Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon. I will call this December 3rd, 2025 meeting of the Shauny Planning Commission to order. Could I have roll call, please? All right, roll call. Um, Commissioner Burl, present. All right. Commissioner Johnson, present. Hayes here. Barrett here. Reese here. Porter here. Alexander. All right, we have a quum. Thank you so much. Item number one, consideration of approval of the minutes from the November 5, 2025 regular meeting. Could I have um a motion to approve?

I make a motion to approve the minutes. So moved and a second. Uh discussion, additions, deletions. Okay. All right. Uh we have a motion in a second. Um Porter, yes. Reese, I Barrett, I. Haze, I. Johnson, I. Burl. Yes. All right. Motion passes.

Thank you so much. Item number two, consideration of appointment of a Shaunie Planning Commission board member to serve as a representative to the Shaunie Downtown Revitalization Project Review Committee. Okay. So, who's it going to be? I mean, I'm happy. I could have pet you choose. I'm happy.

So, dear commissioners, I before you made a decision, I would like to give you just brief overview. Uh there were several ordinances um resolution signs in the original revitalization downtown plan. So over the years they were updated and the last one is from 2017. So 2017 is the last year this committee met and right now um it is decided that it resume its functions. So in the documents that I provided you with there is the list of each uh body that needs to supply with participants and I'll read it outright for the public's sake. Shy planning commission county pioneer library system county health department cooper technology center and shy public school. So the meetings are quarterly and um I provided you the last updated plan. The idea is to make decisions and suggestions to the city commission pertaining any activities, developments, improvements in downtown area. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to address them. Any questions?

Yes, Steve. The only um member from the city of Shaune would be from the planning commission. Uh no bar library system. No, I mean the the actual city commission. Yeah. Because you're recommending to city commission. Yes. Is that why? Yeah.

Not a commissioner. that that's a recommendation body to the city commission but they want to expand the participant participate participation uh so people from other or I would say other stakeholders to have chance to be involved in those projects. Yeah, I get that. I was just wondering if there were other boards of commissioners who No, this commission is very very important and I'm saying this seriously. Thank you.

So you need to select one individual. Again, the meetings are quarterly and at this point schedule is not finalized for 2026. Time is not finalized. I've been told it will be during the day. So, you know, your other engagements. So, whoever is um selected needs to be able to go uh for a day meeting. Thank you. Do you have capacity? Do you want to? Yeah. I mean, I would

Yeah, it makes sense. Having the boys at the table from downtown is helpful. I nominate Amanda Johnson. I second.

That's right. She needs another one. So, thank you very much. So, mayor will take that position. Thank you so much. Do you need us to vote on that? Is that a voting item? I don't know. I don't I don't think it is. I I don't think so because it's not a point of public discussion. Yeah, it's a it's a recommendation. Okay.

M. Thank you so much, ma'am. All right. Item number three, public hearing and consideration of a request to reszone the property at 316 North Kimberly Avenue from R1 low density residential to R3 high density residential. Case number RZ05-25. applicant Ethan AOK AOK Properties LLC.

All right. Thank you um for that introduction and welcome to our new planning commissioner. Um as stated, this is a request to reszone the property addressed as 316 North Kimberly Avenue from R1 um which is lowdensity residential to R3 highdensity residential. Um, this property is located on the west side of North North Kimberly Street between East 10th and East 11th. Um, which is just a few blocks west of North Brian and a few blocks south of Highland if you're familiar with that area. Um, it's currently zoned R1 for low density residential with similar zoning surrounding it on all sides, north, south, east, and west. Um the owner and applicant are requesting a reszoning to R3 highdensity residential to develop multif family housing. The comprehensive plan future land use map was developed with the comprehensive plan um that was created in 2019 and is used to project desired uses based on demographic trends and economic patterns. Um the future land use map projects low density f uh residential um low yeah low density residential uses um in this area. The design the desired zoning district R3 is designed for multif family uses um and to serve as a transition or buffer area between medium density residential and um commercial areas. Um the desired zoning district encourages multif family uses um and is designed to accommodate a higher intensity use than say an R1 district. Um let's see. Are there any questions for staff?

Any questions? Okay, at this time I will open the public hearing. If you would like to speak for or uh against this mo this uh item, please uh come forward, tell us your name, write down your contact information, and we'd be happy to hear you out. So, I will declare this public hearing open. Would anyone like to speak on this? Going once, going twice. I will declare this public hearing closed. Thank you. And um ask for a motion. Do I guess I probably should have asked this while you while staff was still up, but do we know their intended use duplexes or is it they're trying to truly

So looking at the it just says a multif family. Yeah. I mean there's no um I think if they were going duplexes they could go R2 because R3 so we ran into this last month. One of the one of the reasons to go from R2 to R3 is not for high density more uh uh doors. It's because of the area of land that is required because there is a maximum number of units per square footage of property per acre per per acre. Uh and so uh that may be the reason if there because these are I mean this is a this is a small lot. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it's a

it's kind of tucked off tucked off into there that, you know, that area. So, I'm I'm not Yeah, I looked at it on the satellite. My guess is it's a square footage issue. The reason they're going to R3 instead of R2. I'm not going to speak to it either way, but that would be my impression based on what we dealt with last month. So, could the area even handle more? It's a pretty old area. What about the infrastructure? There are some new houses not too far away. Um those ones um off of Sequoia. Um I'm talking utility infrastructure.

Oh, utility. I was also suggesting in terms of uh traffic traffic capabilities, parking capabilities uh because this is low density area and it has neighborhood streets and R1 allows for duplexes and triplexes for single family duplexes and I believe triplexes. Triplex is conditional. Yeah. Yeah. R2 is permitted up to a forplex and then R3 allows for duplexes, triplexes, plexes, quadplexes, and

a purchase. Without any without any information, we'll just vote however we I'd like to make a motion that we deny the request. I'll second. All right, we have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. All right, one moment. Okay. Roll call. Alexander. Hi. Porter. Hi. Reese. Hi. Barrett. Nay. Okay. Hayes. I. Johnson.

Thank you very much. Okay. What? Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm thinking I'm gonna go nay on this one, too. Okay. I'm so sorry. All right, reel me back in. The the motion is to deny the zoning. All right. Thank you very much. I would Good lord. I'm so sorry. Commissioner Burl. Yes. I I Okay. Thank you. Motion passes. Problem solved. He's in a hurry. He said she's ready. Okay. I'm going to take a deep breath and relax. Okay. So, I apologize. Are we done? Yes.

All right. I thank you so much. All right. Item number four, uh, public hearing and consideration of a request to reszone a portion of the property addressed at 3901 North Kickoo Street from R3 Highdensity Residential to C2 Regional Commercial. Case number RZ06-25 applicant Paul Bass and Landes Engineering.

Thank you. Um, as stated, this is a request to reszone a portion of the property, um, which is located at the northeast corner of North Kapu Street and 39th Street. Um, the property is currently zoned R3 for High Density Residential with similar zoning to the east. Um, that is a current um, that's a residential development. I believe it's um multif family. Um and to the east, the north, and the south is all zoned um C2, which is the desired zoning. Um the the map provided shows a faint outline of a a few buildings there. Those buildings are no longer there. Um they were destroyed in a tornado that came through in 2022.

Um 23. 23. Are you sure? Yeah, this one. Okay, never mind then. Sorry, got my numbers mixed up. Little senior who will attest to that.

Uh, okay. Um, the the end goal is to be able to rebuild those buildings and sell them to um a commercial business of some sort. Um the owner and applicant have submitted a preliminary and final repl for this area which is scheduled for the next regular meeting which is January. Um the future land use map um projects highintensity commercial uses for this area um specifically um along the frontage of North Kickoo Street as a commercial corridor. Um are there any questions for staff? Is this the map that's provided by Landies and going to be the

No, I believe that's a survey or um the current draft of the ref. But is track one what they're speaking of? Yeah, track one is what they're proposing to rezone, which is um the section of property that has frontage off of Kikapoo. No. Okay. But they're talking about just this part. Yeah, this has all the other town homes. Yeah. And this has current homes on it. Yeah,

I have questions, but I'm not quite sure. I just feel like I need more information about what's intended and what's like is the applicant also going to be building them? Um, I believe building permits will have to wait until the reflot is finished, right? Um, but is it their intent to also develop build the buildings? Yes. Yes. Their intent is to um put the two buildings back where they were before the tornado on to rebuild those. Um, commercial.

Yeah. As commercial, not as not as Okay. And I'm sorry if this is going to offend anybody, but are there going to be any are they thought to be more of those soulless uh strips? Um I'm not sure. Not to my knowledge. Um from what I understand, it's meant for one business to occupy a single building. Um but I don't know if that intent has changed. Um, so I think it's saying it's just being a building it to resell. So they might not even know, right? And trying to see if the applicant is here to see. Our experience has been that

we've approved reszoning and then properties get sold and then different things happen to them than what we thought were going to be happening to them. So I'm a little I mean that that's part of it. We're approving the zoning, not what's going there. Correct. Right. I will back up what you're saying though. Sometimes we've approved stuff that's had some caveats to it like like traffic and and storm water flow and then the things that get come back to us don't meet those things either. And so I I agree with what Steve's saying that um it's not as simple as what it seems.

Right. Right. And um there is always the option to recommend approval with conditions and um of course whenever they come in for building permits, they're going to have to comply with city standard. Um but if there were any additional conditions that the planning commission would like to recommend, that's also an option. I guess we could go to the hearing. Are there any other questions for the process down the road? Yeah. Thank you. One one thing I I would how much so every time we buy into R3

and we have other other zoning re reszoning wanting R3 to occur. How much R3 do we have uh as in terms of if you look at our PL at our at our zoning citywide how much R3 do we have? Gosh, I wouldn't know. Not off the top of my head. I need to look the map. I cannot tell a percentage on top of my head.

It would be nice to see maybe some something that shows because we we we we we get reszonings to to go from R1 to R3 and that creates problems. But then we also get R3 being taken out for various reasons to go to commercial. But then there's always this discussion about how we need multif family housing. And so it's it's a uh if we're losing that, it seems to be going against what our needs are. I I would say if you feel you need additional information, uh this can be tabled and moved to the next meeting.

Yes, there is always the option to table this for further discussion or information. Um but the the current amount of R3 within city limits um might um we're currently they are currently contracted with a consulting group to do a housing study for the city. So they might have that information but we would have to check with them. I mean I think another consideration is does housing on our commercial corridor make sense? Well, that's yeah, that's another consideration too, especially as we've changed

in the last 20 years that kick north of MacArthur has shifted from I mean since since 88 it's been a slow progression from residential to commercial. You're looking at this map that we were provided. All of this red is commercial. Well, as it sits right now, you don't know what portion. It just says a portion of it. Well, yeah, it's the yellow. It's the It's the box of where's town houses sent, right? But I'm just saying it's not in that description there. I mean, only until you get back over to the planning does it say this one acre track. So that's why I'm asking this whole this whole piece is theirs,

just the yellow boxes, the pieces. I if you look at it on an arrow view, there's a that circle that that horseshoe that's that's coming from the south there to the to the to the east of that I believe is that right there. And so it's it's this cut off section right here is what it is. It's with actual friends if that's what we're talking about. Track one. Yes. Yeah. And that section um is also outlined in yellow in your packets. Yeah. I think so. Okay. So, the remaining four acres would stay R3 into your question of how much

because those those town houses are still standing people um people still live there. And you know, to the point about it being a a business corridor, you know, one of the things we worry about with that is traffic and and runoff. You get the same thing with R3. I mean, it's that you're you're having the same issues. a lot of people coming into that area trying to use the current infrastructure. So, I mean, the point's well taken. I I think my request on that though is, you know, I would assume that R3 is not a major part of our plan

and so it would be nice to see what that looks like and how the distribution is across the city. I know those are available to us, but if I would say to um even though the survey is still open on the housing study, um I would refrain to give percentage because I'm not sure but the large majority uh housing available or single family. Yeah, the I know that single family R1 is the majority of the three h um residential districts. Um, but I don't know by how much.

Yeah. And I think it would be what's the percentage if you look at commercial and then R3 because they often want to take the same areas, the frontage areas, areas that aren't currently developed, especially in this town with things being agricultural agriculture currently and moving over. So, but I'm I'm okay going to the hearing though as well. I just I think those were some questions I had since we haven't been actually through a hearing yet on this. Are there any other questions for staff? Any other questions? Not at this time. Thank you. Okay. So, are we going to call for a motion? Are we going to take

public hearing? Okay. That's where we are. I just Thank you for keeping me in the in the group here. Okay. So, at this point, I will open up the public hearing. If you would like to speak for or against this, please come forward. Tell us who you are. Write down your contact information. That was a no. With no takers, I will uh close this public hearing and uh I will call for a motion. Make a motion to recommend approval of this item. I'll second.

All right, we have a motion and a second. Um Alexander, hi Carter. Hi Reese. Hi Barrett. Hi Hayes. Hi Johnson. Hi Carl. Hi. All right. Motion passes. Didn't jump the gun back up. Thank you very much. All right. Item number five, public hearing and consideration of a request to reszone the property addressed at 1301 East Independent Street from R1 Low Density Residential to C1 Local Commercial case number RZ07-25. Applicant Kenneth and Terry Gober Aspire Equity Holdings LLC.

Thank you. As stated, this is a request to reszone the property addressed as 1301 East Independence. It's located on the southwest corner of the intersection of Thompson Drive and East Independent Street, um which is a few blocks east of um North Center Avenue. Um property is currently zoned R1 low density residential with similar zoning uh surrounding it on all sides. Um, let's see. The owner and applicant are requesting to reszone to C1 local commercial to turn the existing building, which was formerly a church, um, into a, um, virtual video gaming studio. Um, the comprehensive plan, future land use map, um, recommends low density residential uses for this area. The desired zoning district C1 is designed for smallcale neighborhood offices, lowintensity retail, farm and service businesses such as restaurants, um, convenience stores or to serve as a public space. Um C1 is designed to be a transition transition transitional or buffer district um between higher intensity commercial areas like C2 and other residential areas. Um let's see. Are there any questions for staff? Any questions?

Within the C1, it won't restrict what's future in that area, right? Yeah. C1 has a smaller list of allowed commercial uses um than say C2. C2 has is more versatile. Um so there's there's a smaller list of uses that are allowed in that zoning district. Um but the allowed uses would fundamentally shift from residential to commercial. Well, it's one block from elementary school. Well, I mean, you're still going to have to like it would have to be approved based on the

Right. But once a building gets in there, my concern is being that close to elementary future use. So, so it's an existing building, correct? It's a church. Yeah. I walk by it four days a week. So uh

C1 is personal services, business support service, financial institution, um restaurant, convenience store, retail store, service station, um bed and breakfast. Uh, I mean things like a nightclub and stuff like that don't qualify in this zoning, but I mean if it's a and the intended kennel event just and the and it's a a video game.

Mhm. the from how it was described to me, the intended use is um one where you would say make an appointment to come in and use like the the VR headset game or something of that nature.

And you received no feedback from the I have not received any objections or things like that. Okay. Maybe today Any other questions? The staff did recommend denial. Yes, staff has recommended denial due to it being considered spot zoning with the lack of similar zoning in the area. And the church does not require special zoning. Right.

The church was pre-existing. Um the it's considered legally non-conforming and that it's um existed for longer than our current development code. Um, and religious land uses are allowed in a larger variety of zoning districts. So, I believe in R3, a church, it's conditional in R. Yeah, I believe it would require a conditional use permit if someone were to want to establish a new one. Got it. Thank you.

It I have one question. I'm sorry. Would would this existing business qualify or or would it would it work under a conditional use permit? Is that one

the desired use is it's it's hard to classify with our current development code. Um but the the intensity of use and say the amount of traffic it's expected to generate um would place it somewhere between like an office and like a hair salon or something like that which does fall within the purview of C1 zoning. Um so if we uh condition this under commercial amusement it's require just a permit.

Okay. And in that C1 zoning. Yeah. So moving them to C1 doesn't even doesn't resolve the problem. We still have to go to a a conditional use permit. No. No. But in But in R1, they could have a condition. If they if we leave at R1, could they then apply for a permit? Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry. Okay. I don't believe so. No. No, I don't believe so. Okay. R1 will not um allow for this type of use. Okay. Any other questions?

Jack, you said you walked over there all the time. There are multiple buildings just down the street that are empty. Would they be better suited for that that are already just down the street? You mean west? Yes. I'm trying to think of what those are. Like one is across the street from police station. One is a former smoke shop. Yeah. I mean there's several things in a strip center right next to that with open occupancy. Yeah. That's just saying I don't with their denial recommendation. I don't see a positive for putting it there. Okay. So, uh, are there any other questions for staff?

For staff.

All right. Thank you so much. Okay. At this time, I will open the public hearing. If you would like to speak for or against this item, please come forward, tell us who you are, write down your name, and we would be happy to hear what you had to say. Yes, sir. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh my name is Sammy Etchan. I am the managing member of Aspire Equity Holdings. Uh we were uh provided authorization on behalf of the current property owner to proceed with the zoning reszoning on this property. Uh so we've been in communication with the church. Um obviously the church has struggled um to the point now where they need to get rid of the facility. Um the church is kind of a unique building. It doesn't it doesn't have a full kitchen, doesn't have full bathrooms. Uh and so it it really doesn't have a lot of other potential uses under the R1 designation. Meaning like you couldn't just turn it into a home. Uh which was initially my my thought. Uh but but that's not really a viable potential option without some significant investment to really redo a lot of of the existing the existing building. Uh and so what we're proposing and I apologize Diane maybe I misunderstood. I I thought this was being recommended for approval. The reasoning was being recommended by staff for approval. It sounds like it maybe is being denied the request. Is that correct? staff makes recommendations um but ultimately um planning commission can make their own deliberation. Gotcha.

So it's okay. I just wanted to make sure. And again, the planning commission are recommended by to city commission. So whatever decision they make, it will be recommended. The full city commission. Understood. Understood. For sure. Um anyway, I'd be happy to answer questions if anybody had any. Any plans to improve the parking lot or anything like that?

Um no immediate plans to improve the parking lot. Um, as as Dian mentioned, we really don't expect to have a significant amount of traffic. I mean, I would say even less than what the church currently experiences on a regular uh Sunday or Wednesday evening service. Um, it's going to be appointment only. Very limited amount of space inside. I mean, the facility is not a big it's not a big building. Uh, it's currently listed at about 1,600 square ft. So, I mean, you really can't fit that many people inside. Maximum occupancy according to the listed um occupancy inside the building is 150 people. I don't know how you'd fit 150 people in there. I'd be shocked if I ever have more than 15 or 20 people in there max at a given time just just based upon the space and the requirements that we have for the facility there. So then

uh correct would be okay. Do you all operate a similar operation somewhere else?

We do not. So we live here in Shaune. we live uh not far from the from the property and just wanted something nearby. Uh this fit the bill um would be sort of consistent with I know you guys have a a C1 designation surrounded by some R1 properties just down the road on Independence. Um I was just looking at earlier actually Independence and Beer. Um it's away from Kikapoo and Independence where the main strip of commercial businesses operates. Um so just a few blocks in the other direction surrounded by a lot of uh residential. We approved something similar there. And based on again just the the load of people that we expect to come in and out of there, we didn't think it seemed unreasonable to make the request to reszone for this question.

Is there any plan for outside gaming or is it all inside? Sorry. Any out is there plans for outside gaming or is it all inside? Oh, no. Correct. It would all be indoors. Okay. Is there anything on a on the C1 that ups the level of nuisance noise or anything uh in a residential area? Um I believe the nuisance um ordinances are consistent across all

across all zoning. Okay. Thank you. If we pass this and it his business doesn't happen to make it, what's the outcomes? What I'm, you know, wondering. It stays C1. It stays C1. There's no conditional fallback. Is there is there something particular under the C1 uh zoning designation that commissioners would be concerned about?

Just what ends up in there with a block to the screen? I can tell you some of the uses that are allowed with a permit under C1. Um, life care retirement center, cemetery, uh, kennel, veterinary, assembly hall, broadcast or recording studio, business support services, personal services, financial institution, hotel, uh, no, bed and breakfast, artist studio, professional office, medical office, restaurant, food preparation and sales. uh convenience store, retail store. This is all allowed with a permit under C1.

Okay. Any other questions? No. Medical marijuana. Um life personal. Medical marijuana is allowed. No, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. That's you too. My mistake. My mistake. I was going to say I'd be willing to commit to you guys that I would never sell to someone that would operate this and I'd put a deed restriction if that would make the commissioners happy. Like that doesn't line up with my moral convictions as well. So, child care center, uh, part-time childc care program, government services, library, postal service, safety service.

So, all right. Anything else, sir? Any other questions? Unless there questions. Okay. All right. So, okay. My name is Steve. Come in. No, no problem. Thank you so much. I live across the street. My question is is like if it's by appointment only, how often are your appointments? Uh that potentially be available hours a day. 24 hours a day.

Yeah. So, think when I talk about a single I think as a golf simulator specifically. So, it's just whatever availability people have to come in there and use the very limited amount of bays that would be available there which again because of the space is not going to be many. I'm thinking two to three maybe tops is about all I can fit in there. Be more like almost like driving range practice simulated golf course. I mean, it's a bay with a projector that they hit into a screen. So, I mean, you're not talking about significant noise either. I mean, it's not like they're hitting a wall or beating on something if screen falls on the ground, rolls back to them.

So, are you doing golf simulator or VR or what's your target audience? Yeah, correct. So, uh we were we were they in the application, but it definitely would be a golf simulator. And so you're going to be open 24 hours appointment only. Yeah.

Now my other thing is traffic. Traffic there backs up every day for the school. First thing in the morning, later in the evening, I have a hard time. I pack a trailer into my driveway. I already have a hard time going through. So with the traffic being there, you're bringing in more people. What what's that going to do for our traffic? And we're a pretty quiet neighborhood. So you got to get young kids coming in there to go golf and come out and they're in the cars making a lot of noise. you know, 10 11:00 at night, you know, that's where you bring you bring that in and then we have instance where now the police are always involved in that area and everything's going on over here. It's like that just it seems like a headache to me for that to come into a quiet residential neighborhood. I just wanted to speak my piece and

yeah, I mean the alternative is you have a building that really doesn't have any permitted permitted uses as it's currently as it currently sits and it's going to just remain abandoned. And I mean that my experience abandoned buildings that don't have any use tend to lend themselves to far more nefarious activities as opposed to something like what I was suggesting today. I mean, it it's still a church, correct? It is currently a church, right? It's still currently church. And they recently, how long ago did they buy it as a church? Didn't it recently turn over in the past few years? Two years. Two years ago. So, who say another church won't come in and still use that building?

Yeah. I'd say it's possible. Um, yeah. I mean, certainly past experiences of And then if you sell again, that's another concern. What What else comes in?

Well, okay. I'm going to let let's uh let's Is there anyone else that would like to speak? Yes, sir. Come ahead. If you would tell us who you are, write your name and number down, please. My name is Jeff Eaton, and I live directly across the street. And I know Sammy, I go to church with Sammy, but my concern is if similar to his, the late hours of it, and uh if his business fails, I don't really want to smoke shop across the street from my house, too close to the school and little kids up and down that street every day. And that's my big concern is what happens if his fails if it can then be open to anything and everything to go in there. So I agree if y'all let him do this, something needs to be put in place that would prohibit that kind of shop going in there. That would be questionable for kids to be roaming in front of it every day, walking to and from school.

Is a smoke shop in C1? No, she said it's in C2. Well, that's not an issue. So those aren't an issue. Yeah. So that's not a that's not for a smoke shop but future use that would be something different. She said convenience another convenience store because we already had one

convenience store I can read. I guess it's kind of long list. So either cemetery, kennel, veterinary, assembly hall, broadcast, recording studio, uh business support services, personal services, financial institution, bed and breakfast, art studio, professional office, medical office, restaurant, food preparation and sales, convenience store, retail store, uh service station, craft manufacturing, Uh child care center uh part D uh child care center, government services, library, museum, cultural exhibits, postal services, safety services, uh wireless communication facility, building for tower, mounted antennas, civic club or launch, community center, health club, park and wreck, community garden, Um, and that's it.

Well, that was all I had. It's just that I didn't worry about what we going next cuz the noise would be the other thing for me cuz we live on that street directly right across the street and we don't like the noise after 10:00. So, you know, that kind of thing. But I do believe in Sam. Probably a good idea if we could just limit the hours. Thank you. Would anyone else like to speak? Hi, I'm Crystal Walk. Apparently, these are my neighbors. We uh I live Write your contact information.

Okay. I live um almost directly across from the school. I'm the crosswalk goes into my front yard. And my concern is I I don't have children at the school anymore. My kids are grown. But I see all the neighborhood children cross the street and walk down that side of the street. The traffic is backed up for blocks and blocks and blocks at the beginning and the end of the school day. And that's a lot of children. So, I'm concerned about the additional traffic and noise, but just mostly the traffic. Um, I've lived I've I've owned that home for over 30 years and lived there for most of the time. Um, and I've seen the change of the the lanes to going from a middle turn lane to having two lanes on the school side, which is the same side as the church, um, to accommodate all that extra traffic that we have now. So that's my main concern is the children and the traffic.

Thank you very much. But I probably would come to your thing someplace else. That would sounds like fun. Would anyone else like to speak?

I'm Jessica Yonas. I live across the street as well. Um, obviously, yes, I'm concerned of a business like this going in across the street. Um, especially the stimulations. I've gone to them myself. Um, I have children as well and, um, we find that fun, but also those places serve alcohol, so I do not know if the C1 at Wakana, they have the sports simulations up there, and they have a bar that you can serve and drink from while you're doing those sports simulations. So, that would be a concern, too, is if this becomes a gaming where there are teenagers or young adults gathering at 11:00 at night and they've had a few drinks while they're hitting a few rounds of golf and then they're coming out and leaving. It's I'm asleep. It will be noisy. I'm right across from it. Um, so obviously, no. I do not want this to be approved.

Thank you. Would anyone else like to speak?

I'm I apologize. Would anyone know anyone else like to speak in favor of this item? In favor of it. Yes, please. Please come forward. But I have a vested interest. I currently own property. Yes, sir. Tell us your name. I'm sorry. I'm uh Kenneth Grover spots and on the uh you can write the margin, sir. Does your your name and phone number be just fine?

We just had it signed with contingency and this the only stipulation thing I knew about the usage of the propert was what was on the uh the posting is what just like the neighbors do. And I didn't know what a gaming uh uh studio was, you know, what the gaming studio is. I do know that, you know, the building has been there for as long as I've been around Sha and I was born here and I'm 7 years old. So quite a old building, you know, but still a well cared for building. You that go by know that this was the former Church of Christ building for years and years. We purchased it a couple years ago with the intent of a Bible study and then that developed into a small group for a period of time that would worship on Sunday morning but primarily a Bible study and situations have changed in our in our situation and uh not as many are coming and we thought it'd be better usage some other way for you know uh that law. not heard about the businesses varying places down by the school and there is a CPA office there just across the street from the schools you're aware of and three blocks to the west is the quick stop and then there's the medical marijuana just real close by and uh the highrise and and then down the multiple housing down by the way school so it's already got a lot of traffic my view of it is it's got to be used for something and it's certainly not something that I think a house is going to be built there. So, u very nice piece of property and there's very little u entertainment opportunities for the young people. I can see that if it were run correctly, there have been several verified that he's a standup type of a

guy that uh it might be something to be used to the young people there and I was kind of concerned myself and wondering why it be a 24-hour deal, you know. Uh and then your concerns of further use should this uh should this not uh work out? You know, all those things are reasonable. But my question is what are you going to do with it? What are you going to do with it? can sit there as an empty lot and and bulldoze it down. Am I going to carry forward the next 20 years or whatever till I'm out of the picture and and I assume that's what the planning commission's for to make a plan. And uh what uh what what would you recommend if you were in my shoes or in someone else's uh it's an easily converted building. It's got two bathrooms and they're not full baths, but what you would expect in a worship place that's been there for years, a baptistry in front and so forth. I'm sure he's going to be modeled for usage like he wants. It would seem that to me reasonable that there would be some kind of contingency along those lines to satisfy the concerns of the neighborhood and also to uh to give the opportunity for something new and unique and as one neighbor said I'd like to go to it too. I've never done anything like that myself. Maybe I want to get an appointment and you may as well but some reasonable place to agree on that and if you could even put some kind of contingency should it's very go back to or wrong or whatever you know I guess you could do that thing but uh my point is is I have a contract on the property with this gentleman and his company. I have not met him. We not talked. I talked to my realer and it's contingent upon an approval of uh of change to C1 the sale is. If it doesn't do that, I sure I'm open to some recommendations by neighbors and others what we should do with that property. So that's that's what I have I'm advocating for, of course.

How long have you owned the building? You sorry. How long have you owned? About a couple of years. Okay. Uh I don't have the exact date and I should have if I was going to speak, but that's a that's a good guess on that particular property. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. Anyone else? All right. I will close the public hearing and um we're pointing to this board for our opinions. Right. All right. So across the street is a derelict um uh nursing home. Nursing home. Yes.

That's closed. Uh the former dance studio now CPA office is there. Is the nursing home that one that has all those buildings behind it on the east side? No, that's uh like residential. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That they were once 25 years ago. I think part of the same thing, but

Right. Um, I would really hate to see uh another building fall by the wayside in this town. Um, uh, for for whatever reasons, um, uh, worship space is not being rapidly occupied these days. Church families are not growing in all places. So, the likelihood of a of a thriving church community going back into admittedly a very very small building are somewhat unlikely. What is more likely to happen is that he'll is that Mr. Gber will do his best to maintain it and it'll sit there empty. Uh uh so um uh and also um C1 is limited. I mean it's very limited that

can we limit the hours on it to address their concern that that's not our that's not our business but we we as a city have an ordinance that is there are nuance or nuisance and things like that those people would need to come too when they they call police yeah and and and and there I mean things happen it really does and I mean the thing is is that central disposal can't create a nuisance with traffic noise or anything else. So, so I mean there's no special area. Um, as far as R1 is concerned, I mean, Independence is one of the busiest streets in town.

Um, so if you can hear somebody at a golf simulator over the traffic that runs up and down Independence Street at all hours of the night, cuz I live two blocks away, so I'm I'm very familiar when it what it goes. And I walk by about four days a week. So, um I mean I if if if for a limited commercial use I don't see any reasonable other I don't see any reasonable use for these. I mean what are we going to do with these buildings? We're faced with the exact same thing downtown. Nobody wants nobody wants this or that. Yeah.

So then the building rots and then falls down and then there's adverse possession and you bulldoze and then the county owns it. want to address your concern in C1 we're not allowing nightclubs or there's no alcohol allowed one of them I mean is a billion dollar development alcohol sales is different from zoning and and alcohol sales is completely different so I distance between he should be saying no there there's no need so um I mean my my my personal thing is is we need to we are the ones to take action

to it. It it whether or not it's spot zoning, I realize that's not a great thing, but um you think about and as far as the concerns of of the public, I I you know, I live in that I live just outside that neighborhood. I'm I'm not immune to that, but the thing is is that there's C1 all around that place. There's C1 up and down that street. And um uh you know, so you know, that's that's my neighborhood, too. So, I would uh uh I would I would take note. So, um if anyone else doesn't have anything, are we ready to call for a motion?

Make a motion to recommend approval of C1 for this item. All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? A second. All right, we have a motion and a second. We shall now vote. Alexander, I. Porter I Reese nay Barrett I Hayes I Johnson I Burl I motion passes.

Thank you so much and thank you all for being here. It means a lot for you all to use us. I mean we've sat here by ourselves many times. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you very much. And remember that this is also um uh uh uh uh considered by the full city commission. So at the next at the next meeting and they have a hearing there where people can come and express their concern and there is there is a public hearing in that as well. So I highly encourage you to get involved in in that process. Uh I don't hear will I'm sorry sir. I don't hear will I I'm sorry. Uh this issue will be revisited by the full city commission. Okay. That's what I

uh and there is a public hearing there for anyone that would like to say something that the motion was to approve the item and the motion was to approve and it did pass. Okay, that's what I was Yes, sir. But uh and uh like I said that uh this uh uh this item will go before the full city commission at the next meeting and that's where it gets final and that's where it gets final approval. Yes, ma'am. Do we have a date for the next meeting? December 15th. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Okay, so I think we're on to item number six, community development department updates.

Dear commissioners, I have just one update for you. Um we realize that walking audits bring a wealth of information and are very eyeopening for different projects that the city has done. Uh for example, we're currently doing them for safe streets for all and we're collecting uh all kind of information in terms of safety, lightening, uh desiraability and other categories. So we realize as a community development department that we would like to make this a practice uh with priority areas of course school areas or the high priorities because there is a lot of people that walk around schools. So so far we've done two work audits around Jefferson school and the high school and we'll continue on. So um we're planning to develop a schedule one work audit per month starting 2026 and um because it's hard to predict the weather for example um we arranged walk audit for this past Monday 6 weeks in advance and we didn't know it will be that cold it will be that icy so we couldn't reschedu so we realized Maybe we can pinpoint the week and days of we're coming closer, we can select the date where we can do the walk audits. But um we'll I'll start personally sending invitations and I would like some of you to participate. Uh we'll invite other stakeholders. Uh we'll invite city commissioners. uh I hope at one point maybe city

management can be involved but this is very eye openening because uh driving around it's not the same like walking the area for example um Monday walk on it there's a sidewalk and driving by say oh yeah there's a side uh sidewalk people can walk oh no there were tracks park over the sidewalk and until I personally walk over They said, "So I need to go on the steep slope close to the street walking on the grass to surround these trucks because they park over." So this is just one example but um I would like to encourage you to start participating and respond to the invitations for the walk audits because uh again um schools school are school zones are top priority for us and um the results from this work audits of course produce projects improvements in areas that otherwise it may stay overlooked. Because people say yeah there is a sidewalk people can walk until sidewalk stop nowhere there is a grass and few hundred yards later the sidewalk continue or maybe there is not enough lighting stuff like that so any questions for me

I would just add to that the having that data opens up funding opportunities for our community too absolutely yeah uh once we collect the data we have we may produce strong applications for um alternative fundings for the city alternative funding to poor sidewalks and make our neighborhoods

um not just sidewalks but for example um widening improvements or maybe places to park. For example, Jefferson Park is a beautiful park in the middle of a neighborhood and being out out there, you just wonder, okay, where to park, how to walk. It's really very confusing. There is a roundabout approach in high school that people weren't sure how to use. There was no signage. maybe signage uh maybe flashing light reflectors because some work audits are purposely done in the evening when it's getting dark because it gives totally different perspective. So it's not just sidewalks uh maybe landscape improvement stuff like that. Thank you.

Thank you. Item number seven, commissioner comments. Start with me. Um, I want to mention the uh, Gingerbread Village. If you haven't been out there, it's an OBU. Um, this is the third year I believe Habitat for Humanity has done it. It's a fundraiser for their organization. U, but it's a free event. You can just drive through the oval at OBU and check out all the houses and hopefully it keeps growing every year. I know there's other events happening in Shaunie, too, for the holidays. Um, so I'm happy to see that. Um, people are staying local and doing things local. Um, I appreciate small businesses coming with ideas to stay in our community and, um, you know, fill buildings that need to be filled. So, that's all I got.

Um, two things, the Shauny the Shauny Mission and the Salvation Army both. um because of funding lapses have are not being one one thing is they they need funding for various things like like providing housing support with the Salvation Army. But I think even a more immediate need uh that that people in the community can provide. If you look at their their monthly calendars, they're filling about half of the slots for meals right now. And it used to be that things were completely full. Now, why that's happened, I think a lot of it has to do with the cost of goods, but there's if you know anybody that's looking for an opportunity to serve, uh both of those organizations are are are good places to do that. Um the other thing I wanted to mention is we are nearing uh the winter season where it's going to get really really cold, not just during the evening, but during the day as well, and there'll be several warming centers opened. Um, if you if you want to help support something as well, that's something to support. Keep your eye out on places like Facebook or Instagram. Um, those will be be advertised at that point. Um, and also there are several closing places around around the city. U, the Wesley United Methodist Church, I think you guys have one church, Episcopal Church,

a closed closet. The mission does as well. Um, C3 Church has one. You guys, I think have a clothing somewhat of one down. Not enough to not remarkable.

Keep in mind that it's not just clothes, but coats and blankets right now and and and scarves and hats. It's and gloves and things like that are needed and often times that's the one thing that's missing the most. So, I just wanted to put that out there. Um, if you know somebody who wants to volunteer, people need volunteers. I'm good. I had my little soap box earlier. So, uh again, I would like to thank all of you for being here and participating. Thank you very much. We It means a lot and it's leg it's it's a it's a legal requirement, but uh we're happy to have you here and thank you again. I don't have anything

I was just going to add on to what Travis mentioned. Uh there's a lot of stuff going on downtown over the next few weeks. um the winter wonderland over at the depot. Um Shauny Outlook has like a a bingo type thing they're doing for downtown businesses on December the 13th and then the Christmas parade on the 12th. So, a lot of opportunities to do things right here downtown. Well, I just want to say thank you for having me and welcome sir. Welcome. Thank you. Do we have a choice? Wow. I was kidding. I understand why manufacturing outrage I have. Nobody has a choice of any of those.

Okay. Anyone else? Thank you so much ladies. Thank you and thank you all. Thank you folks.