have changed recently. Mary County. Yeah, it is. Yeah, you can't build so many feet of a chicken house. I'm just kidding. Okay, that was good. I like that. All right. Uh, big I need one of them big bull. Great bull. Red bull. Red bull.

You're on number three now. I'm on three. I'm on three. All right. I got So, it didn't take But it didn't take you your portion here. We start at 1:00 about an hour and 45 minutes. That's what I just We didn't start after 150. That's right. Wait on the 48. Right.

Okay. Uh the next item, uh I had a talk with truck suppliers. Uh good chance we're going to have our Mac trucks in uh before the auction in March. uh check with JM Wood auction and they would take them uh if we have them, but if not said we could go ahead and go till the June sale. Uh it's guaranteeing us that 1.29 million right there either sale. Uh that's basically what we have in the trucks. A little bit more actually. A little bit more we actually paid for. Yeah.

Right. Of course, that's the uh without taking their 6% out, right? But yeah, the gross sale would probably be well and it could come in they could come in higher than that. Yeah. Yeah. So, most time they do bring higher what the gross amount says. I would like to go ahead and get that approved. You want truck in auction coming up March or June? So, you want it to approve either way? Either way, I'm good with that. Let him decide. This money goes back in the 110 fund. Some of it would, some of us bought out of all of 112, I think. Just just feel free to put it up whenever you have

inventory numbers. Yeah, just feel free to put stuff back over there. All right. Uh, the next thing update on Alabama Power, the pole installation project there on Sandy Road. Uh, we met with along with chairman and commissioner Parker and uh we talked a pretty good while. I didn't I didn't say hardly anything today with them. But uh it's a multi-million dollar project for Alabama Park.

It it is it is of course we watched one of the polls going up and everything. So that sort of brought a new perspective on what the crane would do or not do basically. Uh, so we start so we can't use the sheriff's helicopter to bring them out and drop them in. We found that out. Sheriff, your helicopter won't pick one of these up. That was one of the suggestions. Just to let you know, but we are down. I mean, we were at 40 something poles. This had to close the road for we got down to 16 and all of them looked at yesterday except for one. And we're going to be working it out around those helping them build widen some shoulders out. So

we at least have one line of We got one down there. We may not be able We may have shut that down. Yeah, it's that problem child there. Down in a hole,

but they are going back and looking to see if they can move that one a little bit to help us out. So we'll see there. Uh uh one of the things that we've looked at a little deeper I guess since this has come up the intersection of Sy Road and Argo Margaret Road uh County 12 comes in there all right together. We've already got some backup problems especially in mornings. Uh it's needing some turn lanes. Uh, one, well, we need a turn lane on Argo, Margaret. We need a turn lane on Sandy Road, right? Turn lanes. Uh, probably there's a lot of utilities in the way where we'd have to widen out. It looks like that uh we could actually redo that intersection a little bit closer to the Argo side. It would line up with the road. So I think we need to sort of look that direction. Alabama Power that would sort of they would work with us on moving a little bit of their polls. U I think that probably works out better for both parties. Uh, but we probably need to go ahead and enter a contract with an engineering consulting firm to take a look at that with traffic counts and everything and just make sure we do have the room there that uh that we're going to need.

Um, are all y'all aware of that if if he straightened the road out before it runs into the road there? And Margaret, you know, right now it runs into it and you had to straighten it out before it used to run in at an angle and you had to look back over your shoulder to see. Uh this would move it down the road there 100 yards or so. Yeah, probably into an intersection. There's another road already right across

and it would then all the utilities in the way out there now would be still there underneath our pavement and wherever. But at some point in time when that was moved that would allow that property that could still be county property to vacate that property to the city of Margaret maybe that could be a developable corner of the interchange. So I think Dan I think that's a great plan. That's what do you think? Yeah. Because if we don't do it that way, if we don't look at doing that road over there and then Alban Power can't set this where they want to set it cuz we can't if they set it there, we keep riding the road out turn.

So it won't it won't work one way or the other. It's going to be we had to make we're going to put a road in and let them or make them move that and they said it's just they just don't really want to move the public. Yeah. And we got a sewer line and a water line. We got sewer and water gas. This is one of those things though that those trips to Washington, this is exactly the kind of project that those direct made for. So, this is something that if we get it drawn, uh, we we can give it to Candace Hill and the Economic Development Council and they can get it together with our grant people. Prepare this for next year's ask for a progression.

I think it just this what that's this this what they tell us that progression type thing's for this kind of issue. I think it it would qualify for who who would do the who do you have in mind Dan do the engineering sane has done a lot of work in that area for us already so I would look at them if they couldn't skipper is the other one that's done some work in there so one of those two okay I just curious

all right um update on build grant application. We've uh you know that was basically going to do some planning preliminary engineering work to divide that whole thing 411 from Park Avenue up to Senior Intersection into phases that would be doable. U we're thinking roughly five phases right now and it would do the preliminary engineering work on phase one. Um, so there'll probably be a few more things here in the next few days. The deadline for getting it in is Tuesday of next week. But, uh, just wanted all know we got everything together.

Good. have some good very good cooperation from u some of the local businesses doing letter support and just we had police departments doing uh drone footage for us. So, it's been a big big group of people here working on this and the bill grants one of those that we went and asked for uh and with and that was for doing the all the plan for any upgrades on board all the upgrades on board. Mhm.

So, if you break that up into phases just just be sure that the whole all the phases are included in our ask five or six million that take the whole plan. Yes. The whole plan uh general plan basically is five five million and then because that's what we asked for. Yeah.

Right. And that actually gets you the some of the environmental work up and down the whole thing. Uh, you know, we'll have some rough estimates for each phase and then we'll focus the rest of the money on just developing plans for phase one, which, you know, we're we're estimating that's probably going to be well probably around $25 million project right there that we go back and ask for. Uh, a few other things. Uh we have well everybody I think knows our GIS system. Uh you know I think this came along not too long after I was acting as county engineer basically 2005 or something. It's been one of the best things that we've had. U you know it's got now where I'm on that a pretty good bit of the time. I'm in the office every day trying to look up stuff and reference things. Uh we'd like to carry this thing further. Uh it's got a lot of potential. Like right now we keep up things with a center line distance. We're having to use 911's basically base layer. It doesn't necessarily cut off and start when we needed to all the time. place having to go in and edit from one intersection to another or something to that effect. Uh there is a linear referencing system that would allow us to do a lot more items u now and in the future. Uh just one of the things popped in my head probably before long we're have to start keeping up with our inventory of center stripe on all of our roads according to federal stuff. If if we don't have something like this lander reference, it's going to be nearly impossible to do. But

that'll help us on that. We'll have one system we can go to to rely on for several needs from work orders to daily reports. Uh mowing crews start here, stop here. Uh yeah, it's a good thing. And Brian and Payton have already been working on this quite a bit. uh made some great headway and everything in it, but we're sort of that point where uh needing just a little extra push or help to get over the top there. U looked about doing a professional services type thing with Ezri where they would have is it three days of onsite training and then there'd be so many consulting hours after that. Uh, I think every time they call right now, they have to start out at like the help desk and go through three or four people to finally get to where they're needing to be. This will allow an ability just to go directly to the person, save a lot of time. Um, but like I said, the uh total cost a little under 33,000. It's 32,762. Uh, we uh

that would be with Ezri. Yes. that would be with the it's one of those things professional services u I don't exactly have that amount in the budget for that but with fuel prices they say something similar what it is we've got plenty I can move from one line item to another yeah I think is this part of what you brought us here the little dots and squares and stuff you brought us here a few years ago is it part of that same thing or is this totally separate? It's that's a different that was for section area. This is a different system.

Well, I know uh our economic development council this morning was bringing up. Yes. That that that our GIS program and and Brian's been leading the way on that for several years has just been really fortunate to bring in the people that you got working on it. Now, uh I don't think we've ever spent any money on that program that didn't come back to us.

That's that's a program that's people other people are in awe of the data that we've got on our program. Still got some on 911. We got issues with with uh 911 addressing on mobile home parks, for instance, that that have to do with some of their subsision regulations somewhat. So, we still got some work to do there. uh but for what you're needing. Now, we just contracted with a company in uh Atlanta. What's the name of the company that did our AI? Wilton Wil Miller.

Milner. Milner. Milner's program will take some of this data. for instance, uh it it's AI, so it's sort of scary, but if but if we type in uh uh uh Highway 33 on search, then it it'll just it'll just list minor stuff, but everything that you look up on Highway 33, it it remembers it. Next time you type in Highway 33, it has to look up less. And every time, so at some point in time, you could say stop sign mile marker 122, Highway 33 brings up the day you put the stop sign up. All right. Is this part of that?

Yes, sir. It's moving toward that. That's then our citizens could look it up. If a citizen says, "Go ahead and pay my roads to so and so." At some point in time, I'd like the citizen to be able to go in our map, get their map, and say, "What's the date of the last time this road was paved?" And you got to ask you and and this these programs will do that if we just stay the course on those. I mean, we don't get me wrong, we still got a lot of roads that need a lot of work, but you know, since uh 2016, somewhere right in there, I mean, we've done a whole lot. We average around 50 miles an year. So, you know, something to be proud of, I feel like.

Yeah. And the citizens, like I said, they probably they really they really deserve to be able to see that kind of stuff. And this will sort of help on that also. 80 miles. Expect another 80 miles. There you go. 81. 81. And I was looking at the figures yesterday. We just got our quarterly report and all that from Michelle and and the money from rebuild is big. Mhm. Yes. That's probably worth 20 miles of our road overall. I mean you look at preparations and all that. So that's that is rebuild has really helped St. Clair. It has. Y'all managed it really well

and we do have all those maps but u I don't know how the archive goes but uh we do have those maps where it can be viewed online. Uh, let's see. Poleb barn. I've got some drawings back, some stuff. Still going back and forth about a little bit, but uh, we're getting very close. I'd like to go ahead and get permission as soon as we get the specs filed with with good game company to go ahead and be able to bid it out.

Yeah. Okay, I'm good. And then we're going to move to the sheriff's name, too. All right. Uh the other thing that we've been looking at a little bit, uh Commissioner Brown and I have sort of looked at, we've done some maps and stuff for a possible location of the 72-hour detention center off Highway 11. It's on some property that uh the city of Asheville, I guess, actually owns that. Um there's a uh a little over two acre 3 acre spot out there that we could clear and feel like that that would give pretty good option someplace to to put that if y'all are ready to move forward with that.

The clearing part the clearing out all we'd really be doing, you know, at this point. We need to start somewhere sometime. the uh

presentation to uh that delegation last week, eyes lit up in in Senator Tupperville's office and in in Congressman uh Rogers's office when we said we we need some help building a juvenile detention center. We explained what that was and we explained why we're a little different than other counties around Birmingham. We first of all, we got two interstates. There's no doubt that our juvenile traffic problem generated by the urban area to our to our west. So they were very interested in that. So u I feel good about I think it as well as could be expected. I I get appropriation for that. So

I mean it's one of those places I put two people in work for a while. might be. We We'll see. There might be a little like if we could work on Saturdays or something there, too. We can move it quicker. Clear it. Grub it. Work on it. Yeah. If y'all are okay with it. I probably need We probably need that much of it done. So, we get somebody to draw it. Yeah. It's going dirt work, but it's it's in the highest place on my whole property. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's a good sign. You said the city owns that or will we bought it. We talked to the mayor and he said he'd let us have we bought it and we gave it to the city part of the project.

Yeah. It's got all the utilities available. Well, sewer is going to be on down the road there, but it's doable. Okay. Then uh we we actually me and Ricky was looking at it earlier and accidentally run up on a landowner here real close seemed more I'd approached him before but he seemed like he's ready to talk man nice property for for that right back right out here joins our really sheriff's department and stuff back there five acres so what about this. Yeah.

Well, I'd clear it just because they can clear it now and hope hope give us more than more options. Oh, yeah. We'd like to have more than one. And we looked at the property you talked about, too. What do you think? It's some dirt work, but it's doable, you know. Okay. It's got a pretty You'd have to take a little hill and then their that belongs to take that down anyway of education. They may have future plans putting extension on their sto anyway. Good. All right. Got some options there. Good. When y'all on Camp Creek next week, he needs his ditches cleaned out.

Any more questions from the commissioner? Broke up stack to the side. Great. Y'all did Yman's work. All right. Whatever the heck a Yman is. I don't know. But apparently they work hard. I heard that for years. So that's be hard work. Rody Wolf got me some pile. Uhoh. Give you a headache. Been here. No time. Give you a headache. Everybody's leaving you. I will talk fast. Um,

yes, sir. Maintenance part of it. We've been doing trimming up our trees and doing some lawn care, taking care of stuff, doing some pressure washing around the courthouse. Uh, see pictures. Put all y'all some pictures in there. Uh, took the bucket out of the roof over there. Good. that we found uh after this rain. There was no water in the floor over there. So, I don't know if that was the old leak that was there, but it did not leak during this rain. There was no water nowhere. No stains. Well, that's good.

That was already there. We push pushed the drop ceilings up on them. I didn't see no evidence of where anything would have been leaking. Uh however, you see the pictures where water is holding on the roof. Yeah. Cuz all the dark spots, that's where water has been holding and there is water up there. down. If it's not leaking, that does give us an option to either put another membrane on it or put another roof, which like there's a shrub growing on. Well, that's miracle.

It's because the way the roof is laying, it's not you got a place for a drain over here, but it's got to go uphill to get to it. It won't raw water won't run up. Can't go. That's clogging. That's in plumbing 101. All right. Go uphill. It don't It don't run uphill. Rooftop garden. So, a picnic table, which and you see uh one of the things I throwed in there is the way the power lines come across there. Afraid CRS is going to probably have some questions on that. Plus,

uh you see we there is no handrails, guard rails or anything around that. All that will be all that'll be included in somebody that's looking at that building for remodel. You talking about that? Yes. Yeah. That looks Don't know how that got passed in the be when the building was put up. Well, maybe somebody just forgotten to look. You in respect to what? What do you mean? I'm looking at What are you saying? Uh, from my understanding on the power company side of it, you're not supposed to be able to reach and grab no hot hot hot wire. He said they're supposed to have something probably around that. I didn't know that.

There's no there's no barrier wire there. No, no, no barrier wire. Those are all weather heads with TH HM wire. But anyway, go ahead, y'all. But anyway, just wanted to show you the pictures on that. Uh, as far as the uh, News Eges building over in Vel City, Lynn said, uh, they got just a little bit to finish up on it. And whoever's going to make the decision on what type flooring is going to go down. And I think he said, uh,

Suzy is in the process of getting the power turned back on over there so we can check out the AC unit to make sure that it is working. all all those things like flooring issues and all that. We we have somebody to go over there start giving us a plan on fixing that building options options for carpet or we're going to put or whatever you call. Uh the only other thing is uh state line did finally come back and done part well 90% no big

oh no the back hback get them mixed uh got everything cleaned out of the drops above the ceiling that they had left uh got the rest of the insulation that Horton pointed out. So the only thing they got left to do now is the one VAV box that was replaced new that is not working. So that's the one thing they got to get finished up and then we'll be ready to move forward with the next phase. A good deal. All right,

that's all I got. Uh, a favor if you could at some point in time need to get a perk test over there for that shooting range. You know what I'm talking about. Some point in time if you can range that. You got a number or a contact or I can provide you one if you don't. I don't know. And you may end up having to do two. You talking about one at the shooting range. You may have to have one across the road. I think I think they go they want a bathroom in that building when they put I think they're calling that one the u the uh tag team building. Yeah, I think they've already I think Jason's already moving forward with that one. Okay. Getting it in the process to an engineer on. Yeah. Okay. But this one we won't

Yeah, it's it's just down the hill there. I'll get a number if you not Do you have one by chance for somebody? I I've got some contacts. We used terond over spring the last time the rainies we just plug them right back in start using them all anyway. Okay. Oh something and me me and you got to look to see where we going to plant the tree cuz I'm supposed to go pick it up Monday. Okay. Any of y'all got any suggestions? Didn't you say somewhere right there close to the curb? That's the freedom when the state comes in there. They just

know there's a dip where one used to be. We had a stump ground right there or something I had on my mind. I guess one one spot I know was in there and I think Jay said that we had let the city put up a tree there one time cuz there is a sunk in place. He said and they finally just went over there and pushed it down because Ced CD never would come back and get it. So there isn't one there is a sunk in spot. There was stump on the left side there. Mhm. Got magnolia tree. Remember that's what it was. Sure was. All right. You talking about facing the I'll tell you where you want

from the red light on the left side. Yeah. That's where we'll look at you all. All right. Okay. Now, uh, is this bald and burlap or containerized? Do we know? Do not know. Whatever it is, we have the machinery out at the shop with the augur and all to Yeah. put your hole in there. And yeah, we probably don't need to put it on that stump because it probably wouldn't root real good. What What did they tell you to pick it up in? Uh, they said it's only seven feet. Six to seven feet. So, I'll just stick in the back of pickup. Yeah. Okay. I'm just curious. That'll answer that question. Care to tarp with you? Because you don't want it wind burning all that. Yeah. Probably not budged out. Shouldn't have.

Oh, so you don't me don't want me to lay it across. No, don't do it. No, don't do it like you normally do. Take a lowboard. No leaks. Wayne's right there. He can make that happen. Thank you. So, you need Thank you, Rody. You need to go and put stuff on. Are you you good? Are you good with those whole barn buildings? If you've been out there, throw your weight around a little bit. Go out there and say, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." Y'all tell me where you going to put this building out here at the shop.

Okay. Same thing to share. Throw your weight down there. I mean, we left Hold it up with it. Just remember this. The longer you hold it up. Longer you hold it up, the longer it is before we have to pay for that thing. All right. All right, Rody, you went an hour and 20 minutes over. Uh, Billy Murray was here, but he stepped out. He's still here. He's inside. He had to go get He said he had to go get some Tylenol, too.

You want to plug him in now with with him or you want to get Dwayne Wayne dealer the fre? He's coming in. All right. There's wait on me. I'll be back. No, sir. We're not waiting on you. We're expecting you though. I think Philip's gonna You want to go about the deal real quick? Yeah. Just to update you and then I'll I'll maint the IG the contract agreement from the feds. I'll give it to Kyle the day and let him start looking.

Kirk, let Kirk start looking over that. Sorry, Kirk. I'm not seeing you there. Uh we'll let him start looking over that and then we'll come back with uh basically what it's going to cost us to have personnel and all that stuff to make this work and to see if it's feasible. Okay. Okay. Good. I I'll send you the digital copy as well. Second thing is uh JBS. We need the chairman's signature on a memorandum with JBS. What they do Jefferson Blunt St. Clair mental health. Basically what they'll do is they'll give us somebody to come in and help inmates that have mental health issues. This stepping up program. Yeah. Stepping up an issue.

And we tried that one time, but it didn't work. We're going to try it one more time. They have put out the money and they'll pay up to 60,000 I think. Yeah. To the person that's they're going to put there. Yeah. But we we I told them I'd kind of like for the sheriff to have some input in who it was because that was kind of one of the issues before. Don't just send us who you'all want to have. We they're going to be working at our place. we'd like to kind of have a little bit to do with who it is. So, if you got that going up because that person can definitely be uh somebody for instance that catalogs that that uh uh u does the uh the paperwork we're going to have to have for opioid.

It'll it'll be a step of that. It'll be a part of that. So uh because some of them you know you got to designate whether it's a actual mental health uh or an opio or a drug induced mental health. Right. So is it is it is it a born mental health issue or a drug induced mental health issue. Yeah. Okay. Uh so that'll get us there. Uh it's just a memorandum saying that we'll provide a location for him to come meet people at the jail and work at the facility. We've got a room there. We'll we have some places to achieve that. So you say we tried that once before. So the program is solid. The person was not. So okay, that was the issue be

put out of the facility and and really was no help to Captain Bernard and and but if we have a person that's trained and knows how they can help us, it'll work. But they they just picked the wrong person. And that's what the chairman was saying. With our input, I think we can come into it with having a counselor type situation, knowing what we need him to do before. I think Captain Bernard spent most of his time just trying to get him to do something. Well, we clearly don't want to go down that road again. No, we want to do Yeah, they kind of talked with Samantha at the state. They've kind of revamped some things on that. Okay. So, it kind of gives us a little better uh outcome for what they do.

Good. They didn't really have in the beginning they didn't really have clear lines on what they what they do. Now we kind of have a little better understanding of what they should do and what we should be able to accomplish from it. Excellent. Pretty pretty smooth. That's way too short. Was that all? Was that it? Is that it? It's good to see you call. You sure you didn't have anything to add about You sure? You sure? It's Philip. You don't have anything to add about subdivision regulations? No, no, no. It's going to bring It's going to bring more bed space. I mean, with growth of county, we also need bed space.

Okay, then we're good. Sheriff's got an issue he talked to me about. Yes, sir. And it's going to impact his funding funding stream and it's it's being created by federal regulations. Yes. So sort of setting the stage on that. Is that first that'd be first part and you do what you want to 1 A 1 B if it's okay. 1 A is really simple and then that would be 1 B. Okay. Is that all right? Be good. All right. Like I said, it's always good to see you, Kyle. All right.

I'm just going to ride that as far as I can. So 1 A very simple. uh 3D imaging system and scanner that can be used for architectural needs, construction needs, and in my ballpark, forensic needs. So imagine being able to take a 3D image of this room where crime occurred and then being able to use it for court purposes. For example, if Kyle were shot, correct? We could do a do a 3D image. If Kyle choked on a Dr. pepper or something and we could 3D image his room,

see where he was at, what he looks like. It's really amazing technology using the camera and the scanner that prints it. Um, now further than that, it can be done for the schools that our SWAT team can have, the SRO's can have. It's unlimited what you do with it. So, I have all the questions that uh I believe Corey sent to me, and I'm going to give you a copy of it. So, this is a $70,000 system to be paid for out of uh 029, which is one of our discretionary funds. And then the other question was, I told you why it's needed um to maintain this. It's about 1,400 a year. And that will be for updates and for calibrations and that can be maintained same way out of discretionary. Uh the last thing is uh can it wait to budget? We submitted it in last budget but you know the budget is massive and unfortunately sometimes some things just we don't get to them. So but the need is here. It's been here. This will help investigations tremendously. What I need is I need um per I guess an opinion I need this to be bid out and um there's basically two companies that can offer this. So any questions on that?

For our part, we need to give the sheriff authority to bid this out. Now, uh we were broadening out at least uh not putting it in the budget when it was first put in there. Give us more of an idea what it is. For instance, if he wanted it to be used by an architectural firm to do the go in the room over there at that building, for instance, it's it's like what do you call that on the map? Streetscape where you can look down the era and you can turn around and show the house over here. You turn, show it on that side. It does thing in a room or wherever. Tripod with a big camera on it, a big old scanner. You can this port, we can take it anywhere. Oh yeah. We don't drop the car.

We demoed uh one of these devices and we mapped our C building and it only took uh 20 minutes to do the whole building. It was pretty impressive. Okay. I So what is this uh just I'm curious store when you do that is it I'm not technical. Where do you store this knowledge or this? Well, it's the hardware and the software. So the system will store in compass in itself. Okay. And then it will print out and it can be sent electronically or it can be printed out on any type of That's a good question. We need to ask our tech team where they can keep a database on that. Is it cloud storage or Yep, it is. Okay. That's I didn't know.

It's pretty amazing to see. But look, when they come out and train us, we're going to train our whole investigative team and if we break it, we're going to send it back to the people. We've been looking to fix. We've been looking at a lower end. I mean, it's just gotten bigger and bigger and better and better. We started looking at this for schools years ago. And then we've got into the privacy thing in schools. Why can't you have a camera at the end of the hall that the police shows up, he can look at that camera on the screen and tell where the bad guy is down the hall? Well, you can't if some student runs out there and you got somebody's a minor, you can, but you got to jump through certain hoops. So, we tal about schools. Now, we

virtual Alabama does that, but we don't have access to that because somebody's worried about us seeing something. But if if there's a problem there, they're not going to worry about anything other than us resolving it. So, I agree with you. So, what we would do, we do this in the summertime anyway, as we train in these facilities. So, we would just map them when nobody's there. There you go. That's a good good point, though. Yeah. How long do you anticipate after after we say go ahead and bid it? How long do you anticipate getting something back and be able to move on this?

I would anticipate um our bid could be two, you know, whatever whatever call decides there two weeks probably and then uh so four to six weeks we'll have this thing. And the good thing about it is is the investigators have already went through the initial training. So half a day and they should be operational. Hey, let's let's let's imagination run wild here. Accidents on County Road. You can map that thing out in 3D where you just literally do street skate where you went through a guard rail where the skid marks come down the street and all this. I'll loan it to y'all for 70,000. There you go.

There you go. Pay for it out. Got paid for it out of DOT money. Now even better. Um, what's it the what was D2? All the train and shooter. Yeah, active shooter train. Active shooter. Infinite possibilities. Map map every building can. Yeah. Okay. Good. Put that on Tuesday. Sound like a winner to me.

That's pretty unless there's any questions. That's really all there is to that. My 1B informationational item. And this is uh quite frankly this is a mess. But there's been an FCC order come out that changes the entire way the inmate phone visitation and tablet system is run in the jail. So you know we've got tremendous technology

in the jail but now apparently the FCC expects us to do all that and not pay us to do that and maintain that system. So, what is the cost? Uh, that will take $100,000 a year out of our our budget that we're utilizing right now in in one fund, which is a better law fund. And that's fees from these phone cell phones. That's correct. All that.

Yeah. And the the actual figure was 116,000, but 17,000 are used for a different device. So, we figured about 99,000 to 100,000 a year. So, and this is something that uh could take effect April 4th of this year. So, so they send this new rule and expect you to implement it by April this year. April 4th. Now, there is one final appeal in process, but we've had three and it hadn't went well. So, for the jail phone, for the phones, the the tablets, and then the actual visitation, video arignment. Video arraignment. Video arraignment. What are they wanting to change?

I had a suggestion. No fee. They want it done. Swallowing all the money. No. No fee. Yeah. I'll supply that to you by email. I thought didn't we didn't if they used the phone, didn't they get they get charged? Well, the provider gets paid, but they're going to cut our our ability to recoup any cost out. The provider. That's what I say. Like you tell them the cell phone. I had a solution to them and I'll see how this goes. We'll take all that stuff out and put two payoneses in the locker. There you go. That way, nobody's making any money. And we're not there to make money, but I I can't supply a million-dollar system and not recoup any cost. I couldn't expect to do that. So, they expect jails and counties and what state to provide the hardware. Correct. At at a million dollars

and the software to run it and the people because you got personnel and we can't charge anything for it. Correct. That makes perfect sense. So, they're going to freaking sense you. They going to get to use them free now. Well, they'll still have to the money. But the money goes to the phone company. So, you can't make a sense of,

you know, it it's just ridiculous stuff. So, I say what we do is this. Now, we're working through a lot of this, but shortterm, we got to figure out a way to stop the bleeding, which is $100,000 in 12 months. If we can figure out to buy some time just to stop that bleeding to budget time then hopefully we'll be in a stronger position and can articulate why this is ridiculous. I told the sheriff to me you don't have to convince me it's ridiculous.

It's a sixmon problem. The sheriff could the sheriff yeah we could say take it out of such and such fund. We got plenty of money but he's already got plans for those funds. He's already see cars or whatever comes out. I I'd say it's $50,000 for the commission to cover. He's going to lose 100,000 in a year. He's only going to 50 in the next six months, I think. But that gives us time to see if we can intervene somewhere on the federal level or ACCA or something. Sure. Let me articulate. We're not the only people going to be punished by this.

No, not at all. And let me articulate from Joey's position as an attorney, you see the chaos if you don't have the ability to do video visitation arrangements. Uh, you know, I mean, you can see exactly what he's saying. I say then make an attorney if he wants to do that with the client. Let him pay for it. Put that Okay. All right. Sounds good. Put it on his list. I got to get in on this. What's going on? He called him Kyle. Oh, I got you. So,

I know who it is. I'm going Where are we going with this? Maybe we could sit down before they're saying they're saying the county right now is getting reimbursed for all this suspicion of doing this all. It's still going to be the same money. It's just going to all go to the phone companies and the internet. I say just cut that off and we buy some cell phones. Well, get some We already got cell phones in there. We're trying to get them out. That's just a joke. I'm just joking. Supposed to be there. No, they're not supposed to be there.

But I think maybe if you would just consider let me u get all the hard data of the mount and then we could maybe have a quick meeting before your next work session and and not I don't like to present you with just problems. I like to present you with a couple solutions. But this is uh this is something that's going to affect uh everybody in the nation. Yep. No question about We won't be in this by ourselves. No, we're not. No, we're not going to be for the meime so he doesn't have to start. Okay, I can do this. I this we need to be ready, I think, to put more,000 in whatever it is for the rest of We got a little time. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you got about one meeting for y'all. So, we got we got time reg. Okay. All right. All right, that sounds good.

Any questions for me? That's all I had. Short and sweet. Thank you all. You have been authorized to uh engage in Architect. Okay. To draw your uh what you call it? Teen building. SWAT building. SWAT building. SWAT building. That's is a flip department. and to draw building for your uh response vehicle. I thought you already had done that. Yes. So, he been given that. We've been contacted by Jason about some things and he's asking me about where do you want to? We know where we're going to put that out. Where do you want us to put that in? Wherever the sheriff wants. Sure. He said, "Well, what if he puts it over a sewer line?" I said, "We'll tell him he can't put it there." That's right.

That's what you're here for. Sounds good. See where the sheriff wants it first. This is where I want it. Are we going to be put back where you want it? Five of us might decide to do that. I'll get it done. We're still looking at September at the latest for that to be delivered. Does that sound August? Okay. on the drawings and you can see I have an idea. I have an idea, but it's it's a big one, you know. You have an idea or you No, I have an idea.

Yeah. I'll see if it feasible and I'll bring it to you. Okay. Sort of a fire station. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's about that size, honestly. I mean, we That's how we were testing a three fire station with be real nice. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. On top of it. Oh, we need to Well, I thought that was included. We need to move. Any more questions for sure? Any more? That was easy. Thank y'all for your time very much. And I'll get that data to you before. Thank you very much.

All right. Very good. Wayne Mer from Friendship Volunteer Fire Department and uh he's looking for an appropriation for station number two pad and we got they're want to build another fire station at Friendship because of all this growth. Yep. Uh and we're going to hurry up subdivision regulation. They're going to have even more than that until we get our station. Yeah, there you go. So, they're going to need some help. You got a halfacre lot. We got a 5acre lot.

Okay, good. They we can legally do work for volunteer fire departments out of whatever fund we just about choose to. We legally cannot do work for a community center for we can for choose.

If you do got the money we got the money in the words of Commissioner Ricky Parker, we got the money. Can you get it? Well, we came to the commissioners once before, probably about two years ago is what I'm thinking. The prior administration we had at the fire station and we were trying to take um uh some part of some of the co funding that was out there that was offered and they um cut off the co funding before we were able take take advantage of that to build two stations by drone. So, yeah. and uh you know build a tactical you know storage place over shop

but anyway uh the commissioners uh graciously said that they would help us give us assistance to build our pad and do our dirt work and everything for us. Well, it's been, you know, a great amount of time that has elapsed and we have now secured the funding uh to build our number two station and we just wanted to come back and and get a refresher from the commissioners and chairman that y'all would still assist us in building the pad and clearing our property so we could go forward with our number two station. Do you know where it is? Okay.

Where will it be? I don't know where it's going to be. It's going the correct address that we've obtained for it now is 2445 County Road 22. 2445 County Road 22. How far away is that from your other station you got there? That it's about 2 to three miles from our number one station. All right. You got five acres. We got five acres. Excellent.

And we are going to build a starting off we're going to build a two bay station. Uh we're going to have uh a small living quarters in there uh storage upstairs, but we are looking talking to uh good game about completing the downstairs of the station and just leaving the upstairs open right now to save money. Uh we're going to put our plumbing in upstairs uh HVAC dump work uh to have that in place and then later on as we get things paid off in the future we'll go back and look at completing the upstairs for what our needs might be later on. But to save cost we're just going to complete the downstairs portion of

and we u have been talking to Dan also. But he's been gracious enough to give me some advice. Did he give you this kind of off? I'm sorry. Just with Wayne, you said it was two bay. Yes, sir. How big a building is that about,

sir? Three bay. two. So, roughly, um, I have the blueprints on, uh, email in my phone. Um, there's not the correct ones. So, we went back and changed it, uh, to make a full 24T beam all across. Um, right now, you're looking 50 by 50. I say probably somewhere around in there. Um, it

I apologize for asking questions like that. Yeah, I should have had the blueprint printed, but I was hoping Good game would have them back to us, but unfortunately they had the person working on this for us had to go out of town last minute. And so he told me he would have everything Monday. So, and that includes elevations that are needed for clearing property and building. Now,

yall know when you uh when you build your building, if y'all want concrete out pull out onto the wash or whatever, then then plan that in your plans. Otherwise we can do we can do uh uh pling for you. We do work for fire stations. So we do pave those and we pay for some of them. But if you I think concrete out front with a big truck wash or washing. I already have that on there. Like I said that's not the correct blueprint is where we all the way across. You can't see that.

I say you can zoom in on it and everything. But what we had initially done and we had talked to Jason Good Game about plans and he gave us two different options. He gave us an option where we had our upstairs built for the living quarters. It was going to be a 24T ceiling there, 24T rise there and dropping down. So 18T over our base and coming on out. development for storage purposes and they're again looking in the future with growth. We may have to put a ladder truck in that in that station at some point of time with the subdivisions and you know um citizens coming into our county. You know, as our territory grows, we're going to have to grow with you.

So, we went from a 14t door to a 16ft door and went with a straight 24ft beam all the way across. So later on if we had to put a Quint or L truck of some kind in there 95 and 95 basically we would we would have that capability. Excellent. And Jason has also said that he's going the building that he's constructing for us and has blueprinted for us. If we have to take down a wall on on the other end, we can take down the wall on that end, extend out, put another bay, tube, whatever, whatever we need, and just tie it all in and have it constructed that way. Excellent. Okay. When do you hope to have this done?

If we can get the dirt work done, we can possibly have our building built by June. Ain't no pressure on us. No pressure. No pressure on us. That ain't happening. So, is it in a location where you would probably have to cut it cut it down and and haul it in? Uh, there'll have to be some. We looked at it once before. I think it was even considered a bigger building the first time we were uh but that's we need to get the draws to sort of see what what is needed.

We're putting up dirt on there on site, right? Yes. There's plenty of dirt on bank. Yeah, you would have to additional. So, the big the biggest thing is we we came here um because good game asked us if we would go ahead and make sure everything was clear because once we confirm everything with the bank saying, hey, we got everything done. Um they said it'd be about four to six months before the building was delivered. And then once that was delivered, if the ground work was done, they can go ahead and start moving it in. So

four to six months be April, May, June, July, August, August, Septe. So we're now we're talking about more time than you thought. Well, I mean, he he initially gave us four months. He said, you know, he used that held up. We stop that trash. We can hold that up. Chairman, you do realize it's

okay. Y'all want to put it on Tuesday? Y'all want to put it on Tuesday? Put it on Tuesday. We'll nail it down. We'll have it there. Then we do dirt work out there. Yeah. You leave us come back for a meeting. Dan said Dan ain't going to let you off two days. Come back up.

We've already got some paving started and the weather's warming up very quick. So, we may do some Saturday work out there to get you done. Y'all don't care. Yeah, I'm good. Hey, we're going to do it. Let's vote on it Tuesday and get done with the middle. You could do two day work weekend. Got Wayne right in here on time. He's due up at 2:30. He's run us hour and five minutes over there for a minute. Do my best. Okay. All right. Yeah. You put any more questions for us? You need me to sign your uh get out of school early?

Excuse. I got my principal right there. We approve. There's all kind of benefits that come with that. We're just going to approve what y'all asking for on Tuesday. Thank you. Okay, moving on. Tina Tina Murphy. Oh, that's Kyle Kyle today. Tina Murphy Tina Morgan her administrator's report and she has some updates she wants to give us. Mine is short. Okay. So, we're the commission office is gathering information related to the procurement cards, the P cards.

Um, so but RFP will have to be sent out once we work through the policies and internal controls. But I'm working with another county that's already got PE cards to get a example of a RC to be sent out and then I'll work with Kirk when we get all that information back. Do you need any any kind of approval or anything? You're ready to move on this up to that point. We just get doing it. They ain't passing it. It's not been passed in legislation yet. We're ahead of the game though. We're approving. We've got to do some internal. We got a lot of work to do, but Okay, we are at the beginning of the process.

Okay,

it shouldn't take long once I gather everything. Okay, next one'sformational item. The disaster preparedness salax holiday will be February the 20th through the 22nd. And then the city of Asheville will host the mayor's association breakfast February the 24th at Asheville City Hall. The speaker will be district attorney L. Harmon. Then you'll have a ribbon cutting scheduled for 9:00 a.m. on Wednesday, March the 11th for the playground at the Raglin High School. And then your economic development, I mean economic development. Statement of economic interest is due April the 30th. So y'all don't forget to do that.

We definitely don't want to forget that. Then Ashley Haye um she could not attend today but her report is in your folder. She just gave some updates of her upcoming events. She said the circus went well um and the Yes. So the event center screen um size is went from 12 inch to 18 and then purchasing um and feet I'm sorry 12T 18 ft. Y

and then purchasing installing October glory maple trees from the root good roots grant. Y'all remember that grant she applied for? That will take place soon. She's getting prices from Alabama for the UG power at the for RV sites. Once installed, she will get quotes from electrician and plumber for the RV sites. Good news. That's all I have. Unless you have any questions.

You'll notice on here we got the what the what's the form cowboy church space room going to be used for. We actually used that space uh yesterday meeting with Alabama Power Company. It worked really well as a conference room. There's quite a few offices. If you hadn't had a chance to go through there, look at all those officers, uh, look at them. Not a lot to be done to get that fixed up for whatever entity we choose to to be out there at the at the U center event center portion. Uh let's see the I'm I'm still working with uh Freddy Gerine on the leads dispatching. There's going to have to be some answers by by the mayor council leads. has got to uh give us an idea of what they they would like to do and then we'll uh it looks like with what leads is paying uh uh for dispatch to Blunt County if we even got half of what dispatch pay for Blunt County and what leads is paid we can handle the number of people without any extra money. So, uh, we'll we'll look at that. That way, Blunt County keep half the money without doing any work.

May they may spring for that without us having to go through some sort of you don't have to have four dispatchers and we'd say you looking at $300,000. All the money has to work. So, basically, how you normally Yeah. money work. I think what they've been paying Blunt Canyon is 225 plus Blunt County gets their 911 money which is around 115 to 120. So we just getting the 225 and no no uh uh no 911 money. We going to be short saving about that.

And they're getting about 140 out of that. So we got half of that. We're getting close. If you get you get close to half, we are we get another 75. Get 75 from them and they give us 225, we'll be all right. We'll break even. Okay. Uh the only other thing that that I put this on your report. Oh, you put that on my report. Okay. I'm not aware of that, but I am now. What was it? Discuss. Same raises for part-time employees as full-time. What?

Hourly raises for part-time, same as full-time. On the raises, did we not did we not raise the part-time employees when we when we raised the uh uh when we did the three and a half%. Didn't we do that just for all full-time employees? That should be part-time, too, I would think. Did it say something like eligible? I think it just eligible. Yeah. So, and and it it became more than we thought. For instance, the sheriff's in this didn't come from the sheriff by the way. Uh the uh courthouse security part-time. One reason it's part time so we don't have to pay benefit package.

But we didn't raise their hourly raise either. So, I don't know how many they are. So to bring that back to y'all, if staff would give us an idea of how many part-time people that give us we got Yeah, I know what we got when we got G. We got we got several, but I know that's some of them. Yeah, you got over at the at transportation. All them people over there part time. Which ones? Bus drivers. You talking about now more than likely the transportation the transportation money start next year I believe I saw her this morning that she got 25

and she put those in her it's federal money so I believe we get that covered you might see how many so let's see what that right now we don't know how many it is and what would it cost us uh including if we get money for the drivers for transportation for instance so we don't know that's the investment. Okay. I mean, it's going to eventually come up. Let's like we give a raise next year because of cost living in the next year. When some point in time, we have to say, "Okay, we're going to raise it park." On that note, I was talking this morning to Jason Dur. Mhm.

He said they got an increase last year at Blue Cross. Roughly what we did, he told he told me theirs went up expected this April another 14%. Good. I said, "I hope that's not an old one." What we're looking at, I hope that's not either. Anyway, I didn't mean they hit us 14. He They've already been hit. They just fallen enough time. Okay. Yeah, they're renewal probably. Any more questions for Tina? Uh, okay. Moving into the uh Oh, let's It's time to let Kirk Walker County. Come on up here, Kirk. Give it to us. Yeah. No, I don't I don't have anything to add.

We're still working on the uh subdivision regulations, but Kyle had a couple things that would Oh, good.

So, yeah, still working on subdivision regulations. I guess that is the big thing. And and so whatever y'all choose to do Tuesday, uh to move it a step or whatever, we discussed it where we know we're close to doing something. Honest only thing I see I'm not for changing any of that subdivision regulation the way it is we can add there to it is like them two people that's got the plats and stuff he's already building it say these two subdivision whatever grandfathered in under the old thing

it could be in the effect of this state this new this new uh go to effect this day. That sounds good. Sounds real good. Grandfather would be the word technically. I'll call you. We have a few people been talking about some properties. Comes in comes in hand attorney. You got people out there that has heard about this. They ain't they ain't they ain't done nothing. They ain't they ain't got no plats. They ain't They just went out there and scratched around on the dirt and they said we were starting a sub. No, that won't count.

No, that don't count. All right. What we got, buddy? Got this list right here. We already talked about that number one thing right there. All right. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't hurry up. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying we already talked about that.

45 minutes behind uh request for sheriff. Got that one talked about discuss ADA title 2 web and mobile application accessibility rule. United States Department of Justice DOJ adopt new accessibility rule uh that state and local governments must follow to ensure that their web content and mobile applications comply with title two of the Americans Disabilities Act. These requirements apply to web content. That'd be something he can give to attorneys for review and give us a what what that means opportunity.

Had a call with C plus yesterday. Um they've got two solutions they kind of showed both to us. One is web content and I've got an example what they offer. Uh this is a website or that uses what's called audio I It's got this little shape person icon and when you click on that it gives options to change the contrast of the site. Um,

change the font to a dyslexic or a better reading font. Um, and that's a tool that is installed on the website that go through and assures that everything is up to the WCAG 2.2 level of compliance as far as the website goes. They're going to keep doing these things. Bob me don't care when we get old or not. I'm telling you the truth. Delete it. We'll be able to hear

federal regulation about how we got to do a website. There's another tool called access that would make all the PDFs on the website. This is another website that has this tool on there. When you click on the tool, it turns it into an HTML document where you can change it to where it's a transcript and instead of having a picture and distracting stuff, it changes that. Uh they can ask questions basically. Um

drives me crazy. If it was a minutes of a meeting, they could say county road 33 and it would it would tell them what in that meeting was county road 33. Um, so it's another tool for PDFs uh specifically. Um, but the uh the quote I got for um the yearly cost will be $35,610 for both of those tools. uh doc access is through civic plus I mean both of them would be purchased through them I think audio may be a third party but um we would get a prorated if we went with them from now until budget um that's $25,96.15

so that's how much it would cost to put a button comp button gosh so I Pacific Plus. I haven't checked the other company that to see if there's any other options. Uh but like me and John were talking kind of they know that these regulations are in place and people don't really have much of a choice other than pay the deadline that these are going into place no matter what

if we do nothing that that those rules are going in by April 24th as we speak right now. Of course, now our our history with the those federal rules usually is is uh not enough people will be uh in compliance by then. They'll put it off till July or something. So anticipate that that may move forward. May or may not. So we'll see if we can be ready. Does that make sense? In the meantime, you might want to look at be sure. But they may take about two weeks to implement these these solutions. Okay. It's over my head. I can get a perk test. I can put something in I can use.

Well, that's what I've told the guys like all the legal ease and I I don't know. I mean, you tell me if I if I've got to do certain things to a PDF to make them compliant, I could do that. But I I can't sign off and say we're compliant. I don't know. I don't I can't read all the regulations and but these tools have have all that is built in. Good. We spend 25 grand, we better be compliant. Yes. I hope so. Exactly. That's just the start. Yeah. Then the next year they going to bump it up. Go up. Yep. Are we ready for this to be on the agenda for Tuesday?

I don't think we have to do anything except we we need to know we're going to be in compliance by April 24th unless the deadlines change. That way I'll be Kirk read. Only thing is I don't know how to say we're complying or not. Yeah, that's probably where we're going to have to have that. We might have to look and see if we can fly. We'll move it to the next work session. Have you enough time to review it? Oh man. Okay. What's this? Item three, discuss adopting resolution to establish a taxes.

That is something that our previous county attorney always told us to. We don't have any new Avalor taxes. So, we just adopt a resolution or have in the minutes that there's no changes to the Avalor taxes. Okay. Because then if it is changes, then we prepare a resolution of the changes. Right. But I guess why why would we do that in uh third week of February? Is this something that's just when we did it before? We have a spreadsheet of what happens around this time of year every month and we just refer back to that. Okay. So, it's just time for that. So, if nothing's changing, we still have to do something.

Yes, sir. We have to adopt a resolution. That's establishing all the existing and we're we're restricted on a lower taxes according to the Alabama lid. The lid law like can't collect over 33 meals. I don't care what you do unless you have some sort of constitutional amendment. I think that's what it is. And I can show you what we've done in the past. Okay. When we have had change and when we y'all ready though y'all do this y'all ready?

All right. Out of four discuss uh train contract for jail presented by Jason Good Game last work session. Uh Penny the county attorney's review. That's the one that Jason's still working with them to make sure that whenever we take over that from them that we've got two years That's worth two cycles. Two cycles. Yeah. Worth of a of a warranty. So, we need any more discussion on that? You already looked at the contract. They good. I have um there's I mean there's two ones be fine. Okay.

I think Michelle's need to know where to take the money from, but That's those ongoing uh maintenance things they were train was requiring so much of. Okay.

If y'all ready then y'all handle that. You'll know that you have five discuss plans to add offices and our storage to the Pel City Courthouse. That's where we went down there and measured and my my measurements are a little bit different from Rody's. Uh there's a little more room there. probably because he didn't measure the little inset there that inside the back end where the door is. But still, it basically be upstairs coming out of the revenue commissioner's office uh would build into like four offices. Downstairs would build that space as storage space for the sheriff out of the basement, the jail storage space for things on that side right across the street. So, I think it's worth I think it's worth us literally measuring it and getting somebody to look at it and give us an estimate of what it would cost to build that.

So, if we could add four offices and storage space downstairs for them, storage cubby hole here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so do you want that just to move to the next work session or put it on Tuesday's meeting? Maybe next session we get somebody in the meantime get somebody to go up there and measure it. We got a measurement from Rody like I said but uh before we know what we're going to have there we're going to have to have somebody measure it as an architect. Yeah. Somebody know draw an extension of the building there. Yeah. Uh yeah. So,

and on that note, looking down the road and talking about this site prep, we need at some point in time put a group together to have a checklist like we did when we built the jail for that juvenile and then when we bring the people in that's going to bid it, they'll have check they got to check off on all our requirements. Just a thought. Good. Something like that, you know. Mhm. Cuz we can't just we got to compare apple to apples. I'm looking way down the road thinking. I'm sorry. If y'all if y'all ready for me to move forward, I'll get uh just building that in. I think it may be better to go to the people that built that building. I believe it's PHJ was the architect that built the judicial portion of the courthouse. Give us

So they're they're one of our architectural firms in the state and they could give us a probably a little rendering and a Yeah, they drew they drew the original building. Oh, an about cost and all that probably. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. All right. I I'll I'll contact them and see what they do. Use all that upstairs and downstairs for storage. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's all just keeps us from having to go out somewhere out here and find another piece of land and build on for whatever, you know, it's very convenient in their portion. Yeah. Okay. So, do you want that on the agenda for you to engage in the architect or just put on the next work session and you bring it back to us? That's time for me to bring next time. I'll be back. By then, I'll give you a call. Put the next work. Next work.

Keep that on there. Got a question from Carer. Uh Jet Sey, if we just hang on here and and drag these out, some people will leave. I I've noticed that. So, I can't imagine them wanting to leave. It's entertaining as it say. Uh Jeff needs a generator and then he needs paving in the alleyway and uh Dan was going to look into that with the city. Right. I I check with them. Uh we were talking about going there and milling it down just that area that he be using that portion and they they were good with that. Said that we're going to do that there wouldn't been permit or anything. So they're not they don't have any plans for them to do the whole alley. So that's kind of what we wanted to do before we just did part of it.

I just need to get with him and see where he wants to extend that to go. I have not done that. Okay. So you'll be able to transition into that round. Yes. Okay. And a generator. It needs a generator in case the power goes off. There there's no backup air for him to keep the cooler cool. But you know, if power goes off, you don't immediately get hot. I mean, you've got a couple hours like any other refrigerator home or Yeah. That's not like hamburger meat though. We No, it's not not one of those kind of situations. But we would want a he would want a generator at some point in time as a backup there to not have to worry about that particular part of it if he's got a couple of bodies there.

Has there ever been a generator there? Not that I know of. But the prior corner probably used the uh uh funeral homes. Funeral homes. Yeah, he used that up there. He used both of them, but I Yeah, he kept it there was a body one time we he end up having to keep it like 60 or 90 days or longer than that. I can't remember. Yeah, cuz they could never locate the family. They got to keep that light pretty good. So, in that case, we're going to need to look at the generator there. Well, what size generator? See, we don't know. We need to know the size and estimated amount. You want him to get quotes or he needs to get somebody put it in. Who would who would measure that? Rich is electric.

Ting him electrical could tell you. Yeah, somebody go in there. He could he could tell you in a hurry what size generator wouldn't be big Kevin Thompson that big to run a freezer same thing as a deep freeze well I'm just use them for an example yeah we can reach out to run air conditioner and freezer yeah we're not talking you want to move it to the next work session let him be find out what size generating needs it was for that fact you could go buy a Home Depot generator and just do a little ingenuity didn't run it. There you go. You're good.

Same thing like I do on my on my house. My house wire where I plug outside. I can crank plug my generator into it. Crank it up. Flip the breaker inside. Flip that breaker. It runs my house. There's all kinds of ways to fix that. Well, uh going to go out at your house the same time it does for him. Can you bring your All right, here we go. Okay. I don't have one no more. We'll work on that. We're not We don't have it. The installation will cost more than the generator. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Let me get some idea of what that's going to be. What side generation going to be? 25 kW installed

and discuss transfer generator number 6664 from ENA to Argo. U we need we need a generator ourselves, but we going to give one away. Rody said that one didn't he talk to you about that? Said it wouldn't too big to fit where the corner needed it. This one we're talking Yes, he did. Yeah. So it's just not whatever the size of the corner is is going to have to fit be no larger than that landing pad coming out of that door cuz if you get much well you can't get past that you'll be in the alleyway. So it's got to be compact. Yes. Just talk to Patrice about transferring this generator. I was supposed to call I put that on put that on the next. There's no rush there.

Put that on the next work session. I don't think we need to install a generator at the dispatch tomorrow and and get rid of that big monster that's out there where we clear that lot. Yeah. Just talking. Yeah. Uh we'll look into both those cuz that's going to factor into the building that we may build out there. Right. It is definitely going to factor into it. Uh discuss wet county license fees. That's our uh our alcohol license as a wet county for the year of 2627 and uh our county administrator's got a copy of those. Normally we approve the same thing we did last year. I don't know of any changes but most of them are are at the maximum that can be charged by the county portion anyway.

So So that's ready to act on on Tuesday. Okay. Item nine. Y'all do it every year. Item nine, discuss request sheriff Murray to approve a burl software license in the amount of $4,250 a year pending the county attorney's review. Uh that software allows for the extraction and examination of data uh collected from uh infotainment systems and vehicles. That's pretty good stuff there too. U this often includes mobile devices information as well as date time location based vehicle. That's like inside a computer operation of a car of a vehicle. now. Yeah. Okay. Download the black box. Y'all ready to y'all ready to uh

approve that? Item 10, discuss Quest Sherper to approve another subscription amount of $36,927. I believe that's in the budget. Uh this is on the uh OMIA cooperative. Well, it's already on the cooperative, so you don't have to get it. subscription allows law enforcement CPU and mobile device examination extraction to which allows evidence gathering from cell phones, electronic device search, warrant returns, drones, etc., etc., etc. Okay, ready to act on that. Item 11, discuss request public transportation director Jenny Smith to pay an invoice without purchase order for uh for some cleaning supplies that she ordered and didn't call and get a purchase order on $266. Item 12 discuss request city of Margaret Mayor Matt Torrici for a letter of support. Uh we've got the letter of support prepared uh appending my signature. So uh and he said it could be stamped. It's just a letter recommendation for him to apply for a hometown grant through team. Uh item 13 you got travel request listed and item 14 discuss board appointments. On board appointments we have two or three to look at here. I think y'all had a individual that has an airplane and that that is interested in the airport and that good spur has vacated his position and that's a didn't go for without sprinkle. Y'all is y'all good for that. He's talked to me and he he's ready to go with that appointment. Y'all ready to do that?

You talked to him about situation? Yes, sir. I have. He'll be an asset. He said he'll be helping us what whatever we need to do. That's what he told me. Get things cleared out. We need to get a letter from Judge B. We don't have a letter yet. I think we did. I think I thought he sent it to me. I sent it to you. No, we'll get We'll get that. We are holding out on this. Yeah. Let me I should have overlooked it.

I mentioned that what I'd like to do. I'd like to try to initiate something if we could forward the radio where we can get the information out and I'll take it on personally to get anything we need to put out. I'll go to the station or whatever I need to do to communicate big events, maybe even have live interviews from various departments because we've got a wolfly our county people just don't know. Uh I asked a lady the other day about the for example I mentioned that five mil and she her answer was I can't afford $500. So and it's like they just don't know $40. Yeah.

And that's the stuff we have got to get out. It's our responsibility I feel like and that would be one way to do it that reaches a lot a lot of folks and y and for six grand we can do it for the rest of the year. I think that'd be good. It's okay. That way the the revenue commissioner could go on and say this is what five mill $100,000 house be a budget amendment. Yes. Because we took it out of it was in the budget last year when we started taking things out. It was one of those things we took out.

Yeah. But there's just so many important things that I realize now that we are not communicating and don't really have to wait to to get it out uh that would be beneficial to not just the county but is us as well. We'd be able to communicate things that maybe have one live with with the road department. You know, if we if we've got a proposal on a contract from him, I know probably talk the radio. Yeah, I went down and talked to him personally the other day about it cuz I got thinking that's something that I could do as a commissioner that would communicate to the people of the county and $6,000 is what he and I agreed to. You got to have a contract and he got a review. Yeah,

we'll have a copy of the contract we had with him before, but he kind of he basically offered an open mic. Yeah. And he has again anytime we want to and need to, he will. And I see the need. I truly do. I can see where it'll be beneficial to us. We got a cont got a contract ready to use, y'all may be ready. I would be and and if it doesn't work like we think or like I think it should. Well, thank goodness. There you go. You'll be off that. You could u we do have two more vacancies. We have two vacancies on healthcare authority. Healthcare authority is is important anyway, but it's really growing importance. Y'all saw yesterday our our uh Slair County Hospital.

Yeah. We got all kind of accolades for being in the top five hospitals in the state, little hospital. Uh so our healthcare authorities going to be really involved in any kind of transition, any kind of expansion, whatever out there over the year. Wesley McHugh is uh the one that represents kind of this part of the county. When I say this part, I look at Asheville, Steel, Springville, kind of this part of the county. Uh but he's he's still on there, but he said he he's ready to get off there whenever we get somebody ready. He didn't want to leave them. He he tries to go, but he's uh sometimes he doesn't feel like that. He's had some health issues.

Yeah. So then you got that. Then Brian Mun, of course, we always know about his. He's gone. He's he's moved out of county and he he's turned his resignation letter already. So let's look around for a couple of people to serve on the healthcare authority that represents this region. Uh, I think I mentioned uh uh Paul Kell may be interested from here for Josh K. Josh. Yeah, Josh may. Well, he's Yeah, he'd be a good one and he's on that industrial development industrial development board which is going to be closely affiliated with whatever hospital because the property out there belongs to EDC.

So, uh, Stan, where we at on SSUT now? Right today in Montgomery. right today. They've dropped the lawsuit and uh we're wait the legislature supposed to be working on some kind of solution that doesn't affect the amount of monies that counties and cities and school systems get today unless they increase that online sales tax. That may be the money that goes to cities and I look for them to actually look at the size of population for cities that it might go to. Uh, I don't know how that's going to work, but we don't. Ours is clear. Yeah. Okay, good. And I've said that for a reason. If we're on track right now, we stay on track, we're going to collect roughly 600,000 more

to next year legislation years. It's going to rise almost 4 million this time. As it goes up, of course, our any sales tax goes down. That's right. But I'm just saying this year. This year, actually, our sales tax up this year 2.8 8 Michelle I think it was we need good news. Yeah, it wasn't a lot but it was it was going up. Uh the SSU you got that in files. It's let's it's going to jump out there. Okay. Here. Hey, this right here they send us the application. Children's place. Um, I brought that I brought that from the board meeting yesterday and uh anywhere we can help them at children's place if y'all want donate or

I'm going to buy a ticket for a table of eight. But anybody that wants to that's a good cause the 21st of April. It'll be at the old the old Methodist uh what do they call that? The beacon beacon beacon and then next year Dr. Tweet has asked for us to come back to First Baptist which we will. No, that that that's the spring lunchon for the children's place. Child advocacy and and that's that's one good call. We need to help them every way in any way we can. Teddy bear drive. They have several things they put on every year and they have a touch of truck and stuff. But uh this is a spank the spring bank that they always have. They sell tickets for

$25 per person. would have two tables. We have six or you can buy a table for 250 and and have eight people. I'll do it. I'll do it. But any donation last year I donated banana pudd I need an application like I say I always fill out application text the chick to carry it to I'll bring some I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll bring the application forms. I'll go to the next board meeting and said March 18th and I'll bring them here. That'll give us plenty of time. I will I would point out that uh I I had a meeting with the uh board of regards. Uh we got a couple of not looking for reappoint.

Really? Yeah. They're aging out what they basically said. Yeah. There's like they like to go on and they said y'all need some younger people on here that can understand computers. They said that's what we do. It's really gone. It's really gone to technology. So, no, we don't need to put the word out there. Anybody out there wants to be on the board of registars is appointed one appointed by the governor, one appointed by the state auditor and one appointed by There's different commissioner.

There's different numbers appoint these people, not us. But it didn't work condition people. So, uh,