City Council - Regular Meeting

Is there only one? It's one spot. There's three applicants. One spot. One spot. Berenstein here. Bertrand here. Council member Bertrand, can you pull that microphone down so I can make sure the recording gets there? Thank you. Rayford here. Shaner here. Scott. Here. Stand for a moment of silent prayer followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, please. See the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Jean Logan here. Let's see, Jean, somebody else here for the. Rachel's here. Okay. Hi. Got a hand over some of those torches some of the time, doesn't she? Okay, we have proclamation that reads, whereas Community Action Agency of Siouxland and the Iowa Association for Education of Young Children, in conjunction with the National Association for the Education of Young Children, are celebrating the week of the Young child, April 11th through the 17th. Whereas, by highly highlighting the need for high quality early care and education for all children and families within our community and the state, these groups are committed to the early care and education system in Iowa that will ensure each and every child, beginning at birth, is healthy and successful. Whereas, based on the latest research on brain development and how children learn and what we know about the return on investments in young children, we fully support the need for access to high quality early care and education services, whereas we must recognize the vital work performed by early care and education professionals,

express our gratitude for their important services and support efforts to see that they are fairly compensated. Now. Therefore, I, Robert Scott, mayor of the City of Sioux City, Iowa, on behalf of City Council, do hereby proclaim April 11th through the 17th, 2026 as week of the Young child in Sioux City, and encourage all our citizens to work and to make an investment in early childhood. I'd like to present this to you guys and thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor and City Council members, on behalf of our Head Start and Early Head Start program, I'd like to thank you for proclaiming the week of the young child in our community. Each year that Head Start, we have the privilege of serving children and families across Sioux City in 29 infant, toddler and preschool classrooms, many located in areas of highest need, ensuring all children have access to high quality early childhood experiences that prepare them for school and beyond. Proclamations like this help us elevate the importance of our work and the impact it has on our community. During this week, we celebrate and showcase the incredible work happening in the field of early childhood across Siouxland. One of the ways we do this is by welcoming more than 25 community members into our classrooms to share a meal, read a story, or simply spend time playing with the children. Each visitor receives a piece of artwork created by our children to take back and display at their workplace, helping spread our message even further. This year, we're especially excited to have Council Member Ike Raiford joining us in one of our classrooms. And of course, as always, you are all welcome to visit at any time. Thank you once again. Thank you, thank you. Art Center Board of Trustees Cynthia Moser. Cynthia, you want to come up and tell us a little bit about about why you want to continue to serve. Good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to come and meet with you today. I have submitted my application to serve on the Sioux City Art

Center Board of Trustees. It would be my second time actually serving on that board. I can't remember the exact dates, but I think it was the late 90s or early 2000 when I served on the Board of Trustees. My husband and I returned to Sioux City in 1979, and the art center has been kind of a through line for me. And all of the 47 years that we've lived here. I think it is an outstanding example of how public and private entities can come together and really do something significant for the quality of life. And that's certainly what the Art center Board of Trustees. Obviously, the City of Sioux City, which provides significant funding for the building and staff, and the Art Center Association, which is the fundraising arm, has enabled Sioux citizens to enjoy, learn, get educated about different kinds of art, and just have fun. The programing there, I think is outstanding, and I look forward to the opportunity to serve. If this city council is willing to give me that opportunity. Thank you. I appreciate your willingness to serve. Cindy, I remember when you were on before. You'll do a great job. I know you've been on a number of boards and commissions, not only locally but throughout the state, and you always do an excellent job. So I appreciate your interest in serving on the library or the art center board. I know you'll do a great job. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you, I appreciate it. David Corman, The Wastewater Treatment Plant Reconstruction and Design Advisory Committee. Good afternoon. I was recommended by Cameron Bell, the wastewater treatment plant, to apply to this board since they're expanding the facility. I currently work for Royal Canin in North Sioux City, where one

of the major industrial industrial users. That's. Our benefit from the wastewater plant being functional and working well as a project manager at that facility to help build the facility and to expand the wastewater treatment plant that we have our treatment plant there. And I'm currently an environmental manager at the factory. So you're applying for one of the five major user positions? Yes, sir. And I assume there is an opening for in amongst the major users there is. Great. I appreciate your interest. All right. Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you. We'll go to the consent agenda which is three through 13. You can consider those items passed unanimously unless a separate roll call votes requested by a council member. Do you want to speak on any of these items? Please come up as I read it. If you want to speak on an item not on the agenda, please come up under citizen concerns. Remember to always state your name for the record. I'll move the consent agenda. Second three is a reading of the April 6th City Council minutes. I have one change to those minutes in the council concerns. I had made a comment regarding the demolition of the Law Enforcement Center, and at that time I was noting wanting to visit with Marty and Renee broadly, not just about that particular site. So if you could just amend the minutes to reflect that. For is a motion appointing Chad Smith to the parking and skywalk system Board of Trustees five is a resolution accepting all donations for the reporting period of January through March 6th is a resolution approving the Home Investment Partnership intergovernmental Agreement with the City of South Sioux City, Nebraska and the City of Dakota City, Nebraska. Quick question. Is there anybody on Jill. Question I've got is why

does this community agreement only deal with South Sioux City, North Sioux City, not Sergeant Bluff, not other communities? Jill, neighborhood services Manager That is an excellent question. This was put in place back in, I believe, 2003. So far before my time. I could definitely get an answer for you, but I'm just not sure if top of my head, I'm assuming it had something. It has something to do with the population characteristics, how low income they are. I'm going to make the assumption that Sergeant Bluff might be a little bit higher income than than South Sioux City. And with all the math, I'm assuming that's why. But I can find out for you. Okay. Thank you. Seven's resolution approving a settlement statement from Tyco Fire Products for the p f a s class action litigation. Where will these funds go? Where will they be deposited? I know in the general fund, but. Finance director, these funds will stay in a project that will specifically be used for the PFAs, any remediation or any type of environmental issues. So I know I had a chance to visit with Brad about this particular litigation and the issues. What other pending litigation or activity do we have for recovery? We're part of the class that has gone after the major contributors of these chemicals we've joined in, and now we're just waiting for the settlements to go through with all of the large companies. So liability has been confirmed or is there still trial? It's been these are settlement agreements that have been approved. Yes. As far as the remediation and the levels, that's something that could be ongoing and changing depending on testing. Right now one of our wells is affected. It's the South branch. But there wasn't a trial, was there? There was a settlement. Settlement? Yes. They've reached settlements

with all of the major contributors. Eight is a resolution approving amendment to the software license agreement with Encode plus for a web content accessibility audit, web content accessibility remediation, and an updated site template. Nine's resolution appointing Teresa Fitch as the assistant city manager and amending the authorized personnel complement by reclassifying one position of finance director to the assistant city manager. So I had a chance. I reached out to Mike. I wanted to make sure I was clear on the appointment. I have no issue with. It's the retitling of the position as city manager and assistant city manager and finance director. I just want to make sure there's no confusion in the future. Finance director. So in this case, I will be acting as the finance director, but the finance director position will still be available. Should at some point somebody, somebody else become a finance director and that assistant city manager cover other items such as Mike when he covered transit, airport and admin services. So the finance director position is not being retitled Assistant City Manager. No, it's being removed from the from the complement because we won't fill it. Okay. And it could be used in a future date depending on the needs. Okay. Thank you. Lisa, I've been working with you now since 2020, and I just want to say I can't think of a better person to move into this position. I appreciate all the flexibility you've had over these years. You filled in at the CMG garage. You where the finance director hat you've been interim city manager, finance director for several years. You filled in for part of the. Dave's job. I'm at a loss for words. The Public Works director took part of his duties, so I appreciate that. I

appreciate your dedication to the city and your knowledge for this job. You made a lot of improvements and changes since you took the finance director job, and it's really appreciated, I appreciate that. Thank you, and I appreciate the opportunity to continue to serve our city. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Teresa Tanner actions adopting construction documents as a resolution, adopting plans and specs for the construction of the Martin Luther King Junior Transportation Center Elevator Monitor modernization project B is a resolution adopting plans and specs for the Cedar Avenue Water Main replacement. Project C is a resolution adopting plans and specs for the 1110 Larsen Park Road flood repair project. Leavener application for cigarette tobacco, nicotine and vapor product permits to over applications for alcohol licenses 13 are board's commission and committee minutes. Anyone to be heard on any of those items? Seeing none. Passes five zero Mr. boards, commissions and committees 14 A motion appointing one of the following three applicants to the Library Board of Trustees. The applicants are James Hodgins, Shannon Jorstad and Linda Santi. I'd like to nominate Linda Santi. Does that need a second? Second. You can vote electronically. I'm just going to open that. Is that the only nomination you take? Others. Is it individually? How's that work? What's that? They got to be individually

nominated out of that work. I think it's important to point out. Give me the process. Yes, sir. There are three applicants for one position. Yeah, for one opening. So now that there's been a motion and a second, there'd be a vote on the nominated candidate. If that fails, then you could nominate another individual if you chose to do so. So first one nominee wins. How does that work. Oh so there's a motion and a second. Now we can have discussion, discussion and then a vote. And if it fails, you could move on to another candidate. So you can't you don't receive a motion right now on the son, another candidate you'd have to vote on the one that's on the floor currently, unless it's drawn. Yeah. But I'm saying if it passes, then the other person's don't get a vote, don't get a vote on it. Right. And with this particular three applications that have been submitted, there is a second position available in June for an applicant on their second term. So for the candidates that aren't successful in this application cycle, there's another cycle in six weeks. That is correct. So the vacancies if there is a term expiring there are technically two terms expiring June 30th of this year. And so those vacancies will be posted May 1st. And we will invite more applications at that time as well. Perhaps conduct more interviews if we do get more applications. And those the two not selected here today will be included in the vote for next time as well. We hold those applications for 18 months. So other candidates can be discussed in the discussion portion of this nomination or this. You can certainly share your thoughts now. Okay. Not I'm not I've never done it that

way. But it's interesting how that works. Go ahead. So this discussion, so I guess I look at it is when you look at the three candidates I was going to nominate, Shannon Jorstad a couple of reasons. I don't really know her that well. I know her personally, but I just know that during this last brush up when the library, a lot of the discussion was going on. I thought she was a great independent thinker. Through this, she gathered the facts. She reached out to all of us. I think almost all of us individually. She serves on the currently serves on. Is it the friends of the library presents some great ideas. She's for the bookmobile. She's for the idea of. Possibly she. She was open minded to the expansions of where we were doing with the library quality individual. I just I think it's what I like about all this. This process is the quality of individuals, I think that are starting to come to the these to the table starting at these type of boards and hopefully starting to fill more leadership positions within the city in the future. Shannon is one of those people that we want to not discourage get her involved. So it's not not anything against Linda or anybody else or James. I'm a no on this because I'm going to hold out for Shannon. I would echo Rick's comments. I know Shannon very well. She did reach out to me a couple of times during the budget cycle, and I found her perspective to be refreshing, very well thought out. I think Linda, Santi and James would be very good candidates. Linda reached out as well and shared her thoughts. But in my mind, and this is not a reflection of James or Linda, but I'm going to vote no simply because I would prefer that Shannon get this particular position and

that the positions that are available in June reflect James and Linda's applications at that time. I have a conflict of interest. Shannon's a client. So this time we're just voting on Linda. Right? It's two, 2 to 1, which means it fails, or I think it does give us an opinion. It's correct. It fails. I wanted to just double check when there's a conflict of interest. If there's less that are voting, the majority is recalculated, but it's 2 to 2. So it does feel. Item fails. I will move the nomination of Shannon, I second that. Okay, so on this one I will call the roll. So this is for Shannon Dorestad Bertrand a Rayford no Shaner I Scott sustain conflict of interest team I. Passes three two. Linda and James. We'll see you in a couple of weeks. Recommendation planning and zoning 15. Ordinance rezoning 1000 Morningside Avenue. The petitioners PNC recommends approval. First consideration approved on April

6th, 2026. Need a motion for second reading? I'll move that. Do I have a second? I'll second Julie's motion. Passes 4 to 1. I vote no. 16 is a hearing on the HUD Sioux City Consortium year two action plan. I'll move that. Second. Public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 17. Hearing and resolution. Adopting the annual plan for the section eight Housing Choice voucher Program. I'll move that second public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 18 A hearing and resolution approving plans and specs for the Gordon Drive water main sanitary sewer early relocation package project. I'll move that second. Public hearings now

open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 19. A hearing and resolution approving plans and specs for the Park Avenue Boulevard water main replacement project project, Glendale Boulevard, Martha Street. I'll move that second. Public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none. The hearing is closed. Mr. mayor, can I make a comment real quick? The to all my neighbors and Kelly Park a. This is a long time coming. This water main. So we're very excited about it. I also want to reiterate, I think we're on the schedule in Kelly Park for 2028 for the Resurface. Come on Gordon, you should have that topo top of mind. Gordon fair city engineer resurfacing a park view isn't it 2028. We got that on there. Don't remember. Let me answer it is the okay. So we're really excited about that. So anyway, Kelly Park's a great neighborhood. I grew up in it, still living there. And I'm glad we're seeing we're doing got some gravel last week out there and some of the hills. So a lot of smiles. I was driving home so very excited. We get a new water main. Passes. Well I think it passed five zero. Went fast. There it is. Okay. Pass five zero. 20

hearing resolution approving a dark fiber master lease agreement with Iman Communications was deferred from April 6th, 2026. I'll move it. Second hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 21. A hearing and resolution assessing a civil penalty of $300 against chasing clouds. Vapor collected for violation of the Iowa cigarette laws. I'll move that second hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 22 is a hearing and resolution assessing a civil penalty of $300 against Sky smoke shop and Vape two for violation of the Iowa cigarette laws. I'll move. That second public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Passes five zero 23 is a resolution adopting 2026

first quarter supplement to the Sioux City Municipal Code. I'll move that second. As is five zero 24 is an ordinance amending chapter 1.01 entitled Code Adoption of Municipal Code. I'll move that second. Passes five zero. Anybody opposed waving the statutory rule? No. Move it. Second. Rayford a Shaner I Scott Berenstein a Bertrand a move second. Third second Shaner I Scott Bernstein. Bernstein I Bertrand a Rayford I 25 amending chapter 8.24-130. Entitled Litter covered receptacles required for municipal code. First consideration passed April 6th, 2027. I'll move second reading. Second. Tom, Public Works director. I'm not sure if anyone here is for Gil or Waste Management, but Gil and Waste Management both have submitted statements. Gil said they will

follow along with whatever the council wants, and Waste Management is asking for a six month probation period, pretty much to better train their clients and their drivers to try to eliminate or reduce the litter coming out of them. What would a six month probation period look like? Do they have an insight with the wind? As an alternative, waste management would like to propose that we both work to educate drivers and customers regarding proper lid closure and container placement, that we ask you to consider a six month or longer time frame to see if this approach is effective in reducing litter. Can you quantify the result? It would be really hard, especially maybe those six months. It's not windy like it is in the winter. Having been a customer of theirs in the past, a commercial customer, I would lean to say that waste management customers are probably less likely to have the overstuffed dumpsters because they get. They charge a fine. If you're up over the rim, you're paying for that, you're paying for that. So it tends to force their customers to stay within the edges of that container. And if it's closed and up, you're still getting a fine. So I don't know that this is going to help them by giving them six months, because I think they've already educated their customer by having a consequence. If they overload and the lids aren't closed, they get a fine. Right? Right. And Gil does not do that. So it's almost like it should be flip flop that request. But you know, they're willing to comply. And I think that's a great thing. We got to get rid of this trash that's flying around. I just wanted to make sure you

guys had all the information. I'm not recommending that we give them six months. Yeah. If I thought there was a way to manage it and quantify the result. I wouldn't have a problem with the six month deferral. But I just don't know how we quantify that. And I think the issue is existed, and I think we've had enough people contact all of us that have said that it's necessary. So well, the good news is we gave them an opportunity to weigh in. Everybody's weighed in. Yep. That's correct. So we're good. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. I believe the third or not vote on this one first. Passes five zero. I'll make a motion to waive. Scott. No, a Bertrand, a Rayford, a Shaner. I know we're going to citizen concerns first, just so you know. Okay. Citizen concerns. Are there any do we need to move the motion? Yes. I'll move third reading. I think it needs a second. Berenstein a Bertrand, a Rayford, a Shaner I Scott. Citizen concerns. Are there any citizens that want to talk to the council? Please come forward. State your name for the record. Sharon Brown. And so that I don't go over my three minute time limit. I just want to I don't can't give you a lot of background, but I guess I want clarification, especially from Mr. Bertrand and Shaner, because you're all into housing developments. But what happens when the

contractors for these developments don't follow rules and regulations, and then it affects your property specific. My house. 2605 41st Street 2600 Bing's Court. There was a natural swale that had been built in. Now it's retaining walls and now there is a lot of mud in my yard lot. A lot of mud in the neighbor's yard, two inches of mud. Last year when they started it in the neighbor's pool at the bottom and still having mud issues. Contractors don't understand what a silt fence is or how to apply it properly. I had an email from Ara Montag. Yeah, basically saying that water is allowed to flow downhill. Duh. But mud. Something has to stop it. Yeah. So you're trying to push through contractors being able to get on top of everything quickly. And I appreciate that I do, but how do we ensure that they're going to follow laws that Sioux City is in that perspective is way over way over regulated? Now, does big rains happen and things happen? Not defending what happened, but was there silt fence up? Not when it originally happened. Was it was it early in the construction phase? No, no. Because I mean, again, it goes back to the enforcement side. They put it up after mud started flowing and I complained enough and enough and enough. Yeah. But for the most part, I mean, I think I think, you know, you got to break a few eggs to make a make an omelet. Things happen. And hopefully they cleaned it up or they paid to clean it up. Oh hell no. Pardon my French. Go talk to them. Did you talk to the contractor? Yes I have, yeah, I get nowhere. Yeah. Well, so next I've got to call into a lawyer next, because I don't know what else to do. But I think the city also takes some responsibility. Sorry. The city should take some responsibility. Because who inspected that and

said, hey, that's fine. Why don't we maybe redirect it? And I appreciate that you reached out to Erin and she gave you some commentary. Let's maybe ask Mike to follow up, maybe get him your contact information. Let's ask Mike to redirect it within City Hall and we'll see what answers we can get you. Thank you. Okay, let us know. And like I said, we can get get with the contractor and see if they can clean it up. Anyone else? Hello? Lihi. Tonga. I am part owner and a property 901 Nebraska Street and talked to a few of you guys. I know that there has been a push for this property to be demolished, and I. I understand that and I empathize with the concerns for that. I don't know if there was a lot of backstory communicated to you guys, but we're extremely close to finalizing all the plans to get this done. I actually talked to Marty today and sent over the blueprints to Henry, the plans examiner. So. Lehigh, when you say you're close, can you give me some parameters of what that means? So we've already we've already. So my company, I own, we do restoration work, specifically commercial residential work. State the name of your company, Royal restoration Royal. Yep. So I worked for a company called Paul Davis Restoration for many years. Two years ago, went off on my own, doing our own work. My wife and I own properties that we buy, renovate. Are you from Montana? We're not. So we're. We live in Sioux City. Our partner is from Montana, so we're 5050 on the

property. Oh, because I see the address is to Montana on the correct. So when Kyle originally purchased the property, which I assume is like five years ago, which is that entire parcel. And does that mean the units along Nebraska and then behind. Correct, correct. For houses. Is that correct for there's four total. Now I apologize there's four more. There's five total, four behind the one that we're talking about. And so we wrote an extensive estimate to do the entire project, demoing it all the way down to the studs, replacing everything. Up until this point, people have been trying to just do small patch work in the property that clearly wasn't going to work. That's why people continue to back out of the project. We came in and Kyle bought the property, originally contacted me, asked me if I wanted to join with him. I agreed, but my only stipulation was that we renovate the entire thing to the studs because I didn't want the continued problems that they had originally. So we wrote an extensive estimate on it. We've secured funding for the entire project. We put up $100,000 to get a stay of demolition in that time frame. I, I made it super clear that it was extremely difficult to get plans done, which is what the city required. They didn't have any on the property in the last three ownerships we've contacted had no action to get any plans, so we had to get long. Have you and your partners owned the property? So Kyle has owned it? I think three years. I've only been owners with him since we applied with the city, which

was seven months ago. I think that's the the the time frame. And so the biggest holdup was getting the plans done. There's nobody in Sioux City that does all of the MEP items. I communicated that when I signed the paper, I said, hey, you, I can't get somebody to give me full blueprints on this entire project in 90 days. It's just nobody's going to want to do it, especially when the condition that it was in. And so my, my thing was, is that we got the blueprints done. I sent them to Henry today. Really? We need to get them approved, get back to us, and we can start like I'm we're ready to rock and roll. I understand there was a delay, but there wasn't a delay on our part of actually moving on the project. I reached out to the city during this entire seven month period, which was kind of interesting because I was out of town last week with my daughter, but I did watch the city council meeting and they said that there was no communication, but there was communication. I met with the city inspector multiple times on the property, with the engineer and the architect, to make sure that we were going through the plans appropriately. So it's not for lack of effort and trying was their effort. So you said that Kyle. Yes. Owen took ownership three years ago. Yes. And seven months ago you joined him. Correct. Company. So for the two years and five months before you were involved, was their active engagement to get plans and have a phased project, or did it was it fairly inactive for that two years and five months until you got involved? I don't think it was. Now. I don't know, because originally Kyle purchased the

property. I actually looked at it to also purchase it and then decided it just wasn't really what I wanted at the time, and he bought it. And then when he purchased it, he was looking for someone to renovate it. And then he, the realtor knows me and told him, hey, Leah, I could renovate it if you're interested. So when he reached out to me, he, he, I think he really got a grasp on what it would take to do this thing. And it was really out of his wheelhouse. The I really like him. I've joined him with him, but he's a real estate guy. He's not a construction guy. And that came very evident to him super fast. And so he reached out and said, hey, if, if, if I'm not interested in just renovating it, would you be interested in partnering with me on it? And I agreed. So that's how we got into contact before that, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what his plans were. So question plans you got you say they're done. Yes. Stamped. Engineered. Yes. All ready to go. Have you done any you've been in contact with any of the utilities. What's what's the current situation with all the utilities hookups. You got to do any upgrades in the street, are you. I mean, so not from the street. So we've already. So the previous owner tried to run a water line into the building for sprinkler system. That was really the only main update that they wanted to do. I spoke with Joe already. He we've already talked about all of the water line stuff, and as long as there's no major issue with the sewage system below, then part of your plans, have you put together your utility plans, part of your plan? So that's all been submitted. That's you telling me Henry's got that stamped on his desk? I sent it to him. Probably. So the other question I got for you. So what's your total

budget? That's a fair question. Yeah, it's 980,000. Okay. What's your target demographic on these? It's going to be low to middle class, right? Like, I mean, you think the math works on this? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean these things are rough, man. I mean yeah, so we've demoed it first of all, from a, from a, from a developer standpoint, spend some money. It's great, I love it. I love what you're thinking, love where you're at. I'm just sitting there going, is it these things have been an eyesore and for the neighborhood and the neighborhood isn't getting any better. And I'm just, I guess I'm just questioning that. Is this really going to happen? It's 100% going to happen. We've already put the money into it. I think we're you got proof of funds? Yeah. We had to submit that early on to even get the stay of demolition. So can I can I ask you about that? Lihi. So I had a chance to visit with Daryl, look through the paperwork because you had not contacted me. I know you've contacted others. Sure, but I had reached out to apologize about that. No, no, that's all right. But some of the paperwork he was showing me, he showed me a financial commitment from a financial institution out of the Iowa City or Coralville area. Correct. Is that what you consider to be a letter of credit or a letter of intent? Yes. And we've we have we've already secured it. They know the property. They've gone through it. We went through it. We went through the estimate with them. So do you have a letter, a proof of funds? That's why I asked, do you have a proof of funds? Letter from the bank, from the institution. So intent is different than proof of. Do you mean if before we go, that's you're going. That's why I asked the first question. That's a good question. And we can't get that easily once. The problem is, is that in its current condition with where we're at, right, and the volatility of the property, who like nobody's going to commit to anything, we had to pay, we continue to pay the engineer and architect to get the plans, really not knowing if everybody today would be like, nah, we're just going to

move forward, right? So for us, it's like, we're, we're in it. We continue to to pay knowing that there was a chance. So I want to make sure I understand what you just said, because you said that you had a financial commitment from a lender. Yes. And then you said, and I can't I can't repeat verbatim what you said, but I thought you were implying that you really weren't able to get a firm commitment. We have a firm commitment. They're fully aware of the property, the state of the the situation. As long as we can get a commitment with the city to move forward, we can start the project immediately. So could I ask what kind of. Let me ask one question then. Go ahead. Nicole, have you seen the letter from the financial institution? So Daryl or Marty, whoever's got the the paperwork, could you get that to Nicole so she can give us an opinion on that letter? And, Lehigh, maybe it's necessary to get a different phrased letter, because as I read it, it didn't sound like. Yes, I've seen the letter. It's been a while since I looked at it, but we can get it to Nicole and look at it. The things the council required last. I believe it was August when a 90 days was given was the $100,000. The. The letter from a financial institution and. And the budget plans, which. It was a budget at the time. Yeah. Budget cost estimates. That's right. He did get those. So we'll I guess we'll have to take. I looked at that letter for a while, but I can we can go over it and Marty, to that point, the the 90 day stay was because he didn't meet those requirements that that 90 day stay was with contingent on those requirements or to get them with those requirements. No, just that that no, the 90 day stay was with those requirements, right. Provided, provided. So I had to provide

them first. Right? Correct. Then they said, okay, with all of these items, we'll give you the 90 days. That was August. How many units are you? Are you just doing the brick? Are you doing those houses out back too? So currently it's just the front. It's 14 units. 14 and it's 960. It's it's like 980 and Lehigh, as far as you know, if you get the permits, what kind of time frame are you looking at to from, you know, getting in there to roughly 6 to 9 months in a, in getting the project completed. You know, when I, when I look at the property, I think it's worth saving for sure visually because I look at the property, you know, we continually hear how we're sort of eliminating that historic preservation element of our community. I'm going to be interested to hear what his thoughts are. Since you're literally across the street from the warming shelter, and I'm not going to impose on Shayla to give us an opinion one way or the other. But when I drive by the property, you there's a there's a historic feel to the property. That being said, I think we need to make sure that we have a firm, well understood commitment if. And I know today is just citizens concerns. So we don't have anything in front of us. But when it does come in front of us formally, I'm going to need to see something that's clearly concrete in terms of your plans. To Rick's point, if they're stamped any other elements, the utilities, and otherwise, make sure that Nicole is comfortable with the paperwork as well. Because I do believe, you know, I visited enough with Jim Young in our community and have a lot of respect for Jim and and believe that there's a historical preservation perspective that is important in our community. That being said, we can't we

can't let that guide good decisions. And so I'm willing to be open minded as this comes before us formally. And I do appreciate that. And I, yeah, we we talked this morning and he told me he told me he was going to submit some plans. I have not had a chance to talk to Henry or Daryl since then. We've been tied up all afternoon, but. And Daryl, I'm sorry Daryl could not be here tonight, so I don't know. What. If they've looked at those blueprints or plans, what they concluded from them. I'm sorry. And again, I'm not advocating. I'm not against development at all. It's just that I look at the the scope of the project and the problem that that area has become. And as you see that this new, new council is focused on enough of this blight in town, it's time you start to see things being torn down as we speak more rapid. And I just I'm just doing simple math in my head. And you're looking at 60,000 a door to try to refurb those. I just I just want you to get into this. And number one, I just, I think it's fair for the city to see proof of real funds. And number two, a real hard budget based upon a set of stamped plans with utilities and everything else on the upgrade. If not, I think we're going to get down this road, either going to run out of money and it's going to sit there or just isn't going to happen, and we're just kicking out. So I applaud what you're doing. But this to me is one of those projects that just it's a lift, man. And I do agree with that. I'm not I'm not out of the realm of doing these projects. Right. I've done a ton of projects in this area, especially with with fire damage, water damage, major restorations on projects. And so let me switch gears. What do you need from us to go and what's your timeline? So I know what's your time? When can you go? When's your, when's your financing in place? When you can start getting cleaned up, when you can start roping the property off, regulating the property, cleaning it up, getting the squatters out. When can you, when can you make a difference on the property other than just sitting there

and looking at us for 90 days? Yeah. So thankfully there is no squatters. We've been on that. I submitted the plans today as soon as they can get approved. And I did talk to Kyle and he has a building permit. The building permit. That's all we need. But I mean, let's let's switch it up. Let's switch gears. When can you be on the ground? So if when if I got the building permit tomorrow, we could start tomorrow. Your funds are ready to go. I got a commitment from Kyle. We we actually had the plans done last Wednesday, so I had him contact the bank, make sure we're good to go. I asked him specifically, like, hey, that's his portion. Obviously there's no action tonight. So I think the first thing we'll do is why don't we all the city should get a first view with Henry. Review the plans tomorrow and see if what if they're a real set of plans. You know about them yet? Yeah. You do. Who's your plumber? Ron Denny, Denny's plumbing. Who's your electrician? Sioux City Electric came out and they wanted to do the project, so they've already gone through all of it. Ron Denny's gone through all of it. I actually sent them the plans when I got them on Wednesday and said, hey, take a look at these, make sure you feel good about it. So you haven't got the hard bids or anything, so you don't know if I did, I did. You have hard bids, you have a hard, hard budget you can present to the city. I did that in order to submit it originally. So when we brought it to council in August, it had their pricing in there. So I met them on site. We went through it. I told them exactly what we were going to do. We had already had the demo done at the time. They gave me an estimate. We plugged that into our estimate. We wrote a separate estimate through a software called Xactimate that nailed down all of the fine finish items, but obviously all of your mechanical, electrical, plumbing, the sprinkler system, that all was done through a

trade. So was that done last August or was it done recently? It was done. I want you to be blindsided by having bids that were done. Good question. And that's why I discussed with them on Wednesday when I got the plans, I did reach back out and I said, hey, just to confirm, here are the plans. I want to make sure that nothing has changed. In our discussion on when we looked at the property. So if you guys can take a look at it and make sure we're still good to go. Were these the same subs back in August that gave you the correct? Yes. So I just reached back out to the guys who wanted to do the project and sent them the plans. Let me ask you this. It just seems like when the city is ready to finally throw in the towel and say, we're done. Yep. It's not just with you. Other properties that we have given years and years and stays and so many chances. Then when it comes down to that's it, the wrecking ball is coming. That's when we see people show up for sure. And why? Just a minute. Sorry. You came last August? Asked the city. Stop! Pump the brakes. A wheel hasn't turned since then. Why is it at the last minute? Why haven't you been working on it from August until now? I just I mean, what's the simple explanation for that? I apologize if I didn't communicate that effectively, but there was things happening the entire time. Like what? I never saw anybody on site. Nothing's been cleaned up. Nothing's. It's still the on site before. Many times I've been in communication with the city many times. This is absolutely not the first time I had three different. I met ML, ML architects out there. They went through the entire property. It takes time for them to draw something up and back then you told us six no, no, no, nine months. But at the time here we're eight months. It's not done. Now you're telling us again it's going to be 6 to 9

months. Are we going to be visiting you again? I'm just. I'm just protecting what's going on in the city, I really am. It's not against you. It's not against the project. I love housing, I just to but to answer that question, I never we never said it would be 6 to 9 months. It was I don't know where that came from, but I, I did not give a 6 to 9 month time frame in August when we spoke in August. When we spoke, you did have 90 days to begin the construction. You did have 90 days. That's what we gave. You know, Bob, that. No, that is true, because that's how we do them. I, I sit here long enough for sure. I've had 14 years of this particular project in about three different owners, all of which have stood there and made these promises. I would be. At the time when we did it and we brought it to City Council, Daryl asked me, he said, hey, no need to come. So I actually didn't come to the city Council meeting that day because he asked me. He said I didn't have to. He presented it. I got the 90 day stay, but when I got what you got was 90 day stay. Correct. But here you are eight months later. But Bob, it's not fair to neighbors that live in that neighborhood. It's not fair in any neighborhood where this happens, we let them go too long. That is correct, but never let them go. Eight months after the 90 days to at least begin some construction. This is going on ten years though, mayor. Right? This thing's been going on since I got reelected. Right. And three different owners. And I guess to to Leah's point, you know, I hadn't heard I've been extensively looking at this and it seems like he put up the $100,000 and nobody else has put up, you know, that type of cash. So, you know, and I would agree that, you know, for whatever reason, you didn't get it started right away. But right now we're saying, hey, we

need to know what that definite timeline is and what that looks like. You know, Leah and I talked about, hey, you know, we can't push this thing out, you know, too long, but can you give me your word that this is going to go? I just don't want to see one person punished for the the sins of, you know, ten years ago. That's what I'm asking for. We're not trying to punish him, but he gave us his word in August, I but I signed the paper and he put the bond down. That was his word, and that was proof of his word. And here we are again. But Julie, to be to be. When I got that contract at the city, I told them, you can't get this done in in 90 days. Getting blueprints started. Nobody expected you to. But I can't get started without blueprints. They won't let me. I asked, I said, hey, there's some things on the outside that I can do. I can get the roof done, which isn't structural at this point. It's all empty. I can start doing any of the stuff on the brick on the outside. I, I asked and I was told no, so without blueprints I can do nothing on the property and I can't get blueprints in 90 days on an entire project that has to be renovated. If it was a new build, sure, they can crank those out. Pretty simple. It's it's not as difficult, but I communicated that. Who did the plans? It's a it's a firm out of New York. Yes. I think something that they sent showed one extra unit on the rendering then. So really, so were they really. Marty said, Marty, I mean, I'm sorry Marty. Daryl said that in the meeting, but that's just not the case. No, no, it's not the case that the plans that I. I said, hey, just to just to show you that we are moving this thing, I have the elevation portion done. I'd be happy to send it to you. And I did. And then he came up here and he's like, I don't know who did this because it doesn't even have the right amount of openings. And there's 14 units and there's 14 openings. I

don't understand why, like how many? I thought he was talking about the facade. He's average. Even even then the windows were all correct. I went back through because I watched the council meeting. So I saw that and I'm like, I, I reviewed it. If I missed it, I apologize. And so I went back through and it's just not the case. So it was kind of frustrating. How many square feet are these units? Each unit is roughly just under 700ft, two bedroom, one bath. So you're 100 bucks a foot is all. Yeah. So part of that project is that our our agreement, which really is irrelevant, but is that my guys would do the project at our costs, not at a normal construction cost. So we can bring that cost down quite a bit. I guess we'll review it and see. Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Any other citizens to be heard? Okay. And we'll go to you Jill. I believe warming shelter operation. Mila had no idea she was going to be put on the spot. She sent a PDF about the property. No, no, that doesn't have any reflection on her. Good job. Yes, definitely. And then you can run. I'll just introduce you real quick. Jill, watershed neighborhood services manager. The last time we got an update from the warming shelter was about six months ago in October, so definitely thought it was timely to invite Shayla back and give a quick overview. So thank you, Shayla More

Executive Director. Do you need any additional information for the record before I start? Okay. Thank you. So as Jill said, my name is Shayla More. I serve as the executive director of the Warming Shelter. I was able to give a presentation a while back prior to the new council members joining, and just wanted to say thank you for allowing me back to provide those updates to you folks as well. All right. So I'm going to keep this presentation a little bit more brief than my initial presentation some time ago and just focus on the main points. But I do welcome any questions once I wrap things up, I'm glad to answer any questions or provide any clarifications necessary. So who, who we are, who is the warming shelter? We are the sole low barrier shelter here in Sioux City. What that means is we have minimal barriers to entry. We do not have a specific criteria that folks have to meet, other than they have to be safe in order to access our services. We serve everyone, regardless of their background or circumstances. And like I said, safety is our biggest criteria. So as long as they're willing to be safe, not compromise their own safety or the safety of those around them, they are able to stay with us. Another big aspect of the services that we provide are that we are trauma informed. Many of the folks, as I'm sure most of you can guess, have significant trauma. And so the way that we provide our services reflects our understanding of that trauma and just takes that into account in the way that we provide our services. Lastly, I

just wanted to point out that we do serve both men, women and children. We have four family rooms currently that are able to serve more than one family each, and they have been full for the past two years. So what is our mission? Our mission looks different and I was able to share some of the changes with you folks about six months ago. But our mission does look different than it has in previous years. In previous years, our main focus was saving lives, and I'd say that we did a pretty good job of that. We were pretty limited resource wise, and so there wasn't a whole lot more that we could be doing. However, when we faced closure in 2024, we took a good look at what our operations looked like and what needed to happen in order to gain the support of the community, and in order for us to be a good partner to law enforcement, other agencies that we work with and most importantly to our clients. So our mission has evolved from saving lives to saving lives, restoring hope, and rising up alongside the folks that we serve. We do this by first and foremost, meeting their basic needs, ensuring that they have the things that they need each and every day to thrive that shelter, food, water, the things that you and I have usually ease of access to. These folks, unfortunately, have not had that ease of access to these things. And so we work really hard to make sure that they have the things that they need to be able to have foundations built and move forward towards a sustainable, permanent housing situation. We

prioritize meeting their physiological needs, safety needs. As I mentioned before, we address psychological needs, social connection needs. We are working really hard to get them to a place where they have positive support network that can help them, even after they're no longer staying with us anymore. Kayla, who's providing the services. When you describe trying to help address their needs. Yeah, emotional or otherwise. Yes. Staff members. So both staff members, volunteers, partner agencies, we have partner agencies coming to our organization on a daily basis throughout the Monday through Friday workweek. They're providing things like mental health therapy, housing resources, employment assistance, things of that nature, any, any, I guess, barrier that we can bridge that gap on. We are working with partner agencies to connect our folks with these agencies as well as we are training our own on site staff in that trauma informed care and in community resources, and kind of where to guide folks who are needing that extra help. Thank you. That was a great question. All right. Next. So what services do we provide? I kind of mentioned before anything that you or I could need on a daily basis, you can pretty much count count on the fact that we're providing those things. We provide showers, laundry, hygiene items, clothing items, something a lot of folks don't think of is secure. Vital document storage. One of the barriers that we most commonly see is that folks lose their vital documents, and that prevents them from moving forward, and it prevents them

from getting assistance of any kind. And so we are very intentional on a helping them get those documents if they do not have them, and then B, encouraging them to store them with us so that they do not lose them again. We recently launched our mentorship program, which is meant to equip our folks with positive support networks. One of the things that we have become to know and understand is that one of the biggest gaps is that people who stay with us, whether they get housed or whether they're with us for a prolonged period of time, they do not have positive support networks. And so that is a gap that we are working really hard to fill. And that would be offered by both in-house employees and our volunteers from the community. Other services that we provide include, obviously, the partner agencies and meeting with them on site. We have more recently, in the past four months since our provider office was constructed, we've been able to host those agencies on site as a means of eliminating another barrier. Transportation, as we all know, is a barrier that many of our folks face. Excuse me. So for those of you who are not aware of the way that we provide our services, it was recently and when I say recently in the past year adjusted, we do still serve the folks that we've always served, which is the highest risk folks who might be service resistant,

but we are also serving very, very high number of folks who are really trying to improve their situation. And those folks typically would fall under our tier two or our three tier three programing. This program was created with the intention of really helping folks be engaged, know what services and resources are available to them, and have the desire to move forward. Over the past year, we have been able to see that these programs are working quite well. The numbers that are listed up there are as recent as today. About 5 to 10% of our clients do fall under that higher risk. They might be service resistant, they might be in active addiction, but the vast majority are falling under our tier two and tier three programing, which means that they are sober, which means that they are engaged in programs that are meant to help their specific, unique situation, and that they're actively working on their housing plan. One of the biggest components of this, and something that we've monitored quite closely over the course of this past year, is we had a strong desire to be a better partner to our community members, and we monitor the number of requests for first responder assistance. And from January of last year till March of this year, we have had a 78% drop in the number of calls for first responder assistance. Those numbers are provided by the Sioux City Police Department, and we've just monitored, and they've slowly just went down. So we're really quite proud of that. We're proud of our clients for making

such great progress and intentionally working on bettering their situations. And we are just so, so glad and overjoyed that we have partner agencies that are desiring to work with us, work with our clients that are willing to come on site and offer those services. It has been a great experience. Yes. Just real quick with looking at this slide I see on that second tier, you have first come, first serve, but then on your third tier seniority for services, how long does a person stay or what. Is there a time frame? What constitutes seniority? Yeah. So our tier three program requires a couple of different things. It requires 30 days of sobriety, of following our rules, not having any safety violations or restrictions for unsafe behavior. Could you define the safety? You've mentioned that a few times. Yeah. So safety, I would define that as both physical and mental safety. So you're not compromising the safety and well-being of those around you, nor are you compromising that of yourself. Safe safety, starting a squabble or something like that. I'm sorry, can you repeat that? Like starting a squabble or what? Not understanding. I mean, any, anything that you can think of that would compromise safety. So if someone's bringing contraband into our facility, that's compromising safety. If someone is, you know, causing a squabble, like you said, that is compromising safety. Any, anything really. It can be looked at from so many different standpoints. But I look at safety as our number one priority above all else with any of our operations. Does that answer your question? Hopefully. Kind of. Maybe. Okay. Well continue. Okay. Yes. So

like I said that that 30 day sobriety, not having any safety concerns and role modeling positive behavior, we are very big on the peer support aspect of this. So we want our folks on tier one who might be struggling to see their, their peers, that they might have, you know, a had run the streets with in the past doing well and willing to, you know, take the steps necessary to move forward and gain stable living situations. Those are the main things we also go over before transitioning them to tier three. We go over their housing plan, make sure that that is intentional, make sure that they are being proactive with it, that they know their next steps. And then once those steps are complete, what steps are being taken next? They are very intentional and they are taking that control of their own situation. And so they are our role models and they are the ones that are doing, doing really well. With regard to tier two, they have to have ten days of sobriety and no rule violations, no safety violations, and they have to be willing to dedicate a housing plan. And what those steps are, they also must go down to coordinated entry and complete an intake because as we know, they're kind of the home base for all of the resources, whether it be for, you know, permanent supportive housing or, you know what, whatever else, there's so many services. I, I could spend all day going over them, but they are the main point coordinated entry is that through the city, that's through that's, that's. Jill. Yes. That's through neighborhood services. And they have, I believe it's biweekly right now meetings where all of

the providers who are referring to coordinated entry come together. If there's openings with certain organizations for, let's say, permanent supportive housing, those are talked about. And then we're able to advocate for our clients that they be considered for those services. And then our tier one clients, those are our highest risk. Those are ones that might not be willing to engage in services. We're meeting them where they're at, but we are offering support on a On a far more structured scale, they are only able to receive services overnight. So they're able to come in, they're able to get a good night's sleep, but they have to leave first thing in the morning. And they are not. They're completely separate from our tier twos and threes as a means of them. And the hard work that they're putting into improving their situation. Okay. So like I said, I wanted to keep it brief, but I do welcome any questions. If you think of something later, these are ways that you guys can stay connected to us. But I am glad to answer any questions at this time. So when you look at your tier one two, tier two, and tier three seems as if there's a lot of overlap between positively with other programs. Hope Street Gospel Mission Soup Kitchen. How. How do you manage the relationship you have with, for instance, the Sudan Coalition for the homeless? We participate actively and we offer insight and input when it's asked for. But we. We are intentional about the way that we're participating. We have staff members that are on the board of the Coalition to End

Homelessness. Though I do not serve as a board member anymore, I do still attend those meetings and just make sure that we are being the best partner that we can be. Keeping the other agencies up to speed on what we're doing and asking them to come in and see what we're doing so that they can have a better understanding of the work that our clients are putting into gaining that stable living situation. Sheila, how are you? Good. So first, I appreciate you reaching out. And just for clarity or for transparency, we met and had a very nice hour meeting. Yeah, it was great. And I think the best thing the warming shelters got going is you for them as you air quality, quality person. And I appreciate what you're doing and I respect your mission. I know you got a lot of my fellow Catholics that are deeply, not only emotionally invested in this, but financially invested in this. But, you know, I told you this. I said there's going to be some I'm going to say to you that we haven't talked about before. The question I get a couple of questions I have is, you know, when we when this new council sat, there was three main issues that really seem to be the talking points when people talk to us. The first one was the the temperature of the business community. And I think we've addressed that. And we're on our way of healing as a city from a business community, how we treat our developers. Second was. The last one, obviously was the homeless, you know, and that's that's kind of the gorilla in the room. And we listen to this. It's great. And I think you've made some great adjustments. But the the reality of what's going on, what, what, what the facility helps facilitate within the city has consequences, unintended consequences. So the first thing I want to ask is we talked about, you know, what is the zombie walk? Are you asking me? Yeah. So that actually was a new term to me when we met.

And my understanding of what that is, is our folks who are homeless going down, I guess the trail, if you will, that they take between the warming shelter and whether it be gospel mission for meals or soup kitchen. Yeah. Is that that's basically what that that's kind of when you talk to people, it's the, it's in the mornings when, when the shelter clears out and they make the journey down to the food source or wherever they're down there. And that's where a lot of, some of the, the issues occur with if they've got to use the restroom or if they're just in a bad situation, or they're coming off what they did the night before, a lot of things don't. A lot of good things don't happen on that, that, that walk right through all the way through downtown, across town. And that's a real issue. And it's a real issue to the point where it's affecting an exodus. It's creating an exodus of long term businesses that are along that trail. And not one of us has not received a phone call that says, something's got to change, it's got to change. And right, wrong or different. You ever heard of the drug trail? We talked about that. What's the drug trail? So I actually assumed it was the same thing as the zombie. Yeah, well, the drug trail is at the end of the day when they get their drugs, when the people, some of the people that need their drugs, they go down and they basically either it's, it's midday or it's late day and they got a parade right through hell and high school, right through their campus. That's the cut through down to the docks where they head down there. And then that's, that's what's been labeled as the drug trail. It's that triangle, that cycle of, of traffic, of, of people that are in need. And I think that for the most part, like you said, you've identified the tier twos and two threes. And I think between that and the Heart Coalition, I think they've done a good job of identifying people that need the help. But there's just a reality of that of of people that that don't want help. So I guess I look at it as do people in tier one when they come into the facility. Are they allowed to come in intoxicated or on drugs and you isolate them,

walk us through again, it's a take all because I asked you what the difference between you and the mission was. Yeah. And that was one of the main things that stuck out the mission, served the community well for, for since the 70s. But walk us through the tier ones. What's allowed in your facility? So tier ones are allowed in under the influence, as long as they are able to maintain that safety piece, if they are having any behaviors that would make anyone around them feel unsafe, or if they're behaviors, having used drugs or alcohol is causing an unsafe situation for themselves. I'll give an example. If they're drinking to the point of, you know, having seizures and that kind of thing, we're not allowing them in when they're under the influence. If that concerns identified, we do. We take steps in order to make sure that we are not allowing those people in. When they come in, they are breathalyzed we do do euas obviously that cost money. So if if someone is straightforward with us and says, I'm not going to pass, it would just be an automatic fail. We we pat them down when they come in our facility. They are not able to enter if they have any contraband. So that's weapons, that's drugs, paraphernalia, that's alcohol, anything of that nature. And they have to come in and basically get their mat and go to sleep if they're causing any. Uproar, if you will. They aren't allowed to stay with us. And, you know, you asked and I, I'd like to share, I guess the main difference between us and the gospel mission and the gospel mission is incredible. They have a great program and they have a purpose in our community. But the gospel mission where where we kind of fill the gaps is if you don't have identification, you

wouldn't be accepted at the gospel mission. There's certain criteria that they have that many of our clients would not be able to meet. And so, so where do they go? They have to have somewhere to go to, you know, gain access to those vital documents, do those types of things. And that's where we come into play. Otherwise, you know, it could be -30 out. And if they don't check a box then they're on the streets. That's the biggest difference between us and the gospel mission. We work closely with them. I absolutely appreciate their services. But we do offer different services both well necessary. And let me ask you. I mean, because again, I'm not I'm not knocking the mission. I'm just saying, like we talked about when we were together, I just said at some point has the warming shelter from even just a stereotype or from a public opinion or from the existing businesses? Has it does it need a change of venue and need a change of just rebrand itself? If it means drawing it closer to its food source, if it means it's more in a container where they can receive more services. Because when I when I first sat in the seat as they came up and it was everything from and I was, I was actually surprised at the answers when I asked the question of, you know, is the warming shelter, in your opinion good for society or bad for Sioux City downtown? Is it a hindrance? Is it a nuisance? And everywhere, from the police department to downtown partners, economic development, the realtors, everybody kind of said the same thing. And it's a it's a tough love thing, but it's like they're just it's just it's just not, it's not it's not a benefit for us in downtown Sioux City. So my question to you is, what do we do? What does the community do? Well, and you and I, you know, kind of passed back and forth some different ideas. We and when I say we, I mean our board of directors and myself do have plans for some strategic planning and just kind of looking, you know, past the one

year, three year mark to see what that looks like. You had mentioned, have you explored other, you know, whether it be locations, facilities, what have you? And my question, I, you know, if we ever were to do that, we would absolutely make sure that all of the services were on site so there wouldn't be a zombie walk, if you will. But where, where does that work? You know, in the community? Is there is there a certain place that makes sense? And if if there is, you know, I would love to, to understand and know what what your thoughts are on that as, as a council, like I said, we want to be a good partner to the other organizations in our community. But we got to we have to kind of have some back and forth and figure out what that looks like. And I think that a lot of that will take place during our strategic planning. This past year has been mainly focused on, you know, revamping those operations so that we have a starting point for how we are able to be a good partner, because without that, we wouldn't be here. So do you think do you think the the tier one clients that come in are, is a high percentage of those on something drunk on drugs. They're the people that don't. There is is this the people that don't want the help? I would say it's a good mixture of folks with significant mental health issues that then end up in more of a dual diagnosis type situation where they're trying to self-medicate and are end up on some type of drug or alcohol to self-medicate is, is. And again, I'll put this on Ryan back there in the police department at some point as part of the heart is, at what point do we start taking action on people that are, that are under the influence instead of just enabling them to the next day, the next trail, the next move?

I'm just looking for solutions like everybody else. Absolutely. And it's, it's not a pleasant conversation, but I don't know if the warming shelter has a place where it is. Anyways, it worn out its welcome from the, from the, the people that are moving out of downtown and the feedback we're getting from the city, it's hard to fill places when they don't want to move in because of, of that. Right. And, you know, I do think that regardless of if the warming shelter is in its present location or not, we do serve the community in a poverty proven or, excuse me, poverty prone area of the city where, you know, there's these lower income apartments and housing where there is there's things going on. And I think it gets attributed to the warming shelter. But I don't believe that we are the main source of that. I don't and I think I shared this with you. I don't think that if we were to change our location, I believe that those things would still be taking place. So, Captain Ryan, captain, what do you what would you know if that's the right question for you or. Marty, when you look at a property, what point do you guys, as at the police, start calling it a nuisance? Captain Sioux City PD. Nicole, you can you can weigh in on this, too. We'll base that on frequency of calls, the same type of calls over and over, criminal elements, repeated criminal activity over and over and over. That would generate a we'd call it a specified crime property. It's a code we've used in the past. When we have a location that ends up. We had, for example, like the, the after sets or these after hours nightclubs, that ended up being just a haven for activity like the bring your own beer or bring your own beverage kind of places. So what did you do to those kind of places? Yeah, we just document, document, document the incidents. And then ultimately we'd work with City Legal to get them as a specified crime property. The

owner gets notified, they get on, they get on the clock, so to speak. And I don't know exactly what the consequence ends up being, but they get some consequence from our legal department. Well, after hours clubs, we have an ordinance that specifically addresses that, and we haven't had to use it in recent years, I don't think, because most of the problems were cleaned up. So was there even if they're cleaned up, they I mean, there's still those after hours sets that that that happen. They just understand that if there's a continuous, you know, of calls or whatever, then that's the, the inevitable situation. But I think in this situation, what you're asking, what becomes a nuisance by definition, not by not by morals, just by definition is all I'm saying. Go ahead. The challenging part on this whole deal is obviously the one saying, I would say that would really sum up. The challenge of this deal is intention versus impact. The the intention. There's a lot of well-intentioned people, and I for sure being with the heart program and overseeing this for the last couple of weeks and looking at it, some things are coming very evident to me. One of them is that short term, there's transportation needs. Heart team is doing a great job, and a lot of the initial success that we're seeing is getting people who want services and who are seeking services connected and matched up. That's one of the immediate successes that they're really doing well. Whereas before we'd have an officer that would get set to remove subject, the officer didn't really know what to do or how to refer it. Now they have that expertise to say, call this person, call this person, call this person. And, and that's really been the successful for what remains and will always be challenging is what is really, really needed. And this is what I'm getting from talking to different providers is long term mental health, long term drug

treatment. And without those two, everything really becomes a short term attempt at a bigger 24 over seven problem. The one part that's tough is when we have people as a police captain. I've heard reports of different agencies bringing people from outside Sioux City and dropping them off. I've heard of other law enforcement agencies doing that. That lends to our workload. Unfortunately, I would. Is there a tolerance for allowing drug use in the homeless? Quite understand. The question is, is there is there an allowance? Is there is there is there a a little bit of just tolerance by the PD with with some of the homeless that they're just they're just on drugs? Well, I would say, you know, the other side of, of homelessness not being a crime. The, the other side of that coin is homelessness is not an excuse for breaking the law, nor is being wealthy an excuse for breaking the law. So we have to have consequences for criminal behavior. So and that that will fall solely and uniquely upon law enforcement. There is no other agency that that does citations, arrests, those kind of things. The security piece also squarely ours. If someone's afraid to deal with somebody because they're violent. Yeah. All right. So what I'd like to see Nicole, is I'd like Mike, I'd like to see a memo put together on give us a definition on what is, is, is a nuisance when it comes to a facility or I just like the presentation on that on. And what can we do about it? And is there any action that this council could take to update the nuisance laws or what? You know, you know where I'm going with this. Sure. And we have two distinct ordinance sections. We have a nuisance section and we have a specified crime property section. There is some overlap between the two, but examples of nuisance are

fairly. I'd like to have a memo that says, how can I move. How can the city. What what what authority does the city have to do to declare a nuisance and what can be done once it's declared? That's what I'd like to see presented. I'll leave it at that. And thank you guys. I do appreciate that. Everything. Good presentation. Can I just have one quick follow up, Shayla? Certainly. Let's pivot a little bit. And maybe this is more of a question for Joe and the board necessarily than from you. But I'm curious because there are really two schools of thought when you look at the neighborhood that you're in and this gets back to Lehigh's property, but you look at the community, the county, the community health, and they've got property on the east side and on the west side, you've got the Masonic Temple to your south, right? I know that Ben has purchased property in that vicinity, and he's doing a wonderful job in our community. Very community minded, very community oriented to to convert properties. Is this where you and your board want to be? Is it where you feel you need to be in order to serve those that need your services? And it goes back to why I asked the question about how you interact and relate with the gospel mission and the soup kitchen, and understanding how you're managing the services that you provide. Is this where you want to be? Is it where you think you are able to provide the most service to the most needy? Sure. So I, a couple different things come into play when you ask that. First thing I will kind of follow up on is the comment about transportation being a huge barrier. If we were to ever consider looking at another location, that would be the first and most important, in my opinion, thing that we would need to look at the majority of the services that folks that are accessing the warming

shelter are utilizing are those within, you know, a ten block radius. And because we don't offer that transportation piece on a regular basis, we count on them being able to walk to those places. So like I said, it would have to be something that we look at very closely if we were to move from the location in which we're currently at cost wise, things like that. There's always money out there, but it most importantly, it is so vital that we get these folks access to the services that they need. And that means having the ability to get them there. And this was something that Bertrand and I spoke about is the transportation need. So yes, as of right now, it it makes sense. But the best part about that conversation is only when I'm done. But at what detriment to the city does. Does the city have to provide access to. So I agree with. The transportation is there, but it's. Yes, it's the most important thing to get them their services. But what's the byproduct? Is it by running people out of downtown? So I agree with you that if a new facility with a cafeteria, like we talked about or something where that they're more, it's more in-house or contained versus it the nuisance part of it, which is emptying out parts of Sioux City. So that. Right, the transportation is huge. Yeah. And, and I do want to be very clear that the, the folks that are visible and the folks that are causing issues is I'm going to put it in that term. Those are typically not folks that we're even serving. When Hart began, there were some numbers that were ran looking at who these problem individuals are. And I want to say that less than ten of

almost 70 were attributed to even having been at the shelter in the past three months. So a lot of the visible homelessness that you're seeing or what appears to be visible, homelessness, panhandling, things of that nature, those aren't our folks, right? And so in my opinion, they're going to be there either way. And I appreciate you saying that, Shayla, because that's one of the things that we've touched on. And I know that we're going to probably get in the weeds of the whole nuisance thing, but this is a question for captain. You know, when it comes to say a nuisance, I mean, if I'm if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. But, you know, that would derive from a call, right? I mean, it's just not that you're walking through and you say, oh, that person's creating a nuisance or, or what that may look like. Right. And sorry. And just to clarify, the nuisance ordinances that we have are mainly related to property and structures. So that would be coming out of a premises. That's what we traditionally look for under our ordinances, right? Typically, a lot of the officer work would be number one, reactive. If they receive a phone call, complaint from a business or someone calls in, etc. that they'd be in response to that, for example, and then and then the other would be self-initiated. If the officer sees something proactive, maybe someone's walking down the street with an open container, clearly drinking, an officer gets out with that person. That would be a self-initiated example. Just just to just to highlight the resource deal. What happened? We had a shooting out in Morningside a couple days ago. That was a bench clear for the entire the entire uniform division. They all went. We had suspect in custody in 15 minutes, but at the exact same time, I was fielding a call about a group of people that were congregating at the MLK. So again, it was just it was a competition for resources. Do I have people go get the shooter or do I have people at the MLK? And I understand not everything is a crime. There are people that are not breaking the crime.

They're not drinking in public. They're they're literally just standing around or hanging around. But I would be I would not be telling the truth if I said there are some people who that is off putting to them or scary to them, or make them feel insecure for whatever reason, maybe for a very various reasons. And as a uniform captain, I've pledged, I've sent my people. I said, hey, we will go to those if we just need to hang out and be there so people can feel secure. If that indeed is the call or the complaint that we're responding to will go and be there now, we won't be able to take law enforcement action because it's not crime, but we will be there. And Shayla, just a real quick question. You know, we talk about this transportation thing, you know, do you ever have anyone that that maybe isn't from Sioux City, you know, and they don't want to go back to where they are? Not very frequently if they have roots somewhere, if they have, you know, a town that they grew up in, one of the first things we ask when they come to us is where, where they're from. And that's part of our intake process. And if they say I'm from, you know, Southak Dota somewhere, and we ask them,o d you want to go back? Do you have support there so that you would not have to be staying in a homeless shelter? And immediately if their answer is yes, which the majority of the time it is,s i we get in touch with neighborhood servicesnd a we get them connected with them to get b aus ticket back. Now, I won't sayha tt there aren't small towns in, you know, Lawton or Melville Hintonhe wre folks don't have access to any kind ofom heless shelter and are required toom ce to, obviously, Sioux City as the closestit cy nearby and access our services.ut B typically folks want to go back to where theyav he roots and ties. And that's good tono kw. I just I

just want to know, what would you dof isomebody said, well, I'm from here, but I don't want too gback. If somebody said that they don't want to go back, we would ask them, okay, what do you want to do? Weir fst figure out what what they're wanting to do and if wean c support them in doing that. But we very muchnc eourage for that to be a forward progression plan.an C I quickly go back to theui nsance thing? So I just want toei rterate one of our biggestnt ientions this past year, being a good partner, I my dad is a Siouxy Cit Police Department officer, and sot tha is important to me.re The has been a lot of emphasis on how we can be b theest partner possible to them. And I,e likI said before, I am so very proud that we have decreased the number of calls for first responderss aistance in the amount thate whave, because 78% is a lot.o I dwant to also mention that if we look at thosebe numrs, we do still serve a very sick, chronically illul popation of folks. And so it isy ver normal for us to have medicalls cal on a semi-regular basis with us servingiv indiduals who are experiencing chronicne illsses. But we do train our staff in how to identify what's appropriate and whether or not that requiresst fir responder assistance. And they've done an incredible job of being able to identify that andre decase the the number of times thatre we' asking for first responders to come out, whether that E beMS, law enforcement, what have you. It's pretty rare that we have law enforcement coming f outor anythingat reled to safety or folks causing a ruckus, or I

can'tem rember the word that Julie used earlier, but it's prettye. rar Typically, those calls for first responder are medical a squabble. I'm going to write that down. o Anyther questions that I can answer? It's been ad goo presentation. Good discussion. Thank you very much. Thank you.as One lt point. I o willne last point. I would like to verify the decrease inca lls. So that is true. Say that again. I would verify herde crease in police calls to the shelter that has significantlydr opped or improved.ta Capin. Great.c Publi Worksto Direcr. The Public Works team has been taskedoo to lk at the sister city rates.is This what the presentation will be about. Soit 's open dialog. Ask questions as we go.e We w put together three differentri scenaos for the sister city rate increase,th e first ones to raise 500,000, the second00 750,0 and the last $1 million and a one time rate increase to the sister cities.Sc enario oneou, it wld require about a 1 17 or3.7% increase to raise00 500,0. One key factor tobe rememr is we have to give them a six n monthotice before we can raise the rates, andSouth Sioux City has indicad they will be goingf off o our sewer system in February. SoSouth Sioux City would be

billed. If we pass this by the end of next month, weld can bui them for four months time.en Scario two0 $750,00 requires.5 20% increase.o Scenari three is $1 million wouldre requi 27.20nc 7.4% irease. This ise th conclusion. Like I said, we need to give them a six monthti noce. Sioux City will only. South Sioux City will onlype exrience a four month increase before they go. offline This would requireil a counc vote toe increasthese rates, and at that time, the six month notice would begin.tu Good sff. Yeah, exactly. We asked for their direction from council to bringng somethi back. So does this require a motion at thispoint? Nicole, I think we n today give direction. Provide direction. You could provide direction. I could bring all threeos scenari. You could guys could vote on that if you wantjust one of them. I could g that as an RCA.e I'd likyou to bring back all three. Okay. For furtherio discussn. And then we'll focus onla particur rate increase two week,ks two wee, two weeks. Sounds good. Bring it back next'm week. I not here next week and I want to bark.an Thks. Tom. Hamilton Boulevard review. Avenue intersection. Yeah. By the end of. I have to leave in a little bit. Butme let understand this. I want to make sure Id understan for a grantwe which shod the

roundabout. h Didn'tave a stoplight as a anotherny other option. It was your applied for thehe grant. T roundabout. Correct. So if youha accept tt grant then you have to build the roundabout. Weth actually e Council will have to accept that. Grantst. My underanding is around it. You have to thecity has to accept it wia roundabout. S Correct.o if we don't accept thet, roundabou then what you're going to tell us is the city is on the hook for this whole darn intersection, because you't didn give us two options when you applied for the grant. Wedn coul't apply for the second for an intersection. Well, we could have,ul but it wod have. It wouldn't have met the benefit cost analysis. That'svery interesting. So whae going to do is we're going to build a roundabout because we're goinghe to tell t citizens, you either go for this roundabout to get a grant, or you're on the hook for 5 or $7 million of city money if you want stoplights. That'sop our tions today. d Yeah. Youid this to us out onil Singing Hls Boulevard. But it'ss just it' I just don't understand the logic ofo why we d these things because you're, you're basically going to say, well, we don't have the money to build'r this, so wee going to have to do it with a roundabout. Well, h we actuallyave the money budgeted for a full on the whole reconstruction, whether we get this grantt. or noy With a ver large tip project, h we don'tave general Vonr dollars o the Tiff is very small on thison one. Come Gordon, that's why it's1. 1.5, 5 million. i And Gordon,s it? Where do we get all the money?ge

We budted?. From waterSewer because we're replacing water,in replacg the sewer. Some storm improvementsre we're constructing from the culc de sa all the way over to Myrtle. It's not just the intersection.r And the was not as much Tiff as we'd hoped.r Is it faitond say, uerstanding that we've applied for a grant? If we ared awarde the grant and accept it, youme would recomnd not excuse me, we would be g required too through the roundabout. Correct. Ifot we elect n to take the funds,in we would fance theec interstion on our own. But thatf your belie is that the roundaboutig is as desned, safernt than the iersection that you've described. Correct.Is that a fair statemel Typica rates are about engineering. New phase. It's like one way streets you weren't around. I was in 1962 and everybody saidgo they're ing to be the greatest thing ever. Now we're trying to figure out r a way to getid of all those one way streets. So l it's theatest engineer's new andl, improved dea and it'll be here u for a whilentil we find out they don't work quite likeug we thoht they will. And then we'll say, why do we buildbo a roundaut? That's what we do here. And that's what engineers do.e I've been her since in this job, since 1986. Since1986. I've said,ne o of these medians out of Hamiltonea Boulevard, tr them out and get rid of them because they don't dolo anything but ok terrible. After the snowplow gets done, we tear one out from Stone Park Boulevard North.ha Guess wt the traffic had? We haven't seen head on collisions, so itr doesn't mattewhat you want to tell me today about. It's whatever the engineer

believes at this particular point in time, that's thegreatest thing that r be built. Sooa I'm off my spbox now and got to go to work. So. go aheadGordon, thank you for your time.to Okay, I need say, anythingbut if you're leaving and not, acting mayorthe first black man to ever fill that chair, I'm. proud to sayAnd I'm glad I appointed you. Is that whatt we're. Is tha how we move forward? Because weve don't ha a mayor, right. So we also don't have a mayor pro tem.at Yeah, th's what I mean. Sola congratutions. Is it justre me or a these the three new elected ones that are the ones thatd are not afraito work a little late? So. Baylor, I don't know if it's you that want to set a new timeline. Maybe,ts maybe Steve wan to share Baylor Gordon. You know, Iou think this is r opportunity to levelta set both expection andec understanding bause there is a significant amount ofan misunderstding in the community that once we applied for the5 grant of $3.million, we hada committed to roundabout. We have not committed to a roundabout. We have committed to applying for a grant, t and if we gethe proceeds from the grant, c then theouncil will evaluate whether we want toda do a rounbout or whether we want to do anha intersection. Tt's correct. We're not committed tob the roundout at all at this point,ot period. We've g no money invested into it t other thanhe study, and the study had to be done anyway for the intersection to see whatov what imprements it does need. And it does need improvementsregardless whethera roundabout orn, an intersectio a traditional intersection.di Sorry, trational. Mr. mayor, do you like roundabouts?ow I don't kn, right now. I'm just kidding.g I'm just tryinto get a temperature. I always like to hears what the mayor'got to say. I tend to follow the leadit

a little b, so that's good. We're still waiting for all the, informatio right. So I would like you tonk address, I thi the primary concern that I've heard is that peoplede do not unrstand how to drive arounds, roundabout and that the location of that particular roundabout will have an impact onat the rail line th runs just to thedd north. Can you aress both of those, either Baylorka . Yeah, oy. Or make sureno everybody kws that this iss Baylor. He'from our consultant,d j e o. He helpe put this program. Youto just ned know how old I feel right now because I've known Baylorru since he tly was a little boy a long time. That was a long time. Anyway, we did hire j e ofor one specific. Because o their expertise in roundabouts, they have a. One of theire designers has don what, over 100nc different Lioln, Nebraska areahe throughout t Midwest area total for all of them. Thankt you. Straigh down there. Yeah. So you asked how people can't handle don't know how to maneuver through them. One of the consistentt comments is tha people don'to understand how t maneuver in a roundabout.re That is corct. I mean, there's a lotav of people that he a lot of fear of them because they'reh not used to em. Even myself, when I first went through myne very first o, it was it was odd.us And you have to jt pay attention well in advance toknow where you'ref it's aab multi-lane roundout, if it's not a multi-lane, it's just w you have to knowhere you're going, which, which legin are you takg? For instance, our one wen have over in o oldt' Lakeport. Is a five legged

one. So you have four different choices once you enter or five. I guess if yowant to go back the way you came. So it's just a matter of educatingug and goig throh them. Actually,ac Marty in the bkground here, Marty Dougherty, he, him and I satdown, we watct videos on i and watched howgh to go throu a multi-lane one,nl and he was eightened about it after t he got to see howhey work and how you had to maneuverhe through them, and t impact of the railth line just o e north, the rail line. Well, the rail t lines, it's goingo be there no matter what, whether it's a traffic signalor a roundabous going to back up on the i north side oft as it does now, as it does now. Nothing's going to change that. We some people have suggested doing an overpass. We cannot afford an overpass. And even ifn' we coul, I dot think we have the space withoutse taking out all tho properties there. So we'ds have to bypasthem somehow. So it's justoc it's not a good lation for that. When do we find outt? about the gran We find out in June. Well, let's figure ith, ot then. Yea yeah.'r No, I think wee going to fix it tonight. No we're not. But let's see if we get the grant for thepresentation e so far, why we went to this route. And, and one thing that Gordon, you didn't really talk about it, but you talked about the safetye aspect of where w are. You know, now, you a know, as, as,s opposed to theou roundabout or, y know, yeah, I'm going to letth Baylor handle at one for because it's got alot to do wir the.iv Yeah. So with any gen intersection, there's a set ofwh conflict points ere vehicles have the chanceth to conflict wi one another. Soon for as

Hamilt and Travis sits today,li classic signazed intersection benefit of roundabouts 78%reduction ino like the primaryin example I can thk of in my head is unprotected left hande' turns. o thers a quick start going down in that area. Ifg you're travelin north on Hamilton coming from I-29, you're goingto need to mn tribute to aess the quick start. So for as portion, there' going to be the flashing yellow. And then you have southbound Hamilton coming atou 35mph. And that's yr severe accident, right? Your T-Bone, your right angle collision. So you don't get that with thech roundabout. The ances of a severey crash are greatl reduced. And then there's propertyll damage only coisions. So these are your rear end side swipes. Minor in nature. Roundabouts usuallyhave a 20% d accidents. I wou say the biggest factor in that as t you're enteringhe roundabout, you know they're designed that youph maneuver them at 25m. So that s speeds reduced. Ando everyone's just a little more I aware. And then think another benefit of a roundabout is t there's alwayshe expectation that it's yourgh chance to go, rit. So you have to remain attentiveas at all times. Where a signalized, you're not really paying attention. You're on ae red phase. You'ryou look up too late, you'reh traveling at 35mp and you rear end the. car ahead of you You know,st overal, the exiing safety, you can see the numbers over the 3 five year period,0 crashes. That's not extraordinarily high. That's a crash rate of 0.67. Your typicalrs signalized inteections 0.7 to 0.9.rs I know those numbe don't mean a ton to you. The biggest'r thing there is youe below that threshold. Now, the only things I'll caution you ithere's going to be another big user of thatea intersection in the nr future, right? And I'm not saying it's going tod. be a safety hazar It's just an

increase in traffic, right?Which increay crashes that you m have at that intersection. t The other commenthat is shared regularly is the truck traffic. You've got a quick star. It's o Bomgaars has a lotf trucks, but that's what that's where I'mn going with this. Gordo is withha Bomgaars located in tt area. They've got 100 trucks a n that area, I'mssuming. What'st' that? I believe is even more than that. Is it even moress thn that? I'm auming I know what they say about assuming, w but I assume thate visited withth Tori Wingert and oer representatives fromsu Bomgaars to make re they're comfortable with the proposede' design as well. Wve met withet Bomgaars, we've m with Schuster, which is theirpa main trucking comny. We met with that steelSt company, Summit eel, Summit Steel. We met with Kwik Star Quick h Star's planning onaving a truck stop. So we've met within all of them, includg horizon. You want to scroll to that slideli with that shows sp lane, s not necessarily thelip lane, but kind of the design t process tht goeshrough right there. Yep. Sola that's kind of how we y it out W right there. So that's aB 67. Your most commons tractor trailer. It' showinge how it maneuvers th roundabout because that left hand turn totr come from I29 onto i view isig going to be of the bgest concern. Right. And you'll notice the bright green lineson that e tracks. So you can s the inside wheel trackd going up on the re pavement. That's by design. That's called a truck apron. So thebo middle of the roundaut is like a three inch lip curb. Soin your standard six ch curve very high. That's a

three inchsi lip curve that's degned to have that t trailer drag on theruck apron. So itn. goes into our desig This is kind of just an exampleo of tools we use t try to mimic that. Now I'll be the first toadmit, youd on paper.op And then you get pele out there driving it. And that cany. be a different stor But you know, we do have thought process t when we design forractor trailers. Thank you. Thank you Steve. In June. SteveNelson My problem with thiswhole thine this in my fle. People use this to get to West Fourth is that train. Mind you I understandt the safety now. We go 125 carsh. backed up to the nort People t coming from the south,he interstate, east and west. They're going to get. And the people coming from thean eat down by the Hume Society, they're going to clog that. n Roundabout. There'sobody moving now for 15 to 30 minutese as that train sits tre, because that truck now cannot got around that roundabout. I can't go to the left.th So now we've got anoer hundred cars backed up going toco the interstate. Here mes the northbound track of 100 cars.e How does that becom safe,he fast and efficient wn especially cars from the South trying to get through that intersection? I questioned that part about this roundaboutra even working normal tffic, I got it, I see t it, I can understandheir their numbers, but thatro railroad, it goes thugh there at least twice a 1 day and it's at least5 to 30 minutes each time it goes through. That is going to be a. And Gordon, c I appreciate his phoneall because him and I talked through this.ha And I do appreciate tt. I don't care how many patrol carsmo you put

there to help nitor it to begin with. Itoi doesn't matter. It's gng to get blockedic during the train traff and there'll be no movement, coming from the south getting around that roundabout and accidentsas allg down from theorth, I think it's going t to be a disaster. Nowhat's you're also making the assumption, too, that when there's a train t that everybody's goingo come in and block thet whole intersection, juslike they wouldsi if it was a traditional gnalizede intersection, you tell m one person that doesn't want to get closer so they canget pe not going toit back. I understand, but they'll be. t It's human nature andhey're going to get two lanes of people and they'rele going to clog that who thing, a signal, even get around it.th And they'e going to be ey're going to be perpendicular to the g traffic because they canet the next in line, because God forbid,d one of these guys behinme might get in front of me. I It's just human nature.t is. So I think this is aou horrible idea. Unless y could. I know, I know, you're going to f do a bypass coming outrom the West, which I think is o great for people to getut. But anyway, that's my $0.02. Appreciate your time. Thanks, Steve. Thanks, Steve. Keep., Any. Anybody else? Yese' sir. Hi. Hello. My nams Johnec Williams. And for the rord, Gordon, t you tried to understandhis with me. I still don't like it whenyou thm Bomgaars the steelry company, the box facto, t 330. That thing's goingo be so fully loaded withav cars, you're going to he accidents. I don't caree what anybody says. You'r going to havetr people from Bomgaars ying to get into it. You gotry people north and south ting to get into it.oi The guy's rig. It's gng to be clogged and

the trains actually go through them one, 2 to 3 times asi day. Because I work outde some of the buildings and t between the train and allhe traffic, this is theI worst idea you can have. knowex you say a bypass is too pensive,k but I myself would thin a bypasshe would be the best for t Hamilton Boulevard traffic, S just like they did Dodgetreet in Omaha. o You have bypasses that gover the top of intersections for the main traffic. We don'te we don't hae enough. Wdon't have enough space.be How far is the distance tween? I knowh you said 600ft. How mucrs distance between the intetate and that signal,pe the interstate, that slo to drop down from a bypass. Yeah. So I think when you when you think l about this. So trains toeave a gap for a train, it's 23ft.So m of the bridge be ft up, right. If you start uphi at first Stret and I tnk the, the, theho hard part of it is, is w do you reconnect? So you have t this bypass that you haveo run out. How do you how does t the reconnection for semirucks who need toon go from Hamilton? They d't want to go up. They don't wantnt to go up and over the iersection. They need to get toec Bomgaars was that reconntion off offf ramps just like you do? I you go to Omaha and go downso down street, righ. And those overpasseske with off ramps, just li your interstate, and that's wherein the space becomes constraed. You might have toyi buy some mo. I'm not sang you would. Yeah. So that's, that's just a challenge of that. Yeah. That's the stupidest thing I ever saw. I'd rather have a regular intersectionn with the signal. Even whe you haveoc to wait. And yes, people blk it. I had app lady the other day. She stoed right in front in the middle of theuc intersection. I pulled my trk right up to her and startedac honking. Because thats

tually illegal.nt You're not blocking the iersection. But yes, they do itou every day. And this roundabtng is just going to make this worse because people are trying s to navigate around it andtuff. s And I just at least with atoplight, you get brakes. This is never w goig to have a break. Andhen you start throwing all them carsoi n the mix, it's just gng toor cause more problems and me accidents. I don't care what studies say. I work in thelr ar. I know what I see aeady, andbe I think this is going to a problem. And as for quick start coming,l I don't know if they're stil coming. They're tellingow you they are. But I also kn they bought land northve of her, so they may not en be coming. I don't know if. you guys are aware of that Well aware that they haveoh other plans too. Thanks, Jn. Anybody else? Sorry.ha Hi, I'm Nancy Botkin. Say tt just a littlee. bit closer to the microphon So it's on the recording. Nancy Botkin j thank you. That picture youust had upou there about semis and roundabts. This one here designed froms our streets here. Yeah. That' on that's on thepr overlay that we have in te oposal athe Hamilton. So you looking at tto bottom lane would be Hamiln. And so Hamilton's T going up and down and thenravis going east. and west through that picture Okay. That's all I had because I was just trying to figure outou how semis would maneuver thrgh that. Butua I'm a visual person. I'd actlly probably have to

see w a video of it, but we are asell. Yeah. y Thank you for your time. Thankou. v All right. I could play theideo. Well, we we'll have another day for sure. Yeah. C This is the one up in Orangeity that'sng current. They have trucks goi through it along with busses. This is time lapse I so it's going realy fast.t doesn't normally they don't normally b go this fast, but you'll seeusses, you'll see tractor trailers going through it. And this is and just an hour away. i And this ad this roundabouts a little bit smaller than the one we're proposing. And it's right near school. Okay.in Sorry, I got an interject aga. You're trying to use aha roundabout in a litte town tt's going to have half the traffic. Thisn. intersection is going to happe John, will you y step up to the microphone whenou speak. So that way it's onou the recording. Okay. Thank y. And this is just a visualization forg how they wor. But I'm sayin they're using Orange City with with with tractor trailers, with busses and ours would bes larger. Do you have 100 busseor 100 trucks?m. Yeah. Every day go through the Oh you don't. I used to drive up there. Okay. Sond I'm not going to change yor mi. I O just it's I don't think usingrange City, if you were to use. Worthington. Yes. Or Omaha, I justor don't. I didn't have a video f Worthington, that's all. I'm just sayingha to use a small town versus wt you'reoi proposing and what

traffic's gng to go throughng there. Again, just just showi them how iter works. Not with te traffic he.yo It's just a visualization, like u said, just ah visualization actually. How muc smaller is this roundabout than what you would be proposing?I Well, this one is I measure, measured itha off, this one's about 80. So tt green space on the inside is aboute 80 foot hours. Our green spac is what I'll call it is aboutte 115 foot. The conceptua, so qui a bit bigger, maybe 40% bigger. Yeah. So weno have n actual hour. I don't kw if I can make this go bigger. Yeah. There you go. So this is the computer. It's a simulated model of a traffic signal after at full build out of quick star and in the year 2046, I W think that's our build out year.e project how much more the traffic will be. l And I know it's hard to see for aot of peoplehe with the small dots on their. Ty look like little ants, butp you can see the traffic backing u A again and they'll. They'll queue.nd thenke when the signals get goi. And ep in mind,io there's one part of the presentatn we did not talk about was this intersection down here at the off ramp on ramp to Wesley. That's going to beur modified as well to double left tn lane.rm We're trying to get that peission through the d o t. They're studying it now. Sothisd these signals wille timed. But even with that during a peak hour,et this is what you're going to g. You're still going to get your backup. Now on the flip side, this is again

computer modeled done by our consultant. With a roundabout, you'll get a smoother transition and operation with the traffic and with trucks. Now again, it's if you're not believe that they're safer, you're not going to believe that computer model either. So no, no no. Okay. Thank you.Ye Thank you Gordon. Thank you. ah. Sir, did youre have something you wanted to sha? I just say my name is.t My name is Rick Botchan. I jus from that picturend you showed me frm around. I uerstand it'se going to be closer to the interstat than the train. The train tracks? Yeah, that's what Ith understand. Yes, it's taking eok place. The train tracks. If you lo at this map here, becauset that's when you have the quick stargoes in there. It's goingt to be the roundabout this way, righ further towards the interstate. I've beenaroundo my nephew's house and theyot. When you go in there, it's all 42nd Streetas and Dodge. He goe, he lives on Whington out thereou in all that there. And they got dbleav lanes in. They like they say you he to reel it, yield it right away. Right.e this way. almost got an accident because Ime didn't see him, but I stopped in ti. But but hey, lives on his right way. Technicall he should have yielded to me, right? But I just wondered who's going to. Who's a going to be in fault whn you getn accident and theca roundabout when double lanes beuse you come off the interstate.nd You want to turn around this way a go down, go downro Hamilton and the trucks can come aund and you're going to get you know what I mean?. Yeah. Captain Bertrand, I think theyo Just like any other roadway when u are not yet in the roadway,ed let's say their

roundabout is consider. The people that are moving, theyyo would have the right of way. So u you wouldn't be able to pull in unless it were safe to do so. Yeah, yeah.ay You got people coming up, come this w. They got you foron you. Come of, drive you right. I'm Hamilton and I'm on the go. Stay on Hamilton and he comes off. Drive you. Hepl has to yied to me. Right. The peoe that are in the p roundabout would have priority overeople who have not Y yet entered. I just want, you know.ou know, I just. Thankou you, thank you, thank you, thank y. Another another quick thing I'll add there. I don't knowul his exampe in Omaha. If that's a fl two lanes all around the roundabout. But for our layout t here we cut down to one lane. It's awo by one roundabout.y So if you look at it, there's actuall only a single lane.ik And that's to try to avoid confusion le that. The single lanes are on thenorte if you look at i And then we obviously have two lanes for Hamilton in each direction to tryha to limit that confusion, because tt is a confusingie aspect, especially for communits who don't have many t roundabouts. And one other pointoo weel want to bring up is we do have to road no matter what we pick, whether it's traffic signal or roundabout, we do have tore relocate Zenith Drive. And the ason for that is right up there. So right here, if you look at this, this is with t quickstart already developed andhey're adding 400 cars in the peak hours, either around 715 to 815 in the morning and 415 to 515, 515 at night. So an extra. 400 cars to this intersection is a lot So but if we do,e we keep zenith the way it is just lik this. We're

going to have cars that aregoing for their signal to g north on Hamilton or straight through.uc And then we're going to have trksar that are trying to turn to go to Bomgasth or to go to the truck stop, come sou to come south. So either way, likee roundabout, we have to relocate nith Drive to the other side of the proposed quick star right here. So we would cut it off here, give this property to Kwikhe Star and they'll give us this property re for the road.e Now we have to do that. Otherwis traffic just will get jammed up there. So would there be just too many cars coming from Kwik Star? So c we'll have to do that. And what's theost of thatha portion of the improvement would ask tt. All right. Yeah. So we don't have fully divided out because ind that specifically we've always ha a lump sum cost for the intersection with this access road. Because n honestly, no matter like Gordon said,o matter if you do a signalization or a roundabout, that access is just too close.e Together with Hamilton Boulevard, w can pull that out separately. I know the tri view improvements, like t from the ed of the cul de sac to abouthesi intersection and beyond, on the oppote side of Myrtle, that's like 800,000 to 1 million. But we o haven't. I don't have a number dividedut for that. We just have the lump sum intersection number. And actually there is one option to keepou Zenith Drive where it's . And that wld be the five legged roundabout.it That would be the only way to keep zenh

there. And this is a Tiff district. Yes. But it's like I said, the Tiff improvements that we're getting from quick stars, like 1.5 million exit question. All these dollars for Quick star. Does it open up any other lots? Does it open up any other lots? Yeah. Any otherdeve. I know that's that's that's the part Ir got. That's that's the one that's hard fo me is that thathe one on the corner is deemed because of t traffic counts. No't matter what we use, the traffic counts won line up. So ifr you want to stick a McDonald's in there o something on that corner, it's a lot. And that's, that's,that'o swallow. It's like really, I me, you're going to no offenseet to quick star. I want them come build. L's do it. Let's't spend some money. But yu know, if we don go with the s grant money, which the community is,eems to be expressing themselves. We're doing all this, you know, it's going to be a, you know, let's let's be real world. It's going to be a seven, $10 million project. We're all said and done, moving Zenith Drive and? all that crap. Are you kidding me a tonNo, no, we'reWh only talking 4.3 to 4.5. All right. at about the over under?t' I mean, okay, but I'm just saying is is a lot ofr money. If we got to come out of pocket fo just a t quick start. And I like quick start andhey're up north, they're's doing great things. But I'm just like, it not like it's openingto up for different lots that are going go up there and bust this corridor open. So it's another thing we need to talk about. And this is not something that we're that's why we're askingom them to come here. They just they are cing here. They wantin to build there. So we got to do somethg with this intersectionnd to. For the safey of the general public a the. The safest thing is a roundabout. So that's where you have to make that decision. Not so much if the public doesn't like it or doesn't want it, you don't like it, don't want it, whichever the safestrg thing and most efficient. Let's not

foet that is the roundabout. Well, definitely come armed in June. Whatever we get and we are going to proceed with the bypass leg around on the west side of. Quick Star so thatah we don't hold their project out. Ye, right.in All to be determined, which will elimate the five legged option period. Okay. Thank you. Absolutely. Sharon Brown sorry. Sharon Brown so is that relocation of Zenith Driveur enough for all those trucks to make tns without hitting cars or damaging property?at That would be that would that would th's like we showedNo in the that's the reason the purpose. , no. Likeno we showed in the roundabout. No, no, no I kw but we'd have to make those same. That did not. That lookedf a tight turn. We'd have to make those sameture design the relocation to make suret functions. It's just never m see anywhere is divots where trucks can'takeul turns, right? Yeah, that would that wod have to go in the design of it for sure. Yeah. Good question. Thanks, Gordon. Thanks. Detention basin buy down program. Tom Pringle, public works Director again, we've been tasked by Rick Bertrand tos come up with some solutions for some issue that we are seeing with the contractors. So we're looking at a local and regional stormwater detention basin program. There's not many in the state of Iowa to look at to, to model. So we might be theig

modeling community for that. It's not a b deal. The current challenges that we're seeing on site detentiondd requirements is effective, but it can a cost,ea consume valuable developable land, and crte inconsistent site by site solutions.de Regional detention option would give velopers flexibility toat contribute to shared, strategically loced facilities instead of construction. Small little basins everywhere. So we might just build, say, like a couple really big basins and orders of magnitude cost can go down and theyup could contribute to that. So this approach sports more efficient site design, maximizes on usable development area, and provides a consistent city managed solution for longtf we're building the things, we can f build them how we want thm and how we seeit for longer term solutions. So the proposed solution is we could dodo a dual track stormwater strategy. What I mean by that? S Well, developers aren't locked into this.o if it's more cost effective for them, they can build the small detention ponds on site. But if they want to buy in, as you say,in to the larger basins that the city is gog to develop or would possibly develop, this is a this is a solution for them. We hear contractors and developers have they don't want to use their own valuable land that, you know, couldin could put a house on. And instead of puttg a pond on it, we could offer solutions for that. How this would work. There would be ah fee structure, and that'd be based on how muc impervious roads or homes or anything like that that is out there.or The regional basin would be located in priity growth areas. This

would be a dedicated stormwater detention basin fund. So this fund would manage the the the maintenance and the construction of these. This would go into a CIP for, for a long range thing, the city would obviously have oversight for the the regional or local detention bonds. Benefits for the'd city would be system wide performance. So it be optimized to reduce downstream impacts. Reliable maintenance for the city. We w know that we're going to take care of it. Weould do annual maintenance on these things to ensure that our basins are doing what they do, retain and detain water. This would be scalable, scalable for the city,re for the developer and maximize buildable aa, be cost predictive so theey developer would know going into it that th could buy in and it's going to be X amount of money before they even start the project. And it'd be flexible. How are wehe going to implement this? If this is something t council wants, we wouldli have o analyze the watershed and the hydrauc studies toat identify it. Well, luckily, we just did th in 2023. That was wrapped up. And so we have a master t stormwater plan completed. So we could handhat to the preliminary engineer to start off. That's a big time save for US design. We'd have to design these plans and and get cost estimates, calculate a legal defensible fee structure, code it. We got to get this into ordinance and update our design standards. We'd have tot' create the fund, the enterprise fund, if thas what we need to do to fund these SIPs and engage with

stakeholders, engineers and the community itself. So the next steps and recommendation, the path forward is utilizing the existingna stormwater master pln that we have for prelimiryrm engineering analysis to find locations, perfo, physical analysis to define the fee schedule and create detailed oriented ordinances and design standards. Going. What we would recommend is to direct theri staff to proceed with the preliminary engineeng analysis anddo stakeholder engagement. So what we need to next is hire an engineer to see t what the costs are going o be, where we're goingo put d these things. We'd have to work with communityevelopment to see where are the developments occurring. Can we intersect some of our existingas stormwatr systems to build these detention bins, to relieve stress in our infrastructure, tos continue growing where we want to grow? So that'We that's the presentation. We can come back. could go out and solicite engineers to do the preliminary engineering, and w could bring that back to you guys to to approve or deny. So does that mean and, I and my limited knowledge, I, you know, when was on the committee before I got kicked off. Gordon was really explaining some of it. So does that mean in that preliminary,d from what I understand, how would that be moveto wherever we decide, you know, that we're going toha? That's a good question. So it'd be prett fluid, meaning the engineer would do some p preliminary things to get the cost structure inlace to, to o kind of guess maybe where these would go. Butnce a contractor isr locked in and ready to go, we could get the engineebackll on. It'd be kind of like on retainer, if you wi. The b beauty of this, too, is it's almost like you'reuying a I carbon credit is really what you're doing. Andan love it and

it's brilliant. I know I'm brillit. The. But when we sat down and talked about it, wefou. And so like, I was goingli to bring you up and ask you, I mean, don't you kea. this great idea that. Curious how big of an are Well, think about behind unity School that that pit behind unity school, that 22ndth one, that's where I thought about it because all at ground behindea it, it was, Gordon had pointed out a couple of yrs, isha that if we were to build behind it, we wouldn't ve tos reinvent the wheel. We could just create or expand it volume. I'mpa like, all right, yeah, it's all you got to exnd the volumen so we can identify regional pits or basins. Theat that point,d when we need to expand volume based upon more anmore development. And so what I like about it is I don't want it.ul And I don't think our fee structure, Steve, shod be where, what an underground tank costs. I mean, it's got to be something reasonableda and fixed so that you can then preserve the builble space, yourit setbacks and all that other garbage that comes wh the basin. And then we can buy into these regional pits. So it's,ita process. And that's what I hope is counciles will move forward. It's very innovative for us, pecially in our terrain. So what are your thoughts. I like it just figure out the size. And I know I spoke with a guy out there ongi Outerbelt that's developing. We talked about a reonal pond out thereon with Will, and I thought that was a great idea ce If understood the concept. So I had a little bit oidea just to figure out where they would go in town, how big of an area they would cover, and how much costth would there be, of course, for the city to get at infrastructured in place and what would it cost us right at the ensi of the day. But if I can get a bigger buildable te, m it's more usable. That thing is worth a lot moreoney. Once g you identify it, you can always you don't have too outan there and build this monster. You can go out there d buildol it. And then as it expands, you just build, put vume on S top of it. Yeah, I like it. So anyway, kudos Tom.od, has the master plan that has already been complete identified developable sites and where community detention ponds could

go with development in that area. Or do youul still need to go through that process? That wod be the process. So all the data, the flows, the the individual basins, if you will, across ourem community, not detention basins, but we call th drainage basins. So they're all connected, if youwi7 really big ones that are all connected like, like, yeah, big watersheds is really whatas they are. And that's what we that's what the mter plan points out. We could intercept lines in those master or those watersheds and create these regional detentionhe basins were designed basically to not to slow t flow of water, not retain it so that the system doesn't geto overflow overwhelmed. So as water is going down tha our treatment plants, that's why, like, why do we ve to be n stupid bases? There's never water in them. They'reot supposed to havenc water in them. It's just supposed to get a three ih rain. It fills up, slows the process, lets the system catchus away. So that's the beauty of of this. I think it's this is a good advancement for our city. And I applaud you for having an open mind was brought to you and Gordon, I will give you a compliment. Good job. Let's not let'san not. Let's get it done. Let's figure out identify it d move forward and present it to the council. That'd be greatt to give? I was going to say you' had a kind of a next step, right? I'd really like. dee like to see the the watershed. Well, I'd like to s thes watershed analysis, but I'd like to see the busines plan for what you're proposing as well. I think they have to go hand in hand. So if we could see the business plan with the t financials, that would be helpful. Yep. And I thinkhe preliminary report analysis would point a lot of that out. Would it help to see an example of intersecting some of these with a basin to see what itwoul. We could we could try to find some. That's. But you know, a

developer, if he's lookingor at number one, doesn't want to give up the ground killsgh the project, which is nine nine times out of ten mit kill5, the project versus. Okay, an underground basin is 7000. Okay. A fixede fee of 28.5 basd upon volume or something. They'rgoing okay, 28,000.t I get to keep my ground throws into the fund and ihe serves the community better. And plus we dictate wre they go. It's just I think it's a great vision for us. I kind of visualize it like the city would have a C, I, P to build 1 or 2 of these things every so often, orders of magnitude. Like I said earlier, it's more cost effective for the city to build big retention basins rather than little small onesr everywhere that the developer builds. So when he oshe, the developer puts in money into this pot, it goes. to maintaining and building more and more of these So then is that is that just council direction or how does that b wht do you mean we can't do anything today. Yeah,ut I can go out and solicit engineers to propose on what you know. Mike. You good at that?s I'm sorry. Say that again. I could solicit engineer through an RFQ process to get their proposals to see what the cost would look like to evenod do something like this at a preliminary level. You go with that? Give you a general direction? Yeah,ee yeah. Like I said, I need to see the business plan. I nd s to understand we won't have a business plan unlessomething like this next level happens.or So I understand. I understand it's kind of the egg befe the chicken thing. It doesn't cost anything to ask. Let's see what they bring us. Keep moving forward. Okay. Good stuff Dan. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Thank you. All right. All of that in three weeks. All this stuff like it, boom, boom,. boom. No, I meant get to this point within three weeks No. It's

good. Council concerns. Mr. Bertrand real quick. Is Dolly still in the room? She is. Dolly. I got tohe correct the record. Boy, did I get my butt chewed. T I two weeks ago, I made a comment on the levy, and I said that the Journal reported that the residential went up by $399, and it wasn't the Sioux City Journal, it was ktiv. So I want to correct the record. Youo. were correct in your reporting. So we're good there. Sre So that record has been corrected. Other than that, al quick, I have my little notes. I'm going to be gone next week. I apologize. I got a site visit that Ito got to go t. Congratulations to Shannon George. I want reach out and say congratulations to her. And it's been a good week. And I do appreciate Gordon and Marty and all the guys. The permitting process is getting a lot better. I appreciate that. I'm excited to see the electronic part of it. We're going to continue to bring up our our homeless situation. Captain, I appreciate'r that. I think we gt to keep it front and center and wee doing that. And we're on the move to cities on the move. We should be proud of what we're doing in these last fewe weeks. And I'm really excited that the last three peopl standing up a here as your new council. So good job tonight guys. It's h late one. Thank you, Mister Berenstein. The only thing Iave is I know we have a new RCA form on our materials. It talks about that it's been reviewed by Legal Managered Finance. Can we also get a statement that it's review and approved by those three, or at least who it's been approved by? Isn't that the statement it doesn't state approved anymore unless I misread it. Used to say we used to say reviewed and approved, and if I saw it correctly, it just says reviewed. Okay. So if we could get reviewed and

approved by, that'd be. And that's it. Thank you. Just real quick one, as you heard today with the education for Young Children Week, I'll be going out to spend the morning with somed, of the young folks tomorrow. The other thing I just wante you know, had a great meeting we've been meeting about the UTV, and we've taken the first step in evaluating what that looks like on our city streets and meeting with the city staff and department leaders, and understand the legal and safety considerations at this time. I really want to just put out, you know, to the media and to neighborhoods that on April 21st, the Sioux City PD is having a town hall and a part of that town hall. We're going to be holding a listening session on that particular issue. And so we're asking all folks, if you have a perspective where the supportop, this is an opportunity to be heard. And that will be at the Sioux City Public Museum. 7:00 right, captain. 7:00 and we'll send that to, you know, have that community input is obviously a critical role in what we do and what we do next. So we want people to come out and be engaged with that as, as, as Councilman Rick said, congratulations, Sharon. But I see, Linda, you're still here. We know that there is a second position that's coming open. And so we please and you will not need to reapply as I understand it.l Correct. Heidi. That's correct. She will not. Linda wilnot need to reapply for the open position in June. That isor correct. That is correct. We will hold those applications f 18 months. So even if someonep else filled the role after that, we would continue to kee that application on file for the next vacancy. Yes. Linda Asante,

best applicant for the library board currently. Do I need to pull if I don't want to be considered? Yes. If you would like to remove your application, if you could send us an email, something in writing, just to say that you're removing your application from consideration, you can certainly do that. Thank you. That will take care of it. Thank you. Linda. If nothing else, I move to adjourn. Second. Bertrand a Rayford. I. Bernstein, I, I want to do. There you go.