Planning and Zoning Meeting - Regular Meeting

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All right, folks. We're going to go ahead and uh get started here. Um, welcome to the February 18th, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. At this time, I request that everyone please turn off or mute your cell phones. Also, at this time, I'd like you to please stand and join me for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. An application for a conditional use permit request will be heard during tonight's meeting and the commission will vote on the application and make a recommendation to the county council. The application will then be scheduled to be introduced before the county council at the Monday, March 9th county council meeting. Public comment for conditional use permit requests will be taken during tonight's meeting and also at the county council meeting on Monday, March 9th. Public comment on conditional use applications will not be taken at any meeting of the county council held thereafter. The following documents are introduced as a matter of record for this evening's public hearing and regular meetings of the planning and zoning commission. The uniform de unified development ordinance of St. Charles County, including the zoning maps, the year 2030 master plan for St. Charles County which includes the 2030 future land use plan map and the rules of order and procedure for the planning and zoning commission as adopted by resolution 21101. It appears that we have quorummed we have a motion to open the meeting.

So move. All in favor say I.

All right to just um to let everybody know you guys heard uh Mr. Ellis. He is uh unable to join us in person tonight so is joining uh remotely. So you'll hear him throughout the meeting. Um and just a little bit of uh lay of the land as we navigate the meeting for those who have have not been here before. Um we will uh open the application. Staff will give a report. The applicant will come up and give a report. Um at that point we will u have any questions answered and then we'll open the public comment. If you are wishing to speak, please make sure you fill out a speaker's card um and give that over to Miss Lori. Um after the public comment is over, we will close the public comment. Um we'll bring the back to the commission uh for discussion and then uh vote on the recommendation. Um seeing uh no further business, we will uh get down to um our first item on the agenda, which is a conditional use permit for 3849 highway D. This is application CUP2507 Glennon McCreary at K9 Consulting and Training LLC. This is currently zoned agricultural. Um the conditional use request is for a kennel. Um it is on 3 acres in council district number two. Staff,

this application is a request to permit a kennel to operate on an agriculturally zoned property as a conditional use. The subject property is located at 3849 Highway D and is near the intersection of Highway D and DD. The property is approximately 3 acres in size and contains one home in a chicken coupe. The homeowner wishes to operate his K-9 training business on the property in a pole barn he would construct for this purpose. The 40 foot x 60 ft pole barn would meet the placing requirements contained in the UDO and would provide the appropriate amount of parking. The applicant states he would construct the building utilizing noise mitigation techniques such as insulated building materials and sound absorbing panels. He would also reduce noise by not overstimulating the animals. The building will be climate controlled with individual feeding and watering areas for the dogs. The building m the building will be connected to the on-site septic system to handle any animal wastes generated. The property would have two 50-ft x50t fenced in yards that would allow for the dogs to have outdoor training that would be supervised by staff members at all times. The dogs would not be left outdoors overnight. The applicant has proposed up to 20 dogs be trained and housed at this location at any one time. The business would operate between the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. The applicant states it would not operate as a doggy daycare, but as a professional training facility. Public access would be through appointment only and would not be open to the general public. Unified development ordinance does require that the commission address five questions as part of the review of the conditional use permit and come to a no conclusion on each of these five questions before a recommendation to approve can pass. The first question is, would establishing, maintaining or operating the conditional use be detrimental to or endanger the

public health, safety, or general welfare? If this use is operated as described above and in and if the property follows all of the requirements of the animal control division, then staff believes there should be no danger to the public health, safety, or general welfare. The second question is would the conditional use injure the use and enjoyment of other property in the immediate vicinity for vicinity for the purposes already permitted. The potential impacts from this use to neighboring properties would be noise from the dogs, barking and dog training. The smell from animal waste and traffic to and from the facility. As this is an agriculturally zoned property, most of these impacts could occur by right on the neighboring properties if they were choose to have li if they were to choose to have livestock. All of these concerns are mostly mitigated if this facility is operated as proposed. As such, staff believes the proposed use should not enter the use and enjoyment of other properties in the immediate vicinity for the purposes already permitted. The third question is, would the conditional use enter the aesthetic and/or scenic values of the vicinity? The applicant proposes to operate the business inside of a 40 foot x 60 ft pole barn style building. This is the only construction proposed for this business. This type and and size of structure is not uncommon in this area and would fall in line with the agricultural aesthetic. As such, staff does not believe that this use would injure the aesthetic and/or scenic value of the vicinity. The fourth question is, would this conditional use substantially diminish or impair property values within the neighborhood? County staff does not have any evidence that this use would diminish or impair property values. The fifth question is, would this use impede the normal and orderly development and improve the surrounding I'm sorry, would the conditional use impede the normal and orderly development and improvement of the surrounding property for uses permitted in the zoning district. As the proposed construction for this proposed use is consistent with the type

and style of structures utilized in the agricultural district, no impediment should exist. Considering the the analysis given and the review of the required questions, staff recommends the planning and zoning commission recommend approval of this application for conditional use permit to operate a kennel with the following conditions. One, an engineered site plan must be submitted to and approved by St. Charles County Community Development Department prior to construction of the kennel. Two, a licensed wastewater designer must confirm that the proposed wastewater disposal system will meet all county and state standards. Three, all outdoor lighting on the property shall utilize full cutoff fixtures. Four, the kennel shall not begin operating until the above safety conditions have been met. Five, the kennel shall be closed to customers between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. The kennel must be operated by appointment only. Seven, all dogs must be kennled indoors overnight. Eight, no amplified sound shall be audible outside of the structures on the property. And nine, that in any case where a conditional use is not in place and active within two years from the date of granting and/or in accordance with the terms of the conditional use originally granted or subsequently amended, then without further action by the planning and zoning commission and or county council, the conditional use or authoration thereof will be null employed.

Any questions for staff? And I guess I have one because number six in here I think we have a slight typo. Yes. Okay, cool. I just wanted to make sure that we were on the same page. Yeah.

All right. Uh at this time, we'll ask the applicant to uh come forward. Uh anyone wishing to speak tonight, I will have to uh swear you in and uh say a name and uh address for the record. And uh each uh person besides in public testimony uh will have three minutes to speak. By the way, I brought um some client intake forms and um thanks. Let me swear you in real quick. Do you saw me swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, sir.

Please state your name and address for the record. Glennon Glennon McCreary, 3849 Highway D. All right, tell us all about it.

Good evening. My name is uh Glendon McCra and I thank you for your time and consideration. I'm here today to respectfully request your support for my conditional use application to operate a small kennel on my property and defiance. I'm a professional dog trainer and the sole owner of Northwind Retrievers and STL K9 Consulting and Training. My work focuses on one-on-one training, education for family pet dogs, as well as advanced retriever training, including AKC field trials. I understand that when considering an application like this, there are important questions about how a business will operate and how it may affect the surrounding community. things like noise, waste management, traffic, overall quality of life. If I were sitting where you are today, those are exactly the questions I would want answered. Before I walk through those details, I'd like to take a few minutes and introduce myself and my business. I have always loved dogs. During my time in college, I learned that a dog kennel near campus was looking for help. As a college student, it was an opportunity to earn income, but more importantly, it gave me a deeper understanding of dog behaviors and educa in the education and dedication that goes into owning and operating a kennel at the professional level. I started with the less glam less glamorous work, cleaning kennels, bathing and feeding dogs, administering medications, even assisting with puppy welping. Over time, I earned a place on the training team and eventually became responsible for the care and training of 10 or more dogs at a time. I worked at that kennel throughout my college years and gained firsthand experience in what it truly takes to run a professional kennel. Both the daily labor and the responsibility that comes with caring for dogs entrusted to me by the owners and their families. After graduating, I still had more to learn before starting my own business. I

went on to work at another retriever training kennel in Missouri where I managed and trained up to 30 dogs at a time. I continued to learn, sought mentorship from other professionals, and committed myself to ongoing education in my trade until I felt prepared to take the next step and go out on my own. The next step for me was when I began training a small group of family pet dogs and retrievers during the day while working nights in restaurants until I could make dog training my full-time profession. I have helped countless families through every stage of training from navigating the transition of bringing a new puppy home and creating a strong foundation to competition retrievers where together we have earned field trial placements, wins, achieved AKC junior, senior, and master hunt test titles and qualified dogs to compete at the AKC Derby National. This work requires long-term planning, consistency, dedication, and compliance to strict AKC standards, which reflects my ability to manage dogs respect responsibly and professionally. My family pet dog training business is personal. I work directly with my clients in their homes, developing structured training plans, not only for the dog, but the entire family. My results have been consistent. I am proud to say that my business is built entirely on quality work that led to referrals which had allowed me and my business to grow where it is today. I spent a long time searching for the right property, one that would allow me to operate responsibly and efficiently. When my per when my per current prop my current property became available, it truly felt like the right fit. It had a manageable home size, is within reasonable distance of current client, my current client base, and most importantly, it is three square acres, which aligns with St. Charles Kennel regulations. For both my business and my lifestyle, I checked every box. I share this background to let you know this work is not only my passion, but something I have been trained to do responsibly and professionally. I understand what it takes to operate a

quality kennel. from accurate recordkeeping and strict sanitation protocols to thoughtful building designs like slope floors and proper proper drainage systems to ensure effective cleaning. I also recognize the importance of more personal aspects of this work including clear client communication and being a respectful neighbor. I have done this work at every level and I take that responsibility seriously. Today my business operates primarily through inhome services. I travel to clients home homes and provide individualized education and instruction on in their natural environment depending on each family's needs. I work with both the client and their dog on obedience, public access, or behavior modification. I do not intend to allow I do intend to allow a limited number of boarding dogs, but only if those dogs are thoroughly vetted, temperamentally appropriate, and have current veterinary records and health clearances. I also train a small number of retrievers, including family hunting dogs and dogs competing in AKC field trials and hunt tests. Most dogs entering into the retriever training program will have an established relationship with my business from inhome one-on-one training. To be clear, neighboring properties should not expect to hear gunfire or gunfire simulation from my property as this is done offsite. This the the proposed kennel facility would serve as a location for both boarding and training programs and will remain small in scale with space for no more than 20 dogs. I want to be very clear this is not a large commercial boarding facility, doggy daycare or stay and play operation and that is not my goal. Services will services will remain remain focused on individualized care and professional level training. Each dog will have an individual space that follows with the Missouri Department of Agriculture and Animal Welfare standards, giving each dog plenty of room during rest periods. My standard operating hours will be 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. All drop offs and

pickups will be scheduled by appointment only. The majority of dogs enrolled in retriever training return home on weekends. This structure ensure ensures that traffic remain light, predictable, and respectful of the of the surrounding community. Dogs at the facility will follow a a structured daily routine that includes training sessions, supervised outdoor exercise, rest periods, and individual feeding. Outdoor activity will take place in secure fenced areas under supervision. Waste will be managed in accordance with all environmental and health standards. Solid waste will be collected daily and stored in sealed containers for proper disposal. Liquid waste will be directed through floor drains into a sanitary septic system. Based on my years of experience, I want you to feel confident that sanitation, disinfection, and odor control will be routine and consistent. Noise mitigation is a top priority. Dogs will be housed indoors in a fully climate controlled building. I do not intend to have indooroutdoor dog doorst beers, including existing tree lines, and will be located at least 150 ft from neighboring property lines. The building will be constructed using noise dampening materials which could include a acoustic foam panels and sealant, quiet board panels, hanging sound baffles, and insulated doors and windows. Motion sensor lights and cameras will be installed on the east, west, and north side of the building. All lights will be angled down to minimize disruption to neighboring properties and turn off before 10 p.m. unless triggered by an alarm or an emergency. At this time, there is no proposed lighting on the south side of the building to reduce driving distractions on D. This facility is designed to operate in a clean, controlled, respectful manner, supporting a limited number of dogs without without creating the activity and noise levels associated with larger commercial kennels. My goal is to provide a high level of care while

preserving the rural character of the area. In addition to training services, I am committed to improving K9 education within the local community through one-on-one lessons and educational programs for pet owners. With over 10 years of professional experience in dog training and behavior modification, I take pride in helping dogs and their owners build successful, long-lasting relationships. My intention for this kennel building is to resemble the barn style structures already common on neighboring properties and have a universal use for any future owner. The size shown on my concept plan is the maximum I would build. And the goal is for the building to blend into agricultural landscape, not stand out as a commercial space. I've included a few reference photos that I' that I've been using when speaking with builders so you can see that vision. In closing, my dogs and business are the joy of my life and a dream come true. I ask for your support to help me take the next step in my career, which allows me to responsibly grow my business I've worked hard to build over the past 10 years while responsibly while respecting the rule character that drew me to Defiance in the first place. If approved, the kennel would allow me and my business to better serve the community. Thank you for your time and thoughtful consideration. I welcome any questions you may have. I have pro I have I have provided each member of the committee with a packet containing letters of recommendation from current and former clients and a sample client intake form example building design similar to what will be proposed um of the conditional use permit. Thank you.

Any questions for the applicant? I've got a question. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Thank you, sir. At this time, we will open up the public hearing for CUP25-07. Anyone wishing to speak on this application? N

Hold on, sir. I got to swear you. Okay. Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. I do. State your name and address for this.

Jim Smith. I'm at 3840 3860 Highway Directly across from where the dog kennel is proposed. I've lived there for 52 years. They're all residential. I mean, it's all residential and they're mostly senior senior people there. We like the peace and quiet and we don't like change. If I sit on my front porch and look out this gentleman's property, what do I see? A big pole barn. That's that's not what I want to see. I like to see woods and forest, grass and trees. So, my biggest issue is trying to keep things the same. And the other issue is it's only three acres. If it was 50 acres like Thorenson's has got down down the road on Double D, I wouldn't have an issue with that. It's far enough away from everybody, not just 150 feet, but acres between the adjoining neighbors, like I said. And then the other issue is who's going to inspect this property to make sure that it is run correctly, sanitation, the amount of dogs. Maybe he said he's only going to have 20. How do we know a year or two from now he doesn't have 30 or 40, you know? So, I'd like to know who is control of this operation if it does go through. That's that's all I have to say.

Awesome. Thank you, sir. Anyone else wishing to speak? One of you guys. It doesn't matter. Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? So help me God. Please state your name and address for the record.

My name is Brad Austin at 3877 Highway D. My property wraps around his property. It's only 3 acres. Not not a lot of room there. Uh when the house was refurbished, the septic was designed for that house and that house only. uh the septic is not adequate. Uh it's just not enough room to put a kennel in that there's a draw like a bowl shaped. So if any noise, it's it's going to resonate out of that out of that draw there. And uh I just don't think he's got enough room uh from the back of my property up and the side of my property over to put a a structure there. and uh just don't want any noise, you know, barking dogs and, you know, smells. Uh that's that's my only concern. Thank you for your time. Awesome. Thank you.

Do you swallow me, swear, confirm to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth under pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I do.

Please state your name and address for the record. John Vogle, 49 Marlin Drive, Defiance, Missouri. I've got a few concerns with this conditional use permit. Uh on page one of the staff recommendation, it notes that county zoning stipulates that buildings and pens for kennels must be at least 150 ft from all property lines. According to measurements taken from the St. Charles County web map, the width of the property appears to be from east to west direction appears to be approximately 330 to 334 ft. If the kennel must be 150 ft from property lines to the west and east, a 40 foot wide building could be in violation of county zoning. So, I would urge the planning and zoning commission to confirm the size of the building and the property measurements. On page one, paragraph three of the narrative, it mentions that the facility will support field trial development. I'm familiar with field trial training activities and hunt test training activities and in many instances they involve loud vocal commands or whistles to direct the dogs during training. There can also be training tools such as blank pistols or dummy launchers to simulate gunshots. I was uh happy to hear that um no live or gunshot simulations would be taking place there on the property. However, those noises of just that the training in general uh could have an impact to surrounding properties and add to the noise inputs currently in the area. There's already substantial noise in this area from Highway D traffic on many days and on many days you hear gunfire from the August Bush shooting range. Property owners south of Highway D likely hear noise from Sorenson Kennels on clear days, which is another dog kennel approximately 3/4 of a mile southeast of this proposed kennel site. A dog kennel and training facility will only add to the existing noise pollution in the area. In the analysis section of the staff recommendation, it states that

any of the surrounding properties could maintain livestock and pets, which could potentially produce noise and odors. I would argue that a dog kennel with up to 20 dogs and the associated training activities will cause noise issues to the immediate vicinity. While it is mentioned that the kennel facility would use noise mitigation techniques, the 50 footx 50 ft outdoor fenced dog yards shown in figure A-02 on the proposal are much closer to surrounding property boundaries and do not have those noise those noise mitigation impacts included. A fenced dog yards only increase the potential for excessive noise impacts from barking dogs and training activities to nearby properties. At what point does excessive noise pollution impact surrounding properties? Based on this information, I would ask that you deny this conditional use permit. And thank you for the time.

Thank you. Do you solemnly swear and affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Ivon Dio 49 Marlin Drive. Defiance. Inconsistencies are noted between the county recommendation and the original application. These inconsistencies make it impracticable for the public to understand key details associated with the petitioner's request. In the interest of full disclosure of information relative to this petition, it is requested the following inconsistencies be addressed by the county in writing to the public. Page two, paragraph 1 of the staff recommendation mentions a 40 footx 60 ft postframe building. However, figure A2 of the concept plan shows a 32x 50t poleb barn. Page two, paragraph three of the staff re recommendation states, "The facility will operate from 6:00 am until 6 pm Monday through Friday. However, page three, recommendation number five, states, the kennel shall be closed to customers between the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. I think that was may be addressed, but that was not addressed in the materials available to the public at the time before this meeting." Page two, paragraph 1 of the original application states, "No public access will be permitted after hours without an appointment." This statement means the public will have access after hours as long as they have an appointment. This is likely in direct conflict with county recommendation number five. Page two, paragraph two of the staff recommendation analysis states the kennel will support up to 20 dogs on site at a time. However, the original application states the kennel will support around 20 dogs at a time. There is potentially a large discrepancy between up to 20 dogs and around 20 dogs.

I also have questions related to the county's formal definitions of the terms noise control and amplified sound that are used in the staff recommendation. Additionally, I have the following three questions. How does the county determine if noise control measures are providing adequate noise control? What is the maximum amount of time daily that dogs would be in the fenced yard outdoors? and what noise control measures will be in place when the dogs are in the fenced yard outdoors. If these questions are not adequately addressed before the end of this evening's meeting, I will contact the Division of Planning and Zoning staff by telephone for answers as indicated on the county website. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm or tell the truth and nothing but the truth on their pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Sam Wilson, 85 Marlin Drive, Defiance, Missouri. Uh, I've been out there 60 years and uh, sorts and kennels on a clear day. You can hear them dogs barking. That's biggest kennel out there. You can hear them dogs barking like you wouldn't believe. We got the shooting range. Bush's shooting range. That's another noise thing. Uh, uh, the entrance where he's his driveway entrance. That's a death trap. And he can even tell you how many times he's almost got hit pulling out of his driveway. So, is he going to put a new driveway in? Cuz that driveway ain't going to work. That's an accident waiting to happen. And uh uh what else? I got the property value. Our property value is going to go down because of that dog kennel. So, I don't know how they say it won't go down, but it will go down. Who wants to go out there? I've been out there 60 years. Who wants to go out there, buy my house, and listen to dogs bark? Cuz I live right down Marlin Drive, you know, right next to uh uh Austin's. But uh it's just a crying shame. Uh then you got uh what else you got that the driveway he's got? I don't know if it's on the map. It's on a curve where when you pull out, you better be getting on it or you're going to get hit by a car. So, that's all I got to say. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the

truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is Leonard Wilson. I live on 97 Marlin Drive. Um my biggest concern about this going in is the noise. I have a lake that just below Austin's. It's probably only a couple hundred feet from where the little creek's going to drain out of his. I don't want no sewage running in my lake. And anybody that's been in the country, when you got a draw or valley, the sound whistles through there and I don't want to be sitting out in my yard and have to listen to dogs bark. That's all I got. Thank you.

Anyone else wishing to speak on this application? All right, we're going to close the public hearing for CUP25-07 and bring the discussion back up here to the commission. And applicant, if you'd like to come forward, you're welcome to come forward if you got anything else to say. Unless you're good, you don't have to. Yeah, I personally think it'd be good for to you to come back up. I mean, we heard quite a few complaints from driveway to noise to fence setbacks. Um,

sure. Firearms.

You know, my uh kennel proposal is a small scale facility. Um, the one that was mentioned before is a large scale breeding um has multiple building buildings on it. I do understand and and respect the concerns. Um, most of a lot of a part of my business is managing um and and training dogs. Dogs bark when they're bored and they have no job. Um, my dogs are on u strict training plans and and working on u goals to achieve, you know, achieve their goals are not just, you know, it's not a a doggy daycare where they're sitting out in the yard barking. Um and and another part of of my job is to teach calm state of mind. Okay? So I'm not saying there you you'll never I never have a bark. It's impossible. But I will do my best and I and I continue to to mitigate the noise or or and I will always be outside um during these these things if I have to let out certain dogs with certain dogs to mitigate the noise. But um it will be on the top of my goals to be a respectful neighbor. I I I live on this property. So it is in my interest to first of all for the community, but and I don't like barking dogs either. I have no interest in having barking dogs.

Are you going to be there 24/7 to watch them? I actually have um video cameras when I'm not there. So when they're in the kennels and I will not have indooroutdoor runs. So the kennels will not be indooroutdoor. They will only be indoors when I'm not there. So there will be no barking of in there will be no dog door in and out in in in barking like that. So there when I'm not there, they will be in an enclosed building that is is is meant to mitigate any noise and not to hear anything from out outside.

Can I clarify on this? Um and this may not be a question for you on this recommendation number five. It says the kennel should be closed to customers between the hours of 6 am and 6 pm. Is that backwards? Yes. Okay. We talked about that earlier. Um and I I think that the um the the the 40 by60 as brought up the 40 by 60 is the maximum building um potential building. Uh we could do a smaller version and that's why we proposed 32 by I think it was 60 or 50. And so that's why there was a little bit of inconsistency because we're saying the maximum we could build is 40 by 60, but we could I'm open to being smaller.

Were there any particular specific things besides the driveway? The driveway was the only one I I'm actually agreeing with that. I call I call MDOT almost every month. it it's it's a it's a grownup honeysuckle honeysuckle from neighboring properties and it's he's exactly right. It's a total blind spot and I call every month to try and get it fixed and um it just it's a it's on it's a total blind spot. It's on the MDOT property. Oh, I call him every month and it Yes, ma'am. And um if he's right you can't look you you can't see. So, I I'm trying to work because I can't go and I would love to remove her honeysuckle, but I'm that's not in my jurisdiction.

Sure. I heard a lot of like discussions just concerns about having a kennel in general, but was there anything that you guys recall of specific conditions? I also can I I'm sorry. No, I was just Let me finish real fast. I'm wondering if anyone remembers specific conditions that were proposed because I'm not remembering any. Well, the the one condition was I know the one gentleman asked about this this the sewage in the going down this creek. Well, I mean you're you're going to have to hire an engineer to analyze your septic tank to make sure it can handle the flow. So, if there's sewage in the

that's a problem that irrespective of whether there's a kennel or not. So, I mean he's going to get a stamp from an engineer that certifies that the septic tank can handle it. So, I mean hopefully that alleviate that concern. I mean, it's a it's a concern, I guess, with every septic tank, but this one's being analyzed by an actual professional engineer. So, it wouldn't be my concern is my comment. I would um as as brought to my attention, I would love to have a property on 50 acres, but in in in my in where I'm at in my career, three acres is what I can afford. I would love to be on 50 acres. We all would.

I would love that. I would absolutely love that. So that but this is what I um what I can get into. Is there something maybe this for staff that would limit the number of dogs? I mean he's saying 20, but if he grows and his business successful he hires a new CU if he had because it clearly that's not on there as a we we can always put a condition. You guys can always put a condition on limiting the number of animals. So he's saying 20. So, I think we want to put that in. That's not currently in the conditions. Are you amendable to that? Could we add a condition that limited the number of animals?

Um, I I would be I'd be interested to, you know, Yes, if you would. We can can we talk about how what's your thought? I mean, three wouldn't, you know, five or 10 wouldn't allow me to really Sure. You're saying 20 right now? Yeah. You know, I'm saying a little bit less. Okay. Sure. But just it would just it would make it would need to make sense to for my business to actually Well, right now there's not even a limit to 20. So, I'm saying we could we could add a condition that said you could not have any more than 20. Oh, that's what Okay, I understand what you're saying. Yes, I would. Yeah, I didn't understand what you're saying. Sure. I I do have a question. Have you hired an engineer, an architect yet? Not yet. Um I'm going to you know that that would be

Robert. Is that is that normal? I mean, don't don't we usually have like a don't you have a site plan? I mean, I do I I did hire um Mark Holton. he was he's a a star, you know, that did my site plans and and in in my um so but um I would still need to hire, you know, do more work on that. And I know there were some concerns by one gentleman about being 150 ft by this by the property lines and that's all going to be determined once you have a survey and an engineer and and everything and and then our staff is going to make sure that whenever you do get a building and a site plan that it's going to meet that criteria. Is that correct? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. if I'm fully prepared to, you know, take the the right the right directions.

Thank you. And that is on here. Engineered site plan must be submitted and approved by the county. Right. So those items, making sure the setbacks are correct and all that are going to be handled through that site plan process. Can you explain this this firearm?

Yeah. So um as as as as as mentioned uh I'm a field I I'm I train a limited number of field trial dogs which are um competing basically for their career. So um you have family pet dogs and then you have um field trial dogs who are are competing um you know to be best dogs in in their in the retrieving game. Okay. And so my I I am conducting all retriever really I I don't do a lot of of you know my plan is not to have a lot of work on the on you know doing that that work offsite got fields that I can go to that can conduct the you know um basically there's um what he you know replication of um you know for my hunting dogs and field trial dogs you know basically attention getters you know get to get the dog to look at certain ways Um there's gunners out in the field and they have to use attention getters which are replications of um a shotgun or or something for the dog to look for. So I'm doing all that offsite.

So there will be no gun training. There will be no gun training on site. Can we put that as a condition? Well, what about amplified sound shall be audible outside of the structures? Would that wouldn't be considered amplified sound, would it? No. So you'd be okay if we put in there no gun training say no discharge of firearms? No, I'm not planning on absolutely. Yeah. I mean that seems if you're not going to do it there would seem like you'd have a problem with that condition. Yeah. I think the other concern that I heard was around the fence. Um the drawings look like absolutely you were going to have maybe an indoor outdoor like what kind of fence was that? So I'm going to have

how tall what would Yeah. um basically a sixoot fence um at the minimum. Um and it'll be two airing yards that when the dogs will go out, I'm actually planning on fencing the whole entire property in, but that'll be a much larger expense. So, I was, you know, um plan to do that at a later date. But the whole property I'm planning on fencing in, but the two proposed fencing you're talking about are the airing yards where after when we let dogs out to go the bathroom that they have a secure place to do that. Is it uh

fence? I guess I'm hearing your neighbors say they don't like the noise, but I maybe I'm not clear on what the fence is. It structured any way to reduce noise or is it just a chain link type fence? You know, you it's it's a chain link fence to just to contain dogs. Um, I'm sure it should it could count sound barriers, you know, but my goal is to is to contain the dogs with the fence. It sounds like you're not planning on having the dogs in that fenced area very often. It would be a a minimal time and then back. It would be letting the dogs out to relieve theelves

and um back in, you know, and and you know, if we need a little fulfillment, great. But it wouldn't be ours. No, they're not going to just stay outside. No. No, no. Enough to get their fulfillment and relieve themselves. It's definitely not a stay and play doggy daycare where people should you should not expect to hear barking while you're sitting out. You know, that's that's I don't want to hear barking. I'm living there. I don't like barking as well. Is this is this the appropriate time to make motions for um

We need to make a motion to amend number five to be 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. And then we would add essentially a number 10 that would have no use of gun or gun simulation simulation. And then there was a number 11 of no more than 20 dogs and then the limiting of no more than 20 dogs on site at a time. So I will make a motion to amend um the condition number five to state that it was between the hours of 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. Second. What about the other motion?

Let's make them all. Oh, we just make them all. Okay. I will also make a motion that we add condition number 10 that there will be no discharge of firearms on the property and condition number 11 that there will be a limit of no more than 20 dogs at any given time. So, have a motion to amend number five to 6 pm to 6:00 a.m. Add an amendment um I'm sorry, a recommendation and condition to have no more than 20 dogs at one time and also an 11th of making sure that there's no gun firing or gun simulation firing at any time on the property. Do we have a second? Second.

Just a question. I'm going to recommend that the uh board be clear as to what it's voting on here. Is it voting simply to amend the staff recommendations or is it voting to recommend the CUP with the recommendations of the staff including those three? We are only amending the recommendations at this time. That's fine. Thank you. Roger. Did you have something? Yeah. on the limit of 20 dogs. I think you need to clarify that it's 20 dogs uh that he does not own. That's a great question. So, do my He's asking if my dogs count. I have two dogs.

Their potential to be out there barking, too. I would say they count. It's on the property would be my opinion. I would probably view it differently. I mean, the guy's got a I mean, and you have a right to have your pets. Yeah. I don't I wouldn't Your pets aren't really part of the business. Exactly. Well, how many dogs can I have then? Well, I think that the county limits it to four. Oh, okay. Yeah. He could just say he's got 10 dogs that No, I think I think there actually are is a county limit four dogs. I think that's correct. Okay. Not in uh agricultural zoning districts outside of subdivisions. You could have, I think, any any number of dogs or cats.

Well, I I don't think that he's planning on just having them pets. Yeah, that's a good question. You leave it opening, right? What if he sells? What if we're putting this in the cup? So, I think there truly needs to be a limit. So, it's black and white for all of us, right? For his sake as well, right? All of a sudden, he turns around and wants another dog or wants this dog or whatever. And I'd say make or amend the motion to just 20 dogs that he this gentleman that's that they don't own that are not personal and business. Personal and well 20 dogs that that he doesn't own that are not owned by the land owner, right? That's my opinion, too.

I mean, it's it's clear who owns the dog, you know? It's not like it's not it's black and white. Does he own the dog or someone else own the dog? You know, I don't know if it's always that clear personally, but can you guys talk a little louder? You can't hear me. Oh, I mean, I personally think we should just do total number of dogs and that way in case somebody ever has to come out and judge, they're counting dogs. Mhm. There is no dispute. You could fudge that number in my opinion.

Well, I think that it would be a good compromise since he says he has two dogs now if we go ahead and and do how you said and say total number of dogs, but then just make it 22. 24. I I just want to cap so that way we don't have a situation down the line that there's 30 dogs and someone says, "Oh, well, 10 of them are actually my personal dogs." Dogs on the property. Yeah. So, you're amending your Yeah. So, I'm going to amend my motion that uh the condition about the dogs is a total number of dogs on the property of 22 dogs.

22 dogs. Okay. So, we have a motion to amend the recommendation and the conditions from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. on number five. Add the condition to limit the amount of dogs to 22 total dogs and a lastly the condition that states no gunfire or gun simulation discharged on the property at any time. Does that 22 should it just to clarify more say personal total which include business and personal and it's total dogs on the property. Yeah. I just think we should not leave it for gray area in the future personally. But

I would say total which includes personal and business. Well, he can own 10 dogs and he's only allowed 14 then from the business, right? So I mean I if if that makes you more comfortable I mean that's fine to for me you know total dogs including personal and business dogs. Okay. I think that's definitely our intention. Right. All right. So do we have a second? Second. Second or second. So all in favor of the three changes um to amend the recommendations as stated say I. I. I. Any objections?

Okay. So, now bringing this back with the amended recommendation for comm uh conditional use permit with the following conditions. Any other discussion or questions for the applicant or staff for that matter? All right. Uh, seeing none, I will um entertain a motion to approve CUP25-07 to include the conditions as amended. So move. Do we have a second? Second.

All right, Mr. Ellis, how do you vote? Yes. Mr. Baker, yes. Mr. Quinn, yes. Miss Bar, yes. Miss Kushner, yes.

And I vote yes. CU25-07 passes. All right, moving on to our next application. CUP25-13. This is an additional use permit for 2054 Country Club Road. This is property owners ACLJ Incorporated. Uh current zoning is R1E single family residential district. The conditional use permit is to place a private club indoor athletic club. The CUP area is 3.16 acres uh located at 2054 Country Club Road on the side of Country Club Road, 950 ft east of Mui Road in Council District 5. staff.

This is an application for a conditional use permit to operate a private club located at 2054 Country Club Road in St. Charles. The property currently contains two structures, a gymnasium and a former church building. The applicant proposes a private indoor athletic club. The county defines a private club as a building or portion of a building intended to be used as a center of informal association for a selective membership not open to the general public. The building could be used by persons for recreational and eating purposes, but not for dwelling purposes other than managerial or transient lodging. Since 1973, the county has issued conditional use permits for private clubs. Some examples of those clubs would be the Order of the Elks, the Lions Club, model airplane clubs, saddle and archery clubs, duck clubs, wine education clubs, social clubs, gun clubs, VFW posts, and an athletic club, and a German cultural club. For some context regarding the location of the subject property, it is located in an area that was developed as a mostly single family residential neighborhood in the late 1980s and into the 1990s. The majority of the surrounding neighborhoods are located within the city of St. Charles. This request is in a pocket of unincorporated land. The area is primarily developed as detached single family homes with approximately 250 homes within 1,000 ft of the subject parcel. There are churches, parks, and a golf course nearby. The neighborhood zoning is single family residential. Under the previous property owner, True Success Fellowship Church, the gym was constructed as a permissive accessory use to the church. The property also has a 48 space parking lot and a sanctuary building that was constructed in 1991. The church utilized these structures as permissive uses during the church's operation. That operation stopped in the

fall of 2025. In November of 2025, ACLJ LLC purchased this property with the intention of using the property for basketball training. The property owner submitted a resoning request to this body at the December 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting where a public hearing was held. The result of that hearing was that the applicant withdrew their resoning request. The applicant has since submitted this request for a conditional use permit for a private club. The applicant has submitted a concept plan and two narrative statements that were reviewed by staff. Staff clarified with the applicant which narrative to utilize and the one chosen is listed on the online packet in pages 17 to 25. That narrative is what staff's report is based upon. In the concept plan and selected narrative, the applicant stated that they intend on using the former church building to provide an environment for additional training. They state training will include speed work, agility training, light, weight, and cardio. The space will also be used for game and practice film review. It will also be used for banquetss or awards ceremonies or youth development activities. The gymnasium will be used to provide an environment for individual and team training. They propose operations from 3:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. Monday through Friday and 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday and Sunday. Weekday operations will consist of structured training for middle school, high school, and older student athletes with evening instructional blocks without late night activities. The the applicant indicates that there will be no alcohol sales, retail sales, no amplified sound, or on-site activity outside of business hours. They state they will intend on ha they state they intend on having on-site staff to assist with traffic management procedures during business hours. Now that the applicant submitt has been discussed, staff does want to take the opportunity here to draw the commission's attention to the section in

the staff report regarding recent zoning complaints. We have detailed staff's interactions with the property owner and the public regarding concerns on occurring on this property during this review process. Since the applicant has purchased the property, there have been many communications with the property owner, both orally and in writing, that this property may not be used for the desired use until the county had issued and closed out all the required permits for its operation. It appears the property owner has chosen to allow the business to continue to operate the unpermitted land use in spite of those notifications. Our last report of continued activity at the site was on February 12th, 2026. At least six vehicles were at the site with at least two of them idling in the parking lot. We were notified of the most recent concerns on Friday, February 13th. This notification was made after the issuance of the staff report to the commission. Now, we will move on to the staff's analysis of the unified development ordinances five questions. As a reminder, the commission must come to a no conclusion on each of these questions before a recommendation to approve the cup can pass. The first question is, would establishing, maintaining, and or operating the conditional use be detrimental to or endanger the public health, safety, or welfare? The proposed use has the potential to generate impacts on the community through increased traffic, noise generation, lighting issues, and through parking in the surrounding neighborhoods to handle their overflow parking needs. The private club, as proposed, has not provided a cap to the number of members proposed. As such, the on-site parking may be insufficient to contain club events. During the December 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting, members of the public stated that this property does use their streets as overflow parking for the property during events. When the proposed business hours or with the proposed business hours extending into the evening hours, the property has the potential to generate noise that would be disruptive to the surrounding property owners for normal usage of their properties as is already permitted in the zoning district. The lights on

the property could cause disruptions to the surrounding property owners if the site lighting was not properly shielded. When reviewing the stated concerns, the proposed club and its uses could be detrimental to the general welfare of the neighborhood. The second question is, would the conditional use injure the use and enjoyment of other property in the immediate vicinity for the purposes already permitted? This proposed use is subject to the potential negative impact stated earlier. It to understand how this use will differ from the previous use. Staff compared the previous uses as a church and a youth activity center, its hours of operation, and the levels of activity on site. Staff considers this proposed use to be a more intense use of the property with a greater chance of providing an impact to the community. The proposed use impacts could be reduced should the applicant follow the conditions placed on the development by the county council. If this property had been reszoned and was a commercial rec recreational facility, it could be indoors and outdoors and would not be subject to conditions. An additional concern staff has is to ensure that only members use the property. This concern is somewhat mitigated by requiring that membership roles and membership signin sheets are available at any time to st county staff for review. Should there be concerns about ongoing violations of the conditions of the cup, staff may have a difficult time enforcing these conditions as this club will be operating primarily late in the late afternoons, nights, and weekends. In reviewing the above factors, staff recommends find a finding that the proposed use of the property as a private club has the potential to enter the use and enjoyment of adjoining residences as the proposed use as a private club will be more frequent and used for longer hours than the previous use as a church with an accessory gym. The third question is would the conditional use enter the aesthetic and or scenic values of the vicinity? Staff notes that the property owner is not proposing any new construction or alteration to the exterior of the structures or grounds. The use should

not enter the aesthetic and or scenic values of the the vicinity. The fourth question is will the conditional use substantially diminish or impair the property values within the neighborhood? County staff has no documentation that would show the proposed use would harm would harm property values. The fifth question is would the conditional use impede the normal and orderly development and improvement of surrounding properties for us is permitted in the zoning district. The surrounding properties have been fully developed so the use would not impede development. Staff would like to remind the planning and zoning commission that they have three options when moving forward with this application. They may recommend approval with no conditions, recommend approval with conditions, or recommend denial of the application. Given the above analysis and that the gymnasium has been operating since November of 2025, seemingly without regard to county zoning regulations, the planning and zoning division is not confident that the private indoor athletic cup would adhere to any approved COP conditions and without adherence to those conditions, the cup criteria cannot be met. The division is concerned that the approval would essentially enable additional zoning violations. Considering that the planning and zoning division recommends denial of the conditional use permit for a private club. Should the planning and zoning commission desire to recommend approval with conditions, staff suggests the following conditions. One, use of the property for a private club shall substantially comply with the attached cup concept plan. Two, the private club shall be limited to an indoor athletic club. Three, in conformance with the definition of club private, use of a private club shall be limited to club members, guests of members, and staff. Four, a defined membership role shall be maintained, and all users of the facility must sign and register each day of use to support zoning compliance. Both the membership role and register must be available when requested by county staff. Five, all activity related to the private club other than parking

must occur indoors. Six, the private club shall operate only during the hours of 3:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. Monday through Friday and 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday. All outdoor lighting on the property shall be extinguished by 10:30 p.m. daily. Number eight, there shall be no parking for the facility offsite. Operation should be scaled to the 48 parking spaces now available on site. Number nine, no amplified sound shall be audible outside of the structures on the property. And number 10, in any case where a conditional use is not in place and active within two years from the date of granting and/or in accordance with the terms of the conditional use originally granted or subsequently amended, then without further action by planning and zoning and or county council, the conditional use or authorization thereof shall be null and void.

Any questions for staff? All right. Uh seeing none, I'll invite the applicant to come forward. Roger, do you need something? Say something. Could you turn up his microphone on here so we can hear him talking? Yeah. We can't hear these people. I want I got the yellow on. Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Aaron Piper, 454 Charlemagne Drive, Lake St. Louis, Missouri. Okay. I thought he was I thought he was talking. Sorry. Uh so, uh yes, we are we are seeking conditional use property for the property of 2054 Country Club Road. Um as we know, the current property was uh was a church and it had uh I guess a conditional use or auxiliary use for the bottom gym um that was built prior to us uh purchasing it. Um, we are looking to narrow that even a little bit more to only confine just basketball operations, training, individual and team use. I know there was a lot of other things that kind of were encompassed as far as what they did with the property and I don't really know how to get into that because I don't know a lot about that. I came in obviously after this fact. Um, we have we have passed the fire occupying inspection with the fire marshall and we would follow his guidelines as far as the number of of people that could be in either building at any given time. Um, so that would not be a problem. A copy of the framework that we have provided each of you um in the packet. Um, these obviously are the terms that we set forth. Um, we know that they're just our thought process and we're willing to, you know, modify those to make this work for us. Um, some important notes. All the activity obviously will be inside. There will be no outside activity. I know that was brought up last time a little bit as far as outside training. We are not having outside training for this facility. Um, there are um the the outside of the building um is 75% treelined or brush line. So there is a natural u sound as well as visual barrier. it really is only seen, you know, directly from um from Country Club Road. The rest of them do have some barrier for for the

neighborhood. Um as mentioned before, there are approximately 50 parking spots, maybe a few more. Um and how we're operating, we are not going to need any more than that. We are not going to extend out beyond beyond our parking lot based on how we have our program set up. Um because there is going to be a lot of individual training and obviously these kids are going to be most of them are going to be in that middle school high school age where most of them don't drive. Even if all of them parents took them there's not going to be enough there's plenty of parking spots for the cars that we would need. Um, and like I said before, there's not going to be large organizations like the um, you know, the Larry Hughes of the world, the I9's of the world that come in and they take over a whole whole section of of the neighborhood where that's where they would extend into those existing neighborhoods, which I can understand that would be quite a quite a burden for the neighborhood and that is not our intent. Um, the lights that we have, we do have two down lights. We have one uh light at the at the doorway for safety. Those all can be put on timers. They are on there right now just for safety because having light obviously deters, you know, bad behavior. Um, we will be enforcing a strict conduct as far as anybody that comes in and is a member of our of our club is that if anything happens with inside the club or around the neighborhood, they will be eliminated from the club uh very quickly. um when we uh obviously this these buildings were built before we purchased them and I'm not sure how much you guys know about the buildings but neither one of them have full bass neither one of them have kitchens there really not much primary residence involved in them there's not like you could go and live there without doing some major major construction so the process of what we're doing is is pretty minimal and and and as far as what it's offering the buildings there's not a lot we could do as far as residential wise even though

it is zoned I understand in the residential district. Um so obviously we're just looking for some fair way to kind of proceed so that you know that we can make this dream a real reality for a lot of people involved which I know you'll hear from some tonight. Um once again these are kids that will be using the facility. Um they're looking for just a safe place to learn, place to grow, you know, um place to be with their friends. Um, and we don't feel like this building and this operation will deter anything for property values. Having a vacant building, obviously, I think would hurt property values more than having a having a safe place for kids to to be around other kids. So, we hopefully you would consider um, you know, offering us the conditional use permit. Thank you.

Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? And I have an example of kind of one day like a day and like if you want that do you want that at this point? Sure. Okay. I have a question. Sure. Um I remember at the last hearing there was some discussion about whether the uh the parsonage uh was part of the property.

That's that's been correct. that's been corrected with the city. Um the title company made an error in 2058 was also attached to the title and that uh was not purchased under this and that has been corrected and and and and given to the staff who who owns the that Lester Lester Robinson. Okay. Can you speak to the long list of complaints? Can we get your story and why so many?

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so there was some question. Mr. Singleton had a contract with uh Lester Robinson, the True Fitness as far as you utilizing the gym space. Uh, that was continued on. We met with we had a Zoom meeting somewhere first Tuesday in in January with Mr. Price. We discussed that at that point he ceased all operations. The the cars that are up there, the five or six cars. I have a 13 and a 15year-old boy. We're using as a private I mean we're using as a private residence, you know, essentially to utilize the space and they go up and shoot around with some of their buddies and and I do not go and pick them all up. So that is those those are family cars that are are up there.

Did you generate any income during this time? Zero. I got about negative 55,000. I have I have not I have not got $1 from anybody. Have you started some of the renovation? I mean, you talked about bathrooms and are are I'm not I've been I everything was put on hold from the last meeting in November because to be quite honest, I just didn't want to keep throwing money into it if if it wasn't going to be and some of the stuff that we might need to do would need approval from the city. Then you own 100% and I own 100%. And he leases

he he's going to be the one that's going to be doing the majority of the of the training in in in the daily um workings. Is there already a lease in place there? There is a signed lease in place that hasn't been paid. We've just basically kicked it down the kicked it down the road. It was supposed to start February 1st, but what that obviously did not happen and currently he's been doing his training at an elementary school nearby.

Can you speak on the hours of operation? So to to my knowledge obviously being during the weekdays everybody works you know so we wouldn't be starting operation till 3 or 4 o'clock for individual training obvious if if you've been to it there's two there's two courts for different rims so there's going to be some individual training and some team training um the hour operations for the weekdays were projected to be between 3 and 10. um that 9 to 10:00 hour isn't used a lot, you know, just because it's not needed. Um and then on the weekends um would be starting, I believe it's on on the framework of what they what they were hoping to do. I think it was 9 to9 on the weekends.

My daughter personally practices till 10. Are you going to practice till 10:00 for your If there's If there's somebody that wants until 10, 10 is the latest time that that's when it ends. Okay. Once you get in, once you get past 10, I don't think there's anything good that can happen. It's usually older kids, you know, and I don't think that's something that would be necessarily advised, something we want to get into. Any other questions for the applicant? You mentioned no large organizations coming. Does that mean you're not having like games?

No CNR. CNR is like the biggest one in St. Louis or CYC. Those are big organizations that do a lot of games and they do games back to back to back to back where you're going to have 50, 60, 70 cars at a time. That's not that's not our business model. Um ours is ours is focused on individual and team training. And that with team training, you're talking eight to 10 maybe 12 people per team. You have two courts. So there's your maximum right there. But we're hoping that one court is going to be for individual training. So that's one-on-one with Shawn and and possibly another trainer. So what do you think the maximum number of cars would be?

Let's just let's just say that both both courts are are team. Let's say there's 12 kids. Everybody rides with their own kid, which doesn't happen either. If you've ever had a kid in sports, you carpool a lot. It's a it becomes a team effort, you know, to get all these kids to, you know, kids to events. So, maximum would be 24, you know, if you if everybody drove, you know, for those events. So, when there's complaints in the past of cars up and down the street

and and the only thing I can think of is Larry Hughes and I those are big organizations. When they come in, they come in in force and they fill up a gym with a hundred kids. So what you're basically saying is that this is a whole different operation from what was previous and that what happened previous associated with that other operation but we have to as far as because it's the same location. Exactly. Yes, ma'am. But it's a totally You're telling me that it's a totally different kind of a situation. You've only got a maximum of 24 kids at any given time.

The only thing that's that's the same is it's basketball. I mean that the that business models are two totally different things. It's one about really focusing on the individual versus focusing on how many kids can we run through and every kid's a dollar sign and it's just a membership pay a monthly fee. Yeah, it's it's a it's a membership monthly fee and then reservations will be based on on those members. Could we and that's something that that would be something that would be worked out with Sean. Could we put a condition that there would only be a certain number of cars at any given time or a certain number of I mean I can I can tell you right now if there's 48 spots that we're not going to get to 48

and that that's actually the under the recommendations um for the conditions it currently states there shall be no parking for the facility offsite operation should be scaled to the 48 parking spots now available on site. Yes sir. There's so many pages here. I'm sorry. eight line four section two way down there and then and they're not bolded like the last one was there's two buildings correct there are two buildings the bottom one is the gym uh the top yeah go ahead sir I just was curious I didn't know if you had plans for both buildings or just one

yeah the the top one and and what was mentioned with Mark and his opening was would be for speed agility doing film time you know basketball obviously has evolved quite a bit Since when I was younger, after every game, a lot of times they do a film study. They go over plays. They go over things that work, some plays that didn't work. How can we improve on things? These are really important when you're talking about an organization that is truly out for, you know, the big picture and making sure we develop these young kids. So, that's the building that's closest to Country Club Road.

Yes, ma'am. So the recommendation that we have here, it says, "Given that the gymnasium has been operating since November of 2025, seemingly without regard to county zoning regulations, y the planning and zoning division is not confident that the private indoor athletic club would would adhere to any approved CUP conditions and without adherence to conditions the CUP criteria cannot be met. Additionally, county staff is concerned that CUP approval may essentially enable additional zoning violations." So basically what they're saying is, "Hey, we feel like you've been breaking the rules. we don't really trust you to break to to follow the rules in the future. How do you answer that?

And I and I believe it might have been this gentleman. He was sitting right in the center. He I I my point blank was what what can I do with this building? And he's like, well, you can live in it. And I'm like, well, I own it, so I'm going to utilize it for my kids. So, I did do that. Okay. So, I' I'd admit to that. So, you're basically did not break the rules. I did not charge anybody for that. And I let him shoot around and let him play basketball. Okay. I didn't I didn't and they're my own kids. My kid was always there. So, um, as far as as far as before that, and that's something we discussed with Mark in the Zoom call with uh Sean and myself,

up until that January, I believe 6, the Tuesday, that is when he was he was under the assumption he was going through his previous contract and until we got all everything figured out, which we were at air. Um, and then as far as as far as after that, that's when he ceased operation. I don't know when he started with the elementary school, but it was shortly thereafter. And and the the the work that I've been and I I don't have the exact dates, but I could probably look them up because I was doing Monday and Fridays and some Thursdays, you know, whatever the kids wanted to do. I was I was game because, hey, I had an open gym, you know, and I and I wanted the kids to have something, you know. It was a really expensive gym rental. I can tell you that cuz I wasn't getting paid anything.

So, basically what we've got here is a lot of complaints, but it doesn't appear that any of these complaints have necessarily been and I understand that. I wish somebody would have, you know, just stopped in and said, "Hey, who's here?" But I know that's not that's not what you guys do, you know, and I would have been there and I would have, you know, been happy to talk to whoever and and even showed people around too because the facility question. Yes, sir. Yes sir. Uh how how do you define membership each individual or can I have a family membership which may include three

three children um have we got that have you got all that is it in this is it in the framework no yeah so I mean we can define that any different direction I think how uh Sean you know what My thoughts were and maybe Sean's maybe not the same but obviously you have teams so teams would fall under you know kind of a category of a membership which would be a different price than an individual and individual say hey I'm not part of any organization necessarily comes here but I want to get my individual training through Shawn that's a different kind of membership and I think that's how we would we would categorize so you're talking kind of like a YMCA kind of a membership

is I mean the YMCA is kind of like a private club you have to pay to be you have to pay Yeah. You know, come in and use their pool, come in, use their gym. Yeah. And then obviously if you go in and you want to participate in their basketball programs at the YMCA, you still pay additional for that, but you at least have access to the facility. So, the membership is essentially gaining access, but the membership would be good for any hours that you're open.

No, it would have to be reservation. Yeah, we're not gonna we are going to have a strict as far as we only have two courts. Those two courts have to have to be utilized for a team. We're not going to have just randoms coming in and interrupting any anybody else's team time. So, in the past you had discussed using it as an event center and some other things. Is that off the table now?

That is totally off the table. That obviously was kind of one of our ideas when we first started this when we were trying to go um commercial two C2 and I didn't think about kind of the big picture of what that could trickle into as far as you know what could happen down the road. You know with a cup obviously we want a narrower focus and our narrow focus is for training. So you're talking about two gyms essentially one gym and one because the upper one you can't really you're not going to be able to shoot up there. So you're talking about one gym for games and one gym for training. One gym for speed, agility, lightweights, things such as and that's it. Yeah. And you're talking like never more than 24 cars.

We were as far as as far as as far as any kind of regulation. I talked to the fire marshall. He was out a couple times. His his recommendation as far as for the maximum occupancy would be what we would follow. And what is that? He he thought for the gym would be 50 50 people. 50 people. Okay. And that includes if somebody came and wanted to watch their kids. So that would definitely not be more than 50 cars because No, it wouldn't be 50 cars because you got a kid. It would be two people to a car. So I mean they're still talking 25 for the gym maximum. Okay. And can you clarify one more time? I'm sure it's in here, but again, lots of pages. Yes. What are your hours of operation? So on on the weekdays um from 3 to 10 3:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. Yes, ma'am. And that's five days a week. Five days a week.

And what about on the weekends? on the weekend. Uh maximum is 9 to nine maximum. Thank you. Yes. Thought I read 8 to nine. I'm sorry. Yeah.

So I just want to clarify. So if if there's only 48 parking spots, how are you going to control the flow of traffic? Because that means you could really only have a 45minute event. Like if you're planning on cycling in people on if so if you look on if you look on the little example I gave you, there's some staggered. So on on the team schedule, what you do is you stagger. Most team sessions are going to be two hours long or an hour and a half. So what you do is you stagger the gym time. So say court one is going to be from four to four to six. Court two would be from 5 to 7. And that way you're never going to have a maximum like all 40 going at the same time. It's going to be kind of it's a slower kind of progression. And a lot of gyms do that that have two gyms. I would almost say you have to end minimum because when we go to practice, we're there 15 minutes early and then so you're going to have I just don't know how you're going to control traffic. Mhm.

You can't have you can't have your end time be 6 p.m. and your next group start at 6 p.m. have a huge overhead. And and that is certainly something that we can alter as far as in our timing and saying, "Hey, we're instead of doing twoour sessions, we're doing hour and 45 minute sessions or hour and 15 minute sessions. But there is some room on the side to do stretching and things like that to kind of do your pre-warm warm-up. And that's another opportunity for the top gym to have some stretching and things like that as well.

I mean, before we probably go to the the audience, do you feel you've addressed their issues or foresighters or anything you want to say in advance because we know we're going to get some

I know. I I mean, I think that a lot of it was last time was obviously the noise obviously was was parking was a big one. Um, you know, is is the volume of traffic. um you know, things like that. Um as far as when you're dealing with the public in any fashion, you controlling every everybody is not is impossible to do. But you if you have strict, you know, limits and and if they have bad behavior, kicking them out of a situation, people don't want to be kicked out of once they have a good gym. They want to they want to do the right things. And we're talking about young people. We're talking about most of them are going to be from the ages of 8 to 14. Um there will be some high school kids but most of them are going to be in that middle school age. But yeah, I mean if there's other questions obviously I I I heard them all last time and and and I know they're valid concerns. Um but I think with the limiting, you know, the the times that we have as well as the the model that we're doing, we should we should alleviate that a lot of those concerns. All right. Any other questions for the applicant?

I have another question. Sure. Um, when I asked about memberships and you referred to as teams, uh, how many individuals would be on a quote team? Anywhere for Well, I mean, most teams have between 8 to 12. And the reason for that is mainly for for playing time. You don't want to be on a team with more than 12. You'll never get in the game. It's reality. Is the playing multiple sports or just we doing basketball year round? We doing indoor.

The only the only two sports that we are interested in the primary one is basketball. There has been some interest with a little bit of volleyball. But same same thing would apply. There's not going to be any any any of those big tournaments like you see at the Beal Center or the things like that. That's not what we're after. All right. Any other questions? Thank you. All right. At this time, we will open up the public hearing for CUP 2513. Uh, keep in mind when you come up, I will have to swear you in and, uh, you'll be limited to 3 minutes. Um, and I'll also say, I know we got a big crowd here, so once we start hearing the same thing over and over a couple times, we understand noise is a concern and and we've noted it. Uh, so let's try to bring up some fresh ideas. So, who wants to go first?

Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under pain and penalty of perjury? Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Yes. My name is John Klene. I live at 10 Misti Hollow Court in St. Charles. It's in the Greenfield subdivision. And uh first off, I'd really like to thank staff who put together the report and so forth. And what I'd like to do, especially for some of the people that maybe haven't read it, are just highlight some things that really concern me. Uh one of because when I started reading this, I started making some of my own notes. But again, quoting from the report, the building could be used by persons for recreational eating purposes. Wow. I was here at the December meeting. We didn't hear about that. But not for dwelling purposes other than managerial or transient lodging. What does that mean? The managers can live there or people passing through. And I'm not trying to be arrogant or light lippy about that. I think that really needs that really caught my attention. And again, thank you for documenting all the many violations uh during uh January there. I mean, I think that action speaks for itself. Another part of this, reading from the report here, the applicant proposes to operate the private sector indoor athletic club from 3 to 10:00 p.m. Monday through Fridays in a residential area till 10:00. I know your you said your daughter uh plays ball or has some sports activity till 10:00. I don't know if it's in a rec in a residential neighborhood and I'm not gonna put you on the spot about that but wow in a residential neighborhood. And also during the week the operating conricture of middle school, high school and older student athletes December meeting said this was just for the kids, young kids. The implication I got it was all elementary kids and now it's expanded into adults and so forth. Wow. The applicant indicates there will be no alcoholic sales, night life activities,

or retail sales. I do not know for a private club. Hey, we're private members. Can we bring our own alcohol in? I truly don't know the definition of a private club. I we use a bad word, assume. I assume that private members can bring alcohol in. Don't know. This needs to be clarified. They intend on having on-site staff and traffic management procedures during business hours. That's a real weak word word intend. That's like assume. That should say they will in case there's problems and so forth. Well, we never promised. We intended to, but nobody could be there that night. Excuse me as I leave through here.

Sir. Sir. One at a time. One at a time. Did he get close to the microphone? We can't hear this call. Sure. You don't have microphone service.

Yep. So, um, and again, just the, uh, kind of the last page of the report here and then they elaborate so much more here on on-site child care for or youth sports clinics to cater to residential parents. Maybe convert a side room into the performance building to a play area for young kids. Um, some of the other questions I have have kind of been addressed uh regarding uh fees and so forth, but this has just really changed dramatically since the December meeting and again with the violations during January. I would have hoped they would have done something different. Also, just one other personal note. After the meeting in December, I went over and shook hands with I think his name is uh Sean Singleton, and I suggested to him that uh you know, a church location or something. And I told him even our church is relocating to a big building down by Riverport Amphitheater and maybe a location like that where they have 1,200 parking places and 230,000 square feet. They haven't opened yet, but now I'm glad I didn't give them the minister's name because of all these operating hours. And I would have been embarrassed on 10:00 during week nights and from 8:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. on Saturday and Sundays. Wow. That's all. Thank you for the time.

Thank you.

Anyone else wishing to speak? Do you saw me swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the rest.

My name is John Panulo. I live at 1733 Winding Glenn Drive. I have about three quick points uh that I'd like to make. Uh the private club is still very vague and leaves potential for use as an event place, gathering center or celebration hall. Uh the private club leaves that door opening open to repeating the p uh events from the past. Um membership who who will be the members um and how would they have access to the facility? potentially members could have access to their facility 24/7 like most gyms have now. So that would um raise the concern for music and vehicle noise being created at all hours of the of the day. Um and then the third is who's going to be accountable and responsible for the enforcement of the rules. As we've seen, there's been 16 incidents in the last eight weeks of bending the rules or not going by the rules. But as as you guys mentioned in the staff recommendation, there's not seem to be any adherence to the guidelines set forth um by the board from the December meeting. And then most importantly, we strongly oppose any pathway to potential reszoning. too much is is at stake such as the property values, neighborhood quality, and peace of mind. Thank you. Thank you.

Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

My name is Michelle Widel. I live at 1734 Winding Glenn Drive. One major concern that I have about the proposed reszoning of this property is the significant increase in traffic on an already busy thoroughfare. I personally use Country Club Road as a regular walking and running route. I also walk my dog along stretches of this road. The road itself has several dips and hills resulting in limited sight distance in several spots, including right where I turn into my own subdivision. The limited sight distance makes it very difficult to cross the road on foot. I often go where my dog wants me to go and I have to cross there. Um, also many people use this um road as a cutthrough from Zambell to Mugi. So it is already very busy with regular traffic. people that live in the area coming and going. Um it can be very difficult to turn left into subdivisions. There are three different subdivisions right there along that corridor. So my main concern is that increase in traffic making it dangerous for you know the children that are riding their bikes on the road, the people walking their dogs, people going to and fro and also turning in and out of subdivisions. Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you. We got we got two of you here. Hold. Let her go first and you can go. Is that all right? Whichever. It don't matter. Hi. Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do.

Please state your name and address for the record. Uh Sharon Beerman, 2001 Coreywood Drive. And I am I sent a letter, so I'm not going to say a whole lot except for my opposition to this is just because this is a residential area. It is, as you said, 250 homes. They're on all sides. I don't know if everybody knows it, but there's a home within probably 10 feet of this property. And her uh structure on her property has already been damaged due to a minor traffic accident on this property. So, I just can't state enough for all of us who have been in this neighborhood 30 years. It's residential. I'm not convinced. The second point, I'm not convinced of how private this club is. What are the guidelines going to be? What are the membership fees? Um, I don't know that that's all line lined up. It almost sounds like it's willy-nilly shooting from the hip. And the other thing is that the Lester still lives at the house. And I I still feel like their original request for a business um zoning, I still think that's the direction this is. The Lester is still there. They don't have any control of that, but his Mercedes limousine is on the property. There's an RV on the property. The Mercedes goes in and out. It's rented. I mean, that's a business. And then there's some confusion about that empty road that they're going to watch videos

in. Was at one point they said maybe banquetss too and then a five minutes later they're stating that it won't be used as a venue. So it and it definitely is not a soundproof building. And I stated or we all stated before, when there's music in that building, it's carrying throughout our neighborhood. So, I just I think this hunk of property is a moneymaking venture. I'm not convinced it's a private club and it's in our residential area. So, that those are my that is my opposition that I feel strongly about. Thank you.

Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth and the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Hi, my name is Brad Noak and I live at 10 Bogey Club Lane within walking distance of the facility right next to the golf course that was mentioned earlier. I previously lived directly across the street from the facility in uh in country club corners. I was the president of the homeowners association for two years. I've grown up in this area. I went to dashen. I went to Linenwood. I've played basketball since I could walk. My wife back there, Kendra and I have refereed basketball. Several kids in this room that um we've refereed. And uh I work at Boeing. And just today, we moved the defense headquarters back to St. Louis. And I say that because we're we're growing. This community needs more facilities for our youth. And a few months ago, my wife and I made the decision to have my daughter Kari. Can you say hi, Ki? She's in sixth grade. And we drive her everywhere. We drive her to Fenton three times a week for practice. We go to Illinois for games. We go to Wentzville for games. We go to West County at the Beal Center all the time. So, and I had a friend, I serve on the Lynwoods President's Council, and one of my uh President's Council colleagues has a son that plays for Coach Shawn, and she encouraged us to bring our daughter Kari to tryyous. And the fact that this facility is within walking distance of our house and being around basketball and sports, I played baseball at Lynwood. I can tell you what Shawn is doing in this operation is topnotch. The ability for him to have a structured plan that has evolved and practices have been away from the facility. The growth that I've seen in my daughter and all of her teammates that are here has been fantastic. They they video each other before the game when they're getting ready. They talk about strategy was

mentioned with the videoing in the future facility. And this is an asset to our community. It's an asset. We don't have to drive 30 minutes to practice. And it's the rules that I've seen in the facility, the structure, the discipline, the commitment that I believe with the parameters that the city staff recommended that would be in place. The facility owner and the lean would abide by that commitment. So, I understand the concerns that have been raised as someone that lives very close and had lived even closer, but I'm here to tell you this is an asset. It would raise home values because people would want to come move here more and have their daughters and sons practice in this facility that's close by and not have to look at some of these new Boeing jobs or other jobs that are coming up and say, "Hey, do I want to live in St. Charles, where I don't have as many facilities and I have to drive to the Beal Center in Chesterfield or in Fenton for practice or others or can I have this facility right here with Shawn who's an amazing trainer and has done wonders for my daughter. I strongly encourage you all to consider having this facility operate under the restrictions that city staff recommended. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, we'll do both of you guys at the same time here. All right, do you s swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes. All right, state your names and an address and we'll get started.

I am Macy McCoy and I live at 30 Wingington Court, Crown Passage Drive. My sister and I were the first people to train at that facility. If I never went there, then I wouldn't have had been playing basketball that much longer. Coach Sean is a great coach and has helped me get so much better than when I first started playing basketball. And I really want to continue playing there and getting better at my sport. He taught me that basketball wasn't just about getting better. It helps me with a healthier lifestyle, like sleeping early to have more energy and eating the right healthy foods to improve my game. This sport has also shown me how many friends I've made along the way.

My name is Chloe Thomas and my address is 2000 North Fourth Street. As a player, the gym is more than a place with weights and equipment. It's a place where I've learned how to push myself even when I feel tired or discouraged. When I walk into the gym, I know I'm there to get better, not just as an athlete, but as a person. It gives me something positive to focus on and remind me that hard work actually pays off. The gym also helps keeps me disciplined. We have to show up on time, listen and give our best effort. Those habits don't stop when practice ends. They help me in school, at home, and with my attitude in general. Without the gym, it would be harder to stay motivated and stay in a good routine. For a lot of players, this is this is the place where we can release stress in a healthy way instead of making bad choices. What really makes the gym important is how it brings our team together. It's where we encourage each other with things when things get tough and celebrate when we approve. We build trust there. We learn how to work as a team instead of just thinking about ourselves. The gym feels like a second home being with because everyone is there trying to become better together. Keeping the gym means keeping a safe space for players who need structure, support, and motivation. Taking it away wouldn't just take away equipment. It would take away a place that helps shape our character and our future. I believe our coach should keep his gym because it gives players a chance to grow, stay focused, and feel like they belong. Without it, a lot of us would lose something that truly helps us become the best versions of yourself. I love this team and I love our gym. It would be devastating to have our gym taken away from us. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. My name is Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You already know.

Eric Rudolph and I live at five Aspen Ridge Court. Sean is unlike any other coach our boys have had. My boy's 12. He is at that gym. He was at that gym and until you guys took that away where they where we're practicing in an elementary school right now. Totally different vibe. Sean cares about their character. He cares about what they're doing in life. He cares about their grades. We are not there after 10 o'clock at night. We do not make noise. We follow the rules. The people before, I don't know what they did, but you guys are all already used to that. So, we are going to follow the rules. But don't take that away from these boys and these girls. These girls, you don't want them on the streets. They could be outside on the streets playing basketball, but they have a place to go that's safe. It's calm. and somebody who has invested his time, his life in these kids. And these kids have grown significantly. And to the man in the back that talked about his daughter that lives close. Um, it is clo my I'm a nurse practitioner on my way home. I can stop there, pick my son up, and go home. But we don't all park at at that place at the same time. We do carpool. But I just wanted to say we are we as as a team, my son is on Sean's team and has been. We practiced somewhere else previously. Then we were there until we couldn't be there. And now we're somewhere else. And these boys feel comfortable in that gym. And what this man is doing for our boys is unlike any other coach I've ever seen. They're excelling. They're going to get there. And he loves A's. He loves them getting he has them show their grades. They come in, they get rewarded for that. And that's important to us as parents. So, I'm I'm just gonna stand up here and look at all of you guys to say, if this were your kid, would you want them on the streets or would you want them to be somewhere where it's safe that they could play ball and excel and get the grades that they they deserve and and the coaches that need to be there for them? Thank you.

Thank you.

Do you solemnly swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record.

Uh Sam Thomas, uh 2000 North Fourth Street. Um Coach Sean, uh that was my daughter, uh by the way, that that came up and spoke so beautifully. Um Coach Sean, um believes in all of these girls. Um I'm very close to this team because I feel like I'm I'm like halfway a coach, but not really. But um they work so hard at that gym and for them not to be in the gym is very weird uh because it takes them out the normability of everything what they've been doing. But they have shown so much grit and so much uh desire to keep going. Um myself I'm a police officer by day. Um I spent 21 and a half years in the military where I retired as a captain. Um, some of the things that I hear Sean telling these kids are such great leadership qualities that he's trying to instill in these kids about doing the right things, being on time, actually being early because they have required to to report 15 minutes early just like we had to do in the military. Uh, they have to have good grades otherwise they can't play. I mean, there's certain things I I understand like the the concerns that a lot of people have about traffic and the things that happened in the past, but I can speak for what I've seen since I've been here. I haven't seen any of those things. Um, there's rarely cars outside of the parking lot. And if you guys have any issues or any accountability, you can start with us. Uh there's me and there's another dad also who are police officers who will be at the gym on a regular basis as well. So if there's any concerns about anything like that, feel free to come to us because we will definitely be there and we will also have that responsibility as well. So I don't

really go to places or I don't really speak on other people's behalf because I don't that's not who I normally do. But I see Coach Sean and the passion that he has for these kids is like none like I ever seen before. So I am very proud to have my daughter play for him and hopefully uh we can stay in the gym and um we can make this a part of the community and I invite the community members to come in. I mean you can see what's going on. It's nothing but basketball. Nothing but basketball and getting better. That's all they do is work. Thank you.

Thank you. Do you saw me swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, sir. Please state your name and address for the record.

My name is Steve Wooten. Live at 1741 Winding Glenn Drive. basically uh country club separates my backyard and this facility. I heard the glo glowing things about the coach which raises additional concern. This club's going to get big to the gentleman who served and is a police officer. Thank you. We're talking about span of control. span of control is if I pay money to this gentleman for my son or daughter, I want them taking care of my son and daughter. I don't want them concerned about traffic. Try telling a grandma and a grandpa that they're not going to come watch their kid, their grandkid practice. I raised a kid in Scott Gallagher soccer club and I drove from Winding Glenn to Fenton, Missouri four to five times a week. I wish I could do it again tomorrow. It was a blast. That's the big thing. What's predictable is preventable. You got a single mom. It's got a nine-year-old, a six-year-old, a six-month-old in the car seat. She zips really quick into Corey Wood, parks legally. She parks legally. Okay, the nine-year-old's going to bust it. He's going to bust it across the street. How do I know this? Well, because earlier this year, I had someone drive through my fence on a straight road, country club, and park his pickup truck in my backyard. Too fast for conditions and inattention. Ask the police officer. That's 90% of every car crash. That's all I'm here for is to prevent something horrible from

happening. And that is what I predict because if he is so good, which I'm sure he is, and he's going to have an influx of people coming to him, that's what you'll have here. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. Please state your name and address for the record. Dan Beerman, 2001 Corywood Drive. Uh, Mr. Singleton, I want to I do admire you for wanting to do this.

Sir, talk to us. Talk to us.

I do understand that you're doing a great job doing yman's work. I do understand that. However, we are in the middle of a res you are completely enveloped by residential area. With that being said, I'm uh speaking tonight to express my complete disapproval of this request. This disapproval also coincides with the zoning committee's suggestion that the application be denied for the second time. This application was going to get denied in the original hearing until board members advised the applicants to withdraw their application, regroup, and attempt it at a later date. The board then gave several suggestions and options to rename the application with a different title and reapply at another time. It just so happens that board members suggested that they could call it a private club and reapply that way. I was present at that meeting and found it concerning that these board members were providing advice to the applicant. And it was at that time that a member of the zoning committee spoke up and warned the applicant not to take this as legal advice. So I was correct in my thoughts. This reapplication is the same application as the first one that was going to be denied, but with a different title of private club. If this was approved, this would not fit the criteria for a private club as it is defined by county ordinance. In my opinion, this would be open to the entire community and would be a business for the sole purpose of profit. I believe examples of a private club were already spoken and I going to say them again fraternal order of police lodges like like I used to be in I'm a retired police officer and the other

people that spoke that's a v and things like that fraternal order of police veterans of foreign war post benevolence society chapters etc. It should also be noted that the title of private club that the applicant is using is completely contrary to his own mission statement that says, and I'll quote, "To serve as the premier community center for basketball and volleyball, fostering health, friendship, and skill development in an inclusive and welcoming environment for players of every age and background, allowing availability and opportunity for the entire entire community to benefit from team and individual growth. We will strive to be an asset to the community and our youth. Private clubs aren't a community center. Every age and background does not lend credence to being a private club. Being available to the entire community does not apply to a private club. In conclusion, I would like to reiterate my disapproval of this application and of the St. Charles County Planning and Zoning Master Plan. I'd like to additionally add that according to the website, the uh the place already had an open house in December, according to the website, which was directly against they couldn't they couldn't do anything at the place. So, I'll reiterate that they violated the rules on that also. And I will also say that it is I do not have verification but they have already done the gym floor and it says team unleashed. So they've done those. They put in a driver they put in a driveway

without permission without doing anything getting it approved by uh planning and zoning or whoever does that for the county. And they redid the parking lot. No business licenses, no permits, no nothing that I know of. So why in the world would we ever think that if they do not follow the rules? Well, with that, how are they going to follow the rules that are implemented by you put stipulations here if they do A, B, C, and D? They haven't done A, B, C, and D. And I have nothing against something like this coming in somewhere. I think it's a great thing to do that for the youth. This is totally encompassed by houses. And they may think that it's not going to do anything in the property value. They may think that it's going to increase the property value. I beg to differ with that. And I do know that what Mr. Wooten said is the honest truth. That is a speedway. That is a racetrack that uh used to that they fly up and down. They're doing 50 60 70 miles an hour. Isn't that right, Mr. Wooten? Easily. So, with that being said, that is what I have to say. And I have complete disapproval of this matter. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. You saw me swear affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. I'm a pain and penalty of perry. I do. Thank you. Name and address for the record, please.

My name is Chrissy Summer. I live at 6 Williamsburg Court, St. Charles, 63303. I currently live in the subdivision right next door to where this is. Um I have submitted my comments uh via email but I just kind of wanted to touch on a few things. Um first off briefly while this proposal describes as a private club it is functioning as a commercial scale athletic training and fitness operation because it's going to be seven days a week. It's also going to have evening hours extending way past uh well up to 10 pm. This is not uh this level of intensity is not compatible with the surrounding residential neighborhood. Now, I want to be clear that my comments are not about the prior owners and they never have been or the past uses. My my comments are solely whether the current proposal meets the county's conditional use permit standards and is compatible with the surrounding residential neighborhood going forward. I will point out a cup a conditional use permit is not based on emotions or promises. It should be based on use, scale, location and compatibility. My comments are not intended. Uh my comments are not about intent. Uh they are whether this location can be reasonable accommodations to the proposed use of the cup standards. Now I do appreciate what the applicant is trying to do. I too devote a mount of my time to the community giving back to it. But it is not an appropriate location for this type or scale of use. For these reasons, I respectfully request that you follow the recommendations of the staff and deny this cup, this conditional use permit.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury?

I do. My name is Mike Summer. Live at 6 Williamsburg Court and unincorporated St. Charles County. Want to remind you once again I am not here as a county employee, but as a county resident who's lived in my home for 23 years. My subdivision is just to the east of the parcel that we're discussing this evening in unincorporated St. Charles. My subdivision has been there 45 years longer than the previous church had been there. Um, as I said before, and I'll say it again this evening, I believe Mr. Piper and Coach Shawn have a great concept. This is just not the location uh for that that business activity that they're referring to. What you have before you basically is the same applicant and tenant that you saw in December when they wanted to reszone the property as a commercial. Now it's just coming back almost the exact same proposal as a conditional use permit. When they first talked about being a private club, I was thinking, is it going to be like a bogey hills country club or is it going to be, you know, maybe like a club fitness? Uh but as you know back in December that initial request was withdrawn and the county advised them not to use uh the property since there was no reasonzoning request conditional you per use permit was not approved at that time but as mentioned earlier that has happened. Uh maybe sometimes it was for personal use but the business was still being advertised on their website. Uh, we'll skip past that since we're not talking about 208. Um, in the past they talked about maybe doing not only basketball training, but also basketball tournaments. Now, tonight they're not talking about tournaments anymore, but I want you to do some quick math with me. I grew up playing basketball. Uh, if you think about it, you probably did yourself, maybe your kids, your grandkids. There's

typically 12 players on a team. Two teams are 24 players. 24 vehicles. You probably have two additional coaches or referees for that time session. So, you're up to 26. And then either the second session or the second game starts, that's another 24 cars coming in. So, we're already up to 50 cars in a lot that only holds 48. You know, what if grandma or grandpa and uncle and aunt or where does the staff even park on a facility that we have here before us? The overflow is going to end up in the subdivision, more than likely right next door where I live. And I can tell you now, the streets are not wide enough for having parking on both sides of the street. If that would occur and a fire vehicle, an emergency vehicle will have to come through. Uh there's just not enough room without the emergency vehicle moving the cars out of the way. I want to do read to you real quick part of the plan that they submitted to the planning and zoning for the county here uh as part of their executive summary. It talks about access to the fitness building will be limited to a thousand foot radius and will be based on reservations to keep congestion to a minimum. Well, if you read that and talk about that, we know that within 1,000 ft there are only 250 parcels. So, they're very much limiting themselves uh to what is going who's going to be able to participate in their building. Now, as you notice tonight, the crowd is not as large. I think they pretty much expressed themselves of what they thought uh based on the parcel back in December. Back in December when it was going to be reszoned to commercial, all pro parcels within 1,000 ft were notified. That's 256 parcels. This time for a conditional use permit. Uh only 94 parcels uh were notified. But once again, this is request right in the middle of a residential area. uh and many have expressed their opinions

previously. So based on that and all the other recommendations tonight, I hope you also will deny the a conditional use permit as recommended by the planning and zoning staff. Thank you. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear confirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury? I do. State your name and address for the record.

Sean Singleton, uh, 1097 Prince Albert Court. Uh, first of all, I want to address the use before. I thought we had non-conforming use because I had been there since May 2025. Um, I haven't seen any complaints on paper about the stuff that they're talking about or complaining about, not traffic, noise, whatever. They're just saying we're using the building without using it. I just thought we had not use, but I talked to staff and then we moved to Mid Rivers Elementary School. Uh, so I apologize if I broke a rule like I didn't know. But to the point of the violating the um or future use of violating the rules or not following the rules, um, following the last meeting, we went back and I consulted my attorney who told me about non-conforming use. I looked at the UDO. I looked at the St. Charles website and they were like, "Well, the church is approved for youth activity, which is vague." So, they said, "That doesn't mean you can do basketball training." So, we stopped. So, once we confirmed that that was it, we stopped. But we consulted, you know, legal counsel, consulted you guys, consulted the UDO. So, it wasn't like just blindly flying by the seat of my pants and shooting at the hip. You guys told us, "Hey, we don't want this to be an event space." So, I said, "Okay, well, we don't plan on doing this anyway. We just thought we could still do it because it if the church was doing it before, like, is it a problem?" It clearly is and we don't want it because it's like we're trying to advertise to be an event space. We're just trying to be a facility for young adults and uh athletes to develop as a as you heard them talk about myself in the past u and everybody here. So it's not like they're trying to uh violate the cup. Uh which is why we even appreciate the C because it before you guys' concerns was we can't control what you do. Well, we're giving you kind of a blank check to say, "Hey, what can we do um to use the property because it was already constructed and approved before and uh despite the use of what they did before, it's not relevant to me because I I don't plan on using it that way." But u with the staggered schedules that we have for that you guys have in front of you, the three to sixish somewhere around there, seven maybe. Uh we have one-on-one trainings, we have private trainings, maybe group settings, group trainings, uh limited all my group trainings to 10, maybe 15 students. So, I mean to we're not hosting any tournaments or or games. So, I'm not sure about referees or coaches. Um, but when we did use the space, obviously it

was illegal. I didn't know. But, um, it was only what, one coach, probably like seven cars there, maybe for an hour. So, I mean, I don't I don't plan on as good as I am. I can't serve everybody. And so, I don't try to stack my schedule to make money um, as they've suggested that I'm going to do before. If we have a issue constraint, that's why I have the membership base the way that they have it. Uh, the sessions they pay for and then they have, you know, two or three practices a week, but we have both buildings. So maybe it might be staggered now. We might balloon to maybe 14 cars because we'll have two teams using like working out and then like the other two teams in practice maybe 20 cars. Like I don't most people just drop their kids off. Like they're not they trust me that much. Like they're just like, "All right, just go." And then they show up the last 5 10 minutes, pick up their kids and go. Um leaving the property is line of sight clearly on both directions. So I've never had any issues, no accidents. The parents have never had any accidents. Nowhere near close to fatal because you can see clearly both sides. U we're not blocking anything. the uh usage beforehand where they were using the property was I9 u I have since messaged them and told them they can no longer use our property uh we said you guys can't we stopped they even were scheduled to I think because they were in contract with True Success beforehand before we bought the building and they were you know breaching the line we said hey you guys got to stop you guys are going too far using too much space um and we don't have the permits approvals to do that so we stopped pretty much all activity that was already there beforehand so um I mean we've we've adhered to the uh guidelines pretty pretty fairly I think based on what I know obviously I can't plead ignorance because but I am 29 I don't know much but I do know how to read so I read the UDO read the C was like all right we have non-conforming use and my attorney was like yeah you got non-conforming use and then staff told me no you do not have non-conforming use I was like oh why not and then they were like well youth activity isn't approved so you can't do basketball type activities so I said okay and we stopped I was fully transparent I said hey we need like a week to move everything off but like I won't be here after that date so I mean that was you know right when we found out in January and the open house was just a mistake because I didn't even that only ended up being what 14 cars maybe, but it wasn't that big. I just did it because I thought that we could

continue operating the way it was before and I was excited because I just bought a gym. I mean, I'm happy like I just it just happened. So, it was a mistake. Uh like I said, wasn't intending to advertise or whatever, but my website's not going to come down. That's crazy. We still practice at Mid Rivers. I have other places to train. Like we I still have to function my team on leash. Like I can't just have a site that's just down. Um but then also to the mission statement. I think that's more of a collective thing. We can modify that. I mean, my nonprofit mission statement is pretty vague uh to serve the team, but it's not to, you know, it's not planning to be open-ended to the community. You have to have a membership. Even have to have a reservation between those time slots. I only have 45 minute slots. Uh to your point, I think you mentioned something about the 45 minutes. I cap my trainings at 45 minutes. Um that's always been the case. Even before when I was there in May, it was still 45 minutes. So, I think it was maybe an hour, but I dropped it down either way. But it was never too long and it was just me. Um and I only plan on bringing maybe one or two other coaches. And so as far as the usage goes, like I'm not trying to balloon and take over, you know, a segment of the the city like they're like they're imagining. So I mean, while I think understand the concern and future use, um, I'm just here to tell you that that's not my intention. Apologies if I offended anybody by using the space when I didn't know. I just thought I had the legal basis to do so. And my attorney said I did too, but he might have been wrong. And I I can't like, sorry, we stopped when we found out. So, you know, to that point, um, you know, Aaron was still using that with his with his sons and everything. So, but that's that's pretty much it. So, I mean, obviously approving this wouldn't be anything wrong because in fact, probably when we came in December, I had original plan to just kind of be like, oh, we thought it would just be approved to be able to use it,

not understanding that um there was a difference in what we could do or couldn't do based on the property value and residential district. Understanding that and it's just a whole new thing for for me to understand. So, operating wise, I never went over 10 people or five, whatever, one person one-on-one sessions. I never did anything more than that. Even when I was there for non-conforming use, I just did the one-on-one sessions. I had the one team. So, that was it. And then I thought we could grow and I was like, "Okay, maybe we can have two teams." And then then that's when I was like, "Okay, maybe we're maybe we're doing something wrong." So, then we moved. Um, so either way, I'm fully I'm here to just tell you that, you know, under oath, like whatever you guys say, like we we're going to adhere to. Um, it was just a miscommunication between what I thought, what my attorney thought, what's actually thought, what's written, what's provided. I thought we just had different use cases to do different things. So, apologies, but I hope you don't hold it against me and you allow us to still do what we're going to do. you know, to put the constraint on the cars or people, whatever. I mean, we have occupancy up to 50. Um, I don't even see us personally, I don't even know how to hit that number. And I'm running the business. I have no idea how to hit 50 cars on the lot. I don't even know how that would even happen because of how we do it, how people carpool, how parents get there. I I don't even see my family's that'd be crazy. I mean, we'd have to have a tournament or a game there just operationally, like just thinking about private club membership because you have to have a membership online. You have to book a slot. You can't show up if you don't have a slot. There's no like open gym times. Uh, so I I don't really know how to even hit that number, but you know, we we have the access to do it. But again, apologies formally. Sorry. And anybody else in the audience who may be offended, but

I got a question for you. Yeah. Is that is that okay? Um, so you said you're currently working at Mid Rivers Elementary School. Yeah.

If uh somehow this were to pass, would you continue to also use any local elementary schools as well or would you do everything within the confines of this particular building? everything within the confines of the building. Uh because Mid Rivers uh as you know the schools gym space is a commodity in St. Charles County. So when they try to rent um they have like school events and yeah I mean well just the the school events like great Fort Zwall district loves me. You can ask anybody over there. They loves me because they know I'm respect I'm respectful. I can take care of the place. I report any issues. I help them with stuff like they love me over there which is why I was even able to get into Mid Rivers to to begin with. Um just because the family that I know and the people that I know. Um and so it was just if we use if we get the gym we'll just use the gym. But even still, I've only put my two teams there. So, I mean, that's maybe 14 kids, maybe. I mean, our team sizes don't go more than eight. Maybe nine or 10. Maybe nine or 10 if I'm feeling froggy, but like usually not greater than that. So, I mean, just think of the times. Like I said, I don't know how we hit a concerning traffic number just based on that. Um,

so you mentioned something about tournaments. Yeah, we won't be doing that. If you did any tournaments, would you use a different space? Would you rent a gym?

It's not even part of It's not even part of my business model. I don't know how to I mean people have asked me to host leagues and stuff there but I've rejected all of those because obviously I understand the conditional use permit. I looked at the UDO and I'm like yeah this probably isn't permitted because it's still in a residential district. So I'm like I'm not going to agree to pending to do something in the future which is why I modified all the language on the website to fit the private club model of like hey we're not just letting anybody just willy-nilly use it. You kind of have to have some approvals and some type of guidance in place. I have the rules posted on the board the membership signage sheet. I mean, usually they have the online thing that we could have them sign a register when they bring their kids in. Like, I I don't know. Like I said, I don't really know how else to to minimize whatever they're talking about. Like, I get it and it sounds crazy like how we're going to be able to do this, but like that's just what I do. I just love what I do. And

I have another question for you. Um, one of the gentlemen mentioned that he did not believe that it uh followed the rules of what a private club was defined as. So, I went ahead and looked it up. Yeah.

Um, so in St. Charles County, Missouri. A private club is defined as an organization that owns, leases, or occupies a building, used exclusively for club purposes, operating solely for recreational, fraternal, social, patriotic, political, benevolent, or athletic purposes, and not for pecuniary gain. It says the um the key characteristics include exclusivity. The facility is not open to the general public, serving only members and their guests. Management operations are managed by a board of directors, executive committee, or similar body chosen by the members. Purpose, it operates for purposes such as social, fraternal, or recreational with no profit motive. Documentation, the organization must have an established bylaws or constitution. And then tax status. They often doesn't say required, but they often hold an exemption from federal income tax

under 26 USC section 1035 or 501. Um, so that would be probably like a 501c3 or C4. That's what we are. So you are a 501c3. Yep. Okay. So you're a charity organization basically. May 2020, as of March 2025, I finally registered it. Okay. So if you're a charity or a nonprofit, then I guess that would follow that you're not having a profit motive. Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. I mean I mean because you're nonprofit, so you don't have profit, right? Very much. Yeah. So um and then would you I mean would you say that you meet the rest of these qualifications?

Yeah. based on that I mean I think the par it also adds that it has to be three acres especially in res district something about three three or two acres two and a half acres something like that some acreage thing and so that's the really thing that saved us that the property was over three otherwise we would have just sold the building but I mean we're trying to do what we can to make it fit in what what we're doing but you know being nonprofit um we have a membership credit based system that we have the reservations uh we have the access controls we have the uh time slots we have the res like we we've already limited the activity and the way that it's used my group sessions are already limited to 10 maybe 20 kids. But even still again that's mostly people getting dropped off. Like I'm not Is that all new? So like when you changed it from being whatever you had it before into being a private club.

No, that was that was always there. The only thing we did was we probably minimized oursel because I think before was the event space and the like we can probably do you know small scale events. I think we were just thinking the events because we were just trying to figure out because the space was used before like you know I didn't understand historic use and but you already had a membership model so it really was already private. They were already Yeah. They they already had a credit based system even before like we it was already we're just in a building now that we you know put our name on the floor thankfully but I mean okay so let's let's keep rolling here with the yeah uh public comment session and if we have any further questions we can always call the applicant back forward. Okay. Thank you. So thank you. Appreciate it.

Anybody else wishing to speak? You solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalty of perjury. Yes.

Please state your name and address for the record. Uh Terrence McCoy, 30 30 Whittington Court, St. Charles, Missouri, 630 63303. Um like I said, my my name is Terence McCoy and one of my daughters, uh Macy spoke earlier. Um her and her sister Maya started training at this uh facility when it first opened in December of 2023. Um and it was under different leadership. Uh obviously uh the primary mission of this facility was to provide youth with a safe place to train and develop their athletic skills including teamwork and leadership while developing uh more positive self-esteem. Uh throughout the process uh throughout the two plus years that uh my kids have been training at that facility, I've seen nothing but positive interactions and development in all the youth that are trained there. While I can't speak to any of the issues that have occur that have occurred uh during the late night hours and overnight, I can say within the confines of what the facility was designed for, nothing nefarious has occurred. My kids have trained uh here for upwards of four times a week uh for several sessions ending around 8:30 or 9:00. I attend most of these sessions um while either sitting inside or or in my parking lot. I mean in the in my vehicle in the parking lot. And again, I will say that uh nothing negative has happened in those terms. I I am also a police officer um with with Sam Thomas and I have the utmost utmost respect for all of the citizens in this community. Um because this is this is what we do. We try to make sure that everybody's happy um within the confines of of their homes. Uh, I cannot think of a time again where anything has has happened. And if they if it comes to the issue of traffic control, which again, like uh Sean said, you can see uh

clear line of sight left and right when you're turning out of the parking lot. If it comes to issue with traffic control, again, uh me and Sam are up there three or four nights a week. A lot of times we're in our take-home police cars. If we need to help with traffic control at busier times, I'm sure we could possibly figure out how to help with that. Um, also, uh, again to the concerns of the residents with this being in a residential area, uh, I grew up and I played sports all over St. Louis, St. Charles, and, uh, one of the places that I played football at for the longest time, ABC and Saint an is in a residential area. I I don't know how things are zoned, but um, I know there there's a difference between business and residential, but there are baseball fields and football fields, and then there are houses across the street. Those are residents in my opinion. I don't know how many baseballs have flown and hit those houses. I know it was a change for that community and they probably weren't happy about it either, but ABC is still operating and functioning. The YMCA here in St. Charles, which my daughter's where they started playing basketball. Their houses right across the street from the baseball fields. Again, I don't know what classifies a residential area or where that stops or breaks off, but those are residences that are right there. And this these are these are outdoor activities that I'm speaking on. This is an indoor facility. The noises, the balls of people outside hooping and hollering and yelling, that's not what's happening here. All right? So, I'm just here to speak out and say I understand the concerns and change is always hard to come by. And in law enforcement world, we are so resistant and so reluctant to change. I get it. I I truly truly understand. But like a couple people have spoken about these kids and giving them the opportunity so they don't have to travel to the Bill Center or to Fenton or take them back across over in St. Louis and play in Maryland Heights. This is something in the community, something

that the community needs. On Monday, um I called the YMCA to see if their gym was open because they don't they didn't have any basketball leagues or anything like that for the youth. That gym was taken. like we are searching and just begging for p places to play. We have a facility here that's been wellkept. Um again, during the hours of operation that I've seen in the two years that it's been open, there has been nothing bad that has happened there. And again, I want to respect the the citizens that live over there and say that you all listen to their concerns. But if there's anything that we can do to help um make sure that everything stays within the the confines of what you all set forth, we would do so. All right, that's it. Thank you. Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury?

Yes, I do. State your name and address for the record.

Denise Mitchell, 2056 Lost Meadow Drive, St. Charles, Missouri, 63303. I'll be quick. I know you've had a long day. Um, this is uh not simply about whether a gym should operate at this location. It's about compatibility, compliance, and protection of the surrounding residential neighborhoods. Evening hours until 10:00 on weekdays and 9 on weekends represents a substantial increase in both frequency and intensity compared to the former church use. This proposal also presents enforcement challenges because of those hours of operation or evenings and weekends when zoning enforcement is limited. Staff has indicated that ensuring the facility operates strictly as members only would be difficult to monitor. A conditional use permit that cannot realistically be enforced is not a responsible approval. code requires that conditional uses meet clear criteria. In this case, staff has recommended denial because the criteria cannot be confidently met and the city of St. Charles agrees with a letter that they sent this afternoon to the commission. Not sure if you all read that, but the concerns that the city had was that um um they were concerned about the long-term implications of approving the CUP um being adjacent to the city and if they had to incorporate into the city at a future date that the event of the annexation, the city would inherit the impacts of an approved use without having been the approving authority and would have no authority to enforce a county issued conditional use permit. So, as a result, there is no assurance

that the current or future users would operate in a manner consistent with any imposed conditions and approval could allow for incremental expansion of the use over time, further complicating compliance and enforcement for the city. For these reasons, the city planning staff supported the county planning and zoning division's recommendation to deny this application. Um, so on behalf of the residents who live within the impacts of this decision every day, I respectfully urge you to recommend denial of the C. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else? going once. All right. This time I'd like to close the public hearing on CUP 2513. We'll bring the uh conversation back up to the commission, invite the applicant to come back forward, um answer any questions uh that we may have or any uh last minute comments. Did you get all your questions answered earlier?

Uh yeah, I mean I think so. I basically I was trying to address some of the concerns that uh some of the uh citizens had and uh one of the questions was you know whether it actually did meet the the standard of a private club and it sounds like you guys feel that it does meet what the uh what I read there. Um some of the other concerns that people had was traffic. So, I think that um there's definite reason to, you know, if it were to pass to add in a condition of a certain number of cars uh or a certain number of people 48 parking spots, correct?

And it says there should be no offsite parking. So, operation should be scaled to the 48 parking spots. And that is a condition, right? I see that here. There's a lot of there's a lot of conditions here. um and pulling out of pulling out of the parking lot there is clear visibility. I know that there are some little hills and things like that and I do understand that but you do have visibility on both directions. So it does say operations should be scaled to the 48 parking spaces. I guess I was just thinking that being a little bit more specific to say that they would never have more than a certain number of cars. Definitely a you know because there I mean that's just kind of general to say that you know you should stay within that kind of

you can put stay within the parameters of the parking spot and the fire marshall which is what we were planning on doing. So I was thinking you know if you just specifically say x number of people x number of cars that might be helpful. And what what did the fire marshall say that you could have? The fire marshall said they he said initially 50 without doing anything else. Um because with the size of the building, it didn't need fire suppression. So yeah, I mean I would in the gym. What about the other building? What's that? 30 in the 30 in the top, 50 in the gym. So you could potentially have 80. We don't have the parking 50 vehicles.

Okay. I mean I guess obviously car pooling is a and and you've heard from some of the parents. I have kids. We carpool a lot. I'm sure you guys have dealt with that in the past as well. So, I mean, I think that adding a condition that said in no in no case shall the occupancy of the building exceed 80 individuals and 100%. And in no case should the number of cars exceed 48. Without tournaments, without uh those big groups, we're not concerned at all about the number of cars that are going through there. Here's a question. If the fire marshall says that you're only that's already there, you're right. Yeah, you're right. I see that. I hear what you're saying.

I guess I'm just trying to make everything clear to everyone who's here, you know, that the concerns are being addressed. I have a question. Sure. Uh, of those 48 spaces, are any of those designated as handicap? That's a good question. There there is, uh, one in the bottom and one top. that are designated handicapped. Isn't there a percentage of handicap that have to be for the number of places? And and you might be right, ma'am. I I don't know. But we could change. Of course, we could change to the proper amount. Probably not on a single family residential. There may not be rules. I don't know.

Yeah. I I believe it's one per 25 parking spaces. So then they have So the two would be if sufficient. Okay. So, what about summer hours? I Are you planning on I don't think I heard anything around summer hours. Is that still the 3 to 9 and the 8 to nine? I see the the hours are kind of revolving around parents work. I mean, you know, unfortunately, the kids at 13 and 14 don't drive. So, I mean, we have to get them to the facility. And so I think, and I'm answering for Sean right now, but that those hours are going to stay the same throughout the summer. You think or we know? Because most places would open.

Understood. Um, their hours. As far as far as far as if that's a condition that you guys want and we could put that in for, you know, those are the hours. I'm a little confused as to why the condition is later on the weekdays than it is on the weekends. That seems a little odd. Is there a reason for that? Because the work schedule for the parents. I mean, we have to most parents work until 3 4:00 and that's when they can get their ch children to the facility, right? But I mean, it's until 1000 p.m. Monday through Friday and only until 9:00 p.m. Saturday and Sunday. Why would it be later Monday through Oh, because it doesn't start till 3.

We got a little bit more time on the weekends to be able to do what we need. And like I said, these are maximum hours. I mean, these aren't dead that said that it's going to be like humping those all that time and that's I know is a concern too that those are just potential hours. I had one too that maybe we should think about Annie had said um one of the questions and someone brought up, pardon me, was that u there was no alcohol sales on the property. Absolutely not. This is this is a gym. You should just say no alcohol on the premises and there's no food. We're not we're not making this a banquet hall. This is sports.

So yeah, we could add a we could add a condition that no food or beverages of any kind be sold on the premises and no alcohol be present on the premises. Typically typically gyms do allow you to have a a vending machine with Gatorades and waters, you know, things like that, but there will be no alcohol sales. Absolutely not. We could add. So just I would even say sales. I would just say alcohol. No, I mean or bring it in. I mean I'm not sure it's I know somebody did mention that. No, it's not that kind of it's not that kind of gym or a private Should make a motion.

Yeah. Well, I'd make a motion that we put that into the um conditions that no alcohol would be on the premises. I'll second. So have a motion and a second to add a condition that states no alcohol allowed on the premise include I would say including the parking lot and the ex and the including the parking areas. People don't tell premises would be people don't tell parking lot. Yep. Okay. So the motion was no alcohol allowed on the premise including the parking lot.

There's a motion and a second. All in favor of that amendment to the conditions say I. I. I. I. Any objections. All right. So now I've got 11 conditions. Questions. What would plan B be for you if this doesn't work out?

It's a great question. I I mean I my only option would be to try to find somebody to sell it to that would fit your guys' plan. I mean, um, I know it was approved for a church at one time. I'm not a I'm not a church. Um, I don't have the ability to do that. So, that obviously that try to sell it to back to the city. I don't I I don't know that option. We haven't crossed that bridge. Hope not to.

So, I don't know if this is a possibility, but it sounded like there were some concerns about um young people kind of loitering around the outside. Is there any way we could put a condition of no loitering? You know, I mean, obviously people have to go to and from their cars, but having a number of young folks, high schoolers hanging around outside, I could see that being a concern. If you want to put that, that's not a problem because most parents come, like I said, most of them the last five minutes, they grab their kids, they get in the car, they want to go somewhere else, too. They don't want to sit and and, you know, talk in the parking lot. What do you guys think? Yeah, I know that.

How's it enforceable is my question, right? What what is the definition of lordering? Is am I saying five minutes? Am I saying 20 minutes? Is it four people hanging out? Is it 10 people hanging out? You know what I'm saying? Like it just it's hard. And And what zoning person is going to be working at 10 p.m. to go look at it? And I I don't know. I just Yeah, I see your point. I mean, yeah, we can add it, but I just don't know how we're how would we define it, you know? Um,

there was one uh person that came up to and I wasn't sure what he was really referring to, but he mentioned that um being a member, would that allow them in and out anytime they wanted to? No, because it's it's going to be a two-step. I mean, obviously, they'd need to be a member to be in the facility, but two, then it's by reservation. Yeah. And then for you to even come in, you couldn't come in with a member and then be a guest or So, you you could be a you could be a guest, but obviously it still has to fall in the parameters of the amount of people that are allowed in the Yeah. in the building. Okay.

But most of them are going to be teams or individuals training. Yeah. And so they're going to be members. Yeah. Well, and one of them too said, you know, that the age limit seemed to be from a very young child to an adult. We've always, as far as our majority or 90% of of who he's trained in the past and continues to train are from that 8 to, you know, 13 14 is is the majority because once they get into that high school years, they get into their school teams, etc., it becomes a different animal when they get into high school. Okay. Thank you.

I have a little bit of a concern. I mean, the recommendation of the staff mentions that it's seemingly without regard to county zoning regulations, but when I read the complaints, they are just that. They are complaints. They are not necessarily documented violations. Mo and most of the mana, sorry to interrupt, but most of the violations that have quoteunquote violations have been me personally using my property, which I didn't I mean, there's no training being done. I'm just using something I own. Well, and that's and that's my point is that they're complaints, but they're not necessarily documented as actual violations. If you're using your own property for your own personal use, that's not a violation. It's just

my white truck is up there. You can come on in. say hi to me cuz that that is me up there using it. I just think that that's relevant that we have a lot of complaints but we don't necessarily know that those in fact were violations because the argument that we have here is well they've been violating the rules. We think they're going to continue to violate the rules but what we've heard here is you know an allegation basically that they are claiming that they were not violating the rules. And I mean of course of course this has not been adjudicated in a court of law. We don't know the answer to that. I mean, I don't think private personal use is a violation because it's just like me using a pool that was on my property, too. I mean, I'm not gonna tell you every time I use it. I mean,

I And I guess that's just my point is that it's it's difficult to uh Do you want to ask to say one way or the other? I Yeah, that's fine. Does the staff have comment on that? So, the documentation that we've received through complaints included videos and photography of multiple vehicles on the property. Sure. Um that included vehicles that were sitting there running. Okay. Um basically operating the way he was describing of parents waiting for kids to come out

and and so I live in Lake S. We're in the Wsville school district. A lot of them are driving 20 25 minutes for an hour and a half to shooting around. They're not going back home. So you there probably were some out running um when I was there. I can assure you of that. And those were but I can't I can't Who were those people? My my kids' friends. I mean because they're my I have a 13 and 15. They're not driving to this at this age. So you're saying it wasn't commercial use is your point? Absolutely not. When I was there there's no commercial use. Would that I mean I don't know what the rules were that they that they were supposed to not

I mean I don't know how to I don't know how to like tell the city every time I go use it. I mean that's like I don't know that I should have to do that. I mean we obviously haven't moved to the Go ahead. Roger.

I have a comment. It's Mr. Right now it's Mr. Piper's personal property. And if he wants to go shoot baskets in his own backyard, which is just happens to be located on Country Point Drive, there's there's nothing illegal, nor has he violated any of the UDO. It's it's his gym. And if he wants to invite his children and their buddies, he can. Just like he would invite them to his house to shoot baskets in the driveway. Did you have a comment on that?

Yeah, we we don't have any evidence that it was commercial activity, but it was similar activity to what a gym would be be performing. So, suspect I understand that. I mean, five to six cars could indicate that. That makes sense. Well, like Roger's point, it could be six of his family members, could be six of his friends, you know, and also six cars is not excessive traffic. No, that's causing a giant problem in the neighborhood. Correct. Now, if it were 50 cars or 25 cars, it's not six cars is not an excessive amount. So, I mean, I understand that there are complaints because

there were concerns about the previous use, but I'm not entirely sure that those complaints were actually harming the neighborhood in this particular situation. Not from after the January 6th week after that is what I'm saying because that was all personal use for me. my personal concern. Um I think a lot of people Is it Sean? Is that your Yes, sir. So, I think I think he's done a good job. I think he does a lot of great stuff in the community. I don't think nobody's probably judging his character, at least I'm personally not, and what he's doing and what he's trying to accomplish.

My concern would be 15 years from now, 20 years from now, if he decides he's done, I had a job career change at age 40. um you know he may too or maybe you two don't get along. You kick him out as a tenant. Maybe this doesn't work. Guess what? We're right here in front of you again because the continuing use permit if I believe is only issued to the people, right? It's only issued to me. Is that right? It would just be to you. Yeah. And so if anything changed with my No, hold on. No, it would go ahead.

Yeah. The conditional use permit runs with the land, meaning that it does not need to be renewed if the property changes hands. However, the condition use permit any conditions imposed as part of conditional use permit still must be followed by all future property owners in order to operate that conditional use. If the conditions um aren't workable any longer or if they the conditional use permit operator wants to expand, they would have to come back to the planning zoning commission and the county council to seek uh reapproval for those different conditions for the expansion of the operation.

So, it sounds like the conditions would need to be narrow enough that everyone would be comfortable that it couldn't be expanded to the point where it would harm the community. Well, that if you set the parameters now, I mean that they can't be expanded without another addition or change to the CUP, a new CUP. Correct. That's correct. Okay. Once once this CUP is issued, that's it's in place until we would if we ever needed to change it. You'd have to come back and do this process. Correct. I understand. As I look at the pictures here, it looks like there's u considerable vegetation around your building. um the landscaping that's around there. Yeah, the landscaping is all being redone

in the spring. Yeah, it just, you know, once again, I I think the point was that it's kind of a buffer between the Oh, the the 75% around the You know, I know it's not a 100% like you're not going to get some visibility or some noise, but it's a pretty good buffer around the 75% of the of the of the property. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, I have another comment or question, Kyle. Sure.

The um what Miss Bar read about the in the UDO uh about the definition of a private club, it implies that these private clubs are um set up as nonprofits such as an Elks Lodge, VFW, etc. Uh we've heard nothing about um the requirements that there is a a uh a nonprofit in place with all the elements of a nonprofit. Uh I say this as Mr. Piper being a landlord, Mr. Singleton had talked about uh creating his uh nonprofit, but we've had there's no we haven't heard any structure um about is there a nonpr who's a nonprofit who's running the club?

I can I can address that, Roger. Sorry to interrupt, but the definition that was quoted before as is part of the uh smokefree act, okay, definition for a private club. And the reason that's in the smokefree act uh is because private club is an exemption. So a private club you could smoke at a private club. So then they wanted to limit to they wanted to limit what is defined as a private club. So the zoning ordinance has a different definition of private club.

It does not have a requirement that it be a nonforprofit organization. It could be a for-profit or not nonforprofit. So, for instance, we have private golf clubs and we have duck clubs and all uh German cultural club that's been approved but hasn't opened yet and other types of private clubs. Elks Club. The Order of the Squirrels was another one that was approved in a not for in in a R1E zoning district. That was example. Order of the squirrels.

Yeah. But I mean it sounds like you guys are a 501c3 anyway. So

any other questions, discussion?

Do you have any closing comments? I mean, thanks for your time. I I hope everything works out. I mean, I I I know there's been some hiccups throughout this process because to be quite honest, we didn't have 100% of the information. Um, you know, as far as on our end, um, but I can I can tell you that this is going to be an asset to the the community. So, Robert, my question would be is your guys's recommendation from staff talked about struggling to adhere to some of these conditions. Can you help us understand what exactly the enforcement side of that looks like? Is that a a letter that comes out and a fine? Is that a cease operations? What? Well,

complaint driven or

Yeah, it whenever our enforcement is mostly complaint driven and we go out to confirm whether or not there actually is a violation occurring. If we do uh document that there is a violation, then by ordinance um when it's provided notice of violation that that provides for 10 days within which they have to come into uh compliance. if they don't contact us within those 10 days or come into compliance with those 10 days because admittedly sometimes it takes longer to come into compliance to 10 days. But as long as we can work out a plan for bringing into compliance within that period um then uh we don't have to request that a ticket be issued. If there is no compliance, then we can um ask the county council's office to issue a ticket and at which time it would go to municipal court and then the um the property owner would be responsible for showing up municipal court and um and the the judge would be there and they would go from there. Once it's a municipal court, it's out of the hands of county staff in terms of zoning enforcement. That's basically the the process that takes place.

Would there ever be a situation whereby the conditional use permit could be revoked based on repeated violations?

Um, not that I'm aware of. I mean, we have not we've never done that before. Um I I believe that we could request that a injunction be placed that we that circuit court place an injunction on uses but that's pretty rare because uh usually the uses are not such that it's a um life safety hazard. It's not some sort of an immediate situation. Typically it's uh when I talking about going to court this is municipal court. it's a u misdemeanor violation that's at stake in terms of zoning violations.

So, for example, if you know, it sounds like traffic is the number one concern. So, let's say that they had their their parking lot full and there was cars up and down the streets. I mean, at that point, would the ticket be issued to the people parking on the streets? Would the ticket be issued to the property owner? What would be the enforcement to Because technically, I mean, that's probably legal parking. You probably can park on the streets, but it is affecting the neighborhood. So, at what point, what enforcement would there be for that?

Well, the parking on the streets would be enforced by the jurisdiction that controls that segment of the street, and that's the city of St. Charles. Um, this particular property is an incorporated county, but the vast majority of this area is the city of St. Charles. So, it depends on whether or not the city of St. Charles adopted an ordinance for no parking on on one or both sides of the street. That's what I'm saying. I mean, if it's legal to park on the street, if you like if you're living in a residential area and you have your guests here because you're having a Christmas party or whatever and it's legal for them to park, I'm not sure that we can say it's not legal for people to park if they're going to this particular venue.

I don't know that that's really enforceable. Yeah, typically we just we don't get into the on street parking as a zoning violation just because there's there's jurisdictional questions and whether or not it's the police enforcement. It's it's on street parking is a police enforcement action. But I mean at that at that point you would have too many people for fire code if you had that many cars. So then that would be enforced by the fire department, by you who would in the building. Yeah. I mean, if they had that many cars, they'd have more people in the building than were allowed. So, who would enforce that?

If there's too many people in the building, that sounds like it could potentially be a violation for the uh local fire district. Okay. And aside from the maximum number of people per the the fire code or the fire marshals determination, there could be a separate limitation based on zoning. And admittedly, that's uh trickier just because we'd have to go out visit the property and bas basically do a head count for the number of people in a in a building for a zoning violation, right?

But if it was a continual thing, I mean, if it was constant that there were tons of cars, I mean, then and it was all the time, then it wouldn't be that hard to just go out and do a hand count on any given day if it was all the time, right? Usually vi violations are you you document a violation and that same violation is still occurring right later. So you know typically these things are going to be on a weekend I would imagine would be a big event and then on Monday that violation's gone. I hear what you're saying.

So that would be very difficult to enforce I believe. Now you you said there's never going to be tournaments or anything like that. We are not doing tournaments. Okay. No. Yeah. Frankly, um this use is a little bit different than some other private clubs because the intended user users are like 8 to 14 year olds and their parents. So, it's different than a like a necessarily a social club where everyone's adults and coming and socializing. That's a different sort of private club.

So, just just because of the the nature of who the intended users are, I think the it's just a little bit different than some of those other clubs. I do two questions for staff. So my understanding is that you all were recommending for us basically not to approve it because you are not confident that the athletic club would adhere to approved CPU conditions and without adherence to those conditions the CPU criteria cannot be met. Do you still feel the same way after hearing um that does

I would say that because we have no way to verify the compliance with um you know with whether he's saying that his usage was personal or was it commercial we don't have any way to define that. Um without knowing that I I don't think I would change my opinion. Okay. And then the second sentence, county staff is concerned that the CPU approval may essentially enable additional zoning violations. I just want to make sure I'm clear on the additional Yeah.

zoning violations. Just make sure I I didn't miss something. What specifically are were we are we referring to with that? that that really could be um you know continued commercial use of the property without you know appropriate authorizations. It could be um excessive parking. It could be um any number of things. Any number of zoning ordinance violations. They got 20 people up there which is all fine but it's actually for a birthday party. Well, that's not what this is all about. But how the heck do you enforce that when you drive by and you see 20 cars? 20 cars is 20 cars, right? You know, a hard time.

Also, is it problem? Yep. It's 20 cars. Yep. Not really changing the effect on, right? All right. Any other questions, concerns, discussion? Are we ready to call this to question? If not, I will seek a motion for approval for CUP25-13.

That would be with the recommendations including the amended um 11th recommendation that we put in there or criteria. So, we would be voting to add these 10. Correct. We would be saying we we want these guys to move forward with these 10 conditions. Yes. Well, the 11 condition 11 because we added one. True.

Well, somebody asked a motion. So, I'll motion. Okay. So we have a motion on the table to approve CUP 2513 with the conditions in the staff report along with R1 additional. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. All right. Miss Kushner, how you vote? Yes. Miss Bar, how you vote? Yes. Mr. Quinn, how do you vote? No. Mr. Baker, no. Mr. Ellis,

no. And I am no. So that is a two to four loss. All right. Does this get right at the council? Doesn't, right? I'm sorry. Does this get right at the council? Yeah, it still does. I do want to just mention,

right? Yeah. So, this will be on the county council meeting on Monday, March 9th, um for their approval or denial, obviously. All right. Uh no more uh action items, no more tabled items. Moves us to approval of the minutes from the January 21st, 2026 meeting. Do we have a motion to approve those? Motion to approve. have a motion and a second to approve January 21 minutes as presented. All in favor say I. I. Any objections? All right. Uh, see no objections. We'll move on to planning and zoning division updates.

I don't have any updates tonight given the late hour meeting. All right. See no other business uh come before us. We'll seek a motion to adjurnn. Yes. Motion to adjurnn. We got a motion and Roger seconded it. All in favor of adjournment say I. I. All right. All right. We'll see you guys in a month.