Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I'd like to call to order the August 6th, 2026 meeting of the Spring Hill Planning Commission. If everyone will rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. All right, thank you. Amy, roll call.

Mr. Nace? Mr. Earhart?

Here.

Ms. Jones? Mr. Arevalo? Here. Ms. Burgmeier? Here. Mr. Sly? Ms. Squire? Here. Mr. Morse?

Here.

Chair, we have a quorum.

OK, great. All right, next I will accept a motion to approve the agenda.

So moved.

Second. All right, all in favor of approving the agenda, say aye. Aye. All opposed, same. Okay, motion carries. All right, so the next section on our standard agenda is citizen participation. So this is an opportunity for citizens to talk about anything not on the agenda. You can talk about things on the agenda too if you want. We do have two public hearings today. So there will also be citizen participation during those public hearings, but if you want to speak now, you can. We have one person signed up, Steve Laughlin. Do you want to come to the front and please just state your name and address once you get to the microphone? And then Amy will buzz you after five minutes.

My name is Steve Laughlin. I live at 19125 West 183rd Street, directly across the street from this rezoning on this plot. My concerns about this at Spring Hill's planning for the area north of Spring Hill is more of a first come first serve Wild West mentality. For example, we got loaded up with all the businesses east or west of the railroad tracks. My house, my street today is a highway for concrete trucks, cement trucks, semi trucks, RVs because of that marvelous RV storage unit we have. And by rezoning this property, Bringing this number of residents into this neighborhood on a street that has no clear artery to get up get to get out I cannot comprehend The traffic issues that are going to develop from this it worries me it's bad now This could be a disaster the whole neighborhood for a mile and a half through we are talking homes on two to five ten acres and Would like to see the neighborhood keep its character rather than having hundreds of homes crammed into this piece of real estate The other issue is I think I'm going to educate some people here That that property is in a flood zone I'm gonna I've lived out there since 1989 in the early 90s wet weather and The water that ran down through this farm engulfed 183rd Street for 100 to 150 feet, not once in the 90s, time after time. There were four houses down at the creek on 183rd Street and one at the creek on Ridgeview Road. They continually got flooded. The county came in and put in two new bridges. trying to make a bigger throat to try to get the water through. It didn't work. Next big rain, through the wet period of the 90s, it all flooded again, and the county turned around and bought all five houses. They've all been moved out. The closest one is at the northeast corner of 183rd and Ridgeview. That house used to be down by the creek on Ridgeview. So we cleared it out with the problems. Now if we develop this ground, you're gonna have however many hundreds of homes with the rooftops, and all of the roads are gonna put in, and it's going to rain like that again. It always does. The runoff is gonna be worse than what it ever has been. And on top of that, there's been a lot of growth of trees to restrict water flow now. The embankments are full of trees. I believe they're kicking the can down the road and the problems are only going to get worse with this development. That's what my concern is of the flooding on top of all the traffic that it is going to add to this little peaceful neighborhood. That's the point I wanted to bring up. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, Mr. Laughlin was the only person who signed up. Is there anyone else that would like to speak during the citizen participation kind of open time right now? If not, we will close it. Spencer, gavel, no gavel.

Your choice.

Okay, I'm going to say no. All right, so. We'll move on to formal commission action. The first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from the June 4th meeting. It's been a while since we've met. I will entertain a motion to approve the minutes from that meeting. I approve the minutes from the June 4th meeting as it stands.

Second.

All right, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

I meant to say aye. All opposed, same sign? All right, motion carries. to approve the minutes from the June 4th meeting. Okay, next order of business is since Kendra Kerver, who was our former chairperson, was recently appointed to the city council, so we congratulate her on that. I was the vice chair, that's why I'm in this chair for the first time tonight. So we need to nominate a new vice chairperson for the planning commission. So we'll open it up for nominations. And you can't nominate yourself.

I'd like to nominate Chuck for chair.

Not for chair, for vice chair.

For vice chair?

Yeah. So my understanding, what I've been told, is that the vice chair is automatically appointed to the chair. And then so we're only now backfilling the vice chair.

All right. Rodolfo, I'll kick it over to you then. Do we need a second on?

No, you don't need a second on nominations. Okay. Sorry.

All right, so we have a nomination for Rodolfo for vice chairperson. Do we have any other nominations? All right.

I move nomination cease.

Do we need a second for that? Second. All right. So then... Do I need to have a vote on closing the nominations? We do, yeah. Okay, thank you. All in favor of closing the nominations? Aye. Say aye. All opposed? All right, the motion carries. We have one nomination for vice chairperson of the planning commission, and it's Rodolfo Aravello. So we will do a roll call vote for Rodolfo's nomination. We'll start from all in favor. Oh, I need a motion for that.

No, I mean, you don't need a motion because he's nominated.

Okay, so I can just call a roll call.

Mm-hmm.

All right, we'll start on my left, Rodolfo. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye.

All right. His nomination is approved unanimously. I thought I'd let you set the tone with the first vote. Okay, moving on. All right, so this is the first of two public hearings tonight. The first one, is a rezoning application from C2 to M1 over near Moody's Hardware. So I will open the public hearing for that, and we will begin with the staff report. Thank you. Have any members of the Planning Commission had any ex parte communication related to this application? OK. Seeing none, we will proceed. Ian.

Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Um, Ian reference city planner before you today's application Z 26 dash one Bucyrus auto, a rezoning request from CP two, uh, to M one or sorry, C two to M one, uh, commercial district to M one light industrial. Uh, the proposed rezoning is on a 1.4 acre, uh, lot, which is designated in the, uh, adopted spring Hill comprehensive plan as industrial designation. The subject property is provided with utilities, water is provided by Johnson County Water One, sewer by the City of Spring Hill, and storm with regional drainage flowing to the north. Surrounding properties and their zoning designations to the north is a hardware store zoned C2 commercial. To the east is a contractor storage facility zoned M1 light industrial. To the south is a retail store zoned M1 light industrial. and to the west is KDOT right-of-way, which does not have a zoning designation. That was 169 Highway. With consideration to traffic associated with this rezoning request, the city engineer determined that the proposed use, which is not currently under consideration at this time, but is intended to be an automotive repair facility, will not generate sufficient traffic to require a traffic study. That being said, at the time of site plan application, if it is determined that it needs one, it will be required as part of that. The site itself, let me pull it up here, to give an overview of the layout and topography, is generally flat. There is a slight grade where the property falls from the south to the north. Let me pull this up and get it shared. Let me change the background. So this is the subject property right here. As you can see, the high point is on the southwest corner, lowering down as you go to the north. This property, while not currently tied into existing stormwater drainage, surrounding properties do drain to this channel here, which runs off to the north, ultimately joining in with the broader watershed that drains down into Hillsdale Lake. Let's see. With respect to the comprehensive plan compliance staff reviewed and found that the request to go to m one light industrial is aligned with comprehensive plan in multiple different respects. First and foremost section 4.3 growth recommendations, which calls for the future land use plan specifically identifies the properties industrial the. proposed end use as automotive repair facility kind of falls into that light industrial type land use and therefore complies or aligns with that future land use designation. Additional sections of the comprehensive plan, section 5.9 industrial development recommendations outlines that small businesses should be encouraged. The proposed end user is a small locally owned business. An additional recommendation for industrial development is that they are located in close proximity to US 169 highway. As you can see, this is directly adjacent to it. There's direct access going south and then out here. There is currently a signalization study being Undertaken on adding a signal here. I believe that is Allison's not here to speak to it. So I'll kind of hope she is Okay Allison's here to speak to that but there is a signal that is looking at going there I apologize about that So there are multiple parts of comprehensive plan that align with this proposed rezoning So staff finds that it does align with the comprehensive plan looking at compatibility with surrounding land uses The surrounding properties are developed with substantively similar types of land use, whether that be commercial or similar light industrial type with the office or contractor storage facility across the street and commercial to the north and south. proposed zoning designation and the kind of current restrictions to potential land uses that are available under the newly adopted M1 light industrial kind of align with that pattern of development. Some of the more intensive land uses such as primary industry, general industry, those are restricted to M2 now. So by going to M1, they're not opening, so to speak, a can of worms that would be for the more intensive land uses. With that, the surrounding properties are not developed with land uses that are particularly sensitive to land uses that do generate off-site impacts. Staff does expect some form of adverse impact in the shape of light, noise, and dust nuisances generated just by standard use of the property by industrial land uses generally. That being said, considering the properties surrounding are developed with that industrial commercial They're typically only operating during daylight hours And they're not residential that would be severely impacted by these off-site impacts and furthermore as part of the site planning process There's an opportunity to mitigate any particularly concerning off-site impact. So staff does not feel that the proposed rezoning would generate a significant enough adverse impact to Not recommend approval. So staff does recommend approval for this rezoning request Stand for any questions?

Questions for Ian? Do the other businesses that are there, are they designated M1 or C2s? It's a mix.

Yeah, it's a mix. So to the north is C2. Across the street, the contractor storage is C2. M1 is to the south and Caddy Corner to the southeast. Then, yeah, up north along the road, there's more M1. So it's a mix.

Yeah. So I kind of had a question, a follow-up question to that, which is like the Fireworks Mania store, the Dance Studio, another one at the 191st. Yeah, well, actually, Mellow Fellow is C2. But the Fireworks Store and the Dance Studio and then one other building are all M1. Can you imagine? I mean, why would those have been designated M1 rather than C2? Because these are just like regular commercial businesses.

Yeah, the exact background as to how that happened, I'm not certain. I don't have the background for that as to why it ended up that way.

Okay. But today it would, so like one of those today would still be C2 rather than M1, and we're contemplating M1 here under the new definition? Okay.

Yes, yeah, it would be under the newly adopted light industrial designation.

Okay, which if I remember correctly, for the most part, informs that the majority of the business activity will be indoors.

That's correct, yes. Any outdoor storage would have to be completely screened from public view, things of that nature, yes. But day-to-day operations are enclosed as part of the design requirements or site requirements.

Are fireworks just allowed in M1, or are they available in C2?

Fireworks are permitted. They're considered retail limited, which I think it's both. I can double check that as far as I remember.

I knew it was M1, I just didn't remember if it was C2 or not. Yeah.

The reason I raised the question is because we also approved the overlay designation and this wouldn't fit into doing that, keeping it C2 and doing an overlay.

That would be a route. That being said, under the newly adopted M1 light industrial, it would be permitted by rights. So that is another way to go about it. That being said, I don't particularly see a reason to go down that route. I think that that just adds additional layers to it that might not be necessary. But yes, that would be another way to go about doing this, if you prefer to keep it simple.

And the reason I raise it, because at least Part of the history of this group is not wanting to keep constantly keep changing from one designation to another. Yeah.

Commissioner, I certainly understand that question. when reviewing this and the application and a change to from c2 to m1 we do look at the surrounding zoning and if in a property like this if there was not surrounding m1 the city may not support it and if we were to do a essentially planned district with a protected overlay then we'd be introducing a which is not to say it can't be done but we'd be introducing a third zoning into this mix of all the properties there and so given that the property next door to the south is m1 and then the the other property where the spring hill car wash will be will be m1 and their surrounding zoning of m1 in the area we felt that it was an appropriate request But I certainly do understand that question. And that is a option to go that route. But based upon the request, we felt that it was appropriate.

Thank you.

Are there any other questions for staff at this point? Does the applicant want to address the commission?

Todd Allenbrand, 102 Abbey Avenue, Kansas City, Kansas. I'm just here with Jason Booz, the owner of the property as well as the owner of the business, and we're just in agreement with the staff report and kind of the main direction of going to the M1. If you remember, I had another case with you guys previously where we had the M1 because we had to go to the MP, the planned zoning, because you didn't have the same thing you have set up now, the M1 light industrial zone. So changing to new zoning really is helpful in businesses like this because all, like you said, all his business, 100% of his business is inside during the day. Now he does have a, he'll have a facility in the back where he'll keep cars that they need to pull out, wait for people to pick up, but there's no activity back there business-wise other than storage and holding cars for people, but everything is 100% inside. I mean, we looked at the C2, or we looked kind of at the same thing we looked at before, but with the new zoning coming up, that seemed like the most reasonable direction to head for what he's wanting to do. And if you have any other questions, we're here to answer them. And if you have some specific questions about his future business, Jason would probably be happy to get up and answer any questions.

Thank you.

Thanks. Thanks. Any questions? All right. Thank you.

All right.

All right, this is the time in this public hearing where if there's any members of the public who would like to speak on this agenda item, you may approach the lectern and start with your name and address. Okay, I don't see any. Do any members? Oh, sorry. John, come on up.

John Waterman, 21110 West 186 Terrace, Dayton Creek. So I live just to the west of this subject property, and I know that in the past businesses developed along 169 there, namely like the storage facilities, have, you know, we've had some issues with the kind of just lower grade fencing that's been kind of directly lining 169. So my only concern with this being an auto shop and that being the rear of the auto shop where the yard would be is that that fence is very aesthetic and pleasing to 169. So just to keep decent character to the city. I expect that with the new zoning, I think there's additional requirements to allow for that, but just be mindful of that. I mean, I know we're not talking about the site plan or anything right now, but it would just be nice to kind of assure that we'll have that character protected.

So, thank you. Thanks, John. Are there any other members of the public who would like to speak? Okay. Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing. So the hearing's closed. Any deliberation among the planning commission members? I'll just make a comment that I agree with Mr. Waterman's concerns about the visual aspects of it, but I'm confident that with our new staff and new zoning, once we get to the site plan approval stage, the preliminary and the final, I think we'll have the opportunity to weigh in on that, and we'll probably see some renderings, and we'll see those requirements at that time after this rezoning tonight. So I'm confident that it'll be better than what we've done in the past.

Yeah, and I'll echo and say, you know, I think the location itself is appropriate. You know, we heard discussion earlier about this area just west of the tracks, and we've spoken to this area before, keeping it focused on commercial, industrial, and for the reason of keeping the traffic as close to the highway as possible, so we're not pulling that heavy-duty traffic further into the residential area, so I think keeping the zoning closer to the highway so they have quick access is appropriate.

Ian, you said that he was bringing everything from Bucyrus over, correct?

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

Your statement earlier, he's bringing the Bucyrus piece over to Spring Hill for this property.

I will let the applicant speak to that. It's also not necessarily part of a rezoning request as to what he's bringing over and what's going to be on there.

I'm asking simply because... In this piece, we're talking about the cars in the back of the building. Knowledge of knowing that he's also in Bucyrus could be a backup plan for cars and storage. That's the only reason I'm asking.

Todd Allenbrand, he's not going to be in Bucyrus anymore. He's going to move his whole facility to this location. And even though the site plan's not in front of you, I can share with you that he's going to have a, solid fence around the back and landscaping along 169. So that should satisfy any concerns, I would hope.

Yeah, I'm fine with it.

Thanks. Great. Thanks for adding that. Any other comments? And if there are none, I will entertain a motion.

I move to recommend approval of rezoning application Z26-3 From C2, general business to M1.

Second. All right. I have a motion and a second. We will start the vote from the right.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. The motion carries 5-0. All right. Moving on to agenda item number four. This will be another public hearing, so we'll open that public hearing. And this is for a rezoning request and preliminary plat application for 152 acres near 183rd and Woodland Road. Oh, thank you.

I always forget that.

I need the commission members to disclose any ex parte contacts, if any, that they might have regarding this case, including the nature of communication and whom it was with, and also if you have any conflicts of interest. Nope. I don't either. But I will say I live downstream from this development along the same creek. But I don't think that's going to inform my impartiality in this. So Ian, we'll hand it over to you.

Thank you. So this is application Z26-2 and PP26-1, a rezoning and preliminary plan for Sunset Farm Estates. The applicant is requesting approval of a rezoning from RR to RP1 single-family residential as well as approval of a preliminary plan containing 149 single-family residential lots on approximately 153 acres of land located at the northeast corner of 183rd Street and Woodland Road. Before I begin, I do have a correction. In the staff report, I stated that there are no modifications being requested. That is incorrect. The applicant is requesting one modification to permit accessory structures up to a size of 1,200 square feet. I'll get into that a little bit more, but I want to clarify that that staff letter had an incorrect statement. We'll get into that. I'll first start kind of broad with site-specific details, and then I'll move into rezoning. After I'm done with the rezoning component, we'll move into the preliminary plan. At a broad level, the subject property is provided with utilities, water being from Johnson County Water 1, sewer from the city of Spring Hill, and stormwater management will utilize wet detention in the existing ponds located kind of central in the property and to the southeast, as well as outflow going along 183rd into the Headwaters Blue River watershed. stormwater impact analysis review potential your flooding on 183rd Street and Ridgeview Rd bridges I'll. Leave the questions for specifics of that to Allison if there are any. Surrounding zoning to the north is agricultural I guess surrounding development types and zoning to north is agricultural property zone M1 light industrial to the east are large lot single family residential properties zoned PRLD, that is a Johnson County unincorporated zoning district for large lot single family residential. To the south is large lot residential zoned RUR within the city. And to the west is agricultural property zoned M1 light industrial. Let me pull this up real quick so you can see. So to the... This is the subject property right here. This kind of oblong-shaped one. To the southwest catty corner across Woodland Road and 183rd and the railroad tracks is a fully developed industrial facility and site. This is the Monarch Concrete Cement Plant, just for reference. That is an additional use of note within the proximity of the subject property. Let's see. That being said, I'll now move into the rezoning specific details. Staff reviewed compatibility of the subject property and surrounding properties. Surrounding properties are developed with a mix of residential, agricultural, and some industrial. Once again, notably the Monarch plant to the southwest. Given the significant level of buffering spatially between this property and the monarch cement staff does not believe that it's going to have a very significant impact on the subject property and doesn't think that it's necessarily incompatible because of that. The other surrounding property and land uses being other forms of large acreage lot style single family or kind of piano key rural residential single family are also Substantively similar enough to be compatible The proposed project which will kind of get into more specifics They're predominantly about half acre sized lots. So it's not very small, you know tightly built residential, but they're kind of larger in size so their level of footprint and impact is Pretty similar as far as residential goes So because of that, staff feels that the compatibility of the subject property and the rezoning designation to RP1 is a fair and appropriate one. Looking at detrimental effects of the proposed rezoning, developing the property as single-family residential under the RP1 zoning designation will have an impact in the form of additional generated traffic. There was a completed traffic study done last year which looked at a a single family subdivision containing 149 homes. That traffic study concluded that there were no additional improvements that were required to accommodate that additional traffic flow. Early 2026, there was a traffic memo that was filed with staff subsequently that looked at the impact that the school season would have on those traffic counts and found that when accounting for school season specific traffic in addition to the proposed subdivision, the findings of the original impact study were not changed. As far as suitability for development of this site, the property does have sufficient frontage on both 183rd and Winland Road for multiple points of access as needed to satisfy fire safety and subdivision regulations. Utilities are either readily available on the site or can be extended. Sanitary sewer service is provided from the south as part of the northeast sewer program.

Yes.

And then water lines are provided along 183rd. And then stormwater is provided via this offshoot and going southeast. So because of that, the property is suitable for development if rezoned to single family. Lastly, moving into the preliminary plat portion. Once again, the subject property is being proposed To be developed as 149 single family residential lots the average lot size is 0.64 acres so little over half an acre in size, with a minimum of 0.48 acres and a maximum of 1.28 acres swap this over. With respect to elevations the applicant is requesting approval of conceptual elevations. I'll let the applicant kind of speak to their selected elevations here, but staff intends on kind of reviewing the following criteria when looking at conceptual elevations as permits come through, notably a variation in roofline pitches. Higher end residential materials looking at that stucco stone minimal amounts of lap siding breaking up monotonous facades with either windows or decoration your ornamentation things of that nature. So with that staff feels that the conceptual elevations it's not the first time that we've come through with this. So there any questions about that, please let me know we feel like we're able to. handle that in terms of ensuring that your vision for what that might look like is realized with the final product. The applicant indicated that the size of the lots is intended to accommodate side loading garages in addition to front loading, which I'll let them speak more to that. But just know that that was one of the intents with these elevations. It's not necessarily clearly represented, but that is a intended form of a home. With respect to right-of-way and easement acquisition, The developer is providing 50 feet of right-of-way for all internal streets, as well as additional right-of-way acquisition along both the 183rd and Woodland Road right-of-ways to facilitate required improvements to the road. So notably, there will be a shoulder and, oh, jeez. I can let Alison speak to that a little bit, but I do know that there's gonna be shoulder improvements, which will be a part of that. Additionally, which it's kind of hard to see here, but there is a 10-foot concrete trail that runs along both frontages that will be part of a tract on the subdivision but available to the public for use. So that is an additional improvement that's being required as part of this application public trail. If there are any additional easements that are required beyond those that are standard, those will be sought during the final plat process as part of the findings of the final public improvement plan. So if there's need for some extension of sanitary or water in a certain area and we don't have the easements required, we'll come back for that via the final plot process. So all that to say, staff does recommend approval with conditions. I have three here. First, all the recommendations of approval list in the engineering staff report. Second, that the proposed trail located along Woodland Road and 183rd Street is to be constructed of concrete. And third, that the maintenance agreement for tract H, which is located to the southeast, which is a lift station that'll serve for sanitary sewer service, a maintenance agreement for that tract will be required prior to the recording of final plat. I just realized I did not kind of expand a little bit more on the accessory structure. I will kind of backtrack once again. The applicant is seeking approval of a modification to our development standards to permit up to 1,200 square feet accessory structures. Under the adopted zoning code, there are two forms of detached structures that are permitted with different sizing requirements. Detached garages are permitted up to 1,000 square feet, and accessory structures generally are 120 square feet. Their proposed modification does not grant an increase to the number of detached structures. It would permit the addition of a detached accessory structure. So that could be either a detached garage or detached shed up to 1,200 square feet, but they cannot have both. So either it's an attached garage or a detached garage or a detached shed up to 1,200 square feet. If that made sense, great. If not, let me know. I can try and explain. So if PC wishes, sorry, if Planning Commission wishes to recommend approval with that modification, let me know and we can,

Craft some language to go with the motion to add that because it wasn't necessarily part of the staff report explicitly So yes, thank you I mean are those accessory like the detached garage or detached shop are those the reason this is RP one rather than our one that is correct. Yes and Those detached buildings would they be permitted ever to contain accessory dwelling units?

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Under our adopted code, I do not believe so. I can double check, but as far as more, we do not have any accessory dwelling unit standards that are adopted.

Okay. No. Because that would potentially affect the density, right? Yes. Residents and housing.

Okay.

That's good. Does the applicant want to address the planning condition or the agent?

State your name and business address I'm here on behalf of the CNC development Three of the property owners are here also We're in agreement with all three stipulations I'll I guess address a couple of items. I think staff did a really good job describing the property and the project that we're doing here, but the citizen that came up and is talking about traffic and concerns with the flooding, I was gonna touch base on those a little bit. As far as the flooding, we're aware there is county floodplain that goes through the property. FEMA floodplain comes up to 183rd Street. Along our east property line is a trib of Wolf Creek, That's the bigger trib of the two, and that's a county study under the Blue River Watershed Study. And then the trib that goes up to the pond and up to Woodland Road is a non-regulatory floodplain also. But we're maintaining both of the floodplains with stream corridor setbacks meeting metro requirements on that, stream corridor setbacks. We're providing stormwater detention on the pond located in the midsection, which will detain our property for the 210 and the 100-year storm back to preexisting. So 183rd Street, the flooding that he described is modeled in the Blue River Watershed Study, so we're well aware of that. We're not fixing that problem, but we're not going to make it any worse. And... And then we're also doing stormwater quality treatment on the site, primarily through natural vegetation in the properties that are being protected along the east property line for the stream corridor. And then the stream corridor going through the center of the property through that pond. And the pond will also be used for extended wet detention from a water quality standpoint. So that's further detaining it for... Basically the one year the water quality storm events just slightly less than a one-year storm event Then if we're talking about traffic we did traffic study and staff had reviewed that and staff had come back and The main comment they had from our first traffic study was they wanted traffic counts during the school year so there was traffic counts done in May and a revised study and It was a revised study to the previous one we had done, basically acknowledging that really the school traffic didn't really change the volumes much. The existing level of service for that intersection was an A, which is the highest. You've got a level of service of A to F, and A is your best. And in the existing condition right now, it's rated as a level of service of A. With the proposed development, It does increase traffic, but the level of service drops to a B, which is still very high. And then they looked at the future projections out to 2045, I believe, and they still were projecting a level of service of B. So they recommended, it doesn't warrant any signalization, any turn lanes, So that's response to the traffic. Other than that, I'll stand for any questions that may come up. We'll do our best to answer them.

I have a question about the detention and the treatment. So obviously those two ponds are there today. I don't know if they were added to deal with the flooding or if they just are there naturally. But are there any changes or improvements that you're doing to what's already there to accommodate this development? Or do you feel like the vegetation, the size of the detention pond in the center and the one on the southeast, you didn't describe that one as detention, but that those are sufficient to handle this added runoff? Or are you actually making improvements or some changes to these?

We're making improvements to the large one. Okay. So we're redoing the dam. I mean, the majority of the dam's going to stay, but we're making improvements, raising it a little bit. We're revising the outlet structure, increasing the capacity so the water surface, I think, actually lowers slightly so we can store a couple of feet before, you know, it's going to... The first couple of feet is going to be detained to a small outlet structure. A small pond is just a water feature. We're not planning on doing anything to that as far as improvements. And then we're not touching anything on the east side along the stream.

Ian, real quick, I think it would be helpful, too, if you can pull the aims back up. and put the flood zone layer on, because I think it really speaks to the layout of the, if you take a snapshot of this layout and where all that drainage is going, and then have Ian pull up the AIMS map here, turn on the flood layer, I think it's a good layout in terms of respects that drainage right now, and those existing bodies of water holding areas in response to, because you can see right there, this is the flood area, and Mr. Laughlin I think was speaking to, and The proposed design really does, I think, respect these areas and stays away from it. I think another thing to speak to also just for kind of everyone's sake is a stormwater protection plan had to be done for this, right?

Correct.

So a lot of times that stormwater protection plan is a big old document. They have to go through an engineer and show all pre-existing conditions to and then show the post-development conditions, right?

Correct.

And you can't exceed those discharge rates of the pre-existing conditions, correct?

That's correct.

Okay. And that's all in getting reviewed and everything, right? Yes. So it's not that you can just lay everything down wherever you want. There are rules and regulations we have to follow, too. And that's just to help everyone else listening to that. There are stormwater protection plans we have to abide by, and I think the slayouts responding to the flood zones in a great way. Um, so I just want to say that out there for the, the whole drainage and flooding areas. So that was helpful for me at least seeing that I'd be concerned if they were removing some of those. Yeah. Yeah. See, I, I know you can't do the split screen, but I literally had the plat plant pulled up right next to the flood plan side by side. And it does a good job just referring to one another. So

Chair, could I ask that the applicant's representative discuss the difference between the floodplain that's highlighted in the dark blue on the south side of 183rd, which is the true floodplain, and what is highlighted in light blue here on this property?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Dr. Tucker, can you?

Yeah, I touched on that earlier. So the dark blue, is the FEMA floodplain, so that's federally regulated. So when you get into that, you start dealing with the state and you start dealing with FEMA. So all of our property is in what's called, the light blue would be your county study. So that's, it's actually part of the Blue River Watershed Study, which is a county study. What they do is they extend it up to the... 160 acre point I believe is where they typically would stop it and So that the county has been a little Proactive I guess you would say so FEMA only recognizes The floodplain at the time that the study was adopted. It doesn't look at future development so when the Blue River watershed study went through the county also did what's called a future development floodplain so they took into account all of the undeveloped grounds they looked at master plans for all the cities and then there was areas that were outside of that that was County and they used a runoff value to account for some kind of development, which is a little bit higher than residential, but it's not like a commercial development. So they could develop a future-planned floodplain, which is what we use to make sure that that stays off everybody's lots. So that's what the blue is, and it extends up further. So it's already been modeled by the county. Now, we can... that you can't the county let you get into it but you can't cause a rise off your property so like the trip that goes up through the pond does not leave our property so technically we could encroach into it and create rises but it impacts our property but we would also produce a study showing that we're still protecting all the lots around development which we've already done that mm-hmm the floodplain there then on the east side which is future County floodplain we stayed we've kept it completely off our lots and aren't touching any of it doing any grading around there removing any of the trees but I think a lot of that is not on your property though those trees yeah yeah you're right some of them are not yeah

Does that help? No, I appreciate the explanation. So now I know that I live in the dark blue. Any other questions for Mr. Tucker?

My assumption, since two of the entryways are on woodland, that there'll be some pavement that'll have to be done on woodland?

Yes. So the agreement on that is that we will be paving that to a county standard, which is a 24-foot wide asphalt road. Okay. And then it'll have, I believe it's five-foot gravel shoulders on both sides and safe ditches.

And how far, will that just go beyond your north entrance on Woodland?

It'll go to the north property line.

Oh, okay, okay. And then is there any potential, I know this is a city question, but to coordinate with the county to continue paving it on up to 175th?

I'd say no, but you can ask the city.

Okay. So really it'll just be for the residents to go travel south on woodland for the most part? Right. Okay, to 183rd.

The rest of that will come in pieces as ground develops.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I had a question, sorry. A couple questions. I had a question about the Sunset Farms Estates Architectural Committee that was mentioned in the design guidelines. Who forms that committee and what's the process for approving new home designs?

One of you guys want to?

And I'm asking in part because I haven't seen that before with most of the developments.

Nick Shepherd, one of the owners of the property. So from our understanding, that committee will be formed and run by the development company, which is us, and it has to meet the guidelines that have been set forth with the city. Then once the HOA is established, then the HOA will take that over.

At which point does the HOA take it over, do you think? Is it based on a number of homes or just when it's completely developed?

I don't know that that's been established yet, but I would assume once the HOA is financially stable enough with enough residents and they're paying HOA dues.

Okay.

So I don't know that that's a specific number of homes or date set forth yet.

And then another question I had related to the designs, it seemed like the minimum home sizes were relatively small compared to the lots. Is that just to give flexibility of the home styles or to leave room for the accessory building? Or why was that? Because like one and a half story, unless I misread it, but a two-story home, 2,400 square foot minimum, one and a half story, yeah, 2,400 also. I guess they're all 2,400.

Yeah, I think so what we were trying to you know establish is the main footprint of the house And I think if we look at other developments in the area, it's substantially higher.

Mm-hmm most of those So, I guess I'm not sure well, I'm just asking hearing that too Yeah, I just it sounded for the size of the lot and sort of what I'm seeing as the vision Yeah, as you know through the through the information that you've shared. It seems like the homes would be potentially larger. I

I think that's the goal is to drive that up. But also if we're thinking about potentially having the home, the longer driveway, potentially a sidecar entry, 1,200 square foot detached building, and then also maybe a pool, that's a pretty large footprint when you start combining all those together.

Yeah, that's what I was kind of imagining. So that makes sense. I know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I don't see on the plat any community you know, buildings or amenities. And I assume that's by design because these lots are larger and you kind of figure that people will have what they need on their own lot.

I think that's the goal with the estate-style lots. Yeah. Plus with the required walking trails around there and the ponds that are taking up the property, you know, that's kind of the amenity.

You're going to still allow the public to fish on that pond?

Yeah.

You don't have to answer that. Are they able to now?

I don't know. They seem to. All right. Thank you. That's all the questions I had. Do any other members have any questions for Mr. Tucker or the applicant?

The only question that I would have is really in regards to how, if you're going to have independent contractors build homes, you have this committee. And I don't believe that the subdivision that I'm references did but We're very disappointed with a certain subdivision They were going to build high-end homes and it turns out that some of them don't have a basement And so That that's Hopefully we don't get into that situation.

I think with the required submittals of what we're putting in that development with the pictures and with the planned development plan of the size of homes, I think that was the goal with the city to try to prevent that, is to make sure that we had a clear understanding of what our intentions were with the entire development.

Are these pictures of the homes what we are going with?

So that would be a reflection of what we've determined is the minimum standard based off of the planned development district.

Do these meet the garage footage setback? Because what I am seeing appears to be a lot of garage frontage, which is not what we were after.

We don't have any requirements in the code today that require a certain percentage of the houses to have a garage set back from the street further than the front porch or the front plane of the house. And so it's difficult for staff to enforce that. A certain percentage of them have to have this floor plan or that floor plan or have a basement or not have a basement. in in looking at the conceptual elevations of the in the pictures provided staff looked at those to See if they were actually indicative of the the quality that could be expected out here to match what the developers intent is to be able to ensure that the builders that as they come in meet that same high standard and so We don't have anything in our code, so that's why it wasn't anything in there or they were going to try to ask maybe for a modification to that. But we feel that it's not too dissimilar from what other subdivisions have. And so that's why it's very difficult, if not impossible, to have 183 different or how many ever lots are in here. to show that all up front so that's why it's indicative of what as mr. Shepherd said the lowest kind of quality they're willing to accept yeah so it's just the comp plan right and and those are not enforceable as standards in the code

They may not be enforceable, but somebody that's sat here for a long time, I would really encourage to hold that front door more visible. That's what we've been asked from the public many times over. Just due for thought.

In the design guidelines in the material, it said that they really intend for the majority of garages. It's a three-car minimum, but it sounded like a lot of them will be positioned to the side.

That'd be awesome.

Yeah. And then if they want more than three, you can only have three facing forward is what I read. So anything any more than that would have to be side facing. So it's not all garage.

And I don't know that any of these are specific plans that are going to be built in there. They were just kind of a representation of exterior finishes or imagery that we would anticipate the plans. I appreciate that. Yeah.

So I didn't see anything in the information tonight, but I... really thought I read it in the information that was presented to the city council back in June, but is, will there be any benefit district in this neighborhood or like special assessments or anything?

Yeah.

Okay. Um, that's fine. I was just curious. And that's the kind of thing that will be disclosed to the potential buyers up front. Yeah. I know, I know in the past some other neighborhoods have come under fire for the homeowners not feeling like it was fully disclosed to them and,

There's some pretty substantial ones in the area, and our goal is to make that not the case here. With some required infrastructure, raising the standard a little bit in the city of Spring Hill, this will help us comply to that. So we did ask for that. But the goal is to be nothing like some of these other ones that are extremely impactful to the buyers.

Yeah. That's great. It runs the risk of making your... your property's less attractive to potential buyers, too, if it's too much, for sure.

And I apologize if I missed this. I know Tract-H was under some sort of stipulation, but is that a lift station? Is that what that's going to be? Tract-H? Yes. And when does that come online? December. December. Okay. So that elevation that's coming online in December, that elevation, all that is already set. Wow. Cool. Hopefully it's square.

All right. Are there any other questions for the applicant or for Phelps Engineering? All right. Thank you, gentlemen.

Thank you.

All right. At this time, if there are any members of the public who would like to address the Planning Commission about this application, please come up and state your name and address.

My name's Steven Sanford. I live at 19795 West 183rd Street. I have quite a few things I'd like to point out and take a couple of different roles. Number one, thinking forward as a neighbor to a potential HOA with all of the tight restrictions of expectations and having been a resident for 10 years in that same location. The concrete plant going to be an extreme point of contention for all of the buyers just for future reference for future Spring Hill commissioning notes and complaints department that if Spring Hill, I'm sure the lawyers understand and know this already, but if Spring Hill were to, quote, get enough complaints from the citizens that they would choose to tell Monarch to turn their lights off at night, that that would be an extremely substantial fine. And I want to make sure that that doesn't happen. Happen for the city. I would love to have the lights off Considering they light up my whole house most of the time They can't even figure out how to turn their truck lights off, but that's another story so the the monarch plant being lights on all the time and should be a consideration, should be something to be aware of. The crossing, the railroad crossing is quite a fun bit of noise, something I've grown up with for other locations that I've lived at. So being 500 feet away from the crossing is no big deal for me. I literally know how to time my conversations with the train horn to avoid misunderstandings. But new residents moving into Southern Johnson County mindset may not have that same understanding. And with that moving forward, unless you buy out a few lots and change a bunch of drastic things, there's no way to make that a legitimate quiet crossing. without encroaching on personal property at that intersection because the concrete plant's already there and you can't make woodland move without all of that. It's somewhat encouraging that we're gonna get 500, I'll give them a half a mile of asphalt on woodland between 183rd and the tree line But as an encouragement for the city it absolutely needs to be forward-thinking more more planning and and traffic plans I Completely disagree with your staff's assessment on your traffic plans. I cannot at my house for any amount of time during the day without seeing a minimum of 20 cars at a time and Heaven forbid if a train slows down at 175th Street, then they all come down to 283rd Street. I get it. I go around as much as possible as well. However 183rd and 169 is the other part of that and We didn't think it was going to be a big problem at 191st when Dayton Creek went in, and now we're rushing, hopefully rushing, to put a stoplight in. And the Travel Plaza came discussion was trying to, the stipulation was to put a traffic light in at 183rd. Now, 150 homes, that's 500 cars. Around about 500 cars and let's not forget our wonderful edition of golf carts and four wheelers that we want to have running around so Traffic is going not to be anywhere near come The same that it is now it's going to go up it's also going to increase that school traffic on Ridgeview and the really big point that I want to make is The two points one also the 175th intersection at the railroad crossing those neighbors Probably not the best neighbors for the people that would be wanting to live in that neighbor in the new neighborhood in addition to that the Ridgeview Traffic as a city note. I know that doesn't necessarily consult coincide with the residential but we don't start looking at widening and controlling Ridgeview with the high school traffic and and the multiple schools along that road and everything going on up to 175th Street and beyond we're gonna fall off and we're gonna have fatalities and I really want to encourage to consider a no truck zone along Ridgeview and 183rd Street between Woodland and and on 191st Across the same. I know that might not be something that needs to be talked about tonight But it really should be especially if we're talking about 150 residential homes going in at the corner of 80,000 pound trucks going across those railroad tracks safety first always Thank you for your time. Thank you

Are there any other members of the public who would like to address the commission? Mr. Waterman, please state your name and address again.

John Waterman, 21110 West 186 Terrace. So I also thought of the train at Great Crossing there. In Spring Hill, I mean, I believe this will be the first at-grade crossing where a development is at that intersection to where that train whistle is required, and I don't think there's anything we can do to mitigate that. I guess my concern would be with these, you know, half-acre estate lots, you know, are we sure that... I mean, if you build it, people will come, right? But... What are they gonna stay? Once they you know have to deal with that or or will they kind of consider that and them and them on our plant with the lights and all of that, you know kind of a detriment to To even want to consider building and you know, we haven't really talked about You know lot price and home price, you know that are gonna be on these lots But you know, I got I think it's in the you know, five six hundred thousand dollar range. So I Those things could be concerns to expecting citizens. Maybe newcomers to southern Johnson County may not be thinking of those things. They may jump in before they realize the adverse effects that they got themselves into, but again, how long then will they stay? I'm definitely not going to say that I'm a I'm against this and maybe it, you know, conforms to, to all the, to all the, uh, criteria, but, um, you know, is it, is it the, is it the best thing for Spring Hill? So, I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a challenge, you know, that we all have to decide, you know, is that the right, is that the right, uh, form of progress to proceed with? So, uh, with that, I'll leave it, uh, to the commission. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. With that, we will. Oh, let me reopen it. I did. It was an accidental Spencer. Am I good? Cause I didn't say it. Thanks. I just was tapping for fun.

Leah Langley, one, eight, two, three, three South loan home road. Thank you. Um, something that has, uh, just I've noticed over the years in Spring Hill, we cap over a lot of Springs. And I know when we see a body of water, we think it's a pond. but I would want to know how many springs are on that lot. Is that a spring that we're looking at on that map? If it is and you're building a $600,000 home, the water moves underground. We all know that, right? I would kind of wonder if we're building basements, what that would do in the future in a heavy rain. So I know in the state of Kansas there's water rights I assume that the applicant would own the water rights to that spring, if it's a spring. If not, then that would need to be looked at too. But there are violations in the state of Kansas tapping in and capping those springs. And I have heard in the last two years they've gotten a lot stricter. So I would just want to look into that also. The biggest buck I have ever seen in my life drinks out of that pond, and I just want to throw that out there. He's mine. Okay. Thank you. One, eight, two, three, three.

Thank you. Okay, I'm pausing with the gavel now. Are there any other members of the public who would like to come up? All right, seeing none, looking, we'll close the public comments and come back to if the commission members have any further clarifications from the applicant or staff. I always do, but Allison, I have a question for you, which you probably can't answer, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.

She's trying to hide.

She might, I know. So first of all, I definitely appreciate the very detailed traffic study in this application. I think it was great to see that. It looks like maybe it was done twice because there were two different dates there, so that's terrific.

It was so good it was done twice.

Yeah, so I feel like that was a good amount of due diligence on the part of the city and the applicant for traffic. So living near there myself, you know, we're all very aware of the truck traffic, as Mr. Sanford noted. And so somewhere in the 100 pages of the traffic study, I saw that the AM existing conditions, peak traffic going east from 183rd and Woodland was like 85, westbound's 83 per hour. And then in the afternoon, 99 going east and 110 going west, which is almost two vehicles per minute. It seemed like the traffic study combined all types of vehicles, but I'm curious if you know what percentage of those 110 vehicles per hour would be heavy trucks.

I don't know if they got to that level of detail. Typically, whenever they do a traffic count, they will, depending on how they did it, if they did it with the tubes across the roads, they can measure that with the axle loads, so they might be able to get that level of detail. If they were to do video, then they could go back to the video and look at that. That's something we can always ask them, but I don't know if they have that level of detail, and they did not include that in the study.

Okay. Because that's nothing for us to do or solve tonight, but I think it's definitely a concern, which is the high volume of truck traffic, and I think it's been mentioned a couple of times.

Well, and that's something separate that we can look at. Merge Midwest was the one that, was contracted by the developer to do the study. They are also one of the consultants that we regularly work with. So that's something, if we wanted to take a look at that, then we could always do that separately, separate from the development application.

Okay. Yeah, that's great. I think it's... It's something worth looking at, keeping an eye on. We've been told as residents that, well, the trucks are just serving construction sites in the area, and that's just not true. I mean, it is true. They serve construction sites, but the majority are cutting through.

Yeah, and so the reason we had two traffic studies, the first traffic study was done during the summer months. We tried to highlight this in the staff report, but some of that traffic could have been the school traffic in that second report that was done. So again, we can take a look at this. Yes, there probably are some counts that are trucks, but there are also residential traffic and school traffic that is part of that as well.

And I've seen accidents with the cement trucks at 183rd and Ridgeview before, and that's just what I've seen. I'm sure that's happened more than once. But you are also the right person to answer this next question. What would the potential be in the future following this development of potentially closing that intersection, closing 183rd going west towards the industrial area so that the residential areas are kind of firewalled off from it and the crossing becomes a quiet crossing?

Okay, so a couple of different things. So the city is working on a rail crossing study. We are gonna be studying nine different crossings within the city that is a joint partnership with fontana and fort scott we will be starting that study later this year there will be an opportunity for those in the audience that did speak passionately about the rail crossings and everything we want to hear that public comment whenever we get into that study process so there will be plenty of opportunity for online engagement as well as in-person public engagement and we wanna hear from our residents. And that's gonna be the crossing starting at 175th all the way down to 215th. And then of course there's others in Fontana and Fort Scott. So we definitely wanna hear from everyone. We did take a look at this intersection in particular at the river. We wanted to make sure that the the entrance into the subdivision was offset enough so that if we were to make improvements at 183rd Street with an overpass with the train tracks that we would have plenty of space to be able to ramp up and go over the rail. So that 1,000 feet is a good measure for us to be able to make that overpass similar to what you're seeing on 199th Street. So Again, that's something that the city is working on. And then I'm continually chasing grant opportunities. We've got two applications in for 191st Street Rail Crossing. In the future there's gonna be other opportunities and 183rd Street might be another one that we could look at in the future. Your other question was about closure of 183rd to the east.

A lot of that area... Well, rather than elevating the crossing, doing what Olathe did at 167th and just closing it.

So a lot of that's in Johnson County. So I'm not sure that we really have any opportunity to do much of anything since a lot of those streets are... Not in the city of Spring Hill.

I mean, this property's in Spring Hill, right? The property across the railroad tracks, the M1, is in Spring Hill, right?

Right, but I was talking about further east.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

In other words, other properties that are impacted by this.

Yeah, there are other properties impacted. I mean, it's something that we can talk about with our traffic engineers and determine what the best steps are moving forward, but it's not as simple as just closing the roadway.

Yeah, when I saw that at 167th, I thought, that looks simple. It's not that simple. But perhaps not.

No.

Okay, thank you. I knew you'd be the right person to answer those questions.

Yeah, and I think there was a question about 191st Street Signal, and hopefully we'll have that under construction by the end of this year. We'll have a contractor engaged. I believe the bid opening is going to be set for mid-October. So we are... The plans are into KDOT, and they are going to be releasing that here relatively soon, and we should have a contract hopefully as soon as November with the contractor.

That's exciting. I know a lot of people will obviously be very happy to see that. It will be a big step forward with safety.

Yeah, and something I'm working on with KDOT, again, just to give you guys an update, I'm working on trying to get a temporary signal at 183rd Street. to help with some of all of that. So hopefully we'll have that designed and up by the end of the year, don't quote me on that, but with the construction at 191st Street with that intersection, there's gonna have to be some, we're going to have to limit access at that intersection during construction since it will be an active construction site that's going to push some traffic up to 183rd Street signal. to be proactive, we are going to be putting a temporary signal pole up there to help direct traffic.

Okay, that's great. And then while you're here, can you tell us about the K7 corridor?

Might as well. Give you an update on all my projects.

Just really quick, are we still on a public hearing for rezoning?

Oh, sorry.

Okay, does that... Yeah, sorry. We'll do it during announcements. Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, I've... I think I've asked all my questions. Do you guys have any additional questions for staff?

I would like to ask Jacob if these trails, these concrete pathways, are more in line to what we had talked about at work sessions.

Yes, no the the 10-foot width and concrete construction is consistent with the new standards the city has has put forward so that's at least two feet wider than we have seen in the past and And going with with the concrete as opposed to asphalt should make it last longer also

I would just like to ask staff if they have any concerns regarding the flooding or potential springs on the property after public comment No, we wouldn't that is something that the developer would need to uncover Most of the waterways aren't going to be on people's lots or going Not be impacting that But that is something that each builder and the developer will have to uncover when they're doing that, when they're building things. And then so those reports and property owner due diligence and things like that. Um, natural occurring groundwater does happen. Um, that's why you, you, you often see French drains and drainage systems put into houses so they can be built, they can be accommodated for. Uh, but you know, to be honest, that's not something that we look at normally. That's something left between the home buyer, the home builder and the developer themselves. So I, you know, it, It's not something that we could have a concern enough about to do anything about, but it's, you know, from a building and construction standpoint, there are ways to mitigate that and to help alleviate that drainage. Some lots are going to have some, and, you know, that's really not something we can regulate, to be honest.

Thank you.

I'm just going to add briefly for all of your knowledge and anyone listening, but before plans come before you all, They are submitted to staff, and one of the things that staff does and that our city engineer does is look through things like waterways, floodplains, and ensures that the plan that you're seeing has already gone through that review. So we're not saying don't make those comments because everyone's welcome to come in and raise those, but just be assured that we have had our professional staff look at that, and it wouldn't come before you if we had concerns that there wasn't enough room for that water to get out or to be detained.

Appreciate that. Any other questions? All right. We'll close the public hearing, and then the commission members, we can deliberate a little bit. I've got a few comments, just in general. I've always said for the past several years that having a diversity of housing options is not just multifamily and small lots. It also can be you know, large, larger lots that are more, you know, compatible with rural residential properties. And this is the first one that I've seen, um, in years, I think, and Josh, you probably know more or Rodolfo, but, you know, so, um, homes on half acre lots. I mean, I think that's a nice, um, option for housing in our community. I like that it's, you know, we've, you've got, uh, Rural residential large lot properties to the south you've got estate properties in sycamore springs To the east and so I think this is probably like the best type of development Possible you know to be near those those existing properties, so I appreciate seeing that I really like that the plan preserves the mature trees and the existing vegetation and the streams and the ponds and I think the bike path that staff has required is excellent, 10 feet wide, all concrete. Everyone will complain on Facebook in the beginning that it doesn't go anywhere, but eventually it will. And it's nice, because you've got to start somewhere. I also like the diversity of housing designs, and they're trying to do bespoke designs on each lot. So that's nice. And I also think that the city has probably attracted this development in part because of the Northeast. sewer improvement project, which was kind of forward looking and I think this is what the city was hoping to get, this type of development. And I'll say also with the M1, kind of the legacy M1 to the west of railroad tracks and M1 which will, to the north that will now be under the newly redefined M1, there was definitely a risk that this property could have been M1 instead. Or even maybe someone would propose M2. To have a residential development there, I think, is very positive compared to more industrial development in that area.

So those are my comments. Yeah, well, I'll piggyback on that because we've had applications come through rezoning before and we've denied them. We said this is a residential area. And I think it was brought up earlier with the rail line. We said that rail line is our hard, steadfast line. And this side is residential. The other side, you say commercial and industrial because once we start rezoning the other side, industrial, we start to open Pandora's box. But I want to go back to the stormwater aspect of it and kind of that stormwater protection plan of it and just the layout of this. I do like the layout of it. I think when you look at the south side and the west side of this layout, it's a lot more orthogonal in nature. It's a lot more denser. So they're keeping the density away from the waterways and the neighbors. And I think as you start to move north and east closer. the neighbors there, you start to see that density decrease. You see deeper lots and a lot more respect, I think, to the natural topography and the waterways. So I applaud the applicant on just not sitting here and going with orthogonal development through here and blowing everything out, but actually being mindful of what is there. Yes, there are existing water issues, but again, I go back to that stormwater protection plan and that our city will hold them to it and you can't discharge more than the pre-constructed conditions. Outside of that, traffic, that's always going to be a thing. The developments usually come first. It's 149 houses, but there are four phases, so like fuzzy math is with 38 houses roughly, give or take, plus or minus. So it's not going to be 149 houses overnight. Just remind yourself that. I'm in a multi-phase division, subdivision. I've been there for 12 years, and I think we're on maybe phase three So it doesn't happen overnight. It's a process. There will be growing pains, but I think at the end of the day, I think this is the right location, a good layout.

Thank you. Any other comments?

No, I think both of you stated pretty much what I would have said. I think it's a good... thought-out plan and I think it's given the larger homes that are in the area that this is an ideal kind of development rather than having 350 homes smashed into this little piece of property yeah it's definitely lower density than the typical development

All right, if there's no further deliberation, I will entertain a motion.

I remember that part. You said three conditions.

So OK, let me think here.

Something about the accessory building.

Yeah, I had kind of drafted a semi example motion. Okay, so it would kind of be something like I moved to recommend approval of application. With a modification granted to permit accessory structures up to a size of 1200 square feet. I guess within that you would also say I recommend approval of the application per the conditions listed in the staff letter. with a modification to the maximum size of accessory structures up to 1,200 square feet.

Accessory structures are only on attached garage homes, correct?

Accessory structure, any accessory detached structure, but they can only have one. So they could either have a detached garage or a detached shed, but they can't have two detached structures.

Okay.

Yeah, that's a requirement set forth in our code that's not being modified.

So the detached garage qualifies as an accessory?

Yes.

Okay.

Go for it.

I don't know if I can do this. I move to recommend approval to the City Council as presented by staff's report with accessory buildings. included up to 120 square feet close 1200 square feet sorry i read a number before i spoke 1200 square feet spencer is that sufficient or does she need to describe the

Which, specifically which one? Z26-2PP?

Nope, that's sufficient.

Okay. I hear a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All right. Take the vote, starting on the right.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

All right, the motion passes 5-0. Okay, next on the agenda is Rhonda Dunn with the Capital Improvement Plan, 2027 to 2031. Good evening. Good evening.

Here we are again. I just chuckled thinking back to your first one.

All those years ago, all four years ago. It's good to be here again tonight. Thanks for your time and for serving the community. I'm here tonight to present to you the 2017-2031 capital improvement plan. And for the group that's here, if you don't have a copy of the documents, they're here on my desk. They're also available for people who are listening. So tonight our objective is to review the CIP and to determine if the plan fits the comprehensive plan. That is supporting the comprehensive plan and the objectives the city has set forward. And then in the end tonight you'll vote, you'll choose to vote to confirm or not to confirm The plan has a lot of projects in it, and so I'm really glad that we have staff here tonight. I have Jacob Spear, the public works director and assistant city administrator. And then we have, of course, Mike is here on behalf of community development and the city administrator. And then Allison, the city engineer, is also here to answer all of those project questions you already have been asking. So it's good. So let me tell you a little bit about the process we've been through so far. This process starts early in the year. In April, we started with council and staff to take a look at where the 26 to 30 plan was and what projects needed to be added, removed, extended, changed, and we've been working on it since then. We've had two staff work sessions on it and one public council work session as well. So a lot has gone into getting the plan to this point and getting the right projects in at the right time. Tonight I'm gonna focus on the projects that are new for this plan. In the budget book that you have, all of the projects from last year are in that budget book. And the hand up that you got tonight that looks like this And then I'll talk about the plan in its total. There are three categories that we look at in the capital plan. The first one we're gonna talk about are the public facilities projects. And these three bullet points are the, I guess, the criteria we look at to determine if the project fits in this category. And these statements do come from the existing approved comprehensive plan. The growth of a community is strongly dependent on its attractiveness to potential residents. The availability of jobs, good schools, housing, recreational opportunities, and many other factors drives the city's ability to attract new residents. The provision of quality public services, while often taken for granted, is critical to the growth of the city. And by the way, this plan is color coded all the way through, so whenever you see this pink-red color, those are public facilities. So then we have a list of about 14 new public facility projects. And then the other projects, like I said, were in the 26th plan. I'm gonna run through some of these quickly. You're welcome to ask questions. I will stop after each of these groups and open it to questions as well. So we have the North Webster Street sewer line, which is for housing north and west of the glass plant. Playgrounds, this is a new one. We have really nice playgrounds. We'd like to see them extended and improved upon or added new playgrounds where we need them. We have the 223rd Street loop trail, which is down, obviously, 223rd Street, running along Webster, between Webster and Victory. We will work on a sanitary sewer master plan, and then our salt storage building, which is where the public works building, our public works stores for winter weather. As the police department continues to grow, we will have fleet additions for those. and then we have a, I'll leave out the details, a fingerprinting system we need to put in place for court and police. We've done some upgrades and enhancements and extensions of the storm siren system here in Spring Hill, but as we annex and we grow, we will need to add storm sirens or improve the ones we have, so we're now budgeting each year for storm sirens. I want to point out the column called funding source, and whenever possible, you know we love to apply for grants, and so in the funding source, you'll see how we plan to pay for those things, and for example, on storm sirens, there could be FEMA or BRIC grants available, and we'll apply for those. Also, all the numbers you see here are net to the city, so if we already know we have a grant, The number here is netted down for the grant funds. This would be money needed by the city for that project. Lawnmower, roadside lawnmower, I'm gonna run through. Mobile data terminals, police department range, DIC generating system for streets, portable radio replacement, a sign truck. Those were all public facilities and equipment projects that were added in 2027. The biggest ones on there are the Webster Sanitary Sewer and then adding playgrounds each year, enhancing the playgrounds. Can I answer any questions about the public facility projects? And if not me, then maybe somebody in this room. Great. I'm gonna move on to this section of transportation projects. The criteria for these projects is the ability to transport people and goods from one place to another is one of the most basic components of economic and social systems. Consequently, the adequacy of a community's major street system has a substantial impact on the rate and pattern of future growth. And finally, long-range planning is necessary to ensure that the street system is able to expand efficiently. And the projects new in 2027 to 2031 are the ones you see listed here. They total over $100 million. And the primary reason that they're that kind of money are those railroad grade elimination projects. They take quite a bit of money. We believe there will be federal funding when we get there, we hope. And so hopefully that number will never We have improvements along 223rd Street from US 169 to Webster, and then there's a project from Webster to Victory, and then improvements at the Victory intersection. The 175th Railroad Crossing and 191st Street Railroad Crossing are on here. We've added the traffic signalization at 183rd that we talked about earlier tonight. We have plans to improve 191st Woodland Ridge View transportation master plan, 23rd Street master plan is in the works right now with the Miami County. And then we have a new project for 191st, US 169, and finally the cars project, the Johnson County cars project for 2031 is 215th from the city limits to 169 highway. Can I answer any questions about transportation projects? This is going great.

I've got a question. It's not there yet.

Okay. The next section, and I'll be brief with that because we did not add new projects to the community development projects, but the criteria for this is to take the unique blend, the new with the old, create a logical, well-balanced commercial residential development, maintain a colorful natural appearance, and responsibly use or preserve the city's natural resources and environments. I think we've done some of this work tonight. But like I said... There we go. We did not add new projects in this category. There are projects ongoing. The main sewer mains up to those areas on the northeast and the northwest are examples Okay, that's the end of project details. I'm gonna move into the summary. Back up to go forward. So when I take all the projects, not just the new ones I've shown you tonight, the three categories over five years have total expected costs That includes, as you can tell, the public facilities line, the middle one, over $205 million worth of facilities. And then we have transportation as the next larger category. When you look, some people like to look at numbers, some people like to look at the picture. And so you can see in the graph that 51% of the money would go to public facilities. About 38.9 to transportation. But I think it's important to take those a million dollar city hall, municipal complex, a police station, public works. So I pulled those big capital building projects out so you can see where the money is being spent. And that's this, this graph here which shows when you remove those projects, 74% of the planned capital projects would be in transportation, streets are the focus. And then the next category is community development, sewer lines and things like that. And then finally public facilities, the buildings, the equipment and things like that.

Rhonda, we can run through again the ones that you took out for the building.

I took out the wastewater treatment plant, the municipal She's a senior accountant in the finance department, and I'm up here talking to to her efforts. Okay, so I recategorized. It's great big numbers, great big lists. I've shown you how it fits with the capital plan, the comprehensive plan, but I wanted to show you by categories in the CIP where we're spending that money. So this gives you equipment, it gives you facilities, it gives you stormwater, it shows you traffic from SS4A, safety improvements, it shows you that big number for the wastewater treatment into smaller bites, if you will. And this is a graphical form of the same thing. Okay, I want to stop here. I'm going to show you some improvements to our online budget book, but I'll stop here and answer the questions.

Rhonda, my assumption, given the price tag on all of these items, that many of these items will never get done unless you plan to bond. a lot of money. In the last six years ago, the city in bonds only owed $30 million. Once the water plant is engaged, the city will owe over $200 million. So I don't know how you do $400 million in the next five years.

And if you look at that column that I pointed out that shows funding source, smaller projects, we're pretty pleased to say that we'll build big cash reserves and we'll pay cash for those projects. There are big projects on here like those $40 million railroad overpasses. We really expect to get federal money to step in. It's the feds that really want these things eliminated. There will be bonding along the way. We're gonna do a big project on 207 to improve the street there. There's housing going in. That will indefinitely take bonding. The wastewater treatment plant is not supported by property taxes, supported by the users and their fees. And so I don't like to say we won't do some of these projects. I think if we don't get some federal funding, they probably won't be doing a lot of railroad eliminations. I knew you had an answer. Did I hear you correctly?

Wastewater treatment facility the intent is that that will be paid for through users So that will in the beginning I mean that will serve the debt but eventually pay it off is that yes, okay, so And then I assume you've created models that model the expected growth of the city to be able to pay that off over whatever duration of time that you're forecasting. Okay.

We also looked at the surrounding area and also our competitors. You don't really compete in utilities. Either you provide them or you don't. But we looked at Johnson County Wastewater. We looked at Gardner. We looked at Olathe. And there will be times when the city and it is based on residential growth. We've experienced about 10.9% growth over the last five years. You're now growing on a bigger number and some things like that, but we have modeled the capacity needs of the plant based on an overall 4%, 6%, 8% growth over the next 20 years, 30 years, 40 years.

And so even at the lower end of the growth range it would still pay for itself okay that's great and and at what percentage of capacity is the current plant I'm just curious as background for the need we all know that Yeah, for sure. By my math, you're at 64% now, so you've got 21% left.

At the current growth rates, we're about three years away from getting that 85% number. So that's just about how long it takes.

Okay, kind of close. Thank you.

But there was also, correct me if I'm wrong, did we hear that there was also... or something?

Yeah, that is part of

But I remember back when we put that in, the projected probability was 2025, 2027. Just about hitting what it was suspected to do when we put it in back in the day.

So that gives you some confidence in today's planning, too, then. Right. Thank you.

Rhonda? Yes. Sidewalks. What's the big one in 28?

The big one in 28?

Yeah, the dollar scale.

South Street?

Yeah. South Street? Perfect.

I should bring up a good point I was going to say. I know you guys get a lot of questions and we're all out on social media. in the CIP because they'll say, are they ever going to fix nickels? Are they ever going to fix hail? That's in here in the timeline when we're going to do it and how much that costs. And so there is tons of information out there for people to go out and share with other people where the projects are and when they're planning to be done.

I was hoping you were going to say South, but I wasn't sure.

Yep, it is South Street.

Awesome.

What other questions can I answer?

This might be jumping all over, but the one I had had to do with the right-of-way acquisition, and it's unfunded. Would that be something that possibly a grant fund we could use? I just get nervous with how quickly we're growing and we're approving all these developments. And without a plan in place, I know we're kind of jockeying between needing a plan to understand what right-of-way needs to be acquired. But even when we get to that point, it's like we don't have any funding to acquire the right-of-way to develop this. We have the monies in here for trails and sidewalks and so forth, but we don't have anything to get it going to identify or to fund the right-of-way acquisition. So I'm just kind of nervous about that.

I'll tell you that the right-of-way that I think we're addressing in there is... highway driven okay if we want to have an overpass i think we're going to have to acquire so the reason that it's unfunded is we haven't really identified yet how that's all going to work and maybe a kdot project is going to acquire that as you say is that something kdot would help out on then if

for the funding if it was, is that something that KDOT would help out on with the funding then?

The short answer is we'll apply for every grant we can. We've been haggling with KDOT wherever we can. We have paid outright for right away

I mean, that makes sense because when I see the right-of-way acquisition, I'm going towards more city trail, like widened right-of-ways for widened paths and bike paths that we identify in a comp plan, not necessarily overpasses.

And it's a project-by-project? Right. It just depends on what that would be. And I know we have... Like 4.3 identified for parks and trails 4.3 million identified parks and trails down the road And I don't know if maybe some of that acquisition could be rolled into that number too as well so Yeah

environmental studies, that kind of stuff, engineering, any of that is supposed to be covered by the local funds. And then construction will be funded at a certain percentage. So there's certain grants that are that way. Other grants, it's, hey, we're just going to pay about 80% off all the costs. So we can continue to look at that.

Any other questions?

We're continuing to improve on the CIP reporting as well as the budget book. And I wanted to share with you some of the things that we're doing. You're going to see the budget book online. And this is what the CIP pages will look like in the online budget book. And the cool thing about it is you can click on any project It'll take you directly to that particular project's individual page. We use pictures, you guys have seen this. It talks about grants and other things that are going into it, what the cost is, and things like that. And it's interactive with the user. And this, the one that you're seeing here, has all of the projects in it. understand what the plans are and that we are planning for things even though sometimes it doesn't move as fast as we all want it to.

Ronda, is this live today?

It is not. We want one more pass from staff before we officially release it. It's getting close. That's great.

Yes.

I will open it up again to you for discussion if you'd like.

Any other questions for Rhonda?

These things are really starting to excite me. The last couple ones have been really good. Thank you. Every year they get better and better.

Rhonda, you've made some tremendous changes. It's like night and day. It is.

It is.

Wow, congrats. Terrific.

Very good. I move to recommend to City Council the 2730 to 31 capital improvement plan in compliance with the comp plan.

Second.

All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. All opposed? The motion carries.

Thank you so much.

Thanks, Rhonda. All right, announcements and reports.

Discussion.

Or discussion. Is there discussion specifically?

Yeah. Proceed with discussion. Okay. If you want it.

Does anyone have any discussion? Cindy, storm shelters, tornado sirens, garages. I want to go home. Okay.

Why do you pick on me about that?

I'm just asking. It's discussion. All right.

Used to be sidewalks. Ron just fixed that.

That's good.

And, you know, in comprehensive planning.

Yeah, I think Michael Carwin.

Yeah, I can give you a brief update on the comprehensive plan process. We have had three different meetings with our consultant. We're tentatively getting some dates on the calendar for some release dates of some interactive websites that they're building right now. There we will have a booth or whatever we call it tent booth at the fall fun or the fall fest so Hopefully to have a good interactive thing Presence there so we can pick up all of that wonderful feedback of the people who are attending that there will be a Website built and created we're working on the branding right now to kind of pick up from where we went with the last one on the looming something futures in bloom or something like that so in order to kind of separate those two processes we are going with a different brand so that we let the consultant have that brand that they did with the previous one so they're currently coming up with some designs for And some tag lines for that so things are kind of happening behind the scenes right now We don't want to roll it out and kind of a disjointed not very, you know, sorry to use the word but comprehensive way but when we do roll it out it it'll be pretty cool and then Yeah, we've had what three meetings We're finalizing all of the elements of our public participation plan With between multi studio and then the consultant that they're bringing on to help with that specifically Wilson and company so that is going to be a full-fledged plan just for the community engagement because You know when we when we talk to the city with the governing body the Marin City Council They said that that was one of the biggest components. They wanted to see going forward is really a getting as much feedback and public engagement as we've had on any of our plans to date. So they kind of want this to be our gold star effort, and I couldn't agree more. So there's things happening. It probably feels like we're in this delay mode, but there's a lot of work happening behind the scenes, and it will be starting to come about here within the next four to six weeks, if not sooner.

Is it a local company?

The company is Multistudio. They are a national company with a significant office here in the Kansas City metro. They have done comprehensive plans for a number of cities in the metro. I don't remember them all off the top of my head, but they're a well-known firm. Their principal, Graham Smith, is well-known, and they've done just a lot of comprehensive plans in the area. And then Wilson & Company is a multifaceted firm, wouldn't you say, Alison? They do quite a bit of engineering work, transportation, planning. parks and trails, and they're really kind of ramping up their whole urban planning side. And so they were brought on board because they have some staff members who are specialists in public engagement. And so they were brought on board specifically to handle that, to help alleviate some of that for multi-studio in terms of you know, having to coordinate all that. And so that, again, is one of the biggest components of it is that true community engagement and deliberate effort there.

So, Paul Fest, how would you capture comments? Are we doing a survey or?

We don't know yet. Just a dunk tank with the mayor tied to the feedback. Right. With your feedback, you get a throw. Yeah. Or if Mayor Young prefers, you could do a kissing booth.

I will be sure to let him know of your suggestion. Okay, please. I don't want to do anything that wastes people's time at that. You get just a very brief moment of somebody's attention. It may be as involved as it could be interactive, or it could just be a card with a QR code that leads to a survey. We've shared with them the informal one that Ian had put together earlier this summer. we that is going that interactive map that they're going to be building will allow people you know people in the public businesses anybody really to go in there and pinpoint areas within the city of what maybe what they want to see or how to solicit ideas and so Another big component is really trying to hit on that visioning. What do the residents, what do the businesses, what do planning commissioners, city staff, governing body members want to see the growth and the ultimate build out of the city 20 years from now, 30 years from now? What does the community want to be, if you will? There are some cities in the country in a similar boat that where they were 20 years ago have grown into 70, 80,000 resident suburbs. There's other cities that have kind of Maintain more of a protectionist attitude and they haven't grown very much at all. And so then there's even thousands more in between those two so really trying to get a sense and a pulse point on what the community wants to see and As I've said before not everybody wants to see the same things But the goal of the plan is to you know, appeal to everybody in some form I

a QR code questionnaire a year ago. That was probably the best way that we've ever done one. I've got the most response on the QR code. And the only thing I would ask is if we could somehow make sure that we're capturing where they're coming in from, either via zip code, or I don't know what the best way is for that. city or county or zip code or what but it would be nice to know whose thoughts or opinions we're looking at because if they're just a visitor coming into spring hill they could be out of state and have a totally different perception of what they see when they come into the community so it just would be interesting

Yeah, that is one of the critical points that they're working to build into that website and or feedback and the QR code. It's trying to capture who's and where people are coming from that are giving us this feedback because, you know, the vision of the community for not just residents and businesses but also visitors and is there a potential market for tourism down here and why are people visiting Spring Hill is and so we're also going to be doing a contract with a software firm called placer AI and it's a essentially Data gathering point information and location tracking so anybody that has their location on their phone or their credit cards and basically all of that data that that people are giving away freely and to really track where those people are stopping, what they're visiting, so we can, for example, look at, you know, on our first Fridays, first Fridays events, we can see who is visiting, how many people, what are the peak hours, where they came from. And not only that, what they did before they came here and then what they did after. And so that is a good tool for us as we look to those events, but we can also do it to all the businesses in town. And it's a great tool for us to see traffic pattern movements, where people are going when they leave Spring Hill in the morning, what they're doing on their way home. It's a little scary how good the information can be, but it really helps us understand that that data helps us understand the true dynamics of what is happening and who's coming here.

I totally understand that. We did that just last week with Johnson County Fair. We didn't use Placer, but we did do that, and the City of Gardner also had one in place. I'm not sure what they had, but yeah. So I totally understand, and it was very beneficial to be able to

And so just another report I know Spencer's got something but at the last couple of items related to Community Development at the City Council there were none that June 11th on the 25th the approval of the conditional use permit was site plan for the Spring Hill High School

continuing education and common areas addition and that was it thank you Spencer thank me briefly for you all next month we will be bringing you a proposed change to the zoning code as it relates to the Planning Commission one of those changes will be to take the code language that Enables and governs you all and move it out of the zoning code and put it in a chapter one with the rest of the boards and commissions So everything is in one place the other changes that have been requested by staff and governing body and again, this will be a Public hearing for you all to recommend just like any other zoning code change one of the reasons we're moving in is that's a lot of work for What hopefully in the future is just kind of housekeeping items? One of them will be combining the Planning Commission with the BZA That is something that a lot of cities in Kansas do we're having one BZA hearing about every two to three years, which is just enough time for members to roll off their appointment. And then Amy is scrambling. So by combining that, what would happen is every few years when there's a BZA hearing, that would just be the same night as a planning commission. You would open that meeting at 7, run through that in a short period of time, and then commence the planning commission meeting right after that. So it's a way to streamline and make sure that When people file those requests for a BZA hearing, we can get that done a little quicker rather than running around and trying to ask you all who wants to be appointed for this one and play musical chairs there. The last item that will be up for consideration in that change will be changing the language of membership. Right now, it is two members must live in the county, one Johnson, one Miami. And historically, we've had some problems filling both of those seats. One of them has been open for a while now. The request has been to consider changing that to up to two members can be non-city residents, which would be in the county, which allows us to still have two county residents on this commission. But if we can't get two county residents, it allows us to fill it with a city resident to make sure that we can have a full commission, which is what we want, not struggle with quorum. And it allows flexibility too as the city grows as maybe some unincorporated parts of each county start disappearing or ending up in one city or another, um, that we're not kind of boxing ourselves into a corner there. So again, nothing before you tonight to consider nothing that you guys really even need to talk about tonight. We just wanted to put that before you as food for thought. And then a month from now, um, we'll have a public hearing and you guys can have had a month to think it over and come forward with your recommendations for the governing body. Um, other than that, for anyone who hasn't been paying attention, the city has appointed my replacement, will be Misty Brown she is probably going to be starting in late September ish so this isn't my last meeting but we're getting close to that with you all and you will be in excellent hands with her so just wanted to make sure you guys are aware that you're almost done putting up with me and most people get pretty excited by that so I wouldn't say that Yeah, so it would just be up to two members that live in the county, an unincorporated county. So non-city residents, but they also can't be an Olathe, Overland Park Gardener resident, but either county. So it could be Johnson County or Miami County. It'll probably still be within three miles of the city. Yeah, so that's a holdover. The state statutes historically have allowed cities to do extrajudicial zoning. So you could have zoning requirements on unincorporated areas of the city up to three miles out, as long as you had county residents on your planning commission. The city has not been interested in imposing zoning regulations on the county for a long time. So this is just a holdover of that ability in the past, which no one is really interested in doing. So we're starting to dial that back and, you know, rethink whether we really need to be having that possibility available.

We used to have it on the Miami County site.

Spencer that's interesting because I always thought it was just a an acknowledgement of the fact that it's a growing city and with our fringe areas are unincorporated and all of those every obviously every annexation is an unincorporated area so I always thought that the county residents were a hat tip or a nod or making sure there's some representation of the people who are in the path of growth?

Honestly, it's probably the opposite. That came in before the city was a very quick-growing city. So while it works that way now, and that's why the two county seats aren't just being wholesale removed, we did just want to maybe propose some flexibility in that membership rather than splitting up one for each county.

Will there be... Thanks.

This isn't targeted at you. I just want to make that very clear.

How did you know where I was going? But it sounds like there won't be a requirement, though. There will be the option of having up to two county representatives, but there's no requirement. Correct.

Okay.

Any other announcements? Nope. Okay. Okay. Rhonda, anything in addition?

I'm going to have a fun one. I just want to remind everybody that tomorrow is the final first Friday of the summer. I've seen several of you at first Fridays, and it's going to be a fun one. It's the back-to-school night, so I think it'll be full of kids and fun. There's a dunk tank. I may have heard a mayor is in that. See? No. So you may want to go down there and, you know, take out your aggressions or whatever you have. But anyway, and we'll have food trucks and stuff. And it's just really a great community night. A lot of smiling, happy people and neighbors talking to neighbors. So if you get a chance, please come out 530 to 830 downtown tomorrow night.

Thank you.

That's $40. I'll need to bring. Yeah.

All right, Allison, tell us about the K7 corridor.

Yes. Is that better? Okay, I'll start over for those following along at home. So KDOT is working on the K7 corridor study. It starts at I-35 to the north and goes through Olathe and Spring Hill down to the Johnson County line. And this is a partnership with the City of Olathe, City of Spring Hill, Johnson County, and KDOT. The team has done some public engagement. They've done some stakeholder events. We've had one open house here at City Hall that was back, I wanna say September-ish. And then they're going to host another open house in Olathe. They wanna work a little bit further along on some of their recommendations. They're to the point where they're starting to draw pretty pictures of each of the intersections along the corridor. to come up with the ultimate plan. So whether it is signalized intersections or overpasses or an actual interchange or something along those lines. So if money were no object, and you know money is an object, what would that design be? So hopefully I'll have more information for you moving forward, but that's... What they're working on right now, I believe there will be opportunity for another touch point with some public engagement whenever they host that open house. So they'll have community reaction to some of the concepts that they have, that they've drawn up.

And I've heard you say the next one will be organized in Olathe or by Olathe.

It'll be in Olathe, and I forget exactly what they said where it was, but I can't remember. But we're going to push that information out through our social media because I encourage anybody here in Spring Hill that didn't get the opportunity to go to the open house that we had just across the hall. Please go to the one in Olathe. The team will be there. KDOT will be there. You'll have an opportunity to talk to the who's who with the KDOT staff so you can tell them about all your concerns related to 169 and K7. Terrific. Thank you. I don't know if I have any other things. I pretty much gave you all my updates from before. I will go ahead and say it just for public consumption. I'll mention it next week too. 199th Street, we are going to be closing a portion of that starting next week. It will be daytime closure only from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., and it's going to be that section from the entrance to Prairie Ridge to Renner. There will be detour signs and such, but they will open that up every night. The reason we have to do this is we've got some crossroad pipes that we need to put in, And the safest and quickest way to get it done is just to do a full closure. We do want to get this done ahead of school starting on the 17th. So that's why we're scrambling to try to get this done and not prolong this because we want to make sure that it's open to traffic. If it does need to be prolonged into the week of the 17th, I have asked them to modify their hours to after school starts and to be done. By the time school opens, they've told me that if it does need to be closed and they could look at doing flaggers or something along those lines if they need anything else. Anything else for me?

Oh yes, I do.

Yeah, a lot going on here. So as we talked about before, we have our wastewater treatment facility that we're trying to build within the next three years so that we don't run out of capacity and all of that good stuff. We are going to have a presentation next week. We'll have a public hearing here in this room next Thursday, the 13th at 7 p.m. We will have a short presentation about all the great things that we're going to be doing with the plant. So if you guys want More information about the style, the type, the size, all the great things. Maybe a couple of pretty pictures, who knows? Or just maybe pictures, they won't be pretty. But come and join us, get some additional information. We'll share that with the community. This is a requirement for us. We are going to be getting loan from state and federal sources so that we can help pay for this. I am seeking grants too, but that's a whole other discussion. Anyway, we'll be in here. You'll have an opportunity to speak after the presentation. And then the other, we do have another item on the agenda next week that is noteworthy for the public. We are a municipal separate storm sewer system, MS4 for short. It's our stormwater permit. So we are a baby MS4, which means we're on year zero right now. With that, we had to create a stormwater management plan. We will be presenting that next Thursday, the 13th, in conjunction with the meeting. We will have an opportunity for public comments at the conclusion of our presentation. If you have any questions about how we're going to manage our stormwater, how we're going to educate the community and get them involved with some of the stormwater concerns. These are requirements that come down from ultimately EPA, but it's Kansas Department of Health and Environment that requires us to have national pollutant discharge and elimination system permit or an MS4 permit so that it outlines all the great things that we're going to do as far as good housekeeping, street sweeping, and all the things to keep our streams clean. So a lot going on next Thursday. Did I miss anything?

And that meeting is here?

The meeting will be here. It'll be city council. We'll be presenting it all during the city council meeting next week.

Great.

Okay.

Anything else? No? All right. Thank you. All right. Are there any other announcements and reports? Okay. If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting.

So moved.

Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? All right, meeting is adjourned. Thanks, everyone.