Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I was at I'd like to call the uh June 5th uh planning commission to order. Ashley's not letting me know what she's got to St. Luke. And I'd like to have us rise for the pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic indivisible with all. We have the roll call. Miss Canable. Miss Dobson. Mr. Hehart here. Mr. Mitchell. Mr. Aravalo here. Miss Kier here. Mr. Sly here. Miss Squire here. Mr. Morris here. Chairman, we have a quorum. Too late to say here. Oh, there you are. of agenda, questions, issues. If not, any changes? Okay. If not, all those in favor of approving the agenda as noted. on the right. I I I I I All those opposed? Oh, who motion?

No one. But is the motion to approve the agenda as published? I move to P to approve the agenda as published. the citizen participation. I don't know if anybody signed up. If anybody would like to speak though, even though you did not sign up, we're this is a time that you are if you've got a concerned issue that you'd like to speak to the council about commission about, you're free to do so. If not, we'll move on. SS4A comprehensive safety plan. Approval minutes. Approval. Oh, I'm sorry. Approval of the minutes. I move. Oh, go for it. I move that we approve the minutes. Second. Second. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. All those opposed. Abstensions. 700 approved. Okay. We got the floor. Hello everyone. I'm Allison Ael. I'm the city engineer here at the city of Spring Hill. Um I've met most of you. Um we have been working diligently over the last since October on the safe streets for all program. Uh the city of Spring Hill received a grant from the US DOT to do this program. We um had a lot of public engagement. We did some technical analysis. We hired an engineer to help

us out with the um traffic information. in the technical analysis um and also the public engagement. And we wanted to um present our findings tonight to you. We've got boards located around the room that kind of summarizes some of our findings and some of the recommendations we have from the plan. Uh and uh we're going to do a formal presentation for you guys tonight. What we're looking for from you is a recommendation to the city council to adopt the SS4A plan. We've got a lot of things that are uh going on right now. We not only are working on this plan, but we are looking to from this plan, this is the framework for us to move forward with doing capital improvements throughout the city, whether it's roadway or sidewalks or other things. And having this plan is key to engaging in some of those grant opportunities for us to make our our funding go a little bit further. So with that, I would like to introduce a couple of special guests that we have in the audience. Um the project manager for this was Jay Aber from HDR and uh we also have Taylor Mckenry from HDR that also helped out with this plan and has been um a great resource with helping us to get the uh grant application. So with that, Jay, you want to come on up and do the presentation? [Music] Miss Bang. Thank you, Miss Ael. Uh, so I am Jay Aber. Members of the commission, thank you for having us here tonight. Uh, we're excited to present uh our draft final comprehensive safety action plan, the Safe Streets for All Plan for Spring Hill. This is something uh, as Allison mentioned, we've been working very hard on for the last 9 months or so. I got a lot of great input from the public, uh, a lot of good insights from this. Um, and it's been a real pleasure working with your city staff and your

public uh, on this plan. So, I'm going to go through a relatively brief presentation. Uh, I have the plan up as well. You all have the plan on your desk. I wanted to give plenty of time if you have comments or questions or want to flip through uh look at any specific sections. We also have appendices, a couple hundred pages of appendices if you want to get into the really into the weeds. Uh, we have that as well. So, I'll just go through a little background of why safety, why we're talking about this in Spring Hill right now, the planning process that we've gone through, and then uh very briefly cover uh the action plan and recommendations uh and then of course we can bring up the plan itself uh to look at any of those uh recommendations in detail as well. So, why we're talking about safety uh in Spring Hill right now is really because of uh the crashes that have happened. So between 2014 and 2023, there were 379 traffic crashes uh on streets in and around Spring Hill. Eight of those were fatal crashes, 42 of those were serious injury crashes, and over 300 of those were minor injury crashes. And um when we talked about this a lot of times we get we can kind of get lost in the numbers just thinking about the numbers but we also recognize that each one of these pe crashes represents people valuable members of the community uh family members children co-workers that were involved in these crashes. And we actually asked uh Spring Hill residents in our online survey if they had been personally affected by these crashes, whether they knew someone who'd been injured or killed in a crash or whether they had been injured themselves. And almost 70% of the people who took our survey said that they did know someone uh who had been injured uh or had been injured themselves. Uh so there's an enormous human cost to this, social costs and cost to the community. But we can also look at this in social value terms and economic terms and there are costs to

crashes happening. There are healthcare costs. There are uh loss productivity costs. There are many costs involved in these things. And when we look at that, add that up for these crashes, adds up to over $200 million in economic cost to the community of Spring Hill. So there's a a human cost and also an economic cost. Well, we're talking about safety these days. We're talking a little different than we did in the past. In the past, we talked a lot about behavior and trying to perfect people's driving, but we know that we're not perfect. None of us are perfect. I'm not a perfect driver. Sometimes we make poor decisions. Sometimes we're rushing to get to work. We're late. we're going too fast, we get distracted. Um, and we know it's not realistic to perfect everybody's behavior all the time and have everybody be perfect drivers. So, what we're thinking about with the safe systems approach is is acknowledging that people are going to make mistakes, but then thinking about how can we change the system completely so that those mistakes don't result in somebody being killed or seriously injured. So when we think about safe system approach, we're thinking about these different pillars, a very holistic uh and comprehensive way to look at safety and thinking about the people and their behavior and who is involved, but also the vehicles they're driving, the speeds that they're driving at, the roads they're driving on, uh and then also if a crash does occur, that postc crash care and get our emergency responders to the scene as quickly as possible. So within that safe system approach, we wanted to focus on reducing traffic fatalities and injuries, creating safer streets for all users, and supporting growth and and livability in the community. So uh as Miss Ael mentioned, the United States Department of Transportation did fund uh 80% of this project. Uh this was part of the safe streets for all discretionary grant program that was authorized under the bipartisan infrastructure law and the city of Spring Hill paid for the remaining 20%. Uh this plan was set up to guide the next 20 years of work in the community for safety. Safety is really a long-term commitment. So thinking about what can we do today,

what can we do the next two 3 years, next 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. Um and again thinking about not just safety, but also the health, the well-being, letting people giving people the ability to walk, feel more safe to walk, bike, uh get out there and do recreational activities safely as well. So I'm going to talk through the planning process itself and a lot of this was really focused on engagement with the public. Uh we know this issue is something that people are very uh engaged with. People are very passionate about improving safety. We heard this over and over again in the community when we were out talking to PE members of the public. So the community engagement events was really important part of that. Uh we had five public events. uh we we really wanted to go where the people were rather than just having public meetings because we know it's challenging for people to take off time off their schedule to come to a special public meeting. So four of these events were uh out in the community, hometown holidays, daffodil days, going to the library, having uh coffee at city hall. Um really able to get to a lot of people that may not normally engage in public activities. Uh but then of course we also did have our open house um a couple weeks ago uh here uh across the hall here uh to really have the the formal presentation of the draft action plan and projects. In addition to the public engagement, we had advisory committee was very active advisory committee. We met three times throughout the process. We had a lot of great engagement from uh many members of city staff, police department, fire district 1, uh USD230, um different enga uh other agencies. Uh Kat was a big part of this. We know US 169 highway or K7 highway uh is where a lot of these crashes are happening. Uh KOT has shares a similar concern with safety. Uh so they were very active uh in the advisory committee as well. Um so we really use that committee to bounce ideas off of to learn from them to test ideas to ask them are we going in the right direction are these the right actions are these right projects uh and learned a great deal from

them. In addition to these inerson events we had online engagement which uh hopefully many of you saw uh this online uh we reached uh 130 residents uh with our um online survey that we had a lot of specific questions about behavioral uh different things with behavior. uh again the kind of human costs and and how people were affected by this. Um so we got a lot of great information about that and we also had a uh an interactive web map where people could go on and say they had areas of concern if they had identified opportunities for improvement uh or if they had other ideas. Uh so we got a lot of great input from the public uh through those two online resources. The next part of this uh looking at public going from the public engagement uh which we can learn a great deal from public engagement uh but we can also learn a lot from the crash data itself. Uh the police reports uh very comprehensive in where the crashes are happening, what are the contributing circumstances, what kind of roads they're on. So we did do a transportation safety analysis. We look at those different uh contributing circumstances um and not just behavioral aspect but also what kind of roads were these on. What was the land use context? Was it agricultural? was a commercial, it was residential, these kinds of things. We come up with a a good picture of uh what's happening in the community. And what was really great about this exercise was learning through the crash data and hearing the same thing from the public. Um so the public definitely has a good understanding of safety uh and concerns for safety and we can see that represented in the crash data as well. A big part of the the data analysis is really uh identifying priority areas for where to make improvements. uh because we have uh a lot of information from an engineering perspective, especially from a transportation roadway perspective, how to make roads safer, but we know uh resources are not unlimited, funding is not unlimited. So, we really need to target our efforts to the specific areas of the greatest need. So, a big part of that was this high injury network that

we created where we show the areas with the highest concentration of crashes throughout the city. And on the high network, those red lines there that those are about 25% of the streets in and around Spring Hill, uh, but they represent over 80% of the fatal and serious injury crashes. So, we don't have to go and fix every single street in the area, but we really have a concentrated uh challenge uh that we can tackle. So we use this uh data analysis, the public engagement, the advisory committee to come up with set of guiding principles for the plan and um these are the principles that we use as we're making decisions. We're putting together the action plan of what we wanted to focus on. So of course we want to focus on safety for all people no matter how they're traveling through uh the community. We want this to be very collaborative. We know a lot of these uh challenges are on county roads or on state jurisdictional roads. We want to collaborate with those agencies, also with our emergency responder partners. Want to be very proactive. We know Spring Hill is growing quickly, third or uh fastest growing city in the state, third year in a row. Uh and so we know that just because there is a road where there haven't been crashes to date, doesn't mean that it doesn't necessarily have risk factors that as the community grows, as new subdivisions are built, as new schools are built, there might be uh ch safety challenges in the future. We want to be proactive and and work to prevent those. Of course, we want that focused action. We know budgets aren't limited. So, we need to really focus our efforts to what's most impactful. And uh as I mentioned upfront, this is something that is a very long-term proposition. So, commitment to this effort to safety uh and showing progress and and having transparency is important as well. We also developed a set of safety focus areas um looking at the high injury corridors. Again, focusing our efforts there. rightway departure crashes where over half of the crashes that's where a vehicle leaves the road, hits a fixed object or overturns. A lot of the higher

speed kind of county uh style roads are where those are happening. The high-speed intersections as well out in the county. We heard a lot from the residents of intersections like 199th in Ridge View near the schools where we have high-speed traffic, uh stop control, maybe not much street lighting, uh and we do see a pattern of crashes there. Walking in bicycling facilities is something we heard every single time we talk to people. sidewalks, sidewalks, sidewalks, crosswalks, the ability to walk and bike around town, trails. Uh, and we don't have a huge uh history of crashes among pedestrians and cyclists in the community, but we know it's important and we know how quickly uh an an event can turn into a fatal crash uh or a serious injury crash when involves a pedestrian cyclist. Speeding was another big focus area which um I think was one of the things that when we talked to the public was uh one of the things the public really didn't have as much of a intuitive understanding of when we asked them about behaviors that they saw as dangerous. They saw uh not wearing your seat belt being intoxicated distracted driving as extremely dangerous but speeding was only moderately dangerous. But when you look at the crash statistics, about 20% of the serious crashes involve speeding, 20% involved distraction, and 20% involved intoxication. So speeding when we look at the crash data is just uh as dangerous or high risk of an activity uh but the public didn't see it as such. So that was something with uh some of our educational recommendations and the action plan to really focus on speeds uh and speed enforcement as well. Also, teen drivers and older drivers are over represented uh in the crash data. So I will go through briefly again the action plan and recommendations and what we have in the plan. I won't dwell in too much detail here because we have the plan itself and we can look at any of these that we have. Uh but the plan does include a set of recommended countermeasures. These are things that were really well supported by the public or really well supported by by data analysis. Some of those top ones were

roundabouts, uh, which have a really fantastic safety record. A lot of places are 100% reduction in fatal crashes, uh, and serious injury crashes. Sidewalks, again, is something we heard over and over, uh, obviously a fantastic safety treatment to get pedestrians off the road and onto the sidewalk. Uh, and also access management as we're building these roads out. Um, being um, diligent about thinking about the interactions with driveways, with minor roads. Uh this goes for US uh 169 highway, but also uh some of the county roads as we build them out. Thinking about can we um manage the number of driveways? Can we use medians to manage those crossing conflicts and left turn conflicts? So these countermeasures and there's a whole lot more in the plan itself, but these countermeasures are what we would uh think about applying on the projects that we identified. So I identified 25 projects about 30 miles a little under 30 miles of total improvements throughout the community. They're grouped into different uh jurisdictions because we know the city has different levels of influence on these jurisdictions. We have five projects uh that are on the KAF facilities on on K7 or on US 169. We have four projects that are uh fully county road projects that are fully outside the city boundary and then we have 16 projects that are either fully within the city limits or split the jurisdiction between city and county. Uh, now with the city project particularly, um, I think 17 miles of road is a lot of road to reconstruct. That's a lot of funding. U, but if we're thinking about this as a 20-year plan, we have a little over 17 mi of road to address. Uh, the city right now between the different funding sources, whether it's city funds, county funds, other funds, uh, rebuilds about one mile roads per year. So, it's not a completely unrealistic amount of roadway to think about over the next 20 years. We've just got a list of the city priority projects uh which I won't go through each one by one, but they are prioritized. Uh we have our previously programmed projects that are already

funded for construction that we want to see how we can incorporate more uh even more safety elements into. But then the priority 1 projects, priority 2 projects, and priority three projects. And some of those top priority one projects 223rd Street from US 169 east to Woodland Road, Ridgeview Road from 191st to 199th and Ridge View Road from 199th to 207th. These are roads that had the highest number of crashes and were also things that we heard over and over again from the public that they really wanted to address. So then we have our program projects, our countermeasures. We also have the action plan itself. uh we have short-term actions, medium-term actions, and long-term actions. Thinking about how we can do these things in the next couple years in the short term. Uh maybe out to the 10ear horizon in the medium-term and out to 20 years uh in the long term. A couple of the short-term items we have here, um some of these things, passing a vision zero resolution committing the city to eliminating deaths, uh and serious injuries, um was a top thing that we heard for the commitment. Also establishing a transportation safety board was something that uh was idea from the advisory committee that people were uh felt very passionate about that if we don't have uh a body that's really overseeing this overseeing the implementation doing annual checkups uh annual implementation plans that it wouldn't be as effective. So establishing that board of citizens doing annual planning um implementation plan and reporting plans uh and also pursuing grant funding opportunities. There's the Safe Streets for All grant funding opportunity uh that Miss Abel mentioned up front that my colleague Taylor Mckenry is working on that grant application right now. It's a great opportunity for more funding uh and there's a lot of other grant opportunities out there as well. Another thing I want to point out in the short-term actions is the police enforcement as well. This is something that would have uh of course budget implications, but we saw uh Spring Hill Police Department does a really great

job. Uh, Sergeant Ryhold was very involved in our advisory committee. I had a lot of great insight. Um, they don't have a huge police force to be out there enforcing as much as they would like. So, thinking about how can we maybe increase the amount uh of officers we have uh maybe increasing funding for overtime pay to do even more uh enforcement, especially related to speed enforcement. So, that's what I have for the presentation itself. And again, I flew through some of those action steps uh and projects because I have that up here. Um if we wanted to talk through any of those, if you had any questions about any of those action steps in particular, any of those projects, I'd be happy to answer them. I've got a couple of questions. Um I'm curious how the 379 um accidents over a 9-year period compared to other communities our size. Are we worse average or below average? Uh Spring Hill has done a lot of work uh over the years to improve safety. So this plan is really a continuation of those efforts and actually what we're seeing is a decrease in serious crashes, injury crashes in the community, which is much different than most places. We've seen a big increase over the last 10 years in most communities. So I think Spring Hill is uh among the lower uh end in terms of fatal crash rate. Uh so again done very good work over the preceding 10, 15, 20 years uh to improve safety. Um but of course as we think about it, you really one fatal crash is one too many. Um but I do think the city has done a good job in focusing on safety and focusing on enforcement to keep it a safe community. Yeah, I I I think you're right. And one one of the things that I've always appreciated is whenever the police department or police chief does their annual report, it's interesting how many stops they make every year and how less than half of those stops, maybe it's

even 30%, but result in a in a citation being written. So that that tells me they're really doing it for safety reasons, you know, versus revenue generation. So I think that helps a lot. Um, another question I had was was there any analysis in the crash statistics related to the types of vehicles that were involved? For example, I'm really referring to like passenger cars versus commercial truck traffic. Um, so we don't in the data that we have from the state, we don't have uh detailed vehicle data um in terms of different types of vehicles. We do have a marker for commercial vehicles versus non-commercial vehicles. So, most of those are semi-truckss. Um, and I don't remember the number off the top of my head, but it's a very low percentage. I think it was one or like 1 or 2% involve commercial vehicles. So, the majority of these are people, you know, drive around town going about their business, not necessarily those commercial drivers, those semi-truckss. Okay. I mean, I I noticed like where I live along Rididge, it's definitely a hot spot. I mean, Ridge from 183rd to 191st, there's, I don't know, 15 yellow dots and and I've personally, you know, witnessed at least two that involved one was a semi and one was a concrete truck. So, you know, one of my concerns is the impact of truck traffic on passenger car safety as the amount of traffic increases on our, you know, um, surface streets. And so, that's why I kind of asked if you had looked into that. Um does your plan make any recommendations on um specific road improvements like you know this should go from this category road to that category road? This plan does not go into that level of detail. Um so we do have a little bit of detail on the plan on the projects themselves. Um, but what we really wanted was this. Use this plan as a way to prioritize the locations for these improvements and then provide that

guidance for those best practices for those locations like the roundabouts, the access management, those kinds of things. Um, partly just to give the city some flexibility moving forward and not try especially thinking about these projects that might be 10 or 20 years and being very prescriptive in the specific type of improvement. Sure, that makes sense. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Great presentation. Can we talk about the grants for a minute? Yes, absolutely. I've got so many little questions running here. Is this a one-time grant or is this a renewable grant? Is this a we win this grant, we can go out after more? Is this a grant that the city has to meet so many dollars or can you give us some more insight into the grant? Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, I might call up my colleague Mr. Mckenry uh to talk more about the grants because he's really the grant specialist. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's going to be multiple opportunities to apply for funding. Uh we like Miss Abel said that we are working on an implementation grant to fund some of these top priority projects which Jay listed here are posted here on on here. So yeah, there'll be this year and then next year we'll also have another opportunity to apply for funding as well. Um after fiscal year 26 there isn't any programmed funds for the program. However, um we're seeing that the administration seems pretty favorable towards the program. So, we're we're hopeful that they continue to fund the program after fiscal year 26. So, but are these the city has to meet so many

dollars or right? Yeah. So, it's um the city Yeah. city's required to provide 20% match. Um, now there is a organization within um the state of Kansas that provides there's a there's a pot of money that they um allocate to local municipalities to help them with their match money. And so we've actually been um helping Allison utilize those funds as well. So um and that organization is called Kansas Infrastructure Hub and they will um give out match money to help with with your match. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Allison, do you see this recommendations or or short-term and midterm and long-term objectives as impacting the CIP that the city does? We will include this action plan within our CIP. So this will be a good guide for us. You know, this is perfect timing because we're actually working on the budget and CIP for next year. So we will roll a lot of these recommendations into next year's CIP and into our 5-year CIP. So um this is just another guide for us to go by um to help with that. One thing I wanted to point out with the US DOT grants, you know, to I'm sorry to circle back to your question about the funding. Um this was $150,000 $250,000 um uh program that that it cost us to do uh the study. We paid 20% actually we paid less because we only paid $12,500. That was our the extent of our local match for

$250,000 worth of a study. And that was thanks to the Kansas Infrastructure Hub. So I wanted to kind of cover that. But there is a significant uh resource out there in that Kansas infrastructure hub to help out cities just like ours. So anyway, hopefully that answered that just to kind of give you a magnitude of, you know, what how we benefited with this one in particular. And we're going to continue to look for those opportunities to partner um so that we can get these things done. And then that will help alleviate some of the pressure off of our future CIP um so that we can uh utilize some of those funds on multiple projects uh so that we can put in more sidewalk and put in more roadway each year and not have as much of a burden on our on our budget. Sure. No, I I think a number of the items that you got mentioned in the report really align themselves with some of the discussion we had as we looked at the comprehensive plan for the city. Oh, yeah. Other comments, questions. Is this plan like finalized for um the suggestions for the projects um the city street projects? Is that kind of Yeah, I guess finalized if this were to be approved with what would be the plan going forward. So, I think next week at council if this is approved um then you know it'll be approved document at that point of course it all be amended but I think one thing we wanted to talk to you about at this meeting was to make sure that you were comfortable with moving this forward to council. So if you do have any specific recommendations on any of the projects and the priority and if you have questions we could always talk through you know how we came up with those. But yeah, we're certainly open to

suggestions from from you all tonight um to make any any edits we need to before we go to council next week. Okay. Interesting. I have a simple question, but I apologize if it is out of um order. on page 49 of this packet that you gave me, it shows 175th Street, um, highlighted red on West and the east side of the highway. And I thought that I saw when we were looking through which ones were like the most important the way that you guys had them listed out that like 175th Street West was like higher impact. Um, I guess what determines is it just the amount of access that happen on the east side versus the west side? Uh, because it's red all the way across on these charts. So, where can I see those numbers? Um, on 175th Street. So, it had the west side slated as being more important, if that makes sense, than the east side. So, I guess I'm curious as to where those numbers are to see because this is this is all red through here. question major accidents and along 169 five out of eight deaths on 169 this is prioritized major over this so I'm just kind of serious that's right why this and most of the serious actions are also low put a light in here yeah so I have the map here that shows the actual crash location specific crash location so 175th this in this map is rotated you on that way I can Um let's see 17 page 17. Yeah. So this is the actual crash locations themselves. So um part of it being on the high network and

on as recommended project is because of the intersection at 169. Um and you know most of those issues are related to the highway but they're certainly also related to uh how 175th Street approaches the highway. We know we've got those curves there. We've got some hills. We've got the traffic signal. Um potentially some challenges. We do have a a fatal crash west of 169 on 175th Street. I don't believe that was actually related to the intersection. I think that was a single vehicle crash uh and some other um minor injury crashes. Then going over to Lowell, we have another serious injury crash over there. On the east side, we don't have as many uh of those severe crash. We have some more minor injury crashes. Um, in terms of prioritization, I think it's also important to note that we prioritize them separately for the city street projects, the county road projects, and the highway projects. Um, so I think uh when we think about this, obviously for the city today, uh the things that we exert the most control over is of course our city streets. So um you know, especially 175th west of the highway is fully outside the city limits. So that's a top priority. county road intersection uh or county road segment. Um but again, probably wouldn't be the city's number one priority to pursue funding for or pursue improvements since it is in the county. Um but again, we did think it was important to look at those roads outside the city limits because the city's growing so quickly that if there was some um recommendation for annexation in the future, for example, you might want to take that into consideration that maybe there are some safety issues on that road that um could impact the decision for annexation or or development in that area. Thank you. Does that answer your question? Yes, it does. Thank you. Do we have when you're looking at the priority on pri on on priority two projects do we have communication from

the railroad on the railroad crossing? So there is a separate grant program the rail crossing elimination program. Uh that's another bipartisan infrastructure law program. um this stretch of railroad has received funding to do a study for rail cross elimination and it's not just elimination but it's also improvement right um so I the the text of the plan does mention that in that these are all of the remaining grade crossings uh in the Spring Hill area on the BNSF rail line and those would all be intersections that would be studied for improvement as part of that rail crossing elimination grant. So there would be certainly a lot of coordination with the railroad as that as that grant and as that plan goes forward. And does any of the realignment of Webster Street have anything to do with the 223rd in terms of adding 223rd to this or the potential solutions? Pri uh priority projects. So, so 223rd, there are uh one of the serious crashes is on Webster just north of 223rd. Um it was a pedestrian serious injury crash uh just north of that intersection. There weren't other crashes on Webster to put it on as a priority project in that location. Um but thinking about the number of crashes on 223rd and also that crash just off of 223rd. Um it's especially about the highway, it's somewhat of a challenging corridor because we have so many closely spaced intersections. Um so I think one of those solutions of thinking about how does Webster Street align in the future to meet 223rd and what does that intersection look like? um you know

generally spacing that further from the interchange um is beneficial certainly for safety. Um it does cause challenges with the existing road uh Webster south of there. Um and so um I know there's been some thoughts about roundabouts on that corridor which would be really an ideal safety treatment on that corridor because then the the access could be maintained on Webster the South without negatively impacting the businesses. you wouldn't be able to take a left turn out of the development, but you could turn right and make an easy U-turn at the roundabout or vice versa. So, um I think realigning Webster development in that area, that would all certainly be in that conversation about what is, you know, we've identified 223rd as a safety priority area. Um and some of those countermeasures uh but I think, you know, there's a lot happening in that area. So, I think all of that would definitely kind of come into that conversation. Well, I mean, your first one on there is 223rd to from 60 from 169 to Woodland. So, with that being said, that realignment of Webster Street, I think we need to definitely when we're talking CIP, I think we need to make sure that we're including all of that at the same time and not putting cart before horse or I mean, we need to make sure that we're getting all of that in there at the same time and balancing that out. Otherwise, it's or not. Um they are working on a plan right now. There's a plan being constructed with several different variables and several different um alignments and all. It's just not ready yet to be presented to you guys as well as the governing body or put on the CIP. It is in conjunction with um a grant though for sidewalks. So that's why it's all being studied. This is just showing the areas that need to be focused on and then u

staff and engineering basically will go in engineering public works and present different alternatives to alleviate those problem areas. I so and I understand I mean I understand that and I so we are working on it's a one foot in front of the other but if you're asking for what planning commission sees and what we need to put one priority in front of the other to present to city council I just want to make sure that we're thinking outside of the box instead of just looking at priority 1 2 and three and saying sure that looks great but yet we're not considering the realignment of Webster when it's 223rd Right. Unfortunately, it just isn't quite ready. And then, like I said, they're also working on the sidewalk area to improve safety in that. Also, pedestrian safety is just as much looked at in our side on this. Um although it, you know, it may not have focused on that in the study, but it is something we're looking at. So, yeah, it is being reviewed. Yeah. So, um, if that's something you guys want, today is the day to provide that kind of feedback. We do have 223rd Street on, um, on our recommendations. We could look at realignment of Webster and adding that as a priority because that does go back to the safety, pulling that intersection away from the influence and the ramps at 169. That will help improve safety along 223rd Street. So, I think that's a a good um idea for us to include that um within the study as maybe one of the recommendations. But, as Pat mentioned, uh we've been working with H&TB on um the 223rd Street corridor. We're going to be presenting that hopefully to you guys um maybe as soon as the next meeting or here soon to show you kind of what we're thinking as far as um that corridor. And then we also received a

carbon emissions grant from K DOAT to put in a loop trail in that triangular section along um Webster 223rd Street and up Victory so that we can uh go ahead and put that trail in so that we do have a walking path and hopefully we'll get that constructed here in the next couple of years. That's my only takeaway is if if we're not ready to do those to match them up, then maybe one should drop down to two and two should become one. That's all I'm I I don't know which way we need to go with that. You guys know more of what's happening in the offices than what we do, but that's what I would see as needing to play out and play together than Well, and we could just update the 223rd Street to include the the alignment with Webster. so it doesn't change too much of your plan and that could be one of those u projects that um kind of goes hand in hand. So, one thing I noticed um that kind of stuck out almost as a red flag to me was under the previously programmed city projects um section, the fifth bullet point. Um it's the 199th Street from US 169 to Webster Street. Um basically saying that increased traffic, there's congestion and queuing with backups from basically that stoplight is what I was understanding. Um, which then kind of brings me to the point of are we going to run into issues with making changes and seemingly improvements, but then we go into, oh shoot, now we have this issue, now we have this issue. Um, and correct me if I'm wrong, but as I read that, to me that seems very much because of the new business there and the stoplight on 199 causing those backups onto 169. Um, which to me is kind of frustrating that it's like,

well, that's wasted tax dollars or whatever the case may be. Um, headaches with traffic and everything during that construction. Is that going to be an issue with other things? Sure, I'll address that if that's okay. So we have one um already approved there um ps and as we're working on others in that area we are proposing um well along with any other development in there to widen that out. Mhm. So basically we're and that street going into Quick Trip is private private drive, but basically from there we would widen that street out all the way around the bend to try and control or help alleviate any type of backup. Mhm. And in this next phase of putting signalization at 191st, the city is then going to have to take ownership of the light at 199th. And in doing that, then there can be more um can be more attention paid to timing of the signalization. So because right now we own one and work on it and we try but that a lot of it you really is timing issues. Uh I've been there but then the other thing is we will be wid widening that out around that loop. Do you know when that's going to be? Uh it you know it PRES was approved 5 years ago or something of that nature. uh you know we we are back in discussions on that and then we also have another one that we're working on right now in that area that most likely that one will be coming to you guys um actually you've seen at one

time a preliminary of it uh it'll be coming to you here soon and we'll get through the process on that and work on all those improvements at the same time and through KAT they have a transportation engineering assistance program or called it's called TE deep that they pay 100% for cities to look at small traffic engineering issues. And we are submitting a an application to study this area in front of Quick Trip because you see it every day. It's not just during rush hour, not during the school peak time or whatever. You've got a lot of backups in certain areas. So, changing the signal timing, changing um the the geometrics of of the area, widening the lanes, that kind of thing, or even just changing the pavement markings. So, small uh changes like that could make a huge improvement for traffic flows. So, I think with that in the study, that's what we were contemplating was at least let's try to look at some of these incremental changes um that we can make with signal timing, pavement marking, and widening the lanes to help enhance the traffic flows in that area. specifically uh you you mentioned and in and this commission has a a lot of interest on sidewalks and I didn't know whether you through whether the plan will get specific enough to say and here's some suggestions of where sidewalks are needed because they lead to a park or they lead to a school or or whatever, you know, and I didn't know whether you went that much detail later. Yeah, that's that's definitely something that we heard from the public as well. Sidewalks really important. Um, something we were happy to see was that

the city has the sidewalk strategy document that outlined a lot of those locations, those priority locations, um, more based on recreation and access to uh, different areas. So, one of our short-term action items here is to prioritize the sidewalk and crosswalk expansion, but really look back to that previous plan for the recommendations in there, but also maybe think about rep prioritizing some of those things in terms of safety. Um, most of the things they had prioritized in there aligned with uh the Hindry network and where people were concerned with safety, but there might be a few throughout there that might want to be moved up in the prioritization through that sidewalk plan. Good. Thank you. So, we do have some um specific areas that we do know about and the city is working hard on trying to have u the maintenance program take care of installing some of these sidewalks and Jacob Spear, our public works director, is working on that. But um I thought maybe we could take some time to highlight the the map in front of you is uh seven different areas that the city or six different areas six different areas that the city is looking at to um make some enhancements. So through the implementation grant that application is due here in a few weeks. Uh we have these areas that we're going to highlight within that grant application. One of which is um does include some sidewalks. So, Taylor, do you want to kind of go through um some of those areas and give them an idea of what we were thinking for the grant application? Sure. Yeah. Specifically, we were um looking at sidewalk improvements along South Street here from 169 to um to to kind of the the existing crosswalks and sidewalks over that kind of connect to the school. So it offer um connectivity from all these different um houses here

to the to the schools over to the to the east. So that's going to be one project. There'll be also be some intersection improvements along 169 at 215th um and then uh 107 and and Lone Elm. And so those will be the improvements along 169. And then um there'll be several other intersection improvements. um be roundabouts at um these other intersections along Ridge View. Um and there's already a roundabout here at 199. So it' be kind of a continue continuation of uh those that intersection there. It kind of looks similar. And then down at um we talked a lot about 223rd and Victory. Uh that's also on the list as well um for intersection improvements there too. So is the only one that you guys have plans for the sidewalk on South Street 215th Street. Correct. For this for this application on the north or south side of the road, it would be on the north side. Yeah, we looked at the north side and I think that that has less of an impact on the property owners that live along there. uh it works nicely uh with what's going on in the area and ties in with some of the existing infrastructure. There's other intersections um you know I know that there's the roundabout where you just pointed out at 199th so north of that 191st. What is it that you guys are proposing doing there? That would be a roundabout. A roundabout. So we would have three roundabouts in a row. one at 191st, one at 199th that exists, and then we would put one at 207th. Is it not just on this map, but I also heard that there was possibly going to be one at Rener and 199th Street. There's no roundabout planned there. We No. So 199th and Rener, that's just going to be an improved intersection.

We're improving 199th Street from the roundabout at Bridge View. And then uh it's just going to be a regular intersection that will eventually What does an improved intersection mean? Does it mean like turn lane? It's going to be commercial. So we're going to do a complete street. It's going to include curb and gutter, storm drains, trail, sidewalk. Uh eventually it's going to be a four-lane roadway. We only we only need a two-lane roadway right now, but as we start to grow and develop as a community, a four-lane roadway would be needed. Two lanes in either direction. It would look very similar to some of the roadways that you see in Overland Park and tha with a grassy median. Um, and it again it would have curb and gutter. We would be with 199th Street improvements, we would be putting in a 10-ft trail on the north side of 199th Street uh like along the the school and Prairie Ridge. And and that when you say we that means 80% from the city and then the rest hopefully coming from these grants or or is the developer that has that property right there? Would they be responsible for any of that? We are currently working on the design uh through um the city has program money uh in the CIP for 199th Street. Uh we also received CARS funding through Johnson County to help with that. I believe that's a 50/50 match uh through grants. Uh and then we do have um I believe it was 2017 or 2019. Uh the school district built the administration building. they were responsible for putting in sidewalk along their frontage. We're asking them uh we had asked them at the time to wait and let us do 199th Street and then they would reimburse us for the cost of that trail. So, it's a partnership. Um but it would be between the city, the county, and then like I said with the school district through previous planning commission action. Okay. Thank you. And

yes, I'm digging in all the couch cushions. But the the county owns the land on northeast side of that intersection, right? That is correct. So, would that become city? No. Uh not unless the property owner annex is in. Uh Johnson County Public Works is working on um I believe it's going to be in 2029 or 2030. They're going to be making improvements to 199th Street from Mener to Lackman. So, they're currently under design with that project and we're working with their uh the uh public works staff to marry the two projects together so that we have a better transition. So, we're going to put in a little bit more asphalt uh with our project and Johnson County is going to help reimburse us for that cost um so that it works well with what their future roadway design will be. And their roadway is only going to have shoulders. it's going to be a shoulder improvement like you see in other on other county roadways. So, similar question to that at the um 207th in Bridge View, we said there's going to be a roundabout, right? Hopefully. So, county has one side of Bridge View and the city has the other side. So, is that similar as far as the weight who is responsible for? uh the city would be if the city is the one doing the project we would be responsible for it but we would apply for cars funding and through cars funding typically it's a 50/50 match. Uh they the cars funding if approved they would pay 50% of the construction costs. Uh we also have um developments that are going in down there. We've got some development agreements. Does the county not participate at all with helping with that? Um sometimes they'll help out. Well, besides the the cars funding, which helps out tremendously, um they sometimes will help with acquisition and um getting easements and right away whenever it's their pro their

um their residence. But we also did receive um grant funding through Mid America Regional Council to uh improve 207th Street from Woodland to Ridge View. And that project will should be happening sometime in 2027 2028. What does that look like? That's going to be a complete street with the curb, gutter, storm drains, uh, trail, sidewalk, all the things that you're going to see on 199th Street. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Was there any discussion about uh either either the county or working with the county extending and paving loan elm from 191 to 299 I mean to 199. We talked about that. We had some of the small group meetings as Jay mentioned and we had that with Johnson County Public Works and that was one of the projects that we talked about because we've got uh the signal project that's going to be happening at 191st Street and we're we assume that there's going to be some people that are going to be using that roadway as their detour while that construction's underway. So, we kind of gave them a heads up that if nothing else, let's maybe try to chip seal or do some sort of surface treatment to make that roadway a little bit better. Yeah. Well, in the the the long run would be that it gives you more access, especially since you know that Dayton Creek's continuing to grow. Yeah. No, we we brought it up and you know, with anything, it takes time to plan, design, and to construct some of the stuff. So, I'm not sure that anything's going to happen, but I think I nagged them enough that they got the idea that we Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Um, I had another

question going back to trails around uh from 223rd and to Webster to Victory. Um, is that going to be sidewalks or is that like a walking trail? So that's going to be a 10ft trail or concrete. Concrete. So yeah, a 10 foot concrete trail. Okay. Um, is there any plans to add on maintenance of existing walking trails? Cuz I live in Blackhawk and the walking trail in Blackhawk is not ADA accessible. It is tree roots all through it. It's not safe to jog down. Um, and so I know for me I have a hard time like accepting new trails, the idea of new trails in town when the current ones aren't maintained. Um, so I didn't know if that's a part of it, like maintaining or um rehabilitating current trails in addition to new ones. Uh, so I'm not sure if those are public or private trails. I'd have to It's city trails. Yeah. Okay. Um, so that is a different budget. So, a lot of the projects that we're talking about tonight are going to come from the capital improvements program. Uh, we have a separate pot of money through our city budget that uh takes care of maintenance of our existing infrastructure. If you've got concerns, um, feel free to email, you can email me if you don't have my email address, send it to Amy and she can, um, get you that information. Uh, she can forward your email on to me. we can get that information over to our public works department um through hope hopefully we'll have a better system uh to get those complaints. But that's what I would recommend. Anytime that you see any issues out on the trails, out on the sidewalks, out on the streets, let us know so that we can get that programmed in. We don't have eyes everywhere in the city. We like to think that we do, but we don't. And that was going to be my follow-up question is will these I know

we're going to have you said potentially a task force or a committee of people to make sure that these things are being taken care of properly. That was going to be my follow-up question was how do we ensure that the new things going in will be maintained as well. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Uh and hopefully in the future we'll have a better uh cclick fix or some sort of uh uh citizen response system so that people can lodge their complaints. They can click pen a spot on the map and tell us exactly where there's an issue. If there's a pothole somewhere or if there's a grade separation in the sidewalk, let us know so that we can start programming that into our maintenance program. Whatever that looks like. If that's, you know, having our public works crew go out and patch a pothole, that's something easy for us to do. Or if we need to program it into our annual uh sidewalk maintenance program. Awesome. Did you say you guys had 130 residents that completed the online survey for this participated? That's correct. Yeah. Do you know how many people engaged at your guys' open houses and daffodil days and the other We don't have a specific number. We do have a number of people that uh signed up um for uh information and I want to say it was about 40 or 50 people signed up to receive information might have been 60. Um we have that in our public engagement um appendix some of those details. Um, we had a lot of good engagement, but you know, doing something like daffodil days or hometown halls is a little hard to note everyone you captured and just walked by and saw the plan and um saw you know a little bit about it. We talked to, I would say, at any of those popup events, probably 20 to 30 people per event. Um, that we got to chat with for a minute or two. Um, and give out, we had some different activities and prizes and giving some

things out to the kids, some some Hot Wheels. And um, Miss Able had the great idea to give out Hot Wheels in a bag and in the bag had a card for the adults to go to the website uh to engage with the plan. So maybe we capture a little bit of the adults attention out of the kids. uh attention. So, um pop of events. What do you think was the most standout thing that you guys heard? I mean, I get if they only had 30 people that it might be four people said the same thing. What was the most standout thing that you guys had across the board? Sidewalks. And right now, you guys have one sidewalk plan. So, street on the north side on the Yeah. as part of that grant application. And the grant application for safety is a little bit tricky because we have to in order to be eligible for the grant, you have to identify places that have a history of crashes. Um because they look at the number of crashes that have happened at a location and compare it to the cost they can get a benefit cost because they want to fund things that have a positive benefit cost or or that bring more benefit back than the cost. Um, so with the sidewalks again, it's a little challenging because we don't have as many pedestrian and bicycle crashes today. So for a funding program like Safe Streets for All, it's difficult to put together an application that would be eligible for funding if we haven't had pedestrians or cyclists killed. And it's a really unfortunate reality of how these grant programs work and that we have to kind of almost wait for someone to die to do something. But again, that's why we wanted to be more proactive in this plan, do some of the risk assessment, uh, and of course listen to the public and what they're interested in. Um, and that's really why one of those short-term those top short-term action items was to prioritize sidewalk and crosswalk construction in accordance with the the sidewalk strategy plan. Yeah, I think South Street definitely needs it. I would ask um what other areas were identified when you guys were doing your research that seemed like they were on

the border or that were highlighted or elevated that be next in line at South Street in terms of sidewalks. Um so Woodland east of downtown just east of the tracks between um I guess it' be 27th and 215th. Um that's one location we'd had pedestrian fatality a child crossing the road to get mail. just what I was looking at. Yeah. So, that was that was just east there. Um, that's a road where you do have pedestrian activity. You've got some some businesses over there that that people would want to go to. You've got residences. Um, and it's near downtown. It's the access to downtown from the east side and you know, it's two lanes now with a ditch. There's really nowhere to walk safely on there. Um, so that's a location that I think would be important to prioritize for safety. that is uh also pre a previously programmed project. I believe that's with cars funding in that location. Um so I'm not sure that if the the details of that project have been worked out or not or if it's just funded. So uh it sounds like it's it's funded. Um so I think adding it is funded. It yeah it's funded on the Johnson County Cars program. I think it's for 2027 or 202. Yeah, it's in the long range the 5-year uh CIP for our cars funding. Okay. So, yeah, it's something that we'll we'll eventually get to. Um, one thing I wanted to mention, whenever we were doing the open house, we did have a lot of comments uh regarding u the intersections at 220 27th and 215th along K7 or along 169. So, we did have a lot of um people that were interested. You gave them what, five or six dots and they used all of their dots on that area. So, I I thought that that was kind of telling that, you know, they lived around that area or interacted in that area and they saw Yeah. This So, this is the dot map

from the open house, uh, where everybody put the majority of their data. It's they're bad. So, forgive me if this has been covered previously. Um, what are the chances of just closing off the entrances to the highway? there. Is that a possibility in just having exit only lanes potentially and having to go to 223rd 199th since or even now I was thinking even 191st you don't need to get on the highway there we have a byway so like is it an option to instead of adding stop lightss and making it take potentially 30 minutes to get to tha from Spring Hill could we just close that highway entrances they won't add stop lights at 215 there's not enough traffic I'm I'm saying all they could shut it down. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, close it down even at 191st. Close it down. Talk about just doing like right in and I'm glad you're bringing that up because my stepson had a serious accident 215 and 169 total the car. A water bottle was stuck in the dash. So, it's the reason is you can't see because the curb way the terrain is. And so, yeah, I agree with what she's saying. They should probably shut that down. I know it won't justify a stoplight, but they should do something there. Yeah. And I think unfortunately we have approved a ton of housing right there at 215th and only accessibility is to get onto the highway right there unless they're going all through town the school traffic, which one of my not my biggest fear, but one of the things that I've always been afraid of, I grew up in Spring Hill, lived here my whole life. I've seen the progression. I'm afraid that 169 highway is going to become K7 where you have a stoplight every mile and it's just a nightmare to get through. Like if you're going up to Levvenworth, it's a nightmare to get up K7. And I don't want that to be the case on 169. I would like it to be a highway still, you know, and it make it quick to

get to Altha because we are far enough out that it's inconvenient. Um, and so I personally I would like to see no no more stop lightss on 169. Close it all off. Go to 175th, 199th, 2009. Have the frontage roads. Yes. Frontage roads. Well, you also had mentioned being able to turn, you know, if you're just doing a right hand turn, but maybe having a larger merge lane. That way they can get up to speed so they're not coming over because that's a huge issue obviously during traffic is they're all coming over into the right lane and then everyone gets over into the fast lane and then it just stops everybody on both sides. So something I will mention too is that um I think all the things you're talking about definitely make sense and things that that are being considered as part of this grant application. um you know especially considering the grant application is not an enormous amount of money. You know it's not enough money to build an interchange or an overpass or something like that. So we're looking at some of those lower cost counter measures like the access management like maybe looking at some of the the the highest risk movements which are really turning left onto the highway or going across the highway or when a lot of those crashes are happening. Um so thinking about those kinds of improvements at those specific locations. Um but also KOT is moving forward with a planning study for all of K7 from um 215th Street to I35. And so exactly your question about the future of it and what it looks like that's going to be starting here in just another month or two um to look at are there um improvement options in the near term that would be beneficial whether it's signalization or closing access or building some of these frontage roads backage roads and also what's the long-term vision is this going to turn into a freeway with interchanges is it going to look more like metaf at some point with development along it um so that is something that Kot's moving moving forward with as well. So,

something we noted in this plan and we identified 169 as one of those priority corridors, but really just to say uh the city's role in that really is to advocate for the the improvements the city wants. Um you know, KOT is going to move forward um with all the different stakeholders, the county with THA and with others and the public. Um but it's also always important, you know, to KOT to hear from the locals what the community is interested and what the commissions and boards and uh council members are interested in. So, so that's in the plan as well is to really advocate for safety, livability, growth, economic development on 169. Okay, cool. Thank you. I don't know if you guys did or if Pat and Amy or anyone has paid attention how much traffic has increased through Whiz on is that Webster? I mean, has It's really nice. It's Oh, it's safe to take and Yeah, we use it a lot. I use it. Yeah, we use it a lot. Yeah, it's increased and that's it was designed for that. Yeah. So, I mean, if we would continue to progress down that type of scenario, it having teen drivers, I love the byway. I love it. So, we continue to look at that with each with each development that comes in. And we actually have a small plan designed to cross the creek there to extend Webster from 191st to 183rd. That'd be awesome. And you know it it just you know guys it's so much money you know so get the plan ready and see what we can do from there. Well but if we plan for it we've that's better than what we've Yes. So I said get the plan that's what I mean that's what I said but if we'd continue to do that planning process instead of being reactive. Yeah. Did you let me ask you this. Did you get any like back to sidewalk? Did you get any feedback from the public about the victory woods that leads over to the aquatic coming out of that area, that

intersection? It's kind of danger and we've talked about this a lot back. So, right. So they didn't get remember guys this is the most dangerous areas and like he said you know that it wasn't a complete study of a um you know a a pathway or alternative transportation type study for the entire community they had to focus on and then in focusing on that they're able to utilize that information through a specific grants along the and they're really designed for, unfortunately, like he said, areas that people are getting killed. And so the rest of it is really up to the city getting those areas taken care of or prioritized or whatever we want to say under their program. So it on that point, I want to say it's really well done. I mean the map on 61 and 17 is extremely useful especially on 61 where you have the city you know county and state prioritized how you labeled it CS11 or one-1 CS1-2 I mean it's very easy to follow you know the priority one first project priority one second project and so on and I mean I to me it's it's this is one of the better things I've ever seen that's coming in front of our board for the safety by far. Cindy, wouldn't you agree? I Yeah, I'm just sitting here thinking about another plan and thinking this is so well put together. So, I just want to compliment them because it's so well put together that this highlights every every critical like Pat said, every critical major uh severe or death area that we would expect, you know,

223rd up to 169, Ridge View up, you know, between 207th and 191st, 191st Street, all those. And then you look at the previously programmed city projects, uh, you know, way out here, you know, it kind of shows how much the city's changed and how good this study is to help safety. I just wanted to point that out. Yeah, just a comment. Thank you. Yeah, we appreciate that. I will I will relay that to the rest of the team because obviously there's a whole lot of people at HDR. Um, and also of course the advisory committee and city staff that work very hard on this. So, um, I appreciate it. I will take all the credit though. Huh? Anything else? If not, thank you. That was very enlightening report. Thank you all. Great job. Thank you. Okay, we'll go to our next item. We entertain a motion. Mhm. So, I'll need a motion from you tonight to recommend approval. Okay. Uh of or adoption of the plan, and then we will take this to uh city council next week for uh formal adoption. And our plan is to submit this. We have a deadline uh later this month to submit it. And with that, we will be submitting our implementation grant application for those seven project areas that you saw up on the screen. Okay. So, it starts here with you guys recommending the adoption of this plan. I'd like to make a motion to recommend the adoption of SS4A comprehensive safety action plan as presented. Uh do add that. Do we need to add the alignment of Webster Street or you guys will just naturally put that in there? We can we can update the plan to include that as um an additional study area. Thank you. Good point. Is there a

second? I second. Okay. Uh all those in favor start on the left. I I I 70. Thank you. Next item, item three, preliminary plan application, Ellenale Meadows. Good evening. This is a a replat of the Aenddale Meadows and pulmonary plat. They when they go in and uh you know we've talked about it before on the detention areas and things like that and flat out in areas that they think will accommodate it. And in this case, uh, the areas were a lot larger and with with the changes in some of the infrastructure, they were able to gain four lots out of this. So it uh the only one of the reasons that we brought it back usually, you know, if there's four lots and it just continues out, they actually did make a a couple of small changes in the layout of the streets uh to make it flow a little better and all and not as uh you know, originally they had a culde-sac that came right off of the beginning and things like that. So, uh, it just by readjusting and all they were able to gain four lots question. I really didn't see any significant difference. Seems to make

the layout a little more simpler. Yes, thank you. And like I said, the one is if you the two entrances now connect and that was a culde-sac. So some of the flow patterns did get a little better. Uh it's amazing. You know, you can move a detention basin on 10t and it makes all the difference in the world for the entire area. And like I said, it was only a gain of four, but it still seems to make everything flow better to there. Okay. Any questions? concerns. If not, I'll entertain a motion. Move that we recommend PP-25-3 as presented by staff. Second. First and seconded. Uh, all those in favor on the right. I I I I I I 70 preliminary plat application Garrett Ranch. Okay. So, this is a proposed replplat of Garrett Ranch which is uh just west of the high school. So in the planning process of this a little background is that it was asked to meet the design and the standards and all of Estates of Wolf Creek because it does flow into Estates Wolf Creek. And when the Olsen group when they submitted the first preliminary plat in the

setbacks did not match um Estates Wolf Creek. Mhm. Uh you know it's sometimes that's changes that they do make. And so anyway, when then they did the first plat and then they came in the second plat and said, "Wait a minute, you know, and some of the builders were starting to say, wait, these sil setbacks are huge and it makes it look out of place and we were supposed to match Estates Wolf Creek." So that's what it is. They they've come in, they've replatted. It's it's the same plat. There was a little bit of an addition of a couple of lots there. uh same type of story, detention areas, but uh it just changes the setbacks on it. The layout's the same. And you can see from uh what was there, the proposed and the uh current, you can see that there's not any changes per se on it. setbacks are the main important portion of this is uh the L100 the overall landscape plan is that the updated version cuz it's still shown a 35 ft building set. No, we haven't gotten to that point. Yeah, they'll they'll change that in. Um we really we rushed this on. Sure. Because you know there they do have some builders that are sitting there waiting to build. Oh yeah. They've got equipment sitting there. Yeah. Yeah. So, I just wanted, you know, we tried to accommodate him and, you know, it was really an engineering mistake on that. So, okay. Any other questions? I think it's probably fairly

Yeah. And I should have been a little more proactive on it. You know, we I saw it and thought, well, they changed. But then when you start looking at it and you start putting the size of houses that they are on there, it really did look crazy. It, you know, I mean, the houses are very nice. It's going to be built there, don't get me wrong, but it did make it so that it wasn't in continuity with the next subdivision. Okay. Is there a motion? I move to approve the preliminary plan application PP-25-4 is presented by staff. Second. first and second it. All those in favor starting at the left I I I that's fine. Other left. All those opposed. All any abstensions? Okay. If not, it's 7 0 for approval. final that's yes that's it final platin final plat yes so in this you know I don't know if you remember but they had phase one and then phase two and we looked at it and said let's combine let's get this all cleaned up in one swipe so these are the two combined with the setbacks changed is what it is and we check that the numbering is all the same, addressing, all that, everything's the same. So, I move the recommend approval of FP-5-5 as presented. Second.

Okay, we'll start on the left. I I I I I I Any opposed? None. Approved. 7- 0 final plat Cummins property. Yes. Thank you. Uh this is the final plat. you know, as um you that have been on the planning commission for a while, uh the Cumins, they go in and preliminary plat and then as they go and develop each lot, they final plat uh due to the type of structure that might be put on there or some drainage or things of that nature. So, this is just another lot that is being platted off. Um actually two lots in this this case, 8 acres. Um, so they'll have two additional lots that they will start constructing on when site plan, which is up next, is approved. Continuation of what they're doing there. And what is that? One of them is is the building and the other one is pretty much a parking lot. That's correct. That's on the site plan though for the next day. Any comments? Hearing no comments. Stand for a motion. I move to recommend approval application FP25-4 final plat of Common Property ETH plat governing body including any conditions as presented in the stock report. Second. Okay. first to second it. All those in

favor, let's start at the left. I I I I I. All those opposed? None. 700 and uh I plan application SP 255. Thank you again. This is a an application store what and it's the Cumins property and it's continuation of what they are constructing out there. This is a 24,000 ft building um that they're going to construct with um it's a flex type use office warehouse type or uh just straight warehouse. It's uh uh build build it and then uh rent it out or lease it. So they have several of these buildings just about the same everywhere. Um they did have to add some detention on this. If you remember, that area has a area detention, but it um it's getting to a point where some of these will have to they don't flow to it basically. So, um I don't really care for these little mosquito basins, but you have to do it, you know, on some of this. So, it's all the same type of structure they've been doing, plans. um you know they just keep finding that they're having good great success on leasing these what nowadays is considered a smaller structure is still 25,000 square or 24,000 ft. Did you see that?

So anything any questions? There's there's no elevations in here. No, it's it's the same. What they were trying to do is um they had a few problems with some the way I understand with steel going up and things like that and they're doing some alternative. It'll be the same type of structures that they're building out there right now. So, have have you already approved like the uh the exterior finishing of the building? Just No, that's what I was saying. We didn't receive it yet to the a redesign on the steel or something of that nature. So, as soon as we get it, you know, if it well, if it's okay with you guys, I mean, it and I don't foresee anything changing and because they're having good success with the type of buildings that they're doing. Um, I mean, we can bring it to you though as an after after the site plan. Be more than happy to. Well, my assumption is that they'll carry the the same sort of look that they have right now, right? And and but when we do receive them, um I will go ahead and just bring them in on you because I have not received any building plans yet. So, any motion? I move to recommend approval of application SP-25-5 um site plan 24K building to Spring Hill governing body including any conditions presented in the staff report. Second it. Okay. Second it. Let's start on the right. Oh I I I I I I. All those opposed? Nay. Okay. 700

approved. Now we move on to number eight, preliminary plan application, Bonita 175. Okay. I still say it's the Carvana site. Okay. But um so it uh it's 125 acres. We've some of us have been through it several times with different site plans and you know going through it uh with Carvana. So and it is part of the new sewer district that it's happening uh on the um east side of the railroad tracks and come up to serve these properties all these properties through here. So it's uh pretty easy. It's just two lots that it'll be divided in. One of them 60 and one of them 60.48 if I remember exactly. Uh so um just a north and a south lot at this point as you can see preliminarily platted. Any questions? Got one. Um, which is it looks like they're going to maintain the existing pond that's on the property. Is that correct on the east side towards the tracks? Uh, do they use that for the U site? We Well, we can re review that in the site plan. Okay. But um let me check real quick. It looks like Yeah, it looks like they are utilizing some of that for uh the

detention basin. Yes. on the site plan as adding to it as you as we'll discuss in the site plan. Move recommendation of PP-25-2 as presented. Second. Okay. If so, we'll go ahead and vote. We'll start on the right. M I I I I I I I I motion passes 70. Final plat application. Okay. Um this is the final plaid of the palm area that you just reviewed. Uh this would be lot one. Uh be and two. So there's one lot that they're final platting at this time. 60 acre track or 60.48 acre track plus or minus a little bit and it will be for the accommodation of the site plan that we will review if you choose to review it next. Is that lot two? I I believe it's lot one. Oh, south to north. I had to take a picture with my phone and blow it up. Says lot on here. Any questions? No, there are no questions. I understand a motion.

I move to recommend approval application FP-25-3 pack 175 to the Spring Hill governing body including any conditions presented in the staff report. Second. We'll start on the left. I I I I I I approved 700. Item 10 site plan application project becket. Yeah, it is called project becket. Um it's for lendage logistics and Phelps is the engineering. It's a site plan for uh the lots that we just final plumary and final plat. Before we go any further, I I don't want to confuse anybody on what I'm asking here. I don't know if read your packet or not but uh uh when we review this site plan clear through then I would like to have a small discussion on this site being able to be moved to the north. It is not a it is not being asked by the company. It's only being asked by staff that if something comes along where they could move this one lot to the north and free up additional ground to the south. Then obviously the site plan will be brought back for the north part. Um no major changes. You can see a proposal that we did include but that is it's just for staff. Um, and then we know how to guide them if there's another project that happens

to come along that what it would leave. It'd leave about 210 acres south if they went to the north. Um, so we we kind of want to look at that and talk the one that's on 175th Street basically. Okay. It's it's the last page of your packet. Mhm. Um so but right now all the questions and everything we um need to address the site plan as it is now. But it's something that you know if you guys say well yeah we wouldn't have any trouble with the same type of design layout and all moving to the north and it saves a lot of logistic time for the staff and it gives more reassurance. That's what we're basically concerned about if it happens. So, all right. So, we have a site plan uh on the south lot or lot one and it's approximately 100 or it's um 60.28 acres or 6.48 acres. There is going to be a construction of a new 432,000 uh 433,000 round figures uh building there. Uh traffic loads have all been identified. The one item on this that uh staff is pretty stern on is that the road on the uh east side of this project um needs to be public road. They're calling out as private. Um, but it it needs to be a public road to continue on down in the future at some time when the others develop south of this, it would continue down to

183rd and then through all these studies and all this, you know, see how that uh effects were. Maybe it would then continue on down Webster clear to 191st and 199th, meaning that we would try and have a full road down through there like what we did with Webster. You know, there'd be some jog in it and things like that as it goes on south, but that that's one item that staff would really like to see uh that agreed upon. The um parking as you can see uh it's one per 500 and everything meets the standards um of accessibility and all. This is a freezer type structure. Um and I'll go through a little more of that when I get to the elevations. Okay. Uh it's already zoned for that. Um the proposed height on it is 145 foot. The code allows um up to a 75 80 foot in the code. and then but the planning commission has the right uh to go ahead and have that to 145 ft. We've done it several times and this structure would be incomparable to everything that's being built on the north side of uh 175th, not in our jurisdiction, as well as the buildings that you see off

of I35. So, it would be fairly comparable to the Walmart. Yes, it's it's a little taller than Walmarts, but it's the Walmart is less it's under 55 ft and this is 145 the height of the wall. So, triple the wall. What the what the structure is is very similar to the structure that you see off of I35 that has the different colored panels in it. Yeah. And that's that's what this would look like. So, where where is that one? It's a weight station I35 in the weight station. Hey Pat, where are you referencing that the zoning can go up to 70 to 80 feet? I know I did see 70 foot height. Yeah, it's in the height regulations. Yeah. Yes. And that's what that's why I wrote in this this is a deviation from that and the planning commission will have to make that the standard M1 is a 55 foot 55 ft height limitation. 70 under your M1. If you go to height restrictions and regulations, then we can go to 70, but then the planning commission has to make that determination on anything past that. And really the 70 foot as well. Height, it's in height and area, if I remember correctly in your code. Yeah. So in the code it has the maximum height it's 55 for an M1 and then under section 17.348 height area and yard exceptions under A there's height exceptions and it does say that um public or semi-public buildings such as churches, schools or hospitals may be directed to a height not exceeding 70 ft provided that such buildings shall have yards which shall be increased 1 ft on all sides for each additional foot that such buildings exceed specified height limit. as established by the regulations of the

district in which such buildings are situated. So that's what's in our it's in height and yeah it's in the height regulations on it. So then like that exceptions for would you say public schools it says for it's all built public buildings such as churches hospital it's for all build guys it's not limited to that but the planning commission has the ability to allow these heights um it's a mon monarch it's 130 127 something like that um but a lot of the buildings that are in the other jurisdiction Like I said, the one that is right by the uh weight station off I35 and all those buildings, this building would be comparable in height than a lot of those. So um the way station gardener Yeah. Yeah. It's actually Yeah, it's Lea jurisdiction. Yeah. Um it's compatible with the surrounding area. That do you know? Uh I'm not exactly sure 100 100 even is what that one is. So thank you. Thank you. Um it's compatible with the surrounding areas as well as uh the uh zoning. Uh the proposal it the future land use calls all that out as uh being industrial type uses and this property actually came into the city as an industrial zone property when it annexed into the city. Um there's one thing that I want to talk about. We talked about the entrances and

uh to and all the stops and signalization and intersections of 169. So they are doing this rail study right now and it could very well that uh in looking at preliminary stuff and what we are we'll show you some stuff uh on the next one that road could be elevated way up to go over the tracks meaning it would could very well start just this side or east of Lone Elm and elevate up and go over to um well it' just be woodland area just in that area. So, in thinking about that and we're looking at this that the elevation of this would be well my my preference would be not to look at the top of a building when you're going over it or over the pass and you would still see a fascia of the building uh if if and when they elevate that. How tall are the railroad um over us? Take a look at uh third. How tall is that? Yeah. And I think that's about 25 ft. Okay. But you have a lot more to face here as far as getting height and all over the highway and distance. To give you an idea, they're saying that the entrance for the one that we will talk about next um needs to be a,000 ft from the railroad. So all that is going to be really elevated a lot maybe like the 435 and 935 loop area that's elevated. We don't know yet until this study gets back. So

that was one of the reasons that staff feels that this structure being that and it is an industrial area. It's right next to the tracks and it's pretty well boxed in uh where it would not affect any uh residential areas. So, um the easements are there. There are a couple utility easements that may have to be adjusted due to the sewer that's coming into this project. Uh can we go to elevations, Amy? There we go. So this is what the structure looks like or is proposed to look at look like. You have office um you have mechanical and then you also have the freezer and shipping areas. As you can see this is a rendering of what they're proposing for this. At this time though, they are not proposing that railroad um leg to be put in there or spur if you will. So at this time they're not proposing it. U you know if they do in the future need it then they would obviously work with the railroad and come back to us with a some sort of side drawing on this. Uh go ahead. This is the uh office area that you can see what what it would look like there. And this is the side that would be closest to 169. That is correct. Here are some elevational heights on it. Um, no I do I do not want to steer you wrong on this. The if you go back

one that elevation is actually if you look it is facing the railroad area. And then if you go back one more then that is the area similar to uh what would be facing 169 very similar to that except you can see the loading docks are actually over on the other side there. These are just a few loading docks there. So, if you go to the uh site plan, there we go. As you can see, the railroad tracks on your right hand side. Anyway, and then you can see the building and it spells out what that is. As you can see, the office area is on the east there. Pat, do you mind if we ask questions during No, that's what Yeah. No, we need to. What is the total number of uh tractor trailer spaces like? Yeah. Um I knew you were going to ask me that. No. Can you blow that up right there, Amy? Oh, you can't. Just a second. I'll blow it. I I tried to add it up and I think I came up with 500. You don't have to add it up. You It's right in the It's in your Well, I can't read it. It's notable. 500. You're pretty close. Plus the 30 that include the tractor. Yes, those No, I think that's everything. What they're calling Oh, I've got it right here. Never mind. G. Yeah, finally found it. I blew it up on that. Um, tractor stalls are 66. Yeah. So, and then standard spaces is 205. You have a total of uh

866. It's in your report on page two. It's Don't get me wrong, it's a big project and, you know, it's hard to imagine that we're going to continue to get larger and larger projects. Um, I'm looking at the state bids and everything that come out for projects. You know, there's all kinds of them out there, Lightyear and Delaney and all kinds of them. And really most of these are 3 to 500 acre projects. There are no real small projects anymore. And I think the proof is right here on in our own community that how well the Cumins is doing up there. Mhm. 183rd and uh Webster. How many square footage is Cumins? The the one that we just approved is 24,000. 4,000. Yeah. How many square foot is this? Is it 43 63 or 433? 432 on the main floor and 71 on the Yeah, 433 total. So, um it's a big building. Yeah, it's big. How tall is Cummins? Oh, they're uh 30 foot 30t eaves cuz that's what um a lot of them they used to build them at 22 and 25 like one of the buildings you're probably familiar with. I think that's a 25. Uh, but now a lot of people want cranes for these. Um, if you had to

guess, what is the tallest building in our area? Oh, I have no in our area. This is about 13 stories tall. 14. That's more of a structure. What the the cement? Yeah, it's just a structure. I mean, any of the hotels and all. I mean, you're talking 13. He said 120 stories. About 13 stories. How many you go in silos? Where's the closest 13 story hotel you seen? Be honest with you. That's, you know, I just try and look at these and see if it'll fit. 127. This would be right there. 127 13 ft away. Is that right? Now, I know. And well, there is a project also that working on similar to what you said. Um, and it's 22 floors. Okay. What is that? I can't tell you, but it's similar to what you were talking about. Um, and it's 22 floors. What is that? I can't tell you. Tell you that either. I'm just trying to tell you that we are Here's my point. Building out. No, my point is building somewhere. Here's my point. it. Here's my point is we are working on other projects that are maybe not the square footage of this, but they'll be half and taller. Yeah, the 22 floors is and this one happens to be about 230 something. I don't remember. Um, and you know, I'm working hard to try and get it cuz it's a it's something the community needs. Um, I know there are so many things to consider with things like this, but the first thing I think of when I see this is, oh my gosh, more more structures like this will like relieve the tax burden off of citizens does help. Yes. And so that's the first thought I have when I think of

something like this. And then obviously there's so many other things to consider on top of that. But I know from a fairly new perspective here, I'm like, "Ooh, let me give you an idea." And you can look this up. It's a public record. You go down 175th and the structure that they built right there. Um, just the warehouse and then Coca-Cola is being built behind it. If you look that up, their tax bill is $900 and something,000 a year. Open Shell. You can look it up on as are there any abatements or revenue bonds being requested for this site? There will be some uh most of it will be IRBs that will relieve the tax burden on materials. Uh they are have already filed some abatements with the state for employees. I mean they're employing a lot of people excuse me employing a lot of people for our community as well. Yeah. So, what's that range be like a 200 300? 200. Okay. Yep. Yeah. But do any of those delay the the revenue to the city following the the completion of construction? That's not Hang on. That's not really part of the site process. Yeah. And and what I can tell you is that the you know there's a lot of fees also upfront for building permit fees and all. Um I wish I would have looked up how much Cardinals paid, but it's a bunch hundreds of thousands of dollars of fees, you know, that the city receives on these. And you know, there was another piece of property north of 175th that was just annexed by Lea not very long ago. And this whole area is going to be structures like this whether it's in our community or it's in another community.

Um it's already started. It's very well established. You everybody knows it. Um and everyone really needs these structures for future. Let's say there's some 10-year tax abatement. 10 years goes by in a flash. Ask Edertton. You know, they're starting to really really collect. Well, they have been for a few years now. So, um, but there's also taxes even abatement wise. I'm just going to go through this real quick. Abatement wise, there will still be some revenue. Okay. So, but part of the site plan is what we're trying to take a look at um on this. Any questions? I know it's a big project. It's Yeah. You're talking about Well, you have to ask Chair. I'm sorry, but that's okay. You're talking doing the overpass possibly around the railroad. What kind of impact would that have with if you were to put this on the north lot versus the lot to the south of it? it this it looks like it's going to be an elevated structure. So, you know, um what is that 87th Street where there's like the lumber yard underneath there and all that and you know it it would be similar to those types of things. There'll still be little access roads that go around and get them to a road that goes out. Okay. So, and that's all the design process of the overpass or so we call it. Um, this could be 10 years. I doubt I'll see it. Mhm. Yeah. They have any responsibility with helping with that or would that just be on the state of Spring Hill or the county or Okay. So, right now it's it's a big conglomerate and really the people with the most power is called the railroad.

So they would have to look at all the that and that's what the study is, right? Right. Yes. So funding I I don't know. I would imagine that usually when we see those that's a lot of state and railroad and federal money. How when will the study be done that? Uh it actually what they didn't say is it starts clear up here but it goes clear down through Pittsburgh can or fort Scott and so it's a huge study area and we won't have that information before we need to make a decision. Oh no. Oh heck no. We won't have that information on the next I think the main to me the main issue let me just speak out loud. The main issue here is that we want to look at something a little beyond the code from 70 to 140. Is that right? 145. 145 is Yes. And it might be the zoning. Okay. Does the zoning fit the area that Yeah, it's zoned for that. Does Does it fit the surrounding uh buildings that are going to be in place? I think it does. And the railroads right there, too. The only question is does the added feet is that going to really be a problem for anybody? Uh I don't think it's huge in terms of the sight lines. Is it going to be a problem for anybody? I mean think about it, right? What did you say, Josh? But you know, think about the impact that the Monarch silos had on the horizon and the light pollution at night. Well, that's what about and that's 127 ft. But I think that's different. It is different because it's a much smaller footprint. Well, but this is also in a different area. I say there's not any close to it's with inside of Monarch. I mean, it's it's just 100 acres north. It's it's right there cuz and and the reason staff wants it to be moved to the north is so that you have

contiguous development down. You think it be an eyesore? It'll be more than an isore. It will block sunlight to the homes on the southwest across 169. I mean 145 ft high when when our M1 zoning standard is 55 ft. Exception is 70 ft. Walmart building is 55 ft. Yeah, it's big. It I mean it's we're talking times 432,000 ft. Right. So not only is it tall, I mean the towers are an eyesore, but they're small, right? They're just they just go straight up. This is a monolith. It'll it'll look like heirs rock on the horizon of our community and it's it'll be I I think it's funny that it could be the billboard the welcome. Yeah. I mean it's like but it really would be. Does it have to be white? And that's why I'm bringing this up because that's a real issue we're trying to talk about here. But nobody's mentioned the lighting though. I mean if you're going to compare this with Monarch Well, you know the Monarch towers comply with city codes, right? No, but I'm just saying we've we've talked about the height, but when we're talking about Monarch, we all know that the lighting became a problem. We've not heard anything about this in lighting. Yeah, there's not going to be a lighting problem. There's not going to be any out exterior lighting that Well, I don't know. I wouldn't say there won't be an issue. I mean, they're going to have lights at the top of it and they're going to be 140 ft in the air and that's going to be the tallest light in that area. Oh, yeah. I mean, you you you'll be able to see this. You know, you can see the Garmin eight story tower for seven or eight miles area though. you. So, I was looking on Ames and you've got you've got homes to the southwest that are a quarter of a mile away. There's not a lot of them. They're west side of 169. You've got development on the west side or on 175th Street, which is about 3/4 of a mile away. 3/4 of a mile to Sycamore Springs, 3/4 of a mile to the tha neighborhood to the northeast, maybe one mile. Wow. So, all of those will be in line of sight. I mean, this will dominate their their backyard view when

they look out day or night. It'll it'll definitely dominate. I will say I think obviously I think that the area is zoned appropriately for what this is. I think industrial manufacturing is what this area is going to be. I just think this is a in a very large devian from what our code is. Um it's not it's not asking for a few feet or you know many feet. It's asking for three times. So my question then to that point would be what's the difference if we were to say no here and they just go opposite corner of the intersection and build there. It's going to be the same issue and now we're not going to get any of the money. You know what I mean? Exactly right on that. So you know it's going to go to Altha. So, one of the questions I have for Pat actually is, so when I was researching this, I saw that what appeared to be almost the same site plan was submitted. Is that New Century? Yeah. Out by New Century in 2017 and it triggered a lawsuit by Gardener City residents. It was on County Land on that time. And then one of their biggest concern was the hhydra ammonia it's called that's that's used in the refrigerant. So then I start googling that and that causes death if if you're exposed to it. And there was an incident just a year and a half ago where five people died because a one of those one of the trailers carrying it turned over killed five motorists um wiping out a father and two kids among them. But so that was one of the main arguments for the the neighbors cuz they're concerned because this is a cold storage facility. The whole thing is refrigerated and it uses this uh andhydrous ammonia as the refrigerant. So if that ever leaks, you know, that's a big issue. And and the incident in Illinois, they had to evacuate a one one mile around. It was over 500 residents they had to evacuate when there was this this spill.

And and so again, that's that's a safety concern. Yeah. You know, that the residents had. So I doubt it would be developed across the corner cuz I think these concerns will come up later just like they did in 2017. But I know that the same type of system is in like this is all contained. Yeah. But it's larger. It's on a scale that's significantly larger for the amount of refrigeration. I know that they whenever they project I was talking to Spencer. Oh, that's correct. They said due to a change in customer needs is why they pulled out of New Century. Um that that was what they had said. And I guess I'm kind of curious as to what the customer needs are in our area that would be different than where it was before if that was the reason that they pulled out. Well, I can address a little bit of that and then I'd be more than happy to have the uh applicants and I'll address it. But this this whole area, the reason that we're receiving these type of structures in other jurisdiction is it's easy access to a lot of areas. I know that, you know, you have to go several stop lights to get on I35, but you're there. You can go the other direction and get on I35. You can go south 68. You can go over to 69 or go 68 to I35 and then head south down to Texas, Oklahoma, whatever. That's the big one of the number one factors that we hear in this entire area is over here. Um, and you know, we're working with other other development in this area. Uh, I'm going to, the applicant did say that it would probably only get maximum 140 foot. Um, so, but there's going to be a lot of these in these

areas. I'm not going to say this, but a lot of different structures in these areas. I I agree with you that you know and there's that I think is it called park 169 on the east side of 69 that is doing which is industrial plus um residential as part of a mixeduse you know kind of approach. So there's there's no question that you know for us M1 will will be all up and down there between the railroad track and the highway. question is, you know, M1's very broad and the question is, you know, how much of an exception do we want to make for a structure that is three times our our zoning limitation for height? You know, where there's there's really I I would say that there's no precedent anywhere for a building that's 450,000 ft, 145 or 140 ft in the air. Like this is on a completely different scale. And if you know if this one I so so the company I researched them and they have over 450 sites around the world. They have one in Edwardsville. They have all different formats. And so you know I would personally be comfortable with one that is within the exception limit for our M1. Let's say 70 ft high. And I'm sure they have a lot of them that are that height. Um you know that's on them. But but but as far as the impact visually and aesthetically, it's apples and oranges like you know 55 ft 70 ft. You know this is this is another that's 30% larger than the Walmart building and three times the height. So I think we'll get lots of Walmart type buildings, Cumins types buildings, you know, maybe even commercial mixed commercial with industrial. You know, I don't think we necessarily have to say yes to something that's three times our zoning height limit. Think of the cement plant. That's 127. This is another 13 ft higher than that. So, it's higher than the cement plant forever, but a giant building. Yeah, we

got a lot of push. At least there's no lights. We know. We don't know yet. Yeah. And I I would do address. Well, he he just So, the applicant would like to address a few things. Chairman, we got three or four. I can't follow them all. Yeah. Go ahead, Pat. Mr. Chairman, go ahead. Hi, I'm Rob Sangelo, VP of real estate for Lineage. Thanks for hearing me. Um, I heard a lot of concerns. We talk about ammonia. Uh the size of the building does have a correlation to the amount of ammonia that's stored in it. The nice thing about tall buildings is they're much more efficient than low flat buildings. So if you think about our Edwardsville building, I think it's close to 700,000 ft. It has a bigger ammonia charge than this building will. So how tall is that one? I'm going to say total is probably 50 ft. Tall? Yeah, it's an old building. Okay. And when I say old, it was built before automation technology was available. So automation allows you to go taller and we could go to 200 feet if we wanted to, but there's a breakover point where automation costs too much money for the benefit it provides. So for us, 140 is the the sweet spot, so to speak. Um, does have ammonia charge buildings. We own one there. That's the building you referenced on uh 35. Um, what's the size of that one? Just for reference, it's 100 ft uh tall. I'm not sure about how many square feet you designed. 400 is 400. Yeah. So, and and then as far as I know it does maybe doesn't make a ton of difference, but if you look at the the plan, the big rectangle in back of the loading dock and the small one next to it, that's what's 140. The rest of it's under 50. So, not the whole thing. It's not all 400,000 ft. Can you point that out

again? Where the writing is? Oh, there. Yeah. See where the writing is in the middle? That's 140. And the one next to it is the one to the right is how much? 140. Both of those. So those those are what we call a storage box. So that's where the racking is. That's where the product sits. Both of those are 140. Yep. And the one in front of this Yeah. The office is about 30 to 35. the loading dock which is on the far left behind the office that's uh that's 50. So not the whole thing is is that tall. Um someone mentioned New Century. Yeah, that was us. Jim Jensen was the neighbor behind the property that uh um I guess raised a an issue with uh Johnson County. Um, I didn't know it got to a lawsuit, but I know that the the county commissioners wanted us to step in and, you know, hold him back. Um, we did end up abandoning that project because the customer changed their uh, not their requirement. They changed ownership. That was a a building owned by Unilver and they sold that to Upfield. And now Upfield is partnering with uh, is it KJ Logistics? Do you know? I think it's KJ Logistics um on building there. So, they're doing what we were going to do. I don't know how tall they're going, but uh that building will will be going up. And it's a cold storage facility. Yeah. And so, again, when when you have a customer that has a facility, it was a manufacturing facility. This would have been a plant attached storage facility. Avoids all the trucks on the road. You just use a conveyor belt to move product from production into storage. um when they decided to sell that business unilver they they obviously had no more need to discuss the project with us so it went

away and we actually did bid on the project with upfield we weren't successful and and just think about the projects that are being constructed in uh area and all some of that that goes on there is going to need these cold storage facilities that's why I I mean, this will be built in the area somewhere because they need this cold storage just read my mind type of uh facilities. So, but so sorry. Sorry, cat. Um Rob, I didn't catch your last name. Sang doll. Sangal. Sang doll. Sang doll. Sang doll. Sang doll. Like sang a song and then like a d o l. Sang doll. Yeah. Thank you. Sorry. No worries. No worries, Mr. Sang Doll. So, of the 450 sites that are run by Lineage, how many do you imagine would be kind of in this size range? A handful. Uh 8 to 10. Um I'd say in the US, we're we're we're building one of these in Texas now. We just finished one in Pennsylvania. Um Lineage has grown through acquisition. So, we've bought companies that have buildings of this size. So, we didn't build them. They were already built. um predominantly this technology first started in Europe because they have such land constraints, right? So they have to go up. Um and again there's energy efficiencies here. You can have this double the cube of a low roof building, but you don't have double the electric bill, right? It's just a much more efficient way to cool a building by having it be taller than low and flat. So there's lots of advantages. We also keep our employees out of the -20 environment, so they're working on a loading dock, which is only 40°. So, um, -20 Fahrenheit. Mhm. Wow. And again, that that's why you see the color you

see because it it has to reflect the sunlight. So, if it's 100 outside and - 20 inside, think about that differential and how much energy it takes to overcome that. So, have cell phone foam to insulate it or what do you do? Uh yeah, it it's a sandwich panel. So the the storage box is is called an IMP insulated benal panel. It's about 6 in thick. It's got about an R50 value and they're very lightweight and very efficient and they attach to the racking itself. So this building is a rack rack supported structure. There's no conventional steel inside these these high storage boxes. So it's very unique, very specialized construction. And then um one more thing you'll notice on these elevations, there's no external piping. So all the ammonia is on 100% contained inside the building. And ammonia is lighter than air and it's stored in the mechanical room. And if there is a leak, there's sensors and there's uplast fans that shoot it up into the air where it dissipates. It becomes harmless. And the best way to abate it if there's a spill, spray it with water. It neutralizes it immediately. So the accident you referenced was an agricultural accident. We don't deal with ammonia like that. They use it as a fertilizer and tow it around behind tractors. We don't do that. Well, this was a tractor trailer with a tank of it like 7500 gallons. Yeah. So, yeah, we don't use we don't consume ammonia, right? The same amount that we charge it with theoretically stays there for the life of the building. It just gets recycled. It gets squeezed. It evaporates, makes cold air, gets squeezed again. Have you ever had any accidents related to ammonia? We've had releases. Absolutely. They're all reportable. Um, we follow OSHA and EPA standards to to maintain the systems. Um, as far as I know, we've only had one death and that wasn't during the operation of the facility. It was during construction. Somebody made a mistake and it cost them their lives. Was that

ammonia related or Uhhuh. Yeah. But it wasn't during an operation. It wasn't during the normal course of operations. It was again during construction. And again, it was contained within the building. Somebody took a face full of it. So, can you describe the lighting that would be on? So, we would be totally compliant with any kind of light trespass laws. There are no lights on the building unless the FAA wants us to be red markers. We check. It's usually 200 ft. Oh, so we won't have big spotlights shining down. So, we'll have what 40 foot tall cut offs whatever whatever local code is. to follow through with what Kendra was alluding to with and then what you had just mentioned that there's other businesses in the area. Would this by any I mean I know this is not site plan related or whatever but would this by any chance bring other businesses to the area? Would it would it I mean like when the glass plant came it brought other area businesses would this by any chance bring anything else with it? We are working with um two other facilities and then also it has reignited and spurred interest to complete the truck plaza. Oh because the cold storage you mean cold storage goes in then the truck plaza is more That's correct. and want to come when they found this. Um, I've met with them four times since this plan's come in and they're putting everything together for that. Um, and that's why we were talking about in the future that that road goes all the way to 183rd because all that intersection all will be improved some way or another. You know, hopefully in the far future it'll be an overpass. Um,

but they really did this and then there's another project that is not in our jurisdiction that they're excited about u because of the trucks. And then I do know that uh we have a I don't I don't think I can say their name, but anyway, they're a truck and trailer repair and they are about 50 mi away right now and they're talking about trying to build a facility up here. just because the truck traffic is just keeps increasing and increasing 100%. I mean, you just look at everything that's being built. So, in addition to that, I know that we just a little bit ago were talking about how 175th Street 169 is one of the highest risk networks, but it's slated to be number three on the improvements list. So, cat's reading my mind. Well, and I said, you're reading my mind. Keep going. Just think about it. I just we're that railroad study is going on and but we won't even have that back until after we voted and approved on this. That's true. There's going to probably be I hope by what we're working on right now 20 more sites that'll be approved before that railroad study's over. Um, so I mean that railroad study is a long distance and they are looking at everything you know crossings that may be closed or how to better control crossings or widen them or you know what do they call it a no horn zone or what they quiet zone quiet zone zone so so what would be if you can what would be the the main thorough affairs what would be the main highway ways roads that you would be using just that for me. Yeah, just I mean just simply because we had just looked at all of this what would be some of those roads. So, uh Lineage doesn't own or operate its own um fleet in this

situation. This would be our customers equipment and again that kind of speaks to the number of trailer parking spaces. They're going to have a lot of idle equipment sitting there. Okay. Um, in fact, if you think about this ratio of trailer parking spaces, which is what's the big number, the 500, right? They have 3.5 trailer parking spaces for every single inbound load. So, if you do that math, that doesn't make sense at all. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's what they want. So, um I would say that yeah, I mean I would say everybody's going to come out of this turn left on 175 and probably go to Lone Elm to go north on 35. No, that or maybe go 159. Yeah, most go straight over to Gardener. either that or um we did I've just talked to some independents not for this but a different one and they really like to travel to 68 to I35 to go south. Mhm. That's what they like to do there. Uh if they're going to go north, a lot of times they go straight up into tha and take it and start fighting the traffic really instead of going over to Gardener and going Well, the thing is if the if there is some sort of truck plaza or something depending on if they have to fuel and get a drink and all that that does be that is that would be constructed in the gardener area. then maybe more of them would travel that way. But it, you know, you have it's just a preference. You know, if you think you can gonna go over there and you'd be better off and turn. Yeah. But we see a lot of semis going into the LA area and hit I35.

So, and I think uh maybe Google, you know, I heard that some of the businesses actually pay them a little bit to route them by them. So, you know, I don't know. I guess it's whatever Google or Elon wants them to do. Elon's out. Well, I mean, with his his link and all that stuff, I think so. I think the main things here are in in staff's eyes on this is we realize it's a very tall structure. Okay. Um this facility will be built somewhere and everything's getting larger and larger and larger and larger. Um, I I'd be more than happy to show you guys sometime if you want all the bids that we get in from the state and all the projects from the commerce department. And I think there's we've had to pass on a whole bunch of them because they are literally 500 acres or more. So, I think Pat, I agree with you, but this one is kind of very specific use for cold storage. That's correct. with an automated system where the building is structurally supported by the racking so that these fork trucks can go in and shoot up 150 ft and grab a pallet and bring it down. Um, I agree with you buildings are getting larger but not at this height. I think it's more of square footage and and size of the development versus this is very unique. Yeah. 145 ft. You know, we hope that someday that we'll get a hotel and Yeah, but a hotel would have a small footprint. 14 foot in this area. 14 stories. 14 stories. I'm sto but a hotel generally, you know what I mean? But

generally they're tall. They're not that big of a footprint. Usually like in a downtown otherwise they're usually like four to five stories tall. I mean, I think most of the concern is doubling that height from 70 to 140 and how much of a detriment would that be? I and and all I can tell you is what staff has determined that in that area there's going to be more of these um you know, all of it's going to be industrial, which I think we and this is a Yep. But just it's just a very tall building, you know. Uh it looks good. They're going to employ a lot of people uh for our community. Uh it I mean maybe it's not a lot for other communities, but it's a lot for us. So, um and and we don't just look at that. we look at that this is a a good use for that piece of property, you know, um and the area is going to be this type of structures. And the one south of here is not as tall. The one in Edwardsville is not as tall. Is there other ones in this area? There's he he just said that a lot of those they acquired and when they were built, the same scenario probably went on. Let's say that 100 foot one over there. Um, oh my, you know, it's tall. It's tall. It's tall. Or we look at the way warehousing's going. You know, it used to be where warehousing, if you had 200,000 square foot of warehousing, that was huge. Well, now it's million. So, everything's getting larger. And that's that's why we don't think there will be any detriment to this area because there will be structures sometime or another. I would

think even larger. Well, I'm sitting here thinking back years ago to the the gardener didn't want the interotal. Interotal. Literally thinking the same thing. They turned down the speedway. They turned down modal. Exactly. They turned down the speedway. I mean, and you think of all the growth that happened with the speedway. They turned down the inter modal and look what happened to Edertton and like he referenced earlier that that's all coming online and look where Edertton's headed. But is that from where you'd like to live? I my son bought and lived in Edertton. I mean, it didn't it didn't affect him at all. I mean, he made he made money off of his house that he bought and did well with it. And you know that I'm not against you know that I don't like house houses that are slabs. He had a slab house and he did really well with it. I mean he did well enough with it. He came over to Spring Hill and bought acorage and is doing just fine. I I'm just saying that I'll direct. I think that you you we have to continue to think outside of the box. I'm not saying that I am falling madly in love with 140 ft storage. I'm just saying we have to continue to think outside of the box or like Kendra said, it's going to go next door to tha. Well, and and there's a reason for the 140 foot because of the technology. Exactly. And it's more energy efficient. And remember, um, uh, Phelps Jud just brought up. It sits 900 foot back from the highway, you know, and, you know, segue. That's far back. See, that's what I was going to mention. I mean, I I know that the height is an issue, but I think I can live with it. I like the fact that it's hugging the railroad. It's not

necessarily hugging 169, right? M you know at least their current proposal is that it's going to be on the southern part of that whole plant not the so it's not going to necessarily hug unless they decide to change it for whatever reason on 175 right they still have good set but yes we are looking at the technology well and when you when we when I asked the question about the traffic going to the east. That's where the majority of your homes are. I mean, I'm not disputing that we've got homes going to the west. But going to the west, that's headed to the I35. Going south, that's highway. But going to the east is where there's the schools and more homes being built. I know that yes, you're going to in Yes, you're going to see the height, but I'm just saying we need to start thinking outside of the box. We've got to do our due diligence at thinking outside of the box. We have talked and talked about going to the east our south and east ourselves, but we're not ready to go there. And that's another one that would be railroad. That's another one that would be highway, but we're not we're not there yet. We don't That would be putting the cart before the horse. So, where are you talking about Cindy? South. South and east. You mean down 223rd area? No. Well, we are already. No, I'm saying Oh, I understand. But, you know, there are improvements that are going to be made down, right? I'm just saying we're not there. It would be putting cart before the a couple things real I wanted to jump in real quick. So, Chuck started this whole conversation off with some I think we're missing because we're more than doubling what we accept within the zoning. And I think it's the right location, the right zoning. I do think that sighteline

studies need to be done in some of these key locations cuz if we're asking to accept something that's double what is we say is acceptable. I think there needs to be more due diligence done. I'm not ready to say no. I'm not ready to say yes, but more due diligence done on the sighteline studies from the intersections from 191st from 183rd cuz I do think you'll see it from a lot of those major intersections cuz it was I I I and so if we're sure we're going to see it, I think we owe it to the community say, "Hey, how did you guys approve this?" I the rendering I've looked at a thousand renderings. I can't make Ezra Tales at renderings with our site. It looks kind of like a generic rendering of the building. I'd like to see a rendering on our site from an inter from 175th and I mean there's rail line going in there public road I none of it makes sense in the rendering. So, if we're going to be asked to approve something that's double what's required, I would ask for a little bit more due diligence on the sighteline study on the rendering and on those perspectives. Otherwise, we're going to hear from the community on why we approve some over 70 ft when the rendering wasn't even speaking to the plan. But, see, I again, I think that's thinking outside of the box cuz we've never asked for those type of things before. I think that's a good comment. Correct. Yeah. So, that's just my thought on the whole thing. I'm not I'm not against it, not for I just think there's more information. I think Josh is absolutely correct and that's kind of we can't get a bird's eye view of what that was and we have to explain it to our Yeah, it's hard to imagine something like that. I mean the we're not like we're not discounting it. No, it's just more the right you guys look at what it would look like double what the code is. And so with doing this, if it's not a huge problem, I mean, if we're I'm just saying if we're being asked to go beyond what's acceptable, it's double that even, I think, can we not ask for Okay, well then let's see what it looks like from the intersection. I think I think

that's fair. I'd like that. I think that's a fair I don't think it's unreasonable to ask. No, I don't either. I think it's fair. It could be done really quickly. I think that the area is appropriate for it. Yep. I am not comfortable committing today saying that I'm comfortable going over double what the maximum zoning devian is. So that's where I'm at. So I agree with Josh. That's where I'm at. I I like the location. Thanks to location, but I can't just say double what we we accept. Sure, why not? Yeah. Because it I just I'm not I'm have I'm struggling to see it. Pat, is it possible for you to do Yes, site rendering and we would just ask this be tabled till uh either a special meeting or the next meeting. Yeah, I'm fine with the next meeting. This is a big this is a big deal for our community. So, I don't want to I mean, here we are at 9:30 at night. I don't want to speed through it. I want to give it the proper thought. I I will say just to circle back, I know that on all of the Facebook pages and everything, taxes get brought up so much, right? It is. And so I I do love the idea of something like this for helping out with taxes, you know, the tax burden and especially going forward with what else might come. Absolutely. Um but I I agree with not being so blloze about passing something double the height requirement. I the employment opportunity 100% with that. Yes, you are. I hope we can make this work. I just want to make sure we get it all. Yes. Like you said, doing our due diligence for the community, especially when they're talking about if they were to build that 100th Street road up where it goes over, it might not seem nearly as there might be a lot of land that is now covering part of it, you know, as high. I don't know. I think if we have a better bird's eye view of the area, we'll be a lot we'll be a lot more

informed. Well taken too, Cad that that may make it the perception of it may absolutely change with that. Yeah. And and when you guys, you know, drive by the Walmart Walmart building, just imagine building that is triple the height, but it'll be back further from that road. I don't have a problem. That's where I think I mean 900t on a building this big picture. It's hard to picture. It's so huge. But also if they yes and noy like the building that's off of I35 by the way station and south of the north guard area it sits really far back doesn't seem as big just because it is so far back off the road. Which one is that? If you go south on I35 towards it's technically south. Hey guys. So we're all kind of splitting up in conversation. So do all right. No, that's So do you all want the table? Is there information you want to hear tonight that would let you make a decision? What? Okay. We know. We're we're waiting on the answer from Pat. Okay. Yes, we can have all the renderings and everything exact to this site. Um they'll do some different elevations on it. Uh I mean they're going to be the same elevations. It's going to be the same height ask. Um, so and what I'll do and working with Jud and all is we'll make sure that you know exactly how far from the streets it is and all that. Um, so we would ask that it be uh table tabled tabled to the next meeting or the special meeting or the next meeting. Next meeting. Do you want a month out or do you want two weeks like through the 19 18th and 19th? It just be a special meeting or the next meeting. Well, that's what I'm saying. Do you want

We're not going to put a date on it yet. The special meeting cuz we don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying. You So, you don't want If it was a special meeting, you don't want a date attached. That's correct. Just we just say a special meeting or the next scheduled planning commission. Just table it until the next meeting of the planning commission. No, he said meeting the next meeting of the planning commission. If there's a special one, then it can be that. And if there's not a special one, then it be the next regular one. Just put it on next. So, you don't want table just table it until the next meeting of the planning commission. If there's a special meeting for something else and this isn't ready, then we'll carry it over to the one after that. All right. Remind me. I do have a question whether or not we're still going to have a meeting on the 3rd of July if anybody's in town or out of town cuz that would be our next meeting. Yeah, that's just out of town. That'll be in discussion. Sorry. Well, we don't want to table it if you're not having a Well, I guess it doesn't matter. Well, we can take we can next all the next meeting. Yep. I really appreciate you guys answering so many questions for us. I think we want to get this to work. Yes. need to do our due diligence. I would like to move that we rec that I would like to move to table SP-25-4 site plan until the next planning commission meeting. Second that. Okay. Any further discussion? If not from the left I I I I I I Thank you guys. Thank you. We We appreciate you answering and being willing to get through very much. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

discussion looking discussion item being there. No, it does look colorful. It's like a bag of skills. Couldn't figure calling in backup. I did. So, um that's a that was a developer of the next discussion. Um and we knew it was going to be a long meeting. So, it and it's just a discussion item. So, we just said just stay home. I'll call you and you can watch it. So, um on this picture, um and Pat, if you can clarify some something said it was on the north side of Yeah. 175th, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I was I kind of got confused by your comments earlier. We're talking about something on the north side. Yeah, it's on the north side. Okay. So, this is east of Woodland, north of 175th. Mhm. Yes. Thanks. Yeah, it's directly over the tracks. And this is what I was talking about earlier. Um, as you can see, the entrances, there's two of them way to the east on it. Um, this development that is being proposed has many mixed uses in it. It will be a U planned development, town homes, duplexes, apartments, and then single families. You have the town homes. It was It was kind of hard to read down at the bottom. Yeah, this is So, what I did is took a picture with my phone and zoomed it out. So, but uh the blue is

town homes, the duplexes are the orange apartments are the green, and then purple, yellow, and blue um are the uh single family units on there. The total of all this is,82 doors. Um, this also leads back to what I say a lot of times. These things are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So what we're here to discuss is we wanted to talk to you to see the input. Oh, and there is some commercial there in the gray. I forgot. I'm sorry. So one to see about this project and with the density and the uses, the connectivity, the trail up at the north actually connects into uh an access point where we'll be able to eventually hook into the Johnson County system. Um, so with and then the two entrances that come in, you can see there are connecting entrances to future development. Uh, we were real careful not to pile a bunch of entrances to the east. I have had several conversations with that land owner over there. Um, and then also another developer that's looking to do that piece. And that's about the amount of entrances that looked like it was acceptable, three of them. And and it is quite a bit of entrances. So, we start out questions, comments, whatever. We got My first one is in the winter their sunset's going to be about 2 cuz of that building. Yep. Exactly. Mhm. I I that

was my thought too when I saw this before is that first thing I thought about that building goes there and that sun sets at like 2:00 they're still they're in the shade and and I think that this development may become less attractive to this developer if they already 145 ft he said they're aware of it they're aware of it yeah we look we they don't care we tell everybody I mean we discuss with everybody uh these are monthsl long discussions This one here is probably if I look back I bet we're on 6 months now just to this point. We're not hiding anything these guys. Yeah. I mean the overall layout I think it's great. It's the whole general the densities along the rail track by family rental. I mean I think like from a high level yeah it makes sense. Very well laid out. It's a tasteless joke earlier but that was my only comment but from a generic layout it makes sense. Yeah, I really like the layout of it. And they did um they did provide some commercial there um along that with this etched out area. U you know, I don't know that it'll end up to the meat packers as well. How how many how many acres is this at total? Um, I've got to zoom this out and remember to be Tell me if they build safe sidewalk. It's on. That's okay. I've got some here the other direction. I think that it was a um You can hop the train. Go anywhere. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's Let's get out of here. Okay.

It's um I like this. I mean, this plan I think, you know, checks a lot of boxes of what we're looking for. Um yeah, I wouldn't discourage them from it. What is I think 150. Okay. So, it's all the her land. Yeah. Okay. All of it. Yeah. Got it. The railroad tracks, right? On the other side of Woodland. 200 acres. That's right. So there's the railroad tracks are on the left if you across that and then down a thousand foot or so and you so you've you've presented these ideas for discussion to us a couple of times now and and I think we seem I don't want to speak for everyone else but I think we're very receptive about how many 225 acres 225 okay that's a big plot thank you and uh I think I think the uh planning commission is receptive to this these mixed use ideas And it's a very attractive concept. Yes. Um, only question I have, so thanks for the 220 acres. Are these lot sizes like extra small? They're listed down there. I know they're hard to read, but I can read them to you if you like. Like the single family are these. They're Can you clip them? Looks like these ones are 52 and then those are 62. Yeah, I'll pull it up. So, these aren't tiny lots. 55. So we have um town homes are 30x 65, duplexes are 40x 45, apartments are well 120 x 65 block. You know that's not uh 30x 55 uh 40x 70 and 50 by 90 are the building areas. So existing across the lot width and

depth 4090 60 90 140 140 uh 42 120 52 120 um and 62 120 and this is great. It's all laid in the chart there. I know it's very tough to read. So it looks like single family just to repeat what you said in reading it again. 42 52 and 62 foot uh lot widths. Yes. which which are I think that seems pretty standard for plan district. It look like 40% multif family, 60%. What neighborhood is that up here? Yeah. What's that neighborhood up in the far I guess right corner? Oh, I'm not sure. Is it Forest Tales or is it I I don't sure is closer to Merlin. I can't remember. So, what's the gotcha in this? cuz it looks great. It's got to be you get sh right. Okay, that's it. Thank you. 2:00 lights out. So, what the developer would like is and you know and and this is serious. I mean, they we've worked on this for months and months and months and she's watching right now and has text me a few things. you know, we want to know um before getting in here that this is something the planning commission can work with. Um then the elevations will be coming in. Uh did we get some elevations? I think we got a few but but we will we'll start working on the elevational side of it. Um it's a large severalphase development, but they're very confident that they can walk right through this very quickly. Um we've already spoke to water the sewer is going to be provided by the new sewer

project that's coming. Uh that should start in a few months. Uh water one is everything's good with them as far as water and all. Um, personally staff believes that it' be a good project. Uh, I think they they're going to maybe possibly maybe need a little bit more commercial when it all comes about. uh because I think there'll be a demand for um neighborhood commercial, but we can re-evaluate that as things go on because you can see up there uh above the commercial is duplex type and the first row could be taken out fairly easily or even the next and if they have to grow the commercial and that's a good plan to put it down obviously along 175th but be able to expand it if they need to on that with it's not single family residential is what I'm getting at. You know, it is surrounded by duplexes. So, how many stories are the apartments? I forget. Uh about 14. Are they wide? Uh Jenny, how tall are your apartments? just in our code like like three stories or four, right? It's not very big. I would just suggest that whoever the developer is start working with the people that leave across the street across the track across 175. The ones that always complain. There's two drivers it looks like. I'm not sure if there's a third one in there. You know them all. Okay. Yeah. No, I know what you're talking about, but I guess I

I mean the notifications go out and everything. Um, and I'm just saying PR because you're saying um I actually I I think because 175th is such a busy road already. I'm not going to speak for the residents, but I I would think that they would be pretty, you know, open-minded to different types of development coming in here because they live on a very major thoroughare right by the railroad track. Mhm. Three stories. Three stories. Do we know um what kind of I saw there's a little area for amenities. What types of amenities are they? We don't have that information. Not yet. But from now on, what we are going to do is with the preliminary plat. They will identify. They don't absolutely have to have the drawings and all, but they will identify on the preliminary plat what they're going to put in. Swimming pool. Swimming pool. Oh, cool. Water feature, whatever. I don't know, but it will be identified from now on on that. Awesome. Yeah. Do they have sufficient green space here to avoid the park fees? No. Okay. No, they'll be paying some park fees. Uh well, so let me take that back. if we can work with them to get a connection to the Johnson County which is just right up there in the it be the northwest corner. Mhm. Up through there and they get that connection and all you know we would be willing to trade out some park fees for that because that's a connection that we've been trying to get for ever and ever and that would connect into the Johnson County Trail System. and and you know, we're going to have a lot of residents that show up. Mhm. I mean, there's a subdivision over here

and you have the people across the street and all and they'll all be notified when a preliminary plaque comes in. And I mean, you know how it goes. We're going to have a lot of residents that are not in the community, are not a part of the tax base that um you know that will and and that's what the system's for. you know, we have to take all that into consideration when uh when they come in. So, uh that would they consider moving or extending that trail further south? Uh and you know 175. Yes, it it's going to be but the representation right there was to make sure that you knew that it is going to we're going to try and connect it up there into that trail system. Correct. Yeah. and and you can see I mean it it's a good plan but it's boxy and all you know they'll they'll have to submit the u elevations and everything for us. So I've got an academic question for you. So with such high density of residential, how does this compare for tax revenue production for the city compared to an industrial site on the same? it um that I I can figure it I'll calculate it for for you and get it sent out, but my gut is that the one that we just looked at and all will end up paying more uh taxes than this entire thing. Wow. And that's because of the value of that building. That's correct. Yeah. cuz I think was a hund and something million dollar project or maybe it was 300 and something million I don't remember now but um how would 175th Street overpass if that happens over that um railroad crossing how would that impact this

layout? That's why I said the beginning I'm sorry that's okay. They've already pushed their entrances to meet that distance. And you know, we've obviously tried to get right an extension off of Woodland, which makes sense. You know, we're in that area, but with all what what the um study came or what the initial study said is 1,000 foot, so they've pushed it that way. Okay. Sorry that I missed. That's okay. They're going to extend the trail clear through and [Music] um yeah that she said they're going to extend the trail clear through. So we we have a lot of work on that with them to do, you know, because initially there was a a different plan that came out that really wasn't they didn't do it but a different developer did and then picked up on it and changed it around. So, I don't think it's a bad layout at all. I think we can work with this and get it going. And also, it does help support uh that 10 or 12 million sewer line that's going to run up through there. We don't we haven't had a bid yet, but I think the estimates were about that. Um, this and several other subdivisions we're working on right now down through there to help support this sewer line. Um, so should be a quick payback on that if the if the development happens. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about on an average three to I think it's actually 4,000 gallons a month where that industrial complex would have used this whole thing probably in one day, right? So, so on the math back to the tax

revenue Mhm. If if there's 1182 units and if they were $300,000 a piece, that's $354 million. Mhm. So compared to 180 million for Heir's Rock, that's the commercial or the industrial is taxed at like twice the rate, right? Like 14%. So they're they're roughly equal. And then 7% for residential. I think you're using some fuzzy math there. Yeah, I know. Says say says the actuary, the statistician. Not all uh $300,000. Uh I know there's apartments taking a swag here. Okay, I hear you. And there's duplexes. You know the other part of but it's not as far off as we think for the re tax revenue. Yeah. The other part of this is um you know and in talking to this developer and all you know 150 200 jobs whatever sitting right there. Yeah. Well that's a very good possibility of selling 50 houses in the next day. It helps all the businesses here locally when you people that job. So she's listening. She appreciates your time. Um we'll um keep working with them on it. Hope to have a preliminary plat um to you shortly. Uh you know with the holidays and everything coming up but and then immediately go ahead and start working on final plats maybe same time some elevations things like that. um you know it's going to be standard for the whole area that's being built in the metro area. So um anyway we'll get that there'll be a combination of slabs and basement and on

and on. So okay thank you. Thank you. Thanks Jenny. Any other announcements? Can we look at the July date? Schedule for July 3rd right now. Everybody going to be available for the third? No. No, I'm not. Josh isn't. I'm not testing. There goes the rezoning. The reasonzoning. We'll have to have a meeting. Time for the third. Okay. Well, we'll have to we'll look for another date. There might still be a quorum. Yeah. Is there going to be is there going to be enough for a quorum on the third? I was going to say there's three of that's still six out of nine. Yeah. Well, everybody had to show up. What? We're all out. I know. That's three. That's three out of nine. Well, there's only seven here tonight. Why? We don't know. You're fired. You're a royal. One, two, three. Four, five. Yeah. So, let's look at it and if you guys can email Amy if you really can make it, you know, or not. Um, so, you know, just long as we have enough for a quorum to get the reszoning through. Um, well, that way she only has to make two phone calls. Yeah,

I was thinking I wouldn't be here for August, but I guess I will be. Okay, any other announcements? I have a quick thing to share, kind of a community sort of related thing that um welcome you guys to be involved with. So, I organized a meeting this week between um Spring Hill School District administrators and the Dodto district uh CEK, the Cedar Trails Exploration Center. And what this was was a year ago, I read an article about a uh student community art project where the high school students between two high schools designed and then built a sculpture to put at the middle of a roundabout. So, I've pitched this idea to a couple of council members and uh shared it with Allison and everyone likes it. So, the idea is the first target would be the 199th in Ridge View roundabout and and we would have a student design competition this fall among the art students to design a sculpture and then it'll also be a collaboration between the two districts because we don't have a CTE that's built up like like Dodto's is. It's a impressive facility. So, they'll help with the fabrication of it and including the fabrication of the models. The models are usually just laser cut um cardboard or they could be 3D printed plastic that's painted and then the students uh would then present those models to a panel. Um, I spoke with Sharon Mitchell yesterday about it and we're probably going to put together a new panel since the arts council is disbanded, but a panel of judges with representatives from the district, the community, the um the local artists, maybe seven to 10 people at most. They will judge the submissions, pick a winner, and then I assume then it would maybe come here or maybe it would go straight to the city council. Yes, it go straight to the city council for them to approve. And so every time I hear about a new roundabout, I'm excited because I think there's a runway here to do to do

multiple projects everywhere. And um so anyways, I I think it's really interesting and in the Dotto district, they're getting a lot of traction with this. They're on their third sculpture now. And um so I think it's something we can do and I think there's there's it'll just be a great opportunity for the students to learn to to to pitch in front of the city council to uh work with local businesses um once the the the installation comes along and then um yeah and then the city can have insurance for us so that when a semi drives it over we can replace it still. Yeah. Oh gosh. Yeah. It'll I'm sure it'll be by the big it'll be bolted down well. But anyway, so I'm pretty excited about that and and that roundabout is such a blank canvas. It's it'll be fun to start with that. I'll tell you what, if anybody who has been to that Dodto facility, it's it's phenomenal. Yeah, it is phenomenal. I I was like to Sonto how did they get such a huge I know facility and the 30 who is yeah so ours will be online in a few years and then I um secretly I think our collaboration could end at that point but we'll see anything else to follow up with you come out Price choppers driveway and going towards east. That trail that you see right there as you come out of that is crumbled back. Yeah, it said there's signs up that say the city. It's city property. Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Blackhawk. Yeah.

and just turn right. Did you look down that way weeds and it's all crumbled? It's a motion to so moved. Second. Second. All those in favor? I All those opposed. How do I get so old? That's what happens with a meeting. You just a dog ears.