Committees - Regular Meeting

So, all right, so we will start the meeting and. Amanda did circulate.

Anyone had any. How many I read that I didn't have any on series is a great job.

Yes. Yeah, I just, I had 1 question. Yeah, it was in. Section 4 after the role of local police, like the next page Congress, it was a line where congressman will load his letter. Several members agree that public perception could become as important as the legal language itself and didn't really understand what that was referring to. I was just curious if anyone knew that knew what that was.

Several members noted that the legal questions involved privacy rights.

So, no, no, it's so it's at the top of let's see. Yeah, there's no page numbers.

It would be like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, sorry.

Yeah, so, but there's Congress, Congress will load us letters. Like. There's like a line delineating section, or it's just above why make it a lot instead of.

I printed the wrong one. I printed the main before.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm getting them up for us right now. I wasn't prepared for the question. All right. That's okay.

Yeah, when I read that section, I was like, I don't really know what this means. So a section for section please. Yes, keep going. Lotus letter, like, there's a line will load his letter and then down before the next line.

committee discussed the lotus public statement warning municipalities not that okay got it members agreed that public perception could become as important as the legal language itself. I understand what that means.

Right. So we get hung up on this, but sometimes the perception of the public is as important, right? Because you were talking about messaging to the public. That's the way I take that.

Okay.

I wasn't sure if there was something more specific.

No, I think it's just in general.

Like, a lot of times we get hung up on on on what we write.

Right.

That's not always what's perceived.

Yeah. Like, sometimes people maybe might not read, like, let's just take, for example, like, the proposal legislation people might not read all the way through it, but they might perceive that. Are we going to recommend it or not recommend it and that. People might have a viewpoint on that regardless of. The actual substance of it.

And I think people do not understand what the law is. Yeah. Yes.

But it is received differently. Yeah. Yeah. Just got started. We're just going through the minutes to see if anyone had any corrections. But that was my only question.

Make a motion to approve the minutes.

That's you. Yeah, I know. I was like, that's your pile of paper. This is my pile of paper.

So I think the first thing I was curious about is have we, like, heard anything, like, has there been any, I mean, I saw that there was, like, I think it was a response on social media or something from the congressman, but has there been any other?

He is going to be here next week. On the island, I'm going to get an opportunity to talk to him.

Okay. Is he just coming to meet with you or is it a public meeting?

He's just coming to meet with me. He's here for another meeting. So, they asked if there was time either before or after, so they will give me confirmation as to what time next week. So, yeah.

Okay. But we haven't heard anything.

No.

Other than.

No.

Yeah. So, a staffer finally got back to me and I. gave my list of things I wanted to talk about. This was the first one. Other stuff.

Oh, great. Yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'll have more and I'll be able to like, I'm going to plan to go through this point by point with them if you allow me to find out specifically what the objections are in this draft. Or maybe it's going back to my question about the minutes and it's public perception and not the language itself.

I can't. But also how he would view if we adopted parts not in the law, but as policy, town policy, how that would be viewed as. Yes. That would be important. Yeah.

I would say to that, we already have everything in there, employees' policies, so it becomes unnecessary, the legislation. Right. So just to kind of tell you, for me, I'm kind of doing a guidance document to the community, and that would be we could say might be of concern to them. If we said to the community, hey, we've met with the task force, you know, I'm speaking for myself, we feel that there's language in the police policy currently and with probably an amendment to make sure that we cover a notification from the police supervisor, right, you know, and then we do a guidance document out to the community on how we're going to handle should ICE come to our community. So, without adopting it as local legislation, right? Because I think that my takeaway from reading some of the stuff he's put out publicly is that it's the local legislation that is the driving, seems to be the driving force. You know, and just following up and listening most recently to Southhold's last meeting, it doesn't sound like they're heading in that direction either with local legislation. But I could be misreading that. I don't want to speak by any means on Southhold's behalf. I'm not sure. Gina, you had mentioned just before we started that they might be going with what we were talking about as a guidance document.

They're in discussion now. It has not been decided. They did have a public hearing. The task force is divided and has made public statement, which I sent to everyone. Yeah. Yeah. But what would be his objective objection to adopting the law as the, what is the June 30th was the newest law proposed?

May 29th. That was the latest draft.

You mentioned what would be his objective.

You can find that.

Yeah, that's what I was finding. Because there's nothing in that law as is East Hampton's law that would prevent any kind of interference with.

My thinking was, and 1 of the things I started to look at this afternoon was. Like, our goal, and even, you know, just like reviewing the minutes from the nerve to talk to us. Is public safety planning right? So the police have policies in place. the school has policies in place, which Dr. Dolger can speak to as much as he feels comfortable in a public setting. He comes to the next meeting. Oh, and Vicki, you weren't here. So Dr. Dolger has agreed to come to our future meetings.

Oh, great.

So he's on vacation this week. So when we schedule the next one, we'll incorporate him into the scheduling. So the police has policies. The school has policies. Where else do we need to plan to cover public seat?

I think that the 1 thing that we. Haven't talked that we don't have necessarily covered as maybe some kind of, like, I don't know if it's a policy or guidance document around, like, communication and notification. That's 1 thing that we don't have. And I think that. Like, that's where I think that there needs to just be. just clarify, like I said, like a guidance document, just like laying it out for the public. We know what the process is, but just like also just having that super transparent to the public so that they understand what the process is too. That's the one thing that I kind of don't see. You know, and I think that the idea of So like I said, the communication notification, right? So kind of putting that together. And then, yeah, I mean, I almost wonder separately if it would be good to just even start to put together like, like chief, like you said, like a guidance document, just putting together the P like P you know, piecing together all the different pieces of the policy as it exists. Like, so not even changing anything, but even just potentially just gathering it all into one, you know, the relevant sections out of the already existing policy.

I would agree with that. I think a couple of things that police policy written specifically to a federal immigration rate warranted or would warrant or not would be more specific in its language than just immigration as broadly. And then the communication timeline, because we can, I know that it was said 24 hours or whatever, but obviously in the small town, we can do things much faster and quicker than that both in police policy and then to the town. And then also the development of the task force, I think it's that really, really important piece of what this legislation is about. So, those 3 things. Police policy specific to ice communication timeline that it is quick. Maybe not with an official report to you, but at least notification supervisor you, if you're not available, is it going to go to and to your town board and to the task.

Just play that out for me, Gina. We have an incident I call a supervisor and now she knows now what.

Maybe the task force gets a notification before a, it could happen fairly quickly.

I'm trying to play out. Now what? Now you know. Now we know.

Now we know. We are aware.

What does that do?

And then when an official report, then the task force could go into.

I'm trying to play. What I'm getting into is the why on some levels. Right. And I'm trying to find out. I'm trying to understand. Right. So let's say within the first hour, I call the supervisor and the supervisor tells the town board. Now what?

Right, and then eventually whatever in that chain, the task force would then be notified to be made aware. I would imagine that the task force would be made up of the different combination of people than this. that certain things could go into place.

And that is a great clarifying point. I'm glad you clarified it for me because I was thinking this task force.

Social work might be on the committee that obviously Dr. Doldrum would be on. You might have a clergy, you might have a Spanish speaking person or

necessarily doesn't necessarily have to be a school if it's related right because look we already have policies where we notify the school and if something involves a student but that piece right that's where we would clarify it on the front side yeah and i think it's i think it's just explaining all of that you know and like we've talked about you know we like our idea behind so there's kind of like two pieces i feel like around the communication there's just getting information out to the public. It's not going to be in time for just if people have good information, you know what I mean? Even if it's just 10 hours later, six hours later, you know, this is what we know that happened so that we don't have the Facebook wonderings of everything, you know, and, and maybe we might have a evolving understanding, but we can let people know what we know, you know, um, You know, there or whatever that is, and then it seems like the other piece of it that I hear you saying is there being. Like, a task force to put, like, if community members are affected, just kind of like having us like, I think what you're saying is like a task force or. I more formal kind of. or more transparent, I'm trying to think of the word.

But if community action needed to be taken by those stakeholders in the community.

Yeah, and so maybe it might, you know, like if there was a child involved that there would be, the school would be brought in and the, just like explaining how it works.

Right, because we're, as, you know, we're obligated as, you know, the school sitting as local parent by or us dealing with an adult where we remove adult and we have children behind working with child protective services. And so. Largely, those are in. Clearly in place, right?

Right. You could have a child who was a toddler or a baby that wouldn't be connected to the school.

100% still where our obligation clearly squares with that. And we have policy and procedure for that.

Right.

Right. So we definitely are. Gina, that's why sometimes I may come across the wrong way when I drill down. It's just for me to get understanding where you're going so I can kind of play it back. But even on clearing up what you were calling the task force, I was thinking this task force, not a future task force. what would be because even in their own legislation that you know if you if we in our policy adopted what they have in their section four right this is like the next business this is like the next time the board meets for uh that doesn't make sense i don't think is that is that the most this is the latest yeah because i'm looking at it and you can even look at it here if you want no i don't mind looking on my phone but yeah um yeah i mean i'm looking at section four yeah yeah because it's uh the next time the board regularly meets the town supervisor office village mayor's office shall provide copies of such reports all members of the town board no later than the next regularly scheduled meeting but even above that when a town law enforcement um number one responds to an incident involving immigration town village chief law enforcement shall report the incident to the town supervisor

We could change that type.

That's where East Hampton made it 24 hours. Yeah. Right. Right. So. Depending on the nature of it, but I mean, I don't, I don't, I'm not.

I'm not opposed to making sure that whatever report is provided is thorough and not, you know, it's accurate. Whatever that looks like or whatever that takes is out of my purview. Then it says, so there's two other items. So item C, after providing copies of such reports to the town, the town supervisor's office shall make such reports available to the public.

Right, but just back up one step into one. Shall report, it says, not provide a report. The police shall report it to the supervisor. After that, it talks about shall provide a report. Right, so just so we're clear. It's like a verbal.

I can call her and I'm going to let her know. Yeah, of course.

Because I'm trying to stay at that level. The details of a written report are not going to come that fast. Okay.

Of course, and that's important, but it seems that the chain of command, I mean, that's the chain of command, but the protocol seems like, you know, police report to the supervisor's office. Then the supervisor's office lets the rest of the board town board. No, then the report is made. Public made available public made available to the public.

To the public, yeah. Consistent with the federal information.

And then here's where we can, I mean- The task force. The task force, and understand what the role of the task force is based on what OLA has drafted in this legislation. We're not reinventing the wheel. So just to understand what the point of the task force is. And if we are not going the legislative route to mirror this in some guidance document, some sort of capacity,

I mean, and I wonder if it could be something that mirrors what actually happens, you know, and I think about it like a, I'm thinking about like the fairy study committee that only meets when they, you know, like basically that committee only meets when they need to meet. It doesn't need to meet all the time, you know, but like if, you know, if like the, Fairies are thinking about a rate, you know, then, like, then everybody gets together. So maybe it would be something similar to just, you know, be like, it's like. A senior police officer, and if it involves a children child, the school age, somebody from the school and associate, you know, I don't know. I'm just like, you know, basically mirrors what. Should happen.

I think we're going to go too deep into a guidance document. You know what I mean? The guidance document should be one page and simple to me, in my mind. If this happens, well, the number one through three is already in place. Already since as we sit here, right? So I've already said to you that if we, if they come. Yeah, I want to find a supervisor. Supervisors are setting these meetings. I'm going to notify the town board. Yeah, it's in place. We don't know who the task force is yet. So we probably have to establish.

That would be our role as this task force would be to decide who should be appointed or like our recommendation to the town board of who should be appointed to the task force. Like what stakeholders do we think should be a part of the Shelter Island Public Safety Task Force for this? And then, let us say after that, and then the town, the town shall consult with the task force concerning all relevant matters regarding immigration enforcement within the town, including, but not limited to the local implementing implementation of the provisions of chapter 53, which is the local legislation. So we have to obviously change that language. And then the task force shall also consider recommendations to the town regarding other policies. Necessary to ensure the safety of the public in response to immigration work. So basically sounds like the task force would be. It would be asked to provide recommendations to the town in response to any actions that might be taken.

So, that's 2 fold the task force would then it could go into action if there were needs of. Community members, right? And then to review the report and the actions later on to see if there was anything else.

I don't know about actions i'm not sure if there's actions that the task force would necessarily need to take. They would.

be notified about what's going on and then they would there as stakeholders they would be checking in with whomever it is that they're representing and just see how it's going back to what they rep you know if it was allah a role as this or a social worker and we go back and and use her role to follow up if it was clergy if it was a member of the food pantry i i don't know you know who we decide that would there would be action if there's no action that's the point

Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. I just, I thought you meant as like a whole, but, but you're right. They go back and they check in with their various people that they represent to check in and then meet again to, to Report whether or not, like, how everybody was affected by what happened, maybe, and whether things could have been done differently, or, you know, the response could have been better or whatever.

Maybe the task force doesn't meet on a regular basis and we never ask them to establish their roles.

But then. Maybe it's just meeting as like, maybe just a initial meeting to establish what. They're going to do and then as and then it's just like, as needed. Hopefully never needed.

question to the town attorney whether or not we need to local law or resolution to establish a tax task force just i'm thinking of like we established this right into a local law no no yeah it's also a temporary right i don't i just want to be sure all right as you can call out a committee you don't have to call out a task force yes public safety committee yeah i think that's a great that's a great like safety that would be one year just you know one year term or whatever it's going to be and then we could also

You know, I mean, I think that going with the timeline that's imagined in this, you know, hopefully there comes a time when we don't, hopefully the committee never has to meet. And hopefully the committee in short order is not needed, can be disbanded.

And Jim, does your policy, is it specific to an ICE raid, a federal raid?

Well, defining RAID is a really important word because- Without the warrant, let's say- No, no, no. So when you say RAID, if two ICE agents come over and pick somebody up on a non-warrant, is that a RAID?

On a warrant?

Is it? No.

No.

I'm going with what you want. what do you mean by like when i think a raid i think like of a tactical team coming into a place and you know what i mean like going to a sensitive area if they go to a ferry and two officers wait on a ferry line and take i'm using a recent example right take somebody out of a ferry line is that a raid i don't i that's why i'm trying to understand what you mean by the work site go to a work is that a raid

Um, if if there's no warrant, I would consider that. Right.

That's why I don't want to use the word grade.

Right action. Yeah, it's better that way because I don't know what constitutes is a number. I don't know.

I don't know what that's why I'm trying to.

Trying to better understand what you're describing, maybe going to sensitive areas without a warrant. That that I would more radar, or I would consider it more like a raid than an action.

I mean, I just, I wonder if that. Because that language might be loaded. Agreed.

That's what I'm drilling down on.

I appreciate that. I think it's important. I actually think that when we're talking about being able to communicate about these things to use language that is appropriate and doesn't add any unnecessary anxiety or fear around it. It already is loaded. So take it down a little bit so that it's a little more

um because gina rabbit city let's just say they covered two ice agents come to shelter island they take somebody on a warrant is that so if we put the word in here i might not make a report tower it wasn't a race action it's got to be nice right so so so let's play that out two officers come over and they take somebody on a criminal warrant and that is yeah is that a nice action were they ice agents with us then it's enforcement then yes Right, so that's why we define ICE action as opposed to what you're saying RAID is.

I think that terminology has been used.

Right, because if it was RAID, and I don't know if RAID is used in here, is it? The legislation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think they call it ICE action.

ICE action, good.

Because we want to kind of know know i mean like you could have i'm just using something like maybe somebody has a warrant from a speeding speeding ticket or something so it could technically be right on a warrant but we would want to know because if they had a kid in the school you know what i mean like a kid in the school we would want to be able to make sure that whatever we had is the plan was like activated for the family regardless of whatever you know they use the word operation

What I'm trying to give you some peace of mind on, and this is where we probably have to relay that information to the public and Dr. Dolcher can help. We already have that stuff, right? So I'm just trying to reaffirm because some of this is public and Julie Lane's on this. We have good things in place already, and just reaffirm that, that if tomorrow, without anything out, ICE came here and took a parent, and it was during a school day, so tomorrow's not a good day, September 10th, and that we would make our notifications, right? With or without a guidance document.

Yeah, right. But that's where, so the guidance segment is to be able to share with the public how the town operates generally, but also specifically as it relates to this, because it is on people's minds and they want to, I think it's important for everybody to understand what the protocol is.

Even in descriptions to Congresswoman Loto, this is, we're just stating our normal operation. None of this is outside of our normal operations. I mean, that's, that's the great thing legislating. It's just standing operation to give our community some comfort.

Yeah. Cause it, you know, I mean, I think that the great, the great news is, is that we kind of have all this all, you know, but it is kind of. All the, you know, it's like in those, you know, you gave us all the different policy documents. So putting that all together, it's just kind of, you know, gathering up like a executive summary of all those things. Right? Which is really what we're doing in case someone was like, well, where exactly is it in place? It's all there, but someone might not.

And same thing for the school, because you can play that out at the school level. What are they going to do? And they have policies and documents. Let Dr. Dolger speak to that and how they're going to handle a situation. And we can reaffirm that the school has policies, though.

Are we able to make a decision? Well, that's why when I was starting to get my head into what direction to go to today, I was thinking, we have these policies in place. What is missing that we need to add? So I think the communication piece is what Eva just said. I started to look at our comprehensive emergency management plan because Minerva had said, we already have policies dealing with hurricanes, with COVID. So it's like comprehensive emergency management plan is where we have all of those. This is something we incorporate into that, but I don't think it's the same. So I feel like we need to just come up with our own guidance document outside of the comprehensive. Emergency management plan, because I don't feel like this fits.

So then just what policies you can develop if you want. Obviously, I have no problem trying to put. a starter framework together, right? So, and then we could share that and discuss that at a future meeting. And it could be the town's, not the police department's, the town's framework for handling.

Because I think that's the piece, and then it also is, I mean, understanding where the congressman is on it feels, I mean, I have my own feelings about bullies, but understanding is going to be important before the town board does anything. So whatever they decide to do, whatever we decide to do, we can go into with our eyes open.

Even if we recommend moving the legislation forward, I think we need this piece.

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I agree.

It's still some information from to understand which direction we want to recommend. Right? Like, we can at least start to pull together the policy. So you had cited policy, you know, 3 policies, immigration violations, biased.

So we have a policy that says if there's any major incident on Shelter Island, I'm to be notified. So I would say that to you, whether it's a house fire. In other towns that are bigger, the chief police might not want to know that there's a house fire. But here, and this is what we can explain to congressmen and other people, our scope is different. Our leaders, because we're smaller and closer to the ground, need to know and this is one of those need to know things so it's really simple for us to adjust in this way but i think it's important that the minute ice steps on shelter island it goes into place not even one one officer Right, right, right. So a notification, right? So if we get notified, right. So no, I would say that they're going to call a supervisor first, and that supervisor's role is going to try to affirm, hey, what's going on, right? And then once they get a sense of what's going on, they're going to notify me, and then I'm going to push it down.

So it sounds like maybe the next steps are pulling together what would go into our guidance document. What would go into our guidance document? So maybe, like, Chief, would you want to work on that together? And maybe I can sketch out the communication part, and you can do the... Oh, great.

But I don't know. I can't remember what I said.

You already did it. That's neat.

I should have this together.

I mean, you did it. You did an awesome, like, side by side. You did a section. Which was great.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was great. You know what it is? Because I've been coming. This may be what you're saying. Right. This is probably what I am. And I shared this, right? Yes, you did. I can't remember what I shared. So everybody knows, and it's reminded for the public. This remains at the forefront for law enforcement across the East End, right? So we talk about this frequently. We have monthly meetings, and it remains. We want to do right by all our citizens, regardless of immigration status. But we also have some obligation to work with our partners, whether they're federal, county, or state, right? So it's that combination of balancing both. But I think that I would say to you, look at this, and you should have it because I'm pretty sure I gave it to you, but I can re-give it to you. But I think it's too long for public consumption. Public consumption is going to want to see like, A quick quickly bullet, but you can.

Take this and then make your second.

And i'll i'll we look at this and and then go from there, but I, I think this kind of spells out what we were talking notification down more public information documentation and the notification flow is all.

Timeline yeah I think very important, you know I think that the notification flow looks great, I think that it would be you know I think that kind of borrowing. From, you know, like, there's like, there's like a notification and then there's like a report, you know what I mean? So there's like. Notifies make it so this is the part, like, may communicate when the town board is appropriate. Like, I think. I think will is important here. What do you want the notification flow on 5 instead of May? I would say will. Can we communicate with the town board? Sorry, I'm on page. I'm on the second page. I'm on this page of your draft. I'm down here. Right? So, like, I think this is great. So becomes known. You, you know, the employee notifies the supervisor supervisor calls the chief chief evaluates and notifies the. The town supervisor now, I mean, the only thing that I would say is appropriate, which I would take that out.

I think that that would be yes. It's not up to the discretion.

And then I could be saddled by legal constraints, depending on nature of it. If they have an arrest warrant, there could be criminal consequences. If it's strictly criminal and it's a nice event, I might not be able to disclose right away.

So as legally permissible.

Yeah, that's right.

Because then it's like, obviously, we don't want to have problems, but we don't want it to be too squishy.

Right. Let's just say, just think about it. It's easy to go from the extremes backwards.

Right.

To immigration enforcement come over because they have a criminal case going on, suspect could be on the island, wanted for a homicide somewhere, and they're not 100% sure. They want to... see what's going on in the community, stake out the house for a couple of days, anything could go on. I'm not, I'm giving an example.

No, I think that that's, that's as legally permissible. Perfect.

That might not be an I it's right. But that's not a nice action at this time. Right.

So, um, and then basically, you know, you're, the chief will communicate with the town supervisor so that is legally permissible and then obviously it's like it's permissible for the supervisor to know then the town board can know right so then we can just take that out as appropriate because there's already some you know so will and then as appropriate and then i would just say there's like the six covers a lot of ground so i think that there could be i would imagine two kind of parts where there's like an initial notification Right. Like that you could say within 24 hours. Right. Of just like the small things that we know. And then maybe a report.

We do like we do press releases all the time. I mean, we and largely they're out within 24 hours.

Perfect.

But that's why it gives me some leeway here.

yeah so I mean I guess so public information would release when consistent with blog privacy protections and operational considerations so I just wonder if we could put some like is there a way that we could restate that just because we know what that means that it goes out within 24 hours but the public might not know you know what I mean like right what that sentence it doesn't right it doesn't what that sentence means so is there a way that we could rephrase it so that like the public would have an understanding.

As soon as possible, consistent with...

Probably means they're usually within. Because that's an important piece to... You know, put away a little rumor, disinformation.

Public information is a tool for us and it's a great tool. So if we have people that are upset and we can get information about who was taken, where they were taken, why were they taken, we want to get that out as quickly as possible just to dispel it. So we, so you know, from me telling you all the time, like we will do our best to get that out, especially in those cases.

A hundred percent.

But I don't like to be pigeonholed.

So, so could we put some language in here? That's like, not binding, but like, usually usually within 24 hours. So then basically people are like, oh, no, but I think I think we, we all know that. But the problem is, is that. Not everyone in the community understands it. And so this is this document is really just to give guidance, give guidance and have people understand.

But again, draft, I think we should definitely look. I know we're doing some of it now, but look at it in greater detail. I'll, I'll re, look at it. Perfect.

So, I mean, that's the only thing that. I like that that part is.

And the seven would be the notification to the task force. The safety task force.

Or the committee, yeah, whatever words we want to use there.

The public safety committee.

I would almost put that before the public information because we'd want to activate the social worker, clergy, whoever. Yeah.

As soon as possible, but we're doing that within our normal operation, depending on, especially the social worker, but I think here's again, I think that.

It's just saying this is just saying what we're doing. Right? So I think we could just we could just outline that.

I just my worry always is rights to privacy. Right? So, when we have. a family member take, and sometimes we may want to get that information, but they might not want that, right? And for protective measures for children, protective measures for other family members, and disclosing that has to be closely monitored within people's rights to privacy.

Well, I don't think that, I mean, I think that...

So I'm just, I want everybody to keep...

would be the information. I don't think you would release any other information.

Here's the other thing I would say in this situation. Let's use this example because it kind of is like a person gets taken, they have a child, right? So I hear you on the rights to privacy. So I think the important thing for the public to know would not be necessarily who that person was if the family wanted privacy. But as I've just seen in our community and other communities, there was one person taken. It happened at this time. You know what I mean? It's even those kind of details. I agree that we should keep privacy as needed and wanted by the family. But I think just even the details of it was one person. It happened in the morning.

I guess where I'm going with this, let me just give you the social worker. We notify that someone was taken. The parent of the person taken doesn't want help from the social worker. What's the social worker going to do with that information? Because that's how we operate. We will say, you have an opportunity. We have a great social worker. She can really help you with this situation. Here's her contact number. We usually don't go the other way where we tell a social worker to call somebody because they have rights to privacy. They might not want to call from the social worker.

I was thinking more it would be the social worker is notified. So that if the person reaches through the family reaches out. There was a heads up this is from a nice.

Yeah, I'm just trying to absolutely services available.

So, and I, so I think that that's great because, you know, they don't know. And so basically making sure that the. whatever resources are available, understand, and then making, and so maybe it's written as, like, making any affected folks aware of the resources available to them, and basically letting the task force or the clergy know that, like, they might, somebody might be reaching out, right? So the choice is, especially, like, in a situation like this, there's you want whoever's left behind to have some, like have agency, like that's super important, but also just to make sure that the community is, or, you know, the folks, those folks in the community are ready to receive them if they need that. And so maybe that's the point of it is just like outlining that, like the folks remaining will be given context to resources and let the clergy, social workers, whatever know, you know, this has happened, you might be receiving a call.

And that the committee would work in confidentiality, just like our social worker works in confidentiality. Right?

Well, I don't think that I don't know that the social, the committee's bound to social work.

It's a different, but that would be when. Yeah, she would go that's confidential. She can't share.

I mean, it could be like, as appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like, okay, you know, there is. uh there's an affected individual you might be receiving a call we've let that you know please let the it could be housing issues whatever it's going to be so that like that's probably the part that means some because we you know another you know like a fire is an easy example we have a fire family's displaced we'll let the social worker know that a family was displaced we gave them your contact information yes exactly

So that's common for us. It's an easy example. You know, we might offer the Lions Club. You're displaced, you need emergency funding, here's a service if you want to do that. And they reach out. That's a perfect example.

It just sounds like it's just more cohesive response. And I think that's what this is all about, about assessing, responding to the needs of our community. That's what we're here for.

And I think also there's so many great things in place already. Just explaining to people what is already happening. That's so much of what this is, is just having folks understand what's already going to happen.

So, I just had a quick question, because I'm looking at the most recent version of the. Proposed legislation, and it says the purpose of this local law. It is the purpose of this local law to facilitate the implementation of chapter 55, which is the new that's at the state level chapter 55 of the laws 2026. Um. It was it was enacted to address potential abuses related to federal immigration enforcement that threatens public safety. So, and then it has chapter 55, and then it has. 66 points that it. States is about, it's what it's about. So then, you know, you go down, you sit and you see, okay, so the purpose of this proposed local law is to facilitate the information of chapter 55. so my question is without the local law, like, is the town not obligated to implement chapter 55? Is that true?

Chapter 55 is a state law, so if it affects police policy, and what I would tell you, and I was going to share with you today, that the governor has already made changes that affect police policy. I don't know if I can stick you with me. We've already implemented like four or five changes. It has to do with facial covering, police ID. There was a section in the 414 section on immigration on warrants. And so because it's state law, we've already adopted those into policy.

So, that's 1 of the things I wanted to know, like, 1 of them is prohibit state, local and federal officers from wearing face cover while in charge. So that's already being.

Yes.

So that's already been so your policy has already changed in response to chat.

That's already in the last 2 weeks.

Okay. Yeah. So, like, that's. That's the piece we didn't see in right and right. And so I just wanted to mention that because. I wanted to, you know, obviously we want, we don't want to have to. We're not reinventing the wheel here, but knowing that part of what the proposed legislation does, I just wanted to make sure that if we do go the police policy way, that everything is still being covered and addressed, that the proposed legislation works.

everything that came out in that legislation was incorporated into alexa policy because they have attorneys at that level that say because of the state law changes you need to make these changes within your policy and we've made those changes outline the policy for you No, no, no. They point you to the section, they explain the law section, and then they tell you where this needs to be implemented within the policy.

And then you inform your police officer.

Then what happens is, no, they not just get informed. They get the new policy. They see the policy old and new side by side. They have to read an initial. They do an electronic acknowledgement that they're aware of this change to the policy. And then it's over.

I wonder if in the guidance document something relates that. I don't know if we should do that or not.

I think it's the only thing. It seems like a lot of the heavy lifting happened at the state level already. Right. And so I think it's a little, I hear what Chief's saying, I think is saying is like, because sometimes that can change at the state level and that's always going to supersede what we have here. It's a little tricky to know how to reference it because then if you reference it and something else happens at the state level, then it's like, you know, I mean, I think maybe you could put in some

language of just like whatever applicable state law you know what i mean and like just be a little bit like point to it but not get into the sections of it but i don't know you know i don't know and i i would say that it's the average person they want to see hey okay what do you have in place like are they really going to go back and reference that state well the the average person that this is going to affect right right but i think like the face coverings for example that's definitely something that people oh if you spell out that oh well just knowing

No, what I mean is just knowing that that's already prohibited at the state level and that it's part of our police policy now.

Right, so it prohibits local law enforcement, meaning us, from wearing face coverings, right? But it doesn't prohibit it at the federal level, right? And that can be confusing.

Well, it says in here prohibits state, local, and federal officers.

That part went to court because the state can't regulate. Anyway. Oh, I see. So the only part that I think it's still in.

It was identification portions of that. Yeah.

There was some of the jammed up in courts because

They can't anyway, but that was law that they are able to ask for identification. Correct?

There's identification changes that we have that forms of identification on us.

Okay.

Do federal agents need to have I don't know what the federal law is on that.

Yeah. So we can't at least have the right to ask for identification.

What's that?

Do police have the right to ask for.

I don't know that they're mandated to provide that.

So we're so limited in what we can do.

But again, going back to anybody impersonating or pretending, it goes a lot deeper than that. So if somebody was impersonating, we're going to play it out further. We're going to know.

So what I hear is shortening this.

For me, I would say that, you know, shortening it. Look, we can put a ton of that. We can make that. 20 pages, you know. I just don't know that that's a good idea. I think that staying to the point is helpful.

No, no, no. I think we're saying the same thing, Chief. So making this more concise.

The other stuff is my own.

The community would be able to understand it.

Yeah, like, he's talked about, like, me, like, the idea of an executive summary, like, an exact, like, a summary, you know, 3 pages, like, let's just have an executive summary attached. Like, this is this, this is the highlights.

Yeah. So just like, and then someone wants to read the whole thing. They can.

But that's the need of it. Okay.

Yeah. Great. Thank you for your consistent policy.

That way it has our guidance and a new section.

Great.

So, basically, it's working on the guidance document.

This is notes to me where I was like, I was like, I think we're all making sure that we are covering all the areas that they are putting forth.

Yeah. And I think he did a great job and. This one he did like a side-by-side.

As far as put like language in our existing policy that says if they come here, you've got to add that, like I have fires, explosions, something like this. These are just other, as a, right. Right. That I have to add some little sections to my own policies.

Seems to me we're not deciding this today.

Let's bring it all together.

So essentially, we're going to wait till our next meeting to decide whether or not. Or to to decide whether or not we're going to go with the legislative or policy only.

Yeah, yeah, but we need this even if we go legislative. We need this because this supports whatever we do legislative point. Yeah, because it may decide we don't need the legislative piece because it's. Covers or we choose not to for other reasons.

I would support going with it because it adequately addresses all of the things that this proposed legislation would otherwise not for any other reason other than that. That's just me. I don't want to do it in response to something, some outside entity. It should be sufficient on its own merit. So, yes. Yeah. Yes.

Maybe we look at November and that's why Gina's idea of, like, as we're developing this look at the legislation, we covered everything. Okay, so then I think we have a direction.

Now we're to the hardest part of the meeting, which is finding the next slide. Yes, you guys. No worries.

Dr. Dolger is coming to the next meeting.

Oh, yeah, we should wait for.

So, yeah, let me just get a tentative date so we can tell him.

Yes, I was going to say, let me pull up his email because I think for the most part, if it's during business hours, I thought he said he was worried, but let me.

I'm not checking. I have like. 5 email addresses.

Yeah, I had to create a new 1 recently for something else. I'm like, okay.

We want to do it before I mean, like, before the end of August. Yeah.

And given future dates and he'll get them onto his calendar. So I think if it's during business hours, these on vacations. It's generally here before every day.

What about the week of the 17th?

I'm not here starting the afternoon of the 19th on until I get back on the 23rd. I'm around on the 17th and 18th.

What does the 17th and 18th look like for everybody? I mean, we have a town board work session Tuesday morning.

You're talking about Monday the 17th or you're looking at that week?

Yeah, well, we can only do Monday or Tuesday that week. So I'm saying what about what is that Monday that the 17th look like or Tuesday in the afternoon look like? Tuesday in the afternoon would be better.

Or Monday in the afternoon.

I can do either. I'm available at

after three on Monday the 17th or after 2.30 on the 18th?

When you say after three, like we could start at three or it'd have to be like 3.30.

Well, I'd be done at 3.30 and actually I'm looking at the afternoon of the 18th. I have a very short window there.

Okay. Yeah, if we start at 330, I have another meeting elsewhere at 5. so we'd have to keep it to an hour.

And actually, I'm just realizing I can't I can't do the afternoon. I have a physical. Unfortunately, when you're still under 18, you start to actually to the doctor. You can't send somebody else.

So the same.

scratch the 17th and 18th can we go after labor day i was going to say yeah because at this point if you're gone yeah then you're gone for a couple of days at the end of august as well and so and i would remind the public with julian like if something happens tomorrow we have some good things in place and we're trying to get that info out to the public and julie did a little piece on it but we're we're in a good place we're not you know without something so we do the week of the 14th

Not until the 16th for me, because I have family and for the wedding still.

Okay. Okay. How about so the 16th through the 18th? What does that look like for anybody? We've been doing that.

We've been meeting in the afternoon. On the 16th, there's an EMS advisory board meeting at 430, just so we'd have to be out of here by 4.

All those times, the 16th, 17th, 18th work for me. I can be flexible. Okay. How about you? I just can't do the morning of the 18th. Well, the 18th, the Health and Wellness Committee meets at 1.30.

Can we follow them?

Uh, yeah, they are scheduled from 1 30 to 2 30 ish.

3 to 3 to 3. Okay. For sure. I mean, we could. Yes. Yeah.

So do you want to do that follow?

Uh, I mean, it makes sense as well. Because we need an hour and I would say at least an hour and a half light.

No, because staff. Um, that can cover and at 430 and I don't want to hold them. No, no, no.

Okay. Okay. So why don't we go to the 17th?

Yeah, I'm open on the 17th now.

Thursday, Thursday.

Thursday, you're going to start the daughter.

I can do 2 PM on the 17th. Great.

So I will re-look at the draft before I send it out to everybody. I'll get with Liz somewhere. We'll work that out.

Yeah.

And then Amanda will send out the minutes and that draft on one. And we'll do a meeting invite. Yes. Once you confirm it, Dr. Velasquez.

Maybe we could sit together, Vicki, and think about a committee.

Who would be, you know, who would be the recommendation of the stakeholders for the public safety committee? Yeah.

Yeah, that would be great.

That would be great. So, Thursday, September 17th at 2. Yeah, I mean, I mentioned it to some people at the last vigil we held, and they were happy to know that the town was, you know, working on it. I did let them know that we had our meeting, and then the meeting had to be rescheduled, and a couple of them had expressed wanting to go to the meeting, but couldn't make it. And I said, well, it's okay, because we didn't meet anyway. It's recorded, so they can... Yes, of course, they can. Yeah. So, but I, unfortunately, I don't have, I haven't gotten a lot of feedback from people 1 way or the other about this. I mean, I did hear from somebody yesterday saying something about Massachusetts. Passing some sort of blanket state law with regards to ice. But, you know, I don't think, you know. Yeah.

All right, cool. All right. Well, thanks, everybody. We'll make a motion to place a meeting.

Yeah. Yeah. No, we're still on. We're still on? Yeah, to end the meeting over there.

Oh, okay.