Town Council - Regular Meeting

go ahead okay welcome to the town council meeting of the town of Springdale Utah today is Wednesday February 12th 2025 and it's 5:00 we're at the canyon Community Center from the town of Springdale we have Tom Dany Rick Wixom Aon Emerson and Robin Romero on the council we have Jack Burns Randy Aton myself Barbara Bruno Pat Campbell and Kyla too and we will start with the Pledge of Allegiance i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under indivisible with liy and justice for all thank you I'd entertain a motion to approve the regular meeting agenda I move will you approve the agenda I'll second motion by Randy second by Kyla Jack I Randy Barbara I Pat I Kyla I okay are there any general announcements Ryan Ryan has one I beat Ryan to the Le turn wow pretty fast yeah I can walk fast I just can't go to state your name for the recording je bre I just wanted to thank Aaron and Robin cler department for putting that um presentation for preparedness together with the um Health Department the other day I heard a lot of good feedback and um I everybody that I talked to said it was really great and so I really appreciate them for jumping in and taking care of I had this medical procedure that prevented me from being there so I was not present but I did have an officer here that could answer questions which I know he did and so

anyway I wanted to thank them for that it was a good event it um a couple of people were disappointed that it wasn't more Springdale specific although it was real clear I thought in the on the fer on the flyer that it was Southwest held but it was a good presentation and there was some discussion that was specific to springell that was helpful yeah so it was good so thank you you guys thanks for setting that up just to piggy back off of that um the health department offered some of the brochures that they left at the meeting or that they presented at the meeting so we're going to go pick those up and we'll have those available within the next few days okay at Town Hall okay thank you it was well attended too I'd like seeing that any other General announcements Ryan did you have one yeah brief just a quick plug for the um Town birthday party which will be held on Friday March 7th from 2: to 4:00 p.m. here at the canyon Community Center it's a chance for people to come and visit with Town officials town staff and other members of the community and there will be Refreshments provided thank you anything else okay I don't see superintendent Brady B I'm not surprised he's as you can imagine trying to figure things out so we won't have a national park update I have heard that the unofficial final number for 2024 was something like 4.98 million it was just under 5 milon so second highest on record um does anyone have any questions about the council department reports okay uh Community questions and comments most likely not okay I'd entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda which is a

review of the monthly purchasing report the minutes of January 8th and 22nd and ratification of the recommendation from the historic preservation commission for Bob Carlton as chair and Judy Brook as Vice chair for 2025 I move to approve the consent agenda I'll second motion by Jack second by Randy Jack I Ria Barbara I Pat I Kyla I okay next item is a legislative item it's an ordinance revision it's review and possible approval of ordinance 20252 changes to title 6 chapter 2 of the town code making changes to the town's regulations for on street parking and this will be Tom Dany and just just a comment Randy and I attended a meeting where we talked about this so we know a little bit about it too and um can help Tom with with answers if he needs help because he's confused us completely with the stuff he said how can we we be sure of what we're seeing I know thank you and I apologize for that confusion but just just to hopefully um make sure everybody is is up to speed there are two items on your agenda tonight that have to deal or that deal with parking one is the one that you're considering right now the ordinance that changes title six chapter two of the town code which are on street parking regulations and then later on in the agenda you will be considering resolution 20254 which updates the town's parking policies um and it's that resolution 20254 packing material that is the source of the confusion I apologize hopefully you all got the updated updated updated version of the packet material with the staff report that explains those policies if not I can I

can go through those when we get to that item but this item is the ordinance um and and um so this makes some changes um Chief bre is here and and can answer some questions as as well but basically um we've been doing on street parking paid on street parking for about seven years now and over the course of those seven years we've um learned a lot with how to manage and administer parking the police department and the parking Department do a fantastic job of administering the program as well as the treasur department with with handling all of the back office and of collecting um uh uh Revenue it's a lot that goes into administering this program and and and those departments do a fantastic job in order to um help uh clean up some of the difficulties or or issues that that they are looking or they they frequently see in administration of the program this ordinance makes two changes two two two policy changes one has to do with the definition of oversized vehicle um currently our definition of oversized vehicle is based on the dimensions of a vehicle and it's difficult for someone who who's wondering do I have an oversized vehicle or not to be able to quickly determine oh my vehicle fits in these Dimensions or it doesn't um and and so a lot of the violations that occur have to do with oversized vehicle violations so we're changing the definition of oversized vehicle to make it more standardized with kind of the common understanding of what an oversized vehicle is um and and hopefully that will help clear up some of the confusion of what is and what is not an oversized vehicle so that's one policy change the policy change is just changing the definition of oversized vehicle to make it more consistent with standard ideas of oversized Vehicles the other policy change um is just definitively stating that on street parking must be parallel parked parallel

parking that's kind of a no-brainer um but as the as Garen or chief breing ATT test in the parking world you have to assume that actually people do not have brains and so even though it is a no-brainer you you've got to be pretty pretty specific so that's the other policy change is just being clear that on street parking is parallel parking there are some other changes in the ordinance those are mostly housekeeping changes or consistency changes but the two policy changes are the definition of oversized vehicle and a requirement for all on street parking to be parallel parked so G Class A and Class C explain that to me please Tom would you mind explaining so so recreational vehicles RVs have have three different classes Class A B and C you failed I did I know so so a class a motor home is like the big motor coaches a Class C or kind of the smaller ones the ones that are like rent America that got the little cab over the driver so this is specifically specifically for RVs right it's it's semis don't so so in this definition we say an oversized vehicle is a class A or a Class C RV a box truck an RV and when we have a catch all that says anything else that's longer than 24 ft what we're specifically trying to exempt here are like SP Camper vans or Sprinter vans right um or even like lifted pickup trucks those all currently fall into our definition of oversized vehicle um and so we're trying to say no if you've got a sprinter van or a camp van or a big pickup truck you are not an overized vehicle just hopefully to provide a little more consistency in what oversized vehicle is so the one thing I I noticed um in that 24t length

and maybe it's self-explanatory it it doesn't make reference to whether it's a towed vehicle or just a single length vehicle so if it's over 24 ft whether if it's a trailer connected two vehicles it's just 24t yeah that's the intent is that it's it's the vehicle is the the main vehicle and anything that it's telling um so this is another issue where there's been like a little teeny sedan pulling a little teeny like toe Behind trailer and in the past that's been an oversized vehicle because our our definition says anything pulling a trailer is oversized well that's likely less than 24 ft right so that's not going to be oversized but certainly a pickup truck towing a a camper is going to be longer than 24t so that then is an oversized vehicle yeah we have a lot of motorcycles that po p trailers so by that definition too they wouldn't be able to park there so we're just kind of cleaning some of that up to make it a little a little more uh boundaries for the for the parking Department to not have to decipher so much and they're having issues with like Tom said with the the Sprinter bands and stuff because they would have to take a measuring stick or have a pole or have some way to measure that it's just impossible for them and that makes sense I think most people that have those don't really consider those oversized Vehicles no and that's one of the reasons if you remember from go we we made the the state law belief says 15 ft from a a driveway and we made it 30 we doubled it so that we kind of got we there were more areas to and that's why red mark those those uh curbs too so it gives people double the room to see out there and a lot of these vehicles are rented so I'm not sure that someone R anyone would know what size it is but they certainly would know what class it is because that'd be in their paperwork and their rental documents so yeah we'll probably look at because we'll have to

reprogram the machines and the the app um system that we're involved in and so there might be an opportunity to kind of um put some definition in there or try and give some or images would be good what's that images yeah we'll we'll see how that I don't know how that work work going a kiosk but yeah true other questions Tom or chief and again this is not doesn't have anything to do with the adjustments you made but on the document we're looking at now page four to five and it talks about uh exceptions and defenses 628 and this is just my own edification you can help me understand this help me understand it better um the car is registered and approved by town it's a resident and it says in B the vehicle is parked for 2 hours or less in a paid parking Zone in a 24-hour period does that does that jive with where's that um the parking PDF 25 20254 where it says residential parking Bas will allow permitted vehicles to park on streets designated as paid parking areas at no charge so which is it yeah good thank you for catching that that's that's that's a good catch our our current policy is that the residential permit is only good for two hours in a paid parking Zone and we're changing that later on with the parking policies that was an oversight not to change that here in the ordinance so that probably also should be taken out of this ordinance as well so have nothing to do with the disable thing from the paragraph before talk about disabled Vehicles no it's just another just a different exception to all right thank you y but but if you if the council makes a motion to approve this tonight you you may want to do it

with the clarification that um taking out this this this phrase here that's highlighted to take that out or include it take it out take out needs to come out the whole paragraph would come out right no because what this what this paragraph says is that you you're not you're not um in violating for parking in a paid parking Zone if you have a residential parking permit but this clarifier says oh but only for two hours okay we take so section B comes out yep exactly okay is there more discussion before we have a motion seems that nobody's opposed to this no I think it's good I think clarification for people I mean we've all discussed in the past like people come here uneducated or they lose their minds on the way whichever it is if we can simplify things to be more standardized and I think I think that's what this does yeah we took we took Jen and the parking Department put heads together to find out what wasn't working so that we could change and clean up those things so that's a lot what this is and one of the things that Randy and I learned in our meeting is that it's it's not just a simp simplify but if you look at the amount of work that's done by staff to to what's the word adjudicate is that the word you used about these it's all kind of the same issues so it will reduce the amount of time that staff has to spend on this drastically to eliminate a couple of these things yeah about this and the other conversation so anyone want to make a motion I think I hear Pat working on one I don't think so I got one you got one

okay just give me a second I craft that last Cort there thanks Karen okay um the Town Council has reviewed and approves ordinance 2025 D2 an ordinance revising the town's regulations for on street parking amending title 6 chapter 2 of the Springdale town code as discussed in the town council meeting on February 12 2025 with the following condition to remove the line in 62 6-28 exceptions and defenses it reads under sub article B the vehicle is parked for two hours or less in the paid parking Zone in the paid parking Zone in a 24-hour period and authorizes the May sign I think that makes sense yeah you said to strike that part yeah okay okay I I will second that the motion by Pat second by Kyla Jack i r Barb Pat Kyla I okay next item is a local consent request for a hotel retail alcohol license for insign Hospitality doing businesses High atpl Springdale Zion National Park located at 12:15 South Zion 12:15 Zion Park Boulevard in springell the applicant is Lance pson and the staff contact is Aaron Emerson so this is um a hotel license um request um sorry a hotel license allows a hotel to have three or more sub license within its premises boundaries if a hotel chooses to obtain a hotel license it's required to have a banquet as one of the sub licenses which includes room service um Lance pollon requests a local consent for a hotel license for nin Hospitality located at 12:15 Zion Park bu bevard and Springdale

his sulic requests are for banquet bar and restaurant so is this in that building itself because because their other restaurants are all on the Switchback right so they want to have one in this this building that will be high at place is that what this is about so actually um his request is actually for holiday in so you guys would not be able to approve this tonight so it'll be the yeah the holiday in Express here I I thought it said that they're switching the name of the holid okay yeah so he's in the holiday and sorry I'm sorry he's in the holiday and express and they're changing it to the highend yeah so it's it is the building it's the right building yes I'm sorry it is that building sorry for confusion okay so is this a is this a motion is that how we approve it yeah so if you guys choose to approve it you'll um need a motion to approve the local consent for the hotel license okay any discussion well I have a question we've never seen it before and maybe it's the way the business is but the Springdale Zion National Park uhhuh is that's that's just his doing business name so his um the legal entity name is the um IGN Hospitality okay does that I was making sure that we weren't trying to approve something for federal land that's like his doing business name okay okay thank you any other discussion before we have a motion show it's an Easy Motion somebody want to make it well I'll I'll do it okay you like you're a motion guy um the Town Council as the local

business licensing Authority has reviewed the local consent request on February 12th 2025 and gives consent to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission to consider the issuance of an on-premise retail alcohol license to enen hospitality LLC doing business as Hyatt Place Springdale Zion National Park to sore sell offer for sale furnish or allow the consumption of an alcohol product on the premise located at 1215 Zion Park Boulevard Springdale Utah to include the following sub licenses High Place banquet High Place bar hi Place restaurant under the following authorities usah code section 32 B-1 d202 32 b-5 d201 32 b-5 d203 32 b-5 d204 and 32 b-5 d206 and authorizes the mayor to sign I'll second motion by Pat second by Kyla Jackie randia barbar P KY someone trying to get in over there I don't that's it's just Garen yeah that's oh okay I thought it was Jeff okay um next item is review and possible approval of a contract for the Zion Regional Cooperative coordinator and that is Tom Dany uh yeah so um the town has U went in partnership with with our other Zan Regional collaborative Partners has contracted with a um independent contractor to serve as the zrc coordinator for the past several years um for a couple years we're able to do that to do that as a with the coordinator being a and um volunteer through the americore Vista intern program and then for the past three

years um we've contracted with that individual as an independent contractor um and so the council has approved a similar contract the previous three years so this is a request to um renew that contract for the coming year um the contract is is essentially the same as what you have approved in the previous three years um a couple of changes one is in the amounts of both the total compensation for the contractor and also for the town's portion of that compensation there's a slight decrease in the total compensation for the cont contractor that's because some of our funding Partners pulled out or or decreased their contributions um there's a slight increase in the town's contribution um last year we funded at $111,000 and this year our contribution is $1,680 um the other change in the in the contract is a new um requirement that the the zrc and the contractor will jointly develop measurable benchmark marks of success this is intended to um just provide some some kind of justification or or or some documentation of the contractor's work and and the progress that's being made towards achieving zrc objectives um just for the council's information the other funding Partners in the contract are the city of hurac the city of Lin Iron County the town of Virgin the town of Rockville and the Zion forever partnership project um any questions I do and I I'm um new to the party so help me out with what zrc actually does I mean what what what what are the boots on the ground things that we get out of it yeah so the so the Zion

Regional collaborative is a a a group of um local governments state agencies federal agencies and other interested parties in the Zion Corridor so that includes Springdale Rockville virgin Lin Huracan Washington County Iron County as well as the national park the Bureau of Land Management UDOT estate trust lands um and at at its um at its core the zrc is intended to be a venue for all those entities to gather and collaborate discuss and communicate on issues of regional significance so um whether it's um transportation issues or housing issues or resource issues visitation issues whatever the whatever issues impact that region as a whole that's what the zrc is intended to discuss the zrc is currently involved on on a number of projects um one is an update to the uh Zion Scenic byway Corridor management plan um the SR9 from Lin to the east entrance of the park was designated as a national Scenic byway that was in large part due to the work that the Z Regional collaborative has done over the past 15 years and now we're working on a quarter management Plan update um that would potentially extend that designation to mount carel Junction um the zrc is in partnership with the Utah office of outdoor recreation is working on um the uh environmental preliminary envir environmental work for improvements to the guacamole Mesa Trail head that's been an area that's caused some um impacts um because of the heavy use that that area is receiving that's caused some impacts to um some adjacent land owners the national park the town of Virgin um and so the zrc and partners um

collaborated to address that issue and and see if there's some resolution there um the there's the zrc is working well the Washington County right now is working on a multi-use trail from lerin to Springdale um the zrc was instrumental in getting funed fing for the initial design of that um Trail and then in securing $13 million for the construction of that trail um so those are the kinds of projects that the zrc so so so basically they they they plan a lot but there's not a whole lot of meat in the in the sandwich basically right I mean we're not I understand that we need to do these things and I'm not trying to throw uh spike strips in front of the speeding car beef um but I just want to understand it's not a lot of money I realize 11 to 12,000 bucks $25 person here in town but for instance the scenic byway thing it looks like zrc has applied for it several years in a row and never gets it so and I realize I going to try again and it looks like the plan is if if zc gets the funding they'll spend so many hours working on this if they don't get the funding they're going to spend so many I was working on getting the funding so I'm having a little trouble figuring out what what I understand these are all valid reasons to be involved but just point to one thing for instance they talk about this archaeological assets and natural assets and the quality of visitor experience I realize that's all one big ball wax um but but when I read the job description a lot of emails a lot of reports a lot of meetings and a lot of potatoes but no meat yeah so so great great question um

and so some of the tangible on the ground results that the zrc has been you you are right there is a lot of planning and a lot of a lot of the projects that are now coming to fruition are the result of those long that that considerable amount of planning like this multi-use Trail that's coming from Lin to Springdale um that I mean that was a result of a lot of of planning um and the zrc was instrumental in making that happen the transit service from St George to Springdale um was in large part due to the efforts of the Zion Regional collaborative the zrc was was instrumental in getting the $15 million of funding to make that project happen um so it is a lot of a lot of planning those are some of the tangible results um and in addition um there's value in in in the process itself um there's there's value in getting together frequently with our neighboring um governmental agencies um and and other partners to collaborate to communicate um one of the things that the the zc does we we meet four times a year in a in a workshop um and big portion of that Workshop is devoted purely to what are called stakeholder updates where um each entity gets a few minutes to say here's what's going on here's why it's important to us and here are the things that could impact you and those those updates have been really really valuable in letting all the various Partners in the region um be aware of what other entities are working on and and to identify possible areas for collaboration so yeah I your your point is is very well taken um path that it is a lot of planning it's a lot of meetings it's a lot of communication and and and

that's what the coordinator does that's that is the job description um in order to to to make the zrc function that's that's kind of a a necessary part so it's totally up to the council as to whether or not that's a wise investment or not well I think it would have been nice at least for me to have the person that's getting this money to be here I hate to put you on the spot to answer these questions it would have been nice is it Emily I think is that her name would have been nice to have her here so I could ask her directly um especially with these Grant she's or zrc has applied for didn't get them two years in a row I presume they they applied for the again in December when it opened up I mean is this going to be strike three or I mean is there how do we know yeah and that's that's that's a good point you're you're talking about the scope of work at the end of the contract yeah and and and and I I I will I will take take take uh take a a lashing for for that um this when when Emily put this together I asked her to update this and and she's just used a previous year template um and and yes I I probably should have done a better job of saying well no give us give us don't just I don't think it's on you a retread but but um yeah so a lot of these grants have been approved like this um the the guacamole guacamole Mesa Trail that has been approved yeah that that's that's the that's the um environmental clearance work for the guacamole Mesa Trail Head project that I talked about the scenic byway quarter management plant Grant that's been approved so the it's it's just that this this scope of work template um that that's attached to the contract has not been updated to reflect that and Pat you really should plan on attending one of these quarterly meetings well I I Tom about this months ago about when these

meetings are I didn't wasn't asking to see if I could attend uh just if there were minutes or some kind of documents about what was talked about and where it's at I'd like to go to one just to see what happens there are and that may help me get a better handle on it I'm inclined to vote no on this only because I don't understand enough about it so Jack and I are the two council members that are assigned to zrc we both attend these so if you want to attend one one of us would would not attend that meeting so we didn't have a quorum there but um it's it's a it's a monthly call it's a quarterly workshop and it's where I learn a lot about what the communities down river are doing so for example the development at the top of the lerin twist I wouldn't know anything about that if we weren't in this meeting collaborating and talking about what's going on that might impact others um the money that we pay is for Emily's salary as an independent contractor this group existed before we had a professional um administrator so to speak and it would exist after I believe Tom right we would still get together and talk about what's going on and try to do things that are good for the quor so for example the guacamole trail head that came out of the trails committee which has um Been instrumental in in getting a lot of our Trails but um that the guacamole Trails the biking trails those are illegal trails and it's really doing a lot of damage up there so that's something that's really good for the corridor to make that legal to potentially put a a restroom in to eliminate the camping which is a lot of a pro the problem up there for the locals that on the land so zrc things does things like that yeah okay yeah and I think if we think about the 13 million for the trail 15 million for transportation I don't know what the

tag what the number um was for guacamole or the scenic byway 300 something thousand okay lots of money we obviously don't have as IM municipality and so I think even though you might have to try more than once for a grant I mean the worst thing they can tell you is no and then you if they allow you to try again I think it's worth it in my opinion these wheels that that she's trying to turn or that the zrc is trying to turn are huge and they don't move as quickly as they we would like them to like we can see in small government because she's working with Federal lands and County and a lot of things so I think maybe you are seeing that there is a lot of slogging to get a little bit of result but the result is there over time they're doing good work valuable work they're finding money that we don't have and you know are benefiting from especially I I think that that guacamole is at least nationally known I don't know but I also know it's very locally known and used a lot by locals and nobody likes to see it torn up so Tom I have a question for you so the in the scope of work the um task priorities that it says for 2024 should it be 2025 yes and and that that's to to to Pat's Point as well this the the scope of work that um was in included was kind of a retread and I didn't do a good enough job with Emily to make sure that got updated and so we could make that change tonight though yep yeah I'll make a stab at a motion okay if we're ready I moved to

approve the independent contractor agreement between the time of Springdale and the Zion Regional collaborative coordinator um in accordance with the scope of work oh in uh in accordance with the scope of work uh for 2025 rather than 2024 in the amount of $1,680 and direct this uh mayor to sign I'll second motion by Jack second by Kyla Jacky randia Barbara I will I will say I um before the mayor spoke and and Kyler spoke I would have been an A but I'm an I now uh Kyla I okay next item is review and possible approval of standard forms of agreements with UDOT and private property owners maybe before I do this now that now that um Jeff is here what's the appropriate time for us to let him give his report you can do it at the end okay yeah with C you good with that Jeff okay so I'm sorry review and possible approval of standard forms of agreements with UDOT and private property owners regarding landscape improvements in the UDOT WR of way and the staff contact is shown as N I suspect Tom will take care of this yes thank you um so um there are a number of properties throughout the town where the the back of the U rway and the front of the actual property um don't neatly line up with like say the back of the curb or the back of the gutter or or something and so there's a little bit of um like no man's land um that UDOT does not maintain um and and as a town we don't

we don't go out and actively kind of manicure or landscape that area so it just kind of is no man's land we encourage private property owners to to maintain and and Landscape that area that's between the front of their property within the UDOT rideway adjacent to the back of the sidewalk um just to to make sure that it looks nice and is and is beautified um in the and and and we we've been doing that for for for a long long long time and you know 20 years ago that was just kind of done informally where a property owner would would take it upon themselves to go and Landscape that area um as we've as we've gotten a little bit more sophisticated we we said well no you you can't just go and Landscape that area you have we have we've got to go through a process with this and so we've developed a process where every time a property owner wants to landscape the portion of the ud rway that's adjacent to their property Frontage we um first of all enter into agreement an agreement between UDOT and the town where UDOT says yes town of Springdale you can landscape this area and town of Springdale you are responsible for it and then we turn around and enter into an agreement with the private property owner that says well actually you private property owner are responsible for this landscape and you are responsible for maintaining it so that way the area gets landscaped it's maintained um and the property owner who is adjacent to that Landscaping Bears the maintenance responsibility so it's an agreement with UDOT to the town and then the town to the private property owner and we do this with every single private property um that wants to landscape in the right way um UDOT recently approached us and said we're getting a little bit tired of all these agreements that you are bringing to us why don't we just do a master agreement for the whole town so this is what's on your agenda tonight is a master agreement for the whole town that essentially says okay town of Springdale anywhere that's in the right

of way beyond the back of curb or back of sidewalk or edge of pavement where there is no curb or side block that you want to landscape you can do that under the terms of this contract we have to maintain it we're responsible for it if UD do ever needs it they're going to take the landscape out all those things that are spelled out in the contract um and then we will continue to enter into individual agreements with each private property owner as they want to landscape in front of their properties um so in your in your in your um meeting materials tonight there are actually three different agreements one is the ud m Master landscape maintenance agreement that's the agreement that um if you are are in agreement we suggest you approve and authorize the mayor to sign there's a second agreement called an addendum to the master landscape maintenance agreement that you don't need to authorize the mayor to sign tonight because that's only used in unique situations where there is some reason why we would need to amend the master agreement I don't know what they are we don't know you know but but we have that that template now that if we ever needed if there was ever anything a special circumstance where we needed to amend the master agreement with UDOT we have that template so that's just you're you're just approving the standard form of that agreement tonight we're not using it you don't need to authorize the mayor to sign that the third document that's in your um in your packet meeting materials is the agreement between the town and the private property owners this is the form that we've already been using um and it's again it's the it's the agreement that essentially says Hey as a town we've entered into an agreement with UD do we're responsible but we're just shifting that responsibility for this maintenance of this landscape to you private property owners again you don't need to authorize the mayor to sign that tonight um that's

just in your packet material so you can approve the general form of that agreement and then we'll use that as needed on on a Case uh on a site specific basis as these Property Owners want to landscape the RightWay in front of their properties and you're using this last one now that's correct when people want to landscape and is there how do you make sure they're maintaining that Landscaping like they agreed to do is there a program for that is it just a code enforcement officer or how is that done yeah it's a code it's a code enforcement thing um okay so far there there have not been instances where where someone who we have an agreement with has not maintained their landscape but if there were we have the agreement in place which would then allow us to go in and say no you've got to maintain this landscape okay so this uh since this is a benefit to the town we don't charge the land owner or anything for this right for processing this agreement we do we do not and do we see what they're planning to do before we sign it do they they like any other project they show as a rendering of what they're have in mind or something that is correct yep okay good it if the property owner changes that's when you would sign a new version of this or does it the the agreement is binding on successors and assigns okay and so if the property changes hands then that agreement is still binding on the property okay so there would really be no need to like now that we have a different or we would be approving a different process tonight you don't have to go back and redo anything thing that's correct okay because okay F Thomas I read this a property owner does not have to landscape that

area right that's correct it's completely voluntary right thank you other questions if a property owner is in this situation do they already know it most likely or do they just kind of Discover it and then come to you so so like I said historically a lot of property owners have just done this because because they want to right um and and and that's fine we're not going back and and saying hey property owner you've got Landscaping in the right way now you're responsible for it this is mainly used when properties are being developed okay and they come to us and they say hey we want to we want we want to landscape this right away then we say great here's the process that you go to but yeah there are many many many properties all throughout town that already have landscape in in the right way and we're not requiring them to go back and sign this okay okay anything else we have a motion go ahead P all right the Town Council is reviewed and authorizes the town to enter into the proposed Master landscape maintenance agreement with UD do is it okay to use just the ud do okay uh as discussed the town council meeting February 12th 2025 and authorizes the mayor to sign I'll second I think we need to approve the other two contracts too don't we Tom not authorizing me to sign but we need to approve the form yeah it would be nice just to get have the council approve the form of those other two documents okay all right then how about this further the Town Council adopts to private Landover an agreement template as discussed in the town

council meeting February 12th 2025 does that work and also the addendum addendum the third one or the yeah the addendum yeah the the addendum to the master landscape uh maintenance agreement right I accept that as an amend okay and I still second Okay so we've got a motion by pad and a second by Kyla Jack I Randy Barbara t i Kyla I okay next item is a resolution review and possible approval of resolution 2025-the for the confusion on on uh the packet material associated with this item um I I just really want to go through these changes really quick just to make because of that confusion just to make sure that everybody is on up to speed on what the changes to this PO to to this policy are um so the the first the the first chunk of changes have to do with changes to the fee structure for on street parking um we are propos currently the fee structure is you you pay for an all day rate based on what parking Zone you're in those rates vary however there is an option for hourly parking up to two hours the proposal is to remove the option for hourly parking so you're either going to but but in its place to put in a halfday option that halfday option is only available after 1 p.m so you can pay an all day rate or you can pay a half day rate after 1 p.m. so that if you pay the all day rate in the [Music] morning never mind you can leave early

don't it doesn't matter but but if you park before 1 p.m. you pay the all day rate period okay exactly um and and we're also proposing a slight increase to the all day rate from what they are from what those rates are now um as as explained in in the staff report um you know Revenue generation is not our primary motivation for the the parking program um and in general um in in in best practices not Springdale but other communities on street parking is actually priced higher than off street parking um in Springdale the that the situation is reversed where most off Street lots are priced higher than our on Street Lots the reason you want on street parking to be higher than off street is to encourage people to go park off Street um so these fee increases still will make make on street parking the the less expensive option compared to off street parking but we do want to to raise that just to to be a little bit more consistent with what off street parking costs um and then the last change to the fee structure is that we're proposing to remove offseason off peak season rates um So currently from December 1st to um March 1st parking is 50% reduced for offse season rates um with shoulder Seasons increasing and particularly holiday seasons um seeing some really Peak visitation um we feel like there's no longer a need or a reason why we would have off Peak parking um rates so those are the changes to the fee structure the second set of changes proposed are to the residential parking permit program um so as we T talked about earlier um right now with a residential parking permit you can park in a residental parking Zone all day

long and in a paid parking Zone for 2 hours we're proposing to remove that 2hour limitation so you can park all day in a paid parking zone so that's one change um the other another change is that we're proposing that uh vehicles that have a residential parking permit will be allowed to park in the River Park parking lot all day long currently there's a 2-hour parking limit for all vehicles we're proposing to remove that 2-hour limit for residential parking permits only all other vehicles will still be subject to the 2-hour limit at the River Park um and then there's a couple of uh kind of administrative changes to the park residential parking permit one is that we're just clarifying that there is an annual renewal of those permits if you are a Springdale utility account holder that renewal is automatic um if not then you then then you have to provide ongoing documentation that you are still a spring res resident um and the other change is that we will be accepting rental agreements as proof of residency currently we accept a utility bill um or a Springdale utility account and we're also adding now um a rental agreement so the changes to the to the residential parking permit and then the last change with this parking policy is changes to our event permit parking um if if you're hosting an event in Springdale you can purchase on street parking to supply parking for that event the change here is that we're putting in a clause that says we get to we have some discretion on how much parking is made available through these event uh event permit event parking permits so for example somebody couldn't come in on Memorial Day and say Hey I want an event permit to purchase all of the parking online Boulevard because

we're going to need that parking on Memorial Day so at the parking Department's discretion they can um limit how much parking is available to the organizer of an event through the event parking permit so those are the changes in the parking policy and again I apologize for the confusion on getting that information to you earlier that last part answered the question I was going to ask so thank you I I do have a question though on um on the rates it's saying parking lot owners May establish rates for the paid parking within their lot however the maximum rate and all street parking area May charge is 91% of the rate of on street of on street parking this is uh yeah I don't see a page number on this but yeah this this is for the um for standards it's under the standards yeah this is the the Springdale shared juice parking policy up there so are we have um yeah it's right there so rates right down there yeah right there so the um people that own parking lots have they commented on this have we got any feedback on this because we're basically telling them what they can charge so so this is we we offer a program where um if someone has a parking lot and they want us to manage the parking the paid parking in that lot we can do that got it so where we're not managing where somebody has they can charge whatever they want that's correct got it okay and and we can tell them no we're not going to manage it right yeah yes yeah it's it's it's discretionary

between both the town and the private property owner okay why is the parking so cheap on Lion Boulevard so we want to encourage people to park on Lion Boulevard to get that parking congestion off of SR9 and soon as possible so we want that to be the first parking that fills up it's not unfortunately but but that's the theory is that make that cheap so that people are incentivized to park there that makes sense and not on SR9 got so I think where we're going to get feedback is on eliminating the one and two hour parking options can you talk a little bit about that Garen about why we're doing that and yeah we have a lot of um we get a lot of feedback that people think they can come and do the park in two hours and it's just not obviously not feasible at all not even on a good day so we're having a lot of um issues with that it's I think there's some confusion whether it's being used and whether it's not and it's the it really is Handy for the parking Department because they can go out and test the machine for the 1 hour but other than that I think we're paying ourselves a lot more than than uh than what we're getting but I think we're we're finding more citations that are coming out of those because people think they can do the park or even walk completely through or take the shuttle clear through town in an hour it's not and they're protesting more often right so so I'm a visitor I pay for two hours and I stay all day and then I say oh I didn't mean to so you can can I just pay you the day rate and ends up a lot of the kios for sure make it impossible to add time because after the two hours you end up paying for the whole day because there's no there's no other option to do that so those are really the three options there are a lot of people that go in and and not they'll hit the one hour and think that they paid for full day too so there's some confusion in it I feel like will you say that again so

there's there's no option more than two hours it goes to all day yeah yeah right now and like on some parking apps you can go oh I'm actually going to stay longer I'll update it right right now M so you're out and about and you realize you're about to get a bump up to your parking time so you could go on the app and extend it and here we don't have that option and a lot of people don't have service it's a point because we don't have service that was one of the big things when we started the parking program we didn't do it is because the service in the park is is limited yeah and um we didn't really have a really great Avenue six or s or eight years ago there there is the machines do offer a an app that it's a flowbird app and they're used all over the world because there's a lot of apartment complexes that use that system and so they're already involved in that but if they're just coming here to visit they have to sign up for it and that's kind of why we went to this pilot program to kind of get away from the the signing up for the app and the signing up for that system and all that kind of thing so yes and we found we made the parking stops at 5:00 we actually made the tickets say 5:00 p.m. we had people running to their cars thinking they were going to get tow at 5 but the we just don't enforce after 5:00 p.m. so we actually had to take change that to either all day or 1000 p.m. or whatever they say on the on the ticket now just so we didn't have people panicking trying to get out of the park so there is a lot of um learning curves with the the people that just aren't familiar with you know any any parking um departments the way they do things anyway so I think taking the $1 and $2 thing is really going help us in the long run and just simplify the whole process simplifies the whole thing and then like Tom said after one you can pay for half the day and we talked about as a as a group we talked about okay can we do half day and a full day so that they can cut of decide but I think we'll run into the same problem people think they can they're going to go to the park for

half the day and they're just not going to be able to do it and they're they're going to come out with a $60 ticket or or whatever that on top of what they've already paid and they're not going to be able to get out of that because of how how so is meter set up that when somebody comes in say at 10 o'clock they don't get the half day option well it gets the full day option yeah they'll get the full day option okay so the software is set up that way it will be once we yeah all right got it if we approve this so the parks pass sorry the parks pass stuff will be really easy that the one that we're piloting that one they're they're really easy the machines will be a little more clunky to get because we'll want to put the wording that we talked about with motor homes and something clever um with with those um oversized vehicle things and get this in there all in one swoop because it costs money to reprogram them all and the shoulder season as Tom talked that was the other thing was we're doing the same amount of work in those couple of months and for 50% of the the rate we're not really gaining any traction and nobody really even cares then we just have a bunch of 50 cents or $1 that they end up having the same issue they can't do the park or anything things on an hour so if we we quit charging at five yeah um what's the parking meter doing at 5 like it doesn't it doesn't yeah it doesn't accept anything after 5m. somebody asked me that I was like I don't know but I'm assuming we don't take your payment they don't um they will um the parking program starts at 6: am I think it'll take it before that so if people come in at 4: or 5 in the morning they can pay for the full day okay while they're while they're on site okay I have two other questions if now's okay Barbara I know you were going to say something okay um I noticed in the staff report that it says that residents can

park on SR9 can they not park on Lion Boulevard thank you that it it it yes they can park on Li bouard it should say in any paid parking Zone okay that that that's what the policy says just in the staff report I said SR9 I should have parking Zone I couldn't find the correlation in the policy but I wanted to make sure I understood um and then like a situational kind of question um if you have a resident parking pass you could park on werland is that right I don't want to state that and be wrong if I well certain certain parts of certain parts of Wonderland from Wonderland between paradise and lion okay so if that's available and if I'm a resident and I'm going to go ask for my you know six um parking permits because I'm hosting a party or something would my guest be allowed to park on Wonderland or my guest have to go to SR9 or lion Boulevard through the residential parking permit program right yeah either one they can park they can park a resident the the res the the event the you're you're talking about like the the private party event permits yeah yeah they act just like a residential permit they can park either on a residential permit street or in a paid parking Zone okay thank you what I was going to comment on Tom used a good analogy when we're talking if you're a skier you know that you can go you can pay for a whole day or a half day but you can't go at 10:00 a.m. and say want to buy a half day cuz I'm only skiing till 2: if you're there before one you pay for a full day and if you get there after one they'll sell you a half day so it's that same it just keeps it simple for the user and the

town um sorry point of clarification I what I said is what I meant but what's written is what's written so just just to clarify to on Kyla's last question this is an instance where SR9 is specifically specifically specifically called out um and it should change it should change where was where is that Rick oh I lost it oh here it is it is um so it says private event parking permits allow parking on residential Streets On The Deep which they are issued as well as two free hours of parking on SR9 on the date for which they're issued that that should say two free hours of paid parking in a paid parking zone so that that is the one instance Kyla where where the policy does say Sr 9 and it should say paid parking Zone okay so that should say as well as two free hours of parking in any paid parking Zone that is correct yeah okay Edie okay know any other discussion um I will say I really um appreciate kind of a little more leniency with the resident parking permit um it's not something I personally use or have experience with go figure I don't park my car but um after I said that I was like well that's a that was no tickets for you no tickets for me um but I I could imagine that it would be really nice to just be able to park at the River Park and not have to worry about my 2hour limit or you know

whatever the circumstance may be so I do really appreciate the um committee working on that and and giving a little more leniency to the residents I think that's a good a good plan to be fair they have to go on and register the vehicle because believe it or not the parking Department doesn't know everybody's car in town it's impossible so they don't you know who I am I know so they do rely on their equipment to tell them that so it's it's very important that they register the vehicle in into the program so yes and that's good because the way I read this if you're a house and you have a Adu your Adu people don't have to use year two allotted permits am I right you they could show their rental agreement and get their own right yeah your Adu people can get theirs yeah the the policy says each dwelling unit gets two parking permits so an Adu being a separate dwelling unit can have two parking permits that's great well thought out believe it or not not everybody in town listens to these meetings so I wonder if we want to put a little blurb in the newsletter that that tells people that it's now free all day but they do have to have their car registered I think it'd be good to to do a here's an announcement here's how we're changing things here's how we're making it easier for you okay in an email or something yeah maybe not everything newslet would be great than just that one thing but we haven't approved it yet so we need a motion first to approve it before we write that newsletter article can't get ahead of ourselves I'll go for the Grand Slam if you want we have a recalcitrant council tonight all right I'm here the Town Council is reviewed you going to do it no go ahead I mean I'll second you I've got your back

all in favor the Town Council has reviewed and approved resolution 20254 a resolution of the Springdale Council updating the town's parking policies and replaces any prior versions of such policy including resolutions 2018-06 and 2018-16 as discussed in the town council meeting February 12th 2025 with the following conditions and I'm going to have to jump back and forth here under private residents sponsored event sub section 4 it should Now read private event parking permits allow parking at residential streets for the date on which they are issued period no or do we as well as as well as two free hours in any Zone all in any in any paid parking Zone yeah and authorizes a mayor sign I'll second it oh good Jack beat me too so motion by Pat second by Jack Jack i r Barbara I Pat I Kyla I okay thank you next item is a resolution review and possible approval of resolution 20255 revising public art policies related to the composition of the art review board staff contact is Tom Dany and Jack May chime in here too um yeah so we currently have an art review board and the art review board is charged with making recommendations to the Town Council and Planning Commission about the display of public art and murals the board right now is composed of two council members and then a rotating um three rotating seats that are selected um one council member two

per it's composed of one council member two two per members and one rotating member it's composed of one council member two perent members and two rotating members who's on first Aaron will you just tell me what it is tell us it's five people basically we're we're proposing changing it to five permanent members regardless of what it is right now going to change it to five permanent members um and and the reason being is is the rotated members have been difficult to find um and so having five permanent members allows some predictability of of who's on the board um and and and makes it easier for scheduling gives it more consistency to the to the board so that's what this change is is just changing the makeup of the art review board to be five um five permanent members the you you may be aware as a council that the planning commission has also been recommending some changes to the mural the the section of this policy that um deals with murals there are this particular resolution does not address those mural standards at all the only the the only intent of this resolution is to change the composition of the art review board um it is anticipated that then that art review board as one of their first actions will look at the planning commission's recommendations for mural policies and then bring a recommendation back to you for those policies so that's not there's no changes made to those mural policies tonight um you you don't need to talk about those mural policies tonight that will be coming to you later the only change tonight is with regards to the composition of the art review board um so that it is comprised of five permanent

members okay and then we'll be making these appointments of the members but the council member is Jack will continue to be Jack questions I do Wonder are all of these people willing I know we're not specifically talking about members yet but I mean they're all like yes kind of like commission we've even okay except he'll want to be paid who who even is that how did you who is that yeah M no I'm just kidding who is um the other question I have had was about like the logistics of all of these terms expire at the same time and obviously that has to happen because they're all appointed at the same time would how do we avoid that happening because at being on a commission or a board I find a lot of value in the people who have come before me and having some wisdom on the dis so my only concern would be that all of these people seem to would be rolling off at the same time which would mean all new people would be coming on all at the same time and that's that's a little bit concerning to me but I don't know how you would change it yeah so so you could um well um you you could make like two of the terms tonight onee terms three year terms or threeyear terms and then then you'd have alternating terms I the way the policy is written um it it it um has a two-year term on it um but it there's a clause that then says which can be renewed with the

consent of the Town Council so I think the the idea was that we wanted a short enough term that it wouldn't be intimidating to someone to sign up for but hopefully once they get signed up and they realize that this art review board meets like maybe once or twice a year then they're like oh yeah I can do that and and then we can just renew members um and so it's not as if we're having to find five new members every two years okay so that was the hope but if if if you're concerned about that then you could just um stagger some of those terms and you know make some of them one year or two years or two years or three years okay I think that's a really good catch Kyla um I suspect that and this is not this is not um about these it's not personal about these people but I suspect some people will their circumstances will change and they'll leave early and then someone new will come on with a new two-year term or whatever so we can either make that change tonight I think Jack they're probably all expecting a two-year term at this point right m y yeah and I would feel really bad about saying well I want you know Short Straw this person gets the one-year term if really they are interested in doing a two-year term so I guess we can just go with the fact that life happens and maybe some people will leave early and or others would be interested in continuing on since it isn't two Wednesdays a month or we could appoint two of these people to three years but they haven't had that conversation so I don't know how appropriate that would I would kind of hate to change that after getting a commitment from them for two yeah so so no I I think that's a I agree with that and it's a valid point but I think the idea is that most of these people want to continue to do it so I think we're going to be covered that

way um so you know which you know some people might want to get off after two years and that's fine but I think most of them would probably do it for longer Al I think we ought to make old tuggers until 2037 well he was the one I was going to extend longer yeah exactly if if you do that though he's going to he's going to want back pay for he is's he's going to add that to an amendment so just a quick question on uh the process to actually appoint members how does that happen we're going to do that next at our next meeting no I think that's why they're all listed like we have to go through we'll do that after we to approve Kathy for our review board with a term expiring yeah yeah but first we need to approve the resolution changing the composition of the board to five permanent members Jack I have a quick question it's just so I can understand this that when when it talks in here about if it's going to be a sculpture you pick people that that know that particular that's kind of how it was so so you I mean I presume you have a pool of people draw from it's not like you're have to go find people to do this right I mean you know who these people might be yeah okay it'll be these five people it'll be these five people that okay I'll make a motion if we're ready we're ready okay I move to approve resolution [Music] of the art review board um and do I direct the mayor to sign yes yes okay direct the mayor to sign I'll second

motion by Kyla second by Randy Jack I Randy barbar ey Pat I Kyla I okay next is appointment of Lisa Benham as an art Review Board member with the term expiring February 2027 I think Lisa is a great choice and I will make um a motion to approve Lisa Benham as an art Review Board member with a term expiring February 2027 second motion by Kyla second by Randy Jack I Randy Barbara I Pat I uh Kyla I okay next is appointment of Kathy lefave as an art Review Board member with the term expiring February 2027 as so move yeah I'll second motion by Randy second by Kyla Jacky randia Barbara Pat i k okay next is appointment of Mike Tucker as an art Review Board member with the term expiring February 2027 I wish you were here I'll move to approve mic do I need to say more or can we just go with that I think you're supposed to say he's a great choice he's a great choice sounds so for as long as it's sand and grael I don't I don't know him well enough but the mayor told me so I don't know if I should say it or I'll second okay so motion by Kyla second by Jack Jack I Ria Barbara Pat I Kyla I and last but certainly not least another good choice appointment of Jim Walsh as an art Review Board member with the term expiring February 2027 I'll move to approve Jen Walsh is that just wait did I just say his last name right yes okay I'll second motion by second by Jack Jack I Randy barbar Pat I Kyla I okay and we will now have an update on

Zion National Park from superintendent brba if he's still willing and able it's been a rough three weeks hasn't it thank you for your service yeah sorry I'm late um as you know there is a a turmoil in Washington these days um seems like late afternoon every weekday we get something else and so we had something to deal with this afternoon um quick update um just on visitation as you know we had great weather in January and uh visitation reflects that compared to January of last year Year we're up 235% um for a total of 151,939 we had 100,000 visitors so 50% increase there and again January dece well December January February are really kind of all over the board depending on the weather but the trend generally is still um up couple projects going on uh South Campground Rehabilitation is going fullbore um contractors um getting in some good days because we don't have any precipitation um hopefully that's going to change tomorrow evening we'll see

um working on a um small um dam removal up at the Temple of Caba there's an old water line that that crosses the river up there it's only a couple feet high um but it is a barrier to fish movement so we're removing that um as we speak uh the emerald pools um Trail bridge um we're hoping get it started um last week um the river is not quite cooperating we're getting um some erosion in some uh locations that um that cause us to to shift that placement of the um the abutment for the for the pier where the bridge will be um will sit so uh we're making those adjustments that's going to push things back a few weeks probably so are you guys planning on just picking that bridge up and putting it on the new that's the plan okay yeah New Foundations one of the tricky things is getting a a crane up there um but I think we have that figured out anyway but yeah um happy to entertain any questions uh there's a lot of concern about employment seasonal Staffing and all those kinds of things so if I can answer any questions be happy to do that what was the final visitation number for 2024 4.9 million my question was going to be about Staffing and like I know it's shifting all the time and and you don't know what tomorrow brings but do you feel like you have enough to run

summer with with changes that you might be seeing in your sta yeah right now we don't quite know um and we're doing some contingency planning uh the Park Service had to send a seasonal Staffing plan to the office of personnel management which is part of the White House Administration um we've had we actually um um hired a number of people and and um their job offers were rescinded and so far only one of those positions has been reinstated so um have been working with um uh Senator Lee's office has been working um with OPM to try to get that um Park Service seasonal uh hiring plan approved uh we've been told that it's approved um but it nothing is filtering down yet so we we we're hopeful but we also don't know what criteria they're using um this is one of the problems that we're having there is no communication up and down uh the chain of command and um all of us superintendants in this region meet with our regional directorate um twice a week week and um tomorrow we have another meeting and we'll see if we find out anything but they're in the dark as well um so there's a lot of confusion a lot of concern be very very very difficult for us to operate without our seasonal staff as you can imagine I mean we hire well

over 100 seasonal staff so um that's one issue we have a general hiring freeze for any positions um across the federal government right now and um as I said every day something else comes out so um there's a a general um um direction that um Federal Staffing will be significantly reduced and again we don't know exactly what that means so have you lost any permanent employees from the cuts um where we are right now um um two weeks ago um a program was put out uh for deferred resignations which has no basis in law that I can find but um employees would be allowed to to resign um in anticipation that their position may be eliminated or they could be reassigned or uh some other administrative action taken um I think some of our employees um have applied for that uh those will have to be approved and um we don't have any direct knowledge right now of exactly who um applied for that okay this is part of the problem um we at the field level and even at the regional level don't really have um good information other than if the

employees have told us and in some cases they have and uh you know we appreciate that um what's happening is is um our our midlevel career employees are kind of caught in a in a difficult position they're not eligible for early retirement which was part of this uh deferred resignation package and so what do they do and uh obviously many of us are are you know waiting to see what the next shoot is that drops did you see the ruling this afternoon yes I did that's why I was late which is that um the a judge has determined that they can go ahead with that with that program uh but they immediately Clos the program to new applicants so anybody who's submitted so far will be able to get the buy out okay if it's approved Yeah by some level of the organization yeah there are still quite a few lawsuits going on too about it's probably going to get appealed um but um by the time it could get through an appeal process I think you know the that shoe has dropped probably so and when will you know who and how many of your employees have applied for that do you know again if they've told us then we're aware um but it has to go yeah it's there's not a top down or a bottom up approach to this and so um if an employee has applied for it um the agency which right now seems

to be at the department of interior level in Washington would have to approve that based on some criteria that we're unaware of other than we expect that that um folks that are in um Public Safety positions may or may not get approved okay um again that depends on um how they're looking at those positions you know national security positions would not get approved for example but you know is a public safety position at our level really National Security probably not so um the these are all the things we're trying to work um on finding out and um spending a lot of time with employees to try to help them navigate uh you know what um what benefits uh might be available to them whether or not they're eligible for severance all those kinds of things so yeah sorry for the long answer it'll be interesting to see the economic rle out of this today I had my first cancellation of some people who were going to stay seven nights in May and they specifically said they were cancelling because they were concerned there wouldn't be Park employees I suspect there's going to be more cancellations yeah and one of the things that that we fear is there's a legal process that that um we've gone through over the course of my career several times to do a reduction in force and it's based on agency criteria um uh what we need at the field level those kinds of things my concern with

the way this is shaking out right now is you know if we have two water plant operators and they're both gone what do we do or if we lose you know our Co core law enforcement staff what do we do so um there are those kinds of things where we're trying to provide input up the line but um it kind of runs into a brick wall so sorry for the gloom and doom well it will it will affect us all but on a similar note how is powder doing they're doing great okay yeah they're ready yeah they've been ready I mean they were ready on 10:1 a.m. uh January 1 they they really have gotten with it um doing a great job we're working on some improvements at the lodge as we speak so yeah you're doing really well okay thank you yep thanks thanks anything else if not I'll inter entertain a motion to adjourn I move move we adjourn I'll second motion by Randy second by Kyla Jack i r barbar Pat KY on that positive not