City Council - Regular Meeting
The City Council approved several grants for animal care, elder employment, and casino impact mitigation, alongside a resolution supporting the Springfield Central Cultural District. Discussions also advanced on ordinances for door-to-door sales, food truck regulations, and a youth commission, while a resolution on traffic safety cameras was sent to committee. A contentious item regarding the New North Citizens Council was recalled and referred to the Finance Subcommittee.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- City Council
- Meeting Type
- City Council
- Location
- Springfield, MA
- Meeting Date
- September 8, 2026
Transcript
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How about now? Yeah. You're the man, George. Sorry about the technical difficulties. Let's start that over. Welcome everybody to Springfield City Hall. We are gonna be starting our public speak out. And today we have 10 speakers. Each speaker will have three minutes to talk to us and then we'll go from there. So first speaker we have is Elizabeth Ogilvie. Is Elizabeth on? All right, we'll come back to Ms. Ogilvie. Second speaker we have registered is Ms. Mary Johnson. Welcome, Ms. Johnson. Yeah, you got to turn the little icon, there you go.
It's on, wonderful. Thank you, Mr. Vice President Delgado, thank you. Good evening. My name is Attorney Mary Johnson. I'm a resident of Springfield. And, of course, another school year has started. And while this week has been a little bit bumpy, I'm not here to talk about the cyber attacks, although shout out to everyone working so hard on that. all throughout this weekend and today. Across the city, students are trying to get to school on time, whether it be by bus, walking, being dropped off by car, by bicycle. At Washington Street School in Forest Park, staff and families are working very hard to do just that, but the roadways around Washington Street School are working against them. In a Pioneer Valley Planning Commission study released just this past month, it's right here, the issues of getting to Washington Street School safely are documented in detail with photographs, drone images, numbered of parked cars, numbers of vulnerable pedestrians. It's a thorough and extensive study. Now, school-aged children are crossing Washington Street outside of crosswalks, across two lanes of traffic, and parked cars on both sides. Those parked cars are also all over the surrounding streets of Itondale Street, Meredith Street, Eldridge Street. And now all of this congestion makes it very difficult for local residents who have to struggle with this on a weekly basis, residents who live near a Springfield school, should feel proud to be near some of the greatest students and teachers in our Commonwealth, not frustrated that they have to contend with congestion two times a day between September and June. I've spoken to some of these residents, and they recognize that the real issue here is student safety, but we shouldn't wait until a tragedy happens to fix this. What we need and what is outlined in this study is a parking lane painted on Washington Street and bike lanes painted on Washington Street. Page 25 of the report, which I'll send around to all of the counselors, has a great picture of what this would look like. A parking lane on the south side closest to the school would allow families to park and drop their kids off safely without the kids having to cross the busy two lanes of Washington Street. It would also mean that through traffic can flow more smoothly and safely. And it would mean that the young children who do have to cross Washington Street with guardians get to school being more easily seen without parked cars on both sides. There are also a few dozen cyclists who drop off during drop off and pick up times every day. And bike lanes between the sidewalk and the parked cars on the south side would make these children much safer as well. There are also several other long-term and short-term projects outlined in this really excellent study. Let's not wait for a tragedy to happen before we take action. Let's take action now. Get safe parking and bike lanes on Washington Street. Thank you.
Thank you, Mrs. Johnson. All right.
May I make a comment?
Go ahead, Council Walsh.
Mary, the way that that's usually done and can be done is through the Traffic Commission. So I think it would be appropriate if you and the people who are affected by this contact the Traffic Commission and appear for their next meeting. That's usually where it starts, and then it would come to us.
Thank you so much.
All right. Thank you, Councilor Walsh. Next speaker we have on here is Erica Cruz. Ms. Erica Cruz. All right. Moving on to the next one. Our next speaker, Mr. Steven Howard.
Thank you, Mr. VP. Evening, everyone. Recently, Holyoke voted against a data center being put up in their community, so I don't think it will be long before they try to establish a data center here in Springfield. So I'm gonna make two connections. When we hear the word gentrification, we pity luxury apartments and high-priced coffee shops designed to attract tourism and high-salary tech careers, usually leaving long-term residents out of the mix. Data centers do not usually create permanent living wages nor career opportunities for local residents as promoted for employment challenge communities. Data centers create an average of 500 to 1,500 positions, usually for out-of-state specialized workers during construction. However, data centers only create 30 to 50 temporary or low-wage local positions, such as security guards. Governments shower these tech giants with huge tax breaks while raising property taxes and increasing utility rates for all residents to subsidize who are usually priced out of their homes. Developers buy these homes, acres of land, and occupied buildings, which decreases potential... affordable housing opportunities. Developers target struggling homeowners offering to buy historically designated homes at unbelievable prices, enticing especially fixed-income residents to sell. When attempting to relocate to desired communities, these individuals find that they can't afford to move. Utilities spend millions overhauling grid infrastructure. Data center grids capacity tightens, then data center expenditures are passed on to local residents electric rates, which spike by an average of 15% to 30% annually. A single data center facility consumes 1 million gallons to 5 million gallons of water a day, lowering reservoir tables and drying up local wells, thereby creating water shortages and water price increases. These millions of gallons of toxic waste water, which are used to cool these data centers, are dumped into local waterways, causing pollution that destroys aquatic ecosystems, especially for those living downstream, such as Connecticut, where some of these very high-tech contractors who are imported to build these data centers end up contributing to polluting their own water and ecosystem, which their communities depend on. To address these public health contaminated runoffs, local municipalities increase public water and sewer rates by 10 to 15% on top of the additional increase annually. Data centers generate continuous fan noise and airborne toxic particles emissions caused by massive backup diesel generators in places like Springfield, which was named the number one asthma capital in the nation by the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America from 2018 to 2019, and currently ranks 12th nationwide. Data centers add heavy airborne industrial pollutants, increase asthma attacks, cardiovascular illness, and increases long-term cancer risk. Nationwide, public resistance is increasing. More communities are filing lawsuits, and states like our neighbor, New York, have enacted moratoriums to halt new construction while assessing the potential damages and risk and health risk. Without very strict local zoning laws, water mandates, and financial corporate accountability, our beloved city of Springfield may be next on line to be paying for the price for these toxic centers if and when they are built here for generations to come. Mr. VP, thank you. Counselors, thank you everyone. Thanks for listening to me. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Howard.
All right, next speaker we have on our list is Mrs. Rhonda Latney. Ms. Latney. All right, move on. Next speaker is Kirsten Helmer. Kirsten Helmer.
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Thank you. So good evening. My name is Kirsten Helmer. I live in Ward 2, and this statement is also endorsed by Rise Up Western Mass Indivisible, of which I am a group member. First, elections. I thank Clerk Oyola-Lopez, who answered nine of the 21 questions I submitted this morning. I was wrong about the dropbox and the early voting sites. She corrected me. But honestly, her answer surfaced something worse. My son mailed his voter registration postmarked August 21st, one day before the deadline. It reached City Hall on September 4th, three days after the primary. So 14 days in the mail inside our city. On primary day, he went to his polling place and asked for a provisional ballot and he was not given one. He was told to go to city hall. Now chapter 54, section 76c says that he was entitled to a provisional ballot right there at his own precinct. And my son asked, he was sent away. His postmark was timely and a provisional ballot is exactly the mechanism for a case like this, but he never got to cast one. And so I'm asking how many Springfield voters were turned away like this on September 1st? What will happen on November 3rd? Will every poll worker be retrained before November 3rd? And that same night, I tried to collect end-of-day numbers in Ward 2, precincts A through C. One printed the receipt on the door. In the second, workers would not let me photograph it, and the warden didn't know how to announce the numbers. In the third, the workers were simply gone. So three precincts, three answers. And I'm asking, what will the election office do to better train every poll worker to one standard before the November elections. And then second, surveillance cameras reporting this August found Springfield police among at least 10 Western Mass Departments using flock cameras. When in Midland, Texas police searched thousands of flock networks nationwide, including Holyoke's. The reason they entered was to assist ICE. So on the record, Who signed these contracts? What do they cost? Out of what budget? How long is the data kept? Who has access? And is it shared out of state? Is any city office monitoring people at protests? I have filed three public records requests and I'm looking forward to getting the answer to all of the questions I posed there. And I'm asking this council to cancel these camera contracts. Thank you.
Thank you, Mrs. Homer. All right. Next speaker we have, sorry if I'm messing up your first name, is it Kira Holmes? Kira Holmes? Kyra? All right. Next speaker we have on is Miss Denise Hudson, Indian Orchard Conservation. Denise? Denise? All right, next speaker we have is Ms. Christina Beauregard regarding the Bass Pond.
Hello, City Council. My name is Christina Beauregard and I am the co-president of the Bass Pond Club located in 16 acres in Springfield. I am here on behalf of the Bass Pond Club, the Paddle Club, the surrounding neighbors and community members who use and love bass ponds in regards to the Bass Pond Fountain Annihilation Project. For those of you who are not familiar with Bass Pond, Bass Pond is a 12 acre pond located in 16 acres. It is 60% of privately owned tax paying owners and the remainder of the pond, the remainder 40% is owned by the city of Springfield. The pond's also used by community organizations and programs such as Camp Wilder and Emma's Place. Over the past few years, the pond has really been struggling with algae and cyanobacteria, which if you are not familiar with cyanobacteria, it is incredibly harmful bacteria that puts all of our families at risk and all of our Springfield residents that utilize the pond. at risk. There's a lot to be done in this pond, but for right now we are very excited and very grateful to be working with the City of Springfield as well as with our local civic association, all of the abutting families that live on the pond as well as the membership for both of the local clubs that reside on the ponds to be able to get this project underway. Bass Pond Club is very happy to be able to donate the $3,000. Oh, it's actually a little more than that. I don't have the actual number. $3,000. 847, yeah, to contribute with the additional funds that are being provided by all of our other community members and civic associations. So we do want to just jump in and say thank you so much for that consideration. and just to let everyone know that our community really has done everything to just be a part of this solution. This pond means a lot to a lot of people. I can just speak for our club and the paddle club who's been around for 70 and 90 years. We provide just safe, good, old-fashioned fun for the families of 16 acres, and we want to make sure that this club and this pond is here for years to come. And I know I will be doing everything to make sure that that happens. So thank you so much for your consideration in this project.
Thank you, Ms. Beauregard. And the last speaker I have listed on here is Ms. Abigail, I'm going to butcher the last name, Michalak? Is there Abigail? All right. I will go back towards the names before. I don't see Elizabeth Ogilvy. Not online. Erica Cruz. Rhonda Latney. Kira Holmes. Denise Hudson. And Ms. Abigail Michalak. All right. Well, that is the conclusion of the public speak out. Council will go into a nine minute recess. Thank you.
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All right, perfect. All right, good evening, everyone. I hope everybody enjoyed their Labor Day weekend. Welcome to the Springfield City Council Chambers. Here we go again with the audio. Excuse me one second. George, what was the... Getting the feedback. Twice in a row. I think we're good.
I think I solved it on my own. Thank you, George. All right, sorry about that folks, technical difficulties. So welcome to the Springfield City Council Chambers. This is our regular meeting of the Springfield City Council. What else? So we're gonna call this meeting into order. All right, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll?
Councillor Santanello. Present. Present, Councillor Martin. Absent, Councillor Perez. Present. Present, Councillor Brown. Absent, Councillor Govan. Present. Present, Councillor Walsh. Present. Present, Councillor Hurst.
Present.
Present, Councillor Davila. Present. Present, Councillor Fenton.
Present.
Present, Councillor Whitfield. absent councillor president Oh president Councillor click Bruce president president councillor Edwards president president councillor Delgado president Can we get um president councillor Martin?
President thank you very much. If you're able to can you please stand for a moment of silence? I Thank you, and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. First item, are there any reports of committee? Councilor Davila.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Good evening to everybody. The Environmental Committee met on August 4th, and present was myself, Mr. Frank Ryan, Dennis Caputo, Jay LaTorre. We assume was the City Forester, Alex Sherman, Councilor Govan, and Attorney Lachey. On this meeting, we will continue to have a discussion on the Woodland Ordinance. At the time, we made some revisions to the Woodland Ordinance. including the result of a field study evaluating how the proposed ordinance could be applied to both small and large wood parcels. The law department indicated the summary document was comprehensive and will be used to prepare a draft ordinance for commission for committee review. It is my hope, Mr. Vice President, that within the next two weeks I'm going to have a subsequent meeting and by the By the end of the year, for sure, we're going to have some sort of ordinance for the consideration of the entire body. We met again, Mr. Vice President, on August 3rd at 4.45. I was in person. Attorney Shea, Counselor Jerry Martin was also attending. Corey Duran was a constituent, the press, and John Magus. Virtually was Mike McCloskey, Hailey Thomas from the News, Tom McCarthy, Keith O'Connor, Mike Jacob, Councilor Sally Govan, Councilor Walsh, and Steve Dissoulet. This was a discussion on illegal dumping. This came about as a result of the Orleans situation a couple of months ago back in the summer. We review enforcement practices, communications among city departments and the city's fine structure for legal dumping and code violations. Department representatives outline the roles of court enforcement, housing, public works, and the law department in addressing violations and pursuing compliance. We discussed enforcement and challenges involving repeat offenders, which we do have quite a few here in the city. And I must say also, Mr. Vice President, as well, we do have quite a few repeat offenders from outside the city as well. We talked about the impact of absentee property owners here in the city and the unpaid fines that still remain out there. The committee members request additional information on illegal dumping, fines, and collection dates. Sorry, it keeps hitting the microphone. And the committee agreed to continue reviewing the city enforcement process and schedule a follow-up meeting to examine potential improvement further. I also intend, Mr. Vice President, to hold a meeting on this so that we can have one comprehensive approach to legal dumping and good communication throughout the city because this is an issue that has been going on for far too long. And I also have to say that we made contact with the mayor, Mayor Sarnock, Chair, Councilor Maria, and myself. We met with the mayor, and the mayor is fully on board and extremely supportive on these efforts. That's my report. Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you, Councilor Davila. Any other reports? Councilor Caban?
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. We had a finance committee meeting on July 27th. President were myself, Council Perez, and Councilor Whitfield. We discussed the finance agenda items for the meeting that day, and we reviewed the May revenue and expenditure report. And there was no deliberation, not that much deliberation. Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you. Councilor Martin.
THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS OF PUBLIC SAFETY OVER THE SUMMER. ONE WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE A GENERAL UPDATE IN REGARDS TO JUST LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY. I WAS JOINED IN PERSON WITH COUNSELOR DAVILA, CAPTAIN BRIAN Bellaviv, can't pronounce last name, excuse me, Dave Robillette, Sergeant Dave Robillette, Sergeant Daniel Johnson, Erica Swallows, and then Nazir Islam. AND VIRTUALLY WE WERE JOINED BY COUNSELOR BROWN, COUNCIL PRESIDENT WHITFIELD, ERICA CRUZ AND SHIRLEY. IT WAS A REALLY INFORMATIVE MEETING ABOUT DATA COLLECTION, INFORMATION AND JUST GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATES AND HOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ON A DOWNWARD TICK THE LAST FEW YEARS IN TERMS OF GUN VIOLENCE AND HOMICIDE AND SPRINGFIELD HAS BECOME A LITTLE SAFER THESE LAST FEW YEARS. A LOT SAFER ACCORDING TO THE STATS. Then I had a public safety meeting in regards to Vibra Hospital. As we know earlier, this year there's been fires, people breaking in, so on. I was joined by President Whitfield, Counselor Brown, Attorney Shea, Jorge Perez, And, yeah, just talked about, you know, with the law department, you know, what are some exercises to ensure that property owners can maintain the property and that they're staying true to the city of Springfield. And then last week, there was a joint meeting with Councilor Santanello in the Health and Human Services about the ban of Kratom, how there's a new statewide ban. It's now scheduled a Schedule 1 drug ban. But the state, for some reason, said that they were not allowed to confiscate it off store shelves, but it is banned. So we're hoping to have a follow-up meeting on that as well as the Vibra Hospital. So with that, I'm done.
Thank you, Councilor Martin. Any other reports from my colleagues?
Mr. President?
Councilor Santanello?
Yeah, I just want to follow up on that joint meeting that I had with Councilor Martin. I'm kind of stunned. that it's a class one in the same class as heroin. And yet we were instructed, uh, our, our, uh, health and human services director was instructed not to confiscate. Um, and it's also going to be in effect for one year and that's going to be revisited after a year. So we're going to have a followup meeting, uh, the two committees in about two weeks. Um, and, uh, we're going to be calling in, um, all these officials and find out where we're headed with this. Because how can you not confiscate a drug that now is in the same class as heroin? And I wanna find out what the penalties might be if you are caught down the road with this, either dealing it or taking it, what have you. So we'll have a meeting in two weeks and address these issues that we all have in committee meeting. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Santonello. Are there any other reports? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll on acceptance of the reports?
On acceptance, Councillor Santanello.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown. Absent, Councillor Govan.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Bruce.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes. Reports are accepted. Madam Clerk. Can we, for the zone change referral, amending zoning articles two, four, five, seven, nine, we're just reading them into the record. This has been referred to planning and there's no vote necessary at the moment, so. Can we get with the first item, Madam Clerk?
The first item is the July revenue versus expenditure report.
Mr. Pat Burns, welcome.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Tonight you have the July revenue versus expenditure report. This represents the first month of fiscal year 2027. As you can see, our expenditures are outpacing our revenue by $84.1 million. The driving factor behind this is the city made their annual pension appropriation payment on July 1st as dictated by our funding schedule. That payment totaled $116.5 million, of which $80.6 million was on the city side and $35.9 million was on the school side.
Perfect. Any questions or comments from my colleagues? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll? Acceptance of the report?
You have Counselor... Excuse me.
Counselor Whitfield.
I'm sorry, Councilor Santanello raised his hand.
Yeah. I just have a question for Pat on the future increases in interest rates, how that impacts the pension fund. If, in fact, the interest rates go up, how is that going to impact the future payments and appropriations for that fund?
The city has adopted, or actually the Retirement Board adopted a funding schedule back in April which assumes a 7% interest effective rate or a discount rate. If we exceed that interest rate, which fortunately we have been, that would have a beneficial effect on future payments. Payments wouldn't have to increase at such a high rate. Right now, they're increasing at 9.2%. This would allow us to reduce that. Then on the other side, unfortunately, if the interest rate doesn't reach that 7%, that could result in future higher payments with a larger percentage increase.
Thank you, Pat.
Can I piggyback off of that question, Mr. President?
Go ahead, Councilor Whitfield. You're a little low.
I don't know if on our end. Hold on. Let me see. Is that any better?
Yes.
Okay. I had to turn it up. First, I want to apologize for not being in person. I had a minor surgery. So thank you, Councillor Delgado, for being able to step in and preside over the meeting. Pat, you said we had some of an increase over the past few years. How many years?
The funding schedule that's been adopted by the board for the last several years has a 9.2% increase. We recently... adopted a new funding schedule, which will begin in fiscal year 2028, and that is an 8% increase. So we were able to knock down the increase.
Oh, that's great. Is this the same funding schedule that was scheduled to pay up the pension so that we're whole in the pension?
Yes, the funding schedule that was adopted has full funding in fiscal year 2034.
2034, yeah, that's what I was looking for. Thank you, Pat. You're welcome.
Thank you, President Whitfield, and I hope that recovery is going great for you.
As great as can be expected.
All right, well, we're all sending best wishes. All right, any other questions on the expenditures report? Madam Clerk, can we call the roll?
An acceptance counselor, Santanello. Yes, yes, Councilor Martin. Yes, yes, Councilor Perez. Yes, yes, Councilor Brown. Absent, Councilor Govan. Yes, yes, Councilor Walsh. Yes, yes, Councilor Hurst. Yes, yes, Councilor Davila. Yes, yes, Councilor Fenton. Yes, yes, Councilor Whitfield. Yes, yes, Councilor Click Bruce. Yes, yes, Councilor Edwards.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes, item passes. If there are no objections, Madam Clerk, items two and three, can we take those together since they're under the threshold?
On approval of item two, which is FY27 libraries cash donation, $15, and item three is the Bass Pond Club aeration project donation in the amount of $3,847. Councillor Santanello.
Yes.
Yes, Councilor Martin.
Yes.
Yes, Councilor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councilor Brown. Absent, Councilor Walsh.
Yes.
Yes, Councilor Hurst.
Oh, I didn't vote.
Yes. Yes, Councilor Govan.
Yes.
Yes, Councilor Hurst. My apologies, Councilor Govan. Councilor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councilor Fenton. yes yes counselor delgado yes my apologies counselor whitfield that's okay yes yes counselor click bruce yes yes counselor edwards yes yes counselor delgado again yes thank you yes item passes or both items pass madam clerk can we take item number four Item 4 is FY27 TJO grant increase no match required in the amount of $100,000. All right.
Do we have anybody speaking on the TJO grant? Yes.
Yep, good evening. My name is Heather Kaline. I'm the director at TJO. This particular grant is our yearly grant from the Foundation for TJO Animals. It supports funding, it supports salaries for our veterinary staff, as well as extraordinary veterinary care, lab imaging, x-rays, medications, extraordinary surgery, and anything else that animals might need medically in our care.
Thank you, Heather. Any questions, comments from my colleagues? Hearing none, can we call the roll on item number four?
On approval, Councillor Santanello.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Martin. Yes. Yes, Councillor Perez.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Walsh.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Dabula. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Proof.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes. Item passes. Madam Clerk, item number five, please.
Item five is a TJO FY27 grant, no match required, in the amount of $225,000.
So our additional grant this year is meant to support a veterinary initiative with the MSPCA. As you may remember, we haven't had a full-time veterinarian on staff in two and a half years, which has a very big impact on operations and continuity of care and our ability to help animals in the community. So the foundation has helped to provide money so we can partner with the MSPCA to provide veterinary oversight. And beginning in October, we will have full-time veterinary coverage.
All right. Any questions or comments from my colleagues? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on number five?
On acceptance, Councillor Centinello.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown. Absent, Councillor Govan.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. I have raised my hand. I just wanted to say great job, Heather, and thank you for securing that funding because two and a half years is a long time without a veterinarian.
You're telling me. Thank you.
Yes, Madam Clerk, yes.
Thank you, yes. Councillor Clique-Bruce. Yes. Yes, Councillor Edwards. Yes. Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes, item passes. And my apologies, President Winfield, I didn't see the hand come up, so I'm gonna do a better job looking in this screen. Madam Clerk, can we call item number six?
Item six is an FY27 CSEP grant in-kind match required in the amount of $490,523. How you doing, Commissioner?
I am well, and how are you? Very well.
Good evening, Councillors and Mr. Vice President. This is our senior aid grant. Our senior aid grant is funded through a federal program and we administer it at the Department of Elder Affairs. It provides elder or older adults with employment opportunities so that they have the option of gaining some new skills. We currently have 24 participants in the program. We can fund up to 34 and so this is a program that Elder Affairs has had for a good number of years, and we're always excited to assist our elders.
Awesome. Any questions from my colleagues? Make sure I look on TV land.
Councillor Martin. Thank you, Vice President Delgado. I just want to ask for your apologies, Commissioner. I don't think I noted you in my report earlier. So I want to say thank you for the hard work that you do. It is very much appreciated by this body and the work that Mr. Goodman does. He does a great job for our elders. So I don't know if you hired him, but you picked a great gentleman. And thank you for your hard work.
Thank you very much for that compliment, and yes, Mr. Goodman does an excellent job, so thank you for saying that.
Thank you, Councilor Martin. Anyone else? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item number six?
On acceptance, Councilor Santanello.
Yes.
Yes, Councilor Martin.
Yes, Councilor Perez. Yes. Yes. Counselor Brown absent. Counselor Govan. Yes. Yes. Counselor Walsh. Yes. Yes. Counselor Hurst.
Yes. Counselor Davila.
Yes. Counselor Fenton.
Yes. Counselor Whitfield.
Yes. Counselor Click-Bruce.
Yes. Counselor Edwards.
Yes. Counselor Delgado.
Yes. More or less sufficient. Madam Clerk, item number seven.
Item 7 is FY27 Municipal Community Mitigation Fund, no match required, in the amount of $765,803.05. How you doing, Mr. Connors?
I've been neglecting to tell people name and address for the record, so can you please start with that?
Well, I think you know my address, but it's not far from you. 274 Springfield Street, Brian Connors, Economic Development Office. This grant is the Community Mitigation Fund under the Mass Gaming Commission. So this is for casino impacts. We apply in partnership with multiple departments in the city for this funding on an annual basis. This year the funding is in the amount of $765,000, and we'll fund projects in economic development, in the construction of the new parking garage on Willow Street, as well as projects in the health department for gambling and gaming harm, and with the police department for traffic mitigation and overtime expenses related to casino impacts. The commissioner, as you've seen, is here, as well as Lieutenant Elliott from the police department, if there are any questions on those projects.
Thank you, Mr. Connors. Oh, you were quick. Counselor Santanello. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. How serious is the... senior gambling in the city of Springfield, in the greater Springfield area. How bad is that problem? And is MGM kicking any money into this too?
I can answer the second part. I don't know if Commissioner wants to answer the elder impacts on casino gaming. The fund, the Mass Gaming Community Mitigation Fund is entirely funded by casino, the casino fees that they put into the fund. So the answer is yes, MGM does contribute.
In what amount?
I can get that to you. I don't know offhand. It's a formula based on the taxation on gaming.
And the second part is how serious is the problem with seniors?
Thank you for the question, Councilor Santanello. The Department of Health and Human Services does have a problem gambling coordinator. It is her job to work with residents in the city, youth, and elders around problem gambling. And yes, we have witnessed elders who are challenged by problem gambling, and we have programs and information and a hotline that's available to hopefully mitigate that challenge.
Thank you.
Councilor Santanello, I can't give you an exact number if that's what you were looking for, so I apologize for that. I just wanted you to know that we do do prevention and intervention with elders as well as you, so thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
President Whitfield?
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Brian, Willow Street parking garage, you said?
Is that open to the public?
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that last part.
Is that open to the public?
It just started construction, so it will be a public parking garage, yes, when it's complete.
A paid public parking garage?
Correct.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you. Any other questions? Councilor Govan, and followed by Councilor Walsh.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I know we also had a finance committee earlier today where we reviewed these items. And Brian if I remember correctly this Money is to be used for around MGM Yeah, the funding the grant applications each have to show an impact from the casino Okay, and so the police is going to use it Around MGM just like the parking garage. I know Commissioner COLTON HARRIS USES THAT MONEY FOR GAMBLING IMPACT, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. WE'RE ACTUALLY USING SOME MONEY THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE ACTUALLY GAVE US FOR YOUTH GAMBLING PREVENTION, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND I THINK VERY EFFECTIVE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR APPLYING FOR THE GRANT, FOR GETTING THE GRANT. THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT.
THANK YOU. COUNSELOR GOVAN, COUNSELOR WALSH.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I would just like to ask Brian about the amount of the grant, and is it more or less than you usually get, or is it the same?
That's an excellent point, Counselor. It is much less than usual. So the Community Mitigation Fund had been getting phased out. due to the state budget over the last couple of years. So this was supposed to be the last year. However, I guess by our surprise of it, it was included in this year's budget. So it will be coming back, which we're very happy about. It's done a lot of good here. But this is, I would say this is about a third, a third of what we usually get.
Well, that's a big difference. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Walsh. Councillor Davila.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Good evening, Mr. Connors. I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly. Did you say this was supposed to be phased out? I know you said this is one-third of what we usually get. When you say phased out, are we expecting this to end anytime soon?
Yeah, so it was the fund had collected a certain amount of money at the state level. And the last couple of years, rather than putting the funding directly that was being generated by the casinos back into the fund, it was being put into the state budget. So the Gaming Commission was working off of funds it had remaining, and this was the last year of those funds. But again, it has been put back into the budget, so we are expecting to be able to apply next year as well.
So we're expecting to get some money back?
But we don't know when this is going to dry up?
We don't know at this point, yeah.
What kind of plan B and C are we creating to fill the gap in between, if you can speak to that?
To fill a gap for?
The money.
Yeah, I mean, these are, I mean, we will have to, There are certainly identified impacts, casino harm, certainly the police impacts are things that if we don't find money through this program, those impacts don't go away. So the city would need to address those in another way.
All right. Thank you, Mr. Connors. Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you, Councillor Davila. Anyone else? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item number seven?
On approval, Councillor Santanello.
Yes, Councillor Martin. Yes. Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh.
Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Klick-Bruce.
Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes, grant passes. Madam Clerk, please call on item number eight.
Item eight is FY27 HOPWA grant, no match required in the amount of $827,432. Thank you. How you doing, Jerry? Good.
Can you give your name and address for the record, please?
Good evening. Jerry McCafferty, Director of Housing 114 Francis Street.
Thank you.
This grant is a housing opportunity for persons with AIDS. It's a federal entitlement grant. The city of Springfield receives it on behalf of Hamden, Hampshire, and Franklin counties. It funds two main areas. One, it's housing funding for persons with AIDS, but one piece of it is prevention. So it's short-term rental, mortgage, or utility payments. And then the other piece is ongoing tenant rental support. This grant funds New North Citizens Council and A Positive Place, which is a program of Cooley Dickinson Hospital, to provide these services. One change to this grant is this has been an entitlement grant that has come to the city, but because the formula has changed, it's now going to the state, but the state is passing the entire amount on to the city, so we're getting the same amount of money, but there's another step involved in getting it.
All right. Thank you, Ms. McCafferty. Any questions or comments? Councillor Hurst?
Can you tell me a little bit more about what this grant is being used for?
And who's it going to again?
Yes. There's two... subrecipients, New North Citizens Council, and A Positive Place, which is a program of Cooley Dickinson Hospital. There are two components. One is it funds ongoing rental assistance for persons with AIDS. The concept is that by giving people stable housing, they're more likely to engage with healthcare and have ongoing medication. So it supports 30-something people who get their disability pays their rent every month. There's some supportive services, there's a case manager that works with them as well. The second piece is it funds people who are at risk of eviction, foreclosure, or utility shutoffs, and it makes short-term payments to prevent those things from happening and keep someone stable in their housing. Again, it's targeted to people who have HIV or AIDS.
And how much is going to each organization?
I actually don't have that off the top of my head right now. I apologize.
OK. And how do they apply for this money through the city?
We release requests for proposals once every three years, and they apply for it. I will say over the last 15 years, there have been three organizations that have applied, the two that I listed, and then River Valley Counseling Center. This year, River Valley Counseling Center decided They were merged with another agency, and they decided they didn't want the funding anymore, and that funding has instead gone to New North Citizens Council.
Okay, if you could give me a breakdown of those numbers, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I would be happy to. I also, during the finance committee meeting today, Councilor Whitfield, President Whitfield asked about an annual report. There is an annual report that goes to HUD, and we just submitted the annual report, so I will also share that. It shows exactly where the funds were spent last year, and then I'll give you the numbers for this upcoming year.
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor. Madam President Whitfield, your hand is up.
I was going to say that I asked Jerry for those numbers, but I wanted to ask when the next round of RFPs are scheduled?
Because of the change to the formula and the change that's happening, we are not certain if we will be doing a request for proposals next year. The state may decide to do that themselves and seek subrecipients. This was, as I said, this was Because of sort of a change from HUD, change from Congress and HUD, it was sort of last minute at the end of last year. We worked to continue the existing services, but the state has indicated they may they will have their own, they will have the funding for the entire state, and they may do a request for proposals themselves next year. If they do not, if they continue to give it all to us, we would typically do a request for proposals in the early spring, late winter, early spring, the same time we do community development block grant, emergency solutions grant, and those other HUD entitlement grants.
But would it be 2027? Because you said every three years.
So this is the last of the years that we know what will happen. And after this, so this is the year that goes through June 30th of 2028, 27, I'm sorry. After this, it's in the state's hands to make a decision how they will handle it. And they haven't told us yet.
Understood. What is the... How many years have these, um, two organizations been awarded? Is the Hooley Dickinson a new one?
No. Uh, it's been three organizations the entire time I have been at the city. So, uh, 20 or so years, it has been three organizations. This year, River Valley Counseling Center stopped existing, essentially, so they went away. Cooley-Dickinson, just so you know, the idea is because this grant serves all the way up to Franklin County, so while New North serves Hamden County, Cooley-Dickinson serves Hamden, Hampshire, and Franklin Counties.
Okay, so it was all three over to 15.
And River Valley Counseling Center, just so I was also in Hamden County. So the money that had been going to River Valley has gone to New North.
Gotcha. Thank you.
Thank you. Councilor Walsh?
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I'm okay with the grant, but I wanted to take a minute to recognize Jerry and her staff for all the hard work they've been doing, gathering housing data, having seminars and meetings all across the city. I hope it's been successful. And you have so many charts. I hope you're going to be able to condense it all one sheet. so we can get an idea of what's happening with all the research that you've done. Thanks for all your hard work.
Thank you, Councilor Walsh. There is a draft in the works, and I expect there'll be a plan released within the next month.
Awesome. Thank you for that. Any other comments from my colleagues?
Just one more, Jerry. I sent the email. The mayor responded that you or Tim would be getting back to me, so I'm just waiting on that.
Thanks for the reminder.
Thank you. All right, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item number eight?
On acceptance, Councilor Santanello.
Yes, Councilor Martin. Awake. Yes. Councilor Perez. Recuse. Recuse. Councilor Brown. Absent. Councilor Govan.
Yes, Councilor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councilor Hurst.
No, Councillor Davila?
Yes, Councillor Fenton?
Yes, Councillor Whitfield? Yes. Yes, Councillor Klick-Bruce?
Yes, Councillor Edwards?
Yes, Councillor Delgado?
Yes. Item number eight passes. Madam Clerk, item number nine, please.
Item 9 is a 2026 RAP funds, no match required in the amount of $1,176,843.41. Awesome. Name and address for the record, sir? I'm the deputy director of operations and maintenance at the DPW.
Address is 218 Arcadia Boulevard in Springfield.
So what we have before you today is the 2026 RAP funds in the amount of $1,176,843.41. The RAP funding is better known as the Winter Recovery Assistance Program. It's a $100 million program that's administered by the Massachusetts Department of Transportation. The first $80 million is determined by a locally owned lane mile formula, very similar to how we are determined how much we get through our Chapter 90 funding. So that's where that dollar amount comes from. The other $20 million that's a part of that program is a part of an application process. And we put an application in for that as well. Currently, we're still in the process of determining the scope of work for the amount of funding that we're here to accept. And by doing that, we're analyzing all the 311 pothole complaints that have come through since December 1st. So we're really trying to identify areas based on that data. Just some that come to mind that we've You know, at the beginning, at the end of the winter season, we've kind of, before that we knew the funding was coming, we've kind of pivoted our road program. So we made some tweaks, you know, Sumner Ave extension and Allen Street extension from Harkness and Bradley were a couple, was a road that we knew that needed to be taken care of. Parker Street from... uh north branch parkway to boston road so we've kind of pivoted our chapter 90 funding that we had in place for fy 26 um so we're looking at um you know what we're going to do with this uh funding here before you today they could answer any uh questions any counselors have thank you mr mignot counselor martin followed by counselor davila
I just want to take a moment to reiterate what I had spoken with you earlier, Mr. Mineo, and say thank you so much, all the hard work he does. In DPW, he's been my go-to guy, solved so many issues on a personal constituent basis, so impressed. If I was the mayor, I'd give him a raise. That's just me. Thank you, Councillor Martin.
Councillor Davila.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President, Mr. Minio. Thank you for joining us and for your presentation. Can you give me a little bit more details? I know you say that the money is used in two parts, basically, but can you tell me more about winter? What does that look like?
So pretty much the money that we're here to accept is just for, you know, to restore some roads. It goes into our general Chapter 90 funding. The thing to note about the RAP money is that it actually has an expiration date of June 30th, 2027. So I want to say that we had a $4.2 million road program that we just started. And at the same time, we actually made known that we were receiving this additional funding. The thought process from the director is that we would spend this initial, you know, $1,176,843.41 up front, and we'll earmark the same amount from our, you know, the Chapter 90 we have for FY26, just so we can avoid, you know, getting close to that expiration date.
Right. Mr. Minio, but I'm still not clear. What are you going to use it for during winter? What's that? You did say winter, right?
Yes, so it's the winter.
So what are you going to use it for during winter? That's what I'm looking for.
Yeah, the money is to restore roads that were damaged from the winter of 25 to 26. So, I mean, in the winter, we'll have our general DPW operations with salt, sand, potholes. It's really not meant to be used for winter. It's to restore roads that were damaged from the last winter season.
To restore, okay, okay. So does that mean we're gonna be seeing a more active winter pothole patches? I think it's called cold patches, maybe?
That's standard operation. We do that every year. It's in our budget annually for that. What actually you're going to see is I think we had a little over $6 million that was awarded by the state through our original FY26 Chapter 90. With this extra million plus dollars, we're in $7 million worth of work. Our estimated $6 million bid that went out for our FY26 road program came in at $4.2 million. So it came in really low. So we actually have a lot of extra money to make a lot of additional improvements to the roads in Springfield.
Right, right, right. And so I realize that, Mr. Minio, and I know that a lot of times this is chasing on tail with winter and the salt and the potholes. But it is my hope that we can figure something out to... prevent the potholes to be as severe by the time spring comes around. This year, people were up in uproar with the potholes. I know in my own district, Sumner Avenue, that's going to be done with the X project. We're going to have a brand shiny street. but that's like two years away still. And so I don't run DPW, I don't pretend to know everything about DPW, but I can tell you what I have observed, what I experienced, and what my constituents are telling me and my colleagues. I will indulge you, my good sir, and beg of you to see if you guys can come up with a better solution with the Paul Hall situation. And I know this money is not necessarily used for that, but I'm sure you guys can be very creative accordingly within the frames of the law. Other than that, I joined my colleague, Councilman Martin. You guys do a great work. And thank you for everything you do, Mr. Medio. Thank you. Yeah, no problem.
And just to let you know, I think one section of roadway that we're looking at, too, is the eastbound lane on Sumner Ave from Long Hill up until the X limit. So that would be done, I would say, this year. You know, in regards to the potholes, it's kind of like you're chasing your own tail. I think we had 1700 plus that came from December 1st, the middle of May. You know, we're constantly looking at the data, but we do the best we can to make sure that they get filled.
Thank you, Mr. Munoz. Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you, Councilor Davila. Any other comments from my colleagues? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item number nine?
On item nine, Councillor Santanello. Councillor Santanello? Away, Councillor Martin. Yes. Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Bruce. Yes. Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes. Grant passes.
Yeah, I'd like to be recorded as yes, please. Thank you.
Yes, Councillor Santanello.
Yes. Grant passes. Councillor Walsh, were you going to? We're all done with the grants. Your microphone.
When we're done with the grants, I'd like to take item 16 out of order with no objection.
Okay.
Thank you.
Any objection to taking item 16 out of order? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, can you call item 16?
Item 16 is a resolution supporting the creation and sustaining of the Springfield Central Cultural District.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President, and Karen Finn is here from the organization, and I'd like to ask her to come to the podium because she's much more knowledgeable about what this resolution is for and how important it is.
Name and address for the record.
Yes, Karen Finn, and we're located at 127 State Street.
And before you start explaining this, in order for the Spreak Mill Cultural Center to have designation, they have to have a resolution that's passed by the entire city council. It's a state requirement and they need our support tonight. But if you would kind of go through some of the important reasons why we need to do this, it would be appreciated.
Yes, so thank you for having Callie and myself here tonight. We're excited, the Springfield Central Cultural District was formed in 2014, and so 12 years old this year, which is exciting. We are one of 54 cultural districts throughout Massachusetts. We're the only cultural district that is a 501c3 and does not fall under the purview of the municipality, which allows us to fundraise for monies that are available to nonprofits. And so this past year, for instance, and we have just installed six huge sound sculptures in Tower Square Park. If you have not played them, please go play them. We celebrated the nonprofit's 10th anniversary. We held in Tower Square, we did a pop-up civic space where we hosted community-led initiatives. There were 50, no, 73 in a 54-open day span, showing the need, integrating arts and cultural activities, our artists, into issues, civic issues, that are important to our residents. We also have the privilege of working with places like the health department and their GARI project, which is gambling mitigation, and they used art to do that, tobacco cessation projects, hiring artists, paying them for their work, tell public health messaging to our residents. And so it's important work. A lot of what we do is visible. Even more of what we do is invisible because we're conveners, we're a membership organization, and we're connectors. We also did artists at work program where we were able to hire for a year through a grant for artists to be paid with benefits for a year and we embedded them in social justice organizations around Springfield. So we really appreciate this support. It allows us to maintain designation so we can continue to do the work.
Thank you. Any questions from my colleagues?
I'd like to acknowledge that I am a member of the Springfield Cultural Committee, so I'm honored to bring this forward. They do a great job. What I like is how much they encourage young artists and get young people started with a stipend for their artwork involved. So I think all of us have probably been to some of their events and have an idea of how important culture is for the city. and for business, so I'm gonna make a motion that we support the application for state designation that the Springfield Cultural Council needs.
Motion made by Councilor Walsh.
Second.
I think I heard Councilor Govan first.
Second.
What is the motion on the floor?
OH, I'M SORRY.
I TURNED MY MIC OFF BECAUSE IT WAS A THING. WE GOT TO INCREASE THE MICROPHONE TO FOUR. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNSELOR WALSH TO ACCEPT THIS SECONDED BY COUNSELOR GOVON. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? COUNSELOR PEREZ.
You know what? You will be having my support 100%. Being a wife of an artist, one of the most important things that you have said tonight is the benefits. As I know, it's hard when you're an artist and you don't qualify in any qualifications when it comes to the benefits. And since the music school to now, all this, and I know your collaboration in the community is very transparent. You connect with the most difficult children, and I know that for a fact personally, and you change their life around when it comes to the cultural. So you have my support 100%, thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Perez.
Thank you, Councilor Perez.
Anyone else on the motion?
All right. Madam Clerk, can you call the roll on item number 16?
Councillor Santanello.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez.
Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield.
Just for clarification, are we just approving the resolution and not a motion right now?
It's supporting the creation of the and sustaining of the Springfield Central Cultural District. That's the motion? That's the motion. Correct, Councillor Walsh? Yes.
Okay, so this isn't a resolution we're looking at?
It's a resolution.
It is a resolution. Okay, because I got confused by the motion part, but yes. Yes.
Counselor, click this.
Yes, Counselor Edwards.
Yes, Counselor Delgado.
Yes, resolution passes. Madam Clerk, can we go back to item number 10?
Item 10 is for bills of prior year, various departments for $810.22.
Name and address for the record.
Kathy Bono, Ocala Road, Springfield. Counselors, I'm asking your approval to pay three prior year bills with current year funds. They are from the assessor's department and two are from the TJO. All right.
Any questions or comments from counsel? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll on item number 10?
On approval, Councillor Santanello.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez.
Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Quick-Bruce. Yes. Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes, Councillor Degasso.
Yes. Item passes. Number 11, Madam Clerk.
The next item is the cable peg access account Comcast franchise fee in the amount of $116,466.08.
Me again. This is the money the city receives from Comcast as the quarterly payment. These funds are then turned over to Focus Springfield.
Any questions? Councilor Davila.
Thank you, Ms. Vice President. Kathy, good to see you. Kathy, I just keep looking at these numbers. Are these numbers continuing to shrink?
But how much did we shrink from last time?
From fiscal 25 to 26, the number went down 56,000, and we're anticipating it to keep going down.
Is this a four times a year allocation, or is it one time allocation a year?
This is in total, it went down 56,000.
No, I know, but do we get this money four times a year?
Yes, we get it quarterly. Yes, Councillor. Okay.
Because I just feel like this number keeps going down every time we see it. It does. Yeah, I am concerned with this, and I know there's many explanations for this. Let us not forget that this right now, people are watching at home, is funded through this. AND NOT TO MENTION ALL THE WONDERFUL WORK THAT FOCUS SPRINGFIELD DOES. YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THIS KEEPS GOING DOWN, BUT, WELL, THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVILA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEW SPEAKER YEAH. NEW SPEAKER COUNCILOR SANTANELLO.
NEW SPEAKER I THINK I HAVE MY HAND RAISED BEFORE COUNCILOR SANTANELLO. SORRY.
NEW SPEAKER ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO LET YOU JUMP IN ON THAT ONE THEN. LADIES FIRST.
NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU. I agree with councilor Davila, and this is something that I brought up last year, cause I seen the numbers kept decreasing. And I asked last year what we were gonna do budget wise, because focus Springfield is a vital service to the city council, to other city government meetings, along with what they provide in the community. And so I just wanna make sure when budget season comes up in January, that this is put on the table to just address how we're going to continue to fund Focus Springfield or at least look for grants that we're going to provide. Well, since they lost funding last year, I don't want to say better service because they do a great job, but additional services that they may have had to give up or may have had to get interns in for because they didn't have enough for paid positions. But I want to make sure, Kathy, that I'm putting it out there for another year, because I know I said it last year, but to make sure that this is looked at during budget time.
We do look at it, Counselor, and I've reached out to Focus Springfield and members of their board continuously and asked them the effect it has and the implications, and I have gotten nothing back. So I will attempt it again.
Okay, thank you, Kathy. And we will also attempt to have conversations with Focus Springfield to make sure you get that information because as it continues to decrease, they're not going to be able to continue the same level of service. Thank you. I agree. Thank you, Kathy.
Thank you. Councilor Santanello?
Yeah, I'd like to know under what, this was the initial contract when Comcast came in. This was an agreement to provide this benefit like Focus Springfield to the city of Springfield, Kathy?
It was an agreement. The city received 2% of Comcast's quarterly revenue. And then these funds go on, are used for public education, government, PEG access, and cable related purposes. So we had an agreement. We turned these funds over to Focus Springfield.
Okay. So Focus Springfield now is running up against competition in the city of Springfield for cable services. So as this competition grows and gets larger Where do they come in to provide some services to the city of Springfield?
Does who come in to provide services?
I'm sorry I miss that the competition They're digging into the revenue.
I don't know if you're getting competition from cable. I think it's streaming services, et cetera, and people cutting their cable and only using streaming services. And I don't really think any of those streaming services are going to turn over money to us.
What I'm saying is the competition is coming in and replacing cable. With new services. They're dropping cable and they're going over to the new services.
The new services are streaming. There isn't another cable company that's coming into Springfield.
There's not?
That I'm aware of, no. There's another internet, but there's no cable that I'm aware of, Counselor.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you, Counselor Santonello. Anyone else? All right. Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item number 11?
On approval, Councillor Santanello.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown. Absent, Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton. Yes.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Bruce.
Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes, order passes. Madam Clerk, can you call item number 12?
Item 12 is an order authorizing approval of intergovernmental agreement with the Springfield Business Improvement District.
Welcome back, Mr. Connors. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Brian Connors, Economic Development Office, 274 Springfield Street. This is a new three-year memorandum of understanding with the Springfield Business Improvement District. We put this in front of the council every three years. It codifies the roles and responsibilities between the city and the bid for the management of the downtown district.
Thank you. Any comments or questions from my colleagues? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll on item 12?
On approval, Councillor Centinello.
Yes, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Woodfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Bruce. Yes, yes, counselor Edwards.
Yes, counselor Delgado Yes item passes Madam clerk item number 13 item 13 is amended ordinance chapter 279 door-to-door sales counselor Martin Okay Thank You mr. Vice President
I JUST WANT TO FIRST OFF THANK MY COLLEAGUE COUNSELOR HURST FOR WORKING ALONG WITH ME ON THIS ORDINANCE. WE HAD BOTH BEEN WORKING ON IT INDEPENDENTLY AND ONCE WE REALIZED THAT WE DECIDED TO COME TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTS. This is essentially something that we're mimicking with other communities. Chicopee, West Springfield have adopted stricter ordinances for door-to-door sales, peddlers, particularly like the solar panels. I'm sure everybody has either had run-ins with them. or have heard people who've had run-ins with them. They've become much more predatory lately. They keep coming back after people have said no. They're asking to view their bills. They're asking to come into their homes. It's become quite a disturbance for a lot of people and their quiet enjoyment of their homes. So this new adopted ordinance would shorten the window from 9 a.m., 6 p.m., It would require people who do the door-to-door sales to have a license present with them, visible people to view. And once they are told no, they are told to leave. So this, again, is to protect our seniors, our residents, and to just have the right to quiet enjoyment in our homes. So hope you'll consider joining me in keeping the solar panel people away from our homes. So thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Martin. Councilor Hurst.
So I appreciate Councilor Martin and working with myself on this particular ordinance. A few months ago, I had an individual come to my door and they were selling solar panels. I was not there. My wife was there and she told him no repeatedly. Um, and he refused to take no for an answer almost to the point where he was getting belligerent. Um, and you know, my wife ended up calling me. Finally, the individual left, uh, and shortly thereafter, the following, actually the next day, um, cause I saw the individual leaving as I was pulling in, uh, he returns back, uh, be, uh, because he wouldn't take no for an answer. And so at that point in time, you know, I was home. And so I got to address the individual. And even then, it was difficult to get the individual off the property. And so I could only imagine what would happen if this particular individual was at a door where there was a senior. And I can only imagine, you know, the anxiety that that particular individual would would go through I can only imagine if there was a minor at the door and you know at some point in time, you know, no has to mean no and we ought to be able to identify who these individuals are immediately and they ought to come at reasonable hours like Council of Martin highlight shortly after the incident I did see West Springfield. Straighten their ordinance and so it just seemed to make sense that you know we would get this to the law department and ask them to do a comparison between our ordinance and west springfield's newly adopted ordinance when we did that it was very clear that we needed to step our own game up uh here in the city of springfield and so While I understand we'll have some more discussions, our plan is to take this to various neighborhood councils, also have some meetings in the general government committee. On this issue, I think it's important to send the right message today in past first step. Few of the things that I think Council Martin you know did not didn't highlight is that you know the the this ordinance now expressly prohibits aggressive and harassing and threatening behavior and deceptive practices and when like you did highlight when they say when a resident says no. The expectation is that they leave. And if they don't leave, then because now they're wearing a lanyard with their ID and who they work for, that the individual resident will be able to reach out to the police department who they will be registered with. and report this individual. And so while we only had $50 fines for an infraction, this particular amendment increases those fines to $300 for an infraction. And so, you know, we're not prohibiting any free speech or religious speech, although we hope that they'll certainly comply with the or political speech for that matter. I'm sure my colleagues will welcome that. But you know, we hope that they also will comply with the timing in which folks can go, you know, solicit and go door to door as well, even though this particular amendment doesn't apply to them. So we're not looking to restrict free speech or religious speech through this. We're merely looking to just strengthen an ordinance that is already on the books. And we'll be meeting with the Superintendent Akers or certainly someone or his designee and having further conversation on this, hopefully, when we pass first step. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Hurst. Any other comments?
Councilor Edwards. Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. I look forward to supporting this and actually would like to inject the possibility of the fine being attached to the company because the individual may get a fine only if he's wearing the lanyard, only if you can see the lanyard. But if we can attach the fine to the company who's paying the gentleman, the gentleman is not out there working for himself. So somebody's at least paying him with the anticipation he's going to get an increase. At the same time that you're looking at this issue, many years ago, my colleague, Counselor Fenton, and our other colleagues, we worked on something to address the number of flyers that are put on trees, telephone poles, and things of that nature many, many years ago. It comes down to an issue of enforcement, but it's also... Not only is it an issue of litter, but it is illegal and it's not good for these trees to be having nails or staples put in them anyway. Um, but as we start to look at ordinances, the common denominator comes back to enforcement and how do we import and power some individual entity representing the city to be able to address these types of concerns on a more consistent basis. But I do applaud the work of counselor Martin. and Councilor Hurst and their intentions to try to address what is a very annoying situation. And I'm surprised, I'd be surprised if many of you have not experienced it. I know I have, but generally, I'm not very courteous when I'm asking them to leave, so they don't usually argue with me. But thank you very much, my colleagues, for putting this forward.
Thank you, Councilor Edwards. I think I heard Councilor Santanello. Do you want to say?
Yeah, just a clarification on the violations. It says violations are subject to a non-criminal fine of up to $300 per day, per violation per day. What does that mean?
Councilor Hurst or Martin, can you hear that?
I mean, I read it as it being $300 per violation per infraction per day. So if they are reported to the police department and they are fined and they decide to do it again the very next day, then they will get an additional $300 infraction.
And what, Counselor, if I may ask, what happens if they don't pay the fine?
My hope is that they'll be taken off the registry. I'm not 100% sure if we've identified that in the ordinance. Certainly will look to it. We can have that discussion in committee, but my hope is that they will be taken off the registry and be prohibited from going door to door at all until they pay.
Thank you, Councilor. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Santanello. Councilor Walsh.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. So a lot of good things in here, but I just want to be clear. Your intention is that this will be going to the law department?
This has already been to the law department. They actually were the ones that drafted the ways in which our ordinance could be more strict and be more in line with West Springfield.
Is also your intention to have more discussion from people who would be impacted before we go to the next step?
Absolutely.
And I want to be clear, we're not talking about kids and schools and things like that. I'm like, nobody can come to my house and sell me candy bars anymore. I can't support all the high schools. So you're targeting a specific group?
Yeah, it's pretty much like commercial vendors. You know, in the ordinance, it particularly protects You know, religious affiliates, charitable organizations, political candidates. I know I'd be out of a job. I mean, I knocked on everybody's door three times. So it does have those protections in there, Counselor Walsh.
Okay, so people will still have the opportunity to do it, but they would have to do it within a certain time frame. Is that correct?
No, particularly the commercial vendors. The commercial vendors would be 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. So if you were, you know, the pest control or the solar panels or those notorious industries, you would fall subject to that ordinance in that time frame.
And the law department has already vetted it and we're ready to go? And religious organizations are included?
Excluded from it.
Okay. All right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Councillor Fenton. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Just a couple of questions. I think the first thing is it would be helpful if we had some kind of red line so we could see what the changes are to the existing ordinance. I'm looking at what's proposed here, but I don't know which of this is what's new and what's already on the books um so if we could please get something like that before the committee meeting that would be helpful um and then just two things i think council hearst did you say something about our limitations on soliciting did i hear that right six o'clock nine o'clock to six okay because i just i mean maybe i missed it but i skimmed it and i didn't see anything in the one that's attached to the um to the minute track that included any type of limitation on hours. But we can look more closely at that in committee. And then the other thing I just want to call attention to, again, that we can discuss further in committee is it does involve background checks and I'd be interested to know what types of backgrounds would be eliminated from participating in these types of activities. I mean obviously we don't want to be discriminating against folks who have history in the justice involved community or having interacted with law enforcement previously. So I think those are issues that we can vet in committee and look forward to doing that. And hopefully if we get a red line, that'll help us focus some of those energies. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Fenton. Councilor Davila.
Thank you, Mr. President. I'll be brief. First of all, kudos to Councilor Hurst and Martin for this ordinance. Mr. Vice President, first, I would like to say to the people watching at home that if you feel uncomfortable with somebody at your door, don't open the door. Just don't open the door. That's one. We have heard in the past of this tact is being used to commit crime. So this is definitely a public safety issue. I do have to tell you that we all have been impacted one way or the other. Mr. Vice President, I had somebody that came up to my door not too long ago and says, let me see your gas bill. And please forgive my French, Mr. Vice President. I looked at this person. I said, who the hell are you? Who the hell are you asking me? God, let me hear your gospel. Get the heck out of here. But anyway, that didn't happen. They're that blunt. And so just two quick questions. Is this going to be, I can't open the video track here, so I'm unable to see it, but is this excluding Sundays as well? Is this only Monday through Saturday? Or are they going to be allowed? Because I think Sunday should be completely off limits. Somebody needs to rest on Sunday.
Any of you two want to answer that? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, COUNSELOR, WE DID NOT INCORPORATE ANY PROVISIONS ON SUNDAYS.
MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING. I HAVE HAD PEOPLE KNOCK ON MY DOORS ON SUNDAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SELLING STUFF. THAT WOULD BE MY BIG THING. ALSO, DO WE HAVE A, LIKE, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO, WERE YOU GUYS CALLING FOR THEM TO NOTIFY LOCAL POLICE WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE AREA? Because I know that in particularly sector H meetings, that's been brought up before. A lot of people coming in, didn't know who it is. They started getting calls, suspicious people walking around. And that's taking resources away from the police department to go investigate suspicious activity who may or may not be appropriate and legal at the time. So is there anything in there that either one of you can speak to?
sorry counselor it's not that they have to notify ahead of time it's that if they do if they are persistent if they are using these predatory tactics to notify ideally an ordinance officer and then you know we do implement the fines and I do believe there was a provision if they don't pay the fines or if they keep racking them up that we could revoke the license or the police department could revoke that license your mic
Thank you. I'm sure we can further discuss this later, but I have a complaint that, you know, cops keep going out to investigate suspicious activity. I was taking away the cops from other things. So, but with that, great work. And thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you. Not seeing any more hands. Actually, no, I see Council Whitfield. Sorry.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I want to say thank you to counselors Martin and Hurst for bringing this ordinance forward. I truly appreciate it. I must be on one of the most solicited streets in the city of Springfield because someone knocks at my door, at least on a weekly basis. So this is very helpful. And if you say I don't have time right now, they will come back multiple times a day. And say, do you have time now? No, I don't. I'll let you know. Give me your number. So this is so helpful. The time and place restriction is on page three in the section B. It says time and place restriction, hours, commercial soliciting at any residence is prohibited outside of hours of nine to six. So it's in this copy. But I would agree that we need some days off in here because it is overwhelming at times. And I also like the fact that they will have ID cards and hopefully the ID cards have to say who they work for. in big letters with some type of ID number so we can ID them to make sure they even work for the company that they say they work for. But this is great and I intend on supporting it. Thank you, counselors.
Could you give that reference for the time and place restriction again, Madam President? Because that's, again, that's not in my version. Where did you see that?
On page three, well, when I scroll down in the system, it shows on page three, section B. Yeah, it says time restriction. And then it says hours nine to six.
I see it now. Okay, thank you.
You're welcome. But I would like a red line copy too. That would be helpful because I have no idea what changed and I don't want to read from one to the other to figure that out like that. But thank you.
Thank you. Any comments and questions? So reminder that this is would be going for first step for everyone. So thank you guys. No questions. Madam Clerk, can you call the roll on item 13?
On first steps, Councillor Santonello.
Yes. Councillor Martin.
Yes. Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes. Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes. Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councilor Hurst.
Yes, Councilor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councilor Fenton.
Yes, Councilor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councilor Klick-Bruce.
Yes, Councilor Edwards.
Yes, Councilor Delgado.
Yes. Item passes first step. And you guys are going to be putting that to the general government? Not right. Thank you. Madam Clerk, item 14.
Item 14 is amended Ordinance Chapter 279, Article 8, food trucks.
Thank you. Councilor Click-Bruce.
Thank you, Vice President Delgado. I'd like to table this item as we would like to give more time to the, I know the food truck organizations were looking to form a committee, so I'll be reaching out to them I was kind of giving them some time to get through the festivals and other activities throughout the summer. So I'll look to have a meeting sometime in the near future to get some of their findings and some of their requests and then bring all of us together to have another meeting. to hopefully put this to rest prior to going into next year. That is my hope, but willing to take how much time as we need. But that's where we're at, so I'd like to table this item to a date to be determined. Thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Click-Bruce. Do we need a second for that table? Second.
Second.
All right, I think I heard Councilor Perez. Madam Clerk, can you call the roll? Actually, are there any questions on the tabling? Hearing none.
Yeah, no, I thought that we had made some adjustments to this ordinance already. I thought we had put some things forward. Did that not happen? No, because then we say we're going to extend the time of when this goes into effect and we were going to change the time. Then we vote in class.
Yeah, I do recall that.
Councilors, at the July 27th meeting, the two motions that passed were one to table to this meeting, to 9-8, and the other one was the 120-day moratorium while the item was being discussed in committee. So the moratorium was effective that day, Madam Clerk? That was my understanding what the two motions were in the last meeting. I was not at that meeting, but I did watch it.
Because I didn't know if the moratorium was 120 days from when we approved the ordinance or from that date. Can we get clarification on that?
Yeah. Ken back there. Can Ken give us some clarification? Attorney Shea? Madam President, can you restate your question for Attorney Shea?
We had two items that we voted on. Gladys, can you just repeat the second one?
So the second one was 120-day. I believe the terminology that was used in the meeting wasn't moratorium. It was a pause on enforcement of the ordinance we had already approved, right?
Correct. okay so it wasn't on the new changes it was 120 days from that date which would bring us into november correct and so i think this is going to cause another problem because then the ordinance is going to go into effect in november which is a couple months from now um and we still are looking at making changes. I think some of the suggested changes was to the time, to the feet away from the truck. So hopefully we can get through, I mean, feet away from other businesses. I hope we can get some community meetings, the food truck people at the table sooner than later, because if not, then the 120-day pause is going to be up in November, and we're going to be back at the drawing board with complaints and things like that. So I'm just hoping that that can be done. I'm not opposed to tabling this until future meetings, but I just want the future meetings to be sooner than later.
All right. Any questions for Attorney Shea? No? All right.
Not really. Not anymore, Attorney Shea. Thank you. Figured it out. Figured it out in my head.
Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, don't go too far. Before we go to, uh, Councilor Davila, Councilor Perez, I saw you first.
So for point of clarification, my understanding, the 120 days was to cease, leave the activities as it was. Correct. That was my understanding of the meeting and then come back into committee. and go over what was presented after we thought we had it correct, correct? So that was my understanding from the last meeting. So we are tailing and going back into committee in order to discuss those issues that came in front of us after we thought we had it right, correct? Just for point of clarification, that's what we did. But 120 days was because of the activity, and we were in the middle of the summer and all that, so to come back to the table. That was my understanding of why the 120 days to come back. We're coming back to the table and address what it was addressed after we had thought that we had it correct. Thank you, just for my implementation. Thank you, Councillor Perez. Councillor Davila.
Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. I do recall this a little differently. My understanding was that, if I recall correctly, to create a moratorium slash pause, or whatever it is we're going to call it, that we needed two votes. Because there was discussion about that, significant discussion about that, at the meeting. So that's my question to you, Attorney Shea. Do we need two votes to pass this, or where are we with that?
Well, right now, what's in front of the council is support supporting the creation, wait a minute, get on the right item here, amending ordinance 279 about the food truck. So that's what's in front of you. So are you making amendments to that here tonight?
No, no, no, it's not, no, but no, it's not. I'm just, because I do remember we spent like an hour talking about this and, you know, somebody say going to January and then we talked about the possibility of needing two boats and to pause slash create a moratorium because this was already an ordained ordinance. And so I'm not opposed to tabling this, but I do agree at some point we need to move this forward. And so I just darted my eyes and crossing my teeth. I'm not making any amendments. I'm just making sure that, you know, that's my question. Do we need to vote to create that pause? Because I would hate for people to be fine, even though the director said they were not going to be fine, because there was discussion about that. So if we need more time to do this, fine.
I don't want to rehash the whole argument all over again. So what you're pretty much saying is, do we need to do two votes? Because we voted last time to pause on any new thing. So you're asking if we need two votes on that piece? On the actual pause. On the actual pause.
Yes, yes. So right now, it's on the agenda to be voted on, okay? So if it's the council's wish to do further meetings and discussions on it, then you would have to, that's what your wish is, Because it's on here to be voted on.
No, I will follow whatever my colleagues want. I'm asking a question. I don't want to rehash this out, but if we're going to table it, that's okay with me. Thank you, Ken. Those are my questions. Is he all set?
Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Councilor Click-Bruce. Thank you, Vice President. I think Councilor Dowler raises a great point, but to the point of clarification, I think we have until... November at the very least. So I would look to have a meeting between this month to at least get another meeting with those food truck operators and some other folks in the room to discuss. So the meeting would definitely happen before November, before it initially runs out. So hopefully that satisfies the question. What a great question.
It does. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Click-Bruce. Councilor Govan, followed by Councilor Whitfield.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. And I agree that we could table it and have another committee meeting to continue discussing the changes that are being proposed. So doing that, I think it's a good idea to do that motion to send it back to committee. Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Thank you, Councilor Govan. Councilor Whitfield.
Okay, I just wanted to be clear, since I read this so many times to the to the Council that when we did the hundred and 20 day pause we were pausing the ordinance that we had just approved. Because we were getting complaints on the feet the distance away food trucks were from other organization other establishment, we were getting complaints about the time. that the food trucks were able to be open. So there was a few complaints on the table. We decided to pause it for 120 days. I vaguely remember councilor Davila being right that we had to take two votes and I would like to get clarity. On the two votes for the pause, not by attorney shed, because I don't think he was at that meeting, but I want to get clarity for our next city council meeting. So if we do have to take two votes, because I do want to prevent the ability for any department going and finding or fee finding these food trucks. When our intention was to pause any type of. Finding or asking folks to move. While we work through this ordinance. So if we, I will put a personal request in to figure out. If we have to vote again on the 120 day pause for our next city council meeting. And the pause was to stop all. ordinance actions for 120 days while we work through the other suggestions so i thank counselor click bruce um for saying that he will conduct these meetings before november but i will get clarification on that piece and bring it back forward if if needed at the next regular city council meeting and i do um will vote in favor of tabling this item thank you mr vice president
Thank you, Councilor Hurst.
Thank you, Mr. President. It just seems to me if everybody's in favor of the pause, why don't we just vote on this particular item as though it's the second and third step so that we don't have to even have it on the agenda for our next meeting?
You're talking about the pause part?
Yes, because if it, I mean, it seems to me like it's an amendment to the ordinance. And so if we're amending the ordinance to pause it, then it seems to me like it would take two steps or two votes from this body. Why not just vote for it?
I agree with that.
I mean, what's the process for... Mr. Vice President, the person that's been working on this issue, he's asked us to refer it and to wait for the vote. Isn't that correct? LaVar, you've been doing all the work on this. So I would go with the recommendation of the chairman. No offense.
Mr. President, I'm going to... We got multiple folks coming in.
Okay.
All right. So I think I saw Councilor Click-Bruce first. I think Councilor Whitfield and then Councilor Hurst, did you want to respond?
I'll defer to Councilor Click-Bruce. I certainly don't want to undermine him. I just thought it made some sense, but I will defer absolutely to Councilor Click-Bruce.
Thank you, Vice President. Thank you, Councilor Hurst, for that. I guess to your point, I guess I would have to see what we have on this, because I didn't see, I didn't know it was going to be on the agenda, what we actually have on this ordinance as it's written, and then making sure that we have in there, and again, we can do that on the floor, that we have in there, it's a continuation of the pause. Just want to make sure we have that in there, the verbiage, to make sure everything's correct. But I'm not opposed. I thank you, Counselor Walsh, for that. I'm not opposed to it. Again, we're here to work as a team. Yeah, I did have the committee meetings, but I also don't want to cause a controversy. with the food truck. So I know it was the will of this body to come into agreement to pause it. But again, I also want to reiterate, I am willing, been more than willing to have meetings at the drop of a dime to make sure the food truck's owners were heard and heard and also our residents. And I also want to add, too, since we did have the pause, I have got several calls from different residents, particularly in Ward 5, with some issues regarding the food trucks. So definitely need to have some meetings to discuss and try to flush out some of the issues that are ongoing. Some issues are not happening in other areas, but particularly the area where my district is, I'm getting some strong issues that are happening. So I definitely want to have some meetings to discuss and let the chips fall where they may. Thank you. Those are my comments.
Thank you, President Whitfield.
The only... Thank you, Councilor Cook-Bruce. You have been having so many meetings, even when you and Chris are the only ones that show up. I want to thank you for that. But there's other folks that work hard with these food trucks and with the people. So I don't want to discredit anyone by saying anyone worked harder than anyone else. But I definitely thank you for all the hard work that you are contributing to this. The only thing that I'm saying is that I don't, I'm not even opposed to voting for second and third step. Um, madam clerk Kent, does this require what we voted on on the 27th of July? Does it require a second and third step? Maybe that will help.
That is my understanding that today's vote. So the one 20 days, when I look back at the minutes, uh, for the July 27th meeting, uh, The motion was made, it was seconded, properly voted on and approved. I believe that was the first step, but it was from, and this might be a question for Attorney Shea, the motion was for a 120-day pause from the date of that meeting, which was July 27th, which means the pause would be in effect until November 24th.
So what is that particular vote considered? Is it a change to the ordinance that will require a second and third step? Is it not considered that so we don't need another step? But I am pretty sure that was first step and we needed a second and third step.
Correct. Again, I was not there at that meeting. And after watching... the substantial debate back and forth. It's my understanding, but I would suggest you confirm with attorney Shay that it would be 120 days from the date of that meeting. And that was the first step, the first vote on that motion.
I agree with you. And I don't, I still want to continue the item that's before the council. I'm not opposed to that at all. I agree with that also. But second and third step is important to take so that the 120 days is in effect. Because if we don't vote on the second and third step, DPW or any other enforcement agency can still go out and find the food trucks based on the last thing we approved, ask them to move. I'm not saying that they will, but they can. because we haven't legally passed second and third step for the item that we voted on on July 27th. So I'm thinking the right thing to do would be vote second and third step, and then vote to motion the item that's on the floor to committee. That would be my suggestions, but I will defer to my colleagues.
Thank you, President Whitfield. I'm just going to say this. We still have the motion to table this, but I do agree with my colleagues in trying to be more efficient so that we don't have to take an extra meeting just to approve. It sounds like we haven't done second step on the 120-day piece of it. So if it's the will of the body, do we want to change the hold off on the motion to table so that we can make the second step vote of the 120-day piece of it, which I would ask you, Madam Clerk, if we do go that route, that if you could reread that piece, if you have it with you for the whole council so we know what we're actually voting on. Does that sound like, Councilor Click-Bruce?
Thank you, Vice President. Yeah, and I was going to ask Gladys to do that as well, and I withdraw my motion to table this item. I'm in agreement with taking the second step to ensure that our food truck vendors are at least getting through the summer months and fall, actually, to make sure that they're covered. Thank you, Vice President. Thank you. Councilor Govan.
So we can still have a committee meeting after this and see if we want to make any changes to the ordinance. Is that correct? Correct. It's just a procedural matter of what we're doing now. Well, if that's the case, then okay, because I think the reason that we wanted to have another meeting, correct me if I'm wrong, Councilor Click-Bruce, is that we wanted to hear from the food trucks and the neighbors to ensure that we got the ordinance right. Okay, thank you. I would agree with that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Perez?
So, again, so that will fall under the 120 days ordinance. that we have already notated to have that meeting and then make any amendments to the one that we thought it was right? Correct. And my concern about this, I'm part of the committee, and since the meeting, first of all, I didn't know it was for voting tonight. There has been other issues that have arised that it needs to be seen in committee, and I think at the last meeting I was on the impression that we were gonna have this other meeting, not having it for today's voting, and then come back. So for point of clarification for everyone out there, we have to have this meeting before the 120 days expire, correct? Correct. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm in agreement, I will be supporting it.
Good. Any other questions from my colleagues? All right, so Madam Clerk, sounds like what we're going to do is we're going to vote on the second step, which should have been, I guess, part of this process. So can you read that to us, what we're exactly voting on the second step piece in terms of the 120-day and everything?
So it was a pause for 120 days while the item was discussed in the Maintenance and Development Committee. Everybody good on that and so and also it was Effective July 27, so it would go back to July 27 through November 24th So that's the time period of the pause and just a clarification for myself.
So once we vote second step We don't need to do any more voting today on that because you guys will hold your own separate subcommittee meeting to continue the work Okay, does everybody clear on that? Good Councilor Klick-Bruce.
Thank you, Vice President. I just want to make clear and read into the record that also what we're voting on is making sure we're keeping what the previous ordinance was initially from the City of Springfield and not what we as a council voted in. So I just want to make sure that's clear and understood. Thank you, Vice President.
Thank you for that clarification. All right, any other questions, comments? All right, so can we vote on the second step of this ordinance for the, I guess, 120-day continuation, and that we're not making any changes to the previous until after that? All right, Madam Clerk, can you call the roll?
Councillor Centinello. Away Councilor Martin. Yes, yes, Councilor Perez, yes, yes, Councilor Brown absent Councilor Govan, yes. Yes, Councilor Walsh, yes. Yes, Councilor Hurst, yes, yes, Councilor Davila, yes, yes, Councilor Fenton, yes, yes, Councilor Whitfield, yes, yes, Councilor click Bruce, yes, yes, Councilor Edwards, yes. Yes, Councilor Delgado.
Yes, second step passes. Madam Clerk.
Yes, Councilor Harris. I'd like to make a motion to take item number 17 out of order. I see Commissioner Helen Colton-Harris is still here, waiting patiently, as well as Chanel. So I plan on taking it out of order.
unfinished business so if we could hear that item now be greatly appreciated if there are no objections yep okay can we pull item 17 item 17 is amended ordinances chapter 16 article 5 the youth commission sorry about that yep
really quickly before the commissioner says anything we did meet on this item and committee. And there were 2 major concerns that the City Council had one of those concerns was that we wanted to make sure that the president of the city council or their designated representative was part of the commission when they weren't originally. And so the ordinance has now been changed for the president the city council or his or her designee to serve as a representative so I just want to thank Commissioner Helen cotton Harris and Chanel for being a minimal to that the other thing that is not reflected in here and at the appropriate time I'd be happy to make a motion to include is that Commissioner Helen Colton-Harris, Chanel, and the mayor have graciously agreed to give the city council president or his or her designee three members, three additional members of the 11 to be appointed by the city council president or their designee. So thank you. I appreciate the work, and I'm sure the council appreciates it as well. If that's it, I'll turn it over to you, Commissioner. Commissioner.
Thank you for being patient. Thank you. And thank you, Councilor Hurst, for the meeting. And thank you for your patience and your willingness to collaborate with us. I am grateful. Chanel Ford, as you know, is the Health and Racial Equity Coordinator for the Department of Health and Human Services, and she will be the individual that oversees this process as far as this youth commission is concerned. I am appreciative that we are able to expand the reach of the city council to have a role in this by appointing three members. The mayor will appoint seven members and we have removed the parks department, park and recreation department director and replaced that with the president of the city council or designated representative. Again, I am also grateful to Mayor Sarno as we met with him to strengthen this youth commission and we're grateful for that as well. So, Councilor Hurst, thank you for your time, your attention, and your patience.
Thank you, Commissioner. Any questions or comments from my colleagues? Seeing none.
I am here.
Oh, actually, sorry. Just looked at your hand. I got to look at that. It's so tiny on there.
I know.
I don't know how you do it without glasses.
I know. Thank you. Mr. Vice President, Commissioner and Chanel, thank you so much. Chanel, I see you a person you felt so bad for the city council being removed. We were not taking anything personal. I just wanted you to know that we didn't take anything personal. And I think, Commissioner, you said the director of parks in their desert or their representative will be removed and replaced.
They have been removed. Council president.
OK, because at the one I'm looking at, I don't see that change. The one that's in our minute. I don't know. I don't think it's many track anymore, but our system, I don't see that change. And then, Councillor Hearst, you said that we were negotiating two more selections in addition.
I'll clarify I'll let the commissioner clarify. I know commissioner you said you said the mayor would have 7 or you said there would be a total of 10 members. So I don't I don't know if it's one member from the city. I don't know if it's the city council president gets 2 members or 3 members 3 members 3 members is that does that include the city council president.
That is not, so let me be clear that the individuals, the superintendent of police or designated person, the superintendent of schools or their designated person, the president of the city council or their designated representative, the vice president of the school committee or their designated representative, the department of health and human service commissioner or their designated representative, a representative from the mayor's office, and 11 residents of the city, all of whom shall be enrolled in Springfield Public Schools, grades seven and above. So the parks director has been removed from this ordinance.
Okay, because in the copy that is shown to us, it doesn't show it. It still shows the park director. And then the part that I was a little bit confused on, too, is what Councilor Hurst said about the additional selections. And I didn't know if that was out of the 11 public school, grade 7 and above. So I just wanted to clarify those additional ones, Councilor Hurst, that you were talking about.
Thank you.
Thank you. Councilor Govan.
I can't talk with it on. Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I want to thank Commissioner Carlton Harris for always having these innovative ideas and actions that you do. I really appreciate this. So from my understanding, there are seven department heads, so to speak, including the city council, plus 11 youth. Correct? That's correct. And out of the 11 youth, the city council president or their designee assigns those three youth. Correct? We'll have three. We'll have three of those 11. Okay. I think this is a great idea. I'm really glad that Chanel is leading it, it sounds like, which is awesome. We have a youth council in Indian Orchard with a whole bunch of great youth that are excited. Some of them have transportation issues, so we'll work that out if possible. Just to note that we have that going on, so I'm really proud that this is going on. Thank you.
Councilor Govan, as you know, I've had the opportunity to work with those amazing young people in Indian Orchard, so I absolutely agree. You have some fabulous young people.
They're not easy to work with.
I can echo those comments as well. Great job. Am I seeing anybody else on this? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on item 17? Is this first step, Madam Clerk?
All right, so first step on amending the ordinance for the Youth Commission.
Councillor Santanello. Councillor Santanello, away. Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown. Absent, Councillor Govan.
Yes, Councillor Walsh.
Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councillor Fenton.
Yes, Councillor Whitfield. Yes.
Just for clarification, this is going back to subcommittee. Is this first step?
Yes, we never took first step. I'll hold one more meeting so we can get the actual copy that Commissioner Helen Carlin Harris has, and then we'll bring it back to the full body for second and third step.
Thank you, Counselor.
Yes. Yes, Counselor Click-Bruce.
Yes, Counselor Edwards. Yes. Yes, Counselor Delgado. Yes.
Yes, item passes first step. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you for being here, Chanel.
I'd like to thank you for allowing me to stay through the whole thing.
Sorry, Commissioner. I would have moved you a long time ago.
All right. Madam Clerk, item 15 now.
Item 15 is supporting House Bill 4087, an act relative to traffic safety at intersections.
Counselor, you click, Bruce. Thank you, Vice President Delgado. Really... Want to bring this forth through the city council, um, state representative Orlando Ramos, um, put this out on a state level. I wanted to adopt this on the local level to, uh, really take some initiative and, uh, protecting our residents here in the city of Springfield regarding, um, uh, public safety, um, particularly on Boston road, uh, Where I live at, it's been numerous of accidents on Boston Road, and it's like a racetrack. So we want to make sure we're trying to put in legislation to support public safety, and particularly protecting our school children and our residents. that are involved just basically crossing the street or just driving in their vehicles. So this, again, it's not in reference to flock cameras of that nature. So I'll read the resolution as we have it. Resolution supporting House Bill 4087, an act relative to traffic safety at intersections. And we know Boston Road is not the only one we're talking about, but that's just a highlight. a particular dangerous intersection in the city of Springfield. We know there are plenty of areas in the city of Springfield. I'm happy to discuss those, but this is particularly just a point of reference. So whereas dangerous and deadly crashes at intersections continue to threaten the lives of Springfield residents, pedestrians, and motorists, particularly along Boston Road and other high-traffic corridors throughout the city, and whereas House Bill 4087 will give us with the municipalities, the local option to use traffic safety cameras to deter and document red light violations and other dangerous intersections violations and whereas these cameras are not flock cameras and are not intended for general surveillance. The proposed system captures photographic images, not continuous video vehicles committing specific traffic violations. And whereas the Springfield City Council supports a system in which the registered owner of the vehicle receives a civil citation, the City Council established the applicable fine and the violation is not surchargeable for automobile insurance purposes. And whereas the purpose of H.4087 is not a general not to generate revenue but to charge dangerous driving behavior prevent crashes and save lives especially in areas such as boston road where traffic volume and intersection safety remain significantly concerned significant concerns now therefore be it resolved the springfield city council hereby strongly supports house bill 4087 and urges massachusetts legislation to enact this important traffic safety measure, preserving local control and appropriate privacy protections. Be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to Springfield's Legislative delegation and state Rep Orlando Ramos. So I'm asking my colleagues to support this and open to any questions, but this is quite quite simple. We're looking to. Put something where we have some skin in the game and have a local option here in the city of Springfield. Thank you. Those are my resolution for the city for the City Council. Thank you.
Thank you. Council click Bruce Council Perez. That's all first followed by Council Hurst.
I personally want to thank Representative Orlando Ramos, but I have in my district for many years, Bernie Avenue. As you all know, I'm surrounded by four schools, and Bernie Avenue is one of the most dangerous ones because due to mass DOT, it's converted from a regular street to a freeway and people, the speeding there, we've been trying. So, you know, I'm advocating for Bernie Avenue. I'm in support of the resolution, but that's an area that we have been working hardly for so many years and been advocating in the neighborhood. about that traffic there. So I urge that please, we have some discussion about that matter and include that as being so serious around it about four schools in that area. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Councilor Perez. Councilor Hirsch, followed by Councilor Martin. And then Councilor Fenton.
Your mic. Just a couple questions for you, Counselor. Have we reached out and received any input from either the ACLU or the NAACP or any other organizations that are concerned with the civil rights of residents, especially as it relates to cameras and folks being filmed. I'm always leery to approve cameras that are recording folks' movements, just because we We just don't know what else they're being used for. I noticed that you highlighted flock cameras and that these are not similar to flock cameras. So I appreciate that. You know, and I guess I would add, do we have any assurances from the police department and Commissioner Akers in terms of what these cameras can do and what they will be allowed to do?
through the vice president. Thank you, uh, counselor, uh, hers for the question. And, uh, you know, um, I'm more than willing to, I'm, I'm bringing this presented this to the council. I'm more than willing to, to have several meetings with NAACP, uh, also with other organizations, uh, particularly in the black and brown community to bring educational to this, uh, Our intention is not to target anyone, but particularly just to prevent dangerous acts that are happening in our city. But point taken, be more than willing to host and have meetings to discuss. I did talk to Rep Ramos, who couldn't be here today. But he assured me these are not fly cameras, and these are primarily just to catch those that are in the act of committing crimes in our city. But again, great question, and I'm more than willing to have more dialogue with our city residents.
Thank you, Councilor Click-Bruce. I think I had Councilor Martin, then Councilor Fenton, then Councilor Govan. Uh-huh.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. And thank you, Counselor Click-Bruce, for bringing this initiative. I do think it is obviously a very important topic of conversation we all hear regularly. from a lot of constituents about you know people you know disregarding safety and flying through and speeding through the city of springfield um we just want to make sure we feel safe on our own in our own streets so i'd be happy to support this initiative however um we as a body feel necessary i would also be open to um holding it in a public safety meeting if uh YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH COUNSELOR CLIP BRUCE'S BLESSING, WE CAN DO A JOINT MEETING AS WELL, MAINTENANCE AND DEVELOPMENT. I'D BE HAPPY TO INVITE ORGANIZATIONS MENTIONED BY COUNSELOR HURST AS WELL AS THE STATE DELEGATION. SO IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BODY, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU. THANKS, COUNSELOR MARTIN. COUNSELOR FENTON? I'LL YIELD. ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR GOVAN.
THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. I think this is a great concept and I don't often disagree with my state representative Ramos, but sometimes I do. And I agree with Councilor Hurst, we have to proceed with caution in light of the flat cameras that are out here. Today, actually, this would have been a great tool for me to have because I stopped at the red light and this white van just kept driving right through the red light. It turned red and they were back here and they kept going. I said, oh, I wish I had a camera to catch them. So I'm kind of conflicted here. We do need to proceed with caution. I was trying to look up on what kind of cameras they were, if they were like triggered when the light turned red and it takes a picture or is it constantly taking video or whatever it is. I'd like to know those details before we proceed. I think it's a great idea because I live up by Boston Road. I live on Berkshire Avenue and that's where that's another speedway, you know. So the speeding, are the cameras on all the time to catch the speeders, right? I was gifted a solar speed limit sign right in front of my house. And the problem with that is that we don't know what the speed limit is, right? Because it's not posted. So the sign is flashing when you drive through it. It's flashing yellow, I guess. So that might mean you're going too fast. We don't know. So I think there are other, um, ways of us to, um, enhancing our, I guess, um, you know, push on, on slowing people down, um, Accidents don't slow them down, apparently. People dying, sadly, don't slow them down because we see that all the time. This might be a good tool. I would just have to be doing a little bit more research on it to see what kind of cameras they are because I've been getting a lot of emails and notifications from constituents about the flock cameras. and about how they're being used to harass people, to stalk people. So I just want us to be really careful. I will talk to Rep Ramos about the bill specifically and ask him if he knows exactly what kind of cameras they are, and I'd like to participate in any of the committee meetings that we might have about it. But I totally agree with... COUNCILOR CLICKBRUCE THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT SLOWING THE TRAFFIC DOWN IN THIS CITY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE THINK THEY HAVE TO DRIVE FAST. THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT.
NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GOVAN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? SO COUNCILOR CLICKBRUCE?
NEW SPEAKER SO POINT TAKEN, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GOVAN, COUNCILOR HURST FOR Bringing those comments up, I just want to clarify again, I did have a sense of conversation with Rhett Ramos. He assured me these are not flock cameras and these are not continuous video of... recordings, but more than willing to have more clarification and more dialogue and community input regarding this. But again, the intended purpose of this is to bring safety to our to our city residents. But no means do we want to target anyone. uh with this with these cameras so i would i'd like to send this to to committee uh with counselor uh martin um with public safety with a joint committee with uh maintenance and uh uh, development to, uh, to, uh, invite, invite, uh, organizations to have feedback. And that's what it's about having feedback from our, from our residents, um, to see how they feel about it and have a healthy dialogue and, uh, uh, move from there. But, uh, I think, uh, my, uh, colleagues were there for their comments. Uh, thank you.
Thank you. Council kick boost. So I heard a motion to send this item to committee. And I also, I think I heard a second from president Westfield.
All right. Is there any comments, discussion on the motion to send the committee? Not. Madam Clerk, can we call the roll on sending this item to committee?
On the motion to committee, Councillor Santanello. Away, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila. Yes. Yes, Councilor Fenton.
Yes, Councilor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councilor Klick-Bruce.
Yes, Councilor Edwards.
Yes, Councilor Delgado.
Yes. Item sent to committee to the Joint Public Safety and Maintenance and Development. All right.
And then... Mr. Vice President, before we adjourn, and I hate to do this, I see everybody's ready to leave. Okay. I would like to indulge us and take item 19 out of unfinished business. Item 19. The reason I'm making that call is because time is clicking and we need to dispose of this one way or the other. No action has been taken on this matter and so we need to do something with this. It went to committee on June 22nd, and so I would like to recall it. I don't think I need a motion for that. I would like to bring it back to the chairman. All right.
Mr. President, I just would like to caution Councillor Davila that unless we have an assistant clerk here to take this item, I think we probably ought to keep it in committee, as there is an obvious conflict of interest. And I certainly don't mind meeting on this. I actually believe that the New North Citizens Council a meeting today and they're making some changes to uh the structure of bella and they are making those changes i would imagine as a result of a lot of what was brought to light and so i'd like to see the end result of that meeting and exactly what it is that they did and then I think we'll be able to make a more informed judgment as to how to proceed. But what I will tell you is that, Councillor Davila, while I appreciate your efforts, I think if you take this out and it gets voted on by our colleagues and we vote favorably on it, we are now part of the problem. And so you will risk that you certainly are involved knowingly in what we all know to be a conflict of interest, at the very least.
Yes, Mr. Vice President, if I may, I would like to thank Councillor Hurst for his kind advice. However, I do have to take objections with his last statement, serious objections, that I will not only be involved. I take that as a character assassination, not intended probably, but I highly, completely disagree with you, my friend. This has, Mr. Vice President, this has been June 22nd. It will appear to me that there's always something else to keep this from not coming up. And whether the council wants to vote in favor or against it is up to the will of the council. There's always something else. We need to wait for this. We need to wait for that. This council has made a few statements recently. We took a vote on this matter relating to this matter and so now I can see mr. Vice president you brought the Attorney which you preempted me on my question. I think I Don't see it personally. I'll see a conflict that I'm not a lawyer, but I will be asking that question to Mr. Shea is there a conflict of interest? with the madam clerk being present of us taking this vote. I'm just asserting councillor's first questions.
Whoever the clerk is simply keeping a record of what the council does. Okay. The clerk doesn't participate in any discussion. It's simply a record keeper. So The councillors are going to do the voting, and unless there's a councillor here that feels that they have a conflict, I don't see the conflict myself from a legal point.
Thank you, Attorney General. So with that being said, I would like to recall this, Mr. Vice President. We need to, whether we vote up or down. Thank you.
Mr. President. Councillor Govan.
I object for us to taking it out of unfinished business. We haven't had any meetings about this. I think we should have a committee meeting at least before we vote on this so that we could be better informed. So that's my objection.
Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilor Hurst.
I'll repeat what I've said in the past. There is no way that we can vote on this item without the clerk, who is the manager for this for-profit company, at the very least disclosing that and recusing herself. And in this particular instance, we have no assistant clerk here. Councilor Shea, I appreciate your perspective. But I would encourage you to take a stronger look at the documents that I've looked at before you go on record saying that you don't see a conflict.
I don't want to talk about conflicts.
That is my recommendation to you as an attorney. Thank you, Councillor Hearst. Councillor Walsh.
Mr. Vice President, this is very uncomfortable. I feel very uncomfortable for all of this, but I have to agree with Councillor Govan. When something is referred to as unfinished business, you have to have a meeting on it before you can bring it back before the council. I mean, this is awkward on many levels, and I think all of us would wish it would. just go away. But because it's on the agenda, I think we should have had more notice if we wanted to talk about it. And Victor, did you ask any of us how we felt about this and just bringing it on us now? So I don't even want to touch it with a 10-foot pole. I don't want to vote on it. And I think we should go home.
Thank you, Councilor Walsh. Councilor Davila, followed by Councilor Fenton.
Mr. President, my hand's been up. My hand's been up, and I haven't spoken yet on this item.
I apologize, Councilor President.
My hand's also up.
So I I would like there's a lot of hands going up so I haven't been able to see everybody in order so I would like to respond What the rule is is First thing gets to speak once before someone can speak twice.
That's the City Council rule and Counselor Davila has spoken twice now I will I will I will give the floor to Councilor Fenton, if he hasn't spoken yet. But my hand has been up before Councilor Govan, before Councilor Walsh. But if you go in the order of who is on the floor first, okay, I can accept Councilor Fenton, but.
All right, President Whitfield, I'm gonna go to Councilor Fenton.
I object. I have a right to answer. I was mentioned by name. I would like to answer the question.
I understand that, but you have spoken twice already.
I have not spoken. One of this issue, I was mentioned by name. I do have a right to answer.
You do not. You do not. You do not.
Unless you're called on, you do not.
You do not.
You do not.
You are conducting things. Come on. We're trying to get through this. It's the last item on the right now. So can we?
We got to follow the rules of the city council. And just because someone thinks they're supposed to answer a question doesn't mean that is the right thing to do. It's not.
It's not.
People name people's names all the time. The council president said he would take Councilor Fenton and then me and come back to Councilor D'Avila and he can address the question at the time. But the bullying technique is not gonna keep working every time Councilor D'Avila wants to speak.
Can we just, Councilor D'Avila, with all due respect, I'm trying to get this, can we just, I just wanna get through Councilor Fenton, then we will get to Councilor Wilfrid and then I will give you a chance to respond to the question, thank you.
Okay. Thank you, Mr. President. I just wanted to say that this has been under unfinished business for many months. I understand that if we don't take action on it soon, it will expire under the rules, as Councillor Davila did highlight. And I also just want to speak with respect to the conflict allegation that there have been legal memorandum that have been circulated to this body from the law department on this subject. which do not agree with Councilor Hurst's assessment. And furthermore, I mean, as I can recall, I think earlier this evening, this board voted unanimously to approve another grant for the New North Citizens Council, and no similar conflict was raised or addressed at that time. So I... I do think that there's a need to act on it. Um, you know, whether or not it needs to be tonight at this exact moment, I'm not sure, but months have passed without action. I understand that the comfortable thing would be to, uh, avoid some of the controversy that has been started over this matter. Um, but we do have a responsibility to, to take action, uh, on the items that come before us and, um, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXPLANATION QUITE FRANKLY FOR WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMITTEE MEETING OR HAVEN'T MOVED THIS ITEM FORWARD. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE ISSUE AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FENTON. PRESIDENT WHITFIELD, NEXT, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR DAVILA.
THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. I'm not voting on this tonight. I also adamantly opposed to taking it out of committee because if there is a conflict, I do not want to impose that on the city clerk. I know how it feels to be under scrutiny and I would much rather prefer if this item comes out of unfinished business that the assistant city clerk be here to, um, to vote on it take the meeting notes or whatever that would make me feel much more comfortable um in this situation in addition we have not had a subcommittee meeting I don't care what the law department memo says I don't trust anything that comes from the solicitor because he can't back it up with proof um with laws like I had asked an additional memo that we had so That is neither here nor there. Wouldn't trust anything that comes out from the law department just because you're a lawyer or solicitor or you have these titles doesn't necessarily mean you are accurate or you're truthful or you're even ethical in that sense. So that does not sway me neither here nor there. It's the city clerk. THAT I'M TRYING TO PROTECT, HONESTLY, AND I WILL NOT VOTE ON THIS, AND I WILL NOT DISCUSS IT ANYMORE. IT NEEDS TO GO TO COMMITTEE, AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO.
THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WHITFIELD. COUNCILOR DAVILA FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR MARTIN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR, MR. VICE PRESIDENT, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TOO. But we need to do what I think is the right thing. This has been on the unfinished basis since June 22nd. This is going to die October 1st. And I do have to say that I realize some people want to, for whatever reason, continue this. They want to continue moving this forward. down the road, I don't know why we haven't had a meeting on this, but let us not forget, this is money for housing as well. And I'm very concerned with this. A lot of you are saying that, or I hope you're not being presumptuous of thinking that we're just gonna keep this committee, because I am calling Rule 18 to bring it up for a vote. There's no if, or but, or that, or x, or y, or z. It's been more than 45 days, I believe, and any counselor, i.e. me, can recall this for a vote. Vote you're conscious. If you think yes, vote yes. If you think no, vote no. But I will hate this matter to die after 120 days. And honestly, I'm not exactly too hopeful that we will have a meeting between here and October 1st. Thank you. And again, I'm calling rule 18 to dispose of this.
Thank you, Councilor Davila, Councilor Martin.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I don't know. I just, when I put my name on the ballot, I never thought it would be like this between everybody. whether it was, you know, and this is coming from both sides, the establishment and the counter-establishment. It's been a brutal year of people calling people names, throwing accusations. It's just wrong. It's politics as usual. We should be better than this. We should be serving the people of Springfield. And this is just a distraction. I was almost impressed that we were going to go through a whole meeting without this drama.
It's just wrong.
And again, it's coming from both sides. And I defended people on both sides. It just, it breaks my heart. It breaks my heart for the residents and they deserve better. And I, whether we vote on it tonight, a month from now, let's just, let's move, let's move past it. Let's get past the politics as usual. Let's serve the city.
Thank you, Councilor Martin. Councilor Govan.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I'm confident that we can have a committee meeting between now and October 1st, or now and our next meeting. We have three meetings in September. We're meeting for the next three weeks straight, so I think if we have a committee meeting to discuss this and then bring it up maybe at our next meeting, I think that would make sense. Should I make a motion? Or do we don't need a motion?
I will tell you, our next meeting is September 21st. That's our next regular. Excuse me.
Regular hearings that must be hearings because this is a regular Okay, that's even better. We have more time.
It's regular.
Yes, it is right Okay, so the 28th is the hearings meeting so we have I'm confident that we can have a committee meeting between now And then and put it on the agenda for that day Thank you.
Thank you. Mr.. Rice. Sorry. I So.
Do I need to make a motion? I make a motion that we have a committee meeting on this item before the 28th so that we could vote on it on the 28th.
There's a motion on the floor by Councilor Govan to keep this in committee to have it done before that. Is there a second to that? Councilor Klick-Bruce has a question.
Okay. I just have a question. Thank you, Vice President. Just for clarification, I think I know the answer. Whose committee is this in, and is that person going to be willing to host a meeting prior to the date? Was that in general government? Or what is the holdup on having a meeting? Just want to get some feedback.
Absolutely. I would be more than happy to have a committee meeting. I think you all will all understand it's been the summer. And so folks have been doing a lot of things with their family, as I've been doing. In addition to that, I've also been waiting on an additional legal opinion. What I don't, at the very least, we ought to have an ethics meeting. review as to whether it makes sense for us to even vote on this item. Somebody needs to advise us. And the idea that the solicitor is the only advice that we are going to heed to me is extremely problematic. We need to get another opinion. And so I'm certainly committed to having a meeting and hopefully at that time I'll have some more information for the city council as to how it is that we should operate from an ethical and a legal standpoint. And then you all will at least have a second opinion.
What a clarification.
I have a point, too.
Counselor. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Vice President, my apologies. So I just want to, again, remind people I am calling on Rule 18. If you allow me to read it, Rule 18, we call off committee referrals. If, after 30 days, a matter referred to a committee is not reported upon any member any member may recall such matter from the committee. If, after 120 days, a matter referred to committee is not reported upon or action taken on the matter, it should be deemed dead and a new request must be refiled to appear before the council. Again, I, I, Councillor Victor Davila, a city councillor, In this body, I am recalling this matter for a vote. It's not if or. We need to dispose of this. I am not confident we're going to have a meeting, a subcommittee meeting, between here and there. Again, if you guys move forward and do your own thing, you will be violating the own city rules, and it will be a whole different kind of warrants as to what may happen. And so, thank you.
Thank you, Councilor Davila. Councilor Perez.
So I have a question. Because the last meeting, the issue was, and again, I'm just doing like going over the meeting, we were supposed to have a subcommittee meeting with a condition that we have some legal advice on that subcommittee meeting. Am I correct or not? So, There was on a point that it was said that we were not going to be having no, not from the part of the council. I'm not speaking about the body council. Then we entered into a vote because we undecidedly in having a second opinion legally because of the matter. So what the issue is, the head has to go to committee because those questions have not been answered to the full body of the council. And that's what I recall of the last meeting. We were expecting to have some legal, which at this point I have received none. So why are we calling rule 18 legal? And taking the weight as a body of counsel, when we have been asking questions from the legal point, there has not been an answer. So, you know what, it's a matter that we need to legal counsel to this question that I'm asking now. What my colleague said I had entertained and what the president of the council has said because of the situation that we are being imposed tonight because I was not, you know, I was not expecting to digest all this information like this tonight. It makes me feel beat. This is very improper right now. I have to look for a better word, but this is very, very improper right now. What is the hesitant of continuing like we have done with other issues and resolve other issues that is not in the weight of the body? Because I'm not going to stand here and take accountability for things that is not the weight of the city council body. So therefore, I will go by the recommendation of the President of the Board. If we put a motion to continue, and I don't think we should be saying that it's our fault under Rule 18. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Perez. Councillor Walsh.
Yes, depending on how this vote goes, I think that this issue should go to the Finance Committee, not General Government.
Has that been established already before? When we referred it last time, where did it go?
I don't think it was referred anywhere.
It was never discussed?
Yeah.
Okay.
It is financial.
Councilor Davila.
My understanding, unless I'm mistaken, I thought it was supposed to go to General Gov.
I don't have the notes on that, on what happened last time, where it went. I just know it was sent to committee. What I will say is, we're here at this moment. Some folks feel uncomfortable, and I understand the Rule 18. But if we vote on this, as is, and whatever way it goes, it's it.
Either we vote this, or we let it die, and we look like we are not taking a stand on this. Either way, I really could care less how people vote on this. And I have to say, Mr... Vice Chair, if I may. Just vote, you're conscious. This is uncomfortable for me, too. It's not like I'm happy about this meeting. But I do believe that we need to take a vote on this. And we are councillors, and this is not the first time I'm going to be in this position. We disagree on this for whatever reason. Everybody has their own reasons. But we need to take a vote on this, dispose of the matter, just whatever way you want to do it, and so again, I'm calling a real team to get this. And so if you agree, vote in favor, if no vote against it, but just let's dispose it. Thank you.
Mr. President, my hand is raised in case you don't see it.
Councilor Whitfield.
I just want to make clarification on Rule 18. What Rule 18 does is after 30 days, any member can recall the matter, but it's disposed as a regular item. It does not mean we necessarily have to vote on it. It's disposed as a regular item. So if anyone makes a motion to send this committee, it goes to committee. If we decide to vote on it, we vote on it. Rule 18 only brings the item out of unfinished business. And that is it. It doesn't mean we have to vote on that item tonight. And so if anyone wants to make a motion and I am going to make a motion to send the item to committee, um, We're gonna send the item to committee.
Are you are you making a motion?
I'm making a motion to send the item to committee.
Oh Sorry, sorry. It's been a while. So so counselor go bond did make the original motion. Okay, so I think they're second I said concert. All right concert click Bruce seconded it first on the motion and Any question comments on the motion?
On the motion.
Yeah. And so that is, the rules are silent on that. That is absolutely correct. But to no disrespect, I want to hear from the city council lawyer to what he has to say on that. Because it's silent on that. So I do have... Counselor, Ken Shea. I would like to hear on that, if I may.
And just for perspective, it's 9-10 now.
So what's the question? Go ahead.
No, what's the question? So I call upon Rule 18, which is recalling a matter after 30 days back to the chamber. But apparently it's silent as to whether it's disposed or not. And so there's a motion to send it to committee. And I want to be clear that Now that I call open rule 18, do we have to dispose of the matter or do we have to send it to committee? And if we do send it to committee, does the clock start all over again?
Well, my reading of the rule, it says if after 30 days A matter referred to a committee is not reported upon. Any member may recall such matter from the committee. So have we done, has that been done? Yes. Okay, so now it's back in front of the council. Correct. And once it's back in front of the council, I would think the clock starts, the game starts all over. If you want to refer it back to a committee, I would think that you could. So that would be against the 90 days. You can take any action you want. after it comes out. That's my understanding of the rule.
I don't want to ask you the question. Yes, and so that's fine. And so, and that's fine if that's your legal interpretation. I'm going to take your legal interpretation. No offense to anybody else because you are the city lawyer and you do deserve respect. And so the law department here. And so if that's your interpretation and that is the will of the body, then so be it. But at least I did what I think is right and brought this back up. If people want to continue talking, as they will, then so be it.
Thank you. All right. Any more questions on the motion? Councilor Govan. I call the question. She's calling the question. She made the motion, so can we just get right to the vote? All right. All right, Madam Clerk, can we vote on the motion to send this to the Finance Subcommittee? Finance.
On the motion to committee, Councillor Sancinello. Away, Councillor Martin.
Yes, Councillor Perez. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brown absent. Councillor Govan. Yes. Yes, Councillor Walsh. Yes. Yes, Councillor Hurst.
Yes, Councillor Davila.
Yes, Councillor Fenton.
No, Councillor Whitfield. Yes. Yes, Councillor Click-Bruce.
Yes, Councillor Edwards.
Yes, Councillor Delgado.
Yes, motion passes. Sent to the Finance Subcommittee. And our next meeting is not until September 21st. Thank you. Meeting is adjourned.
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