Planning and Zoning Meeting - Regular Meeting

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You do the market. It's got awesome. Go sit down. Sit down. I was going to go by Angel County, but they weren't. Get this one. Okay. Good evening. Welcome to the August 20th, 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. At this time, I would request that everyone please turn off or mute all uh electronic devices, including cell phones. Also at this time, I would invite everyone to stand with me for the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Applications for conditional use permit request and reszoning request will be heard during tonight's meeting and the commission will vote on those applications and make a recommendation to the county council. The applications will then be scheduled to be introduced before the county council at the Monday. Whoa.

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I think so. I thought I turned it off. Excuse me. Okay. Uh those applications will then be scheduled to be introduced before the county council at the Monday, September the 8th, 2025 county council meeting. Public comment for conditional use permit requests will be taken during tonight's meeting and at the council meeting on Monday, September the 8th, 2025. Public comment on conditional use permit applications will not will not be taken at any meeting of the council county council held thereafter. Applications for preliminary plats heard during tonight's meeting will be voted on by the planning and zoning commission during the meeting. The vote on preliminary plat is final. Only a recommendation for denial of a preliminary plat would be heard before the county council at their Monday, September the 8th, 2025 meeting. The following documents are introduced as a matter of record for this evening's public hearing and regular meeting of the planning and zoning commission. Those documents are the unified development ordinance of St. Charles County including zoning maps, the year 2030 master plan for St. Charles County, which includes the year 2030 future land use plan map and the rules of order and procedure for the planning and zoning commission as adopted by resolution 21-01. I see we have a quorum. Is there a motion to open the meeting?

Motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion's been made and second to open the meeting. All in favor sign I. I.

Okay. Um to give you a little rundown how we conduct this meeting and this microphone is that's better. Um what will happen is I will read into the record the application and then we'll ask the staff uh for their report and at that point in time members of the commission may or may not have questions of staff. Um then we'll ask the applicant to come forward and uh present the application and answer any questions that members of the commission may have. Uh then we will have open the public hearing for that application. Uh so anyone wishing to speak regarding the application can come forward. We ask that if you're going to speak, please fill out one of these cards. This ensures we get your name uh correct uh in our minutes. The cards are over here on the rail. If you need some Miss Pays, we'll we'll get those to you. Okay. Um with the public hearing, um the uh I will place you under oath. Uh since this is a a record public hearing and it's it's a recorded hearing. Uh if so, you're placed under oath, which means you'll swear or affirm to tell the truth. Uh if you are stating a fact, we may ask you the basis of that fact. If you're stating your opinion, then let us know it's just your opinion. Okay? We we appreciate both. Okay? Um each speaker will be limited to three minutes. Um once we've had two or three speakers talk about the same issue whether it be traffic, noise, light pollution, uh etc. Uh then we will ask some ask you to move on to something new. Okay. Uh so uh that will help us uh sort of shorten the

meeting and and and move on. Okay. Uh once we have closed the public hearing uh then we'll ask the applicant to come back and address any issues that came uh about during the public hearing. Once we've closed the public hearing we'll take no more no more comments from the public. Then it'll applicant comes back answer questions that we may have and then the commission will vote on the application. Uh so that is our our procedure how we conduct this meeting. Um, first item on our agenda is uh PR25-09. Uh, the property owners are John B. Crane and Angela D Crane Revocable Living Trust Declaration of Trust. The surveyor's Bax Engineering uh represented by Jessica Hardgrave. The current zoning is R1E single family residential district. Uh the current lot is one lot totaling 3.45 acres in Woodcliffe Estates subdivision. The proposed lot is two lots totaling 3.45 acres and Woodcliffe Estates subdivision. The location is 433 Snipes Drive uh located approximately 730 ft north of the intersection of Ridgeway Drive and Snipes Drive on the western side of Snipes Drive. This is located in Council District 7. Staff,

good evening. Um, I put together a PowerPoint presentation um to go over this case if we There we go. So, a lot of the stuff is what you just read into the record. 433 Snipes Drive. The property owners are the Crane family. The current zoning is R1E, single family or residential zoning. It's been R1E um since the inception of zoning in the late 50s. Um there's actually a bit of a discrepancy in in the acreage. Initially we go off the assessor's database which says 3.45 and then after that we modify um based off the preliminary plat that we get from a engineer or surveyor. It's actually one lot um just over three acres. Um the proposed lots will bring it to about 2 and a half acres and then lot 47B will be 6 acres. This is the applicant's request. They're simply just um taking this larger parcel and creating off this smaller parcel you can see here shaded in green. Um in terms of the property history and surrounding land uses, um this was originally plotted in the late60s as a part of Woodcliffe Estates Plat 6. Um, like I said earlier, the property has been zoned R1E since the inception of zoning. And likewise, the minimum lot size has been 7,000 square ft. When in the next slide, you will see this a little bit better, but um, this subdivision was platted as mostly 3acre lots at the time. Um, presumably for maybe utility reasons and whatnot. But um in recent years, I say recent, the last few decades, um Somerset Hill subdivision has developed to the southwest, which it's kind of hard to see, but it's this area right here. Rest of this is Woodcliffe Estates.

So, this is kind of what I was talking about. There's been, let's see, five lots um near 433 Snipes Drive that have resubdivided their 3acre lot into two or even sometimes three smaller lots. Um, and this ranges back from the late 1990s up until um 2019. So, this isn't necessarily uncommon. Like I said, it was 3 acres when it was platted. The minimum lot size was still 7,000 square ft. So that kind of um flexibility has allowed property owners to subdivide their lots further. In terms of the technical requirements, um water service will be provided by Missouri American Water Company and sanitary sewer will be provided by Ducket Creek. There's currently an existing manhole at 430 at the intersection of 437 and 433 Snipes Drive, which is the property line to the north um that they share with 437. access to the new lot will come off of Snipes Drive, a pre-existing internal subdivision street. Um, and there's no water, natural water course or flood plane considerations um for this property. Um, and we also find that um should they develop a house or choose to develop a house on the second lot that that wouldn't present any major storm water concerns. Um, with like we do with all applications, we notify the public and utility providers. Um, in this case, we received comments back from Ducket Creek, which just outlined the requirements for the new lot owner, how they would um connect in and tap into the sanitary manhole. Um, the sanitary or the St. Charles County Soil and Water Conservation District, they respond to almost every preliminary plat that we have. Um, and they give kind of best practices for building a house based on the soil conditions of the lot. Um and then we got we did receive some public letters. Five letters of opposition and

one letter of uh concern. Any questions? Is that it? Yeah, it meets technical requirements of chapter 410. Any questions for staff hearing? No. Ask the applicant to come forward. I'm sorry. You're the applicant. Yes. Hello. Oh, please raise your right hand. You swallow me solemnly swear affirm it will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings are the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Angela Crane, 433 Snipes Drive, St. Charles, Missouri, 6330. Okay, go ahead, ma'am. Um we are uh we live at the house there that has uh the acreage and we are subdividing it um like it said to6 acres on the right side of the house if you're at the house and then the 2.46 acres with the house. We are currently wanting to sell the lot and the house separately. Um they're, you know, going to both be the house is for sale until this is approved. Then we will sell separately. Okay. The lot and the house.

Okay. Um yeah, and that's the purpose of subdividing is to sell them separately. Um any questions for the applicant? Yeah. So, it's very possible then that whoever was to buy the house may also want to buy the lot then and just to have a bigger yard, but they would just be two separate. Yes, they can if they want to or you know it's anybody can purchase it. Okay. My husband is disabled and it's really hard to maintain now. Any other questions for the applicant?

Hearing none. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. We'll now open the public hearing for P25-09. Is there anyone wishing to speak regarding this application?

Good evening. Do you saw me swear or affirm that you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth in these proceedings on the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record. Elizabeth Jury, 400 Snipes Drive. Okay. Go ahead, ma'am.

Um, I'm representing uh several neighbors in the Woodcliffe Estates neighborhood and the subdivision behind. Um, we are concerned that splitting this property will devalue our properties. It will destroy greenway. If you look in that list of all those other properties that have been subdivided, not a single one is under an acre. This neighborhood is different than most of St. Charles. I hate to say it, there's a lot of cookie cutter houses in this world. And part of the draw of this neighborhood is that it looks so different and we are spaced out. Um, we are also concerned if it does split, what are the limitations to building on that smaller lot? And also, there is already an MLS listing for this property. It is 254943 with a pending offer of $130,000. Um, so we are concerned with how this will change our neighborhood, change landscape, and how there's already a pending offer on something that doesn't exist.

Okay. Thank you, m. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak? You solemnly swear affirm you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings and the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. My name is Arie C. Um AC Dino, uh county public advocate, mailing address, PO Box 1535, Inoofalling. Um, I have uh I I see both sides to this issue and I just want to go through some points and make them a matter of public record. Um, this minimum lot requirement um I'm not sure if it um has to do with the covenants and restrictions of the subdivision or our county code, but the minimum lot requirement is 7,000 square feet minimum lot size. And so that kind of brings into consideration of property values. So, the majority of these homes are threeacre lots. This would diminish that lot size, but according to the staff, it's been done five times since 1950. Um, and the adjoining neighborhood, I don't really think plays into an equation just inside of the current neighborhood um that we're talking about. Um, but five parcels have uh reduced their lot size. Uh, the sanitary sewer service for future development will be by Ducket Creek. Unfortunately, as you all know, my stance, I don't see a letter from Ducker Creek stating that they can serve these properties, but I guess staff has talked to them. Uh the water service is going to be Missouri American Water. So, that three U acre limit would go out because of septic system. Um it meets the uh technical requirements of chapter 410 of our county codified code. Um, but I do have some concerns that this may diminish uh the uh current property owners who have 3 acre um lots. The staff recommendation is yes because it meets the technical requirements um as was stated uh by somebody here. There are five letters of opposition. There was one written protest that's uh on file with the county and I'm not sure. I'd have to ask

the county counselor uh Mr. wise uh if 30% of the property owners would trigger a supermajority vote of the county council on this issue. I know it definitely goes to zoning. I'm not sure if it would apply to a preliminary plat uh requirement. Um and that's under state and county charter. Um, this one's a tossup, folks. And so I think you need to juggle and you need to look at the balance of current property owners in the subdivision who have the 3acre lots who were made in 1950. But then on the other side, there were five lots that have diminished in uh parcel size. And so um I'm not going to go on record either for or against this issue. I'm going to leave that up to you. Um it's it's a tough decision. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is a letter in here from Ducket Creek, by the way.

I did not see it. Is it in there? Okay. Thank you. First letter. The other thing is the school district. I didn't see a letter from the school district if they can accommodate. I mean, we're talking about one parcel. I mean, we may be talking about one or two children, but um that's not an issue. We don't see that either. So, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Anyone else wishing to speak regarding application PR25-09? Anyone anyone wishing to speak? Can I add on to what I said?

Yep. Okay. We'll close the public hearing uh for P25-09. Ask the applicant to come back. Anyone have any questions for the applicant? Seeing none. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Okay. Uh we will now bring uh application CRP25-09 to the commission for consideration. Are there any questions, comments, questions for staff? I got comment. Yeah. Go ahead, sir.

Yeah. So, I was just driving around this area last week and um it was a hidden gem. I didn't know this these lots were back there and I just I have a problem with a 6 acre lot being being put in this area. So yeah, I can't support this. So I agree. I mean it's it's everything else is at least an acre. Yeah, it's a beautiful gem and this doesn't fit.

Can I ask a question? Um, do we know if there's any sort of restrictions on um, and I don't know if there's an HOA here or if there's any restrictions in our in our county rules as to what size of a house they would have to build on that. If there's a minimum size of a house or anything like that? No. Uh, the only we can we can only enforce the county zoning code. So, uh, it's just a,000 square foot minimum house size and then a 7,000 square foot lots. Um, the covenants and restrictions might say something, but it's not something that we would be privy to.

Okay. And then can I clarify? Um, we have different, you know, rules for different types of um, applications. Some of them are opinion based, some of them are fact-based. Is this one of the ones where it's basically like it either does or doesn't meet the technical requirements? Correct. So, we're just supposed to vote it does or doesn't meet, then this really doesn't have anything to do with our opinion. I just wanted to make sure that that was what we're looking at. Cool. Any other questions or comments? Yeah, I think that this the way it was zoned um Jared, it sounds like when the zoning is attached, it allows for that size of a lot given the technical requirements for a split on something like this. Correct. Yeah.

So, okay. I I don't like it either, but I think it meets the zoning code when it was set up. So, I think that I'm going to vote in favor of the application. Anyone else? I do have a comment. you know, if they're splitting this lot to raise more money uh to sell the this smaller lot, wouldn't it work out that if they still sold it as a bigger lot, they would still have the same amount of money? Not necessarily.

Anyone else? Hearing no one, the chair will entertain a motion to approve uh application P25-09, which is a preliminary plat for Woodcliffe estates plat 6 re-recorded subdivision of lot 47. Is there a motion? So moved. Second. Um let me Cornwell made the motion. Mr. Shell made the second. Miss Bamer, how do you vote? Who did you say? No. No. Uh, Mr. Shell, no. Uh, Mr. Baker, no. Uh, Miss Bar, yes. Uh, Miss Kersner,

no. No. And where am I at? I vote yes. So, got one more person. Yes. Yeah. Yes. For me. No. Mr. Cornwell. Yes. Yes. Um, uh, application fails. Uh, three in favor, four opposed. That's still read at the council though. Yeah, this is this is a recommendation to the council's county council. It will be on their agenda on the uh September the 8th uh meeting right back in this in this room.

And Roger, doesn't it take a super majority now to approve it at council? Yes. Takes five of the seven. So, just so you know. Okay, next on our agenda is a conditional use permit.

If you guys were here for this and you want to leave real quick, go ahead. Go ahead. Next on the agenda is a conditional use permit amendment located at 2150 Technology Drive. This is application CUP25-06. Property owner is Benson Automotive Properties LLC. The applicant is Bax Engineering, Larry Walker. The current zoning is C2 General Commercial District. uh conditional use request is amendment to ordinance 19-095 that authorized automobile and truck sales from the property to add 5,686 square ft of building onto the service department for the dealership. The CUP area consists of 7.22 acres. It's located at 2150 Technology Drive located at the northeast corner of Doris Avenue and Technology Drive adjacent to the city of Fallon. This is located in council district 3. Staff,

good evening, commissioners. Uh, this amendment to an existing 2019 CUP uh would allow the applicant to construct an addition to an existing uh dealership for cars and trucks. The addition will add uh or will include seven new service bays, one wash and detail bay, uh one tool room totaling roughly 5,800 square ft. Uh the UDO describes what kind of variations um can be made to an existing concept plan and CUP uh permit. Any variation which the director of community development deems to be a major variation requires uh approval from planning and zoning commission and county council uh for conditional use amendments. The planning and zoning division evaluates the request for consistency and purpose in content with the nature of the original proposal. The planning and zoning division views the this cup amendment as consistent with the original request that was approved in 2019 as they're only adding a service station to their existing dealership. Um the original ordinance from 2019 imposed five conditions. The only change to those conditions would include the site plan requirement in conformance with the latest concept plan that was uh submitted with this request. The planning and zoning division recommends approval with the conditions as listed in the staff report.

Any questions for staff? Hearing none. Ask the applicant to come forward. You solemnly swear or affirm that you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings from the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. Please state your name and address for the record. Larry Walker with Bax Engineering, 221 Point West Boulevard, St. Charles, Missouri, 63301. Go ahead, sir. Appreciate the staff's uh report and and um presentation. Um I do I I would ask is

is everybody have the packet? I mean if if you look at the second to the last page I think it's the overall site. I do have something I can I can put up if if you need to see something additional. Um

so um as as stated this is an existing um Buick GMC dealership. Um existing building is about 38 34,800 square feet. So, what we're doing is the little red box on the western side or the left side of that that picture of of the building. We're adding a service bay edition as mentioned by staff um seven seven um service bays and a wash and detail bay. Those are all internal to the building and on the western side of the building itself. Um pretty basic uh addition what we're doing. Um of course there will be a few new additional employees. There's plenty of extra inventory. you know, we'll have additional spaces for any additional customers and, you know, on the site plan as mentioned, we'll have parking calculations and that to show, you know, we're complying with all the requirements. Um, it's really that simple. And if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer anything that you you may want to know about the site.

Uh, with this new addition, is there any setback requirements? Yes. Yes, it does. It meets No, no, it meets all the setback. It meets all the setback requirements, zoning requirements. Um even I think there was a transition um with water detention and water quality. This does actually have detention and water quality. It might have been before the actual requirements went into place, but it it does provide those items. Um so all code requirements were fine with all those conditions of approval. Those are the same ones that were put in place um with the 2019 I think it was approval. Um so um any other questions be more than happy to answer them. Will this this be open during their regular business hours?

Yes, it's it's just an addition to the exist they have the existing service. It's just adding these additional follow the same service hours of the correct the same hours same yeah nothing in the I guess the operations will change. Will there be any external lighting?

No, we're actually with the building addition there's actually one light standard there that'll be removed but then it won't be necessary. So, we're not going to add anything other than there will be a downcast like a building light over over a door or something like that. And the building itself will match the existing. I I did review the we do have building plans and in house now. Um it's a CMU I know we're not reviewing building elevations, but a CMU block that's painted white. It matches the existing the rear part of the building. Not talking about the the frontage, but but that rear part of the building. It's it'll match that. Any other questions for the applicant?

Assuming there's no parking issues. You're eating up a little bit of parks for the addition. Correct. Yeah, more than enough. Oh, yeah. There's there's um Gosh, I didn't look at the numbers. There's hundreds there's hundreds of inventory stalls and Yeah, there's plenty. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's that's the addition. The red edition I was talking about. Just the red part is the addition. And the little one on the on the south part is the what they were calling the tool room. That's 12 x 16. Any other questions for the app? Seeing none. Thank you.

Uh we'll now open the public hearing for uh CUP25-06 which is a conditional use permit amendment. Do you solemnly swear firmly to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth in these proceedings or the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, my name is Arie C. ACOV, county public advocate. Uh, mailing address PO Box 1535 in Fallon. If you all recall back in 2019, uh there was opposition from the adjoining neighborhood and the residents who live uh behind this site. But I can tell you that this uh this company and this family has stepped up to the plate and they have exceeded expectations of the Ofallen and Darden Prairie area. Um they have been good neighbors. uh they have been responsible to the community. They give back a lot to the community in their few years of existence. Um they offer a a good value for your money in terms of uh competing with a uh another uh dealership in St. Peters and offering citizens value. This 8 uh 5,848 ft um they're a growing dealership and they have exceeded customer service experience in my opinion. Um, and I believe that they're outgrowing their current facility. Um, they have the room to build. Um, the facility is there. It's sandwiched in between of both sides. Um, and also Interstate 64, which is also in the city of Ofallen. And they decided to remain uninccorporated. Um I would want I want to go on record to make sure um since 2019 there have been great um new restrictions or regulations from the state department of natural resources in the county in terms of the N4 uh water surface requirements which staff said that because they're building the new building they're obligated to meet those M4 uh regulations for those reasons because they have in my opinion been an outstanding citizen have contributed back to the communities of Fallon and Darden Prairie and our county as a whole. They're a great economic development uh incentive property. Um I would ask that you unanimously recommend to the county council approval of this

building addition. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak regarding this application? Anyone? Seeing one no one, we'll close the public hearing. Ask the applicant to come back. Um, Mr. Walker, are you uh the staff has recommended five conditions? Are you familiar with those conditions? Yes, I am. Any problems with those conditions? No problems at all. Okay. Anyone have any other questions for the seeing none? Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Uh chair will entertain a motion uh to approve CUP25-06 which is a conditional use permit amendment located at 2150 Technology Drive uh subject to the uh conditions recommended by staff. Is there a motion? Motion. Motion by Miss Bamer. Is there a second? Second. Uh who was that down there? Mr. Mr. Cornwell. Cornwell. See if I can get everybody. Mr. Shell, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Baker. Yes. Uh, Miss Bar. Yes. Miss Gner. Yes. Miss Bamer. Yes. Mr. Cornwell. Yes. And I vote yes. Did I get everybody that time?

Yes. Okay. Got everybody that time. Uh, okay. Where am I at now?

Force Drive. Next item on our agenda is a zoning map amendment request located at uh 22 2630 uh for Forest Drive, not Forest, I guess. Application RZ25-10. The property owners are Diane G. Wood and Rick Wwood. Uh the applicant is RWS company, Greg RWS. Uh current zoning is a Agricultural District. The proposed zoning is R1E single family residential. Uh the uh the zoning area is 3.18 acres. The location is at two at 2630 Fost Drive located on the northeast corner of Fost Drive and Highway D adjacent to the city of Wolf Fallon. This is located in council district 2 staff.

So just real quick, this is a reasonzoning. There's also a preliminary plat later on the next item on the agenda. So, uh, I may overlap with both of these presentations a little bit. Uh, the reszoning, uh, area is 3.1 acres and would change it from a to R1E single family zoning. This would allow detached single family homes on 7,000 square foot lots. Uh, seven lots are proposed for this development with about.7 acres of common ground uh, dedicated for storm water detention purposes. Uh the development will be served by public utilities uh with public water supply district number two providing water and Ducket Creek sanitary uh sewer district providing sanitary sewer service. Surrounding land uses primarily include uh single family residents uh residential developments and a nursery to the south. Some of the existing uh residential developments include Forest Manor Estates, Fox Haven, and Oakhurst, all of which feature lot sizes and densities similar to the proposed reszoning here. Uh the future land use plan recommends low density residential or 1 to four units per acre for the subject parcel. Uh we received five letters of opposition and uh so county staff finds uh that the planning and zoning commission should recommend approval.

Any questions for staff? See no, we'll ask the applicants to come forward. Do you solemnly swear or affirm you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings or the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is David BS. I'm with BS Engineering and our address is 10849 Indian Head 63132.

Go ahead, sir. Sorry. Tell me your own.

All right. What am I using here? I use this This is forward and this is backwards.

All right. Sorry about that. Again, my name is David Volos. I'm with Vols Engineering and with me tonight is Adam Bear with RS Homes and we're seeking reszoning and a preliminary plan approval. And I'm going to do them both at the same time as well. Uh on a 3.18 acre site that's located on the northeast corner of Highway D and Force Drive and it's in unincorporated St. Charles County. And the site's currently zoned A. And what we're seeking is a reszoning to an R1e and then the preliminary plan approval. So if you look at that aerial, you can see where Doubled D is and then um Summers Road which is to the left and then Forest Road is is just to the left of the of the red box which is our site. And the subdivisions which were previously mentioned I I have them highlighted there. Fox Haven um is to the south and that's the nursery that I actually have the label on. Summerland uh to the west, Oakurst Forest Meadows or yeah, Manor, and then O Day Park is to the right. And then this whole area is part of Welden Springs Gardens. And so there's two roads that go to the north. I think one is called Oak and the other one is Forest. And they go up and eventually tie actually over into Summers Road. And that's an old subdivision that's been around for a long long time. I think since the 1950s. Um and gradually I think that some of those pieces are being being redeveloped. So I just wanted you to see u the overall here. Um then a little step further out you can see what the staff had said is that this area is a transitional area and the whole area is being redeveloped. You see Liberty High School, Highway N up there in Calonia. So this is kind of in the middle of all of that development that you see there. Um, and in fact, in fact, right across from Liberty High School, that's a subdivision called Creekide, which is uh which was done in the county that RS is also building in. So, that's that's one that's nearby that they're building in. And one thing I'd point out is all those other subdivisions are all in the city of Ofallen, I believe. So,

this one would be would be one that we've proposed doing in the St. Charles County. So the site plan, that's the actual site and I wanted I wanted to show you this slide just to show you that the the center of that site is generally flat and all the drainage runs to the northwest. So that's the low spot and it actually goes into basically a ditch that runs along the east side of Forest Road and and to the north, but pretty much the whole site drains that direction where the arrow is. And I just wanted you to see and and our entrance would be right across the street from the existing the existing curb cut off of forest for for the project to the left. And our site basically mirrors that. So and this would be the site plan. And again, we're proposing seven lots in the R1E district. The R1E allows 7,000 foot minimum. But if you look at that site plan, the smallest lot, which is lot six right there, that lot is 10,500 ft, which is 50% bigger than a than an R7 U or I'm sorry, than the R1E. And some of those lots are I think five might be 16,000 square ft, but you know, most of those lots are pretty big. The smallest one is 50% bigger than than what that would be. R1E also requires a 70 foot lot, and these are 80 foot lots that we that we have here. um where the where the buildings are and as you look at the site plan that what you see this is the basically the grading plan. So in the northwest corner since that's the lowest spots that's where our detention basin and water quality basin would be and that's where we would you know do the detention and things like that. The sanitary sewer um again it's Ducket Creek. It basically the the subdivision to the to the left has sanitary sewer in it and we would flow over that and then eventually it goes down into the Fox Haven area. So, that's how the sanitary works. Um, one thing I would point out is there's actually an existing pipeline with two pipes in it, but they've been abandoned. So, we'll have to we'll have to remove the the old pipes that are in the ground and and restore that and then

get the pipeline company to release the easement. But, that's basically on the north side of where lot one, two, and three are. Just north of that is where that existing pipeline is, and that would be removed. Uh, I want to show you some of the homes that uh RS is proposing here. Basically, they're all uh I actually went on their website and I they have a great website. You can go on to it and then you can actually do virtual tours through these houses. They're they're beautiful. They're all um I'm just going to thumb through some of them here. Um the averages I mean some of them are 3,400. I think this one's 3,400 square ft. It they're all This one's a two-story threecar. Bridgeport is 3200 square ft. You can see the front elevations of these. There's a variety of front elevations. This one's the Canterberry Edgewood. And these are the products you're going to see there. The only one that looked like it was a twotory actually allows for a tandem garage beyond it. So, it's a really a threecar as well. And then back to the site plan. So, I read the staff report. I agree with the recommendations. One of the things they said that the overall um the request of the R1E zoning is consistent with the character and the development of the entire area. And I think that's true. And you can tell that from looking at that aerial of that whole area and what's being developed there. So, with that, I'd love to ask any questions you have.

Uh is this in Winsville School District? It is. Yes. So, Liberty High School's just up the street. So, it's right I'll show Yeah. So you can see Liberty High School right there. And the and the middle school, Frontier Middle School is on Double D. I don't remember the I think it's Discovery, the elementary school. So it's a great area. I used to live right down D for a long, long time. Drove by it all the time. I got a question for staff. Is there any the um all the property north of this area is that in the county or is that in

that Welen what you call Welen Welen spring springsardens gardens that's all still in the county yes okay this is the county that right there is city of failalen this isalen of I think this large lot thing here is in the county. Um when you get over here you're this is Oalon actually Calonia. Yeah, which that's pretty built out now. And this is actually Wing Haven. Okay. Any questions for the Okay. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. We'll now open the um public hearing for RZ25-10, which is a resoning map amendment request for at uh uh 2630 Forest Drive. Anyone wishing to speak?

You solemnly swear firmly you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings from the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. Thank Please state your name and address for the record. Tether KS 6 Forced Manor Court of Fall Allen 63368. Okay. Go ahead, ma'am.

Um, so I am one of the Forest Manor estates directly across from 2630. And I just want to point out where he showed the water the water retention going to that one area. The homeowner that lives there um personally sued us for water retention. Uh just to bring that to to y'all's attention, it was uh my attorney got my suit dis dismissed, but there were I believe three other homeowners that had to pay that homeowner because of water because of the water runoff. Um so that's that's the one thing I want to consider. And then I'm also one of the opposition letters. Okay. Okay. Anything else? No. Okay. Thank you.

Anyone else wishing to to speak? Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings and the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I will. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is John Fulmer and my address is 2584 Force Drive Fallon.

Okay, go ahead, sir. Um, first interesting thing is Tim, you said a a jewel when we're talking about the other one. This Welden Springs Gardens in unincorporated St. Charles County has been surrounded by Oallon with all the developments. Everything that that was referred to tonight is of Fallon Fallon. Of Fallon and actually the last lady was up where she lives was annexed into Fallon to build that little five um house little subdivision. So preserving to preserving um the Welden Springs golden gem I think is real important. That's important to me. We're on five acres just a couple doors down from this development. Um the uh I was a contractor that picked up some of the work from the previous lady's development. The company went bankrupt. They were left with roads not finished. I was hired, my my company was hired to do the sidewalks, um fix some of the roadways, and address the lawsuit that was brought. the the sewer water was designed and dumped on a lower level into this lady's backyard, flooded her basement. Um, we had to build a special Well, after after they settled the lawsuit, they paid me, the lady paid me with her suit money to build um a big retention pond to catch their discharge, put it through a 12-in pipe, and run it through her yard, through her septic system to the ditch. It was a horrible design, but it pitted OFAN against unincorporated St. Charles County and there you may remember it was five, six years ago and it was a big big ordeal. It got solved, but that drainage issue like she mentioned was a major

major consideration. Uh the other thing when that since I was the contractor that that helped finish up that site, I contacted uh Ducket Creek because we own a rental property two doors down Highway D. And I requested if if it was possible that their development tied on to the force sewer line if we could also. And and I verified today that Monty, the head engineer at Ducket Creek, said that the force sewer line is 100% full. So, I don't see how they're going to dispose of their sewage. Um, that that pretty much wraps it up. So, I see issues because of my experience with the other subdivision with the drainage. I see taking a little piece of this gem, four, five, 10 acre lots where the homes are being torn down and million-dollar homes built there. majority for the lot like you mentioned earlier with the previous lady wanting to split her lot. People enjoy that space and that is a little pocket that I I hope you guys would preserve.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Anyone else wishing to speak? You solemnly swear or affirm that shall tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth in these proceedings or the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. Please state your name and address for the record. Cynthia Lope, 10 Forest Manor Court filing 63368. Go ahead, ma'am.

Um, it's it kind of goes on the lines what he was saying. Even though I live across from where they want to put the seven homes, when you walk down Forest Manor and you go to Oak Drive, all of those lots have one house on them. And there are a couple lots now that houses are being built. They're five plus acres and there's one house on those lots. That's what we want for this lot across from where we live. It's less than five acres. It's 3.1 acres. We don't want seven homes. We want one home to keep with the aesthetic that's happening on Forest Drive and Oak Drive. And I was also one of the opposition letters as well. Okay. Anything else? That's it. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

Anyone else? Thank you. You solemnly swear affirming to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings under the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes. Please state your name and address for the record. Dave Horowitz, 2600 Forest Oallen 63368. Go ahead, sir.

I own the property adjoining just to the north of the proposed development. I bought it for the intention of building a home there. I have just under two acres. Originally, those were all platted in the 50s at 5 acre lots. So, the proposed development is on the three acre part of my 5 acre. My I have just under two and that's just over three. So, at some point they'd split it up. Um there is no infrastructure in there as far as sewer, storm sewer, anything like that, which is fine for the way you know minimum 2 acre, 2 to 5 acre lots, but what he was talking about with the storm water and all that, it's going to dump right onto the corner of my lot and there's no place for it to go. Uh there is no storm source to the north of that development. So that's my biggest concern. concern. The other concern is um if I want to build a nice home on two acres, it's not going to really work out good with all the clustered development right next to it. And that's the reason I purchased the property to begin with is to build one home on. So that's my my biggest concern.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Anyone else? Anyone else looks wanting to speak? Oh, you solemnly swear our affirmative tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in these proceedings with the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the comm or commission. My name is Ronnie C ACDO, county public advocate. Um, again, this is another tough issue. This is a changing neighborhood. Uh if you look at the corridor of Summers Road and Missouri Highway D, um there's a lot of new changes. Um there are new uh general housing needs for growing families. It's a growing region. It's the region to be sought out and after. Um times have changed over since the 1950s when there were no utilities and no schools or very limited schools were provided uh in that area. Services are provided. Last week, I just attended the grand opening of the new Ducket Creek sanitary sewer plant uh at Hobo Road and Missouri Highway N, which is not far from this facility. Um there are new housing needs uh that are needed throughout our county. Um um the issue that I want to bring up is if the recommendation isn't a yes from the planning and zoning commission, what I'm afraid is is the developer will go to Oallin, which this property is surrounded by, and they will annex that property. And so the the residents will be uh depleted and really disappointed because the current city ordinance it was uh changed about 5 years ago was 14 uh houses per acre. It's when Mr. uh Cornwall was on staff in the city of Oallen, but now it's been changed to 10 homes per acre. And so I'm afraid since this is unincorporated, if you would deny this issue, it would be absorbed by the city of Ofallen. this developer has is not shy about going to the Alfallen city council and hammering out a deal and uh his some other properties have been easily annexed. Um so I'd like to

at least keep some type of uh control and some type of uh positive growth in this changing neighborhood. Duck Creek uh can definitely uh uh handle the sanitary sewer with their new opening of their uh new plant. Public Water District number two is a growing entity. It's the biggest water district in the state of Missouri and they can handle the increase. But I'm really concerned about the school district. The Winsville school district is bursting at the seams once again. They had a bond issue for I believe $78 million that was turned down by voters, a no tax increase bond issue to build new schools and it was turned down in April. And so they're becoming increasingly uh bursting at the seams. I see in the packet no letters from our partners, no letters from the Wel School District, and I'll get into the bus issue in the next uh public hearing along with the M4 requirements or regulations. But the thing that I want to home into is the annexation uh within can easily absorb this neighborhood in a heartbeat. And if the developer chose, he could go up to 10 uh homes per acre and uh that would drastically uh diminish uh and and really hurt the residents of this neighborhood. So, I would encourage you to vote yes for this recommendation of the full county council. And uh just so the residents know, if they go out and get a petition, I know for a fact if you get 30% of the registered uh owners uh onto a petition, it would uh intercede and require a super majority of the county council. Instead of four out of seven votes, it would be five out of seven votes. And so that's my testimony. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Anyone else wishing to speak? Anyone? Okay, we'll close the public hearing for CR25-10. Ask the applicant to come back. Questions for the applicant. Could you address the drainage issues that that the folks were talking about? I can. First, um I don't know how I get back to There you go.

Yeah. The drainage area issue they're talking about is actually right here. And most of that was caused that that developer basically left town. It was a guy named Reggie Walls and I actually did the design on that thing. So I think it was a good design. The city of Failan approved it. It met all the code and regulations of the city. So I disagree with John Fulmer saying it was a bad design. Um what was bad is the original construction because it wasn't built right. It was and that's why John went in and repaired it. Um, but the that's that's what happened there. And you know, he skipped town and I had a lawsuit with him as well. So, I'm in with all the residents saying that that was the way that thing was constructed was not good. Um, this one, like I said, all the drainage heads this direction. There's a ditch right there and we'll detain the water just like the county code requires us to, and we'll discharge it just like every development that we do everywhere. We'll detain it in the basin and we'll discharge it at no greater rate than than currently discharges. So that that's what we'll do with that. Um the sanitary sewer there there is capacity there and we have talked to Ducket Creek and we're connecting in here. This project to the north I mean they they would their drainage goes to the north and to the east but this we can run that's the sanitary line right there and it goes into this manhole and there's enough fall to get into that system which goes down to the pump station in Fox Haven. So, as you're north here, it it falls that direction and those people would not be able to tie into the same system. So, but we do have capacity in the system that we're in. Um, and in terms of the of the annexation, we we want to be in the county. When we did our other project along uh and it's I'm not the developer, I'm the engineer, but when the other project that I did for RS um along Summers Road, it it could have gone into Oalon and we chose to stay with the county. So, we want to be with the county you and these are the lots they want to do and they're they're nice

product. They're they're uh big and I wish I would have brought a zoning map. Well, I go back to the aerial in terms of the um you can use a county GIS map. Yeah, if you need to.

I think that some of those pieces that are part of that uh that that um Weldon Springs, I think some of those are already zoned actually. So, the area is redeveloped redeveloping. You can tell from this aerial right there. I mean, these are all highdensity things. And this is a pocket that's left. Some of these right here were were reszoned, and I don't remember, but they were reszoned in the county. And then actually, people ended up building monster houses on those along along Summers Road, but some of these pieces were were reszoned, I believe, some time ago. And the county can correct me, the staff can correct me if I'm wrong on that, but um so any questions that you would have? I just got a quick question. What's your differential runoff? Just curious.

You know what? I don't I don't know at this point. We haven't designed the basin yet, but but you're you're you know that you need a basement basin. So, you know, there's Okay. I was just curious. Yeah. The uh the basin's not designed at this point, but but you know, we're required to meet all the county requirements. We're we're doing water quality. We're we're doing storm water detention. Um we're discharging at no greater rate for various storms. Um, so so you're greater than 2 CFS because Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's greater than 2 CFS. Okay. That's Thank you. Yeah. I have a question. Sure.

If you if for some reason this was, you know, declined and um you did have to go and annex into Allen if if Mr. Denof is um correct that it's, you know, 10 per acre, could you potentially build 30 houses on that? You you couldn't and we wouldn't we wouldn't do that. How many? I mean, I'm not saying you should. I'm just curious as to how many you actually could. That's accurate with a fallen. Yeah, that seems really high. That seems like a lot of houses. I don't see how they work there, but yeah, that wasn't I mean, they'd be really small houses. This is the product that we could have come in with a smaller product with 70 foot lots, right?

But we didn't do that. These are 80 foot lots with a larger product with threecar garages, which is what they want to do because I don't think they want to compete with their project that they have going on Summer's Road. So, these are these are bigger than those. So, we wouldn't we don't want to do that. So yeah, I hear a lot on the annexation with Oallon. I mean, how I'm viewing this case is I don't, you know, the annexation with Allen is not what we're viewing. It's it's does it meet the county master plan, which staff has highlighted that it does? And then the the subdivision within that that zoning, does it meet the technical requirements, which we'll discuss in a little bit here. So

any other questions for the Very none. Thank you, sir. Uh, she'll bring application 20 or RZ 2510, which is a resoning map amendment request, back to the commission for consideration. Questions, comments, questions for staff. Hearing none, the chair will entertain a motion to approve RZ25-10, which is uh Oh, wait. I'm on the Yeah, I'm on the right one, aren't I? Yeah. Uh, which is a reszoning of uh six acres from a agricultural district to R1E single family residential. Is there a motion?

3.18 acres. Uh, my sheet says six. No, it's 3.18. I'll change it. Yeah. So, is there a motion? Motion. Motion's been made. Is there a second? Miss Bor made the second. Miss Kushner, how do you vote? Yes. Uh, Mr. Shell, yes. Mr. Cornwall, yes. Uh, Miss Bamer, yes. Uh, where am I at? Mr. Baker, yes. Miss Bar, yes. Uh, and I vote yes. The resulting has been approved. Okay. [Applause]

Uh, agenda.

Okay. The next item item on our agenda is a preliminary plat for 2630 Forest Road. Uh it says application PR25-10. Property owners Diane G. Wood and Richard Wood. Applicant is RWS company Greg RS. Surveyor Balls uh Incorporated. Uh current zoning is a agricultural district. Proposed zoning is R1E single family residential. uh current lot as one lot totaling 3.18 acres. Proposed uh seven lots 10,579 square ft to 16,958 ft with a common ground of 32,129 ft. The location is uh 2630 Forest uh Drive located on the northeast corner of Forest Drive and Highway D adjacent to the city of Oallen. This is located in council district 2 staff.

Okay. So much much of uh what I discussed in that previous one will apply here. Uh I'll hit on a few different things. Uh transportation, the internal subdivision street will be built to county standards and therefore maintained by the county as well. Uh the existing rideway width on Highway D is approximately 70 ft right now. The county's thoroughfare plan calls for 120 ft. So right-of-way dedication is not required by MDOT but at the in this preliminary plat it will need to account for that right-of-way expansion at some point. So um does it here? Sorry what does does it here?

Yes, I believe it does on the plat. It is showing that uh that the the the setback lines will account for no development in that future rideway expansion. I don't I didn't see it. Okay. Well, have a couple that.

Okay. Hold. Uh the other thing, the existing shared use path along the north side of Highway D um will be extended along the uh the southern part of this subject parcel. The pipeline easement on there uh will need to be vacated formally at some point before this plaque can be approved. uh the tree preservation the unified uh development ordinance requires residential residential developments uh preserve a minimum 10% of the site or 25% of existing woodlands and trees whichever is greater. Um county staff does find that the preliminary plat meets the technical requirements of chapter 410. Uh should the commission approve the plat, the county council would need to approve the related uh resoning uh as a prerequisite before the division director can sign off on the plat.

Any questions for staff? Hearing none. Ask the applicant to come forward. I have to swear you in against a new application. You solemnly swear affirming you will tell the truth, the whole truth with nothing but the truth in these proceedings and the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is David Volos with Vols Engineering and our address is 10849 Indian Head 63132 and uh I won't I don't do you want me to go through the the I will tell you it the differential I think is 2.3 CFS. So

um and we will be doing detention. If I go back to the site plan, this is the property actually comes to to right here right now. Um, so we'll be doing a dedication along there. We actually don't have the survey done yet, but we're basically lining up with the other side. So, so that's the where the trail is. And if I showed you the area, you'd seen it. And our trail is going to continue right there. So, um, and I think those were the only things I wanted to add. So, the dedication is for the trail to be in the rideway, correct? Or no, that the trail is not in the rideway. the trail and neither is the trail over here in the rightway. Okay.

Or over here, but it it runs in an easement right there. Right there. And it's I think it's a 10-ft trail. That's what That's what shows. Yeah. I was a little confused by the staff comment about the rideway dedication. What was was there any anything on the plans for right away? I was actually confused about it, too. So, um, uh, I Yeah, I guess for for staff is is there going to be rightway dedication that's required with this off the off the the the road to the west? So, MDOT has instructed us for some time um, not to ask for dedication along state routes. Okay.

So, basically what we do is we make them aware of planned thorough affair with um, and to design accordingly. Um, but we don't require dedication along state routes. Okay. So, the dedication had to do with the state route that was mentioned. It wasn't Frost Road as far as the county. We're just got making them aware of the plan. Okay. This is the county GIS right here. So, that is the property line. Uh, and you can't see it, but that's the property line across and we're basically lining right up with it, which is Yep. That's what the the plans are showing. So, cool. I got you.

Okay. Any questions for the applicant? Okay. Thanks, sir. We'll now open the public hearing for P25-10.

You solemnly swear our affirmative to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth in these proceedings or the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. My name is Arie C, ACOV, county public advocate. Couple issues I want to go over with this preliminary plat. Um, number one, um, I want to make sure that the M4 requirement and regulations are met, um, both through the Department of Natural Resources and also our, uh, county code of ordinances, kind of county um, county codified code for M4 requirements. Um, I want to make sure that the developer builds the 10-ft um, ADA accessible multi-use trail at the developer's expense. I would ask that the developer, as we all know with all the uh, increase in development and increase of homes and subdivisions on Missouri D. Um, that expansion is going to be ultimately required for Missouri D. I would ask that the developer um donate uh um with no compensation the amount of land to increase the lane of Missouri D. Now's the time to do this rather than um at a later point. I disagree because I attend all the Missouri Transportation Commission meetings and they want to work with our county to get right away developed because it's part of the develops developers impact on the community and it will save taxpayers money and the longevity because if we wait and want to buy that property at a later date, it's going to be astronomical compared to them donating it and being a good corporate partner and a good corporate citizen to our county as a whole. Um the plat meets the technical requirements of chapter 410. Um we know that sewer and water is going to be offered. However, the school district has not uh contributed or sent a letter saying that they can accommodate uh more students at the high school, the middle school, and the elementary school. And I would ask that staff put on record if you reached

out to the Wentzville um school R4 school district to get their comments. The second issue is bus transportation. We want to make sure that the turning radius of that culac has has come up in past meetings that it meets the minimum requirements for a ladder truck of the Wville Fire Protection District and uh mutual aid fire protection districts in the area. And then it also meets the requirements of the turning radius of a school bus from the Wville uh department Wville school district um school bus transportation. Um the recommen recommendation of county staff is yes. I'd rather have this property be in the county where it can be controlled rather than a higher density opportunity if they would annex the city of Ofallen. For those reasons, I would ask for unanimous recommendation uh to the county council and I hope you asked the developer about the turning radius to make sure that our fire department, first responders, school bus, and children are being picked up properly. I think we need to get the donation of the rightway right now rather than costing taxpayers uh a lot more money down the road and that the walking trail should be at the developer's expense and they meet all infor requirements or regulations. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak regarding application P25-10? Anyone? Seeing no one, we'll close the public hearing. Ask the applicant to come back. Does your culde-sac meet the uh required turning radius? It it does. I will tell you that uh I I did Summerland right next door and part of the idea with the path I think everybody's going to walk to the schools um because we had to make certain crosswalks so that everybody could could use the the walking trails to get to school. But

to me, it was like a perfect bus stop right there in the street. and the and there's no school that would drive in that little short culde-sac anyways. Yeah. So, uh and that we will dedicate the required dedication there um and but build a trail. So, that was always part of the plan. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant? Seeing none. Hearing none. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Any questions, comments regarding application P25-10? Anyone? I guess for staff and I know this is something you'd probably work out later with the construction plans, but is a sidewalk required to connect to the trail? It doesn't look like it does

on this. I'm just curious. It's not really a Yeah. What what sidewalk? I mean, I know there's right now on the south side of the new road that's being platted and then I don't see that it connects up with uh the 10ft trail. Um I'm not sure. Engineering staff hasn't reviewed this yet. Yeah, I just noting that. I just curious if that's code on that. I can't imagine them not approach. I wouldn't think so, but

anything else hearing? No one. Chair will entertain a motion to approve PR 25-10 which is a preliminary plat for 2630 Forest Drive. Uh is there a motion? So moved. Miss Bar made the motion. Is there a second? Second. Uh Mr. Shell. Mr. Baker, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Cornwall? Yes. Uh Miss Bamer? Yes. Miss Crutchner? Yes. Miss Bar? Yes. Uh Mr. Shell? Yes.

And I vote yes. Okay. Agenda. Okay. The next thing on our we have no tabled or continued items. Next u item is approval of the June 18th 2025 meeting minutes. Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections to the June 18th, 2025 meeting minutes? Hearing none. Sher will entertain a motion to approve the June 18th, 2025 meeting minutes. Is there a motion? Motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion's been made and seconded to approve the June 18, 2025 meeting minutes. All in favor sign I.

I. Okay. Um, planning and zoning division updates. Robert, uh, quickly uh, a new planning zoning commissioner has been appointed, Bob N Miller. He's uh taken his oath of office and has had his undergone the uh just undergone training and he's gonna start at the next meeting. So that's good. Um just to mention quickly, so that will be what eight I got I got to get this number right. Is that we'll have eight appointees. Yes.

So this is a 10 member commission and a a quorum that is six of you know six because we've got 10 members. The reason I mentioned that is since we only had seven, you know, and and six is a quorum. Anytime you had just a couple of commissioners absent, we it's harder to get a quorum. And recently, for instance, we we didn't unfortunately have a quorum. But hopefully with new with more members, it'll be um we'll be better off in terms of getting a quorum. Along with that, if there's anyone listening to this in the um in the in the universe out there, actually in St. Charles County, um and you would be interested in serving on the planning zoning commission or any other border commission, you're welcome to contact the county executive's office as I know that they're always uh seeking applications for boarding commission members. That would be that would be great. On August 11th, um, county staff updated the county council on the status of the master plan. So, if you want to see that presentation, you can go online to the secmo.org, go to the county's agenda center, and you can review the video of that that presentation. Uh, let's see. And then the third thing I want to mention is that you may or may not uh know, but Rich Nekco served for 39 years with St. Charles County and retired uh as the development review division director and was a wealth of knowledge and and had technical skills in terms of engineering. He was a uh a PE for instance. And we're really going to miss uh Rich in various ways, but including his the skills that he had. But we are uh interviewing right now uh for candidates to fill that position. I wanted to let you know that we'll hope

to have that filled soon so there won't be really a gap in in service to this this commission or others as well. Okay. Anything else? No. Anybody have comments, questions? Motion to adjurnn. Motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion made second to adjurnn. All in favor say I. I. We're done. I agree.